When do the FNAF Games HAPPEN In The Timeline?! | FNAF Theory

[@SkeldarkUmbras]

My problem with crying child seeing Elizabeth death is “What is seen in the shadows is easily misunderstood in the mind of a child.” Now it’s speculative that this may be in reference to CC but they’re the only ones we can attach this to at the time of the teaser. So an animatronic killing his sister is a pretty defined moment that can’t be misunderstood. He’s afraid of the animatronics not the character, which will be showing he understands the situation, not misunderstanding it.

[@syweb2]

Precisely. I always figured he saw someone getting into a springlock suit and misinterpreted it as them getting eaten by a robot, hence Nightmare Fredbear's design.

[@vincentadamsvga]

That and it would defeat the whole purpose of her counting gimmick.

[@siratcha_fire8388]

I would argue that the “what’s see in the shadows…” line along with the other lines about Chica’s beak and Four Games, One Story are no longer relevant to the lore as Scott was trying to point people to Dream Theory. As things got basically retconned due to the community response, those lines aren’t really meant to be for the new lore. That’s just my opinion though.

[@siratcha_fire8388]

I mean, there is just “remember what you saw.” So like, he could just seen something obvious rather than dream theory logic of him seeing an employee without a suit or something.

[@vincentadamsvga]

@@siratcha_fire8388 That is if Dream Theory was ever true in the first place, which I don't believe to be the case. Everything from FNaF4 is still relevant even if the context or meaning has been altered and when you really get into the details, while there are many points that could lead to Dream Theory, there are equally as many points going against it. It may have been the most popular conclusion but that doesn't mean it was right.

[@stiw91]

I noticed that you placed Midnight Motorist after Michael gets put into the nightmare experiments. If we’re assuming that William is the driver in MM, we create a problem with the identity of the runaway since the runway clearly isn't the crying child or Elizabeth. Maybe William saying “he’ll be sorry when he gets back” could be when he decided to put Michal in the experiments. It isn't a strong connection, but I think it does fit with the timeline you're making.

[@ajburr1060]

11:56 Here’s a thought I had, what if Williams wife passes from the fall fest fire/s and that’s how William discovered remnant or something along those lines. This would give him a reason in a timeline like this to have made the modifications to the funtimes while still having Elizabeth being scooped up by baby

[@Lumberjack_king]

I mean you realy cant blame Michael for failing at his job he was locked in the nightmare chambers since he was a teen not the best candidate for being a evil minion

[@JDM-is-my-name]

Yeah the guy was likely locked up throughout all of high school, he isn't gonna have the best skills for any job

[@Jacoboy27]

My disappointment when you didn't say the fnaf 3 didn't work because Michael Afton can't do anything right is immeasurable.

[@Takejiro24]

Is your day also ruined?

[@davidthecommenter]

@@Takejiro24 you could say his night was ruined

[@cenobittten]

A really excellent timeline. I disagree on a few points - mainly I think CC died first - but it was all solidly argued and narratively satifying. Great work!

[@RyeToast]

I appreciate that! And yeah I totally get Elizabeth First is probably the biggest stretch of this timeline , I just think it informs the FNAF 4 mini games so well. Although I have another pet theory that if crying child dies first, then William kills Charlotte next so that when he presents the idea of trying to bring back dead children, Henry is more on board and initially helps him with the funtimes. Probably backing out after Elizabeth's death

[@cenobittten]

@@RyeToast Honestly, Elizabeth First is totally valid, there's lots of things that make more sense narratively that way. I just dont personally find it as convincing from a timing POV. I like your pet theory a lot and think you might be on to something. I have wondered if William even let Elizabeth die deliberately to create a daughter who could live forever. Why else would he design Baby the way he did? He's already been shown not to be above experimenting with his own kids. It was all part of his immortality experinents. experiments, which we know he was doing from the Silver eyes (i'm FrightsFiction but it sense as a motivation for him)

[@Cr0wBe3]

I’ve recently hadn’t this idea but what if originaly the funtimes kidnapping mechanics were for child safety? Say if a fire happened with the fact lots of animatronics could free roam the voice modifications would be perfect for getting kids out of a recently started fire along with being able to count the kids or Freddy and baby being able to take children into there bodies but then of course William twisted them for kidnapping for some reason

[@RyeToast]

It's not a bad idea, we don't have a huge amount of evidence for it, but I could see it being interpreted like that. Especially if Henry was the one to originally design them, it could have been how William tricked him into doing it

[@Bard69]

Maybe because Circus Baby’s Pizza World was only open for one day, and we know that on that day Elizabeth was alone with baby and got scooped. So maybe she died and when William was grieving the loss of his child he saw the eyes change color. So maybe he knew that the animatronic was possessed so he changed the mechanics so that they could kidnap kids so he could figure out what caused the possession and maybe find a way to reverse it because of that famous line “I would put you back together.”

[@Lumberjack_king]

​@@RyeToastplus fire is common in this franchise

[@Markcrazeer]

the problem there is, why would the guy speaking to william be suspicious of these features, or at least not be able to get a straight answer if this was the case?

[@vincentadamsvga]

@@Bard69 William does not care for his children.

[@jeremymorris345]

16:50 Henry wasn't involved in FNAF 2. Quote from Phone Guy in FNAF 2, "We're going to try to contact the original restaurant owner. Uh, I think the name of the place was "Fredbear's Family Diner" or something like that. It's been closed for years though, I doubt we'll be able to track anybody down." If Henry made the Toys tracking him down shouldn't be a problem. It's more likely the Toys were just made by other mechanics using the withereds from a previous location.

[@josephschugel6538]

owner could just refer to william

[@jeremymorris345]

@@josephschugel6538 William works the first week... Also is associated with the MCI, so he likely got hired undercover.

[@wutrudoin5431]

The popular theory that they used pieces from the withereds to build the toys is unlikely, the toys are pretty obviously not made from the same material and Phone Guy only says that the withereds are just used for parts, but doesn't specifically mentioned what they need those parts for.

[@jeremymorris345]

@@wutrudoin5431 Still doesn't explain what the parts were used for or why the toys are haunted despite not being stuffed.

[@Shadow_Microwaive]

Maybe henry told the mechanics to add that kind of safety feature to protect kids. but it's more of a guess then a theory

[@ttecnk]

Never actually heard about "UCN being Cassady's game and FNaF:World being Charlotte's" interpretation. Love your theories!

[@bingonoid]

I feel like the Fall Fest stuff being William’s motive would be kind of odd considering how late in the series release history that would be. I mean if we just look at the Cawthon games alone it feels pretty good to have Michael’s brother dying as “where it all started” in terms of the central conflict. Fall fest could still be where we learn more about the history of the business and whatever tension between William and Henry existed before.

[@legoghostyoda]

yeah, from a story telling stand point it really makes a lot of sense to have CC be the starting point for everything but unfortunately that seems to have been lost in the lore building process

[@gamesuarx]

Something you should note: the FNAF 1 Freddy's and the OG Freddy's are most likely the same building. This is because FNAF 1 Freddy's has Safe Rooms with Springlock suits- smth that wouldn't make sense if the building was new. Additionally, in FNAF 2 Phone Guy says that "the new & improved Freddy's" not having security doors is due to a modern design of the building. If FNAF 1, which takes place after FNAF 2, had a new location, it wouldn't have doors either. Finally, when Henry describes FollowMe & MoltenMCI in the Insanity Ending, he says that the Purple Guy "lured them (the Classic animatronics) back to a familiar place", implying that FollowMe is essentially a repeat of the MCI, except with their animatronics now, and happens in the same building. And as a bonus: by the time FNAF 1 happens, Faz. Ent. is frequently specified to be nearing bankruptcy. It would make much more sense for them to reopen in an old building they already own than to spend money on constructing a new restaurant

[@br2891]

Scott already confirmed on a Reddit post long ago that the games we play are not the same as the in universe games so idk why ppl still think that. He also confirmed the fnaf 4 bite is the bite of 83 so that automatically makes it take place in 1983.

[@Hoodi3knee]

I like this timeline mostly but I have a few problems with it. In the fnaf 4 mini games one of the kids says “You'd better watch out. I hear they come to life at night. And if you die, they hide your body and never tell anyone.” This was originally probably for dream theory but I think it insinuates that the MCI has to happen before the crying child dies. The fnaf 3 mini games also have to take place before fnaf 1 because phone guy has recordings of the safe rooms being shut off, but also dies shortly before fnaf 1. So Afton has to die before fnaf 1.

