When a Best-Selling Book Makes You a Slave to Your Passions, with Melissa Dougherty

[@baronreed8131]

Rule of thumb: When my Christianity becomes about me, it's no longer Christianity. It's no longer I that live, but Christ.

[@PneumaticTube]

Yes! Super simple.

[@amylynnhunt55]

That makes me think of the bizarre "My truth" vs actual events we can see and maybe measure. There simply isn't a "My truth", it's opinion or feelings, but Truth stays true. It isn't knocked around by how I feel today.

[@cdrcluster9282]

Spot on!!

[@HarryNicNicholas]

what was that pride thing? you're doing it right now and you can't even see it. why make the comment?

[@danielleprice3638]

This book contributed to my downfall. Happy to say 3 years after reading it, the Holy Spirit intervened in my life in a big way. I’ve repented and I’ve rededicated my life to Christ. 🙌🏼

[@Sooner-im9qf]

When you said Oprah liked this author, that was a red flag to me even though I had never heard of her, or her books before. Oprah is VERY New Age. When Oprah was still doing her show she said, "There are many roads to G-d..." A woman on the stage disagreed and said something about Jesus being the Way. Oprah immediately shut her down and went to commercial. I never watched her show again.

[@tamalam]

You didn't miss much 😅

[@melindas_miscellaneous787]

I have seen clips of that woman boldly standing for Jesus Christ, and I pray both for her continued witness and for my own willingness to speak gospel truth.

[@babyalikinz]

​@@melindas_miscellaneous787 Oprah is very dark and involved in a lot of evils with the elite. Including tr@ffck!ng children. Many of these people "proclaim Jesus" but they are in fact worshipping a different Jesus

[@jessebrennan7130]

If Oprah endorses something - stay away!

[@janedoe7330]

I believe I remember her being in the audience...? She was a great in speaking truth. I have thought of her many times since. I got enough of Oprah

[@annawelch5531]

I drifted from the Lord. Picked up where I left off in my worldly behavior. Then got sober in a community which has now evolved to a “self” way of conscious living. I thought I could continue being a part of this community. Holy Spirit opened my eyes and pierced my heart. I removed all my self help books etc since then.

[@ladyesther]

What gets you sucked in is sprinkles of truth amid the lies. Subtle is very hard to discern. I enjoyed this talk. Thank you.

[@HarryNicNicholas]

yep, that's religion for you. best avoided.

[@savedbygrace745]

I know many women who've read this book without knowing God's Word and have become the most "ME" loving people I've ever known. The title should be " The Entire World Revolves Around ME".

[@HarryNicNicholas]

that's every religist for you, muslim, hindu, buddhist, christian, they all think god is their best friend, and atheists get called arrogant.

[@ejr2002]

​@@HarryNicNicholasOf all the religions you listed, and even the ones you did not, ONLY Christianity offers a relationship with God, through Jesus Himself. John 3:3 "In reply Jesus declared, 'I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born again'" None of us has what it takes to enter Heaven. John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that WHOEVER believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life." There is NO limitation on who God sent Jesus to die for and Christianity in its purist form is the only religion that doesn't base peace with God entirely on what WE do. It isn't all about us. It is all about Jesus. My relationship with Jesus is what compels me to to DO the best I can to help others but it is my faith in His death and resurrection and that He is Jesus, the Son of God and One with God, that saves me from the inevitable result of my own sins.(hell).

[@sandsleeper3124]

Unfortunately, if the title was changed to what you came up with, people would still buy it.

[@amoleis61023]

I'm glad she listed Jen Hatmaker in with Richard Rohr and others...she got to me in college and I am glad I had strong Christians in my sphere to discuss thosr messages with, I had a lot to sort through after that and was quite bitter for awhile.

[@jackjones3657]

This "Me centric" false theology has really flooded 'churches.' I increasingly saw it in a large SBC church I had attended for many years. The focus was on appeasing people's emotions, worldly wants and desires as much and more as any Truth, accountability or Christian conviction of sin.

[@ds29912]

This has been in the church for decades.

[@dentonhahn2907]

It is true, it was one of the reasons for the reformation, we need a new reformation.

[@amylynnhunt55]

@@ds29912 In some churches, sure. Not all.

[@daverogg8701]

The last thing you said about the book’s author, Alisa, reminds me to keep praying and being tender hearted toward progressives, which is generally difficult for us men to do. Thank you both, Alisa and Melissa, for that well balanced critique!!!

[@Dean-zc2hj]

Hi Alisa and Melissa, I just watched this video. I really appreciated what you two had to say. My wife and I have found tremendous freedom in faithful marriage to each other and to the Lord. We have learned to say to each other that "Holiness is Happiness." One of the best freedoms is that we can live unselfishly for each other without concern for getting anything in return. We both freely give to each other and it's wonderful!

[@biblereadingwithstudyguide2832]

Thank you for this episode. Hope your mom is doing better. Now to the book. It seemed to me several years ago that there was something amiss in the church but I couldn't put my finger on it. Since then it has become clear that the gospel has become me-centered rather than God-centered. Immersing myself in the Bible has cleared up a lot. It is like handling real dollar bills a lot, then when a counterfeit is inserted into the mix it is recognizable. We really need to be Bereans.

