When Intelligence Becomes A Curse - Jordan Peterson

[@ChrisWillx]

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[@TnACoinZ]

We should just do, everything Jordan tells us, to do…

[@Phat88Tony]

@@TnACoinZ like going into a coma to recover from addiction 🤣

[@Zajcooo]

@@Phat88Tony doesn't invalidate his points

[@Phat88Tony]

@@Zajcooo it does because he's a hypocrite

[@Maungateitei]

​@@TnACoinZNah. He's not very perceptive with regards to Musk here. Megalomaniac Narcissist he certainly is. Intelligent? No. At least badly informed on most things he believes. Creative? No, that's the founders of his companies and countless engineers and other employees. Jordan, when rich people say they designed something, or built something, they mean they paid people to do it. Conciencious? HELL no. Obsessive compulsive Aspie. Yes he is that. And it makes it easy to spot when he lies on camera. Which is A LOT!

[@liamfoneill]

I love how JBP casually mentions his brother in Law as Engineer Jim. His brother in law is Jim Keller of Intel, one of the greatest computer scientists of our age

[@jebes909090]

Lol 😅😅😅

[@30shandala]

lol-that’s awesome.

[@CandideSchmyles]

That explains a lot. Intel is a Talpiot Program (Academic Military Organisation) start up that Israel uses to spy on the world.

[@baerstudio]

I guranatee Jim's lawyer would be calling him "hey jordan... we don't need the bad press, you've got kind of a bad relationship with MSM"

[@shepherdsknoll]

Jim Keller designed Apple and Tesla chips and is a weight lifter.

[@playertwo9895]

The Jim that Jordan mentioned is Jim Keller. He was one of the most important chip engineers/execs at Intel, AMD, Apple, and Tesla.

[@cairnex4473]

It is very hard to overstate how influential Jim Keller is in the field of silicon design and engineering. Virtually every notable processor architecture of the last 20 years has his fingerprints on it.

[@PeterDrewSEO]

Thank you. I've listen to him interviewed, he's another Musk like person for sure.

[@PeterDrewSEO]

@@cairnex4473 He talks about old and new chip architecture like it's a Tuesday :)

[@rtrouthouse1506]

Wow...the genes that the Peterson Children have must be amazing..Seems evident in Mikhaila.

[@fadedwithfriends]

Dr. Peterson appears healthier than ever. I'm happy to see him back having these kinds of important conversations.

[@user-vp9xn3wb7v]

Yea man we almost lost him , thank God we didn't.

[@abcdefzhij]

Now that you mention it that’s extremely true, he used to look so much more fragile and like a light breeze might take him out but now he looks good

[@TheLastPirate1973]

The Carnivore Diet is a great weight loss lifestyle. I've felt so good since cutting out white carbs and vegetables. Jordan's endorsement made me want to try.

[@alejandrinahs]

Improved significantly since 2019

[@tonyclif1]

But what his discussions when he says BS like "fiction is true"? He is a walking word salad if you bother to listen as if he's not a perfect god. 😅 He constantly changes the definitions of words.

[@TheCrafsMan]

I cannot tell you how grateful I am for that six minutes of conversation. Some things make way more sense now. Major perspective SHIFT. Thank you, and Dr. Peterson.

[@davebudge4526]

Well put.

[@bipslone8880]

Don't take advice from a drug addict

[@roddy1420]

​@@bipslone8880don't take advice from from random comments on KZbin

[@CeaselesslyAmazed]

@@roddy1420 Well said!

[@kalmanjulianne]

@@roddy1420 Or your wife!

[@Kika1623]

I wish Chris wouldn’t cut off and interrupt people he is interviewing.

[@Dave.Mustaine.Is.Genius]

Precisely.

[@ericksonong]

I thought i was the only one that got ticked with how he interrupts j peterson. U would have thought such a great mind like peterson would warrant more listening from the interviewer than talking

[@ApparitionOO]

Calm down

[@laaaliiiluuu]

I don't see it as interrupting but simply asking questions lol

[@brucejay1409]

Most of these younger You Tube self promoters are products of the social media age....that is their emphasis is on talking rather than listening. Put simply, they don't know how to interview

[@billynewt4831]

I took the personality test on Jordan’s site “understand myself” 3 times. I was rated exceptionally high in neuroticism and low in intellect and extremely high in volatility all 3 times. I found is incredibly frustrating and embarrassing. After sitting down and writing a few self evaluations I realized it made absolute sense. I have high negative emotions and low impulse control. It was a humbling self recognition . I had just lost a high end, 6 figure job due to my temperament and of course I blamed everyone and everything but myself. It took a full week of self introspection and writing to realize that because of this mentality nothing will change until I incorporate extreme self discipline in my life. I truly believe that’s the only way I can better my highly neurotic mind frame and improve my life.

[@annavernick1490]

Sounds like you're designing a pressure bomb! Have a look at the Sedona Method, one of the gentlest, self loving and accepting ways to living mature calm in this world. Best bliss.

[@mikhails3869]

Good job Billy, good luck with your journey. I’m sure you’ve heard/looked into it before but “Meditations” by Marcus Aurelius is something that helps myself reframe a lot of negatives in my own life. Let’s get it 🙏🏽

[@big_red_machine3547]

I hear ya

[@Mike-if1nn]

Those are just traits, and while it's good to be aware of them so you can better work around them, they do not define you. If it makes you feel better I am basically the exact opposite and yet I've made nearly minimum wage my entire life, because I'm lazy and have no ambition :) Now that you have the knowledge, I'm sure you will do quite well for yourself. Good luck sir.

[@mindhunter8772]

Where can I find Jordan's website for these tests?