[@RyeToast]

Yeah the first point is totally valid. Like my only good counterpoint would be that rumors don't necessarily need to be based in fact, but that's a great point. As far as follow me goes though. I think it is noteworthy that FNAF 1 looks closed during those mini games, The doors being boarded up and everything. And you can argue if the animatronics are pre or post withered, but they definitely aren't withered. And presumably between FNAF 2 and FNAF 1 they are withered. So if we take the safe room being locked up into account, it doesn't work. Because the spring lock suits need to be accessible for FNAF 2. So I think William breaks into the safe room post FNAF 1. Otherwise, I don't see a way that all of the details fit. The only evidence this goes against is phone dude saying they broke down a false wall, which I could see being interpreted in a way that makes this theory work

[@RabbiB0Y]

The mci happens in 1985

[@Wileybot2004]

Kinda crazy how this puts into perspective how smart William and Henry were, for example the facial recognition in the toy series to that level is something that only became a possibility in our 2010s and 2020s. Like I’m surprised that the DoD hasn’t turned Afton robotics into the next Raytheon.

[@Wileybot2004]

Like strap a minigun on the fun times and mass produce them.

[@gamesuarx]

Neither Henry nor Afton had anything to do with the Toy animatronics and their facial recognition. It is *specifically* said in FNAF 2 that Faz. Ent. have been unable to track down the owner of the ancient Fredbear's location, a.k.a. Henry. Same goes for William, since he works in the FNAF 2 Freddy's as a security guard under a fake name

[@gaminganimators7000]

Facial recognition was a thing in the 60s wasn't it?

[@klaibefhuoaiuwehjklbdfsnxnik]

This doesn't really relate to this theory, but I found it interesting. In The Mimic, the stand-in for Charlie (David, I think) dies from being hit by a car. This isn't that notable, but it's interesting it happened on accident. I have a mini-theory: I personally think this is trying to tell us that Charlie's death was an accident, and maybe William just tried to cover up his mistake. There isn't a ton of proof aside from this, but I think its worth bringing up.

[@duarte11_pt40]

Nice theory

[@RyeToast]

It's not a bad theory, because theoretically the only time we see it is William standing next to Charlie and then Charlie is dead. I do have another pet theory that if Elizabeth doesn't die first, then William killed Charlie after the death of the crying child so that Henry would be more willing to help him with the funtime experiments, probably backing out after Elizabeth dies

[@mohmdbak3062]

Its an interesting idea but with the way that the death is framed in the FNAF2 minigame it just doesn't look like an accident, not a bad idea though

[@syweb2]

Someone in another video noted how David's death, while superficially similar to Charlie's, not only has a lot of elements inverted, but also is thematically very different as well. Charlie was locked outside, while David ran outside of his own volition. Charlie's incident is very clearly framed as a murder, while David's is an accident. Charlie happens next to an active diner/pizzeria that she was visiting, while David happens near an _abandoned_ factory that he lives out of.

[@abbie_joan]

that's actually pretty compelling...the first death happening by accident...he tries to cover it up and Charlie begins haunting the puppet, he realizes that the puppet is acting strange and decides to modify the suits to kill kids as a messed up experiment but his own kid ends up being killed...he continues the experiment anyway but doesn't tell anyone what happened and continues to cover up the deaths...he tells his song to keep CC away from the animatronics but doesn't tell him why and being a kid who doesn't know how dangerous they are he jokes around and pokes fun at his brother's fear but accidentally gets his brother severely injured because the suits are a literal death trap

[@Gaylordthegreat]

I have a theory about Williams original motivation, but bear with me here. What if during fall fest there was a major incident causing a fire ( as heavily implied in hw2). In this fire William loses his wife/ the mother of his kids, giving him a reason to begin his search for a way to bring her back. This is backed by the fact that there is never any mention in any game of the afton kids mom. My thoughts are that Elizabeth wasn’t the only one being kept hidden away in that bunker, but Mrs. Afton as well inside ballora, as ballora is the only one (other than baby) that appears to be human like in her design and voice lines. Not only that but in SB there’s the table with the staff bots which seams to represent the afton family, one dressed as baby (Elizabeth), one dressed as ballora(Mrs Afton), and one missing a head (bite victim) I know it’s a bit of a stretch and I’m sorry if any of this doesn’t make sense

[@RyeToast]

While yes, that is a stretch, I think it's a good theory and very compelling. I could see them taking it in this direction. We just unfortunately don't have any evidence for it

[@JSLMYT]

re. the fire killing Mrs. Afton. While it isn't really evidence, Clara (presumably a stand in for Mrs. Afton in 'The Immortal and the Restless') says that she "set the house on fire." Now this proves absolutely nothing, but is does link a seemingly Mrs. Afton character to fire.

[@gamesuarx]

Sorry, but this theory is entirely debunked by Security Breach. The Afton Staffbots in the sticky notes room have scrapped dialogue in the game files, where it's revealed that mrs. Afton simply left the Purple Guy after he lost his job. This is additionally supported by SL's "Immortal & the Restless" show, where the wife leaves Vlad

[@broderickfoster2107]

Had this theory while you were making the video, I don’t know how well it stands up to everything lore wise but just thought it could be interesting. What if “The One You Should Not Have Killed” / Cassidy died in Fall Fest? Specifically in a fire that William might have accidentally caused. I bring this up because something obviously happened at Fall Fest, and Cassidy doesn’t ever really fit into a timeline position of where she died and why she has such a vendetta against William. What if it’s more William blaming himself for a death that was actually an accident and ultimately leads to a psychotic breakdown that results in everything else we see happen. I guess a fire because of Jack O’ Chica in UCM which has the following lines of importance: “I am a burning reminder of your misdeeds” and “Greetings from the fire and the one you should not have killed”. Now I recognize the burning and fire could just be because the characters gimmick is being on fire, but I feel like there could be more to that. The one you should not have killed monicker becomes more about self guilt in addition to a vengeful spirit. Essentially making Cassidy the first victim and the catalyst of everything, if Fall Fest hadn’t happened resulting in her death then none of the other tragedies would ever have occurred either. I don’t know, not a very thought out theory just kinda something that fit in my head in the moment.

[@placeholdername7797]

this is a really awesome idea, it's super narratively compelling and brings cassidy back as a main player. it also gives her title a lot more sense, since as of rn, the whole "one you should not have killed" doesn't make a whole lot of sense since he really didn't have a good reason to kill *any* of the children, and the idea that her murder was more brutal is purely speculation. the idea that her murder was one set apart at the beginning is way better, although i'd have to think more about how she could possess the golden freddy suit while it's in use at the diner after fall fest.

[@GJames-Legend101]

Crazy idea but what if William also put the other fnaf 4 bullies in the nightmare chambers and experimented on them as well.

[@RyeToast]

It's not impossible, we just don't have evidence for it

[@Hoshi_TheHusky]

​@@RyeToasttrue-

[@EnderDoesThings]

Maybe the SL animatronics weren’t meant to abduct. Maybe due to some incident at fallfest, possibly a kidnapping of a kid. William, with all the work he and henry had put into circus baby’s, decided to add some safety measures. Now, if the animatronics spotted a kid in possible danger, they could grab them and keep them safe. However, this system clearly had some kinks to work out, so William told his daughter to stay away. She didn’t listen, and the system bugged out, trapping her inside. William, distraught by this, then became the psychotic guy we know him as. After all, his own daughter died to the very system he had built to *protect* other people’s kids.

[@Shockerada]

As for Williams motive, what if it's Henry's fault Elizabeth is dead? Like what if the kidnapping mechanism was intended for a different reason other than kidnapping?? Idk what else for but it would make sense why he hates Henry, and why Henry would make the security bot.

[@hannahcrutchfield3906]

Hear me out... Edwin is a parallel to Henry in the books which would explain why he says "a wound first inflicted on me" because his first son was killed long before he met William.

