WHATS THE DIFFERENCES? *2023 PINARELLO F5*

[@GCPerformance18]

In my opinion, Pinarello should have done this a long time ago, every other bike brand out there gives you same geometry bikes that are there top tier models and price into an entry to mid price point. I think this will be great for those new consumers to the market who are a fan of the dogma but odnt have dogma money

[@jianhuichua1154]

I don't know about this man, just like Hermès bag will not be Hermès bag if they sell with price of Louis Vuitton bag. The price is the thing that keep this bike it's prestige status. Pinarello won't be the same Pinarello anymore when you can see it a lot on the street because it has cheaper option (still not cheap thought).

[@Ghostina1]

well it is no Dogma so ... next please ;-)

[@Ghostina1]

@@jianhuichua1154 interesting way of thinking. maybe it is the new marketing idea. make it less posh...

[@charlesmansplaining]

I didn't have Pinarello money years ago so I bought a Chinese knockoff. That bike didn't stick with me, the more I looked at it the more ugly it got. So I sold it. I don't see the attraction anymore. They ride like most any other racing type of bike so it's just a gimmicky funny shaped bike. Not for everybody evidently.

[@galenkehler]

Just one note on the pronunciation, it's Italian so the parts brand is pronounced "Moist"

[@mit1978]

More than 9 kilos with pedals and bottle cages for 6000 🤣🤣🤣

[@MsPietpaaltjes]

Who even buys this crap lmao 🤣

[@bikemirror6620]

While the rider that is complaining is 90kg

[@mit1978]

@@bikemirror6620 🤣🤣🤣

[@jadelift8]

My girlfriend road bike is 9 kg and she is flying in the mountains… while my bike are 1 and a half kilo lighter…. We did a kom test at our local hills and her time is only 40second slower than me.😂😅

[@christophertan3195]

It has alu wheels lol so it could be 8.5 it also has 105 so it's heavy

[@darthvulcanis4002]

as an owner of older fulcrum wheels, i can confirm they're heavier than tank treads... but i would still buy this bike

[@chrispalmer3096]

Fulcrums are made by Campy. The ones on this bike are low spec Fulcrums as well.

[@tabachoy54]

Just bought a brand new Pinarello Gan 105 Rim for $1680. 18.6lbs stock, now I brought it down to 17lbs by changing the wheels to carbon

[@GCPerformance18]

thats a deal for sure

[@JFomo]

I like the frame and that's about it. Damn it's a heavy bike. 9kg once you add pedals. Maybe that's why it comes spec'd with a compact chainring.

[@bernardo9202]

My giant contend, claris rim brake grupo, with flat pedals, upgraded with prime attacker wheels and continental gt 500 weights under 9kg. i on't like them but rim brakes are the best choice for budget setups

[@chrisbustos4358]

@GCPerformance18, your first look of the F5 is spot on. Those Fulcrum wheels need to go. And you mentioned something about the new 2023 Cannondale Supersix Evo and I had to find out. The Evo 1 at that price point is tough to beat. For $6,500, it comes with the latest release "SRAM Force groupset, HollowGram 50 R-S wheels, and Vision Trimax Carbon Aero bars".

[@GCPerformance18]

yea exactly that is a tough bike to compete with, with the carbon wheels and a mid tier group for only 500 more

[@_cpdchua]

For real! It's competing with TCR Ultegra!

[@chrisbustos4358]

@@GCPerformance18 As you said, when looking at a Pinarello, it won't be a bargain because of the brand name/history. BUT for the F5 with the 105 Di2, they could have gone with a Shimano C46 Carbon wheelset that was launched with the new 105 Di2 groupset. As an OEM, they probably could have negotiated an even better wholesale prices. While it may eat very slightly at the margin, it's still better than the MOST Wheelset (Rebranded Metron?) they use as an additional $800 option. My opinion. The good thing is, the initial impressions from most publications (Cyclingnews, Cyclingtips, Roadbikeaction, etc..) is that the F Series rides well.

[@chrisbustos4358]

@@_cpdchua The F series and Pinarello in general won't compete in pricepoint but at least give the consumer something... The Evo 2 for retail at $5,500 comes with the Ultegra Di2, a carbon wheelset, and a carbon handlebar.

[@whizler]

Rather typical of some of these Italian brands to hide the exorbitant costs of their bikes in order to remain "competitive": pair them with the cheapest wheels they can get away with and hope the consumer doesn't notice. 19lbs is ridiculous for a bike in this price range, but if you basically want to donate cash to Pinarello, be my guest. I roll my eyes at the owners of these bikes.