[@bartdebeuselinck2596]

My younger brother suffered from a manic episode earlier this year for the second time in his life. His mind was racing all the time with new ideas and things he wanted to do. He called me one evening and talked to me for 5 hours straight, with me only getting a few lines of text in between. It was an exhausting experience, but I wanted to be there for him in the hope I might be able to calm his mind. At the height of his mania, he had been awake for 7 days, unable to sleep and living on energy drinks and unhealthy snacks, when he was taken to a psychiatric ward. On his third day there, refusing to take any medication and still being unable to sleep, his heart just stopped working on the morning of March the 21st... I miss him every day and am saddened deeply that there was nothing I could do for him, except providing a listening ear. Mania is no joke. Even hypomania must be an overwhelming and exhausting experience. I wouldn't want to be in Elon Musks' shoes, not even for all the money in the world (which he luckily has). Edit : thank you for your kind words and empathy. I find peace in the thought that he is now watching from above and is probably thinking "sh*t, I've f*cked up, maybe I should've listened to my older brother a bit more"... ;-)

[@jasondorymeade]

Sorry for your loss..

[@goodyeoman4534]

I knew a lass with similar traits. Went round her house once and she had filled the fridge without about ten beef joints and twenty bars of chocolate. I could barely get a word in with her, even when we were getting pissed lol.

[@moshebenamram6020]

GOD Bless

[@ElectricBikeLaboratory]

Wow that's so sad so sorry for the loss of your younger brother , that is incredibly heartbreaking. Hope he is enjoying heaven and is looking over you now

[@maryrankin9869]

Mania can be a sign of a major mental illness..Bipolar Disorder

[@quadboy4lyfe]

Jordan mentioning lifting weights in order to shut off your mind is so important and I think a lot more people need to do that particularly those that suffer from depression. I think depression stems from having a lot of time on your hands and nothing to preoccupy yourself with so your mind reverts to what you are lacking whether that be a good job, a relationship, financial stability, physical weakness, obesity, etc. I used to go through bouts of depression until a friend of mine, who was very into powerlifting, convinced me to start going to the gym with him. After about a month of forcing myself to go to the gym it eventually just became a normal ritual for me and it no longer felt like a chore. That was roughly 6 years ago and since then I don’t think I have had a single depressing thought go through my head. I tell people all of the time, the gym is the best antidepressant you can ever get on.

[@yehldyehld]

Your anecdotal experience isn't evidence. And depression is far more nuanced than you claim. Depressed people who can't get out of bed won't be able to lift weights.

[@Phat88Tony]

Yet JP had to fly to Russia and be in a coma for 3 days.... he's doesn't practice what he preaches. 🗑️

[@Rufio1975]

When I'm lifting, that's all I think about.

[@quadboy4lyfe]

@@Rufio1975 then you don’t have enough weight on the bar

[@pierresbaptiste]

One needs heavy physical weight to counter the heaviness of those incessant thoughts.

[@StephenWalkerAhoy-Boats]

Bravo and thank you both. Thank you Chris for not interrupting Jordan when he's wrestling, putting together his thoughts. That is so important for an interviewer.

[@lins_z2]

As someone with bipolar II, and in the festive field, this is so well explained… When you’re hypomanic, there’s so many thoughts, in a normal state, I can stop my anxiety from taking over me, but when I’m hypomanic, it’s not just a single voice I gotta stop, and it’s too fast. It doesn’t stop, not even at night. Your mind is so overloaded with information, that everything else makes you sensitive. The light is too bright, the noise is too loud and sharp. You can barely sleep at night. In good times I’d sleep 2 to 3 hours, but didn’t feel rested at all. The bright side was the creative abundance in your mind. It flows like a waterfall, and you only have a cup to pickup whatever you can. As an artist it feels amazing, you can do so much, you can produce so much, you can do great work… that sometimes is hard to replicate once the hypomania/mania is over. And then there’s the depression, which would be the drought. Although here what was discussed was the manic side of things.

[@Emanuele-mw8hc]

I suffer from bipolar II, too. I feel you. Therapy and Mindfullness meditation really did help with flattening those states allowing me to create a more stable life. Did you find a way to manage it?

[@Rosemary46840]

He can easily stop that problem if he stopped being hateful for no reason, $ sticking his nose in things that don't concern him

[@arcanefibroidhell7250]

This sounds familiar.

[@lordsathariel4384]

iv always had mania from my many conditions one of my teachers described me as stoic and collected when under control but a unhinged lunatic when i was having a moment when I received therapy because i was qualified as a danger they diagnosed me with around 7 things i had never heard of on top of the 10 issues i was aware of but whenever my parents have brought up my mania to the doctor the concurrent response is that anyone of my conditions could be the cause and that like my other issues i should just live with it even tho when i have my highs or lows of mood im basically a walking landmine but out of all the health care professionals iv had iv only had 2 in 20 years who could give me solid information to help counter my mania and mood swings.

[@rickdeckard1075]

musk is NOT talking about 'hypomania' for gods sake

[@micoaruno]

It would have been nice if as a child my parents had told me, "Thoughts are just thoughts. Follow your breathing instead. Stay aware." Thank goodness I found meditation in life.

[@Besotted85]

Thats a good point man!

[@micoaruno]

@@Besotted85 and if it's a good point, start practicing the sport of meditation. you can try Mahasi style or s.n.Goenka style.

[@jawahirps]

If you were really able to find “meditation” you wouldnt have been commenting this 😅

[@micoaruno]

@@jawahirps motivation... meditation... the mediation towards the highest medication: The mind purification.

[@moorshound3243]

That is probably one of the best comments on KZbin ever. People really need to learn how to slow down these days. Peace.

[@jonnya3425]

My father was bipolar and JBP could not have summed up mania any more concisely and any more accurately. One time, after a particularly bad manic episode, when he was on the other pole, so to speak, he looked at me over his glasses and said, "believe me, its no picnic being in my coconut buddy".

[@frankspencer5602]

Wow that's a chilling thought... I read your post soon as you posted it and i still cannot digest the magnitude of what you said

[@priapulida]

but Elon isn't manic/bipolar, he's on the spectrum

[@Zanroff]

@@priapulida Nobody said Elon is bipolar. Only that he teeters on the edge of mania.

