In my opinion, Pinarello should have done this a long time ago, every other bike brand out there gives you same geometry bikes that are there top tier models and price into an entry to mid price point. I think this will be great for those new consumers to the market who are a fan of the dogma but odnt have dogma money
@jianhuichua1154 Жыл бұрын
I don't know about this man, just like Hermès bag will not be Hermès bag if they sell with price of Louis Vuitton bag. The price is the thing that keep this bike it's prestige status. Pinarello won't be the same Pinarello anymore when you can see it a lot on the street because it has cheaper option (still not cheap thought).
@Ghostina1 Жыл бұрын
well it is no Dogma so ... next please ;-)
@Ghostina1 Жыл бұрын
@@jianhuichua1154 interesting way of thinking. maybe it is the new marketing idea. make it less posh...
@charlesmansplaining Жыл бұрын
I didn't have Pinarello money years ago so I bought a Chinese knockoff. That bike didn't stick with me, the more I looked at it the more ugly it got. So I sold it. I don't see the attraction anymore. They ride like most any other racing type of bike so it's just a gimmicky funny shaped bike. Not for everybody evidently.
@galenkehler Жыл бұрын
Just one note on the pronunciation, it's Italian so the parts brand is pronounced "Moist"
@mit1978 Жыл бұрын
More than 9 kilos with pedals and bottle cages for 6000 🤣🤣🤣
@MsPietpaaltjes Жыл бұрын
Who even buys this crap lmao 🤣
@bikemirror6620 Жыл бұрын
While the rider that is complaining is 90kg
@mit1978 Жыл бұрын
@@bikemirror6620 🤣🤣🤣
@jadelift8 Жыл бұрын
My girlfriend road bike is 9 kg and she is flying in the mountains… while my bike are 1 and a half kilo lighter…. We did a kom test at our local hills and her time is only 40second slower than me.😂😅
@christophertan3195 Жыл бұрын
It has alu wheels lol so it could be 8.5 it also has 105 so it's heavy
@darthvulcanis4002 Жыл бұрын
as an owner of older fulcrum wheels, i can confirm they're heavier than tank treads... but i would still buy this bike
@chrispalmer30968 ай бұрын
Fulcrums are made by Campy. The ones on this bike are low spec Fulcrums as well.
@tabachoy54 Жыл бұрын
Just bought a brand new Pinarello Gan 105 Rim for $1680. 18.6lbs stock, now I brought it down to 17lbs by changing the wheels to carbon
@GCPerformance18 Жыл бұрын
thats a deal for sure
@JFomo Жыл бұрын
I like the frame and that's about it. Damn it's a heavy bike. 9kg once you add pedals. Maybe that's why it comes spec'd with a compact chainring.
@bernardo9202 Жыл бұрын
My giant contend, claris rim brake grupo, with flat pedals, upgraded with prime attacker wheels and continental gt 500 weights under 9kg. i on't like them but rim brakes are the best choice for budget setups
@chrisbustos4358 Жыл бұрын
@GCPerformance18, your first look of the F5 is spot on. Those Fulcrum wheels need to go. And you mentioned something about the new 2023 Cannondale Supersix Evo and I had to find out. The Evo 1 at that price point is tough to beat. For $6,500, it comes with the latest release "SRAM Force groupset, HollowGram 50 R-S wheels, and Vision Trimax Carbon Aero bars".
@GCPerformance18 Жыл бұрын
yea exactly that is a tough bike to compete with, with the carbon wheels and a mid tier group for only 500 more
@_cpdchua Жыл бұрын
For real! It's competing with TCR Ultegra!
@chrisbustos4358 Жыл бұрын
@@GCPerformance18 As you said, when looking at a Pinarello, it won't be a bargain because of the brand name/history. BUT for the F5 with the 105 Di2, they could have gone with a Shimano C46 Carbon wheelset that was launched with the new 105 Di2 groupset. As an OEM, they probably could have negotiated an even better wholesale prices. While it may eat very slightly at the margin, it's still better than the MOST Wheelset (Rebranded Metron?) they use as an additional $800 option. My opinion. The good thing is, the initial impressions from most publications (Cyclingnews, Cyclingtips, Roadbikeaction, etc..) is that the F Series rides well.
