10 Dumbest Changes Made To Iconic Comic Characters

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[@joshuaingobo1559]

How about Power Girl becoming an Atlantean after Crisis On Infinite Earths, Black Canary having her mother’s memories implanted inside her, Wonder Woman just starting out as a hero after Crisis On Infinite Earths, etc.

[@shadizersilverhand2113]

Things with the second Black Canary is definitely cringy, you've a daughter with all her mother's memories meaning she has all the wrong kinds of memories and feelings about her father. Even for back then it's baffling how they failed to consider those things at the time.

[@newageBoundhippie]

teenage Tony Stark Jubilee not being a mutant then becoming a vampire....WTF Wolverine's backstory suddenly including "ate his own flesh to survive at one point". just...WHY? unparalyzing Barbara Gordon so she can be Batgirl again Beast's appearance going from that lovable and iconic look to...a cat man.

[@shadizersilverhand2113]

With the traitor Iron Man first, then quickly killing off teenage Tony by having Franklin Richards rewrite him into being the adult Tony.

[@MrOrcshaman]

Glad I'm not the only one who hated beasts cat appearance

[@pjsniper436]

Nothing wrong with Wolverine eating his own flesh to survive given he has a healing factor........man's got to eat I agree about beasts cat form though.

[@BenjaMan64]

I think that Barbara is Oracle again in the comics. Awesome.

[@silverknightgundam1196]

i liked that Jubilee story, but im a little biased given the fact that i like vampires

[@mercuryvincent6796]

Spider-Man being cloned then the clone was the original then the clone WAS the clone and and and ...

[@aggressiveattitudeera887]

Say what you want about The Clone Saga, it was a billion times better than "One More Day".

[@mercuryvincent6796]

@@aggressiveattitudeera887 i actually loved the clone saga. Gave birth to my favorite Spider-Man, Scarlet Spider. Just the backtracking was confusing.

[@shadizersilverhand2113]

@@aggressiveattitudeera887 oh that is sooooo true! OMD is certainly the worst thing ever for Spider-man and comics in general and it spawned so many other awful storylines as a result.

[@Artistofprocedure]

@@aggressiveattitudeera887 we uh we don't talk about that thing

[@goldenstatewarriors9418]

@@aggressiveattitudeera887 That thing is on par with Avengers #200.

[@jasonjack7606]

I enjoyed Penance. For a long time, we didn’t know for sure who he was. His powers were different than Speedball’s, and his name was so much better than a euphemism for illicit drugs. I was hoping he’d stick around a bit longer.

[@CarlyCatharsis]

FACT: Hispanic "Vibe" is Actually One Of The Coolest Characters On CW's FLASH.

[@androstempest]

Two words, WONDER GIRL. Try sorting that mess out. Donna Troy has had like six rebooted origins, non of which fit either the pre or post zero hour timeline.

[@joshuaingobo1559]

Because DC editorial had to reboot Wonder Woman as a hero who is just starting out after Crisis On Infinite Earths.

[@andrewshandle]

I would chalk that one up for "really bad Editorial Staff who didn't read their own comics", it's not really like this top 10 which is changes to existing characters. DC did this a few times IIRC.

[@dw7704]

Her and Hawkman probably top the list for retcons. Some of which made things worse, and didn’t help.

[@l3mu3l1]

Magneto not being Wanda and Pietro's Father.It never made sense.😐😐😐

[@haydentcem]

Yeah

[@Awestefeld6612]

Or their hooking up in the Ultimates reality.

[@CommodoreFloopjack78]

As a then-teenage comics fan in the '90s who previously had little if any interest in the FF, I have to admit that Sue Storm's makeover worked. There, I said it, alright?

[@SirDankleberry]

I mean you're a man, nothing shameful about it.

[@CommodoreFloopjack78]

@@SirDankleberry 👍👍👍

[@tonyibraham5931]

Emma Frost probably would've loved Sue's 90s costume

[@robertnickerson8463]

I agree with you on, that one, but I would think Emma Frost would put her on style to the costume if she was wearing something like that... You did an excellent job on picking Emma Frost because I would picture her wearing something like that...

[@tonyibraham5931]

@@robertnickerson8463 she is very pro-sexuality and has even mentioned she uses that empowerment to her advantage.

