What is Epic Doom Metal? (Dark Souls of Music)

[@whatsinameme5258]

Forgive me for the abrupt sound at the end. It wasn't there before oddly enough. Songs used: Solitude, Crystal Ball, and Under the Oak by Candlemass. Thirsty and Miserable by Saint Vitus. Queen of the Masquerade by Crimson Glory. A Little Fire by Cirith Ungol. Heaven and Hell by (Dio Era) Black Sabbath. Heaven and hell (Sabbath Cover), Mirror of Sorrow, and Destiny Falls to Ruin by Solitude Aeturnus. N.I.B., Paranoid, and War Pigs by (Ozzy Era) Black Sabbath. Secret Mountain, Tidecaller, Blackened Sun, and Angel's Blood by Bell. Free Country by Witchfinder General. Visions and The Battle by Sorcerer. The River Dragon Has Come, Believe in Nothing, Inside Four Walls, Sell My Heart For Stones, and Emptiness Unobstructed by Nevermore. Sol Invictus by Atlantean Kodex. Sorrow of the Angels by While Heaven Wept. All is Accomplished by Forsaken. One by One They Died by Procession. Most of the artwork used is by Frank Frazetta if anyone is curious.

[@radiosavior6361]

The early Power Metal/Power Metal mixed with Doom Metal is something I call "Epic Metal".

[@terrapin-yob]

candlemass' vocal style reminds me of jack skellington from a nightmare before christmas. I can't unhear this

[@whatsinameme5258]

Yeah, I can hear some similarities, haha.

[@Malum09]

The Guitar Tone on Epic Doom is so good, also I would say that The Last Dio Sabbath Album, the one released under the band moniker of Heaven and Hell is their true Epic Doom album.

[@alexandrunae9378]

I love doom and power metal so this is beyond fantastic. Candlemass is one of my favorite bands

[@10hawell]

Dark Souls of music is dungeon synth

[@zippovu]

literally

[@adamc.b.4378]

What you said at 6:20 is why I love this channel. Few can convey that type of thing well in a sentence.

[@KabareKeimado]

My favorite genre of music! The best album ever is Scald's " Will of The Gods Is Great Power". But I also consider Bathory's Hammerheart an epic doom metal album

[@whatsinameme5258]

It's becoming a favourite of mine as well. Will check those out.

[@lordkardok5845]

Bathory's Hammerheart is a Viking Metal album, afaik it is the FIRST Viking Metal album. I personally prefer Bathory's Black Metal to their Viking metal, but I don't think there is any ambiguity to the claim that Quorthon is the patriarch of the Viking Metal genre, compared to the endless shitstorm about who started Black Metal between Bathory and Venom.

[@neuroisis85]

​@@lordkardok5845 Yeah but Viking Metal is just Epic Metal with left over bits of Black Metal and Folk. I wouldn't call Hammerheart "Doom" but the Doom is in there because it's present in all forms of Epic Metal.

[@sillylittleboy93]

thi channel is honestly my go to for finding new music. Keep up the amazing work!

[@surjackeroff]

just discovered your channel. great stuff.

[@weldrum7226]

Hey! Thank you so much for putting BELL on here 🤘 Cheers from the Guitarist/Vocalist

[@whatsinameme5258]

Cheers! Thanks for the cool tunes! You're welcome!

[@coldalex420]

For the whole video I was waiting for you to mention Crypt Sermon. Was really surprised it wasn't even included in your list of newer bands in this style. Anyone who likes epic doom metal or just metal in general should check them out, especially the album 'Ruins of fading light'. Incredibly slept on band.

[@whatsinameme5258]

I will check it out!

[@ATEN_DNAR]

One of my favorite genres. This video gave me a lot of great recommendations.

[@losingluke]

metal is so much more extensive than most people will never know

[@nickcoleman32]

Thanks for sharing this. Its crazy how i missed this entire genre! Definitely a sound I was looking for. Rock on

[@abyss9316]

Just found your channel recently after your latest upload I have to say you have an amazing Channel all your videos are great I've heard quite a few bands I've never heard anybody else on KZbin mention quite surprising actually glad to have learned so much from your videos

[@heyyou8714]

There was a band that I couldn't remember for the longest time that I was able to find here. Solitude aeturnus. I heard scent of death a couple years back and took a liking to them but as my playlist expanded I lost them. Thanks for posting these in depth dealios

[@shroomlord682]

great video, definitely checking those bands out, idk how you dont have more subs

[@Tonbizzle]

I 100% agree, the tone of the music itself is more indicative of the genre than the lyrical content. When you hear droning guitars, or a trap beat, that's telling you what to be feeling, and the lyrics can adjust the mood left or right a bit, giving you a smile or a frown while you shoe-gaze or dance.