[@amylynnhunt55]

I'm still stunned from the ad that played before the video. Planned Parenthood celebrating Abortion, the word written in neon, with music playing in the background. There was a petition they wanted signed, and "we used your info to start this and make it easier for you!" Has anyone else seen that, know what that was? (I know KZbin channels have no idea what ads we see) Sorry, that was so sickening, I just ... it's so important to pray for this country, and get in and help every place we can. When we can't even count on churches and people who have been teachers we liked in the past to tell the Truth, we have to keep seeking Truth, and always letting that light shine.

[@noelgarbellotto7400]

Great dialogue and discussion on very important modern day Church theology here. Also brings to mind sermons by the late David Wilkersons on what he called the seeker friendly last days Church. I believe this ties in with scriptures on the great falling away prior to the man of sin being revealed in the book of Thessalonians. Bottom line is, who sits on the throne of a believers heart, Christ or Self, a crossless Church is a powerless Church, Persecutions are at the doorstep of the Spiritually Sleeping Modern day Christians.

[@HarryNicNicholas]

buy william lane craig's book(s), but if they don't like him, then they should buy sean mcdowells' book(s), or eric hernandez', but maybe they would prefer frank tureks book(s) or even mike liconah's, or gary habermas', one thing is for sure though, you won't buy jesus book cos he didn't have the foresight to write ANYTHING.

[@bonitaphillips359]

Your presentation of the gospel at 40m was so incredible. The beauty of the cross: love and justice meet and Jesus is our way out of God's wrath if we believe in Him, transformation by the Holy Spirit and eternity with the Father! Preach it sister!

[@HarryNicNicholas]

"the beauty of the cross" you people are sick, you know that?

[@elizaf.9040]

Why do women want to be "fierce" "wild" and "untamed"? The opposite of Jesus teachings of gentleness, obedience, and self-abnegation.

[@ds29912]

Because these come with the promise of true fulfillment. " False promise". They prey on the proclivity of women to be emotional rather than logical.

[@umbrellathegreatdetective5423]

I understand your line of questioning, and those things are all true. But a lot of women want to be "fierce", "wild", and "untamed" for the same reason men do. Submission is hard and contrary to our sin nature. Being continually submissive is hard, understanding what you ought to be submissive to is also hard, and perseverance is hard. So, just like any other sin, sometimes it's really difficult to keep from falling into the sin of wanting to be wild and untamed. Especially when so many women are used/abused by men and feel like they're suffocating, and because obedience can be excruciatingly hard, the idea of "something good for me shouldn't hurt so bad" may come to them. And sometimes they're right. Sometimes spouses ARE being abusive and they SHOULD free themselves because he's handed himself over to complete lawlessness toward her. So many readers of this book are divorced or unhappy in their marriages. Once a woman who has been in an abusive relationship is finally free of it, it seems very difficult to uproot these desires to be free and wild and untamed, because to her, these desires saved her life. As for women who aren't abused, but just hurting, that's usually the very reason why they want freedom; they're hurting when they obey the Lord. That hurt causes temptation to sin, especially when she doesn't seek him in her obedience. Obviously, women can fall into these sins for more trivial reasons than deep hurt, but I just wanted to throw in my two cents so that people don't forget that these are real women who read this books. Real women with real struggles. Sometimes sinners aren't as shallow as you might think, and it takes a little more than just pointing out their wrong to help change their heart; a lot of people get tempted in all manners of ways because they're deeply hurting. When you call our their sin and try to direct them toward truth, they want you to take them seriously. That's no excuse to sin, but it does require that those who come around them show a little sympathy from time to time.

[@leenieledejo6849]

@@umbrellathegreatdetective5423 Well reading the Bible for yourself rather than taking for granted what other people (purposely false teachers) tell you will help! The phrase "sin nature" is NOT in the Bible! It is a horrendously wrong translation of the Greek word "sarki", which simply means "flesh". It is translated faithfully and consistently as "flesh" in the KJV (and apparently the NASB) but in some corrupt modern versions it is correctly translated as "flesh" in passages like Mark 10 ("the two become one flesh") and 1st John 4:2-3 ("Jesus Christ came in the flesh") but *WRONGFULLY* rendered "sin nature" in Paul's epistles. The "sarki" is not bad in itself. God created it. Jesus came in it! (1st John 4:2-3 again). It is weak which is why Jesus says "ye MUST be born of the Spirit" in John 3 but it is NOT "sinful" in itself. Sin is a CHOICE. I suggest you type "Jason Staples NIV sin nature" into a search engine to see more about this issue and how the NIV (bowing to their Augustinian Calvinist original translators-with-an-agenda) refused to change their misleading and blasphemous mistranslation. MANY seminaries are Augustinian Calvinist and use the NIV hence many "pastors" use it and many church goers accept it as truth. If you WANT to be born of the Spirit, crucify the flesh (as all regenerate Christians - the only kind: John 1:12-13 - have: see Galatians 2:20) and walk in the Spirit (Galatians 5 & 6 ) then the only way to do so is to allow God to do it by transforming you through His Word. It's Scripture (especially the New Testament) that confronts and convicts and brings hidden sins and idols to the fore, eventually leading to Godly repentance (2 Corinthians 7) and regeneration. A Christian is defined in John 1:12-13 as regenerate (born of the Spirit/born of God) and having the Holy Spirit indwelling (Romans 8:9). [There is NO example of a half carnal, half spiritual person in Scripture]. "The carnal mind is at enmity with God and those who walk in the flesh cannot please Him. To be carnally minded is death but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. If anyone does not have the spirit of Christ then he does not belong to him" (Romans 8:5-8)

