10 Morality Systems In Video Games (That Can Be Cheated)

[@pascal7876]

In Red Dead I found you can farm honor and fish if you stand at the right place and "release" the fish onto a rock or plank, they'll count as spared for honor and you can pick them up afterwards

[@CrystalTikal]

Dragon Age: Origins also has DLC that adds new gifts to the camp merchant that will increase or decrease your companions' approval by a large amount. For example, a Grey Warden Puppet that significantly increases Alistair's approval, or a Cone that will significantly decrease Dog's approval.

[@Saddonghussein]

Even in the normal game, there's enough gifts to get the approval of everyone making bad decisions, the only thing you can't do is get back to camp if you nburn the ashes, cus Wynne tell you to f. Up an leave, you don't really need extra gifts

[@jamesherb4384]

you can decrease the dog's approval? I didn't even realize that was possible 😂

[@jamesherb4384]

​@Saddonghussein honestly, so long as you don't take companions who will disagree with your main choices, you're good. they did eventually fix that in inquisition where everyone approved or disapproved of the main story resolutions but the first two games it only effects the ones you have in your party, outside of the ashes of andraste

[@mackenzieokelley6454]

There's also the two glitches in ME2. In the intro, after meeting up with Jacob, when you talk to him and he tells you he's with Cerberus, you can loop the convo, and depending on the answer you give him, you can keep building paragon and renegade points till the max, if you're patient enough. Also during Samara's loyalty, after killing Morinth, if you keep asking her if she's okay, you can keep earning paragon points till you max out the meter.

[@jamesherb4384]

that save glitch at the start of the game requires so much patience though 😂 and you don't even see how much paragon and renegade you have till you finish the first mission

[@mackenzieokelley6454]

@@jamesherb4384 I think it's like 2-4 points per run, but yeah it takes ridiculously long to get anything out of it. Plus the load times because of the save load cycle too. You can do it, but there's better ways to get the points, renegade especially

[@landonewts]

I don’t know about this! Will definitely try this next ME playthrough. Thanks!

[@mackenzieokelley6454]

@@landonewts if you try the one for Jacob in the intro, I'd look it up. It's got a couple steps you have to do to get the convos to loop that can be easy to screw up. It also takes a long time to do as well to get anything out of it. Hope it helps

[@landonewts]

@@mackenzieokelley6454 oh,ok - Thanks!

[@elrojojp]

What I loved about the first infamous game is the fact that you don't lose any karma if you heal the people you kill 😂

[@popatsot1]

I blew them up by accident. The least I can do is defib them 😂

[@elrojojp]

@popatsot1 yeah that happened alot

[@russianspy1234]

Zapping someone gave 1 evil point. Healing someone gave 3 good points. So you could torture someone by zapping then healing them a bunch of times (not unlimited, game stopped you eventually) and net yourself an increase in good karma.

[@GameEsthetics]

Loved how Fable handled the morality system

[@mixedbaggamer]

Yeah but Fable 3 was really easy to cheese all you had to do was be the most corrupt landowner you possibly could have been but have the rent be as low as possible I don't remember exactly how it was formatted in games because it's been a bit but I remember there were two bars and one of them was how much money you are making off of them and the other one affected whether you got good or bad karma just lower that to as low as possible and you'll literally Farm Good Karma well also extorting the entirety of the Kingdom. Not even exaggerating I chose every single money-hungry auction and debatably evil choice and came out of the game with the maxed-out Good Karma

[@28doodler]

On the fable entry: you can also do something similar in fable 3 with the power of "Real Estate." Simply buy up properties as soon as you can and adjust the rent as high as possible as soon as possible for evil points, and then turn it the other way when youre ready for good.

[@musguera]

Tha lady talked about VtM Bloodlines, FO3, DAO and ME, I'm in love. Waiting hopefully for Bloodlines 2.

[@loonybin7835]

Here's one that sortof counts: the Chao in Sonic Adventure 2: Battle. They evolve into angel or devil chao depending on how each character treats them. But it's extremely easy to cheese. All you have to do is repeatedly pet a chao with a hero character and it will visibly get angel features as you do so, or with a dark character to give them devil features. When they stop changing you know you've maxed out their good/evil and can then just hang out with them until they evolve.

[@TheGame4eva]

That's cool. Cheating sometime in games can be fun😂😂😂

[@duescaymania2940]

Fallout new Vegas: you can be as absolutely evil as you want, including slaughtering a faction. Slaughter the right faction however and you become a good guy. Wipe out the powder hangers entirely and you can be seen as a saint by the people of the Mojave

[@eddythefool]

I always thought that for fallout 3 they could have locked out higher karma levels depending on the big karma choices. Like, if you blow up megaton then you permanently lose 500 karma so you can only get to 500 instead of 1000 and you permanently lose 5 per slave sold up until you're at 0. This means that if you keep doing evil things then you'll be locked at neutral as the highest level you can reach.