@chrisbustos4358 Жыл бұрын
@@_cpdchua The F series and Pinarello in general won't compete in pricepoint but at least give the consumer something... The Evo 2 for retail at $5,500 comes with the Ultegra Di2, a carbon wheelset, and a carbon handlebar.
@whizler Жыл бұрын
Rather typical of some of these Italian brands to hide the exorbitant costs of their bikes in order to remain "competitive": pair them with the cheapest wheels they can get away with and hope the consumer doesn't notice. 19lbs is ridiculous for a bike in this price range, but if you basically want to donate cash to Pinarello, be my guest. I roll my eyes at the owners of these bikes.
@ThaiLe-um3ch Жыл бұрын
Looks great but I think I have to pass on this one. I’m saving up the the 2023 Cannondale. 😁
@m.a.2282 Жыл бұрын
So you’re getting a mortgage is what you’re really telling us.
@dogukantosun5547 Жыл бұрын
The only reason people would buy this product is the way it looks. If performance is vital for you, you can easily find much cheaper, lighter and more aero alternatives.
@ThePaulRobertDavis Жыл бұрын
I'll admit i hate noisy freehubs. Nothing like carving down a mountain descent with nothing but the sound of the wind rushing by and tires in the pavement.
@keeferification Жыл бұрын
That Italian Pinarello frame maker out of Shenzen, China.
@galenkehler Жыл бұрын
What you're buying is a bike with a basic training wheelset. It's honestly a good idea, since you can ride that just fine, and if you need nicer wheels for racing you can buy specific wheels for your event. Aero deep or lightweight, whatever direction you want to go.
@Onigure Жыл бұрын
A Lamborghini with the specs of a Twingo.
@RoquetteAttaquer Жыл бұрын
My heart almost exploded when I heard new pinarello is out because I just recieved my Dogma F few days before this new F is announced 😂 pewww its a affordable version thank god 😅
@GCPerformance18 Жыл бұрын
hahahhahah I am sorry for the scare
@Niala84199 ай бұрын
Fair point on the wheels, they retail in the UK online for £250! on a £5200 bike it seems like an odd pairing.
@GCPerformance189 ай бұрын
yea exactly seems a little cheap
@brentcollins97276 ай бұрын
“These wheels look like a piece of metal roofing”. 😂😂😂 You are so funny!!
@GCPerformance186 ай бұрын
Lmao thanks
@TheWip140 Жыл бұрын
Welcome back :) Please tell me if the cross-section / thickness of the tubes in this pinarello is the same as in the Dogma F or the tubes are smaller / thinner in the cross-section of, for example, the lower main tube and the seat tube ? What do you think would be better to choose the more aggressive for racing and great acceleration and stiffness of the Ridley Noah Fast Disc team edition or this new Pinarello F7 bike ?
@GCPerformance18 Жыл бұрын
it is suppose to be the exact same builds of the dogma, btu I do not know the cross section measurements but they look very very similar if not identical
@Urbanoral Жыл бұрын
9kg por 6000 dolares, que locura, la culpa la tenemos nosotros que pagamos esos precios
@mateos8375 күн бұрын
How's the sizing with Pinarello F5 work? Does 53 fit you well? What's your height?
@joegamas1194 Жыл бұрын
Super nice review 🤪 hahahaha 😂 specially at the end….lmao 🤣
@GCPerformance18 Жыл бұрын
Thanks 😅 tried to have some Fun
@RapNewsHD Жыл бұрын
*My BMC SLR01 2019 rim brake 6.68 kg is laughing...* 🤣
@louis1904 Жыл бұрын
My 6.1 KG Sworks SL6 Ultralight edition rim brake laughs more than your BMC! Any way, my DOGMA F with powermeterr and pedals is 7.2 kg!
@jhenardvalente1970 Жыл бұрын
love your videos man you should find and review delta 7 bike frame absolute gorgeous frame
@GCPerformance18 Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much, I will look around at them
@christianalboroto7574 Жыл бұрын
My bike is 10.3kg all aluminum and I got it for $400 used with shimano sora groupset alloy deep rims 40mm. Makes me envious of you guys that have their bikes under 8kg.