[@robertnickerson8463]

It is amazing how some people could answer back real quickly while it sometimes takes me longer to answer them back... I am glad you are talking about Emma Frost because other than Wolverine, she is one of my favorite X-MEN.. I have something to do favorite A listers, B listers, and probably some, that no one has ever heard of, but then again people probably tell me their favorite characters, and I probably never heard of them...

[@robertnickerson8463]

It is amazing how some people could answer back real quickly while it sometimes takes me longer to answer them back... I am glad you are talking about Emma Frost because other than Wolverine, she is one of my favorite X-MEN.. I have something to do favorite A listers, B listers, and probably some, that no one has ever heard of, but then again people probably tell me their favorite characters, and I probably never heard of them...

[@tonyibraham5931]

@@robertnickerson8463 lol I answered back that fast bc I am at work and bored between rounds.

[@WarmLillie]

*Lillie goes to Sue and rummages through her closet for a temporary costume then take out the 90 bikini outfit now* Lillie: “Good thing I have power of invisibility from you and I can’t be seen.”

[@zachrion]

Stop, Get some help

[@rlp4028]

Just like everyone else, you failed to mention that when Sue was wearing that costume, an entity known as Malice was in charge of Sue's body. The costume change was a reflection of that. Yes, it was still an excuse to give Sue a "sexier'" look, but you can't say it goes against Sue's character because Sue wasn't making the decisions. Sue is the mother, Malice is not.

[@robertnickerson8463]

I think, that, Sue changed her costume to make Reed jealous for ignoring her due to his interests in science.. What is a good way to make your spouse jealous is to wear a skimpy outfit, and have people stare at you, and if that didn't make jealous, then I feel sorry for Sue !!!

[@robertnickerson8463]

Oops! I forgot to add Reeds name in it for Sue to making him jealous by wearing the skimpy outfit in the 90's !!!

[@rlp4028]

@@robertnickerson8463 It's okay. I knew what you meant.

[@caesarmedina8489]

While I agree he forgot to mention that part, but it doesn't change that her character has changed, they just wrote in a reason for it. In the end, your character does what the writer says it does.

[@vegetasolo1221]

The Betrayed

[@andrewmachado5934]

Captain America’s exosuit makes him look more like The Tick

[@shadizersilverhand2113]

It was the 90s, just about every hero had that look for a while even the women.

[@psuley1977]

Too spoon

[@jasonjack7606]

I said the same thing!

[@ellnats]

all he needs is his own Arthur, i nominated Bob Agent of HYDRA

[@sabreeemneely]

When Hank Pym became a "wife beater".

[@wugglesx]

dont forget how they tried to back peddle it something like "mess up in communication and it was suppose to come off as an accident" .. but considering the universe it happened in.... i think we gotta call at aleast 90-95% odds of that being bs lol.

[@sabreeemneely]

@@wugglesx Ugh......Yay comic books. Excelsior!

[@jessemillan1385]

Penance was a good change for Speedball. He was a playable character in Ultimate Alliance 2.

[@shadizersilverhand2113]

Not even remotely, it was so incredibly bad some writers even mocked the idea about how 'hey I'm now deep!' he was somehow supposedly to be because he went from a happy sort to a masochistic brooding downer.

[@HELLO_KORO]

@@shadizersilverhand2113 to be fair he did cause a mass murder to happen

[@shadizersilverhand2113]

@@HELLO_KORO except he didn't, Nitro was always a psychotic killer who got off on detonating himself to kill people and thanks to plot armor always gets to come back to murder more people. Heck that entire deal was bad writing all on its own, having the New Warriors engaging in moronic reality-TV style bounty hunting especially Speedball with at least one lawyer parent who would have never done something so stupid as try and capture someone like Nitro in a populated area.

[@mattschantz5111]

I enjoyed Penance. Besides, at least he wasn't named after the mixing of cocaine and heroin anymore.

[@shadizersilverhand2113]

@@mattschantz5111 pretty sure he's named after the particular pitching maneuver in baseball and not some drug slang.

[@pattypcollins]

Penance was ok he was in that great Warren Ellis Thunderbolts run

[@jamiemiller1482]

Agreed every other person on this list I see as a bad idea but not him

[@steveqhanson6835]

@@jamiemiller1482 Same here. I liked the Penance story arc but yeah, the rest of these were terrible

[@frydaddy1535]

Aging up Jonathan Kent, thanks Bendis

[@stevenbland4035]

I actually quite like this change. I think it improves the manner in which be can be used and written, perhaps one day becoming the main Superman.

