When AMP SIMS are NOT Enough!

Let Paradise Lost's producer Gomez walk you through the mix of the rhythm guitars of their latest release "Icon 30".
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[@KohleAudioKult]

How do you like Gomez' approach?

[@ProjectVastness]

Interesting use of the plugin Alliance plugin also de phase reverse of Di

[@redearthpaul178]

Why did he reverse the di phase then reverse it back again?

[@KohleAudioKult]

This video explains it! This is also we’re Gomez got the idea. kzbin.info/www/bejne/eX3PaJ2ebJWSqLcsi=3xS7HtzY8XEZ3jcK

[@KohleAudioKult]

It’s explained here. kzbin.info/www/bejne/eX3PaJ2ebJWSqLcsi=3xS7HtzY8XEZ3jcK

[@redearthpaul178]

@@KohleAudioKult thanks!

[@sirduckoufthenorth]

That "wide bus" thing was pretty cool

[@xangrycatmanx5104]

I know a lot of rap/R&B guys use "Brauerizing" (sending elements to busses to emphasise width, transients, mono emphasis and space). Help Me Devvon even talks about it on his podcast (kzbin.infoCjoDTUX933E?si=OFGYJjcgPkP33EPV), and it's cool that Gomez mentions Michael Brauer as well.

[@hells023]

Jaime Gomez Arellano, orgullo Colombiano!!! 🇨🇴

[@ravenblackfeather4028]

Sounds amazing and cuts through perfectly in the mix. Love Paradise Lost ♥️

[@kingpriapatius5832]

C4 compression Andy Sneap's style is immortal!

[@alrecks619]

taming down 200hz area so everything sounds clear is a win win.

[@DaskaiserreichNet78]

I am a huge fan of Paradise Lost. Thank you.

[@douggroulx1525]

Totally love the rhythm guitar philosophy’s, sounds super amazing! I’m definitely going to try this, the best way that I can anyways. Thank you!

[@sisyphushappyxvx]

The guitar saturation send is an intriguing idea!

[@panelbolcsessegekalacsonyk4176]

So amazing work!🤘😃👍

[@6rusT]

Oh man this is brutal, priceless information

[@kicsisziszi]

I am wondering was this re-recorded with that gothic V hapas guitar?

[@gerardoavalos8465]

Is C4 being used on the guitar bus or each individual guitar track?

[@danymalsound]

That's a really nice mid-bite!

[@justinreynolds3935]

Very very interesting approach with the wide buss and other busses for guitars. Makes sense though.

[@xangrycatmanx5104]

You might want to look into how Michael Brauer sends his mixes through various aux busses. I first heard about this technique from Help Me Devvon (kzbin.infoCjoDTUX933E?si=OFGYJjcgPkP33EPV).

[@lovecraftmusic8717]

Cmon, what a coincidence... I just did a cover of them a week ago, after I almost forgot they existed.

[@TheOligoclonalBand]

I love Icon. My introduction to Metal and easily one of the best Metal albums. Very interesting approach. That really has the Icon vibe from what I can hear.

[@KohleAudioKult]

I fully agree. He really captured the vibe!

[@TheOligoclonalBand]

@@KohleAudioKult It would be really interesting to hear this with Shades of God as well.

[@chrismonaut]

I am usualy not a big fan of re-recordings but damn I love Icon 30. Perfect balance between the vibe from the 90s and Paradise Losts current sound and production for my taste.

[@KohleAudioKult]

@TheOligoclonalBand Yeah, that one would be great. I think PL would improve it quite a bit actually!

[@TheOligoclonalBand]

@@KohleAudioKultTell us when they do it!

[@PaulEubanks]

I’ll be honest, it sounded better before the changes. I wanna know how the original tracks were created. Gomez says it was STL Tones?

[@dillpereira250]

It's just a matter of taste at the end of the day but I assume you dig into amp sims a lot and listen to a lot of bands that use it. I prefer real amps bc I'm a old ass dude and I'm used to that vintage sound and feel. I believe they used some kinda mesa boogie sim into STL Tones, but I can't guarantee.

[@tobiasheinrich104]

The sound after the reamp was definitely far more organic. By "better" I suppose that you mean the additional high end of the sim-tone, but you can easily get that in a better form with amp+cab as well. In fact, the sim tone which we could hear here is really nothing special and very easy to get in a better form.