[@loonybin7835]

Totally worth it, though. The penthouse is way better than the Megaton house. Basically nothing of note lost with Megaton as long as you got the Bobblehead.

[@eddythefool]

@@loonybin7835 and that's the problem. They should have made it have consequences to make the decision have more weight on it otherwise you just an orphan a bunch of water bottles and your karma is at max again. That's what made New Vegas' reputation system way better.

[@loonybin7835]

@@eddythefool I don't think it's a super huge problem to be able to fix your karma. You make it hard to fix when you do the big negative karma things, and even if it's possible to turn it around, it takes work, and if you're role-playing a bad person you won't even have to bother. Having bad karma locked you out of certain things, but opened up new doors, like enslaving people for caps and being able to steal whatever you want. It's not a perfectly balanced system but it's one of the few games I remember from back then that *allowed* you to go fully evil with enough to do. In the original Baldur's Gate games, for example, being evil kinda sucked. The best swords in the game were good/Paladin-only, and there were barely enough evil party members to fill a balanced party. It was miserable. In Bioshock being evil gives you immediate gains, but being good ultimately gave you better rewards in the long run, so the evil route wasn't really worth it. Fallout 3 felt like the first time a game I played gave you enough reason to try the bad route, and I respected that. New Vegas was nice and probably an improvement overall, but it definitely had glaring problems. I remember playing through and trying to be on good terms with everyone, and then suddenly I hit a plot point where it was like "make your final choice" (I think it was what to do with the platinum chip or whatever), and it literally said on-screen "doing this will make factions x/y/z immediately hate you", and then I did it, and then all the good will I got was dashed immediately and entire groups were hostile to me. For something I did when they weren't even around. It completely dashed my immersion and was fairly upsetting. Of course it's not easy, possibly impossible, to make a game where every decision can be perfectly reacted to, but "be friends with everyone" felt like a basic enough choice to make where I wasn't expecting such a quick turnaround. Every game clearly has its flaws with choices like this.

[@eddythefool]

​@@loonybin7835New Vegas pretty much got rid of the morality system if I'm being honest. The reputation system wasn't a morality system since the NCR only cared if you stole from them, but if they saw you stealing from someone else they really didn't care even if your karma took a hit. Because of that it makes perfect sense that when you openly choose to support a group the other groups would turn hostile to you since it wouldn't make any sense that you are a known Caesar Legion operative, but are allowed to go into NCR strongholds. Besides, if you maxed out the positive reputation, then become vilified it cancels out and you become a true neutral. Locking the karma is what makes decisions matter since if you can just undo them later then what's the point of making them to begin with.

[@eddythefool]

If it was up to me the evil choices would give you the best armor and weapons, like in undertale, since you have made the most amount of enemies. If it was up to me BioShock would have only given you 75% of the Adam the evil choices gave you so that you could never reach the level of an evil player.

[@codydoxey2497]

I really love the entire infamous series so much such fun series of games.

[@jcsmiley1255]

Rdr2's honor really is broken lol😂. You can also catch and release fish to max your good honor really fast

[@BEAR176]

Knights of the Old Republic. You can throw the stowaway off your ship infinitely for dark side points. Just restart the dialog before she runs away. You can proceed to force storm a room full of enemies into dust like a sith god very early in the game.

[@bloodwolfgaming9269]

Fishing also helps with your Honor in RDR2. All you need to do is go fishing for a little while and release every fish you catch. You gain small amounts of honor for every fish you throw back.

[@Joel0000101]

Not sure I it really counts in this, but in Fable 3 where you have to choose between keeping promises or breaking them to get money to save everyone can be countered by buying all properties

[@tubensalat1453]

At least when going for achievements the karma system in FO3 is a bit more complicated than just choosing a perk at a certain point. (I'm missing all those achievements for reaching certain levels at neutral and evil karma.)

[@eventh0r1z0n]

Another Fable one I found was to buy up all the houses, but the rent them out at the lowest rates.

[@Tsurugo]

Good list Jess!

[@thornescapes7707]

Morality in Fallout 3 is even easier than that. Want to get evil? Steal a bunch of little things. Want to get good, scrub? Just give a bunch of water to someone in need, like the guy always in front of Rivet City. I might have a slight tendency to steal everything nailed down in RPGs, so I also keep a big stockpile of water in case I want Fawkes as a companion later in the game.

[@clericofchaos1]

You included one fable game but technically they all have features that let you pay gold to get away with evil deeds. Fable 3 is still my favorite though because ALL of the game's moral decisions can be bypassed with money and i find that hilarious.

[@somebodynowhere]

I honestly thought this was going to be about the fallout 3 strat of the guy that wants water to get back to neutral or even positive after nuking megaton

[@jamiekjackson]

An easy, perk free option in fallout 3, is to spam entering Moriarty's computer. Apparently privacy invasion is pretty evil.

