When Should A Rock/Metal Band Retire?

[@urm9.m]

Swans are another great example of a band that continues pushing boundaries and trying new things 40 years into their career. Fantastic band.

[@yoiamhere4737]

The single best example of going out great is Rush. They reached their physical breaking point at that last R40 tour, and they still sounded phenomenal. Then Neil got cancer of course, and would pass away about 5 years after retirement. So it's good they didn't accidentally make that sooner by grinding harder and trying past the point of physically well

[@themetalmeltdownofficial]

Rush made the right call. Neil went out like a champ with Rush's legacy intact.

[@waterdive122productions6]

@@themetalmeltdownofficial And that right there is another big reason why Rush are such legends. They not only make some of the greatest rock albums of all time, but they are such class acts and they are just like a brotherhood. Add that to the list of reasons why they're the greatest band of all time (in my opinion)

[@LionMetalMusic-videochannel]

and Maiden, Metallica, Megadeth all are great today

[@waterdive122productions6]

@@LionMetalMusic-videochannel Megadeth is starting to show their age, but I agree they are still sounding good

[@arxxx4249]

Rush went out with such grace. August 1st, 2015. I was so lucky to have seen their final show at the Forum. RIP Rush, RIP Neil. 🙏

[@MadMike1]

20:43 - 20:54 Uhh hello FBI I'd like to report a murder.

[@TheLarryburns84]

I feel like Anthrax are one of the few bands of their era that can still throw down. the band look to be in good enough shape, don't even need to downtune, and For All Kings was a goddamn masterpiece. hoping they do something new before they run out of whatever fountain of youth they've got (in a musical sense, they only LOOK old)

[@thedangerdave7167]

I just found you channel a few years ago and the thing I love most other than your content is you take the time to interact with your fans in the comments. Not a lot of KZbinrs do that anymore and in my mind it makes you stand out. Keep up the awesome job dude.

[@themetalmeltdownofficial]

Extremely kind of you to say, cheers bud 🍻

[@TheStrongBoyz19]

I definitely will think that Ozzy Osbourne has to retire because of his ongoing health issues and especially with the state of his voice like what we heard on his latest track. Also with numerous attempts on the previous finales of his tours, I think after the release of his upcoming new album he needs to stop and not tour as constantly. And obviously I do love what his passion is for music but health and personal things do come first. Yet alone I think the album No More Tears was the last strong album he released, but ever since that album the later ones just don't come off as strong or as unique as his heyday was in my opinion.

[@themetalmeltdownofficial]

I'm honestly amazed he's still alive, I assumed he'd die shortly after the release of Ordinary Man. But thats all the more reason why he needs to retire. The math is NOT in his favour, he will leave us shortly. He should spend his final moments at home with his friends and family, not on a tour bus driving to Pittsburgh or Quebec City or wherever the fuck.

[@rushguy1]

@@themetalmeltdownofficial The video for Ordinary Man gave me immediate Johnny Cash’s “Hurt” vibes the first time I saw it. I thought for sure that was going to be it for Ozzy, but I was surprised to see a new song and album from him coming this year.

[@markstoudenmire4935]

I've been a fan of Ozzy's since the Black Sabbath days in the mid-70s onward; Diary of a Madman is one of my all-time favorite albums & I've had the pleasure of seeing Black Sabbath with Ozzy on vocals twice as well as seeing Ozzy solo twice. All of that being said, this man is long past time for him to retire.

[@verresmilliterres]

I sort of grudgingly agree, but, this is all Ozzy does and has lived for. He's the real thing even in decline. I'm not particularly pleased with his new song I've heard on KZbin.

[@jakobthonen9411]

This is a great video and you make some very good. I agree 100% props to Slayer for doing what they did. I respect it. At the same time I'm thankful for bands like Testament and Death Angel continuing because they seem to be getting better with age and their music absolutely backs it up. And yeah seeing Motley Crue and GnR is really sad more than anything.

[@snaggletooth1500]

This might just be your most informative video to date, I actually learned a lot from it, and I agreed with pretty much all of your points. To add to your list of reasons, I would include "whenever a founding band member/long-time member passes away". A prime example of this would include none other than The Black Dahlia Murder. Despite this band pumping out consistently great material and being a (somewhat) modern band, I really believe that it's best for them to retire, as it just wouldn't feel right for them to replace Trevor, considering that he was around since the very beginning and performed vocals on all 9 of the band's albums.

