When 60 Intel CPUs Are Too Much: The Reason Behind The MAC Movement - Tech Deals

[@davidlazarus67]

AMD have messed up. I certainly wouldn’t mind swapping full fat cores for efficiency cores. Though should compensate with more efficiency cores. So maybe 6 cores to 4 cores plus 4 efficiency cores would be better option.

[@rattlehead999]

AMD's C-cores are full fledged cores, with all the instructions and Hyper-Threading, intel's E-Cores have fewer instructions and many programs can't utilize them. AMD's approach is overall better. 4P + 4C or even 4P + 8C cores will be great. 4P + 8C cores should consume as much as 8P cores. Intel needs 2.4E cores to equal equal 1P core without hyper-threading and again they don't have all the instructions. Intel's solution is better for laptops and casual users for sure.

[@rotmistrzjanm8776]

@@rattlehead999 Sure but you miss the point - intel's E-cores are free extras meanwhile AMD is taking full fledged normal cores and replaces them with worse C-cores while pretending they are the same.

[@rattlehead999]

@@rotmistrzjanm8776Intel's E cores are not free extras. 3.7x e-cores = 1 big core in terms of die size(cost and price) and 2.5x E-cores consume as much as 1x P-core. Those aren't free extras. You pay for die size after all.

[@TechDeals]

The i9-9900K was $500 and 8 P Cores The i9-14900K is $550 and is 8 P Cores and 16 E Cores You're getting the E Cores for free. :)

[@rattlehead999]

@@TechDeals The i9 9900k was on 14nm and the i9 14900k is on 10nm. Plus intel have reduced their profit margins. It's not free. The i9 9900k is 180mm^2 and the i9 13900k is 257mm^2 on a more expensive process node.

[@RealTechnoPanda]

Big shoutout to Windows 10 OEM keys for syncing up with Windows 11!

[@BareFox]

Amazing site for the CD Keys!

[@progmistro]

I'd like to see 4c cores in Chromebook since their Intel pentium/atom/celeron line up sucks and should not cost as much as they do in current laptops

[@stopthefomo]

definitely i'm behind the MAC movement

[@nicklasyngberg1436]

No one can sigh like a middle aged man. But when there's less than 100 seconds between the sighs, you need a break. Rogue, take him on vacation

[@CeasiusC]

Intel and AMD are leapfrogging their confusing product names

[@frommatorav1]

I like the technology of having small cores and think it's a good option if you want longer battery. I don't like that some have all large cores that share the same sku as one that includes small cores. the skus should be different and disclosed. Nobody should be tricked into getting something they didn't intend to get.

[@sezwo5774]

And still no CPU's with superfast p-cores and limited e-cores. I wish there was a lineup with only 4 e-cores.

[@EmilePesky-n1v]

Amd are starting to go a bit crazy with ryzen 5000 series too. Off the top of my head you have 5500, 5500x3d, 5600, 5600x, 5600x3d,5700, 5700x, 5700x3d, 5800x, 5800x3d, 5900, 5950.. I might have missed some. Then there's the ones with igpus and I guess mobile ones too?

[@LiLBitsDK]

it was so much easier in the old days where they didn't make a new SKU every 100 MHz from 2GHz to 6GHz... we had what 6-10 different desktop chips or so? and don't dis the 13100.... I have a 12100 and I am VERY HAPPY with it, it sips power, it games well enough for my needs and it was "fairly" cheap even though this is Europe... I have had a 5800X and a 3070 TI... but "downgraded" long ago to a 12100 and 3060 TI and are quite happy with it and it's power usage.

[@milescarter7803]

So yes, in mobile Zen4c is a great idea (in fact get rid of the full cores altogether). Double the GPU cores. High end 24, low end 8 minimum, maybe 4-6 on an 'Athlon'

[@RedGamingTech]

Great vid ❤

[@CSTLDraenei]

1:42 Rogues expression LOL!!!!!