@JoshuaTootell Жыл бұрын
Don't worry about it. Either just enjoy what you have, or slowly upgrade it as you go. I rode heavy bikes for years without a problem.
@geordanelefante560 Жыл бұрын
Totally agree with the wheels .. i rather put some Visions alloys
@GCPerformance18 Жыл бұрын
yea I mean anything but these
@bastarddsm Жыл бұрын
Why is the gan not mentioned? That’s the entry level bike, my 51.5 with cages and pedals is right at 18lbs.
@ernestoechevers4741 Жыл бұрын
actually here in Panama the paris is the cheapest Pina then the gan an that is only because they only make it in 600 carbon to avoid it overlapping with the Prince i guess the gan will still be made who knows
@simonderoo9189 Жыл бұрын
The gan has been discontinued for a while, the Paris and prince are now replaced with the Pinarello X and Pinarello F models
@bastarddsm Жыл бұрын
Many shops still have it available, sad to see it go. I absolutely hate disk and wish rim brakes were still offered.
@GCPerformance18 Жыл бұрын
they are going to be phasing that bike out as well
@louis1904 Жыл бұрын
DOGMA F in crystal white colour. The nicest bike!
@CaritooooКүн бұрын
$4500 for this a good price? It’s on sale right now, but feel like going for a canyon bike
@nellyx1x493 Жыл бұрын
Dang that's heavy. I don't get it, I own a decade old XC mtb 29er with front suss that weighs the same as this.... I prefer my 'road' bikes to be around 6.8kg, old skool style. Dig the style of this, and the concept, but it needs to be lighter. New 105 must be the boat anchor, as the rest looks reasonable.
@Jacob99174 Жыл бұрын
Yes
@JDRVP Жыл бұрын
No thanks. My 2016 BMC Teammachine SLR01 Ultegra di2 weighs 16lbs 9oz with ENVE SES 6.7 wheels, pedals, bottle cages, front and rear lights and wahoo element bolt. That freehub sound is so anemic😂
@descending_dudu Жыл бұрын
Bro really said : It's like they shove concrete inside that little hole💀
@LordAus123 Жыл бұрын
It was never about good enough; it was about perfection.
@GCPerformance18 Жыл бұрын
its a nice bike for sure
@stfu6397 Жыл бұрын
🤥
@piratepediatrics Жыл бұрын
Beautiful bikes! Glad they are doing this with F series. However no different than my Trek Emonda SL5. Same specs, weight, etc. mine is mechanical however. I would confided if in the market. GC have you heard of Mason out of tHE UK? If you can get a Definition I’d love a review!
@GCPerformance18 Жыл бұрын
I have not heard of mason, I have to check them out but I doubt I can geht them
@kimwarner6050 Жыл бұрын
My 2022 Pinarello Paris weighs 16.4 lb without pedals with scram Rival 1x. I'm pretty sure I can lose at 1.5 lbs more. Pinarello out here taking advantage of people.
@jasontillero966 Жыл бұрын
I'm laughing at you because a few videos back you had a fix for the front wheel turning with the wind. Where's the other stand for the front wheel? Lol
@GCPerformance18 Жыл бұрын
hahahhaha I am thinking the wind is going to calm down but it only gets worse
@mohamadkhanafer79782 ай бұрын
Does this come pre semi assembled in the box or would I have to put it together piece by piece
@allisgood.6191 Жыл бұрын
Chinarello all the way
@mrfillebojj5731 Жыл бұрын
almost the same weight anyway, haha
@Raffaxxx Жыл бұрын
Nice video dude,but your phone has some issues.The sound of the video is cracking as f..k :)
@GCPerformance18 Жыл бұрын
yes I got a new mic now I am sorry for that
@Raffaxxx Жыл бұрын
@@GCPerformance18 Thank you , subscribed:)
@romankleinstein5322 Жыл бұрын
Great review ! Can you tell me weight difference if F10 frame vs new F frame ? I have a 590 F10 and wonder if the new F would be much lighter and stiffer. Thanks in advance. Cheers
@tommyfreckmann6857 Жыл бұрын
The F is less stiff than the F10, the F10 is slightly lighter too. Source is from Tour Magazin.