[@themetalmeltdownofficial]

I dunno. I mean, I TOTALLY see where you're coming from, and I agree that a version of The Black Dahlia Murder without Trevor is going to feel very weird, but at the same time there are A LOT of bands who have continued without iconic members and have done okay. Like there was a time not too long ago when seeing GWAR without Oderus was unthinkable, but they're still out there making records and putting on wild shows and honestly they sound great. Even Queen has gone on with guys like Paul Rodgers and Adam Lambert in place of Freddie Mercury and have done some cool stuff. At the very least, a hologram or pulling a Static-X and dressing up some nobody in shitty cosplay is NOT the way to go.

[@snaggletooth1500]

Right on, you hit the nail right on the head with those arguments.

[@blackwaterrust476]

Megadeth is one of my favorite bands of all time but at the Same time I do hope that they actually do retire soon after this new album. I loved the Dystopia album but Seeing Megadeth on that Dystopia tour was eye opening. Dave’s vocals were at their worst, he still was a great guitarist but noticeably Sloppy. Megadeth is still big but not nearly as Relevant as they were in the 80s and 90s. Wayne Static and Static X made some of the best Nu Metal albums of all time but yeah I hate just how blatant of a cash Grab and how Disingenuous/Disrespectful it is for a Nu Metal legend like Wayne Static and the fact they keep using the name of *STATIC X* Ozzy is in very Poor Health that I’m still very surprised he is still Alive. Some of his band mates might be healthy but Ozzy definitely is in very very bad shape. Falling in Reverse is one of the worst bands I have ever listened to. Would actually prefer to listen to the Graveyard Classic albums over this and I’m not kidding. Ronnie RATke is a Cancer. The fact that he is still acting this way as a *38 year old* is beyond Embarrassing.

[@MrRoundthetwist]

I think Megadeth should add a new singer so Dave can just focus on the guitar

[@AlbertoMM-k6f]

​@@MrRoundthetwist I aggree that dave's vocals are noy perfect, but I personally think that dave's voice is so iconic that if you changed it, it wouldn't sound like megadeth

[@BenFortier]

Man, this could easily be an hour long discussion. Great introduction on longevity, relevance, and self awareness.

[@w-james9277]

If they're still making good music, still good live and the fans are happy to pay for their music, merch and concert tickets, and they still enjoy making music and performing live then there's no reason for them to retire.

[@necrodamus5481]

When should a rock/metal band retire? Usually as soon as they stop giving a damn about releasing quality music or caring to throw a great live show or start showing utter contempt for their fans. But in some cases like Ozzy and Glen Danzig, it's reasonable because of health issues and its really hindering them being able to even stay on key anymore and it hurts to hear someone you admire/admired slowly die on an audio recording and for that it's perfectly reasonable. But if youre Iron Maiden, or Chuck Berry (before he died), or Motorhead (Before Lemmy died) you could really keep going on as long as the fire burns well with you and the passion is there. I always love opinions and takes videos like this dude. Respect! \m/

[@metalmadnessreviews]

Vince Neil be like: "Ige hi, gehion spee, *gasp* likkaha likkaha mihar

[@ElliYeetYT]

Six Feet Under is easily a great example of a band that should retire because they fail in all of the 3 questions that are presented here. They have been irrelevant since Graveyard Classics but have been around since 1993 (Yes Really), The music (As You already know) is awful, and Chris Barnes literally does not have the strength to do proper growls anymore. So yeah SFU are a huge red flag for this.

[@themetalmeltdownofficial]

Agreed. Though I do like the idea of them continuing to release music ONLY so that I can continue to laugh at Barnes and his utter foolishness.

[@MadMike1]

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[@dekapitatorr]

@@themetalmeltdownofficial Barnes is trolling everybody. think about it, he smokes tons of weed and probably have weird sense of humor. he is originator in DM scene and based on his cameo videos, he knows when DM is done right and when is completely shit, since some bands are paying him to review them. I had some doubts about him trolling us and with the recent release of every Graveard Classics box set I can clearly confirm that he is troll. who in the fuck would re release probably 4 worst metal albums ever as a box set. Jack Owen is also a stoner so I guess he trolls us also because I dont have other explanation for that Decomposed album.