[@UltraCenterHQ]

Side note, but Withered Freddy's design freaked me out back when it was released. The idea of the corporation purposefully making their own mascot into a horrific monster. It just rubs me the wrong way. Sister Location just didn't give the same vibe though. Maybe because Withered looked like Classic but something just looked off. Uncanny. It's kinda subtle if you don't have them side by side

[@cherrylimeali4393]

The Withered animatronics look comparatively the most similar to real life animatronics. They're solid designs.

[@nxmx6ix]

It's the eyes and big mouths, something that triggers the brain into thinking it's a threat.

[@UltraCenterHQ]

@@nxmx6ix It's the less "relaxed" eyes and the complete sets of teeth. Like it was made specifically to rip your skull open

[@tiffanydelrose4131]

Hey Rye, I have a couple of things I’d like you to look into. 1. Who came first? Mangle or Funtime Foxy? If the toy in the little girl bedroom is Mangle, does that mean Mangle is like the Prototype of what Funtime Foxy came to be after William modified the Funtimes? 2. I feel like Phone Guy is a bit inconsistent. I was looking over the transcripts and a couple things had me confused. In FNAF 2 he mentioned about Foxy being his favorite, but in FNAF 1, he referred to Foxy as “the character “ when talking about pirates cove. Did he lose his memory? Also, the phone call about sealing the back room has to happen after Follow Me. However, if Follow me happens after FNAF 1, then phone guy is already dead. How does he make the call about sealing the back room if Follow me is happening after FNAF 1?

[@Sonicmid]

1. Mangle the toy is likely a gift from the girl at the swingset, since she has all toys of the characters 2. Fnaf 2 is a prequel phone guy just became more edgier due to the stuff he sees and has to deal with 3. The location in Fnaf 1 is the same as the 1985 MCI location. The safe rooms are sealed up because of the spring lock failure. William uses sealed up room to take out the kids and killed them

[@tiffanydelrose4131]

@@Sonicmid 1. i would like to know what evidence you have for this. 2. I understand that, I’m just saying that if Foxy was his favorite, he would still refer to him by his name and not just “the character “. 3. I know all the information about what the rooms are and why they were sealed. Night 4 in FNAF 1 is when phone guy dies. Rye is say Follow me is happening after FNAF 1. Phone guy can’t make the call about sealing the rooms if he’s already dead.

[@gamesuarx]

Phone Guy saying Foxy is his favorite is most likely fanservice, as at the time, Foxy was by far the most popular character in the fandom

[@tiffanydelrose4131]

@@gamesuarx it’s possible. Im just saying from a storyline perspective, it seems off.

[@tau-5794]

1. Funtime Foxy isn't the same animatronic as Mangle's parts but they are both the same character. We actually see a non-broken Mangle in FNAF world and it's called Funtime Foxy. The funtime animatronics likely just took that pink and white color scheme and made it on all of them instead of just one. 2. There's also probably just two phone guys. They're voiced by Scott but that's because he's a low budget developer and recording himself for the first three games which all came out in just one year was probably easier than finding voice actors like he did from SL onwards.

[@mrghost545]

I think imo that SL was supposed to clarify that Michael was the protagonist through the games bc we didn’t realize he was supposed to be with Fnaf 4, and SL was like a slap in the face for it, but I think it also retconned Michael and cc being Henry’s kids to Williams, and Elizabeth’s death being an extra layer to add to Williams downward spiral, and I personally think SL is supposed to be before Fnaf 2 with gibis interpretation of molten MCI and Fnaf world, so imo I think the order was meant to be CC, Elizabeth, charlotte, MCI, nightmare experiments, Molton MCI, CBEAR opens, Michaels goes to SL, scooped, Fnaf world opening and closing of clock ending scenes, revived and Ennard loose, Fnaf 2 opens, DCI, Omc Fnaf world mini game, Fnaf 2 gameplay, bite of 87, Fnaf world gameplay, William destroys animatronics and spring locked, safe rooms sealed, Fnaf 1 opens with new animatronics, phone guy death, Michael works their, then jump cut years later then it’s the fnaf 4 nightmares, logbook, Fnaf 3, Fnaf 6, then finally UCN, with happiest day being the last event, remember I can always be wrong, I just follow Gibis timeline except instead of Elizabeth being between Charlie and the MCI I place her between cc and Charlotte, nothing I say is fact, I loved the video papi rye keep up the good work! ❤️💯

[@armande9048]

Maybe fallfest went wrong because of Henry so William decided to turn the funtimes into killing machines to possibly kill charlie, getting revenge on Henry with his own creations. And when it went wrong, he decided to do it himself.

[@pigeonjoey]

If fall fest had a traumatic event during with fire maybe that's what started it all maybe the first death was his wife at fall fest.

[@Nelsito99]

I think something that people overlook is that the fnaf 1 and withers have different endos I point this out as people use the endos as the reason that follow me has to be after fnaf 1 but if the withers and fnaf 1 endos are different and we know they are different based off of foxy showing parts of his endo in fnaf 1 and 2 then the endos can be changed but are still haunted by the same kids like how does wither freddy and fnaf 1 freddy have the same soul if they are completely different in suit and endo

[@v.v365]

The one eternal snag is how Elizabeth Afton died. She was killed by Circus Baby who was designed to catch children left alone, but in your proposed timeline William made murderous alterations to the Fun Time animatronics after Henry built them initially. But Elizabeth’s death was part of the catalyst for William Afton’s paranoia and obsessions with bringing the robots to life using souls. So this timeline essentially says that Elizabeth died before Baby was made into a child-murdering robot, which can’t make sense.

[@UnwantedGhost1-anz25]

*"Unfortunately, Michael Afton can't do anything right."* - RyeToast

[@syweb2]

Nice video. You've got good editing and a cat, what's not to love? Here are my thoughts as I watched: 5:02 I would put it as before FNaF 1, since Phone Guy has to be alive to talk about the safe room being blocked off, and I'm pretty sure they're reusing an existing building so the layout isn't super indicative. 12:45 CC sees something that he _misinterprets,_ and this is too straightforward for that. Based on Nightmare Fredbear's design, he saw part of the process of an employee get into a springlock suit, and misinterpreted it as the animatronic eating a person through its torso. That ties into FNaF 4's overall story the best, and doesn't put Circus Baby's Pizza World too early, since this frees it up to be put later. 14:44 Doesn't this minigame show that the puppet's job is to keep children in the building? That doesn't line up with what you described. 17:00 The Toy animatronics, to me, look almost like predecessors to the Funtimes, with their rosy cheeks, hard plastic shells, and advanced specs like facial recognition. Plus, with the "small fortune" spent on them and the fact that the FNaF 2 people are "looking for the original restaurant owner", I speculate that Henry wasn't involved with FNaF 2, but William was, or at least his company Afton Robotics (I assume some of the weirdly advanced robotics they've been getting up to have other buyers outside of Freddy's, giving them the money to do this with). William would then sign on as a night shift guard undercover in order to observe the animatronics, but chickens out after they get aggressive. We know the rest, DCI, lockdown, previous employees get banned from entry, Jeremy goes in for night 6 for whatever reason, Bite. Despite all my comments, I don't disagree on your placement of the games, which I think is very sensible and coherent. This is all about the more speculative backstory stuff.

[@ballooniside3316]

FNAF 4 - 1983 FNAF 2 1987 FNAF 1 1993 FNAF SL 1993 - 2023 FNAF 3 2023 FNAF 6 2023-2030 Ucn 2023 - 2030 Help Wanted 2030 Sb 2035 Help wanted 2 - 2035 Sb RUIN 2035 Reasoning: FNAF 4 - The reason I put 1983 is because the encyclopedia states that he is the main protagonist of FNaF 4 with images that seem to be tied with fnaf 4 gameplay (I know its more logical that Michael is the protagonist but i'm not entirely sure. FNAF 2 - It says the paycheck... thats it FNAF 1 - Matpat said so... nah im kidding but it could be the year 2000 because of the movie but im not quite certain. FNAF SL - okay I know that this is really controversial and I agree idk why I put SL at 2023 the only reason would be HOW DOES IT TAKE 30 YEARS FOR MICHAEL TO FIND WILLIAM but seriously he is rotting corpse at some point hes gonna get exorcised or something. But its after Follow Me (I think that William told Michael to look for his sister before Follow Me and once he died was around the same time Michael got scooped because even though Follow Me directly shows the animatronics used for remnant the Funtimes existed much early with things like Mangle who I think is Funtime Foxy, HW 2 with the 1970s circus poster but thats my thoughts on it. FNAF 6 - It after FNaF 3 so idk know also Henry is like 80 - 100 at this point. UCN - I mean its Heck so it technically could be anywhere but its after fnaf 6 true ending. HW - Its before security breach which takes place in around the 2030's I believe. Sb - fuhnaff say its 2035 so thats why I said 2035 but most likely 2030s ish HW 2 - same thing as HW but the opposite since we know its AFTER Sb. RUIN - idk somewhere close to sb but idk (I just realised I haven't watch the f-ing video yet)

[@Igor_Dust414]

I think FNAF 4 gameplay is Michael's Nightmares in between shifts during FNAF 1

[@Igor_Dust414]

And SL is Before FNAF 2

[@Igor_Dust414]

Also how FNAF 6 is 2023-2035 if HW is in 2030 and SB-Ruin is in 2035 It still Burns you say?