[@francislee817]

Ive always struggled with dishonoured as i didnt want a bad ending but struggled with stealth when i first played it. I wish i knew the 50% rule back then

[@chrisrudolf9839]

The system is even more lenient than they said, because there is no 50% rule per chapter. It is totally possible to slip into high chaos in one of the earlier chapters (with the appropriate consequences in the next chapter), but redeem yourself back into overall low chaos if you play very careful in later chapters and get the good ending. I wouldn't have listed that as "cheating the morality system" either, since the system in Dishonored was less about being good or evil and more about actions and consequences, i.e. how much you destabilize the already crisis-ridden empire by your actions. I mean, you play as an assassin who uses black magic and carries the magically beating heart in which the ghost of his dead lover is imprisoned around as an advisor - it's pretty clear that you aren't exactly an angel, even if you do manage to avoid killing alltogether (some of the non-lethal options to get rid of your main antagonists are arguably more cruel than just killing them).

[@VascovanZeller]

In KOTOR 1 or 2 (nor sure) there is a bug during a main quest in Manaan where you can gain infinite light side points just by asking something over and over again.

[@faylinnmystiquerose2224]

That would be the original KotOR I believe, if I recall, you can't go to Manaan in KotOR 2.

[@DPowered2]

I started to think different about how simple morality systems in games are when i realize the pattern was too black and white even when they try to be deep " Would you kill a whole town of people or not is not a deep philosophical question"

[@BlueGriffin20]

Yeah. I recall you could drop/raise the taxes on buildings you own in Fable 3 to adjust your morality too. Let’s you be nice, then get enough gold for the game, then lower them again to still nice.

[@The-One-and-only-Devilain]

That fable one is dead wrong though. how many good points you get is determined by how much money you give.

[@SilverSpectre266]

Honestly growing tired of morality systems in games and feels like most AAA games have some kind of one in them nowadays. Sometimes I just want to have fun. At least make it like GTA where that stuff can be reset easily with a few button presses after Im done having a spur of the moment power fantasy.

[@ScrappyTheKnell]

Loved throwing people across the map in Black & White 2.

[@floydgoodwyn8912]

Another great jess video ❤

[@halosreaper1]

....ummm dragon age origins doesn't really count considering its not actually a "morality system" it's a "reputation system" it just means how much your companions like or tolerate you.

[@Ju66alo4Life]

I loved the ME1 cheat 😂... i always waited till I made enough choices to max both paragon and renegade 😂

[@beatrixdobson4795]

Genuine question, has anyone actually gone full low honour Arthur in RDR2 by the end of the game?

[@bobbyboswell13]

lol i got the good ending on dishonored but also killed people i just used the heart to read their minds learn about them and id only kill the evil ones

[@nintendians]

10. lol, odd system. 8. okay then. 6. same as #8.

[@feliciajohnson6350]

I really like this 🙏🏼🖤

[@Saddonghussein]

Yeah because mass effect doesn't exist, its like re2 doesn't exist it only exist re2 remake even though no one calls it remake

[@willg3220]

If you add timestamps to your lists, I will leave likes and normal comments

[@ryanmiller8273]

Same

[@darkgamer7379]

Wow, imagine being so petty you withhold your liking a video just because there's no timestamps

[@Ssj-Ragnarok]

​@@darkgamer7379I mean if it works. 😂

[@indyscribable]

This comment seems pretty normal to me 🤔

[@Saddonghussein]

But without your like this channel is going to die, everyone knows that if a channel don't get willg3220 likes then its a death sentence. Nooooooo

[@thewanderer7060]

Can you ever be moral, if you choose to cheat?

[@Saddonghussein]

Yes, cheating isn't inmoral, its using the system loops, its the same that using your abilities as an extra to win a competition

[@Astraeus..]

Cheating means breaking the established rules for whatever the thing you're cheating on are, as such it's a question of ethics, not necessarily morals. Morality is situational and highly subjective, at best, whereas ethics are based on the rules of any particular thing.

[@liamevans9353]

Hello jess how are you love ❤️

[@TheBlacknarock]

lmao... Arthur Morgan is why I didnt finish the story. he's boring as hell.

[@bloodwolfgaming9269]

I mean...that's the whole point of the story...it's even in the title. Red Dead "Redemption". The story is about Arthur slowly coming to grips with all the wrong he has done and is trying to redeem himself with what time he has left before he dies. Rockstar even came out and said that the High Honor ending was the canon ending.

[@danielkalume4321]

First

[@noelkelleher9727]

And?

[@bloodwolfgaming9269]

Imagine being in 2023 and thinking that being the first comment actually matters. What's even more sad is that you could have made a really meaningful comment that meant something and instead wasted it by proclaiming you were the first comment.

[@noelkelleher9727]

@@bloodwolfgaming9269 they're people who don't have a life