[@Miss.G.H]

When Oprah and other celebrities promote someone's book that right there is a red flag.

[@LennyCash777]

Yep.

[@HH-xj8nh]

Facts

[@gillianroberts446]

Thank You Alyisa and Melissa - as the old hymn says 'God is working His purpose out as year succeeds to year...'

[@kristinbutler422]

I totally agree. Many people do not having lasting relationships, because they do not know what love truly is. Love is about accepting a person, but does not necessarily mean they support, agree with or approve of their behavior. This is why many marriages fail and family members grow apart; because they expect the other person to accept everything they do, even if it’s wrong or bad for them. I can still love someone and not agree with their lifestyle choices. God loves the sinner, but hates the sin.

[@clsmithent]

2 of my favorite women ❤️ Always a great conversation

[@HarryNicNicholas]

lol. drivel.

[@bohoprincess1239]

Thank you for this. As someone just now waking up to the "self" centerness of progressive christianity this has been so eye opening. I had this book on my to read list but after watching this review, I really questioned my interest in it and truthful it was because it appealed to my flesh. It focuses on me being god and my own savior rather than Jesus.

[@NoTrashInHeaven]

Perfect timing for me, as I'm in training for a Wellness coach certificate. I've wrestled with many of the self- oriented components, but then realizing that much of the inner strengths we're coaching people to call forth are gifts from our Creator, the theological term escapes me...like a universal grace. Of course it'll only take one so far, then a truly God-seeking soul would cry out for more- which I'm prepared to give.

[@gnuhaus]

Have you heard of Revelation Wellness? It’s a health ministry that seeks to promote body, soul, and spirit wellness from a Christian worldview. Our daughter is a fitness instructor for them and I’ve found their material to be very God-focused even when talking about self.

[@NoTrashInHeaven]

@@gnuhaus No, but I'll look into it ! Thank you!

[@smpittsburgh264]

Eastern religion/thought have been repackaged for us in the West and are rife in the health/wellness fields (i.e. yoga, TM, biofeedback, reiki, visualization, "contemplative" prayer, etc.). Great resources about these include Death of a Guru by Rabi R. Maharaj, A Time of Departing by Ray Yungen, and The Light That Was Dark by Warren B. Smith.

[@MizJilly]

I left life coaching after I came to Christ. The pure self-reliance aspect was the main part of it that I think the Lord steered me away from. I think your approach - the awareness that all you're doing is helping people follow God's will for them and standing ready to share the gospel when your clients come to the end of themselves - is great. Keep being careful. I didn't trust myself to stay in the business, because there was an ego component in it for me, and I also didn't want to disagree with and lose clients, many of who were atheists.

[@rebekahearly1144]

Thanks for another opportunity to catch this conversation. And thank you for taking the time to give us some edifying content even when you have other things going on - I pray that your mother will be much better soon and that you’ll be strengthened to support her ❤

[@JamesAustinHall]

God bless you spiritually, mentally, physically, and financially in Jesus name amen

[@gabriellekelly3462]

Love you both these ladies. Keep standing for the truth!

[@Heartwing37]

Great podcast! Yes, Satan’s best lies are mixed with a modicum of truth in an attempt to create validity. However, if part of the story is a lie, then all of the story is a lie!

[@HarryNicNicholas]

i don't get why people think hell will be bad. i'm not a satanist but i'm on the same side as satan, satan would want to torment christians of course, they are all arrogant whining babies, but i'm a sinner, why would satan torment a sinner? that;s god's job. i expect to be rewarded for my sin, why is hell going to be punishment? i think hell will be a cross between disneyland for the "nice" sinners and the playboy mansion, for the perverts like me. heaven is going to be full of dull, boring, whining, self righteous, boasting religists, i don't want to go there.

[@jessebrennan7130]

Satan will tell you ten truths to get you to believe one lie

[@FollowingJesus129]

I was so blessed by your heart for people you disagree with. This is a fruit that is, sadly, in short supply today. Glory to God

[@michellepeterson6320]

Melissa, 49:30 - It's so encouraging to hear you say this. I've stayed away f/ subscribing to your channel for awhile due to the harshness, but I sense more of a compassion f/ you in this. God bless you! 51:30 So precious...yes, the love of God compels us... Such a great video, both of you.