[@Wizardjones69]

​@@Igor_Dust414dittophobia confirms sl post fnaf 1

[@GhostyDC1]

Fnaf SL takes place in 1987💀💀💀

[@GJames-Legend101]

They should make a fnaf timeline book that can tell us all the events and when they happened.

[@GospodinWolf]

Maybe the reason that William made modifications to Funtimes is because of Vanessa running away from home, or ran away completely because her dad's an abuser, so maybe she got adopted; she might be a parallel to Sammy, who knows(also this theory stands on twin theory, not 2 Vanny's, but rather Elizabeth and Vanessa both being twins, so it might be the reason why robot human copies exist). From there, Funtimes are programmed to kidnap kids to bring them anywhere William wanted them too, and when the Funtime code worked on Elizabeth, and she accidentaly died, only THEN William decided to create this "fear inducing testing chamber" to keep other kids close, and for them to not try to run away from home. Also, i guess Fallfest of 1970 is the event on which William and Henry met for the first time and started their business, until 1983, after which, already lost in grief(lost Elizabeth, CC, and probably Vanessa), Afton burns it to the ground, perhaps maybe even killing someone in the process. And THAT might have been the night in which William killed Charlie(Perhaps not, because it was raining when Charlie was killed, but who knows, that's only a theory).

[@avengerboy2171]

I have a theory as to why the FNAF 1 animatronics like Freddy, Bonnie, Chica and Foxy look different in FNAF 2. I'm not sure if I'm the first person to create this theory but I did think of it myself. I call the theory "Remodeled" theory. It starts at Fredbear's Family Diner in 1983 and I'm one to believe that in some part of Fredbear's that Freddy and his gang existed along side Fredbear and Springbonnie, after the bite of 1983, Henry and William opened up Freddy Fazbears for the first time in 1985 (not the time of the FNAF 1 Game) thanks to the success of Fredbears, but due to the "Missing Childrens Incident" it gets shut down and Henry suspected William was the killer and kicked him out of the company, then in 1987 Henry opened up the "New Freddy Fazbears" which takes place in FNAF 2. At some point William sneaks back into The New Pizzeria and gets back into his old Springbonnie suit, he causes another "Missing Childrens Incident" and the pizzeria shuts down, then in 1993 Henry who still technically owns the first Freddy Fazbears which was abandoned. He decided to changed the looks of the animatronics suits but used old fabric he found lying around (because its likely he was sued for the bite of 87 and probably the missing childrens incident) in a attempt to maybe try and do a reopening for the restaurant but ultimately decided not to, then we see the events of the FNAF 1 Game play out until sometime after the events of the game, Afton comes back to the pizzeria to destroy the animatronics, then the springlock incident then the rest of the games unfold, there might be holes in the theory but the is the best I can do with the info I have from the games. This isn't including new info we got from the FNAF Movie because thats seperate from the games.

[@Igor_Dust414]

FFD/Fall Fest 1970-1983 Fredbear and Springbonnie Animatronics/Springlock Suits were made by Henry Emily and William Afton FFP 1 Founded in 1983 June 26 198X ,5 children were murdered by William Afton in Spring Bonnie Springlock Costume After many years FFP closes by the end of the year 198X FFP Reopened in 1987 "After being open only a few short weeks, Freddy Fazbear's Pizza is closing it's doors. The new animatronics will be scrapped due to possible malfunctions, however the original characters are being kept in hopes of a possible reorganization of the company. "It's a minor setback. We are confident that we will reopen someday, with a much smaller budget." FFP Re-Reopened in 1988-93

[@henriquelopes87]

The best part is that i had the same interpretation of fnaf 4 that you have, for about 3 years now, happy to see i'm not the only one

[@THEREALDK1]

A reason that William could be turning the sl animatronics into killing machines could be because someone who he was close to died in fall fest causing him to be mad at henry for continuing the series (fall fest). P.S. it could explain where the hell Mrs. Afton is at

[@Igor_Dust414]

9:34 only CC was alive in Midnight Motorist after William killed Charlie in Security Puppet Cuz it's called later that night

[@Sonicmid]

I think the timeline 1987: Fnaf 2 1993: fnaf 1 and sister location 2023: Fnaf 4 gameplay,Fnaf 3, Fnaf 6 I not sure when sb,vr2 happened tho

[@beauxsbeauxs9842]

I feel like they should make the next game a sequel to FNaF security breach Ruin

[@cjperkinsboy1293]

Fnaf 1 is actually 1992 because of payment policies with the companies, lining up dates with fnaf 2 and the same days of the week being translated to the month and days of the fnaf 1 check we realize that fnaf 1 is 1992. Also, fnaf 3 would be either 2022 for 30 years after the fnaf 1 location closes or 2017 meaning 30 years after the most popular location closing 1987

[@nbclover7880]

I think Follow Me takes place before FNAF 1 because it explains why the fnaf 1 animatronics are such a different design from the withered animatronics. William took the old animatronics apart to try to find out why/how they were possessed, and then they were rebuilt later by fazbear corporate (which he is no longer involved with, being a murder suspect) This makes sense because scott was probably trying to tie up that weird continuity in fnaf 3 to make the story more cohesive

[@madraccoon1455]

it dosn't make sense for SL to be so early in timeline, it literally have been said that SL was created after "unfortunate accident in freddy fazbear pizza" so it has to happen at least after 1985, but me and many others believe it happend between fnaf 1 and fnaf 3. For me it has the most sense that it happend right before fnaf 3, because it would mean that Mike line "I'am going to come find you" explains him as mc in fnaf 3

[@AboutToWreckHavoc]

I think his point was for it to be Circus Baby’s Pizza World, not Circus Baby’s Rentals and something- lol

[@madraccoon1455]

@@AboutToWreckHavoc thank you for correcting me, i forgot it's different things, but then there is different problem if CBPW is earlier in the timeline, then molten MCI dosn't work, but he believes it happened and as he says there is no motive for Afton to build CBPW, before MCI or even before Charlie

[@AboutToWreckHavoc]

@@madraccoon1455 yeah that’s what I was thinking too

[@267BR]

Wait Rye real quick, did you forget to mention the Mediocre Melodie's as Henry's animatronics by accident or it's not accurate anymore?

[@jesusdaidiotice]

Please, don't be too harsh on it. My timeline: - Freddy's open - 1983 - Bite of 83 - 1983 - Charlie is killed - 1983/1984 - MCI - 1985 - Freddy's closed - 1986 - William begins experimenting on Michael - 1986/1987 - William builds the Funtime Animatronics to kill more children, but Elizabeth ends up dying - 1986/1987 - William tells Michael to put his sister back together and Sister Location happens - 1987 - New Freddy's open. While Michael is at the bunker, William goes to the location, kills five more children, FNaF 2 happens. After William got caught in the MCI as a suspect back in the day, now he disappears - 1987 - Ennard and Baby leave Michael - 1987 - Michael hears about the FNaF 2 murders. As he definitely knew his father was a suspect on the MCI and not knowing where he was at the time, makes the correct assumption William was the killer all along. As a corpse, goes to FNaF 2 location looking for his father. Is fired for tampering with the animatronics and odor in special night - 1987 - FNaF 2 location closes - 1987 - FNaF 1 location opens, Michael goes looking for William - 1993 - William, after being God knows where for five years, goes to FNaF 1 location and dies - 1993 - As William never turned off the nightmare gas, Michael for decades have the same nightmare every night. One set of these nightmares is FNaF 4 - Between 1993 and 2023 - FNaF 3 happens - 2023 - Pizza Sim happens - Post 2023 I know these timeline has three big problems: how the Withered animatronics get to be so withered in just 1 year? How William got nightmare gas that seemly never ends? And where are Ennard and Baby for 40 years between they left Michael and returned for Pizza Sim? But that's the best timeline I can come up to with what the games gave us, sorry. Blame the games for being this crazy, man.

