When Palpatine Challenged Darth Vader to a 1v1 Duel [Canon]

[@thenativegamer4053]

Anytime palapatine takes you to a secluded area it’s never good

[@a.z7469]

Especially if you’re someone he actually cares about. RIP Sly Moore, Palpi’s gf.

[@westwardstar1686]

*unzipping noises*

[@blaster915]

Especially when you're a lone female and Disney needs to make cannon Reys parents birth happen. Bad day to be in Palpis sights.

[@EzekielDeLaCroix]

"Oh boy, Palpatine is gonna give me a special treat again!" - young Anakin being groomed by old man Palpy

[@Leondrius]

Anytime Palpatine...never good.

[@floricel_112]

Dark side aside, teaching someone to use everything at their disposal and take advantage of the environment around you to achieve victory is an objectively good lesson

[@raphaelregnault6914]

Well, the Jedi taught the same thing, but they don't use the Force the same way. Where the sith see it as a mere tool to be used, Jedi show a religious respect to it, and they respect life, even the life of their ennemies. They COULD crush you under a ton of rocks, but they would prefer to weaken you up to the point you agree to surrender. You may think it's a stupid, but remember that until the battle of Geonosis, Jedi were considered, and considered themselves, as the most powerful beings in existence. They were basically superheroes dealing amongst mere mortal. They HAD an advantage from the start. They were rarely pushed to their limits and never truly considered to be in a "It's me or him" situation. And their reputation was most of the time enough to intimidate their opponents, they didn't have to show off their powers to be feared or respected. Sith don't think that way. Sith are Skyrim players exploiting the hell out of the game and using the console commands because they can, except the game is their reality.

[@edwynlamb]

like using the high ground for example

[@highlanderc]

You have to use the force like Sylar did in Heroes.... never understood why no one did.

[@Hk-ox4bb]

@@raphaelregnault6914 great explanation

[@shadowsage1]

No it's not. It can lead to recklessness and a mentality of victory at all costs which can blind you.

[@TetsuShima]

Speaking of Anakin and the mentality he develops over the years on the Dark and Light side of the Force, there's a novel written by Ryder Windham called "The Rise and Fall of Darth Vader", which recounts the life of the Chosen One since his arrival on Tatooine at the age of 3 until his death on the Death Star II, showing Anakin's thoughts about the events and characters he witnesses and meets throughout his life. It is a quite emotional and complex book despite being intended for a young audience. Truly reccommended!

[@kanekikingstorm2113]

I own the life and legend of obi wan Kenobi. I’ve been meaning to get that book

[@SuperSaiyanD48]

That one's one of my favorites. One of the opening chapters going into full detail on the extent of Vader's injuries... hoo, that's haunting stuff. Really goes to show how much he suffered for all those years.

[@Gweb52]

I read that book and it’s AWESOME! I’d love to see a more “adult “ version (aka more in depth and complex ) . I think anakin/vaders head space is fascinating. I’d also KILL for a palpatine biography.

[@WolverineIncognito]

The novel “Darth Plagueis” is the closest we have to a Palpatine biography

[@feetwithtoesjoe8875]

Arrival on tatooine? Wait wasn’t he born on tatooine?

[@TetsuShima]

Lightsaber according to Sith: "The tool we use to symbolize our unlimited power" Lightsabers according to Jedi: "The tool we use to symbolize our rejection of violence" Lightsabers according to Grievous: "The tool I use to KICK YOUR A*S!!!"

[@patlotpotlot6154]

And a trophy

[@fez6118]

why censor "ass"?

[@TeenWithACarrotIDK]

@@fez6118 cuz KZbin be breaking the first amendment. Edit: cuz KZbin be restricting freedom of speech. Makes more sense.

[@АртёмКаленд-з1х]

Ass

[@mysteryman5582]

"A fine addition for my collection.. *Cough Cough*"

[@hordegaming4771]

Also reminds me of when Palpatine fights Maul and his brother in the Clone Wars and is literally laughing as they actually try to take him on. He just throws them around like ragdolls aswell.

[@an-animal-lover]

He literally iniated conflict by pinning them to windows with the Force, only dueling them for amusement. He could've snapped Savage's neck and incapacitated Maul immediately if he'd wanted to

[@sovietunion7643]

i honestly love palpatine as a villain so much. he's purely evil in such a ruthless intelligent way that never fails to entertain. he Rarely makes a wrong move and he is only defeated by the literal chosen one of the force going back to the light and completely turning the tables at the least opportune moment

[@ryandenina7735]

Vader was also not comfortable in his suit in the beginning. It took him time to adjust to the mechanics and limited mobility. Vader said he felt clumsy within the armor so no surprise that Sidous won with ease

[@tom4465]

Palps was afraid of Vader, so he purposefuly give him a shitty suit.

[@andreimaxwell4455]

@@tom4465 Palps was also likely testing Vader's mobility to see how much threat Vader posed to him

[@juanlaise1059]

​@@tom4465 That was Legends. Palpatine did allow Vader to modify his suit however he saw fit in Canon.

[@CosmicSatanas23]

​@andreimaxwell4455 Yeah, he seems to be ever so slightly anxious at first but once he sees Vader is going to not be a problem he seems to relax a bit.