[@michalherrington6797]

Alisa, when are you going to debate Glennon? Even just a conversation would be so interesting. I’d like to see her answer your pointed statements of truth. She certainly needs the love of Christ presented as you do. Thankful for what God is doing in you and Melissa.

[@list1726]

Thanks for posting

[@robynbaker5516]

This was a brilliant conversation….throughout I couldn’t help but take it all back to the Garden in my mind…..for when you eat of it you shall be like God…isn’t that lie so telling…..I would hate to finish the words of a book with I AM there is only one who has that title….a very slippery slope to be on thank you ladies ❤️❤️🙏

[@christinemitchell7170]

Great to see you two bringing this topic to light! So many progressive Christian’s swayed by this ideology! Glennon is a brilliant woman and an incredible writer but she is very lost and we must pray for her. New age has done a doozy on so many unfortunately.

[@cdrcluster9282]

Thank you Alisa for your program! God bless!

[@k.b.edwards7071]

Thank you so very much, love you am praying for you keep straight path.

[@KatMcCollum]

just found your channel recently and I'm obsessed 💯

[@jonathancampbell586]

How Enlightning --Thank You, Alisa and Melissa!

[@corinnepetersen6184]

This was great, thank you! :)

[@pepper8494]

Hitting the Truth Nail right on the Head!!!!

[@realTrissMerigold]

Thank you so much for this discussion, I think your critique was fair and presented in a kind way. God bless! ❤

[@Skywalker-pj7nj]

Your amazing ..Melisa. great show ma'am. U two together are great

[@JoyfulNoiseLearning]

I know two families as well that were ruined because of the catalyst of this book and these messages. 😣🥺

[@JoyfulNoiseLearning]

“I’m happy and I don’t have to defend myself.” is what I hear. 😔

[@listenswell9873]

What a great and truly needed conversation! Well done ladies! Thank you so much for sharing your thoughtful knowledge-filled and kind discernment.

[@jbobkat4742]

At 29:03 it occurred to me that the books definition of love doesn’t even work from the secular perspective. Example: the basis of an intervention is “we love you but your drug use is killing you, so we want you to change”. However, with her definition of love you have to accept their drug use no matter what it’s doing to that person.

[@ronfurg]

Thanks to you and Melissa for exposing Unchained philosophy for what it is.

[@janellerichardson7423]

Yes! I watched this on Melissa's channel a while ago. So good!

[@srimartin1796]

Me in line for the Bible study on Love written by @Melissa Dougherty

[@gariecowles4097]

This is so good!

[@clareswares1]

I love these podcast so glad i found you. Thank you Alisa

[@notafan607]

The cream cheese retell mom lesson that Alisa gives props to is ironic. I haven't read this book, but it appears that Glennon Doyle is expecting that "all varieties of cream cheese" be brought to her worldview. Very ironic. To Glennon, I say, "Nope. I'm not going to do that."

[@PneumaticTube]

Spirits of pride and rebellion are behind Untamed by Glennon Doyle and most new age spirituality.

[@dsriddle13]

I’m not sure if there are issues here on KZbin, but when I listened to this on Spotify today, the recording had a lot of trouble; repeating the same words over and over, skipping forward and back etc. Just wanted to let you know.

[@Miss.G.H]

I thought I already watched this video but it said it was and technically I have on Melissa's channel 😂

[@sandyhardy3419]

God revealed to me yesterday the only thing that he did not put a ceiling on was passion… If his children pursue his callings the heights of the passion can reach are off the charts… That’s exactly why Satan uses it against us

[@RainbowMan.]

Beautiful!! 😍

[@ericanicole806]

18:34 "What if the powers of darkness didn't look dark, it looked like light, it looked like false light. 2 Corinthians 11 The devil comes masquerading as light. If the devil came to us, he would not show up with a pitchfork, a pointy tail, horns, red skin and say 'Hey! I'm going to teach you about love in the Bible.' No, man, he comes to you as Glennon Doyle!"

[@GinKirk7256]

RHE was exceedingly dangerous! She gained fame due to her mind and she died due to her mind! Ironic much!? She led many astray from the narrow way! Woe to her!

[@ebriggs3498]

Who is RHE?

[@GinKirk7256]

@@ebriggs3498 Rachel Held Evans

[@LearningLeadersGrowLiveGive]

The "good" that comes from humanity in our naturally fallen and sinful state provides the ability to be religously cruel and to believe that cruelty is good (Isaiah 5:20;Romans 10:1-3)! We have a righteousness motivated and fueled by "self" and apart from the Spirit of the Living God. We're snacking and smacking on the tree of the knowledge of good and evil that God told Adam and Eve not to eat from!!! Reading Exodus 33:19 and hearing Psalm 23:6 sang this morning provided me with a better understanding into the character and the real goodness of the only true and living God and Jesus Christ whom He has sent (John 17:3).

[@allengill8473]

Great comments....nothing to add.