[@thoushaltremain]

I just looove when you drop your own particular insightful perspective. It's so refreshing that it's reviving my motivation to listen to new music, which I thought I had lost. Now I'm hoping some day someone does an EBM cover of "let the bodys hit the floor".

[@kilo15]

I love this video title because whenever I play Souls games or the Berserk musou game I play Candlemass or Solitude Aeturnus in the background

[@ReinoRankaisija]

I'm an old school doom head and it's so hard to come by any coverage on the kind of doom that I like. Or new bands. There are so few really good bands compared to any other genre. Thanks a lot for this!

[@TheMrShnickers]

CIRITH UNGOL MENTIONEDDDD. But thank you for this vid I’ve been looking for new music and this has treasure trove for it. Doom metal is one of my absolute favs in the metal genre

[@varyagace]

Holy shit. I have been getting back into playing guitar recently, and I've been trying to pin down what brings my tastes together, what could constitute "My sound". I think this video just succintly put everything I like about music and want to sound like, into a singular thing. Yes, I love Candlemass. Yes, Heaven and Hell is my favorite Sabbath album, alongside the other standalone album The Devil You Know. This was, completely unironically, the most enlightening video I've watched on KZbin in AGES. I legitimately feel like my eyes have been opened. Grant us eyes. I love themes like Dark Souls and Bloodborne, and I had to keep pausing the video to go save the other bands you mentioned to my Spotify. Bell sounds absolutely fucking AMAZING. This is exactly what I want to sound like, somewhere between Dream Theater and Mastodon, with a flavor of Doom.

[@whatsinameme5258]

That's awesome to hear. Thank you!

[@Dailo_Ma]

I first heard Candlemass during a family car ride when i was like 9, been a fan since. If you like the operatic style vocals you should DEFINITELY check out Mirror of Deception, their song Ghost is absolutely iconic and even though instrumentally its not as flashy as most epic doom stuff, the vocals are phenomenal and very sorrowful.

[@MegaMicah12]

I would have never guessed Epic Doom would have Power metal influence of any sort. But yeah, it really does have that.

[@kamatsutra7031]

Man, what a good video. Greetings from Brazil, hope you get more than a million subs one day.

[@whatsinameme5258]

Aw, thank you! Cheers from Canada!

[@mathewbouse1105]

Using Dio as the image for power metal is unfathomably based

[@StellarSteven]

I too had this thought that epic doom metal is like dark souls.

[@krystofbrichta4214]

A great vid yet again ! 7:51 fokin relatable m8

[@ribeiroeribeiro]

It's been a while since I've watched your stuff or comented, but I'm going on a binge right now. Would love to hear your takes on music outside rock/metal. Especially hip hop / rap which is probably my most listened to overarching genre.

[@ATEN_DNAR]

I really like The Day You Built the Wall by Nevermore. It makes me think of man vainly slaving away to build the tower of Babel.

[@whatsinameme5258]

Honestly Nevermore is one of my favourite bands. One of the few bands whose ballads hit as hard as their heavier material. Sentient 6 is another that always gets me.

[@ATEN_DNAR]

@@whatsinameme5258 I went ahead and listened to Sentient 6, and, yeah, it's awesome. I might still be acquiring the taste for this band, but I don't find a lot of Nevermore's "regular" metal songs as engaging as a few standouts. But those standout songs are really good.

[@PropagandasaurusRex]

Most underrated and forgotten Epic Doom band: Count Raven from Sweden. Especially the first two albums are great.

[@loweffortproductions1985]

Welp, now I gotta make an Epic Doom cover of WAP. brb

[@fahrezirafid8]

Give me some sad Epic Doom Metal songs like "Mirror Of Sorrow" & "Solitude" !

[@FedeMayhemile.]