[@DamnableReverend]

A reason your shorts isn't as popular on youtube is simply that people on this platform don't like them. i don't know exactly when this "feature" was introduced but I wouldn't be surprised if it was a direct response to ticktock's popularity. Thing is, that's not at all what people like me use youtube for. I never watch them. I want long-form content that I can have on while i go about my day adn do other stuff. Content where people talk passionately about stuff for anywhere between 10 and 40 minutes. The less clicking around, the better. I wish you all the success on ticktock.

[@quentinbringthenumetalchil5125]

Same here.

[@misfitwookiee3177]

I'll definitely agree with you on many of your observations. The Static X insight is pretty spot-on. To me, continuing on without Wayne is like Pantera continuing on without Dimebag and Vinnie... or if they tried reviving Death without Chuck. There's something missing when you try and reform without your star songwriter/icon. Totally agree with Danzig as well. I always joked about the "Evil Elvis", but that album sounded like a parody. And I always hated Crüe. Hated Vince for his rabid-chimpanzee-on-meth voice but also his killing of Razzle.

[@MoonlightBelladonna]

Danzig last good album imo was Deth Red Sabaoth, that's the last one where he actually felt like he was doing something. If not then he should've done something else after 4. Static X is honestly sad though, their first four albums + Wayne's solo album were great. Everything else is disappointing not to mention Esdel being their vocalist. Dope had some good songs but it feels like Static X is becoming Dope X or Static Dope featuring the other members of Static X.

[@wheelsofmercury]

You know who else should quit music altogether? Jonny Craig. That guy's been in and out of, like, 4 major bands in the Warped Tour post-hardcore scene and he's had TONS of controversies around him (Macbook scandal, abuse of multiple women and countless felonies related to drugs and the aforementioned abuse). He did an interview w/ Finn McKenty a month ago and I DIDN'T BELIEVE A SINGLE WORD HE SAID regarding ANY of those controversies. I actually like that Zombified song, but I think Ronnie is the WRONG PERSON to sing those lyrics.

[@themetalmeltdownofficial]

Agreed, that dude needs to get lost and stay lost.

[@xNachtmahRx]

Once they start to "evolve", you know, when they sign to Nuclear Blast, suddenly use clean vocals, generic song structures, and play ballads. Because evolution always means becoming softer to appeal to a bigger audience, thus, ending up as just another flowchart band that is not recognizable on a playlist. Oh, of course on top of overproduction with the same same-sounding plugins that make your drums sound like cookie boxes and your guitars as if you are not allowed to use distortion. Or they suddenly become a deathcore band or, if already crapcore, they'll implement symphonic black metal elements because Carnifex and Lorna Bore had success doing it

[@jmalinjapan7786]

Led Zeppelin. John Bonham died and that was it, Barca couple of on off appearances with Bonham’s son. Imagine how much fucking money they’ve been offered to reform. The sums must be eye watering. As you say dude, brah-fucking-vo them.

[@themetalmeltdownofficial]

its especially remarkable because often times bands GIVE IN to the insane amount of money and reunite or bring back old members for big tours (*cough cough Guns N' Roses, Motley Crue, The Misfits*) but not Led Zeppelin. They did that one show in 2007, made a live album out of it years later, and thats it. Legends.

[@hectorThechilldudeonacouch]

That Static X is a pure cash grab its horrible

[@carters527]

Me and my dad love Motley Crue (he grew up on them) but we both agree we don’t want to see them like that

[@michaelbatts7149]

The saying goes, "Never too old to rock and roll." That says it all.

[@nemesis8626]

The thing is in the metal culture the older bands are put on a pedal and due respect they deserve it to an extent, but this also holds back up and coming bands, look at festivals, the headliners are always these legacy bands, Maiden, Ozzy, Kiss etc, bands that are all way past there prime, does it do the genre any good holding back the bands that are in there prime and not giving them the opportunity to shine and given a headliner slot? I'm not so sure it Is a good thing. I meen yes this is more promoters faults taking the easy route and I'm not saying these bands suck now but metal being such a diversive and evolving genre of music also needs to evolve in the way up and coming bands are promoted or looked at, Just because a band is a so called legacy band does that meen there better? Just because they've been around longer? Of course it doesn't but people always gravitate towards nostalgia. I dunno I think it gets to a stage where bands should hang it up but let's face it, they just want to milk it while they can and don't have the fire or ability anymore to write at the top of their game, but that doesn't really seem to matter because people/promoters just see it as a easy and risk free pay day