[@jpraise6771]

​@@juanlaise1059yeah, we don't accept Disney canon around here, piss off with that

[@Robocopnik]

Anakin - "why do we use lightsabers?" Obi-Wan - "The most powerful force in the Galaxy, public relations"

[@friendlychesspiece]

Obi-Wan aka “The Negotiator”

[@everythingsalright1121]

@@friendlychesspiece the moral high ground

[@prestonjones1653]

I know this isn't the point but can we just take note of how Palpatine's lighrsaber hilt is absolutely *beautiful.*

[@elderliddle2733]

It’s meant to be. Most lightsabers are plain as it fits the philosophy of Jedi and Sith. Jedi make unique but plain sabers, Sith preferred power tools and bulky designs. In Palpatine’s case, his saber was meant to showcase his grandiosity by using Electrum, a metal rarer than gold in the Star Wars universe. The only Jedi to use Electrum were Council Members only to signify rank. This is why Windus lightsaber changes between TPM and AOTC. He created a new design as a council member.

[@mitchbarredo3990]

It is simply magnificent.

[@commanderclown8620]

As someone who owns a physical copy of it for display, it is indeed pretty. But god damn is it impractical as all hell.

[@Jarl_Ballin_69]

​@commanderclown8620 how so? Just uncomfortable to grip?

[@agustinbaletti]

he was already a council member in before and into TPM ​@@elderliddle2733

[@Pin-Din7]

That's an interesting counter response Kenobi gives when thinking of what Palps said about the lightsaber. Very thoughtful.

[@momtchilboshniakov290]

Exept, you know, the part where the sith were the ones who created the modern lightsaber as the jedi know it... and the version they used prior to that was a force neutral primitive replica of the dark side based force sabers used by the rakatans... so obi wan is litterally wrong in a historical sense... as for philosophical... well it depends on the sith, I'm sure plageous would agree with him considering his beliefs on other sith's obsessions with lightsaber combat

[@CornBreadtm1]

Ezra: "Yeah, that sounds great, but what if you just added a blaster to your lightsaber?"

[@ingamingpc1634]

You're crazy everyone would say

[@sundown1362]

I think Palpatine took this philosophy from his master Plagueis. Plagueis hated lightsaber combat, and would much rather use his force powers. That being said he would use his lighsaber in combat, but only in a fight where using his force powers was not enough.

[@TheStellarmanCo.]

That idealogy did indeed come from Plageus as he considered lightsaber duels tedious affairs, Plageus own Master Darth "Tenebrae" considered Plageus a "Master of the art"

[@masterexploder9668]

Tenebrous was alll about some really crazy and cool Sith technology to influence the Force. Instead Plagueis went full esoteric, kind of like Qui-Gon but on completely opposite morality spectrum. Palpatine was clearly influenced by all these ideas, but was even more of a backstabber, which suited his Darth name perfectly. For Sith, a lightsaber became a tool to humble the Jedi at their own game. It's actually taken straight from Legends, so great to see this concept back.

[@krel3358]

I think coming more to the point of it, that its like the art of war by that Chinese guy where actively engaging in physical combat with your opponent is the last thing you want to do because it puts you on an even footing where you know what kind of tools your opponent can employ. When you engage in say the battlefield of subversion and sabotage, operating in the shadows as Palpatine did, he had all the tools at his disposal to contend against the Jedi while never actually physically fighting against them until he got to a point where he had already won and the physical confrontation was just a formality for him to mock them. The Dark side is not just about casting lightning bolts at someone its spell casting in a more subtle manner of manipulating your opponents using trickery and words. Palpatine coming to the Jedi as their friend while duping them into serving his interests was the highest act of the dark side as by getting the Jedi to take part in the war they became defacto dark side users themselves as they were no longer peace keepers but active warriors fighting in political power battles trying to maintain the status quo of a corrupt beurocracy. That is fundamentally the way Palpatine beat the Jedi is they were no longer operating under the light side of the force or operating within balance or in harmony with their own principles. You can even say this when say Obi-Wan goes to kill Anakin, revenge is not the Jedi way but Obi-Wan is there to kill Anakin and take his wife from him, he then insults and goads Anakin into getting into a fight with him. Thats not very Jedi like is it?

[@strykrpinoy]

@@TheStellarmanCo. Plageus would of never survived as Sith in the old republic era. Sith Lords were both excellent martial combatants and force users.

[@gezenews]

@@masterexploder9668 Its also just the strongest tool. Obi Wan's lecture is bullshit. You can't realistically wield a nuke or a city bombardment. They are carrying the most destructively lethal weapon ever made. The sith wield them for the exact same reason.

[@TetsuShima]

Palpatine: "You fight like a Jedi!" Vader: "Well, Siths are basically Dark Jedi, so I do not know if that should be considered an in..." *Gets electrocuted*

[@RP-zl5ix]

I laughed more than I should haha

[@gabrielaj2066]

Darth Vader has a point.

[@shpho]

@@gabrielaj2066 Not really to be honest. We can say that about the Sith from Darth Bane's era, but the Sith changed drastically during the Rule of Two.

[@CaptanF0rever]

​@Gabriel AJ not at all. While Dark Jedi use the dark side of the force, they do not adhere to the Sith philosophy/religion as much as they just reject the Jedi's. That is why the inquisitors aren't consider Sith. They don't properly train and study sith dogma, just use the dark side. To compare with our world, the Jedi and Dark Jedi are like Catholics and Protestants. The Sith are like Islam. All three are Abrahamic religions, but the first two have much more in common than the latter.

[@jeremybstudentpilot5315]

@@CaptanF0rever good analogy.