[@rossinverted]

⁠@@priapulida he has empathy, I disagree. It’s just the ability to be empirical at genius level, maybe photographic memory, definitely exceeds some of our priorities in conversation.

[@outlander234]

@@priapulida And who said that? He has all the symptoms of bipolar. He said it himself, he has huge highs and high lows. That's definition of bipolar.

[@ambition112]

0:08: 🧠 Elon Musk discusses the downsides of high-level genius and the correlation between verbal fluency and creative achievement. 0:30: Verbal fluency is associated with creativity, and there is a strong correlation between the number of words produced and lifetime creative achievement. 1:01: Vocabulary and verbal fluency are different, with verbal fluency being more important for creative achievement. 2:42: 📚 Jordan Peterson discusses his experience of having a constantly active mind and how he used weightlifting and alcohol to cope with it. 3:03: He could think as fast as he could read, which was about 1200 words per minute. 3:19: Peterson started weightlifting and drinking to help shut off his busy mind. 5:19: 💡 Elon Musk is a hyper creative and hyper conscientious person who worked with Peter Thiel for a long time. 5:34: There is no correlation between creativity and conscientiousness. 6:03: The episode is sponsored by Manscaped and their new Lawnmower 5.0 Ultra. Recapped using Tammy AI

[@MandrakeDCR]

Tammy needs some work. You could at least do some touch up work. lol

[@angryman8779]

People now need time stamps for a 6 minute video? Fuk….

[@tobyeo3d]

How would elon know about high level genius? He only knows about high level con-game.

[@MandrakeDCR]

@@tobyeo3d We were discussing the bad AI breakdown of the timeline here. Nothing about Elon genius. I think your EDS got the better of you - you should repost in the main comments before nobody notices! quick! :)

[@moshebenamram6020]

AI responded

[@cynthiahafner796]

Love listening to Dr Peterson every day! 🤯 I could listen to him all day! God bless you and your family!❤🙏🏼⭐️

[@heavybreadhead]

Elon's baggage is he seeks love, he's mentioned it several times. He can't hold a stable relationship while balancing his intense job/s. Work comes first. It's a lonely place to be but also holds immense responsibility, public and employee wise. Also explains all the kids.

[@LoanShoppingExpert]

Like all of us, Elon needs to lay down his arms, so to speak, and put himself under the love and grace of Jesus Christ. Millions of people are praying for Elon.

[@kathylarson8876]

and you are so all knowing, not, lol

[@bsaintnyc]

he works nowhere near as hard as he says he works , the dude plays alot of videogames in his office as well as argues with people on twitter when hes "working"

[@RAREST-h9i]

He needs to learn to love himself and heal without jumping into another god damn feminist relationship tbh. He needs a good mate to tough love the kid I did not know who he was until 2018 and then had to play catch up. Twitter was his world I walked in the front door a little shocked at magic lol Then watched footage of a kid who went through tremendous trauma and then these women back to back emotionally manipulating him. Stealing his shine. Footage of them at red carpet events is foul. They act like narcissistic stars and take dating him as a chance to get famous and rich. It has nothing to do with Elon's work schedule. Not one bit. It is the women that he is choosing. He is targeted for Fem-bots to be planted all around him and they wait to strike. I feel we will watch him do this all over again. He does seem to need a holiday that is for sure!! Someone should sneak him off to a tropical island he can meet someone who does not know him and let someone experience the magic without the fake show. That would be happiness :)

[@haakoflo]

"My brother-in-law is a great engineer". That's a huge understatement.

[@tuningsnow]

Who is he?

[@simonegiuliani4913]

@@tuningsnow Jim Keller

[@BriannaRubino-xy7mc]

Oh, do you have any good suggestions?

[@philippecuenoud2949]

Whereas "my brother-in-law is famous" would be a sick joke from said brother-in-law. Famous for what exactly ?

[@RAREST-h9i]

huh?

[@joshmcdonald9176]

As a normal but slightly clever fellow, this happens to me *occasionally* and no way would I want to live that way all the time.

[@Madonnalitta1]

I loved hearing him talk about quieting the noise with exercise.

[@PedroTRamos1]

Elon said challenging videogames help calm his mind.

[@Rufio1975]

Lifting is better and better for you.

[@bromack3]

Excercise and lifting weights is a good distraction away from thinking. I swear by it...

[@oppo6963]

But not how Chris interrupted him with his unoriginal thoughts

[@Silentsister]

Thoughts become things. Choose the good ones.

[@lazydaisee3997]

I have a group of slightly introverted but very bright friends and recently we have made a habit of taking ritalin when we go out for drinks etc (a couple of the group are doctors). It has been interesting to see how that has changed the dynamic and made us more chatty, interactive as a group.

[@InimitaPaul]

It wasn’t until I taught myself how to learn that I realised why teachers couldn’t, my teachers tried to teach me most subjects from the ground up and I as much as I found the subjects interesting I found it difficult to properly latch on. When I taught myself electrical engineering I was forced to go all the way down to the quark to understand everything above and then everything made sense, I needed to be taught from the foundations up rather than the ground up. Not having other kids around to distract me helped a great deal too.

[@zekite6467]

The smartest tend to be the best at self-motivating and self-engineering their path without the need for outside help.

[@nnamdiazuakola5254]

Can you explain a little bit more. What’s the difference.

[@francois9747]

@@zekite6467 Interesting you say that because Peterson says there's no correlation between creativity and conscientiousness.

[@zekite6467]

@@francois9747 well from what I know conscientiousness isn’t a predictor of intelligence but more so work ethic and orderliness, which can ultimately just become following rules and regulations without making one’s own. Einstein needed creativity to make his theories, same thing with any in the entrepreneurial or literary business. And you can still be both at creative and CC at the same time. So it really just falls upon to how you define intelligence.