[@octaviocantu7905]

@@stevenbland4035 but in doing so, it almost undermines the friendship of him and Damian Wayne Robin.

[@jamienanberg]

I wed Dr. do everything ssetx

[@MikeHawk04]

Dude, Pennance was a HUGE improvement wtf

[@e.b.farmer4]

Whatculture has some dumbasses on staff.

[@grebble1330]

@@e.b.farmer4 because they dont agree with your opinion?

[@wikipediaintellectual7088]

@@grebble1330 Yes.

[@shadizersilverhand2113]

Nope, not even remotely not even in the Bizarro world.

[@PopeyeBjj86]

@@wikipediaintellectual7088 I don't agree with you....

[@PapaTaurean]

Ugh... I remember Blue and Red Superman. Why... just... why?

[@DarkEagle-vx9hd]

I just thought they were boring as hell. No difference in powers if I remember and energy- based superbeings are pretty done to death. It was ridiculous in the 60s and the 90s both

[@Rocketboy1313]

I liked the Superman Blue look. But then most of that affection comes from Grant Morrison making the most of the change during his run on Justice League where he played to the strengths of the change having Clark utilize his powers creatively, like when he wired himself into the moon.

[@woodcojb]

I seem to remember Spider-Man being married. But now he's not.

[@Edgeof666]

I'm pretty sure they dedicated an entire episode to retarded things that happened to Spiderman.

[@rachitmittal448]

That's because Joe Quasada One More Day happened.

[@jamesherb4384]

@@rachitmittal448 that will probably forever be seen as the most insulting spiderman comic ever.

[@dethlokprime8655]

Is he still not married?

[@jamesherb4384]

@@dethlokprime8655 not currently.

[@gryphman]

Guy Gardner being part alien, and gaining the ability to transform his arms into weapons.

[@WarmLillie]

Lillie: “I wonder if could take the power of second Supergirl and shapeshift as well?”

[@zachrion]

Stop, Get some help

[@shadowdancertheredmage6798]

Don't forget pretty much 😉😘every change made while the MCU was active between Iron Man and Endgame, most comics characters were RETCONed into unrecognizability

[@A-Microwave]

the movies are their own universe, they are allowed to have differences, just like there are differences between the main comic universe and the ultimate comics universe

[@wugglesx]

@@A-Microwave i think they're talking about how they released some comics and did some retcons to others based on the mcu. . i think one of the most popular was making tony stark look more like robert downey jr. . though they often change characters appearance to try and fit with the times.

[@ronnieobenhaus8849]

Holy crap, Steel is in Legends of Tomorrow! I didn't even know that's who that character was!

[@thejimg]

Kate and Bette Kane being related to Bruce Wayne... Kate actually went on dates with Bruce pre-Flushpoint...

[@joshuaingobo1559]

It was Kathy Kane, the first Batwoman, who dated Bruce pre-Crisis and pre-Flashpoint before Kate and Bette Kane were retconned into being Bruce’s cousins post-Flashpoint, even though they weren’t related to Bruce pre-Flashpoint.

[@thejimg]

@@joshuaingobo1559 Read 52, it mentions that Kate Kane had went on a few dates with Bruce Wayne...

[@daryl772003]

Some of the justice league Detroit members are done very well in the arrowverse

[@garibaldilebeau]

Almost that entire lineup in fact! Two versions of Vixen, Steel, Vibe, MM…

[@ranwolf1240]

Apparently Diana forgot all of her Amazonian training

[@Dogapillar4Lyfe]

Vixen is legit Great

[@bunkerzero]

Funny thing about bat baby is that he made an appearance in Batman: brave and the bold when Batman team up with the Shazam and was hit with a ray by Dr Shivana Also I remember steel but I know him as citizen steel and than commander steel

[@xiyang6080]

Making Wally black then bringing ginger back and calling Wally..Wallace. Then making him kill. Then making him a god.

[@wugglesx]

didnt they leave him dead for over a decade or something like taht too? and oof he didnt even get to be his own god either! instead he's just wally manhatten ... Dr wally?

[@KombatW0mbat]

How about making frank richards no longer a mutant randomly for no reason

[@newageBoundhippie]

I mean a LOT of mutants stopped being mutants....blame Wanda and her "no more mutants" thing.