[@DamnableReverend]

This was a well-phrased argument and I don't exactly disagree. But here's a thing about metal and I guess rock in general too. While it's not always backward looking, there's a great deal of attention paid to the history of the genre, and what makes the legendary bands respected even by younger fans. The younger fans would *like* the opportunity to see some of these legacy acts, and for some of them, there won't be much of a chance left. It's jsut too bad it's not going to be these artists in their prime, in many cases. And of course, the old fans are still around, and often, still wanting to see these old bands do their thing, maybe one last time. i agree it's kind of a frustrating cycle, but i don't really see it changing much. These bands, even when they're old, remind us of our youth, and even the youth of today want that opportunity to see Iron maiden do their thing, or Metallica do their thing. in twenty years the landscape will look somewhat different.

[@paulfaulkner2855]

Bruce Dickinson retired today or yesterday.

[@nemesis8626]

@@DamnableReverend it was kinda similar to me, I was glad to get to see Maiden finally at 2016s download Festival, but it is abit tiresome seeing the same bands always picked for a headline slot, the only modernish band I can think of is slipknot that's had that push, I just think if they did give some smaller bands the opportunity it might make people who maybe aren't the most diverse in there listening, a chance to hear new bands. There has to be bands lined up to take the torch so to speak, and while they keep playing safe other bands are being held back that can arguably put on a better show as there closer to there prime. I meen last time I say Sabbath it was almost a joke how badly they performed, and that isn't criticising the band, I meen there age and all the health conditions, these bands aren't immortal and time catches up

[@nemesis8626]

@@paulfaulkner2855 did he? I don't think that's actually true is it? I think the rest were just trying to sell a story right?

[@mfkrwill]

Now that you mention it the whole Static X thing continuing with the guy from Dope in the static mask/wig is pretty cringe. I liked that last album they put out (listened to it a couple months ago after i got on a Cannibal kick), and the guy has a similar enough voice that it fits. But if they wanted to keep putting out music i feel like itd be better to just make it a different project.

[@themetalmeltdownofficial]

A different project would be wise. When Thin Lizzy wanted to start making new music again without Phil Lynott, most of them continued under the name Black Star Riders and now Thin Lizzy just does live shows here and there while Black Star Riders is the primary focus. No reason why the members of Static-X can't do the same.

[@billsinthehouse]

Cashing on nostalgia

[@MoonlightBelladonna]

You don't see New Order or Foo Fighters doing what they did, at least they had respect for their former bandmates.

[@nlwrigh]

Agree 110% with everything said in this video.

[@josecorreia2569]

At the end of the video I thought you would call out Six Feet Under, or Chris Barnes in particular. That man should've hanged the dreads and the "EeeEeEeeee"s a fucking long time ago. And I loved the video, I think you made excellent points, honestly. Great stuff, as always.

[@themetalmeltdownofficial]

SFU needs to continue only so that I can continue to laugh at Chris's utter foolishness lmao

[@josecorreia2569]

😂😂😂

[@gelatobenne4342]

You make some good points in this video (mainly, I agree with the health one) but it is starkly clear that the reason you want many of these bands to retire is because they don't parrot mainstream talking points and have edgy views. That is some soccer mom shit and is mad cringe.

[@Midknight_Trucker]

I know I am in the minority but I genuinely like FFDP. It is true that alot of their music is similar in sound but to be fair, so is AC/DC. To classify people who listen to FFDP as white trash is a little harsh, don't you think. Besides that, I do agree that Motley Crue should retire simply because of the tired vocals of Vince. I would also say that Dokken, Don in particular, should retire due to his tired vocals. Unfortunately, many more legacy acts are going to be forced to retire due to vocal troubles and their health in general. Thanks for the video and have a great day

[@DamnableReverend]

Wow, that Static X thing sounds like the laziest, and most uncomfortable, "reunion" ever. I've never even heard of falling in Reverse till now, but that's just horrible. Some guys just need to step back and not regard this sort of thign at all. For all of our sakes. This was well thought through and argued; better than most would do. i think ultimately though it's quite simple: Some artists will continue to tour, make albums, and do their thing, so long as people keep buying into it. They don't know how to do anything else. its' not like they can suddenly pick up a menial job at age 60/70, and they literally do not know how to stop. And maybe, as surprising as it might sound, they actually *can't*. Ever heard the story of Dick Dale? if not, look into it -- it's a tragic and sad thing. Great musician though, and apparently could still deliver fun shows up to age 80 or so.