[@ИгорьМокеев-в9и]

In the White House for the Elderly, the Clown Zelensky got a Garbous!!!!!!!!!!!

[@shawn3d]

Beautifully filmed and graded visual treatment to this podcast. It has promist, chromatic aberration etc. Looks seriously cinematic. Great work 😎

[@joshuaworman4022]

I like that Chris maintains this interest in questioning

[@wise.wizart]

I agree with this. He went back to the statement and viewed it in another angle by asking the right questions.

[@magnumpci]

Not just interest but intelligent enough to ask appropriate follow up questions. That is rare and a gift.

[@sl4983]

I wasn't impressed.

[@LifeMasteryPodcastStevenArecco]

Love & Respect Jordan Peterson!

[@tuseroni6085]

he mentions reading speed briefly and it got me thinking on the subject. i find i can read quickly, ive never tested it but i can usually read a page faster than a scanner, but something i've noticed is...i don't enjoy the material as well when speed reading. i think speed reading might be something like speed eating, you get through it quickly, you get all the materials...but you barely even taste the food. so when i read i like to go slowly and savor the words.

[@ScottlandShaffner0423]

"savor the words", love the comment

[@nikolayivanov6373]

What an excellent question Chris, we done yet again. Can't wait for the full episode!

[@markmurphy3462]

When I did the understand myself test I scored in the 88th percentile in openness and 17th percentile in conscientiousness. The perfect cocktail to be creative and get nothing done. Which explained many patterns of my behaviour in school. I allowed my high IQ to step in when I needed to pass an exam for a subject I had little interest in. This paid off for most of my school years until university at 18. Then I had to actually wake up. It also completely explains why I was and am still quite sporadic in my tastes and hobbies. I wouldn't say I struggled with my identity, thankfully, like many creative people, but I found the way to reign or curtail the bohemian laissez faire attitude with discipline. You can't change your personality, you can be aware of it and even mature into certain aspects like 'compassion' over time but discipline is really the only thing that can help someone with a personality predisposition like my own to actually get work done or monetise that creativity. Interestingly, though, the John Hopkins research has found that after one single psilocybin dose that you can move one standard deviation up in openness.... so technically, you can change that aspect and quite rapidly.

[@alfredocalzoni8161]

we have a very similiar score. but i ams till struggling with to less Discipline... all the tipps i read doesn't work, cuz there is no "will power" to keep them...

[@markmurphy3462]

​@alfredocalzoni8161 Hey Alfred, well I hope you don't view this as another tip but I wish to give you some advice that has aided me in the same struggle. If you wish to change, truly, you will need to manifest the habits of the person that you wish to become. What does that mean practically? Well for example during the pandemic they locked down all of the gyms in Dublin, where I live. My eagerness to stay active (and sane) drove me to swim in the lakes and sea near my home. I wasn't an avid swimmer prior to this bear in mind. So I began to prep my swim bag the night before. I had my 'dry robe' and hot water bottle ready in the kitchen the night before. My water proof shoes that helped me climb into the water over rocks were beside my front door. I essentially began to stack habits to reduce the friction in initiating this activity. That's what a swimmer does. Change comes from your identity. A reader leaves books beside his bed or packs it into his briefcase for the morning commute. This sort of preemptive behaviour reduces the firction to allow you to become the person you wish to identify as. The thought leader. The athlete etc. This helped me greatly in the management of my discipline. And above all else - stop negotiating with yourself. Take the lead. Best of luck in your pursuits Alfred.

[@alfredocalzoni8161]

@@markmurphy3462 I really appreciate your recommendation. especially at the end "stop negotiating with yourself." gives me a lot to think about. This reminds me of the principle "You are your greatest opponent." But at the same time it makes it so difficult because my opponent is absolutely bigger and more conscious than me and makes him seem invincible. Maybe I should be the unconquerable mountain - like your last sentence :) Thank you and I wish you all the best.

[@roryhardisty7525]

Similar story pal. As I’ve started work in a diary management job, I’ve found my conscientious go up whilst my openness going down. Any time I say abstract ideas or say random thoughts, people look at me like I’m a weirdo.

[@NinoNiemanThe1st]

@@markmurphy3462 Great, helpful comment markmurphy3462, I'm sure a lot of casual readers will get a lot out of your practical explanation of how you handle things.

[@calebshelton9240]

I am so glad JP said what he did about Eric. Eric is so smart but makes no sense when he speaks on real world issues.

[@AKracecars]

All abstract, no application

[@mjcincotta9684]

Thank you Chris Williamson and Dr. Jordan Peterson for the content.🥰😇😘

[@scotte1742]

Thank you all so much for this video, I’m more grateful to have watched this than you probably know 💯💯🙏🏽

[@richvandervecken3954]

Not being able to stop thinking about a problem literally causes insomnia, I have been there. I have been there with both constructive problem solving as in work related and destructive problem solving as in transfixed on co-workers attempting to destroy my reputation at work. It took me a long time to learn how to force myself to choose to think about something different and calm down. Controlling what we choose to think about is a skill that we are not taught and it is easy to believe that we have no control over our thoughts especially in times of crisis. I have learned that we always have the ability to change what we are thinking about and break the chain of negative thoughts spiraling out of control. I think every man who's work involves problem solving under high stress levels runs into the problem of not being able to quiet the mind enough to relax and rest well.

[@munendrarathood9557]

Whens the full version of this episode out? Looking forward to it. Rather desperately.

[@HansKuloss]

Will be on monday probably

[@MrHamtits]

This guy's fanbase sumed up in one comment

[@duanehallenback7090]

very intriguing conversation. I loved it. Thank you

[@LNVACVAC]

I am autistic and gifted (polymath, CHC and Renzulli criteria). Peterson nailed it.