[@shadizersilverhand2113]

@@newageBoundhippie that's not why he was no longer a mutant.

[@shadizersilverhand2113]

Yes that was really stupid, that somehow a newborn child somehow wishes he was really a mutant to feel special when it was a long time before he even was old enough to know what a mutant was and many X-men stories set in the future dealt with him being a mutant and clearly scanning as such even when he had no powers at all.

[@newageBoundhippie]

@@shadizersilverhand2113 crap like this happens so often I can't keep track anymore

[@KombatW0mbat]

@@newageBoundhippie basically Franklin subconsciously changed his dna to match that of mutant’s he did this when he was really really little he never realized it

[@mochiman6307]

My least favorite change, hawkeye wears his mcu outfit, it’s like how you doin cool kids level bad, go back to the outfit, it looks better

[@Franklinsbrother]

I'm probably gonna piss off some fans, but what about when Jubilee became a vampire?

[@mrroboshadow]

is it silly? yeah is it as bad as a ton of other stuff, especially from the 90s? not even close plus if i remember correctly by the time it happened she wasnt even that prominent anymore so its not like it mattered too much

[@mrroboshadow]

@matt alan yeah i recall she was relegated to being babysitter to Luke Cage and Jessica Jones' baby And to be honest a vampire mutant babysitter sounds pretty badass

[@bruceflournoy7411]

Prof x could walk after his power was cut off, the D.C comics character triumph who was a waste and bloodmoon or whatever this weak attempt at a new black super hero was who turned out to be martian manhunter in disguise then they breifly made the hero real...then forgot..I can't even recall the name just the dumb red and white costume merging worst aspects of Dr Strange and supermans costumes..

[@bruceflournoy7411]

@@jeffjones2463 ummm blood moon sounds cooler, think it was blood wynd with the y to be " cool" but still sounds like Australian slang for something a guy has to see a Dr about after a prison rape...or a youngblood character which to me is even more embarrassing and emasculating...

[@marcacurso7756]

I'm amazed you were able to limit it to 10. There's a landfill of bad changes to choose from out there

[@FishTheJim]

If you go back and look one of the common character changes that happened back in the 80's and 90's is: The Leather Jacket! Wonder Woman got one briefly as did Superboy. The Avengers of the 90's had a whole slew of them. Marvvel in general in the 90's LOVED the Leather Jacket! Guy Gardner was reinvented and GREEN Leather Jacket!(although in Guy's case it really was an improvement). If your character change/introduction/reintroduction had to be edgy then expect that charcter to have a Leather Jacket! It became so pathetically obvious what was being attempted by creators that to me whenever I saw a cover with the new and improved Superhero and they were wearing a Leather Jacket! it was a HARD PASS for me at the comic shop.

[@bobbuethe1477]

And Animal Man got a denim jacket. (As an animal rights activist, he was anti-leather.)

[@wugglesx]

@@bobbuethe1477 animal-man gets really underrated and used in things considering just how high the potential for his power is.. plus half the time he's a decent guy too.

[@magnus19g8xc9]

Making Thanos the new OAA was also pretty dumb.

[@theunknown7441]

Lol when did that happened thats bonkers

[@CorpusOrganic]

not dumb. just the retcon for the infinity stones from the MCU. in guardians of the galaxy no mere mortal could handle them directly. a few movies later anyone could handle them easily

[@itsjunieb]

theory with no evidence: ability to wield stones is measured similar to worthiness für mjolnir, quill post- infinity war would probably be able to handle the power stone better than the end of gotg. thor in thor 1 would be unable to weile a stone, but in endgame could probably handle all 6. etc

[@CosmicGoku529]

That was the power stone that almost killed them. The power stone has infinite energy. Not even Thanos could hold that stone for more than a few seconds without starting to be ripped apart. But to be honest their strength was actually improved in the movie. In the comics pretty much anyone of adequate strength could carry one around without much danger to themselves.

[@insighttheformula]

I actually liked feral Wolverine a lot. Was so dope they made action figures out of feral Wolverine.. plus it’s part a dope story line from genesis to the return of apocalypse during onslaughts time

[@mrroboshadow]

the design wasnt bad, the reasoning in my opinion was bit silly

[@AryanKing94]

I wonder why Ra'as hasn't gone after Garth's baby ray yet? It seem's to be a much more stable alternative to the Lazarus pit

[@comradecrawdaddy3343]

"Spikes aren't cool". My inner Iron Warrior "Get the shovel"

[@pvthitch]

Dr. Fate, a magic man with the best helmet ever, became kewl Fate, with a knives and a glowing eye like Cable's.