[@thelastdaybreathinginetern1385]

Ozzy Osbourne is amazing, one of the reasons I've been a metalhead for 13 years. I'm glad he Is still making music despite his ongoing health situations. I think it would be in Ozzy's best interest to retire after this album.

[@tomy8339]

I do agree with you. My favourite band is Black Sabbath. But after the 'Born Again' album, they should have called it quits. Even Sharon Osbourne lamented how Sabbath went from headlining concerts to supporting other bands. That's a massive downgrade and not worthy of that famous and legendary innovative, groundbreaking band. Ozzy also complained how Tony Iommi let the reputation of Sabbath go downhill with an endless succession of band members. It's hard for me to say that because I love a lot of Tony Martin Sabbath music. But at what cost? Sabbath being relegated to a minor act.

[@slipknotmfkrlocust8843]

Personally I think it should just be when the bands health is gone to complete shit where they can't go on or just when the bands wants to stop. Forcing out music when you don't want to just isn't going to be as good as a passion album. And of course if your health makes music dangerous or undoable probably best to just stop for your own safety.

[@MisterBrimm]

It is possible that Ozzy does it because its what he loves, and as the great Charles Bukowski once said: "Find what you love and let it kill you."

[@PowerMetal9877]

Hi Robert, I agree with almost everything you said and I wish more new metal bands thrive but sometimes those bands release 2 or 3 great records and after a while they repeat themselves so eventually they fade away. I think that they also abuse of protools and rely too much on technology. For example, 2 days ago I was annoyed by the drum sound of a somewhat known band (with barely 9 years on the scene). It sounded like a freaking FL Studio plugin. Also, most of the time, newer band live performances are mediocre at best. Maybe it's because they didn't have the opportunity to play at a lot of venues like groups from the 70's, 80's or even the 90's. The talent is there so lets hope for cooler and newer styles of metal in the near future. Cheers.

[@MrChrisStingray]

Unless an older band is making new music, I don’t think they should be performing. For example, Scorpions and Judas Priest still sound great. Def Leppard sound good live but they have been living off their past laurels for 30 years. By the way, I’m a rusty old Gen Xer and I agree with you. Your channel is awesome.

[@davesigismund6264]

This was a really good topic to discuss, I really enjoyed it. Ps. Ronnie Radke smells like stale cheetos and disappointment.

[@waterdive122productions6]

The stadium tour will be Motley Crue's last hurrah. I was fortunate to see them in Atlanta, and I know many of you will try and come at me when I say this, but let me tell you something, I don't care. You have your opinions and I have mine, simple as that. Anyways, Motley Crue put on an absolutely awesome show in Atlanta despite some of those difficulties. I am now a fan of theirs because of this show. Same can be said for Poison, who also killed it in Atlanta.

[@godetonter4764]

Six Feet Under should have retired after Maximum Violence. At least Chris Barnes should have called it quits.

[@godetonter4764]

Mark Shelton of Manilla Road actually did die on stage, well somewhere between the stage and backstage anyway

[@EvilRabbit9590]

This video was hilarious and educational at the same time. Btw, I've heard shitty things about Ronnie Radke before, but jeez. I didn't know he was that horrible. Thanks for letting me know.

[@thedangerdave7167]

The one that hurts me the most is Ozzy God dammit I love him so much he is what got me into metal music but honestly Ordinary Man should’ve been his last album like it’s a solid three out of five and honestly I thought scream was gonna be his last album do that last track where he says those that have been by my side I love you all but man he can really tell he’s leaning on that autotune like damn and I respect him for you know still following his love of music but like you said he just gotta know when it’s time to say I’m done Like look at my favorite band Metallica sure they’re old they’ve been around for 40 fucking years but they still sound solid you know they still sound good not as good as they used to be but they still put on a damn good show and they still sound good and they’re just out there having fun they’re not really trying to contribute anything they just love fucking playing music and it really shows Honestly I agree with everything you said

[@beanman2206]

Very well said man!! Also goddam Ronny really sounds like someone to look out for...