[@MichaelBishop-uw6wx]

I know the feeling of being hyper-focused on a project or a problem. It's all I can think about - and I can't sleep - until I have something approaching a solution. While the problem exists - my mind is working on it at a completely different level. And in some ways it's a big rush - eventually leading to exhaustion. This hyper-focused state-of-mind is how big things happen - while the other things needing some attention are getting ignored completely. Not always a pretty sight.

[@KyleFierravanti]

It's all about channeling your energy in the proper manner.

[@DocPortland]

Jordan is looking great. So happy to hear he is lifting weights and working out.

[@gurnblanston5000]

Is that why he paid so much outright for Twitter, instead of leveraging stock and paying half as much?

[@EliM100]

Just did the 3-minute test and got 70 words. Very proud of myself 😊

[@victormilton]

Wow! On the T or the S?

[@EliM100]

@@victormilton On the T

[@sherlockedadventures]

@@EliM100 Very impressive! I got exactly half of that!

[@DailyCzak123]

That's almost 2.57 seconds per word. Insane stuff lol. I've no idea how people do that. I don't think I can recall / produce 30 words in 180 seconds.

[@kuchikirukia5713]

Did i missunderstood or there is 150 4-letter words in english that begins with T?

[@martalefave3231]

Thank you Dr. Peterson for your brilliant analysis of Elon Musk.

[@r33born]

Wow this segment was just incredible

[@oldmanfromscenetwentyfour8164]

I have Raging Thoughts as well, it's not fun, but I've learned to live and work with it.

[@stimpsonjcat67]

I have Jordan's lecture on IQ and creativity bookmarked because I refer back to it so often. I think I literally shed a tear the first time I watched it when he got to the part about "It's not self-evident that you would curse someone with high levels of creativity" yep. And yep, the ways to turn it off aren't all healthy. As soon as I saw the title I knew what this video was about.

[@ИгорьМокеев-в9и]

In the White House for the Elderly, the Clown Zelensky got a Garbous!!!!!!!!!!!

[@DavidRose-m8s]

Procrastination and the lack of a directed life course in an intelligent man may be attributed to the tension on facial nerves, and why in others with less intelligent determination runs supreme.Anyone who forces their jaw forward will be more direct. If your jaw has the thrust naturally you have a head start. Even closing your mouth more firmly will do it. Body staaaaance will then follow. Determined people often have a look in the eye also. A higher lift will do it. The outer top lift gives us the natural eagle. Any lift will do, but without the jaw thrust which draws the eye into narrow focus. The eagle eye is open to the world like an emperor. I think how we hold not just our body, but also our face can make a world of difference to the ability to make effective use of our intellect no matter where that sits on a scale. Having the eyes, and body stance to effect the nerves ability to put has brain into a superstate can make a winner with or without high intelligence. Posture, and great quality food, and fitness will also help your mental state as you are then one, and equal with your environment.

[@truthandjustice6838]

I can agree with the alcohol shutting it down. After two drinks you can feel it fade away, but then you also get sad because you are missing out. It's just such a conundrum.

[@TomKearney-pr9gq]

Elon Musk! High level genius 😂 I nearly fell off. my chair when I heard JP say that!

[@jasonx-ray3921]

Nikolai Tesla thought like this but he could see all the moving parts, nuts and bolts of the machine. He tried to copy it down as fast she he could but could finish it before the vision of a new machine would again invade his mind, wiping out the mental blueprint of the old one. JP spoke about it.

[@AKracecars]

This episode gonna slap hard

[@pauls3075]

Thank you for your invaluable intellectual contribution to this discussion. I'm guessing 9 ... (four letter words beginning with T in 3 minutes.)

[@HydrusT]

@@pauls3075 Why are you behaving in a way that is indicative to your point? You writing that comment, quite literally contributed nothing other than hate. Open your eyes and look at yourself in the mirror.

[@stephensullivan1011]

Fr. When will it drop 😭

[@bogslurp3532]

Bravo@@HydrusT

[@87stevan]

Yea bro fr fr no cap

[@LeeJahn-ih9xu]

My husband suffers mania, hospitalised several times but he pays every penny back, gets back to work immediately and works hard and long hours, he seems to go years handling his mania in a manageable way, the mind is a storm … so true

[@faizerfowzaan754]

Nice interview. I like how the interviewer give proper space with right questions.

[@timb350]

THE most interesting (and obvious) point about what Elon said (and it applies equally to everyone)...is just how utterly impossible it is to know who somebody else actually is (what their experience of themself is actually like). We are utterly isolated from each other. For now. We assume this is inevitable. But is it? What if you could actually experience someone else? A few movies have explored such an idea. "Being John Malkovich" comes to mind. What if you could actually experience what it's like to be Elon Musk. To know what it's like...for your mind to be 'a storm'...?????

[@Bonez0r]

_Brainstorm_ (1983) is another one. Classic movie with some great actors.

[@binauralfortune]

wow! This is the most fascinating study of Elon I've ever heard, and what better person to articulate the genius behind Musk than the great Dr. Jordan Peterson. Everything he said made total sense. He can "see" what Elon is, just as he can "see" deep into the psychology of his own patients, and in so doing, can offer them a cure. He understand people deeply because he's a walking genius

[@paulhargreaves1497]

They still won't pay you............

[@jotarokujo5132]

lol Musk is the furthest thing from a genius.

[@zts4815]

Great content Chris ❤

[@matthijsvisscher8787]

I could listen to Peterson for hours on end and not get bored

[@carollen5601]

At times only medication can stop a racing mind. When one can focus while sleeping, it becomes scary.

[@outoftheblue4412]

This is a nice way to explain how we all may not fit into a box……A lot of men would like to be the man that moves and makes like Elon. He has a work life that would burn out a lot of the masses. It’s give and take. He is the person that knows that if he’s busy and working all day, that is his “job” as a father and husband. He strives for this. This is why his successes come from his passion. He is an amazing person. We are not all built the same.