[@jackhilton8921]

Hey lore master, I just wanted to say thank you for being one of the pillars of my childhood and uploading so many SW videos that got me into this universe and gave me such a deep understanding of everything in it

[@Christopher-qq4dl]

❤

[@RealestKinga]

Yeah I'm sure you didn't just want a like from him. Nice try schmuck

[@crownprincesebastianjohano7069]

Vader learned well, but it is also a lesson he should have learned from fighting Dooku all those times. No one was better at multitasking with the Force attacks whilst using superb swordsmanship than Dooku.

[@raphaelregnault6914]

Up until episode 3...

[@brayden2254]

To be fair this was Vader just mere weeks after ROTS. He was nowhere near his prime at this point. It's worth noting that by the time of ROTJ Vader was one of the finest duelists to ever live.

[@trevorveillette8415]

​@@brayden2254 yeah im positive that Lucas even stated somewhere at some time that vader was Palpatines superior in lightsaber dueling by the time we see him in any of the movies. Which makes sense considering, pre-suit, anakin was the best duelist in the galaxy. He bested dooku, who remarks in the lore that anakin was a blur of blue light he was so fast. He was so aggressive and strong, that basically the only person who could take him in a duel and win would've Been kenobi, and that's only for 2 reasons. 1, kenobi was the master of the Ultimate defense, while anakin was the master of unstoppable offense. Unstoppable force, immovable object. 2, obi Wan knew anakin very personally as a person and duelist. They both knew each others techniques and styles inside and out. Making each other way more predictable for one another than a usual duel. Hence why the duel looks almost like a dance at times. Partners who know each others rhythm and moves, make a dance when they work together. Anakin would've beaten the likes of sidious, Yoda, windu at this time in his life. Not easy fights certainly not. But anakins too aggressive and physically strong for yoda to match, especially since yodas form of dueling is exceptionally draining on the user due to the flips and high mobility using the force. He would've out aggressed sidious, putting him on defense the entire duel. And clearly, defense ain't papa palpy's style. Windu is a tough match up since at this point anakin is being devoured by his dark side. But how far can windu really take a duel with anakin when anakins fighting at the pace we see in his mustafar fight. Windu just can't keep pace with that. This is lightsaber dueling specific though. Throw in actual force usage like in this fight, and yes anakin would lose to Palpatine and yoda. Not windu though. He seems more of duelist than a force focused person like sidious and yoda. So all that background in being a skilled duelist, plus being a clone wars general/veteran. Then you consider that vader is actively hunting and dueling jedi all the time and Palpatine just sits in his gaming chair all day, makes a lot of sense that vader surpassed sidious as a duelist.

[@johnhoran9840]

@@trevorveillette8415 Great comments. Vader was obviously holding back BIG TIME in Empire and ROTJ. He never wanted Luke dead.

[@crownprincesebastianjohano7069]

@@brayden2254 Quite right.

[@ChristianVillamil]

Even when Sidious despised using lightsabers, he became a master using them with such ease and precision.

[@raphaelregnault6914]

Yes, but he was much more focused on mastering the Force, up to a point he didn't use a light saber against Luke (or even Rey but I don't want to think about episode 9). Ofc in episode 6 he may have become too old for fencing (he was using a cane to walk after all) and in *burp* episode 9 he just came back to be basically a zombie, but he was to proud of his mastery of the Force to even think about picking up a light saber. You'd think, from seeing Yoda fight in the prelogy, that age wouldn't affect Palpatine that much, but Palpatine was a human and he was 84 yo in episode 6. An old man badly injured during his fight against Windu on top of that. He is still incrdibly powerful ofc, but he moves with way less ease in episode 6 than before (as does Yoda, now that I think about it => yes he is a puppet and not a CGI model but it is stil relevant in terms of storytelling).

[@rewto5131]

​@raphaelregnault6914 Also, dark side degradation is extremely taxing on a user. The stronger the dark side connection, the more the dark side takes. Palpatine may have been fairly old in years, but his dark side aged his body and soul immensely. Someone in their 20s could look almost 40 because of the degradation.

[@JavertRA]

​@@raphaelregnault6914 The cane wasn't necessary- it was part of a played up disability so enemies would see a frail old man.

[@pro10s21]

"plot armor"

[@brandondetroitfanmichaels4325]

​@@raphaelregnault6914 The cane was an illusion.. just like Master Yoda's

[@dreadrath]

I'm kinda surprised Vader never learned this by himself after all his fights with Dooku who'd use the force similarly in combination with his saber skills. Then again Vader's hatred for Dooku probably prevented him from learning anything from The Count.

[@mikefrost5575]

I just chalk it up to Anakin, being incredibly stubborn and confident in his own abilities. Why take knowledge from someone you're trying to kill when you already think you're superior?

[@nathandragmire4517]

Palpatine was right in many ways because Anakin had never used the force to its absolute full potential. He only used the force to enhance his physical attributes rather than anything else so pretty much he was focusing on one half of himself while completely disregarding the other. He always focused on lightsaber combat and treated his lightsaber as his source of power and weapon rather than the force itself because as Qui Gon once stated "the force is what gives a Jedi their power" which if you think about it was one of the key reasons he lost to obi wan on Mustafar. Obi wan despite having a low midichlorian count he mastered the force that helped him keep up with Anakin and even fight someone as dangerous and powerful as general grievous. If Anakin even dedicated the same amount of time and patience to mastering the force as obi wan or as Sidious mentioned, Anakin wouldn't have lost and his skills as a lightsaber duelist would have been far beyond anything imaginable on top of his force powers being that of a God.