[@stephenmccurley3018]

Fucking hilarious bro I love it!!

[@davidgerowmusicchannel]

Q: when should a rock/metal band retire? A: whenever they want

[@thisisnotmyrealname6990]

Nice shirt man

[@themetalmeltdownofficial]

Yeee thanks bud

[@markstoudenmire4935]

With so many of your comments made in this video that I agree with, the one that I don't is that "Saxon is making solid albums these days just not on par with what they released in the 70's and 80's; I would actually say that Saxon, in the last 25 years, has released solid album after solid album after solid album, each that is completely on par with the best of their output in the 80's (which in my opinion would have been the Power and the Glory). They are truly a great metal band.

[@benmiller649]

Couldn’t agree more mate

[@AngusMacThrasherMetalReviews]

Latest albums from Iron Maiden and AC/DC were fuck'n great, indeed not as good as "The Number Of The Beast" and "Back In Black" respectively but I really enjoyed and continue to enjoy both albums. I think at least Angus Young does have the sense to make PWR Up the final album. And yes, we need an AC/DC album ranking video. Maybe not strictly metal but certainly for me AC/DC was a gateway band into metal for me. I wish Lemmy was still with us as I would certainly have welcomed another couple of Motorhead albums

[@themetalmeltdownofficial]

No we don't lmao. I love AC/DC but everything post-Back In Black blurs together into a big bland blob for me, I'd run out of stuff to say real quick.

[@ProStriker92]

I knew Static-X was returning, but didn't know that "zombie Wayne" and holy crap, it's bad. I believe Wayne is hating that wherever is him right now. I think another problem that some old bands could face, is that the only thing members can do is playing music and nothing else. What i mean if a band retires, what is next in the lives of those musicians? There's people like Bruce Dickinson who can live without playing music because he have other succesful endeavors, but for others recording albums and touring is their only way of making a living because is the only thing they know to do. Great video!

[@themetalmeltdownofficial]

Honestly if they wanna stay in music, why not start a record label or become a producer? They can keep making tunes while helping younger bands and nobody has to watch em die on stage, seems like a solid compromise to me.

[@AstolfoTheRiderOfBlack]

I Can only say the same thing i said on the community post In my opinion, a Band or Solo artists like Metallica, Megadeth, Kiss (ESPECIALLY GENE SIMMONS!) Motley Crue, Iron Maiden, Ozzy Osbourne etc. Should retire, these bands or artists are pushing 40 years in the Music industry, or they already have been there for that long, and some of these artists are close to if not already 60+ years old, and while some of these artists still release some good music, there's nothing else to prove for them, really, they already have a legacy, they already made god knows how much money, and peoples already know their names if you say it in public, even those who generally don't listen to heavy music, they still know the classics like Black Sabbath, Motörhead, Dio, Maiden, Slayer etc. And lets be real, do we really want to see these artists die on stage at such an old age? Nobody with a two digit IQ wants to see that, except the boomers of course who can't accept the fact that their favorite artists aren't as good as they used to be, they won't release another Seventh Son of a Seventh Son, they won't release another Master of Puppets, or Rust in Piece, etc, they should, instead, try to give a chance to relatively newer bands from either the 2000s or 2010s I think the golden age when they should retire is somewhere between the age of 50-60, because once they push 30+ years in the industry, chances are they are getting old and tired of it by that point. But i think it also depends on the quality of the albums they release, lets say, if an artist like Green Day, and this is just an example, makes a bad album like Father of All, then i think its time for them to retire, because really, if they can't be bothered to release an album that's longer than 30 minutes, i think they really should just stop making music, because it tarnished their legacy, but i also do have a general "3 strikes and out" rule for artists, which is basically if they release an album back to back that is so bad that there's no redeeming quality to it, then they should retire. Case and point, a CERTAIN CHRISTIAN BAND Who i'll give them the Voldemort Treatement until the end of this year. In Tl;Dr: It's complicated, but generally i think after 30 years they should think about retireing Side Note: Ronnie Radke can suck all my 7 inch dick, if he does release an Album or EP this year it will make my worst list no matter what, and trust me, i wont be kind to him when that time comes around Edit: Also. Static-X Is still a thing?.....Okay...and i thought i was cringy for still listening to old Three Days Grace

[@themetalmeltdownofficial]

lmao yeah, Static-X is still a thing. They're a giant cash grab band now though, milking the legacy of a dead man.