[@yuukimasamura5143]

Most of my immediate family seem to have an IQ of about 85-95 (just my speculation based on growing up around them) and I am not high IQ compared to my friends (I’m 125) but I’ve grown up being unable to connect with my family (minus father who didn’t live with us) and it was very lonely and frustrating at the same time because I’m not able to say what I believe or know as fact to them or help improve their knowledge because I was instantly shut down or accused of not knowing and so on. It was impossible to have a simple conversation or find common ground because they didn’t have the ability to think for themselves and only take advice or knowledge from TV. Super annoying. I can only imagine Musk might feel this at extreme levels when debating or speaking to other people in his field or don’t hold the same political belief as him.

[@neildepressedtyson540]

Which is weird because Musk has basically all the dumbest political takes ever. Right wing libertarians against every regulation that makes him have to pay tax or give his workers rights? Thats basically the 85 IQ cohort there.

[@JNYC-gb1pp]

It's hard interacting at an 85 IQ level. It's frustrating and unfulfilling. Its ok once in a while when you're doing mundane stuff but I'd go nuts if that's all that was available.

[@peterfrance702]

Someone ought to do a study correlating IQ and say watching and believing the MSM.

[@alibabaschultz352]

Its not just IQ, it can also just be pure knowledge. A few years back i spent an entire summer devouring as many podcasts and books as i could cram into my head. I thought if i had all of the answers, then life would be better somehow. It ended up backfiring on me, because i found myself unable to have deep conversations with anyone, because i had found myself so far beyond their starting point.

[@priapulida]

@@alibabaschultz352 it's also not just those things, Elon is also on the spectrum, or has autistic traits

[@jamesrussell1979]

Love it ...very interesting and very informative 👍 👌

[@travisrwalker]

At 2:50 he provides two ways to shut it down. One positive, one negative. Thank you JP

[@moshtabakavian7914]

That explains many things. Thank you!

[@dameanvil]

00:28 🧠 Verbal fluency, associated with creativity, showcases the correlation between the sheer number of words produced in a given time and lifetime creative achievement. 01:50 🌀 Mania's extreme form, manic state, involves hyper-enthusiasm about multiple plans, leading to chaos; creativity at its outer limit can verge toward this. 02:57 💡 Constant thought and obsession, characteristic of intense creativity, often demand outlets like physical activity or even substances like alcohol to help shut down the mind's relentless pace. 03:41 💰 The price of admiration: Being someone like Elon Musk entails significant baggage beyond the glamor; it's a frame worth considering when idealizing public figures. 04:51 🔍 Hyper-creativity combined with hyper-conscientiousness is rare; Elon Musk embodies this unique blend, characterized by immense creativity coupled with a strong sense of attention to detail and dedication to work.

[@wiltordgunter9539]

Peterson flexing on us in a sneaky way with that "started lifting weights" anecdote (pun intended)

[@Strangedays612]

My favourite part in this conversation was learning how to "mow the lawn".

[@jamindian21]

I would say that creativity is most times a derivative of emotion. The ability to feel and embrace emotionality is what sparks the fire of creativity and so a person who is creative can be seen as a person who connected to their emotional nature. Some emotions create, and some destroy.

[@amotorcyclerider3230]

I like the setup and the background. Sitting this far on a long table is definitely nice.

[@amotorcyclerider3230]

@elonmuskceo-tesla I just landed from Mars.

[@6IGNITION9]

Why's the table so long

[@ColbyHikes]

Big thoughts. And many of them, too.

[@AECommonThread2137]

He looks physically healthier than usual

[@broeklien3817]

Thanks I never knew why I drink alcohol I can stop drinking it any time, and I never buy it cause:not interested. I like every other drink better but still I go back to drinking whatever my husband bought because if I don't I would not get sleepy and enjoy my plans and ideas and get super excited and only go sleep around 2:30 or later. This makes sense. So weight lifting slows your mind down eh? Thats worth a try.

[@BRAVENmusic]

Hard cardio + weightlifting 👌

[@mandyshanks2327]

Jordan has face work, teeth work and hair work. He’s been manscaped by genius workers of the anatomy of presentation. Glad he looks better and I hope he is better internally,

[@globalwellbeing1984]

It took me 40 years to get hypermania into remission. I studied well-being and had a lot of help. I took numerous meds , drank and did self help like there was no tomorrow. I got into the wellbeing industry. Learning meditation and various forms of therapy, my crazy brain started to become under something resembling control. Gym and swim also helped. My experience is rare and there's not many of my fellow patients still alive. I sympathize greatly with the families of those who have not had the opportunities to recover that have come my way . I also urge any helpers not to give up yet also realize you can only do your best, small things and kind words can often go a long way to help. .

[@davebudge4526]

I heard an extremely bright academic describe speed reading once as hugely mentally draining she said she only did it sparingly as it totally zonked her out I imagine its like driving a car 200 miles an hour 100% of the time...doesn't sound like great fun when you think about it

[@adventures_media]

I agree. It is like “running” it takes a lot of energy because it’s an active process and it leans into the mind being at its finest. Peterson talks about it casually. It’s not like that. It takes a lot of processing power

[@eb4661]

3:07 “I can read about 1200 words a minute” which normal humans never achieve - no matter intelligence or training. Wow! It really is an insight to his incredible knowledge.

[@macmcleod1188]

Actually in high school I got up to somewhere around $800 words a minute with 70% comprehension. And that was all from training. We had a speed reading course as part of our high school curriculum and I think it should be mandatory today too.

[@markmiller6111]

Errr that’s 20 words a second. That’s literally impossible? Unless he has powers to look at a paragraph for 1 second and see all the words and understand it.

[@EsseQuamVideriSe7en]

@@markmiller6111That is how speed reading works. Seeing it in blocks.

[@macmcleod1188]

@markmiller6111 a lot of writing is really "fluffy" and has no content. Speed readers read slower on dense writing with high content, especially that is new with many definitions used later in the text (like a trig book).