[@El.savedbyJesus]

I; early on, listened on audible, so I didn't pick up on the capitalization. But that "whatever you want to call it" also comes from the cultic 12 programs of "as you understand him." Most 12 step Christians are very progressive. Alcoholics Anonymous 12 steps come from automatic writing.

[@wexwuthor1776]

All the best to mom. 🙏🙏🙏

[@kierstenhaigler1332]

Even before it became apparent who Oprah is, I knew that her book of the month club was my list of books NOT to read!

[@TheNarrowWayIsLife]

I think the book was #1 at the time because of the pandemic as well.... I got sucked in and have repented.

[@earthangel2590]

Jay Skylar was one of my professors!

[@anjalisartistry870]

Female empowerment and self love aren't bad if taken from a biblical worldview..

[@iceman4660]

This warped ideology has its roots in the Eastern religions of Hindhuism and Buddhist. One has a plethora of gods and the other encourages you to empty yourself to achieve a higher plane. In both you can become another god.

[@kimberlypride4046]

God is not delighted at the death of the wicked. We should be of the same mind and spirit.

[@cdrcluster9282]

The problem is not that people focus too much on God's attribute of LOVE, because He is LOVE. The problem is with the English word itself. We can spend all our time focused on His LOVE if we like, just make sure our focus is on the correct word AGAPPE. God AGAPPE the world in this way, that He gave us His only begotten Son! If we kept our focus on AGAPPE it would take us on a journey to the cross and if our were open to understand it, our hearts would break as we watch Him die, telling us moments before that He forgives us! He wants us to want Him, to be with Him, to choose Him. That is His Love. It is a sacrifice of the self for the object of the one being loved. The opposite of this world's definition.

[@cdrcluster9282]

Correction: if our hearts were open to accept it, His LOVE/AGAPPE

[@macmac1022]

People of all kinds please state if your theists, atheists, agnostics or any combination of those and then if willing participate in the test. As well, looking for 5 good moral theist questions for atheists/agnostics. #1 You see a child drowning in a shallow pool and notice a person just watching that is able to save the child with no risk to themselves but is not, is that person moral? #2 If you go to save the child, the man tells you to stop as he was told it was for the greater good, but he does not know what that is, do you continue to save the child or stop? #3 Is it just to punish innocent people for the crimes of others? #4 If you were able to stop it and knew a person was about to grape a child would you stop it? #5 Would you consider an all knowing parent who put their kids in a room with a poison fruit and told the kids not to eat it but then also put a supernatural con artist in the room with the children knowing the con artist will get the kids to eat the fruit and the parent does nothing to stop it a good parent?

[@BrianJ677]

That does not mean that the former is untrue, Christianity can help setting people free, but we are always free at all times. Some people like to be enslaved by grifters who do not really have their best interests at heart perhaps.

[@melbaburrows4059]

What easier way to deny God than to make yourself a god.

[@cc967]

Glennon is a lost soul. Unfortunately, her book has fallen into the hands of so many other confused people. I pray God’s voice - without all of the noise - will be something she can’t escape.

[@marielundstrom7694]

Are you seeing Joel osten as a problem???

[@HarryNicNicholas]

it's worth bearing in mind also that jesus didn't write a single word, not even "my dad can beat up your dad" and oddly, despite miracles being er, miracled every other day, no one actually wrote about him either, not even "saw jesus feet surfing today, rad"

[@thecrew777]

Commercials just give me too much time to formulate a comment. So I'm commenting only 14 minutes in. But I was amazed to hear that "Christians are shocked" by this "I Am" theology. Oprah has been practicing hers for how many years now? Didn't ya'll know that once upon a time Oprah actually was a person who went to a regular Baptist church? Okay, not everyone saw Oprah in the early years. That's cool. I guess I forget there are many Christians who have been Christians since childhood. I was raised by a Christian family but the second I saw out the front door, I was out of that mess. Of course, mine was a household as a child where my dad was a wannabe warlock practicing Satanism while mom was a 5th generation Episcopalian. They found their ultimate agreement in the Charismatic movement. I was dragged along against my vocalized will. So I was never really a Christian. It wasn't something I chose. I would just like to say that for the next 35 years, I went to the ultimate church of "I am God" commonly known as therapy. I tell you, there is nothing that will encourage putting yourself on the throne of at least your own life more than therapy. So to me, this is nothing new. I'm about 7 1/2 years old as a Christian. An actually saved-by-God and believe-the-Bible Christian now. I say to the left wing of Christianity "Bye bye now, don't let the door hit your backside too hard as you leave!" meanwhile antsy for them all to just GET OUT! Either be a Bible confessing Christian or stop calling yourselves Christians! I can't wait for them to do that. Okay. Sorry. Rant done. Love this, and will now go listen to the rest in jaw-dropped amazement -- or not. Addition after watching full video: that was good. And yes, we need to practice praying for any and all people who we find to be opposite us in life, aka "enemies" because this is the only way to be Christ-like. Christ died for His enemies. He wept over Jerusalem who rejected Him and crucified Him. We were all His enemies from birth. If we don't pray for our enemies now, we'll get hearts encased by stone, and I have to tell you from long sad experience, that is not a good place to be at all. And you won't make it through persecution that way. Great show.