[@Sonicmid]

22:43 in my opinion I don’t think Cassidy is the vengeful spirit nor is she the one behind UNC in my opinion, it’s Andrew hear me out I have proof . Toy chica, anime cut scenes actually kill 7 people in the first there’s already a foxy hook, which likely represents Charlie . In curse of dread bear, there is 8 graves surrounding Williams grave. . NedBears line implies the person has been through a similar situation as William where they’ve been hunted down by animatronics. “ this is how it feels and you get to experience it over and over again” (in my opinion, I think Andrew was an Fnaf 4 experiment victim) . Orville line says “ he tried to release you. He tried to release us, but I’m not gonna let that happen. I will hold you here. I will keep you here no matter how many times they burn us” notice how he says us. Andrew possesses William, so that line of us makes more sense because they both were burn together . Chica and mangle treat the one you should not have killed as a rarity like nobody has seen them before which doesn’t work for golden Freddy because they are literally a team. Chica was there when golden Freddy was born. And shown interacting with him in the Fnaf 2 opening cutscenes and mangle is literally influenced by them. (there’s an Easter egg in mangle fnaf 2 file with golden Freddy titled “yellow”) . Happiest day is for Cassidy because 1. The story was meant to end after 3 and there was no brother story. 2. Golden Freddy, I don’t believe has two spirits and every other continuity he’s just one person. 3. Crying child is stated to not be in 3 meaning that happiest day wasn’t for him. (In my opinion, I think bite victim didn’t possess anything but his memories shattered across the series) . Old man consequences says leave the demon to his demons. Implying that the one torturing William is just like him. . Everybody refers to the one you should not have killed as a guy . There’s a weird theme that in UCN that implies that William and Andrew are the same William hates Henry and Andrew hates William.

[@jeremymorris345]

My timeline FNAF 4 Minigames (1983) Midnight Motorist/FNAF 0 (1985) Baby's Pizza World (1985-1986ish) SL Gameplay/FNAF 2 William's Nights (1987) FNAF 2 Michael's Night's (1987) Springtrap Minigame (1992) FNAF 1 (1992) FNAF 3 (2015 or 2022) FNAF 6 (2017 or 2023 maybe) UCN (Same as FNAF 6) FNAF 4 Gameplay would take place anywhere after 1985, it would start dittophobia style until SL were it switchs to being actual dreams. FNAF World (sometime before FNAF 6)

[@RevengeoftheBallen831]

23:31 My only concern would be FNAF World, with its numerous connections to both FNAF 3 and SL, which makes me think that it should take place around that time.

[@mamadev7687]

there's 30 years between fnaf 1 and 3, on top of the fact that michael was most likely born in 1970 or slightly before. meaning he would be 50+ in fnaf 3

[@tau-5794]

Well he was also a walking corpse by then, assuming SL happens sometime around 1993. So he might be 50 but his body wouldn't likely be much older than 20.

[@skylerhammer6275]

you know what fnaf needs really is a prequel game that focused on william's falling into madness and what the afton family was like before it went overbored

[@aromaladyellie]

Fazbear Entertainment was established in 1983, but maybe the franchise is older than that. It just became “a corporate entity” in ‘83. Might fix a few issues with the timeline.

[@zPlazmaSoldier]

According to the voice from Sister Location, Circus Baby's pizza world opened after Freddy Fazbears closed the first time. This means it has to have opened after the first FREDDYS location closes, placing it towards the beginning of the timeline, but not before 1985(correct me if I'm wrong) with the game itself taking place just before FNAF 3.

[@fenrisnox5766]

An idea I thought of with Fall Fest is what if someone William cared about died in the event that burned it down. While doubtful due to her lack of anything in the story, maybe Afton's wife was a performer who died at the burning of Fall Fest, her costume being the direct inspiration for Ballora and the minireenas being children who she saved at the cost of her own life. Purely speculation in a wild way, but I think it explains her absence, Ballora's design/association with the minireenas and later bidybabs, and possibly give Afton a motive. I did see another comment talk about fire safety as the intended function and maybe it was until Afton tampered with the programming, be it accidental or intentional, likely because he didn't know his wife died before the dust settled and blamed the people she tried to save for her death. Entirely possible I'm just going off the deep end with this, but thought I'd share anyways.

[@GendoRokabundi]

When I think of the FNAF timeline, and the order of deaths, I think a big pivotal moment is when William learns about the supernatural. We know he eventually studies remnant and takes apart the originals. He witnesses possessed animatronics both in circus baby and in the fnaf2 location. So the questions are: how early could he learn about it, what things don’t require a knowledge of the paranormal and what things require (or make more sense with) the paranormal. In terms of events that don’t require William knowing about the paranormal: the bite of 83, the death of Charlie and the MCI fit. Things that make more sense with him knowing about the supernatural would include: the nightmare experiments, the creation of the funtimes, sending Mike to the FNAF2 location. As for how William would find out about the supernatural: it would have to come after one of the deaths. Seeing the puppet or the originals acting independently could accomplish this. Seeing Baby would be huge. What about the bite of 83? If the crying child, perhaps possessing the plush or even just haunting the Afton home, were appearing to Micheal (golden Freddy outside the window in midnight motorist) William might also have experienced similar things. So my proposal would be: first we have the bite. Then we have midnight motorist marking the period where William discovers the supernatural. This leads him to first start the nightmare experiments, solving two problems at once. Both studying how CC’s fear might have allowed his spirit to linger and keeping Micheal in line. The Funtimes are then created as a means of getting more test subjects. Which leads to Elizabeth’s death. This leaves Charlie and the MCI open to go just about anywhere. Charlie seems to be tied to Midnight Motorist. Circus Baby’s pizza and the rental company timeline wise are also important. It seems like the original Freddy’s closing is what causes the rental company to begin. The pizzeria makes sense to have opened in the wake of the closure of Fredbear’s. It explains why a springlock costume was created for that restaurant, and would be a perfect opportunity to launch a new spin off with the original “sister location” no longer up and running.

[@KeanuMeliendrez]

Question didn't the withers came first and then got redesigned into the FNAF 1 versions later on by Henry?

[@Sonicmid]

No they were always the classics but when they were being changed in 1987, they became the unwithered animatronics so they could be retrofitted with the new technology but the company thought they look ugly so they replaced them with the toys and left them in the back to rot away.

[@KeanuMeliendrez]

@@Sonicmid Thanks, now I understand.

[@Igor_Dust414]

​@@SonicmidWTF!?

[@Igor_Dust414]

YES!

[@Skyla_Gaia]

ok so the restaurant timeline is like this for the freddy's brand [not including fnaf 3] Fredbears Family Diner, Freddy fazbear's Junior's [ NO WITHERED ANIMICTRONICS] Freddy Fazbear's Pizza, Freddy fazbears juniors [Has withered animictronics due to the fall of Freddy fazbear's pizza, This is not a diffrent restaurant] Sister Location (maybeeee)

[@The_Scronkle]

How is the crying child dead in the midnight motorist game if he snuck out?

[@TheCollector2401]

FNAF 4 cutscenes 1983, FNAF 2 1987, FNAF SL, FNAF 1 1990, FNAF 4 game during FNAF 1, FNAF 3 2013-17, FNAF WORLD, FNAF 6, UCN, FNAF HW, FNAF AR, FNAF SB 2020, FNAF HW2, FNAF RUIN

[@heyheyitsjae2475]

5:02 It is worth nothing that Phone Guy dies before the events of FNAF 1, yet it FNAF 3 he mentions the sealing of the backrooms that trapped Springtrap in the first place, so Follow Me could also fall in between 2 and 1.