[@sirgooogen]

​@@macmcleod1188 Peterson only has book smarts. My street smarts is like 1500 per minute. Word!

[@rayakoth]

Good stuff comes 5 times as fast. But bad stuff also comes 5x.

[@DrStephenTee]

Part of the price is also alienation.

[@ahall1459]

Learn the art of listening

[@dvanyukov]

Not sure I would take that argument at a face value. What is Elon's point of comparison? I've had a period in life where due to health reasons my congnition declined significantly for several months. It was an awful experience that made me realize that I would much rather prefer obsessive thinking, stress induced headaches and sensory hallucinations. I think most rational people do realize that Elon's life is full of challenges and he has his own unique cross to bear, but man it can always be a lot worse, A LOT WORSE.

[@jaseman]

If Elon is one in a billion... where are the other 7 Elon Musk's?

[@KylieAnneJensen]

Possibly some born in "Timbuckthree Biddleonia", thus having little opportunity to capitalize on it

[@EmpressAdelaide]

Smart enough to stay out of the public eye

[@george6977]

Probably in prison for promoting worthless crypto tokens.

[@Hoscitt]

Area 51

[@khymaaren]

Maybe they are working on less popular concepts than space travel and electric cars. Or maybe there is only Musk in this generation of people and we'll have 13 like him in the next, because a one in a billion chance doesn't predict exactly one per every billion.

[@mindfulskills]

One thing is crystal clear: what Peterson is calling "intelligence" and "genius" is not at all the same thing as wisdom. It seems to be limited to tests of speed and accuracy, but does not necessarily determine the choice of causes in whose service those attributes will be deployed. In the spectrum of human behavior, these "geniuses" are often just as small-minded, selfish, and cruel as the most mercenary and amoral petty criminals.

[@c.galindo9639]

A very interesting and informative video done here with this conversation. Too much intelligence is a negative thing however enlightenment will better help to quell and better control whatever thoughts may seem uncontrollable at times. A great discussion this is

[@Notsusatall-so6jf]

I know a guy like this, but he says that he works so hard because he's trying to escape the explosion in his head. I've seen it whenever he has zero pressure on him or he's not solving a problem he goes legit a little crazy to the point where it seems like he's got a mood disorder or something.

[@trsk9967]

That's like being on cocaine 24/7. Crazy to think about. A lot of people would kill to be like that for sure

[@martinlawrence8427]

Jordan is back on his A game!

[@futures2247]

a storm is how I would describe my own mind, whatever and where ever that is.

[@juliantn]

In Musk's first talk with Rogan he called it a constant explosion.

[@SJT0001]

My mind is a storm. It is constantly on go go go. Im not a genius, but I'm with my thoughts for many hours during the day and night. I wish I could turn it off and sleep more. Sometimes i feel like its a curse and other times i feel like its a blessing. My mind is a storm ✌️❤️🙏

[@RogerCanda]

Hit the gym, coz it can “numb” it down… JP said it..

[@savionsubuga1831]

After that beautiful conversation and beginning to talk about the lawnmower 😂😂

[@falconinflight6235]

Being normal is a special gift ....

[@garypowell1540]

When I left school and started my own company I don't precisely know why I did so, but I suspect that it was for the reasons of independence, future prosperity, and certain altruistic or ideological motivations. I was soon enough disabused of all of these motivations. After around 15 years I decided to sack all 25 of my staff, shrink my entire operation down to a small fraction of its size, and subcontract virtually all of the workload. If I had not done so I doubt that I would even be alive at all by now as the stress was unbearable and the recompense simply not worth it. Ever since people like Trump, Musk, and many others of my personal acquaintance have remained a mystery to me. Why do they do what they do? What for? They can only come a certain times a day, eat a certain amount of food, or have a certain amount of fun with their wealth anyway? Why did they not stop as soon as their lives became tolerable or comfortable as virtually everyone else does? I still don't know the answer, but can only conclude that they are suffering from a mental disorder that even they don't understand or have given up fighting. Maybe it was some kind of trauma they suffered when young? Competition with their siblings? Maybe their minds simply won't let them stop piling up ever more responsibility onto them like they have some kind of Devil or Demonic entity on their backs? We should not envy the majority of these people, we should feel genuinely sorry for them. I most certainly do. Whatever it takes, I am perfectly sure that I don't have it, and neither would I want it. The truth is whether we like it or understand it or not the World needs people like Trump and Musk, as well as Peterson. Without these types of crazily driven people, the world would be a very different place indeed. We may not have ever had any wars or revolutions, but we may still be living in caves. Who knows? No one can know because the world has always contained over intelligent or capable megalomaniacs of varying kinds. Even as a small businessman, I know that without the big boys, my own company could not function at all as I would have no market to undercut or infrastructure to share. Without intrinsically evil corporations on a mission from Hell, my government would have little or no income, indeed my entire country would not exist at all. We can try to bite the hand that feeds us and should do so occasionally anyway, but the fact remains that it is only central banks and their large corporations that make everything actually work very much including our own governments and institutions. Of course, all of the real power is with these corporations, where else would we expect it to be? There is also nothing new about this situation, whether the government calls itself Capitalist, Socialist, Communist, Marxist, Fascist, or something else. Our job is to make sure that these entities don't rip the very souls from our hearts, or do even worse things while doing so. It has always been a battle between their interests and ours and they are undoubtedly winning it. It is well past time that humanity pushed back and pushed back hard as these parasitic creatures are now taking the utter piss as well as sucking the blood out of us all. If we are to succeed in redressing this situation to a more mutually beneficial balance then we will need some of these maniacs on our side as there are precious few at this moment. Even Musk I don't trust, and Trump is Trump, what more can I say? We are going to need far more than this if we are going to stand a chance against the Dark Forces of this world, and I would suggest that we don't wait until the second coming. Also, leaders need someone to lead, so this is where we come in. We need to challenge these egotists when wrong and greatly encourage them when they are right. We need far more great and motivated minds working for us instead of almost exclusively for them. We are at least starting to realize that almost all of the people and institutions that we may have trusted to be working for us in the past are not. They are working for Our Owners and always have been whether they know it or not. The vast majority of them don't know this, indeed so stupid are they that they genuinely believe that they are the Good Guys.