[@matthewjohnson6360]

Anything by Glennon, is not anything I want to read, she is UN-biblical relationship.

[@haleylewis9587]

Wasn't this out a year ago?

[@Melanie-yb1bz]

Alisa and Melissa's anti-fandom of Glennon is the gift that keeps on giving.

[@aboveandbeyond9844]

@@josephpchajek2685... Are Alisa's KZbin video presentations not along the lines of "...seductive theology..."?

[@Stastylen]

Curious how does anyone including the authors of the Bible not superimpose their own ideas of what the attributes of God are? Is not all knowledge of the attributes and essence of God gathered through the limited finite human sensorium?

[@lark8356]

Grace and Peace to You. May I Contact you via Email or facebook to Discuss this Further?

[@chicane7752]

The author of the Bible is God. People wrote what He inspired them to write, and each book affirms the others.

[@Stastylen]

​@@lark8356 Hi, thanks for your reply. Would you be ok keeping the discussion here on youtube so others can chime in? Just a disclaimer I am not here to win a debate I just struggle with a lot of evangelical beliefs on atonement theories, inerrancy of scripture, original sin ect. I am curious why many evangelicals emphasize so much priority on obtaining correct belief over loving thy neighbor like Jesus? I have a good hunch why but I would like to hear from those that hold to those beliefs.

[@lark8356]

@@Stastylen You're welcome. No, I'd rather have it elsewhere, however I do respect your preference.

[@Stastylen]

@@lark8356 thanks for respecting my preference, I can do facebook. Should I friend you there to begin?

[@aelthwyn2]

ooohhh man, this sounds exactly like the horrible 'path of self discovery' my husband is going down that will hurt our family so much if he continues. I don't think he's read this book specifically but the ideas you outline here are very much what he's grasping at and it's so twisted and harmful. He claims he's doing better than ever, but I don't see good attributes increasing in him, I see desperate seeking without fulfillment, trying to justify wrong so he can stop feeling guilty, stress, lack of wisdom, pride abounding. It's so hard to witness this god of self rising and feel like there's nothing I can do to stop it. I'm currently reading a book that he asked me to read called 'Sovreign Love' and it's using that capital self which just feels repulsive in my gut. The claims in it are all about how realising your authentic self is the goal and it encourages breaking apart relationships for the sake of that goal - it is so unloving, selfishness is the opposite of love, such a lie maquearading as 'love' - and yet like you said about Untamed, there are bits and pieces that sound good or sensible, you have to really be on guard while reading these kinds of things.

[@justintan1198]

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[@GinKirk7256]

In Matthew 5:27-28 Jesus said, “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.” Cause for divorce according to Jesus Christ!

[@ebriggs3498]

This concept that Glennon Doyle is espousing, namely, “if you truly love me, you will accept me in my sin” is ridiculous. Jesus/Yeshua very clearly loved His Jewish brethren, but he called out the priests who were violating Torah and called them a den of thieves and whitewashed tombs! Harsh? Yes, but it made His point. He loved them enough to call them out and tell them the truth. It was definitely not “their truth”. He got them riled up enough that many of them repented and eventually became followers of Him as Messiah. The rest were actively trying to put him to death! Nobody likes their golden calf to be touched, and in this case, Glennon Doyle‘s golden calf is her rebellion and her newfound homosexuality/lesbianism!

[@aaronmonroe7932]

A slave to your passions???

[@wexwuthor1776]

The idea of the Self is infinitely expansive. It's not an egotistical thing. It's realizing that there really are no individuals. We are all waves in the same ocean. The ocean is God. Whether or not you think it's true is a different story, but that is what is meant by Self or knowing.

[@michelebevans]

I have listened to her most recent podcasts, she does not seems happy.

[@Malevolentguppy]

48:00 Are we taking wisdom from Satan now? What possible use could a book have, in a sincere Christian's life, if it promotes anti Christ ideals? Roman's 16:17-18 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple. Pray for them? Absolutely. Read their books? Nope

[@pompeii357]

Holy, Holy, Holy, in Hebrew, the word "holy" is interpreted as separated without contact, hence the introduction of God into matter in any form is blasphemy and idolatry, and that's the end of the story.

[@LearningLeadersGrowLiveGive]

The "love" described in this book sounds like 2 Timothy 3:1-5 and Proverbs 12:10. Alisa, what happened to your like button? I wanted to like this video, but the dislike button is my only option? 🤨

[@michellepeterson6320]

There is not enough good in the book to recommend it. All the more reason to STAY AWAY from it BECAUSE it's so deceptive and "lovely". Time is so precious. I'll read things like Childers, Baucham, etc...

[@robertdouglas8895]

Jesus said the same thing about us, that we are one with him and God. To know what this means, I suggest that you ask God, not Glennon Doyle. The idea that we are sinful means that we are separate from God, so we must not be sinful. Sin is corrected with punishment or sacrifice if you believe that is why Jesus died on the cross for our sins. But love is not punishment nor is it fear. "There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love." "Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; that they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

[@lark8356]

Grace and Peace to You. May I Contact you via Email or facebook to Discuss this Further?