[@T-H-E-WORLD]

Nah, he was just an emotional little hoe! Not saying he fully mastered the force but had Anikan ever kept a cool head he probably could have just about beat anyone with ease at the current state he was. After he took out Dooku he pretty much was the best warrior in the war o both sides. Maybe only Mace would have been the only one to hang.

[@bt3519]

Anakin lost to Obi Wan cause he took his bait lol. Not cause he needed more training. The way I always saw it is that everyone knows the story of how Obi Wan defeated the first sith in a thousand years. When he said "Its over Anakin, I have the high ground. Don't try it." He was baiting him. Don't try it meant, You can't do the famous move I did to maul. Anakin, wanting to desperately prove him wrong, goes for it anyway. And fell right into Obi Wans trap.

[@marco002]

omg it is soo good to see that someone actually knows/understands this

[@BigUriel]

Anakin's problem was his personality. He knew how to fight and how to control his abilities, he did it many times before, but he often let his temper get the best of him, or took stupid risks to show off because he underestimated his opponent (the case with Obi-Wan over and over again). He was the complete opposite of Obi-Wan who was always calm and level headed and always played it safe in battle, biding his time and tiring his opponent out until an opportunity presented itself rather than trying to end it in one big flashy attack. I recall for example his fight with Dooku. He was calm and focused and he won without breaking a sweat. Or against Asajj, the fight was dragging on and he was having trouble with her for quite a while and getting frustrated and clumsy...then something clicked, he focused, and in seconds it became obvious she was completely outclassed. He had the power and the skill, but he was always emotionally unstable and immature. You take Anakin and remove those emotional hangups...and you get Luke.

[@IscAst4]

no, no es Dios habla bien

[@starcabal2006]

Palpatine's speed is powerful and deadly against any powerful Jedi (maybe Windu but Yoda is equal to Sidious).

[@davidzamora8342]

Yoda is no match for sidious. Get out of here with that. Lol

[@1918BARsam]

@@davidzamora8342 what exactly did Sidious do to make you think he outmatches Yoda? They match each other the whole fight.

[@uplightuk8924]

@@1918BARsam If we’re talking about EU then Sidious stomps Yoda. He stomps everyone except GM Luke

[@Paredinho1]

@@uplightuk8924 After Revenge of the Sith, yes, before no. Mace Windu beated Palpatine (i still have doubts that he would get stomped on the Palpatine strenght of the force, but in Lightsaber Combat Windu was better, mostly due to Vaapad). Yoda was equal to Palpatine.

[@davidzamora8342]

@@1918BARsam maybe in the movies but in the books that fight was very one sided. Yoda walked in knowing he wasn’t going to win but hoping sidious was weak from having to mask his power and force from the council. Yoda knew he was no match for him.

[@rodgill9376]

I've always found Palpatine hating lightsabers and dueling quite interesting. On one hand, he has a point in the sense on that the force being one's greatest tool/ally instead of using a lightsaber. The Force can do much more than a lightsaber ever could and I think that is why Palapatine hated the weapon so much. No doubt this mindset came from Plagueis, since he too disliked dueling with lightsabers despite his skills. He once called them "tedious." But on the other hand, I believe in the balance of using both the force and the lightsaber.

[@nicholash1691]

I like how good he is despite not caring much for them

[@Tempusverum]

I love how he used the term “tedious”. Anyone who’s a neophyte is like “Oh, cool, a sword!” Olympians are like “bleargh. I remember the hours of frustration with this pointy stick”

[@masterexploder9668]

Lightsaber is still a great utility tool, but it's only one of many weapons in a Sith's arsenal.

[@timesupea]

A master Jedi is more powerful so it doesn't matter

[@rodgill9376]

@@timesupea is that so?

[@Keptaro]

Been used so much to Palpatine manipulating and testing Vader, it's nice to see him actually giving his apprentice down to the earth lessons and advice

[@highlanderc]

it was never a lesson. it was just palpatine doing research and Vader acting weak. Vader would have mopped the floor with palps... but... say he does... he will surely die too and to what end? All he has is the shadow.... and the shadow has him.

[@BYOBando]

Ahh yes. Those down to Earth lessons from a mentor where they hurl metal debris and shrapnel at you while they give the lecture. Jokes aside I do actually agree with your comment. It’s weirdly nice to see this scene of master and apprentice.

[@negativeiqpoints396]

@@highlanderc That does seem fitting. The chosen one is the most powerful force user

[@an-animal-lover]

​@@BYOBando that's a Sith lesson for you

[@jakewiththecake2915]

Fr he’s actually teaching Vader the way of the Sith instead of hiring mercenaries to try killing him lmao

[@haroldearlgray5629]

Imagine making gonk droids in your hive factory on coruscant and seeing this go down

[@JackTheShadowMuncher]

I would just pretend I never saw anything

[@susieq360]

Tulak Hord: *devotes entire holocron to lightsaber mastery* Obi-Wan Kenobi: "tHe sITh DoN't cArE aBOuT LIgHtsABeRs."

[@fredcavalcante1887]

And called them inferior even when we always see a sith facing two jedi alone 😂

[@BrickMaster90]

Now we know why Vader fights like a baller

[@natesnarrations7215]

Palpatine really said “lord Vader 1v1 me. Final destination. No items.”

[@ferris4169]

1:28 "VERY FEW can safely and skillfully wield a lightsaber" Finn using lightsaber with no training:

[@W1ckedshort]

This fight makes Mace Windu look infinitely more badass than he already did when he practically solo'd Palpatine.