[@ThaiLe-um3ch]

Looks great but I think I have to pass on this one. I’m saving up the the 2023 Cannondale. 😁

[@m.a.2282]

So you’re getting a mortgage is what you’re really telling us.

[@dogukantosun5547]

The only reason people would buy this product is the way it looks. If performance is vital for you, you can easily find much cheaper, lighter and more aero alternatives.

[@ThePaulRobertDavis]

I'll admit i hate noisy freehubs. Nothing like carving down a mountain descent with nothing but the sound of the wind rushing by and tires in the pavement.

[@keeferification]

That Italian Pinarello frame maker out of Shenzen, China.

[@galenkehler]

What you're buying is a bike with a basic training wheelset. It's honestly a good idea, since you can ride that just fine, and if you need nicer wheels for racing you can buy specific wheels for your event. Aero deep or lightweight, whatever direction you want to go.

[@Onigure]

A Lamborghini with the specs of a Twingo.

[@RoquetteAttaquer]

My heart almost exploded when I heard new pinarello is out because I just recieved my Dogma F few days before this new F is announced 😂 pewww its a affordable version thank god 😅

[@GCPerformance18]

hahahhahah I am sorry for the scare

[@Niala8419]

Fair point on the wheels, they retail in the UK online for £250! on a £5200 bike it seems like an odd pairing.

[@GCPerformance18]

yea exactly seems a little cheap

[@brentcollins9727]

“These wheels look like a piece of metal roofing”. 😂😂😂 You are so funny!!

[@GCPerformance18]

Lmao thanks

[@TheWip140]

Welcome back :) Please tell me if the cross-section / thickness of the tubes in this pinarello is the same as in the Dogma F or the tubes are smaller / thinner in the cross-section of, for example, the lower main tube and the seat tube ? What do you think would be better to choose the more aggressive for racing and great acceleration and stiffness of the Ridley Noah Fast Disc team edition or this new Pinarello F7 bike ?

[@GCPerformance18]

it is suppose to be the exact same builds of the dogma, btu I do not know the cross section measurements but they look very very similar if not identical

[@Urbanoral]

9kg por 6000 dolares, que locura, la culpa la tenemos nosotros que pagamos esos precios

[@mateos837]

How's the sizing with Pinarello F5 work? Does 53 fit you well? What's your height?

[@joegamas1194]

Super nice review 🤪 hahahaha 😂 specially at the end….lmao 🤣

[@GCPerformance18]

Thanks 😅 tried to have some Fun

[@RapNewsHD]

*My BMC SLR01 2019 rim brake 6.68 kg is laughing...* 🤣

[@louis1904]

My 6.1 KG Sworks SL6 Ultralight edition rim brake laughs more than your BMC! Any way, my DOGMA F with powermeterr and pedals is 7.2 kg!

[@jhenardvalente1970]

love your videos man you should find and review delta 7 bike frame absolute gorgeous frame

[@GCPerformance18]

Thanks so much, I will look around at them

[@christianalboroto7574]

My bike is 10.3kg all aluminum and I got it for $400 used with shimano sora groupset alloy deep rims 40mm. Makes me envious of you guys that have their bikes under 8kg.

[@JoshuaTootell]

Don't worry about it. Either just enjoy what you have, or slowly upgrade it as you go. I rode heavy bikes for years without a problem.

[@geordanelefante560]

Totally agree with the wheels .. i rather put some Visions alloys

[@GCPerformance18]

yea I mean anything but these

[@bastarddsm]

Why is the gan not mentioned? That’s the entry level bike, my 51.5 with cages and pedals is right at 18lbs.

[@ernestoechevers4741]

actually here in Panama the paris is the cheapest Pina then the gan an that is only because they only make it in 600 carbon to avoid it overlapping with the Prince i guess the gan will still be made who knows

[@simonderoo9189]

The gan has been discontinued for a while, the Paris and prince are now replaced with the Pinarello X and Pinarello F models

[@bastarddsm]

Many shops still have it available, sad to see it go. I absolutely hate disk and wish rim brakes were still offered.

[@GCPerformance18]

they are going to be phasing that bike out as well

[@louis1904]

DOGMA F in crystal white colour. The nicest bike!

[@Caritoooo]

$4500 for this a good price? It’s on sale right now, but feel like going for a canyon bike

[@nellyx1x493]

Dang that's heavy. I don't get it, I own a decade old XC mtb 29er with front suss that weighs the same as this.... I prefer my 'road' bikes to be around 6.8kg, old skool style. Dig the style of this, and the concept, but it needs to be lighter. New 105 must be the boat anchor, as the rest looks reasonable.