[@shadizersilverhand2113]

And a bandaged arm restraining a demonic essence.

[@stanleytehee]

What about Superman walking across the world or some crap, or the new 52?

[@paulcarr5918]

Pretty sure Penance's outfit also had spikes inside bot just the outside. Part of the whole point of the character (and the name). I didn't dislike Penance at all, I was just a big fan of Speedball

[@jasonjack7606]

It did. One spike for each of the people killed in the explosion. Also note there was zero mention that the explosion was considerably bigger and more powerful because of the Tinker being involved. At least, I think it was the Tinker. He was supercharged at the time, and no one knew it until it was too late.

[@jrsanders1212]

"During the 90's a lot of attempts were made to bring older characters up to date with what was cool at the time." Shows Cable and Bishop that debuted in the early 90's. That was just my favorite mistake here. Script writers that can't even bother with a simple google search. Hey you guys are just like Hollywood. Never change What Culture.

[@chriss1757]

@@cjlister8508 You have to be honest. X-force was really the genesis of the roid-rage, 3000 pouch, anime sized weapons trend. The 90's were all about extreme. Sadly, I miss it as comics are unreadable today.

[@MegaFANTAZTIK]

Leave Sue's stripper outfit alone🤣🤣🤣

[@fritzvanlonden1388]

That Vibe character looks a bit like Wonder Man.

[@Ragamuffin-Guesses-cgc-grades]

I recall I point in time when Iron Man's helmet had a nose on it for pretty much no reason.

[@shadizersilverhand2113]

Well it had a reason, just a dumb one. Apparently some artists had reached the point of drawing Iron Man's helmet as the same size as a human head, which would be impossible since it'd need to be larger so when Stan mentioned 'where's his nose?' to point out the helmet needs to be larger they instead bizarrely started giving him a nose instead. One issue Stark as Iron Man shows up at a sci-fi convention and a congoer actually confronts him about the 'poor suit with the nose' and Stark replies that he was trying to be authentic. Eventually the problem got resolved thankfully.

[@Ragamuffin-Guesses-cgc-grades]

Yeah, I heard that too.

[@alexortiz1431]

It wasn't Apocalypse that gave Wolverine back his adamantium! It was The Leader!

[@bankruptedwizard1413]

The 90's; Where coherent and decent comic book stories come to parish.

[@angryspork610]

The number 1 spot rightfully belongs to that awful "Orphan" copy of Cassandra Cain replacing the genuine article. Sure, you could just say "all the reinventions from/since the New52" were terrible--and the vast majority of them are--but that CassINO is by far the worst of the lot. Though, as someone that's always liked Nightcrawler, that "son of the demon" thing is a good runner up in general.

[@droth1031]

You forgot New 52 Harley Quinn, who got the cliché trope origin of "thrown in a vat of chemicals"

[@xj9jennywakeman709]

Making Dr Manhattan the one responsible for the New 52 was a terrible change that ruined his character.

[@wugglesx]

its an interesting way to give different reasoning for the new 52 but gotta agree didnt really seem in character for mr dr man

[@MrOrcshaman]

Currently, they've written my favourite comic book character, Beast, as an apathetic monster who doesn't care about anyone he might harm all for his experiments. That's as far from the character as can be and makes him more like his evil age of apocalypse counterpart

[@wugglesx]

right it's suppose to be his confidence and desire to help as fast as possible that ends up causing trouble. not him being so uncaring and indifferent he's practically a new character.

[@aidanfrancis7276]

I think penance is actually kinda dope you explained it strange to make it seem bad. He was put into prison after civil war and then shot while testifying before Congress and the he decided to make a new suit with 612 internal spikes to remind him constantly of the 612 people who lost there lives because of his recklessness. He’s driven by guilt and shame and feels he needs to be punished therefore goes by penance

[@stevescollectibles3460]

Hahaha Tiny Batman!!! That was the best

[@ellymizrahi1199]

Ah yes, the eternal nightmare of Chuck Austen. I think the insult to this injury is that a few non-Chuck Austen writers have used Azazel (in the First Class film, Nightcrawler’s last ongoing that brought him back after dying in 2nd coming) and all of them are better than Austen’s.