[@ziffiny]

There is no consistency on the matter. Some books suggest Palpatine let him win. Lucas stated that Windu did in fact beat Sidous. So it depends who you want to believe as the final source.

[@bruhmoment4635]

@@ziffiny I’d believe the creator personally

[@KhukuriGod]

​@relationship101central I approach it this way. Mace, with Vaapad amp, is the superior duellist and physical combatant. In that respect, he beat Sidious because Papa Palpy wasn't using the full array of his Force powers on Windu. Instead, Palpatine went for a run-of-the-mill lightsaber duel and lost, only using the Dark Side to augment his physical speed and agility. Had Palpatine not gone for a straight-up saber duel, he would have won. But he chose the saber to "mock" the Jedi and Windu whooped his ass.

[@collincivish8962]

@@KhukuriGod This is a great read on it. Palpatine is definitely the superior force user, and undoubtedly a bigger threat than even a terrifying combatant like Windu. His arrogance and sadism being used as a weakness against him is very fitting.

[@joshuafleming5380]

He did but I doubt Palpatine would have actually let Windu kill him, If Palpatine fought Mace Windu with just his raw force power then he would have defeated him in the fight but he had to make the jedi look bad.

[@apb38]

One thing to note is we all start on the light side. As they say, you have to be turned to the dark.

[@DarkAdonisVyers]

(laughs in Dark Souls and Elder Scrolls)

[@YourFreund]

If Vader was in his prime, he would stand a better chance. And in prime I mean not being a poorly cooked beef jerky with robot limbs.

[@an-animal-lover]

I would love a live-action "what if" scenario (with Hayden Christiansen, obviously) of Vader post Revenge of the Sith if he had defeated Obi-Wan

[@Gweb52]

I’ve always really wanted to see Jedi who use a blaster or other variations of “lightsaber tech “ . Or a Jedi that specializes is hand to hand combat (maybe he “blocks” other lightsabers using the force like Vader in the duel with obiwan in the show ) . I know in one of the old legends books , obiwan used a “lightsaber whip “ . There are just a ton of cool things they could do

[@briantrevino9706]

Ezra. . .

[@quirkynoms7579]

Cal Kestis has a style where he uses a blaster in his offhand, while welding his saber one-handed in a fencing form.

[@cabbage6037]

@@briantrevino9706 yup

[@Jedi_Spartan]

0:16 Did he do the "I AM The Senate!" spin?

[@myspiritanimalisacostanza]

"Lord Vader, there's only one slice of pizza left in the fridge, wanna fight for it?"

[@WestDBD]

Palpatine saying to use the force and throw stuff, but when Mace Windu was getting up in that @$$ he wasn’t throwing nothing except his face into that lightning ⚡️ 😂

[@firstnamelastname9237]

Learn from your mistakes I guess

[@kendrickseeber8706]

I think two things are true about the fight between Palpy and Mace: that’s that Mace was the better duelist and was genuinely giving it to Palpatine, but that Palpatine was also sustaining the fighting as long as he could to seduce Anakin. You know, not fighting to kill Mace rather just holding on as long as he could.

[@firstnamelastname9237]

@@kendrickseeber8706 That seems a reasonable assumption.

[@BuddyBoy-ne1nw]

Vader learned to throw Palps down a shaft.

[@ventsislavstefanov9590]

Wanna know why? The novels came after the movie :D. They have to keep things interesting and entertaining hence, duels and philosophies like this were born.

[@Nickboy-791]

On one hand, Sidious was wise to teach using the force in all of it's utility against an opponent. This actually parallels higher level Jedi philosophy of being more than just their lightsaber. Anakin never grew past using his lightsaber for aggression, which is why he never developed that understanding or the rank of master. On the other hand, Palpatine loved to disparage and disrespect the lightsaber as a flimsy trinket yet on two different occasions he was completely fried by one with his own force lightning. It was an elegant weapon for a more civilized age.

[@seenochasm7101]

“we could make kyber bombs or blasters… indeed it’s been tried. there are a few weapons liked that in the sealed archives” 👀😲

[@highlanderc]

Death Star

[@bucketspree4952]

Is there sources for this??

[@victorzvyagin360]

Shows once again, that in order to get mastery- the true Mastery- of the Force, one must study all of its aspects.

[@ImperialsExplained]

Sidious kept on testing Vadar to see how powerful his apprentice could become. No wonder Vadar eventually turned on him.

[@GlidingZephyr]

Palapatine's expression in the bottom panel at 1:05 is bone chilling.

[@MEJ777]

If you haven't read the novelization called plagueis I don't think you can understand really the terror that palpatine was

[@an-animal-lover]

I still want to see a live action version of Sidious' massacre of The Gran on Corusant. (Also, if a live action adaptation of the Darth Plagueis novel were to be made, I think Bill Skarsgard would be an excellent choice for a younger Palpatine. Your thoughts?)

[@Blundabus1337]

You know, Palpatine was... kind of nice in this situation? Like, he was legitimately trying to teach Vader something, training him properly. Hes not wrong saying he fights like a Jedi. This was less Palpatine being evil and more Palpatine giving vader some tough love. I love this scene, hes not trying to control vader or abuse him, there's a purpose to this.

[@Giova104]

They forget to add the "aaaaarrrrrrgggh" to Palpatine's spin

[@Bene_Singularis]

Thanks for the disclaimer. That's very respectful of you for all real Star Wars fans that would have otherwise thought "wtf is this" is they didn't expect Disney's bs before watching. I'll not watch this, because it's not a thing at all in Star Wars, but I'll give you a like just for that.