[@patrickbaird7416]

Thanks. You have some good points

[@riumudamc4686]

Please elabortae on your last paragraph with examples. It is interesting: "We are at least starting to realize that almost all of the people and institutions that we may have trusted to be working for us in the past are not. They are working for Our Owners and always have been whether they know it or not."

[@seniorita3287]

Longggggggg comment. 😮.

[@polishpimp4233]

I never could finish maps of meaning. It's a really really difficult read. I would read about 10 pages and was just spent. Finished all his other books without any issues.

[@tonyamartin1425]

maybe it wasnt that good?

[@joellouiseize]

I am sooooo excited for this episode! JBP looks and sounds real sharp!

[@thatslena]

amazing video. weird though how a product with the all-seeing eye is always there huh.

[@AITrumpTruth]

I'd love to know why people assume Musk is a genius. Tell me what he has actually invented. Eistein, Tesla, Newton = genius. Musk is a hard worker and a great entrepreneur, who employs good people and is great at taking credit for the work of others.

[@sirfer6969]

Chris, you're one of the best youtubers to date

[@JustAnotherINFJ]

@2:12 WTF with Jordans hand?!?

[@alexinico9608]

Are wie seeing cgi?

[@ApparitionOO]

You’re kidding. Minor

[@tuningsnow]

Wonder what JP uses now to calm his mind.

[@stimpsonjcat67]

Steaks. ;P

[@tuningsnow]

@@stimpsonjcat67 Steaks and no carbs, you're probably right >:D

[@sebt4642]

He vapes

[@patrickwendling6759]

Thank you for your knowledge and video's USA 🇺🇸

[@SMMore-bf4yi]

But is this the genius of how we were created to be, the genius of this timeline in humanities cycle, a new & different designer lifestyle that’s “ evolved” at record speed, yet ppl arguing in the on line debates, it’s a “ no” to evolution… Facts show fast don’t last, no thought put into the legacy of long term effects… The height of genius in every subject would have to be contained in the 60 thousand yrs plus continuous lineage of Australian indigenous, the worlds longest, what these ppl didn’t know obviously wasn’t worth knowing, happy , understood enough, & a thorough understanding that all is impermanent, left a legacy of pristine Eden for others to enjoy

[@jesterlead]

I'd love to see him pull off reading1200 words per minute. That's a bold claim.

[@nitrospice1222]

I was wondering if he misspoke. Otherwise he’s mastered speed reading, and doesn’t subvocalize. Which means he essentially drags his finger along the text as fast as he can, and just looks at the letters. It’s hard as fuck.

[@sunnyc8679]

It's a complete lie. All of the evidence we have suggests comprehension becomes compromised when reading more than 3-400 words per minute.

[@priapulida]

@@sunnyc8679 "The top contestants in the World Championship Speed Reading Competition typically read around 1,000 to 2,000 words per minute with approximately 50% comprehension or above"

[@jesterlead]

@@nitrospice1222 I'm pretty confident he doesn't come close to that 1200 wpm pace. 1000 wpm is ridiculous. The eye can only pick up about 8 words per fixation, which it can do twice per second - so that puts the upper limit for most speed readers at 1000. Still 200 wpm shy of his claim.

[@sunnyc8679]

@@priapulida 50% comprehension is absolutely abysmal. You can't claim to have read something if you understood 50% of it.

[@zacharyuk]

Reading 1200wpm is double the average rate of a top level CEO or academic. One wonders about the potential negative impacts on retention and comprehension. This seems to be a recurring tendency among popular thinkers to further separate themselves from the crowd and make themselves and their skills seem rare. I’d take all this with a massive pinch of salt because the only purpose of telling people these things is to raise their status in the eyes of their audience (investors etc)

[@neildepressedtyson540]

Bro I want you to read your comment again super slow @juicebox5139

[@zacharyuk]

@juicebox5139You miss the point entirely. His audience is invested in his projected intelligence and confidence which translates to a higher power in today’s age. Speed reading does not equal comprehension or retention… there’s a limit

[@tuningsnow]

WIth the practice and experience that he has, he probably can read a lot faster than normal humans..

[@julespulp214]

@@zacharyuk you are just making assumptions

[@signa8]

I can relate, though I doubt I'm on the same level as Musk. When I'm trying to picture and extrapolate something with a lot of moving parts, such as how the many people and their actions make up a culture, I see it as sort of a symphony. I can't make out the individual actions (instruments) but I do see how it's all coming together to make the subject (song) I'm trying to comprehend. If it feels like a storm to Musk, that does sound like a hell. He's probably locked into thinking about all the wrong notes the musicians could end up playing in my symphony, an that's not a sweet song to listen to.

[@kathylarson8876]

Could be you know nothing about his mind and you are dreaming you are intelligent, lol

[@signa8]

@kathylarson8876 wow, how insightful. I'm so glad you shared your unyielding wisdom with me. Maybe, one day, I will be as smart as you!

[@kathylarson8876]

@@signa8 not extremely smart but smart enough not to perceive I know anyone else's mind, especially elon musk

[@signa8]

@@kathylarson8876 you seem a lot more like a crab in a barrel to me.

[@kathylarson8876]

@signa8 and you seem like a person who is rather living in a fairyland, I do understand that though as I have always lived in my head with a book i construed there, but never tried to believe anyone else was in the same book, lol,

[@claudesaint-nuage]

Im just happy to see that every podcast host does bicep curls. Thnks Joe.