@edwardbntz882511 ай бұрын
A pinarello sign right there 😂😂😂😂
@adam65407 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video. There will be definitely people who will want to buy this bicycle. More choice is always better. Do I like it? Not really. It is ok looking but not stunning in any particular way. It is like buying a nice brand car - Mercedes, Bmw, Audi, etc. and not adding any options like bigger wheels, leather upholstery. It just looks very basic and it does not stand out out form the crowd in any way. For me a bicycle should make me smile. This one fails to do so.
@GCPerformance18 Жыл бұрын
you are very welcome, I try to give everyone a good look at the bike form all points and give them weights as well, really helps people decide what they want to do with there decision
@Ghostina1 Жыл бұрын
If haven't have already a Dogma F MyWay ... i would never choose the Pinarello F ... i would rather opt for the SuperSix Evo. Maybe the the LAB71!
@ekm3820 Жыл бұрын
Damn! That’s a tank😂
@ernestoechevers4741 Жыл бұрын
looks like a dogma F from far away but i resembles more a prince with a straight down tube and seat stay where it matches the seat tube
@rolandcolavizza5368 Жыл бұрын
Most mid range disc brake bikes weigh a tone , even the giant propel advanced 2 weights 9kg , better off going for a light rim brake...
@GCPerformance18 Жыл бұрын
yea there a lot of other option out there for this price point to get another bike
@timm6876 Жыл бұрын
Calling out a "entry level" bike for being $6K is not expecting everything for free. It's expecting not to be raped and abused.
@GCPerformance18 Жыл бұрын
this is pinarellos verison of someone wanting to get there race geometry at an affordable price, just reading the webpage
@user-cu7cn1km7i Жыл бұрын
Hi Brother. Is there any difference in the geometry reach and stack of the new F compared to the previous prince?
@GCPerformance18 Жыл бұрын
it wasnt exact same but the prince was there race geometry mid tier price point, but not exact
@savagepro9060 Жыл бұрын
If you discontinue Prince and Paris, include PinarelLOW King and London!
@markhennings7207 Жыл бұрын
Spent about 500 miles on it and so far so good. kzbin.infoUgkxMesz3KOGEmwmvyKQfLfrRSUXLFzfVHZA Pros:1. Very light2. Solid quality build3. Fast delivery: It arrived 5 weeks earlier than expected.4. Easy assemblyJust a few cons but nothing major:1. Cheap tin tubes and had flat on first day... but not a big deal. I replaced the tubes.2. Seat is a bit uncomfortable but that's pretty much the same situation with most bikes.3. Seat post is a bit long/high for a smaller size 48 bike - had to saw 2 inch off to fit properly. The lowest setting is too high. The post locking system does not seem to hold well (perhaps because I saw 2 inch off).4. wheels are not tubeless compatible (from what I can tell)
@Bradbajc Жыл бұрын
3:38 Don't forget the F9 😁
@GCPerformance18 Жыл бұрын
okay, yea I was unsure if they had an f9 but thank you for clearing it up
@maciejbielawski6220 Жыл бұрын
My Time vxrs weigts under 7 kg and costs 1000E.
@stevenfreeman7798 Жыл бұрын
Have a planet x pro carbon with those wheels with rival axis etap same weight £2295 lol!.
@highfived Жыл бұрын
Entry level ?
@GCPerformance18 Жыл бұрын
lmao, yes this is there entry level race geometry bike they have to offer
@lambo79 Жыл бұрын
😂
@tomrachellesfirstdance7843 Жыл бұрын
Hard to believe people will buy this. No wonder bikes sales are slowing down
@Zwooder_editz111 Жыл бұрын
I'm assuming these new frames will be disc only?
@GCPerformance18 Жыл бұрын
yes they are, but it can be mechanical
@Colinke Жыл бұрын
60~70 % of Fulcrum wheelsets are made in Taiwan, except for the high end series.
@GCPerformance18 Жыл бұрын
I wouldnt doubt it after seeing those wheels, they were trash
@sparkmadd_IZM Жыл бұрын
Trailer Park Boys! FTW
@GCPerformance18 Жыл бұрын
hahahha I did not even think of that but I am rewatrching trailer park boys right now so maybe subconsciously I did this lol
@Hperge Жыл бұрын
OEM wheels on a 6000 $ bike, come on.... (did it come with a dork disc and a bell ?)