[@juandirection3751]

The crazy thing is, both are correct. Having a lightsaber makes you achieve better concentration, such that every slash is carefully calculated. Combine that with the strength with the force the dark side gives you, you're not only unstoppable but achieve better defense. Both for you and others

[@timesupea]

Mace windu will solo any sith that ever existed considering he beat palpatine, the most powerful sith of all time beyond the Sith's of old according to George Lucas.

[@Bro77248]

​@@timesupeano

[@Specialist1Aim]

Palpatine said "square up bro"

[@LordCantalo]

It's not about the saber, it's about sending a message.

[@euruskreacatoa2370]

Imagine if your just vibing in the MMA or boxing gym, and your coach just comes up to you and "invites" you to a "lite spar"

[@StuartLugsden]

Sometimes I wonder if Palpatine ever recovered his second saber. He might not have cared for sabers but someone could come across it and it could incriminate him and thats only if it isn't broken beyond repair.

[@ninja-ho8uy]

wouldn't they disappear pretty fast if they tried to incriminate him. he got the resources to make something like that happen emperor or not.

[@alejandrogibran7823]

dont think anyone who finds it would know who it used to belong

[@StuartLugsden]

@Ahmet Akgun The hilt maybe but they would keep the crystal.

[@StuartLugsden]

@@alejandrogibran7823 Law enforcement could stumble across it and Star Wars being technologically advance would have fingerprint analysts and stuff.

[@StuartLugsden]

@@ninja-ho8uy Yeah and thats why it wouldn't be a problem if it was found and if it still worked.

[@iamchrispaezjr]

Palpatine: “The dark side touches (pause for dramatic effect), EVERYTHING… Also Palpatine, but with the Robot Chicken voice: “But I like using lighting so pew pew pew for that son of yours and the b*tch who think she’s a Skywalker? Heh? Heh? Wdy think Vaduh? I think I’ll pew pew you too.”

[@codyduncan195]

I like Obi-Wan's reasoning for why the Jedi use lightsabers. Make a lot of sense.

[@Archdornan9001]

"Only a fool trusts his life to a weapon" ~Grey Fox aka Cyborg Ninja from Metal Gear Solid

[@TetsuShima]

Vader was able to fight for 5 seconds against the Whole Senate. *IMPRESSIVE*

[@kieranb7747]

old, gay overused meme.

[@barkley8285]

darth maul lasted an entire minute, mace and yoda both beat his ass.

[@ultrashadow9551]

​@@kieranb7747 oh look at you being a contrarian.

[@rodgill9376]

@@barkley8285 and yet, Mace brought three weak Jedi with him. So who's the bigger fool?

[@life_is_a_myth]

He had a lot of practice with a certain queen😉

[@gregoryjamaalfulton]

He does use EVERYTHING as well on fallen order when chasing cal

[@Sprizys]

It's interesting to hear both sides from the perspectives of the Sith as well as the Jedi.

[@can-usa]

Exar Kun, the best Lightsaber duelist would tell you why lightsaber is the tool of the Sith.

[@liammckenna1479]

Watching Jedi fight in different Star Wars media, I've often thought "why don't they just use the force to make their opponents lose their footing?" or some other theoretically cheap usage of it. I suppose this kind of answers that question.

[@TheoMartin_]

It's just a movie franchise it's not even real.

[@liammckenna1479]

​@@TheoMartin_Did you know that fictional stories are better when they make sense?

[@TheoMartin_]

@@liammckenna1479 Do you have a source on that? Or is that just an opinion?

[@diewott1337]

@@TheoMartin_ Who the fuck doesn't like consistency in storytelling? Unless you aren't looking for storytelling, that is.

[@TheoMartin_]

@@diewott1337 If you like consistent story telling, you'll love organized religion. Not only does the sequel never come around, but the entire expanded universe and its lore is also never mentioned.

[@rexmagi4606]

And they say Palpatine never taught him anything...This is what Ras Al Ghul taught Batman.

[@str8apem88]

Didn't Lucas say that Anakin could be stronger than Palpatine, but thanks to his injuries and the limitations of his suit he can only be at 80% of Palp's power?

[@kirsvald9513]

Jedi: power is in lightsaber Sith: power is in Force Anakin-Vader: lol, I'll throw allmighty Sith Emperor with just force of my arms, no need for these jedu-sith focuses

[@darthvocrum5719]

I want prime Vader vs Sidius!

[@kenjiro8629]

Vader: "Why do we use lightsabers?" Palpatine: "For staby stabs and slashy slashes" Anakin: "Why do we use lightsabers?" Obi wan: *proceeds to do a 1 hour religious monologue*

[@AgentQQ8]

“Do not be too proud of this technological terror you’ve constructed. The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force.” Empire blows up a defenseless planet. Luke blows up a fully armed Death Star. Points to the Light Side.

[@simonloliong8075]

Cringe

[@marshmallowbudgie]

imagine working a 20-hour day in one of the factories and the witch-king of the entire galaxy is ragdolling a cyborg sorcerer against what was supposed to be the back alley you used for your breaks

[@threethousandbees7260]

It's been said that Palpatine only carried around a lightsaber to taunt the jedi. Taking their symbol of protection and strength and bastardizing it.

[@susieq360]

No, Plagueis told him that the Sith only bother with lightsabers to humiliate the Jedi (being that sufficient Force power was all they really needed). It was Plagueis who didn't really care for swordplay. Palpatine himself enjoyed swordplay and devoted a great deal of time to making his first hilt as much a work of art as a weapon.