[@Jacob99174]

Yes

[@JDRVP]

No thanks. My 2016 BMC Teammachine SLR01 Ultegra di2 weighs 16lbs 9oz with ENVE SES 6.7 wheels, pedals, bottle cages, front and rear lights and wahoo element bolt. That freehub sound is so anemic😂

[@descending_dudu]

Bro really said : It's like they shove concrete inside that little hole💀

[@LordAus123]

It was never about good enough; it was about perfection.

[@GCPerformance18]

its a nice bike for sure

[@stfu6397]

🤥

[@piratepediatrics]

Beautiful bikes! Glad they are doing this with F series. However no different than my Trek Emonda SL5. Same specs, weight, etc. mine is mechanical however. I would confided if in the market. GC have you heard of Mason out of tHE UK? If you can get a Definition I’d love a review!

[@GCPerformance18]

I have not heard of mason, I have to check them out but I doubt I can geht them

[@kimwarner6050]

My 2022 Pinarello Paris weighs 16.4 lb without pedals with scram Rival 1x. I'm pretty sure I can lose at 1.5 lbs more. Pinarello out here taking advantage of people.

[@jasontillero966]

I'm laughing at you because a few videos back you had a fix for the front wheel turning with the wind. Where's the other stand for the front wheel? Lol

[@GCPerformance18]

hahahhaha I am thinking the wind is going to calm down but it only gets worse

[@mohamadkhanafer7978]

Does this come pre semi assembled in the box or would I have to put it together piece by piece

[@allisgood.6191]

Chinarello all the way

[@mrfillebojj5731]

almost the same weight anyway, haha

[@Raffaxxx]

Nice video dude,but your phone has some issues.The sound of the video is cracking as f..k :)

[@GCPerformance18]

yes I got a new mic now I am sorry for that

[@Raffaxxx]

@@GCPerformance18 Thank you , subscribed:)

[@romankleinstein5322]

Great review ! Can you tell me weight difference if F10 frame vs new F frame ? I have a 590 F10 and wonder if the new F would be much lighter and stiffer. Thanks in advance. Cheers

[@tommyfreckmann6857]

The F is less stiff than the F10, the F10 is slightly lighter too. Source is from Tour Magazin.

[@edwardbntz8825]

A pinarello sign right there 😂😂😂😂

[@adam65407]

Thank you for the video. There will be definitely people who will want to buy this bicycle. More choice is always better. Do I like it? Not really. It is ok looking but not stunning in any particular way. It is like buying a nice brand car - Mercedes, Bmw, Audi, etc. and not adding any options like bigger wheels, leather upholstery. It just looks very basic and it does not stand out out form the crowd in any way. For me a bicycle should make me smile. This one fails to do so.

[@GCPerformance18]

you are very welcome, I try to give everyone a good look at the bike form all points and give them weights as well, really helps people decide what they want to do with there decision

[@Ghostina1]

If haven't have already a Dogma F MyWay ... i would never choose the Pinarello F ... i would rather opt for the SuperSix Evo. Maybe the the LAB71!

[@ekm3820]

Damn! That’s a tank😂

[@ernestoechevers4741]

looks like a dogma F from far away but i resembles more a prince with a straight down tube and seat stay where it matches the seat tube

[@rolandcolavizza5368]

Most mid range disc brake bikes weigh a tone , even the giant propel advanced 2 weights 9kg , better off going for a light rim brake...

[@GCPerformance18]

yea there a lot of other option out there for this price point to get another bike

[@timm6876]

Calling out a "entry level" bike for being $6K is not expecting everything for free. It's expecting not to be raped and abused.

[@GCPerformance18]

this is pinarellos verison of someone wanting to get there race geometry at an affordable price, just reading the webpage

[@user-cu7cn1km7i]

Hi Brother. Is there any difference in the geometry reach and stack of the new F compared to the previous prince?

[@GCPerformance18]

it wasnt exact same but the prince was there race geometry mid tier price point, but not exact

[@savagepro9060]

If you discontinue Prince and Paris, include PinarelLOW King and London!

[@markhennings7207]

Spent about 500 miles on it and so far so good. kzbin.infoUgkxMesz3KOGEmwmvyKQfLfrRSUXLFzfVHZA Pros:1. Very light2. Solid quality build3. Fast delivery: It arrived 5 weeks earlier than expected.4. Easy assemblyJust a few cons but nothing major:1. Cheap tin tubes and had flat on first day... but not a big deal. I replaced the tubes.2. Seat is a bit uncomfortable but that's pretty much the same situation with most bikes.3. Seat post is a bit long/high for a smaller size 48 bike - had to saw 2 inch off to fit properly. The lowest setting is too high. The post locking system does not seem to hold well (perhaps because I saw 2 inch off).4. wheels are not tubeless compatible (from what I can tell)

[@Bradbajc]

3:38 Don't forget the F9 😁

[@GCPerformance18]

okay, yea I was unsure if they had an f9 but thank you for clearing it up

[@maciejbielawski6220]

My Time vxrs weigts under 7 kg and costs 1000E.