@GCPerformance18 Жыл бұрын
hahahha they do come with dork disc as well, even sworks do
@dhirajmasandful Жыл бұрын
Specialised allez beats this tank hands down.
@GCPerformance18 Жыл бұрын
the allez sprint for sure
@3TXR Жыл бұрын
lol my disc break time trial bike with 2x 80mm wheels incl. bottles is lighter than this brick of a bike
@timetrialist Жыл бұрын
I was about to buy a Dogma F until I watched this video. I decided not to looks like Pinarello is no longer exclusive
@GCPerformance18 Жыл бұрын
yea I am sure some people are bummed by this
@user-cu7cn1km7i Жыл бұрын
Does the new X series have the same exact endurance geometry as the previous Paris?
@GCPerformance18 Жыл бұрын
I do not know this as I have not seen this or have any info yet once i get my hands on somethign I can speak on it
@user-cu7cn1km7i Жыл бұрын
@@GCPerformance18 Thanks GC
@davidgiroux6047 Жыл бұрын
Made in china... 19 lbs.... my crux gravel bike is so much lighter
@joroproto Жыл бұрын
I like Pinarello i know is one off the top brand but to this price you can get Scott Foil RC 10 2023. Much more clever choice
@SrFederico Жыл бұрын
Pinarello is not about the clever choice. That's not their brand message, to the contrary.
@danbanham728 Жыл бұрын
Genuine question, I've noticed that a lot of road bikes seem to have gone back to shallow rims, is there a move away from deep aero rims on road bikes? or is it down to cost or some other reason?
@invisiblescout6335 Жыл бұрын
Cheaper
@bernardo9202 Жыл бұрын
more power out of the corners and better attacks, best overall racing situation, in the bunch and draft, 20mm does nothing to your aero overall performance, worst for solo rides/efforts in a flatter road. i belive
@danbanham728 Жыл бұрын
@@bernardo9202 It's interesting though a couple of years ago pretty much all road bikes were being sold with deeper aero rims and the bike industry was saying how much better they were than shallow rims, now we are back with shallow rims. I prefer the look of 50mm aero rims but that's just personal choice. Will be interesting to see what the pros are riding this summer in the GC races.
@bernardo9202 Жыл бұрын
@@danbanham728 i think if you aren't doing big solo efforts like tt, you are better off with 40mm and 28mm tyres is aero and light. But i'm no aero guru
@invisiblescout6335 Жыл бұрын
The more expensive SKUs are still coming with deeper wheels
@hyperakt1v Жыл бұрын
6000 $ for that what the hell are you paying for
@Aspireonthego Жыл бұрын
Those wheels weigh more than a hamster, legit.
@marcinstyle85 Жыл бұрын
Trash .... on this specification is worth max 3000$
@alen-commentnazi8774 Жыл бұрын
1:09 this legit sounds like the tourettes guy on youtube
@GCPerformance18 Жыл бұрын
hahahha I do not know who you are reffering too but I would love to know, please send me a link
That's pretty light for an e-bike, but I don't ride e-bikes.
@f1rstlol Жыл бұрын
that moment when my Canyon Endurace weighs 7.5kgs with pedals for half of the price, yawn.
@Greg.Sutton Жыл бұрын
About time they did this. Huge fan of the brand since the 90's. Currently own a 2021 Prince TiCR and the first thing i did was dump the fulcrum wheels. Initially i put Tyro Darc 45mm on - then went to Ultegra 8170 C50 wheels with GP5000S tyres - totally transformed the bike! My dealer offered the Dogma carbon cockpit handlebar as an upgrade aswell but i just could not justify it cost wise, but i mention it if people were thinking the same thing about upgrades. As for those complaining about the weight. Your not buying Pinarello's race bike at this price your buying something that "looks like" the race bike but with cheaper options (including carbon). You need to compare it to the outgoing Paris / Gan / Prince range.
@SrFederico Жыл бұрын
Afaik they are going to supply the race teams (minus the grand tour teams) with F frames. So they seem to be confident that they are up to the competition.