[@bruh_hahaha]

Powergirl’s hand-me-down costume looks good on Sue Storm.

[@CainLatrani]

That time DC decoded to make Batman the ultimate invincible superhero above all laws of reason, physics and common sense. Oh wait...

[@FAHCORE]

I was 16 when Supes went electric, and the blue and red split is what convinced me to stop buying comics.

[@HEARTOFAHERO456XL65]

Yeah it really does suck.

[@robsenzig5720]

Now this is interesting. Here I am playing Marvel's Ultimate Alliance 2 and I'm listening to you guys talking about the dumb idea of turning Sperdball into Penance during the first Civil War.

[@OrphanHart]

I liked Penance. It wasn't about "being edgy". It was about self-hate, guilt, torture, and wanting to apologize; something many of us can relate to. Also, each spike represented each person that was killed so he would always be reminded of what happened. It didn't exist for no reason. I thought it was very interesting.

[@mikeburkhart8336]

I'll say it in four words:"Doctor Octopus minded Spider-Man".

[@blubberyoyster4]

I had an action figure of 90's Superman Blue and as a 2001 kid I had no idea why Superman was full blue and white...

[@timothylewis2527]

This list was all over the place but it kept me entertained. I'm not complaining.

[@Larrythemonkey25]

Speedballs arc was great

[@richardcarter9446]

I enjoyed the Superman Red and Blue story line

[@WarmLillie]

*Lillie learn Kung-Fu from Wonder Woman and wear the mod outfit* If she doesn’t wear it then I’ll do.

[@BigSteve1997]

My brother loved penance in the ultimate alliance 2 game, so I think it's a good character

[@wugglesx]

they didnt even mention those spikes werent just for edge. they went both ways. they were well for penance, since he blamed himself for the deaths.

[@MrGunBunny13]

Susan's costume was a thing of beauty!

[@shirubionicle]

Say what you want about Invisible Womans 90s costume, but nothing is dumber than Thors 90s costume.

[@MrRagingAntibody]

turning harley quinn into an antihero

[@pramusetyakanca1552]

This may sound like heresy, but Sue’s 90’s outfit looks pretty cool, and I dig it.

[@lianaverwood9810]

Same stupid lists about the same things with no real reasons why they did some of these things or it was a thing of it's time and just about all of them were doing it. Like sue replaced her suit due influence of malice and fed on sues frustration with reed.

[@calico1248]

Yall buggin. Penance was a dope change for Speedball.

[@HiAgainTheNameIsStillAyle]

Mate...

[@zachrion]

And now we have a Captain America power suit again lol

[@uncledarthy3783]

Wait wait wait....... Sooooooo we’re not going to talk about Marvel turning iceman gay for diversity reasons?

[@goldenstatewarriors9418]

This channel is a lot harsher to DC in general.

[@octaviocantu7905]

Iceman coming or was actually done pretty well.

[@goldenstatewarriors9418]

@@octaviocantu7905 I disagree, but to each their own. The way they wrote it, Jean Grey literally switched him.

[@whiplashfatigue1430]

Left out the part where Speedball was held responsible for the tragedy of Nitro’s explosion. His family disowned him, he became “The Most Hated Man in America”, the government and even She-Hulk (who knows more than a little bit about carnage happening that you have no control over) pressured him to sign a confession, he lost his powers and was put in prison where the guards and prisoners abused him, and he was shot by an assassin in a scene that tastelessly was a recreation of Ruby shooting Oswald. Heap that much crap on anybody and they’d feel bad about himself and want to hurt himself. Throw in the manipulations and exploitations of Norman Osborn, constant reminders of the people who died, and it’s a miracle he didn’t off himself. The only people who seemed to give him a break were Doc Samson (the psychiatrist) and Nova, who met Penance on a visit from space and was so horrified by what they’d done to his upbeat friend that he left IMMEDIATELY to fly back into space for good.

[@ManofSex69]

I don’t care how revealing a costume is, if it’s stated the character made it or chose it for themselves in the story, rather than being forced into it by other characters, then they can wear whatever they want.

[@glenndallas7171]

You... you know they're not real, right? It's still the writer's shitty choice.

[@sabergreen2010]

Fun fact the entire reason sue made that costume was because she wanted romantic time with Reed. Reed Richards of course was completely oblivious. I’m not even kidding.