It can be said that Epic Doom objectively borrows only 3 elements from Power Metal, the operatic vocal technique, the lyrical fantasy based theme, but darker (though this depends, as not all bands do this) & maybe the use of some classical influences, but you must consider the fact that the originators of the concept, 'Candlemass', started out and existed in the 80's, the time in which most Metal bands used some of those elements (excluding Death Metal, obviously) it's not a Power Metal subgenre or fusion, because beyond those 3 elements (and the evident contrasting tone/atmosphere) the compositional style/techniques are clearly different, bands that do borrow from PM are 'Sorcerer' and 'Memory Garden' for example, it also shares the 'not very serious' and sometimes 'cheesy' attitude from the era, thing that the darker/original sounding Epic Doom bands like 'later Solitude Aeturnus', 'Isole' & 'Night Gaunt' tend to delete/modify and make their own sound, it's a Doom Metal subgenre, and btw, early Black Sabbath is called 'Proto-Doom' for a reason, Iommi laid some basic elements, but their sound is closer to Stoner/Doom than to Trad Doom, as that sound was fully developed in the 80's by bands like Saint Vitus & Trouble, the Ozzy Era's only almost full-on Doom Metal song is 'Black Sabbath'.

[@statiic_hydra8678]

After hearing some of the samples from candlemass, I think I will really like Epic Doom Metal when I get around to it (i have a system for listening to music). Will you be making a video on Industrial Metal?

[@whatsinameme5258]

Eventually!

[@Astro2XA]

Doom is one of my favorite genres of metal - particularly the slower and more depressive styles. Big fan of While Heaven Wept and Atlantean Kodex and I'm very happy to see both get mentioned. One question I have for you in particular cause I'm kind of mixed on it myself - Warning's Watching from a Distance; would you consider it Epic Doom? It does fit into the genre with the operatic-esque vocals and the more slowed down rhythms and melodies, but at the same time it feels completely different than the likes of Candlemass or Solitude Aeternus.

[@whatsinameme5258]

Yes, I would call it Epic Doom. I don't know quite how to explain it, but newer Epic Doom has a different vibe than the 80s and 90s stuff. Its less whimsical aand more straight up depressing it seems. Almost seems closer to Funeral Doom. There is probably some crossover between these styles. I will be covering Funeral Doom soon in this series.

[@Astro2XA]

@@whatsinameme5258 I 100% agree. Epic Doom most definitely has a different feel and vibe nowadays. Not that it's a bad thing, it's just... different. I can't wait for your episode on Funeral Doom. Probably my favorite Doom subgenre even though it's probably the hardest to get into. Am excited to hear your opinions on it!

[@mr.echo24]

Great video man! Would you call the band Trouble (Specifically the song The Tempeter) Traditional Doom Metal or Epic Doom Metal?

[@jackko21]

Ok now i need someone to do a epic doom version of wap

[@grzegorzbrzeczyszczykiewic8954]

For me The Great Epic Doom Metal Trinity is Candlemass, Solitude Aeturnus and Solstice. But that's just me

[@looseleaf8721]

You probably have another video planned, but I think a video of jazz metal would be sick. It's like djent but more proggy. Using saxophones and keyboards and shit. CKRAFT did a great album embodying this style.

[@garlandcassadajr5352]

Lord Vigo, Godthrymm, and Below are all lesser known bands that are awesome.

[@Beastlango]

Doomsword mixes doom and power, but I don’t think I would call them epic doom

[@apolloxeon]

Bell sounds pretty good ngl

[@whatsinameme5258]

Yeah, I'm enjoying that album a lot, and super underrated too!

[@weldrum7226]

Thanks dude!! /The singer from BELL 🤘

[@vikgrig8015]

Please do one on Power Metal and USPM.

[@Navarothravenheart2688]

Epic doom scene is inseparable from this specific uspm/epic heavy niche, so I treat it all as different approaches to same music phenomenon. Best part of metal scene in my opinion.

[@dvrkzen]

With that kind of guitars I would do epic Doom Electronic, damn... so good. Any guitarist willing to cooperate maybe?

[@metalwizard5502]

1:40

[@DarkMetalGortex]

My kind of Doom

[@benhurley6687]

Wouldn’t Opeth also be considered epic doom? Albeit with Prog and Death metal influences as well.

[@whatsinameme5258]

Doom influence for sure. Not so sure about Power Metal influence, but I could see the argument for Epic Doom.

[@PapaMetal47]

I don't quite have the ear for the makings of a subgenre, but would you consider Khemmis Epic Doom?

[@careful...Icarus]

Anything Iommi is on is true doom. Even the coughing on Sweet Leaf is fucking doom. Great video. Vacuuming burrrrrrritosssssssss...in hell.