@Greg.Sutton Жыл бұрын
@@SrFederico - Yeah i saw some Pro Conti / Conti teams were getting the new F range. Doubt they will be factory spec though (might be wrong) but i bet they have the various upgrades. eg: Dura Ace, Better wheels & tyres, Carbon Cockpit etc, F7 T900 carbon version, Trimming the weight down to the near 6.8kg??
@SrFederico Жыл бұрын
@@Greg.Sutton Afaik not eben the race Dogmas are down to 6.8kg. The F12 weren't, there were complaints about it and they got the Dogma F down a bit. But Dogma was never about super lightweight, it was about a good mixture between aero and stiffness. And despite the slight overweight, they have won everything.
@Niala84199 ай бұрын
T700 layup isn't the cheapest they do, they do T600.
@babyrabies Жыл бұрын
jesus 8.8 kg without pedals?! Even my cheapass carbon rigid mtb is a full kilo lighter than this... with pedals.
@mit1978 Жыл бұрын
Just 8.7 kilos...and a loot of money🤣🤣🤣
@nelsonlopez87924 күн бұрын
Not so convincing to buy one
@Captinfun10111 ай бұрын
9:00, it’s already falling apart 😂😂😂
@GCPerformance1811 ай бұрын
how is it falling apart
@jgnpikipiki Жыл бұрын
Why don’t you put on a nice set of wheels and tyres and then reweight it, so we can get an idea of the possibilities.
@GCPerformance18 Жыл бұрын
not my bike or not my store, but I am teling you, it can be done
@SrFederico Жыл бұрын
My Prince FX in 56 with 50 mm carbon wheels, light tires, latex inner tubes weighs 8,5 kg (including Garmin pedals, bottle cages, computer mount). The weight of the frames has not changed significantly from Prince to F, the FX is about 50g less for the T900 carbon compared to the standard Prince. So I'm confident you can get the F5 in 53 down to
@LOGICAL-JAY Жыл бұрын
No more Prince and Paris??? Wow
@GCPerformance18 Жыл бұрын
Yea no more. They are discontinued them
@seanyamaguchiaerobatics3577 Жыл бұрын
Those racing 800 weight almost 2kg…
@GCPerformance18 Жыл бұрын
yea fucking insnaen
@seanyamaguchiaerobatics3577 Жыл бұрын
Prince with last gen Ultegra Di2 cost around $5500. And if you compare the groupset, the last gen Ultegra Di2 and new 105 Di2 are pretty much the same price and performance. If you swap out the wheels it’ll be a decent bike!
@savagepro9060 Жыл бұрын
Pinarello's new Insult Series . . . Pinarello w.t.F
@GCPerformance18 Жыл бұрын
hahaha
@stevengraham7627 Жыл бұрын
That's a nice bike at a lower price. Needs a few upgrades.
@spartan1o5 Жыл бұрын
Lollllll pinarello there!
@cesarsaurasilva6637 Жыл бұрын
8,79 Kg!!!!!!! My God! That's a good weight for a mountain bike! NOT A ROAD BIKE with race geometry 😂😂😂 especially for 6000 dollars!
@GCPerformance18 Жыл бұрын
hahahahha pinarello mountain bike
@aRlyWeakCyclist Жыл бұрын
Awww yiahh
@michaelsrealm9365 Жыл бұрын
Ukraine needs tanks! 💪
@michaelmechex Жыл бұрын
"you guys will say everyhting is overpriced because you want everything for free" says while looking at low end, 9kg carbon bike with garbage wheels for SIX THOUSAND DOLLARS
@GCPerformance18 Жыл бұрын
lmfao sorry, my brain is thrashed from youtube comments about how everything is overpricedd
@michaelmechex Жыл бұрын
@@GCPerformance18 it's okay, I'm sure you see it all the time and it gets annoying. And you can't even really do anything about it. Unfortunately, this bike proves us right.
@petecartaxo Жыл бұрын
I have a pinarello prince that is lighter than that
@ancogbernard Жыл бұрын
the most overrated bikes.
@robodobo22210 ай бұрын
You sound like Bubbles
@GCPerformance1810 ай бұрын
trailer park boys is a great show
@adccars359 Жыл бұрын
Freehub sound test.. 👂 🤢 🤮.
@Captinfun10111 ай бұрын
Uncomfortable, over priced, over weight, over engineered, did I say over priced?