[@kadenisnotreal]

I don't have a lot of evidence for this... But i think Mrs Afton might have died at Fall Fest and that's what turns William into a murderer? Help Wanted 2 shows us that there was a fire at Fall Fest. I think that fire killed William's wife and i think that Henry might have been the one to start it. In midnight Motorist, i think the yellow guy is William. I think the yellow color symbolizes him before he started killing. I think he killed Charlotte because that was revenge in his eyes. I want to go more into this, ive really been working hard on this but i obviously cant do that in a comment section lol. But yeah, thats just an idea. Could be why shes never around.

[@scraptrapmemeboy]

never let bro cook again

[@yoshimilkman3692]

I really like the narrative that Michael Afton can't do anything right. I enjoy good "screw-up" characters, and makes his "redemption" in Pizza Sim very cool. Also makes for a more satisfying less disjointed narrative.

[@stromageddon8205]

The musical backing on this video is out of this world A+

[@benwelsh5265]

Someone cooked. Elizafirst is a brave choice but honestly, I can get behind it. I think the idea William needs BV to die first is a skewed understanding of his character at best and a really bad assumption at worst. William is just a bad dude, whatever made him like that probably pre-dates FNAF 4 so I could totally see him being well into his mad scientist era early in the timeline which I'm sure displeases many fans but oh well. The only problem I have is BV being the one to witness Elizabeth's death. Baby's child killing programming only activated once there was only 1 person in the room. Sure BV could've been hiding but it seems like a specific detail about Baby Scott wrote in to hammer in the fact Elizabeth's death had no witnesses. Also lol poor Michael I really like the emerging thought that Michael Afton from the games really is just Vanessa from the movie i.e. reluctant minion to an abusive dad who tries to do the right thing in the end.

[@DekelLRPG]

1:09 A FNAF THEORY

[@jordanj.scavone224]

Rye! Brain blast! What if the Fun Times weren't intended to kill, but to protect. The Fall Fest Fire caused Afton to create animatronics that protect to keep kids safe in the event of a future fire, but due to his inexperience he messes up and Elizabeth dies.

[@lrcronk9874]

My timeline: FNAF 0 (Origins): 1979 FNAF 4 (minigames/gameplay): 1983&93 FNAF 5 (Into Madness): 1985 FNAF 2: 1987 FNAF 1: 1993 FNAF 3: 2023 (end of the year) FNAF World: 2023 FNAF SL: 2023 (shortly after 3) FNAF 6: 2023-2024 (new year) FNAF UCN: (2023-forever) FNAF AR: 2024 FNAF Help Wanted: 2024 FNAF Security Breach: 2035 FNAF Help Wanted 2: 2036 FNAF Security Breach Ruin: 2037 Reasons: 1. In the sister location cutscene where Michael is talking it shows us a burned down Fazbears freights, so to me this conversation would be happening after FNAF 3. 2. I believe that the FNAF 4 gameplay is happening to both Afton brothers aka both during FNAF 4 and during FNAF 1 because of the height of our character (the crying child) and because we hear the FNAF 1 phone call (Michael). 3. William did leave instructions for Michael but obviously Michael isn't the best at following instructions, so Michael going through FNAF 3 30 years after his dad went missing, after burning Fazbears fright and then finding the sister location bunker in the most obvious place would technically be very on brand for him, just saying 😑: Michael isn't very bright. Don't attack me it's my timeline, but let me know what you think. 🐻🐰🐥🦊

[@mylam658]

I'm very iffy about the "elizabeth first" bit, but the rest of your timeline seems convincing.

[@hopscotch5617]

I thought it was William the one who created the funtimes. The twisted ones support the hallucinating discs with the inscription "Afton robotics"

[@TheNoble117]

What if Elizabeth was injured during the fall fest incident, which he blames Henry for. Making William both super protective over her and wanting to ruin Henry’s reputation.

[@buckethatboy8719]

"Sammy Emily really could be in the games and maybe he kicked William in the shins or something." SCREAMINGGGGG

[@ch33zelouiz]

3:29 What if the reason Freddy’s restaurants were “rebooted” wasn’t because of a missing child incident only but somewhere in the timeline it was the burning down of “Freddy’s fall fest” then the restaurant was opened after fall fest using animatronics they still had from fall fest. Just an idea. Details not really but I feel like fall fest has so much more in it then we realize. Like why is moon there and why is moon different from security breach moon that still bugs me (the teeth move in help wanted 2 but security breach is a solid face.) also why can moon practically fly. We’ve seen it many times now? Moon HAS to be far more important then we realize (when I say moon I mean moon and sun just easier to type that way) Just some random thoughts I’ve had. We focus so much on specific things right now I feel like we’re ignoring other details. Like fr I want fnaf theorists to go back and play all the games in the order they came out and just see what details they notice now that they forgot about because they weren’t important at the time. I’m SURE there’s details we’re missing that solidify some theories we have.

[@ch33zelouiz]

I really hope we get a fall fest game eventually fr. Like I don’t really care about present fnaf timeline that much. I want to know how the hell we have these amazing animatronics with this crazy AI system too. A random thought I had a while back that I don’t really think is true would be that anything that’s like the here 1983 was really 2083 but that falls apart quickly. There’s something about the fnaf universe that we don’t understand yet like where they are in human advancement rather then an exact parallel to our world + spooky bots. Side note I want to see a video from you going over “details you may have missed” or “details you don’t remember” catching people up to details we know for sure at this point and HOW we know them. It’s been so long since fnaf started people forget where it all came from. Minus dream theory lol

[@ch33zelouiz]

Also why is carny the same animatronic as lefty? ??

[@ch33zelouiz]

14:44 Also what’s with the security puppet showing up in fnaf 6? It’s clearly different? We see the puppet 15:18 in that scene but what’s with the security puppet in fnaf 6 as an item

[@jonathanhibberd9983]

This timeline feels pretty right to me. I really like putting Elizabeth first. Too many people let the lack of KNOWN motive and the more advanced state of the funtimes scare them off from putting her too early, but the rare concrete evidence we have, namely the empty girl's room and broken Mangle toy, heavily suggests she's first. And we don't have any known motive for anything in the series, so why should that be an issue for this one instance? I personally think MCI comes next. There's Chika's line "I was the first", and I don't think CC saw Elizabeth. I think he saw William stuffing another kid into a suit, as part of the MCI. It's much easier to write off "no, you didn't see me stuffing a dead kid into a furry suit, you're mistaken", than it is to write off "no, you didn't see your sister get sucked into a giant clown doll, she's just... living on a farm upstate?". After that, CC and Charlie can come in either order. But I can see CC coming first, and then Charlie as retribution.

[@porcelainchips6061]