[@AndDeathForAll82]

Metallica are still killing it live, though, and they’re still making their best material in 30 years.

[@godetonter4764]

Bands like KISS, and Motley Crue should have called it a day in 1991 . Grunge was awful for the most part, but 40 year old men in lipstick are even worse

[@jacquesberger]

Ok, let's talk about Pantera 😅

[@paulwisham5943]

I think it’s when they can’t get up demand for their performances… If they tour and over 50% of tickets sell, there’s reasonable demand. If not; they have to fiscally stop. Quality? That’s a different question. If the main points of their act require backing tracks; perhaps then they need to quit. My 2 cents…

[@metallion0738]

Also Bon Jovi should retire, Kiss should retire, Marylin Manson should retire as well just to name a few.

[@themetalmeltdownofficial]

KISS shouldve retired AGES ago

[@electric-eyez]

SLAYER really went out in style.

[@deanstanley2125]

No, they could have done it like Led Zeppelin when Bonham passed and hung it up after Hanneman died. But no they didn't, they kept the money train going for a few more years.

[@electric-eyez]

@@deanstanley2125 Very true!

[@heyhonpuds]

When they’re Kiss

[@themetalmeltdownofficial]

Facts

[@Jason-to5cs]

God Motley Crue is fucking horrible. When your singer sings in his own made up language and the bands plays to backing tracks, it’s time to hang it up! Someone piece that blown up contract back together for the love of god.

[@themetalmeltdownofficial]

Write the new contract in fuckin' vibranium or whatever that alien element from Avatar was, just to be safe.

[@Jason-to5cs]

@@themetalmeltdownofficial I hope that’s inedible so Vince Meal can’t eat it.

[@frazer8]

Personally i don’t think “relevancy” is a good point, lots of bands/people make music because thats what they enjoy. Maybe you were relevant years ago or maybe you never even were at any point, by why should that stop you from doing what you enjoy? Music is art, its expression, its an outlet, ozzy (or other examples) may be way past their prime but if they get pleasure out of making music and touring then is it for us to make them stop? Sure i agree that lots of these artists are leaving a bad taste at the end of their careers but i still support them making music if thats what they want to I agree with the Static X situation, its incredibly shitty, they’re capitalising on Wayne’s music and milking it for every penny. I also 100% agree on Ronnie, the guys a bellend 😂

[@johngillespie3409]

Hellfest is filled with boomer bands this year.

[@wheelsofmercury]

Another guy who should retire from his own band and let someone else take over is (and I hate to say this, but, honestly?) Danny Worsnop from Asking Alexandria, my #1 favourite band of all time. It's pretty freakin' obvious that Danny is bringing AA into this weird butt-rock sound that the majority of that band's fanbase didn't grow up with... because they were originally a metalcore band. Plus, he's had a couple vocal injuries, alcohol and drug problems, and countless live performances where he would sing the older metalcore songs in this weird butt-rock/hair metal style (that I thought was unique, but that's a WHOLE 'nother discussion for another time). In short, Worsnop should just hang it up and become the band's photographer, because he's actually quite good at that.

[@203-g7w]

a band should retire when A: they’ve done it all and nothing left to prove other than improving individuals health. leaving a strong legacy B: they’re hearts not in it anymore and it shows in the current sound. B:

[@markpalavosvrahotes5575]

Have you ever heard of Don Dokken? He was part of the glam rock scene in the 80s and had probably the best voice in that genre. George Lynch is a phenomenal guitar player. Well Don completely butchers his own songs now and sounds worse than Vince Neil. I hate saying these things since Dokken was one of the bands that got me into rock/metal when I was 8. He had throat cancer and had to have surgery. Now when I look at recent performances from him I do so to read the comments. Like half of them say “Don you were great but please retire.” What do you think about that Robert? I hope you know who I am talking about. The band that sang Dream Warriors.