[@peterwstacey]

It's not just AMD and Intel (although Intel are the worst). Look at motherboard manufacturers, creating so many SKUs. Or Nvidia releasing so many high-end products from the same silicon (which graphics card manufacturers then also proliferate). Each of these require release testing and customer support, hence rising costs for the consumer

[@milescarter7803]

I have no problem treating Zen4c as the same. If their construction is the same it makes total sense. Logically the turbo boost speed on all core goes down. So if you can free die area using space optimized cores that would only ever see those reduced clock speeds anyway, I'm not sure what we are losing. Something we never really had?

[@MRNVCDIY]

very cool pc, run good with widnows 11 pro

[@myamaha62]

It’s laptop CPU’s. No one should really be doing anything important on a laptop. My opinion.

[@PejicVladimir]

Thanks for the Windows 10 key recommendation!

[@Деазнам]

Great video and thanks for the windows discount!

[@simonebaraldi9440]

Maybe you have already explained, but what happened with your twitter? Is it locked for subscribers only or something?

[@TechDeals]

I'm not posting on Twitter anymore.

[@simonebaraldi9440]

Oh, i see... so only patreon posts?

[@franksam8610]

I don’t own a laptop and if I get one I need 8gb with 512gb drive or ssd when I do for a car tool to diagnose and code my cars

[@PizzlesTechTime]

I already have CPU headroom with my thread ripper using premiere Pro. Unfortunately my RAM and GPU are being pushed the most. I have 3 M.2 drives at minimum. I was also considering a PCIe NVMe expansion. Something is telling me that 28 PCIe Lanes is not going to be enough and I should fork up the money for HEDT again.

[@TechDeals]

Boards with 6 M.2 slots exist now... I have one at the office with 5 M.2 slots, no riser cards required. There is no HEDT for normal people, it's been dead for a few years now. The PCIe lanes have improved on consumer platforms.

[@PizzlesTechTime]

@@TechDeals Yes I was thinking the same. I just wasn't sure how many I could use if I only had 16 PCIe Lanes left over after GPU. I suppose if I'm only reading and writing to two at a time I wouldn't be having any issue. Maybe I should should go R9 or I9 and actually save some money then. The 7000 series threadripper seemed interesting for an upgrade.

[@Falco75]

Nice video!

[@ZeroHourProductions407]

Older Macs are repairable, serviceable, and once upgraded, quite performant. Apple ARM platforms are ultra locked. You cannot replace any of the memory, processor, graphics, or boot storage on a Macintosh Apple wants to sell you now. For a notebook, you also cant replace the screen, battery or keyboard and trackpad either. And anyone with more than a single digit IQ, wont willingly buy into such an instant e-waste. So rather than make a better product that is repairable and usable, Apple wants to wall off the environment with mandatory software updates.

[@TechDeals]

I miss the beige PowerMacs... I did quite a business with those in the 90s, you could take a dozen broken machines and get half a dozen working ones by swapping it all around. Then again, Apple didn't make as much money back then.

[@ZeroHourProductions407]

@@TechDeals Never mind that... Seriously, ARM cpus? Hybrid cores? Yeah, I had enough of that the last couple decades on phones. Arm is not performant. Arm cannot multitask to save a literal life. All ARM does, when actually taxing it, is slow down, become unresponsive or just straight up crash and reboot. And you cannot upgrade, service or repair any of it. Why would I want that future for a gaming pc, ever?

[@davidlazarus67]

Apple silicon is efficient so that I can play games through CrossOver and Steam and use anything between 15 watts and 40 watts. That wouldn’t even cover a fraction of a NVIDIA graphics card.

[@rattlehead999]

APUs

[@LiLBitsDK]

yeah I was quite surpriced how well it played No Man's Sky on the M1 Macbook Air and the newer M3's would run it even better

[@davidlazarus67]

@@LiLBitsDK That game is optimised for Apple silicon. It shows how good it works together.