[@stevenfreeman7798]

Have a planet x pro carbon with those wheels with rival axis etap same weight £2295 lol!.

[@highfived]

Entry level ?

[@GCPerformance18]

lmao, yes this is there entry level race geometry bike they have to offer

[@lambo79]

😂

[@tomrachellesfirstdance7843]

Hard to believe people will buy this. No wonder bikes sales are slowing down

[@Zwooder_editz111]

I'm assuming these new frames will be disc only?

[@GCPerformance18]

yes they are, but it can be mechanical

[@Colinke]

60~70 % of Fulcrum wheelsets are made in Taiwan, except for the high end series.

[@GCPerformance18]

I wouldnt doubt it after seeing those wheels, they were trash

[@sparkmadd_IZM]

Trailer Park Boys! FTW

[@GCPerformance18]

hahahha I did not even think of that but I am rewatrching trailer park boys right now so maybe subconsciously I did this lol

[@Hperge]

OEM wheels on a 6000 $ bike, come on.... (did it come with a dork disc and a bell ?)

[@GCPerformance18]

hahahha they do come with dork disc as well, even sworks do

[@dhirajmasandful]

Specialised allez beats this tank hands down.

[@GCPerformance18]

the allez sprint for sure

[@3TXR]

lol my disc break time trial bike with 2x 80mm wheels incl. bottles is lighter than this brick of a bike

[@timetrialist]

I was about to buy a Dogma F until I watched this video. I decided not to looks like Pinarello is no longer exclusive

[@GCPerformance18]

yea I am sure some people are bummed by this

[@user-cu7cn1km7i]

Does the new X series have the same exact endurance geometry as the previous Paris?

[@GCPerformance18]

I do not know this as I have not seen this or have any info yet once i get my hands on somethign I can speak on it

[@user-cu7cn1km7i]

@@GCPerformance18 Thanks GC

[@davidgiroux6047]

Made in china... 19 lbs.... my crux gravel bike is so much lighter

[@joroproto]

I like Pinarello i know is one off the top brand but to this price you can get Scott Foil RC 10 2023. Much more clever choice

[@SrFederico]

Pinarello is not about the clever choice. That's not their brand message, to the contrary.

[@danbanham728]

Genuine question, I've noticed that a lot of road bikes seem to have gone back to shallow rims, is there a move away from deep aero rims on road bikes? or is it down to cost or some other reason?

[@invisiblescout6335]

Cheaper

[@bernardo9202]

more power out of the corners and better attacks, best overall racing situation, in the bunch and draft, 20mm does nothing to your aero overall performance, worst for solo rides/efforts in a flatter road. i belive

[@danbanham728]

@@bernardo9202 It's interesting though a couple of years ago pretty much all road bikes were being sold with deeper aero rims and the bike industry was saying how much better they were than shallow rims, now we are back with shallow rims. I prefer the look of 50mm aero rims but that's just personal choice. Will be interesting to see what the pros are riding this summer in the GC races.

[@bernardo9202]

@@danbanham728 i think if you aren't doing big solo efforts like tt, you are better off with 40mm and 28mm tyres is aero and light. But i'm no aero guru

[@invisiblescout6335]

The more expensive SKUs are still coming with deeper wheels

[@hyperakt1v]

6000 $ for that what the hell are you paying for

[@Aspireonthego]

Those wheels weigh more than a hamster, legit.

[@marcinstyle85]

Trash .... on this specification is worth max 3000$

[@alen-commentnazi8774]

1:09 this legit sounds like the tourettes guy on youtube

[@GCPerformance18]

hahahha I do not know who you are reffering too but I would love to know, please send me a link

[@alen-commentnazi8774]

@@GCPerformance18 kzbin.info/www/bejne/fXaQgot6ba2pbMU

[@Alejandro_BoniIIa]

1:08 the demons were let out again

[@GCPerformance18]

hahahah

[@trroland1248]

That's pretty light for an e-bike, but I don't ride e-bikes.

[@f1rstlol]

that moment when my Canyon Endurace weighs 7.5kgs with pedals for half of the price, yawn.