[@PaulEubanks]

@@dillpereira250 There’s a harshness in the re-amps that I don’t dig and I suspect it’s because of the old Mesa V30/SM57 combo, which sounds just awful to me. I hate that it’s used so much. Everything you run into that cab/mic will sound like this. I do like the outboard compressor stereo widening effect he has though. He should just run the originals through THAT chain and call it a day.

[@PaulEubanks]

@@tobiasheinrich104 Not at all what I meant, but cool please post the settings used so others may easily achieve it.

[@maxmolodtsov]

FIRST!!! Now I need some mooooney to get the course....

[@KohleAudioKult]

You should! 🤘❤️

[@IVANSALODRUMMER]

FOR GOMEZ!

[@lordgraga]

Man I gotta understand how that magic fizz removal widener works.

[@KohleAudioKult]

You could simply do that part with a high cut filter though

[@xangrycatmanx5104]

Gomez mentioned Michael Brauer as inspiring the width buss. This KZbin Short from Help Me Devvon mentions "Brauerizing" (using auxiliary busses to colour the sound). kzbin.infoCjoDTUX933E?si=OFGYJjcgPkP33EPV

[@dirtyharry1881]

Is the cowboy hat an essential part of his process? Does it cut some frequencies coming to his ear? What brand of hat is it? Would a hat plug-in approximate the results?

[@ricardosantos4424]

You visited Oporto! Nice choice! 👍

[@KohleAudioKult]

It was great! I'll be back!

[@ricardosantos4424]

@@KohleAudioKult have fun! Cheers 🍻

[@RevoltStudio-hj6tj]

Wow this sound is fat and crispy 🤘😎👍

[@Fl4ppers]

Draconian Times was in my top 10 in the mid 90s.

[@KohleAudioKult]

Another good one!

[@MadMaxwellP216]

My favorite bald German! I'm looking forward to this course and submitting my mix 🤘

[@KohleAudioKult]

Always welcome! 🤘❤️

[@MoltenPyre]

Very cool! Was wondering why he reversed the phase of the di on the way out and on the pre amp on the way back in.

[@adamsteelproducer]

I was there filming, I’d say it was a “Gomez-ism”. He figured the gear sounded better that way, maybe something to do with the reamp box?

[@PetarMakesNoise]

@@adamsteelproducer just check from Kohle's channel, he shared that technique about reamping and getting double takes from one DI. It's actually pretty good, but from my experience works the best with real amps and not with sims. And getting mimique doubler pedal in between also helps a lot, you get even more "differences" so when reamped, it really does sound like there's two different takes. It's good if you have 2 takes, and you wanna add quad tracking without bothering your guitar player again to record.

[@rasmuslaurberghansen8484]

I don't get how he gets the wide bus to be wider, I have tried watching that part a couple of times now - So he has a compressor on the bus and then he somehow uses the pan pots on the console to make them panned more than 100% L or 100% R? From what I found by googling Michael Brauer he does use a stereo widener on his bus to get the widening effect, so does Gomez do that or not?

[@adamsteelproducer]

A width panner that can go beyond 100% wide is using mid/side to change the relationship between the center and the sides. You can do this with a lot of methods

[@xangrycatmanx5104]

Gomez mentioned Michael Brauer in this video, who uses a lot of aux busses to get more width and depth from mixes. I heard this from Help Me Devvon (kzbin.infoCjoDTUX933E?si=OFGYJjcgPkP33EPV), though they're more rap/R&B focused.

[@BrunodeSouzaLino]

But why are you still running Windows XP?

[@rockboy360]

Best and fastest OS ever!

[@KohleAudioKult]

Because it still works like on Day 1

[@jeffhirshberg5171]

Henning might have sonething to say regarding bald Germans! Thanks for your great work and information.

[@KohleAudioKult]

Tough choice 🤪

[@MrMoustacheEatsCow]

can someone explain the reverse phase DI thing to me? I don't see the point

[@KohleAudioKult]

This video explains it. kzbin.info/www/bejne/eX3PaJ2ebJWSqLcsi=WVc_59q6RrU7mEBL

[@ilyavalentine8290]

Create guitar tone “as I lay dying”

[@vladv5126]

Honestly I think the originals sounded better.

[@stinkfloyd1]

Here I thought he reversed the phase because Gregor is a lefty guitarist😉

[@thedddemon]

Andy Sneap is such a sucker for showing the C4 trick (as well as more knowledge) in his forum. He created so much competition for himself.

[@dillpereira250]

I believe that nobody pays him for what technics he uses, but for his ears, taste and experience instead.

[@Jazzguitar00]

He isn't going to get replaced by a bunch of bedroom guitarists, so no, he's not a "sucker".