[@LiLBitsDK]

@@davidlazarus67you can add BG3 too... and no it wasn't "hyper optimized" it was compiled to also work on Mx chips but it proves that the Mx architechture is viable for games... so if other developers got off their lazy arse then we could have games for Windows as usual but also Linux and Mac and that would be win for them (more sold games) and win for us users = not stuck on pathetic spyware windows... heck Farming Simulator 22 runs too... not SUPER well but it runs and are playable... if that were made to work natively on Mac it would run so much better... but it is a windows program and it runs on Mac... didn't test much and don't have access to a mac anymore but I did test a few games and such just to see what worked and how well.... so if they do begin to optimized and code for mac/linux and not just windows then we would be in for a great time

[@milescarter7803]

Compare it to Intel/AMD APU, not Nvidia (Source: on low end Nvidia equipped laptops I usually get within 20% of the speed with the iGPU and some tuning. Like low latency overclocked dual rank RAM and a CPU undervolt. And yes the power consumption goes way way down). The 15th gen Intel stuff is supposed to be raising the bar.

[@LevelUPGamingTech]

Regarding AMD, neither smell nor stinks as far as I am concerned! Thanks for the Windows key btw 👍

[@milescarter7803]

The laptop manufacturer ultimately sets the price is an interesting point. That is why the i5 can outperform an i9. The manufacturer is spending so much on the Intel chip and not keeping the thermal solutions beefed up to the point where it can keep up with the heat the chip produces. Of course they are taking the data that a lot of people are doing bursty workloads and not using the chip. But historically the i9 (or quad i7 for first 3 generations) was a terrible value. We can see the same thing on the Apple side where that ultrasonic high pressure cooling system made a MacBook Air as fast as a MacBook Pro. Its just silly.

[@tf330129]

AMD may have messed up with the names. But it isn't as dumb as Core Ultra, by a long shot. Because the phrase 'I have an Intel Core Ultra 3, 5, 7 or 9 doesn't scream try hard at all.

[@ComputerFix]

Thanks for the windows key!

[@letitiabeausoleil4025]

I'm happy with my little 15W ARM Cortex-A57 for now. It runs Chrome and Thuderbird under Ubuntu and that's all I need.

[@muazhashmi4528]

Why no new vids

[@hammerdem65]

Intel is trying to make use of as much of their cpu yields as they can ad absurdium.

[@RTKPlanes]

thx for the dirt cheap windows keys

[@laszlom.3138]

I am "excited" for zen 4c. Few % performance drop is nothing. Not much excited for pure "atom" or E core chips :) I can buy a new laptop with a cpu performs like 5 gen older...

[@joshstucki4349]

The product naming schemes from every manufacturer are getting out of control. The Ryzen 3 names (being the same!) is especially egregious.

[@ClownMoney]

All those new mobile cpu will be push into handhled gaming devices that are coming out very popular like steam seck, Asus , lenovo, msi and so many to come out in the future. I would like to ask you why is it you haven't done any review on something like that. Wen tech deals steam deck review or any handheld gaming device.

[@mr.rainbowlovescoffee]

All I want is a really good apple core with caramel😂

[@StingyGeek]

Really dissapointed by 'tricksy' marketing.

[@djsnowpdx]

Respectfully, I believe your views on heterogenous architectures are skewed by what Intel and Apple have been offering in the space so far. You haven’t tested Zen 4c yet. You appear to be discounting the possibility that, when combined with at least one Zen 4 core, a chip containing C cores performs roughly the same as it would if all Zen 4 cores. Perhaps AMD is obscuring which cores are which because, unlike E-cores, it does not matter.Furthermore, if it enables AMD to either bring these chips to lower pricepoints or to further fund the R&D division that has brought us respectable uplifts with Zen every couple of years, maybe it’s a worthy trade-off. Maybe it’s better for most consumers not to know the difference.

[@TechDeals]

The Zen4c cores run at a lower clock speed than the Zen4 cores. That alone is part of the problem.

[@envyvaliente2152]

hahah cool