[@SuePenn]

We are no longer sinners, but Saints. Our sins do not affect our relationship with God. Our sins were forgiven on the cross and God no longer sees our sins. He sees us as righteous through Jesus. We are already seated in heavenly places, we are Holy and blameless, we are Saints, because we are a new creature.

[@robertdouglas8895]

@@lark8356 Our conversation might interest people here.

[@robertdouglas8895]

@@SuePenn We are all created in the likeness of God and no one has the power to change that, not even Jesus on the cross. "That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit."

[@lark8356]

@@robertdouglas8895 That's probably true. Thank you for your response.

[@cosmichrist]

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[@LuckyEucalyptusTree-]

Jesus says the wage of Sin is death. Hes not talking any specific sin hes says Any sin is guilty of death. Yet- the gift of God is Eternal life. We are not our own savior Jesus is - calvinism bad- Jesus good

[@aboveandbeyond9844]

Numbers 22:20-31... "And God came to Balaam at night and said to him, Since the men have come to call you, rise up; go with them, but only what I speak to you shall you do. . . . And Balaam rose up in the morning and saddled his donkey and went with the rulers of Moab. . . . And God’s anger was kindled because he was going, and the Angel of Jehovah took His stand in the way as an adversary against him. Now he was riding on his donkey, and his two servants were with him. . . . And when the donkey saw the Angel of Jehovah standing in the way with His drawn sword in His hand, the donkey turned aside out of the way and went into the field. And Balaam struck the donkey to turn her back into the way. . . . Then the Angel of Jehovah stood in a narrow path between the vineyards, with a wall on this side and a wall on that side. . . . And when the donkey saw the Angel of Jehovah, she pressed herself against the wall and crushed Balaam’s foot against the wall. So he struck her again. . . . And the Angel of Jehovah went further and stood in a narrow place, where there was no way to turn either to the right or to the left. . . . And when the donkey saw the Angel of Jehovah, she lay down under Balaam. Then Balaam’s anger was kindled, and he struck the donkey with his staff. . . . And Jehovah opened the mouth of the donkey, and she said to Balaam, What have I done to you, that you have struck me these three times? . . . And Balaam said to the donkey, Because you have mocked me! If I had a sword in my hand, I would have killed you by now. . . . And the donkey said to Balaam, Am I not your donkey on which you have ridden all your life to this day? Have I ever been accustomed to do so to you? And he said, No. . . . Then Jehovah opened the eyes of Balaam, and he saw the Angel of Jehovah standing in the way with His drawn sword in His hand, and he bowed his head and fell on his face." See that... God caused a "...donkey..." to speak... Read it again... "And Jehovah opened the mouth of the donkey..." (Num. 2:28). And what is this "...donkey..."? 2 Peter 2:16... "...But had reproof for his own transgression: a dumb beast of burden, uttering with a man's voice, restrained the madness of the prophet." According to scripture, a donkey is "...a dumb beast of burden...". And God caused this "...a dumb beast of burden..." to speak "...with a man's voice..." and in doing so "...restrained the madness of the prophet." Wonderful... But nothing changed regarding the "...donkey...", and it being "...a dumb beast of burden...". The "...donkey..." speaking, because God"...opened..." its mouth, "...restrained the madness of the prophet..."... But the "...donkey..." remained a "...donkey...". I always enjoy listening to Melissa, as I think she is humble, straightforward, and, to the best of her capacity, fairly honest with what she says. Alisa is a bit more complicated... Possibly because of her background baggage... Her father being who he is... Her career as a Christian singer... The experience she had with her ex-pastor and the "...progressive..." direction he was taking people in... And of course the fame that resulted from her published books, podcasts, etc., etc., etc. Here's what caught my attention with Alisa... I heard her speak strongly against someone who was not holding to biblical scripture... What she said is that Christians have to stand on what biblical scripture presents... And I enjoyed her declaring that to the two other persons - men - who she was speaking with on the podcast. So much so that I went to her website and sent her a message to encourage her along the way that she had spoken about so boldly. And after hearing her that first time, I found her KZbin channel, subscribed, and began listening to her KZbin presentations. Unfortunately... I'm sorry to say... After listening to a few of her video presentations I realized that Alisa is somewhat off in her "...theology..."... Which is understandable... As she simply replaced the error of "...progressive Christianity..." with the error of traditional "... Christianity...". And I say this not to stand in judgment of her... But to simply point out what the truth of the matter is... I believe Alisa wants to speak the truth as presented in the Bible... But is struggling to do so because of who she is surrounding herself with... And this works itself out in her speaking. There is NOTHING good in Glennon Doyle's books... In which she is uplifting natural man to the level of God. To do so is simply the work of the devil... To whom we know our Lord and Savior - remember Him - declared, "...Get behind Me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to Me, for you are not setting your mind on the things of God, but on the things of men." And that was the disciple, Peter, to whom the Lord was speaking... Yes, Jesus called Pater, "...Satan...". And He did so with no apology. And what would Jesus say to Glennon Doyle, in respect to what she writes in her books, Alisa... Melissa? As we read in biblical scripture... God can cause "...a dumb beast of burden..." to speak "...with a man's voice..." and in doing so "...restrained the madness of the prophet." Anyone can be "...a dumb beast of burden..." who God causes to speak "...with a man's voice..." and in doing so "...restrained the madness of the prophet.". But who wants to be "...a dumb beast of burden...". Especially when we can be a new creation... 2 Corinthians 5:17... "So then if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old things have passed away; behold, they have become new." The call is to come out of her... Which simply means... Come out of our fallen old man and his love for the way of the world... Which, even as a little leaven... Spoils the whole batch. God has allowed the Roman Catholic religion to remain and thrive on this earth for almost 1,500 years... And yet it is and has always been, an abomination in God's eyes. If Glennon Doyle is an unsaved person, then according to scripture, there is nothing good in her, she's an enemy of God... And yes, she is even a fool, as only a fool says in their heart, “...There is no God...”. And God says, "...They are corrupt and commit abominable deeds...". And if Glennon Doyle is a saved person, and yet speaks what you both say she speaks... Then according to biblical scripture, meaning, according to God's breathed-out words... 2 Timothy 3:5... "...from these also turn away...". And... Romans 16:17... "...turn away from them...". And that's about all that any Christian believer needs to know... Who to have fellowship with... And who to mark as those to turn away from. We can surely pray for these types of people... But we should do so from a position/disposition of being turned away from them... Meaning... Not considering what they are saying, as being even in the least bit profitable. Amen.