[@calipygia]

Well, he kinda died for some of that time.

[@ReiCaixa]

As much as I agree it doesn't make sense for Sue to walk around and fight crime in a swimsuit, I wish they made more alternative costumes to all heroes, even the males. Some more casual, some more armored, some for just training (like shirts, shorts, tops, etc). Let's be honest, would the heroes ALWAYS use the same looking costume EVERY SINGLE day of the week? I recently saw a Samus concept of a top and shorts for training/workout, and I think that really makes sense. It's the kind of thing I'd expect from the Human Torch, Iron-Man, Batman and many others. But it seems like they only change costumes when they change either the movie or the book.

[@naelmohammed9551]

Steve Rogers being a Hydra agent

[@MrOrcshaman]

Oh it's worse then that now, at !east the reason for that was because of red skulls messing with reality. Currently, the writers are making cap into an anti-nationalist Marxist who's abandoned the American dream.

[@dylanogg347]

For God's sake, The New Warriors were still fighting supervillains, and what happened after was Nitro's fault. And what happened to poor Speedball after that. Jeez...

[@andrewshandle]

But they were showing off for a Reality TV show and attacked a guy who's power is literally to explode in an area with civilians. You know what they say about the roadway to hell after all.

[@dylanogg347]

@@andrewshandle Fair enough. But I feel Speedball got handed a bad rap.

[@andrewshandle]

@@dylanogg347 yeah no doubt and probably shouldn’t be on a list like this either. There was a logical narrative reason for the character change. There likely are hundreds of better examples they could of used…but part of me thinks that’s the point. Pick a few bad ones and skip a few obvious ones to get the comments rolling to improve “engagement”

[@chuckhush916]

I remember Kung Fu, Emma Peel, Diana Prince. The 60s were ultra weird for comics.

[@Jetblast01]

The red and blue Superman is just Hawk and Dove with superpowers.

[@stevegallo8483]

How about '90s Batman? After the events of Knightfall, a broken Bruce Wayne handed the mantle of Batman to Jean Paul Valley (aka Azrael) who turned Batman into an armored Batman who brutalized villains.

[@brettbuck7362]

You missed the best part of Speedball/Penance story - he had a cat named Niels, also "super", and after the blast, Penance put him in a iron suit with spikes, and started calling him "P-Cat, the Penitant Puss"! Absolutely the most idiotic thing you can imagine, even Squirrel Girl thought it was stupid.

[@Drixenol86]

The thumbnail made me chuckle.😆

[@blackpeter70]

Really liked John Byrne's new black and white versions of the FF's costumes, back in '83. Johnny's bowl haircut was cool at the time, too! :)

[@Quimper111]

I think you misunderstood the reason why Penance chose to wear a suit with spikes inside it. Hint: The clue is in the name.

[@AryanKing94]

Honestly Sue's 90s costume felt like something Johnny or She Hulk probably came up with for themselves but at the last minute didn't want to go through with it but since it cost so much to make Sue decided to get the money's worth out of it.

[@AryanKing94]

While I admit Linda Danvers/ Matrix/ Earthbound Angel of Fire Supergirl was convoluted in nature her adventures and powers and abilities in each form were pretty fun at times. Kinda want them to make a comeback if their origin is ever streamlined. Although with Omniverse I guess they're fully cannon again.

[@medusa_slayer]

Mmm don't know about the the one with the wolverine and nightcrawler. The wolverine issue offered a nice plot of showing how his "abilities" work and how they're connected. As for nightcrawler, it's cool to see that his father is actually a demon and he gets his powers from him. It also shows that whatever your backstory is, it doesn't defy you, since nightcrawler has a kind soul, not a demonic one.

[@dinogoldie9716]

(re Penance) I dunno...most Catholics I've met were over 15.

[@registereduser]

Penance made sense, though.

[@chrisw207]

You missed the context on the Sue Richards one. It's supposed to be ridiculous and inappropriate. She'd absorbed a dark version of herself with worse fashion sense (black leather and spikes) and the outfit she only had for a year was that side asserting dominance. It was dumb, but unlike the rest of the list, morr parody than something to be taken seriously.

[@hankthepatriot3733]

BAT-BABY!!!

[@lazytime3126]

Marvel Legends should recreate sue's 90s costume, I bet it will sold out in just a week

[@wrathsin13]

Azazel is a mutant not a demon