[@rorroryusoul]

Very cool video the lore master

[@Shadowrulzalways]

So this takes place during Vader’s first time using the suit and before he crafted his lightsaber later on. Vader wasn’t adapted to his new physical condition yet. He had to modify his form V fighting style to suit his physical abilities and limitations. Thankfully he’s mastered what Sidious taught him. Vader I believe could outfight Sidious in a duel later on. Because Vader was regarded as the best lightsaber duelist of his age. Sidious only had one thing above him and that was the force. BUT Vader is officially confirmed in both continuities (Legends canon and Disney canon) that he is 80% as powerful as Sidious. That’s actually REALLY close. And if Vader in his prime fights smart (which he normally does), he CAN defeat Sidious.

[@paulboggess1330]

Out of all the wrong stuff you just spouted probably the most annoying was the whole full potential\prime vader\anakin be, there is no full potential or prime vader\anakin, no where in lore does he exist because he never got to reach that, its just a strawman argument Vader fanboys use to try to win any discussion

[@Shadowrulzalways]

@@paulboggess1330 Bruh, unless you can articulate your argument with proof and not with just words, you have no compelling argument to make. 😂

[@ottomanpapyrus9365]

@@paulboggess1330 true dat

[@CognitiveCriptyd97]

Arguable the most intimidating and intimate form of warfare is sword fighting

[@matthewanderson9754]

I need more of this!!! Delve deep into lightsaber history please!!!!

[@JoaoVitor-mv4hp]

I miss the old gold days when I was able to keep up with the new comics

[@HyperGolem]

In the original trilogy it seemed like the Lightsaber was a Jedi's weapon. The emperor even said it himself. It kinda felt like the only reason Vader had a lightsaber was because he was a former Jedi. The emperor and Yoda did not have one because they were above such weapons; They could probably stop their opponents heart with the force. Them having lightsabers in the prequels felt kinda weird.

[@ssjgotenks2009]

what you tlaking yoda nd the emeor ahd one in the epsido 3 they both fight with one

[@suchiuomizu]

@@ssjgotenks2009 Mentally disabled. You clearly did not read what he wrote, and your horrible writing backs it up.

[@RAFAKSBR]

they are like father and son!!! The chosen two that bring balance to the force!

[@Dutchey66]

Lmao, Vader didn't learn this lesson till after Obi-Wan.

[@monsterjustinmyers604]

Darth Vader's wasn't holding back, he was test him but his true power of emperor palpatine.

[@TetsuShima]

*Fun fact:* Palpatine's enormous hatred and lust for power that made him so powerful in the Force was already manifesting before he even developed consciousness, since as a baby he attacked his father when he tried to change his diapers. Yes, my friends, Palpy followed his "UNLIMITED POWER!!!" phylosophy since he slept in a cradle

[@yuhmadda]

…ok…

[@prestonjones1653]

I need to read this book/comic.

[@lucasr6552]

Unlimited poop!!

[@Rizz_Wars]

Palpatine: get sh#t on, lord vader

[@alphaomega1580]

Palpy is so right. You have supernatural power at your fingertips and the best you can do is swing a stick like every other monkey ever? I always believed the Force was wasted on Anakin.

[@bskilla4892]

The Jedi didn't over rely on their light sabers, Anakin did. Great Jedi like Obi-Wan (that left Vader for dead twice) had such a strong connection to the force that it was essentially the force that fought through him. Anakin on the other hand had an inferior connection to the force. He could USE it greatly, but it didn't work THROUGH him.

[@hornet718]

I also read (or heard) somewhere that the Sith used lightsabers only to mock the Jedi at their skills with the blade. Essentially, a Sith strong and skilled in the Force did not need a lightsaber. Hence their abilities such as force grip, lightning, essence drain and other powers stemmed from their will, not their weapon.

[@kirkbarber5915]

The Sith and Vader mostly see lightsababers as tools of convenience rather than weapons of war. In this video, Vader learns that when he goes against more worthy opponents to use his true weapon of war, the dark side.

[@SwordTune]

Palpatine: Anything you can do, I can do better. I can do anything better than you!

[@stephen8805]

Rise of Skywalker did a lot of terrible things to Star Wars but they really destroyed Palpatine’s power levels. He can’t even defeat Rey who wouldn’t even be a Jedi Knight in terms of skill and he dies like a chump by his own lightning. While he fights and defeats or nearly defeats some of the most powerful force users in Star Wars. It makes no sense.

[@wyattmcgee1]

We ignore that.

[@ButFirstHeLitItOnFire]

@@wyattmcgee1 It helps if you think of it as the self-destructive tendencies of the Dark side FINALLY catching up to him at the worst possible moment. He DIED at Endor, spent an indeterminate amount of time recovering while the rest of his empire crumbled around him (which HE agitated on purpose with Operation Cinder, so _I assume_ means that his resurrection ploy was a REAL last resort or something he might not have had full control of…) When he was finally in shape enough to personally attend to matters himself he was STILL a living corpse desperate enough to try and hijack someone else’s body after all the effort he put in to maintain his own, and in general you can see how his combination of sheer age and damage and dark side abuse FINALLY wore down that brilliant mind of his… And even when he DID briefly regain his youth, it’s clear his fine control took a dumpster dive. That or it turns out “Unlimited Power!” is really hard to re-cork when going all out, even if it kills you. Which it did.

[@cabbage6037]

@@wyattmcgee1 yeah, they really screwed up the sequels.