[@Greg.Sutton]

About time they did this. Huge fan of the brand since the 90's. Currently own a 2021 Prince TiCR and the first thing i did was dump the fulcrum wheels. Initially i put Tyro Darc 45mm on - then went to Ultegra 8170 C50 wheels with GP5000S tyres - totally transformed the bike! My dealer offered the Dogma carbon cockpit handlebar as an upgrade aswell but i just could not justify it cost wise, but i mention it if people were thinking the same thing about upgrades. As for those complaining about the weight. Your not buying Pinarello's race bike at this price your buying something that "looks like" the race bike but with cheaper options (including carbon). You need to compare it to the outgoing Paris / Gan / Prince range.

[@SrFederico]

Afaik they are going to supply the race teams (minus the grand tour teams) with F frames. So they seem to be confident that they are up to the competition.

[@Greg.Sutton]

@@SrFederico - Yeah i saw some Pro Conti / Conti teams were getting the new F range. Doubt they will be factory spec though (might be wrong) but i bet they have the various upgrades. eg: Dura Ace, Better wheels & tyres, Carbon Cockpit etc, F7 T900 carbon version, Trimming the weight down to the near 6.8kg??

[@SrFederico]

@@Greg.Sutton Afaik not eben the race Dogmas are down to 6.8kg. The F12 weren't, there were complaints about it and they got the Dogma F down a bit. But Dogma was never about super lightweight, it was about a good mixture between aero and stiffness. And despite the slight overweight, they have won everything.

[@Niala8419]

T700 layup isn't the cheapest they do, they do T600.

[@babyrabies]

jesus 8.8 kg without pedals?! Even my cheapass carbon rigid mtb is a full kilo lighter than this... with pedals.

[@mit1978]

Just 8.7 kilos...and a loot of money🤣🤣🤣

[@nelsonlopez879]

Not so convincing to buy one

[@Captinfun101]

9:00, it’s already falling apart 😂😂😂

[@GCPerformance18]

how is it falling apart

[@jgnpikipiki]

Why don’t you put on a nice set of wheels and tyres and then reweight it, so we can get an idea of the possibilities.

[@GCPerformance18]

not my bike or not my store, but I am teling you, it can be done

[@SrFederico]

My Prince FX in 56 with 50 mm carbon wheels, light tires, latex inner tubes weighs 8,5 kg (including Garmin pedals, bottle cages, computer mount). The weight of the frames has not changed significantly from Prince to F, the FX is about 50g less for the T900 carbon compared to the standard Prince. So I'm confident you can get the F5 in 53 down to

[@LOGICAL-JAY]

No more Prince and Paris??? Wow

[@GCPerformance18]

Yea no more. They are discontinued them

[@seanyamaguchiaerobatics3577]

Those racing 800 weight almost 2kg…

[@GCPerformance18]

yea fucking insnaen

[@seanyamaguchiaerobatics3577]

Prince with last gen Ultegra Di2 cost around $5500. And if you compare the groupset, the last gen Ultegra Di2 and new 105 Di2 are pretty much the same price and performance. If you swap out the wheels it’ll be a decent bike!

[@savagepro9060]

Pinarello's new Insult Series . . . Pinarello w.t.F

[@GCPerformance18]

hahaha

[@stevengraham7627]

That's a nice bike at a lower price. Needs a few upgrades.

[@spartan1o5]

Lollllll pinarello there!

[@cesarsaurasilva6637]

8,79 Kg!!!!!!! My God! That's a good weight for a mountain bike! NOT A ROAD BIKE with race geometry 😂😂😂 especially for 6000 dollars!

[@GCPerformance18]

hahahahha pinarello mountain bike

[@aRlyWeakCyclist]

Awww yiahh

[@michaelsrealm9365]

Ukraine needs tanks! 💪

[@michaelmechex]

"you guys will say everyhting is overpriced because you want everything for free" says while looking at low end, 9kg carbon bike with garbage wheels for SIX THOUSAND DOLLARS

[@GCPerformance18]

lmfao sorry, my brain is thrashed from youtube comments about how everything is overpricedd

[@michaelmechex]

@@GCPerformance18 it's okay, I'm sure you see it all the time and it gets annoying. And you can't even really do anything about it. Unfortunately, this bike proves us right.

[@petecartaxo]

I have a pinarello prince that is lighter than that

[@ancogbernard]

the most overrated bikes.

[@robodobo222]

You sound like Bubbles

[@GCPerformance18]

trailer park boys is a great show

[@adccars359]

Freehub sound test.. 👂 🤢 🤮.

[@Captinfun101]

Uncomfortable, over priced, over weight, over engineered, did I say over priced?