Funtimes being Henry's design still sits weird with me, mostly because of The Mangle. Funtime Foxy is directly related to Toy Foxy; phone guy said they "tried to re-design Foxy" but the new design did not take; the children found it more fun to dismantle Toy Foxy then to interact with it as intended, meanwhile the other new Toy designs for the Toy Series were popular enough with the target audience to be respected and enjoyed as intended. We then see the Funtimes are all inspired by Toy Foxy's design in Sister Location. All information we get about the Mangle within FNAF2 indicates that re-design was just for Foxy; they made a choice to experiment with giving Foxy a new design, while leaving the other characters much more recognizable / similar to their original design. Because of the emphasis of Mangle being a one-off redesign as part of the Toy Series launch, I really really doubt the Funtimes existed before the Toy Series. Instead it seems much more likely that whoever made the Toy Foxy redesign like it enough, that even though children did not like it, they then took it and made an entire series of animatronics with a similar color theme / design theme. So then, if we look at the over-arching narrative themes in FNAF, a very common theme is that Henry was somehow a more talented or more creatively-rich individual then William Afton, while Afton was a very envious and perhaps petty individual. In different stories Afton is sometimes shown having to steal the work of others, due to his own ideas not seeming to be as "good" or perhaps as "marketable". So I would suggest that Toy Foxy was Afton's artistic attempt at re-designing Foxy and that it was unsuccessful. Then later, when given the opportunity to create his own line of Mascots he goes back to that unpopular design and uses it anyway; because it's his design. In the same way, I've always wondered if Fredbear is Afton's "bear design" and if Freddy is Henry's "bear design" and again "Bonnie" is Henry's and "Spring Bonnie" is Afton's. The reason I think this, again, is it fits with the theme of Bonnie and Freddy are popular enough to continue forward and Fredbear & Spring Bonnie are not carried on. One last, LAST bit I will point out is Balloon Boy and Sun/Moon; He is introduced in FNAF2 and is not popular; he's his own "thing" and nothing else relates to him / he isn't advertised much. Then, in Sister Location we see humanoid heads and puppets very similar lying around in the bunker. And also two of the Funtimes are human-ish "doll-like" characters; think of how Balloon Boy could blend in with the Biddy Babs if he had their colors (Also consider Enard's mask).... Okay, so then, skipping forward to the Pizzaplex; Steelwool keeps associated Sun/Moon with the corruption of the Pizzaplex, the Glitchtrap virus and Balloon boy. I guess what I am trying to say with all of this is that I believe that the Funtimes and the Humanoid robots are all in the vein of one designer. Who that is might not ultimately be Afton, but I heavily suspect it is because of the continued theme of "fuzzy happy bear/chicken/bunny/fox popular" and "white/pink/purple + humanoid characters not as popular / get discontinued".... OH WAIT ONE MORE........ Why is Nightmare Balloon Boy both Cannon AND in FNAF4? FNAF4 represents everything Afton related; it's about Fredbear's Family Dinner; Fredbear, Spring Bonnie, Foxy bro and the Afton Family. Meanwhile Nightmarrion is not cannon? Was that Scott trying to infer something larger about the game; if the puppet is considered "Emily-related" because of Charlie, then perhaps that points to Balloon Boy being an "other" or the opposite of the Emily Family?

[@maryray2297]

Baby wasn't created until Charlie/Charlotte died. Elizabeth could not have been killed by Baby before Baby was created much less before Afton messed with the mechanics of Baby and added her claw/scooper.

[@MissClockwork]

Hear me out, what if William was a zombie like Michael before Follow Me? 1. The fact that both are purple, and Michael only becomes purple after decaying 2. The "multiple and simultaneous springlock failures" mentioned in FNAF 3 3. In the books William is already injured from a springlock failure before he gets Springtrap'd

[@matejadimitrijevic8967]

I saw someone made a similar comment but I did have a similar theory. The funtimes were made with the idea of keeping children safe. Specifically CC, who while not being afraid of the animatronics, was being bullied by Michael. CC would spend lots of time in the pizzeria, and his brother would often lock him in parts and service or CC would be crying under a table or hidden somewhere else. So William designed the Funtimes to gather him and other children. First he made Freddy, specifically for voice mimicry of him saying "Michael is gone, you can come out now" which CC would follow. After that he designed Foxy, to keep Michael away from CC and the finally made designed Baby. He himself didn't have an engineering skill of Henry, so he designed them and Henry made them a reality. Shortly after, stuff with Baby and Elizabeth happens and the Funtimes are locked inside the bunker, after which William redesigns them into killer robots. With Henry taking the ideas of Funtimes, like the proximity sensor and tracking and putting them into the security puppet.

[@Maikaz]

So, i have a theory for Williams motivation, I'll try to keep this short, mind you that english is not my first language Drinking one to many drinks after his shift at Fredbears, William drives over TOYSNHK on his way home. The child was still alive and could have been saved, but William would have lost everything. So he killed the Kid with a shovel und drove back to Fredbears and stuffed her mangled Body inside Fredbear. TOYSNHK possesses the Endo of Fredbear. Soon Henry takes Fredbear to the back for repairs because something is off with the animatronic, CC is there to. He loves this place and helping Henry with the animatronics. William knew this and always hated it that they we're so close. This time, as Henry opens up the Belly-area of Fredbear, a dead mangled body drops out right in front of them. Its a friend of CC and a regular at Fredbears. Not only does this traumatize CC, Henry thinks the child crawled into the animatronic and got Springlocked. This incident also prompts him to build the puppet William can swoop in and play the hero, he burys the body in the woods near his house and nobody would ever find out. The restaurant was safe and not only would his Son never spent time with Henry at Fredbears again, seeing Henry suffer made him happy. Somehow, I think through the control-unit in the Springbonny-head, William found out that TOYSNHK was possessing Fredbear, but thats as good as any explaination. The point is: He finds out. And he was intrigued. So in his own litte Workshop in his basement he starts tinkering and researching remnant and creating the first Funtime Animatronic: Funtime Chica. This is the point where the bite happens. CC is tethered to the Fredbear costume and possesses it after his death in the hospital and FnaF-World begins. In the real world, William is working on bringing back his son to live. He buried an empty coffin and kept his body cooled in the workshop. Have any of you ever wondered why there is a dead kid in the schematics for funtime freddy but no claw to grab them? I think its because Afton wanted his son to possess Funtime Freddy like TOYSNHK possessed Golden Freddy. He puts the body inside and he will possess him, right? Right? Wrong. CC's spirit is long gone at this point, but I think that much like a parallel to Henry in the books does it with Charlie, William poured all his Agony into the animatronic. FF actually comes alive, but as a sadistic and twisted version of CC, that also unstable. To properly function he needs more remnant and William knows right where to find it. He takes Fredbear apart and takes the endo (TOYSNHK) with him to melt it down, but leaves the costume (CC) behind. William melts Fredbears endo down and injects it into Funtime Freddy and it works! Funtime Freddy lives!! He lives and he wants a playmate. So William builds Baby. Note that Baby is not supposed to abduct multiple children. Just one. a playmate for his son, for eternity. So he builds Circus Baby's Pizza World, with the sole purpose for Baby to abduct one child and it works. But its Elizabeth. When William finds out he snaps and drives over to the Fredbears and kills Charlie, because Henry has to suffer, too. Charlie possesses the Puppet. Later the MCI happens. After writing this down I wonder, did William kill the MCI kids so he could harvest them for remnant later to power Circus Baby and Funtime Freddy? To keep his childen alive? Thats all I got.

[@BonusDuckie]

I very much like the proposed timeline, altho I am not willing to believe Mike was put into the bunker more than once or twice. Mike is by no means in my perspective a prisioner or anything, rather a victim of manipulation. I think the timeline still works if William put him there after CC death and then just went to do his own stuff, and only after William makes him apply to freddys does he start getting nightmares again. I don't think someone being tortured in a bunker for years would even stand inside a Freddys a single night. Plus it gives fnaf3 and fnaf4 'hallucinations' a lot more credibility to be ptsd trauma that remerges

[@KiwiTheKay]

I think William can't die by fire because of whatever happened at fall fest, maybe it reinvigorates his soul to finish what he started? Fall fest and the fire that happened at it seems to have some kind of role in it.

[@Osilm]

Something that puts a wrench on the timing of Molten MCI is that there’s a thunderstorm during every follow me mini game. The odds of a thunderstorm five nights in a row are astronomically low.

[@williamhiles9300]

I think the supposed fire incident at Fall Fest had something to do with an early foxy that went on to inspire grim foxy in help wanted 1

[@A_CC-ce5pb]

The timeline still works like this. If Willy Afton was as envious and hate-filled towards Henry as we think he is, it may have just been a defamation attempt that could completely ruin Henry's rep. I mean, child ending robots made by the robo genius would be pretty incriminating. Also, I think it's less that Mike can't do anything right, but more so that William fostered feelings of resentment towards the CC through his atrocious treatment of both while also requiring Mike to watch his, as he would see it, crybaby sibling. All in all, William Afton sucks. But we obviously knew this since he offed children.

[@NOOB_KILLA]

I think I have the motive for the modifications: Envy/Jealousy. Henry was modifying the mascots that Afton designed, and was getting increasingly better with it. What better way to take down a rival than frame them, having them take the fall for making dangerous animatronics. It wasn't until it backfired horribly with his own daughter that the downward spiral truly began.