[@justjoking5841]

If we rationalize it... Palpatine probably fed off the deaths of his Imperial Servants and ongoing Galactic Civil War plus operation cinder to keep himself ***existing*** until he could find a way to create a body for himself. Much like in Dark Empire. He needed to "Essence Transfer" into a sufficiently powerful Force User.

[@ButFirstHeLitItOnFire]

@@justjoking5841 So like a poor man’s sword logic?

[@User-nh3ke]

Easiest way to kill Palpatine : When he starts to fight, he spins like beyblade in air . And that time , slice him in half .

[@one-metallica4156]

I would love to see this in real life or clone wars animation. But, Darth Maul demonstrated using the force instead of a lightsaber when he escaped the republic ship.

[@MrBottlecapBill]

That was my favorite part of the final season. That is how a force wielder, or at least a strong enough one would fight. The light saber would only be the backup weapon and nobody who isn't a force wielder could stand up to you in single combat.

[@an-animal-lover]

​@@MrBottlecapBill that's not how the scenes with Maul on the Venator are, though. Asoka refused to lend him her lightsaber, so he was disarmed. In that situation, the Force itself was the backup weapon

[@productivestruggle9489]

Obi wan: "this weapon is your life." Sidious: *A* *M* *A* *I*

[@Gwynbleidd_117]

I like how in some ways both Palpatine and Obi Wan are correct here. There’s a reason Palpatine didn’t want to fight a sustained lightsaber duel with Yoda and quickly switched to trying to overpower him with the force instead. As skilled as Palpatine indeed was with his lightsabers he was not match for true Jedi masters like Yoda and Mace.

[@ralphmueller3725]

I have to agree with Palpatine on this one.

[@Giova104]

In this comic Obi-Wan is so Jesus

[@Infuryex]

"Sending metal fragments" notice how vader does this to cal in fallen order

[@anthonyp6896]

As long as we have good people in Lucas Films and not idiots I think Disney Cannon would be good

[@Themostawesomestvids]

This would have never happened, if Obi Wan Kenobi joined Count Dooku when he had the chance.

[@tugaric]

The older i get, the more i identify with the sith

[@Freethinker_94]

Same

[@DarkAdonisVyers]

Dark Souls shows that human souls are inherently dark, ergo the title, while in Elder Scrolls, humans were made by Lorkhan the god of ambition, what the elves call the Doom Drum, to "bring Sithis (chaos) into every quarter".

[@DatMentalGamer]

dunno if it's a coincidence. but this reminds me of John Wick 4

[@jthegreat3627]

THIS would've been an amazing story to tell in that new Tales of the Empire show

[@thenativegamer4053]

How many Ls is palapatine gonna make Vader take and pass them of as “lessons” until Vader realizes his mentor may have a weird kink

[@starchild3215]

I guess electrucating his son is where he draws the line, and even then it took several zaps before he decided to intervene.

[@BuddyBoy-ne1nw]

The "strike me down with your AN-GUH" kink. Ooh yes, harder daddy. Vader: Bro, wut?

[@6ixlxrd]

@@starchild3215 Makes me wonder how he never defeated Palpatine before when homie can’t do something as simple as turn his own lightning off.

[@an-animal-lover]

That's how Sith training works🤷‍♂️

[@jamaalellison3076]

Him doing shit like this to Vader makes it more more obvious why he picked his ass up and threw him down a shaft.

[@steveosborn7224]

One of the only pieces of Disney canon I’m okay with.

[@Littlemilkjug533]

Vader was weaker only because he believed he was

[@Zovereign]

No, Vader was always weaker than Sidious because he never reached his potential.

[@Zovereign]

@@Castle621 Sorry fanboy, that is incorrect. Vader's peak is only 80% of Sidious' power.

[@JackTheShadowMuncher]

@@Castle621 injured Vader gets destroyed by Sidious 10/10 without sneak attacking.

[@Littlemilkjug533]

@@Zovereign I love how fans like you quote George for something but ignore other things he said. He also said that it’s anikin who keeps anikin from reaching his potential. Loosing limbs doesn’t make you weaker just ask maul

[@JackTheShadowMuncher]

@@Castle621 Sidious is a better duelist than Vader. He didn’t use lightning in this video and he disarmed him in seconds 💀

[@snkysqky8673]

Oooh it must have stung extra hard when Obi-wan started chucking rocks at him

[@jeffcarroll1990shock]

cool

[@berkaltuglu8140]

"1v1 me now" *Breathes*

[@glasses685]

This is why I laugh when people say Anakin would've overthrown Palpatine in RotS if he hadn't been injured. No. Maybe in 15 years he'd have surpassed Sidious, but in no way, shape, or form is early 20s Anakin capable of beating him.

[@girth_hirtzberger8541]

Duels are, by definition, 1v1.

[@TheBigExclusive]

So why didn't Palpatine do this during his fight against Mace Windu? Why wasn't he ripping apart the building and chucking fragments at Mace Windu?

[@venomousdc_0142]

Sidious knew anakin needed him so to solidify his fall to the dark side, he but himself at windu's mercy so anakin is more likely to take his side.

[@gabrielaj2066]

Because mace windu is the best duelist and very skilled.

[@talleywa5772]

Because he intentionally lost against Windu so Anakin would intervene.

[@hazyshade9648]

@@gabrielaj2066 Yoda is the best duelist of that era.

[@gabrielaj2066]

@@hazyshade9648 yes you’re right but so is mace.

[@augmenautus]

This video made me want to build kyber bombs.