[@KelvinFlores-nw7zp]

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[@Nadinetherescuehound]

Wouldn't Merciful fate be in the same category as candlemass. How is Melissa or Abigail not even mentioned on a comparison offshoot. How can you talk about operatic vocals affecting the meaning and miss Fate/King. Satan's Fall? And Melissa being sacrificed to fulfill her purpose to live on. "She's with me every day."

[@whatsinameme5258]

I like Mercyful Fate but I wouldn't class them as Epic Doom. They are more NWOBHM sound meets Occult Rock. Think Judas Priest and Blue Oyster Cult mixed together. Totally different vibe than Epic Doom Metal. Some would also argue Mercyful Fate is some sort of Proto-Black Metal as well, though this is mostly due the satanic themes, which are notably absent in Epic Doom. Though I see where you are coming from. I hear some Candlemass-ish moments, here and there.

[@atvena]

Cathedral

[@3_14pie]

"the dark souls of X" is usually a horrible take, but in this case, yeah, you're spot on

[@arbuznazarov9326]

what's that Sorcerer album called? upd: nevermind, found it, it's Anno 1503

[@whatsinameme5258]

Yeah it's strange. Some places it's just called "Demo" other places it's called that. I had difficulty finding the lyrics, not that they are hard to understand thankfully.

[@EasyM.]

Epic Doom is awesome. Might i recommend ALTAR OF OBLIVION to the listeners. Epic Doom of the highest quality.

[@deadlegs187]

May I suggest a little Electric Wizard to spice up ya souls adventure

[@AussoOnePlus]

Isole from Sweden

[@acoustov]

wap doom time

[@whatsinameme5258]

This makes me think of that Family Guy meme with the Elephant Penguin. God: *looks at Wap Doom* "What the hell is this?"

[@radiosavior6361]

@@whatsinameme5258 Glam Doom Metal

[@whatsinameme5258]

@@radiosavior6361 Actually it would probably end up sounding like Alice in Chains

[@radiosavior6361]

@@whatsinameme5258 Album telling a story of adventurer being seduced by beautiful demon girl when? Edit:And possibly, yeah

[@atvena]

Pentagram

[@Wilcocliw]

3:06 what song is this?

[@whatsinameme5258]

Under the Oak

[@Brachiophore]

If Dark Souls is Epic Doom Metal, than Bloodborne would be either Black Metal or Death Metal. The visual aesthetics are more like Black Metal, but the brutal combat and lore fit the sound and lyrical themes of Death Metal. Maybe: DS = Epic Doom Bloodborne = Blackened Death Metal DS2 = Melodic Death Metal DS3 = Atmospheric Black Metal Kingsfield = Dungeon Synth

[@KelvinFlores-nw7zp]

Songs?

[@tyrkiske03]

Song ? 0:42

[@whatsinameme5258]

Under the Oak: Candlemass. Songs are in my pinned comment btw.

[@tyrkiske03]

@@whatsinameme5258 my fault, thanks

[@Cowboyfromhell1234]

Under the oak frok first album

[@andre1377]

Tommy iomi king of metal

[@AkiWataru]

bell is like folk doom metal lmao

[@CarlosDLimaArt]

Ahem! Where Power Metal?

[@whatsinameme5258]

I will get to it. Been on a doom kick lately

[@tanzzz3170]

​​​@@whatsinameme5258 Try Blind Guardian, Nightfall in Middle Earth is probably the best power metal album. They are as great as Iron Maiden , Opeth and the like IMHO..

[@salttrap1740]

Reading Berserk and listening to epic doom is better than sex

[@whatsinameme5258]

Probably

[@jean-philippegrignom6479]

When I was a teenager this is all I would listen to ahaha Idk Now I find it kind of cringe

[@Barneyboy-uw3ux]

I genuinely don't think you can call Black Sabbath doom metal. Through hindsight it's clear that Black Sabbath has a doom metal sound, but I don't think I would label the original heavy metal band with a subgenre... I feel like doing that defeats the purpose of them being the "first". Additionally, I feel like it was never Black Sabbaths intent to follow any particular path and I think labelling it purely doom also defeats that purpose. Like the sound of Black Sabbath and Sabbath Bloody Sabbath is completely different and I would say there is no clear distinction... Candlemass seems more likely to be the first doom metal band than Sabbath.

[@KelvinFlores-nw7zp]

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