[@sanjeevgig8918]

Xtians should think twice about using the word "SLAVE" It reminds people that Yahweh had the time to forbid MIXED FABRICS and forbid SHELLFISH but when it came to SLAVERY, he just had to go with the "customs" and "practices" of the Near East region and prevailing times. LOL

[@st.clairdancing2094]

Actually read again...In Leviticus, if someone sold themselves as a servant or was a slave and if a man knocked the tooth of the servant or slave, they were to let the slave/servant go! There's more than that, there are several chapters in Leviticus about moral and holy laws on how to treat servant/slaves and what reparations were to be made to those that the master had hurt or done harm to. Mixed fabrics was an actual practice by the Canaanites that was called practical magic or witchcraft (manipulation), same thing with sowing the field with two different seeds and the other mentions of pagan magic. These things that God mentions in Leviticus and Numbers and Deuteronomy were things practiced by the nations that God was going to drive. YHWH was driving them out because of the unholy, evil, wicked practices, not because of the righteousness of Israel, but because their time for judgment had come and because of Israel's disobedience, YHWH even extended the mercy given to the Canaanites another 40 years. Everything in scripture is there for a reason, we just don't understand sometimes because we did not live then. Shellfish is no where mentioned, except that they could only eat Fish with scales and fins, in that time they were to be a holy nation to God and to eat clean, in the Covenant that God made with them meant for them to abstain from certain things. Paul talks about slavery and actually says to the Romans that if they can be freed from the slavery or buy their way out of it, they should. So there is a New Covenant understanding that God hated slavery, just like he does divorce, but allowed because their hearts were hard. Slavery is still practiced in Muslim nations to this day, in pretty much every one and also in many communist nations on the Far East side of the Continent.

[@sanjeevgig8918]

@@st.clairdancing2094 Leviticus 25:44-46 Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly. == Exodus 21:20-21 Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property. == Yahweh didn't want his chosen people to make SLAVES of other chosen people. BUT he allowed his own chosen people to OWN OTHER PEOPLE as slaves and allowed BEATING THEM to NEAR DEATH as slaves and passing them to future generation as SLAVES. LOL

[@tell-me-a-story-]

I know the idea that the REAL GOD would ever endorse any religious oddities, makes you sick, but calm down. If we followed the old testiment, all the people who practiced slavery in the last five centuries would be exicuted. Why? Kidnapping was punishable by death. Selling kidnapped people was punishable by death. BUYING kidnapped people was punishable by death. Read it, it's there.

[@JamesRichardWiley]

Melissa doesn't like female empowerment and self love because it disagrees with the male dominated woman hating messages in the Bible which says only the barbaric, narcissist Yahweh, the father of Jesus, deserves your love, and your constant praise, and worship.

[@RickyFrias-ss6cf]

Are u apart of. A group. Trying. To hurt. People. ?

[@YECBIB]

Blah

[@terrypaul7706]

So your the judge on her hey? By your self righteousness?

[@lesliemoore2644]

It’s called discernment

[@AChippendale]

We are called to call out unbiblical teachings.... Not judgement.

[@KatDenton-sc4ho]

By the Bible. READ IT

[@sterling5489]

Childer is a child, a child of God along with her guest. Glad such people still exist.

[@dove4108]

I don’t think they are self righteous they just think that Glennon’s book seems against what Jesus teaches us