[@RileyLastname]

this is interesting

[@deltarosa]

Hold up... we have one missing motive for William, one missing fire-starter, and a potentially not-as-innocent Henry... The felt suits were made by William, what if as Henry was converting Williams Fallfest suits into animatronics, Henry burns down Fallfest, maybe to get rid of William's suits or to make his (Henry) animatronics look better So then William tampers with said animatronics made by Henry (makikg Henry look bad when they kill/kidnap) Mayhe Henry started the fallfest fire, destroying what William did/loved and in return William modified Henrys animatronics Idk why he would jump so drastically to murder but... unless there was a murder in between? But i do think Elizabeth died first so... idk

[@covenie]

Hear me out… Renelle could be a parallel to Elizabeth. Elizabeth’s death could be parallel to Renelle being kicked out. So then when Eleanor took over Renelles appearance and pretended to be Renelle even around afton. Could be afton thinking that he brought back his daughter in the baby bot. Because she disguises as Elizabeth, afton could think it is actually Elizabeth. But it could just be Charlie disguised as Elizabeth. Because she does have blue eyes and not green (Vanessa). So afton treats baby as his kid even though she died because he beloved that she is what possesses baby but it’s actually Charlie. The many ages of Charlie bot (or Eleanor) could be Henry keeping up the act of baby pretending to be Elizabeth. Because Vanessa looks like how you would imagine Elizabeth to be when she is older, but she has blue eyes. “ Another picture was of Talbert and his daughter, except she didn't have brown hair and blue eyes like Renelle did; She had black hair and brown eyes. “ What I am saying is that we could have the family’s switched. “Talbert” would be Henry in the book timeline. But in the FNAF timeline Talbert would be afton and afton would be Henry. When we see the two Vanessa twins, this could be representation of two different Eleanor (or Charlie bots). You know? But why would Henry make baby kidnap kids? Because Henry may have accidentally killed Ms afton. And as revenge afton kills Charlie. “ father became obsessed about his work after her mother's death, eventually kicking her out after she stole some money “ This could be parallel to the movie, where Henry may have stolen aftons woman and kidnapps (and kills presumably) the little kid. As a way to bring back Charlie he makes a bot but needs agony for the bot to become stronger so the bot feeds off remnant which is made from agony and that makes her stronger. Afton knows that anything made by Henry is trouble. And won’t let Elizabeth go near baby (if she was made for Elizabeth, that’s weird don’t you think? Like if Henry made a bot specially for my kid I wouldn’t want my kid near the bot either!!) so Elizabeth obviously went against her dad and saw baby who killed Elizabeth and now used her agony to grow stronger. So baby (Eleanor who is made by Henry) disguises as Elizabeth and uses afton to get more agony, which is why she keeps growing and growing. And at the end of help wanted2 Vanessa kills afton. Signifying that she is now more powerful than afton and can put an end to all his shit. Maybe Henry created the baby bot to kill Elizabeth, make him think Elizabeth possesed baby, keep baby as his kid and raise her to want to kill Henry and distroy his life but behind aftons back she is actually Henry’s kid and (like represented at end of help wanted 2) once she gets the power she needs, she gets rid of afton and reveals her true self (just like how in the book after killing talbert or something Eleanor becomes her true self again) This would also kinda suggest that maybe ballora was made first, and killed aftons wife (accident or not) and then baby was made and afton was scared it would kill Elizabeth because Henry made it just for Elizabeth (which is still weird like I mentioned before.) Let me know your thoughts…

[@mr.peterthemister]

I may be wrong but didn't the head unit in sister location stated that Circus Baby Pizza World specifically opened after Freddy was closed? So if Fredbear closes while Freddy is still open how is it possible that Elizabeth died before the CC? That's honestly the only major plothole i could find, other than that i have to say it's a very solid timeline! I really love the characterization you tried to give Micheal!

[@moyai5222]

it lowkey makes me really sad that theorists online have to walk on eggshells to not anger people by saying something that might be incorrect. They're theories for a reason. love the video!

[@rannynihilius8481]

One thing that always makes me feel icky about Elizabeth being the first to die is big bro Michael's behavior towards the crying child. There's no indicator of a dead sister besides a empty girl room in the minigames. Michael doesn't behave like a kid who recently lost his sister. Furthermore why would Circus Baby's Pizzaworld even be opened by William if not for him being thrown out from or leaving the Fazbear brand? The funtime animatronics are so absurdly more advanced than any other Henry models even tho the Toys and classics get used later in the timeline. This all doesn't make logical sense to me personally and i'm not even mentioning William's lack of motive for kidnapping kids with futuristic metal bears. I also do not see how "prisons of my making" needs to imply that Henry literally build the Funtime generation and couldn't possibly just be symbolic for the Funtimes being twisted versions of Henry's original creations. I do not see how the general original story isn't just complete after UCN when all books and the movie only further show how character dynamics could have been (William and Vanessa/Michael), explain how certain concepts work (Agony and Posession) or just fully reconfirm certain things that went over the community's nose (the experiment chambers in sister location and the Fazbear Frights story). Lastly the video was very well presented and had a great supportive argumentative chain with your last few videos that strictly followed a certain way of thinking even when i do not agree with a lot of conclusions that came from it. Hope you keep having success with your videos because you're a positive figure in the community to me ❤.

[@XSViperYT]

One thing I should mention! Phone Guy in FNAF 1 heavily implies that FNAF 1’s location was open for 20 years in the first phone call.

[@mjm3091]

Personally I am in a team that thinks Michael is working against William, that he actively with his good old bros tries to fix the mistake he made with his brother - and find out the truth about his father and whole ghost children thing. Which ultimately puts him in danger in Sister Location and makes the Bonnie Bro lose his own life in Help Wanted 2.

[@TheOneGreenDuck]

Honestly I Mix This Timeline And Matpats Together To Get A PLot My Mind Can Wrap Around ( Mostly The Micheal Afton Arch )

[@celinaelzer]

I'm STILL wondering how Sister Location's ["There’s no doubting what you’ve achieved on a technical level. These are clearly state-of-the-art. There are just certain design choices that were made for these robots that we don’t fully understand. We were hoping that you could shed some light on those." "She can dance, she can sing! She’s equipped with a built-in helium tank for inflating balloons right at her fingertips. She can take song requests. She can even dispense ice cream." "With all due respect, those aren’t the design choices we were curious about, Mr Afton."] fits into everything. Almost no theory video ever brings that up... Any thoughts, Rye?

[@qryptid]

I think it refers to the child kidnapping hatch and mimicking features that would be difficult to explain as anything other than what they are. It also presents the idea that William was not the head of Fazbear at least at the time of that recording (presumably pre-circus baby's pizza world opening). I feel like all theories always set up William as in control of fazbear at all times but this quote indicates to me he at one point was only a designer/engineer and designs had to be approved by a board, similar to the company structure in the Tales from the Pizzaplex books. I know this was meant for Rye but thanks for bringing that quote up. I'm thinking now. Ive seen and read quite a few things lately that change how ive been interpreting the behind the scenes of Fazbear. It feels like we're finally getting enough info to make real sense of things (but fnaf does that like every time we get a new big theory lollll)

[@clover3114]

Seeing the Scott reveal in matpat video makes me wonder if Scott's kids know the entire timeline and story or does he just keep em guessing.

[@lupper]

you're honestly iconic for using Mario Party DS music in all of your videos

[@TheWholeEntireCake]

Hey Rye, great video as always. Your background music was really loud in some points during the video in this one though.

[@ThatWannabeMusician]

What if the grabbing mechanic of Baby was originally meant as a lost-and-found sort of deal that Liz just happened to get harmed by? Like, a glitch or something?

[@NahuelLaxaltRuiz]

imo the 1983 in the TV in the fnaf 4 minigames was meant to separate the bite of 87 with the bite of 83, which would put the minigames in 1983

[@BlackMare_Little]

My personal death order is: After Mrs Afton and William divorced and William gained custody of their children she dies either by committing death or some other reason. Then William gets drunk and drives by Fredbear to see Charlie, in that moment he felt angry and jealous of Henry for having a perfect family. Charlie possesses the puppet resulting in William discovering remnant. So he builds the funtimes to experiment on this substance. Elizabeth dies by Circus Baby’s claw with CC witnessing it. Bite of 83 happens and then William says “fine I’ll do it myself” and commits the MCI.

[@hannahshark8080]

Excellent background music choices, Rye 🥰

[@RoriAB]

Maybe it is a crazy idea, but what if William's wife death is the reason why he became a murderer?

[@diablosbros14]

Great timeline theory, my only thought is What if... it was the mimic program the whole time. Also my head cannon is that Michael isn't William's son