[@themetalmeltdownofficial]

I haven't heard much from Dokken in ages, and whenever I do hear about them, its from fans complaining about Don's vocals lmao

[@markpalavosvrahotes5575]

@@themetalmeltdownofficial That’s it in a nutshell.

[@Ultraslainmonkey]

@@themetalmeltdownofficial Don Dokken has vocal cord damage, and it shows. Even his regular speaking voice sounds rough now!

[@midnighttoker98]

I seen Vince Neil at a state fair back in 2001...21 years ago...and he was the shits back then! Huffing and puffing every verse of his solo AND Crue works...just sad. One who still sounds great is Tim Baker from Cirith Ungol 🤘

[@themetalmeltdownofficial]

Tim Baker & Cirith Ungol have aged better than literally anybody would've expected.

[@user-fq7rt3pb6u]

I cant think of a better example of a band retiring with honor than Rush. Motley Crue is pathetic. They always sounded like shit but at least back in the day they had the youthful attitude factor. I once saw a drunk Vince Neal (sounding like shit as always) act like he was going to high five a fan then he punched him in the face, jumped offstage, and precede to beat the shit out of everyone within striking distance...That was a true Motley moment.

[@hectorThechilldudeonacouch]

Omg yes this topic, I said Ozzy should retire and internet goes crazy.

[@themetalmeltdownofficial]

Let em go crazy, the man needs to retire.

[@carters527]

He’s like Ric flair who just needs to quit he’s done his shit he needs to go

[@hectorThechilldudeonacouch]

@@themetalmeltdownofficial yeah I post something praising new Megadeth song less clicks I say Ozzy uses Auto tune more than Bad Bunny and people lose their minds lol

[@metalgamer83]

I wholeheartedly agree with every word of this. However I would add that it's time some of the diehards stop clinging to these bands for dear life and open up and discover newer/newish bands and for gods sake give them a chance. I learned to completely let go of Slayer, Megadeth and Metallica years ago and I've really embraced and enjoyed newer/newish bands like Nervosa, Kataklysm, Uada and Tribulation and seen them live and really enjoy them. That said, I also saw the Testament/Exodus/Death Angel tour and those bands are still phenomenal live.

[@THSBIAJKK]

The only think that matters is quality of music. "Relevant" means nothing at all. If you don't think they're really relevant to you, then just ignore them.

[@reaverofjillsandwiches]

Great video I wa shoping you'd do a video on this. I've thought about this quite a bit over the past few years. While I want to like newer bands I tend to gravitate to the olde rones, or younger ones with an older sound. Hey I enjoy the videos you do that piss people off. I think those are 3 good ways of judging if a band should still be around. Wait.. Trapt is still a thing? I remember that one song and that's it and if I could forget that song I would. I'd complain about the new Def Leppard album but I don't care enough. Haven't liked anything they did post 80s, in terms of albums. I love GNR too, but.. Yeah from teh clips I've heard Axl hasn't sounded good in a long time.

[@rogueDukakis]

Motley Crue never progressed successfully past party music, tried to ride the 90’s wave to maintain relevance and failed. If your band follows this same blueprint, retire once your genre’s popularity has come to an end and don’t embarrass yourself. If you ride your own wave, don’t give a damn what the label tells you to do and continue to push your sound forward, never retire. As I’ve gotten older I no longer subscribe to the idea that artists make their best work in their 20’s. There’s a market out there for bands that consist of great musicians, that take chances, and don’t give a damn about whether they have commercial appeal. This is the best time for bands that want to make music they like without compromising.

[@themetalmeltdownofficial]

110% correct

[@jmalinjapan7786]

Here’s a great example. Reuters headline from today: “Guitarist Carlos Santana passes out on stage during U.S. concert”

[@georgeprice4212]

When should a Rock or Metal band retire? Ok. My opinion: If it’s a band, such as - oh…. - Molly Hatchet, when there’s no original surviving members (or members who are considered to be part of the hit making era), then it’s time to call it. Solo artist, if there’s a medical issue or can’t do it anymore, then it’s time to stop. But, if they can still do it, and pull it off without canceling shows, then by all means, go until YOU feel your time is done. That’s how I see it. *grabs popcorn and 2 litre Dr. Pepper and awaits the incoming shitstorm.

[@UriBlack]

Simple when they hit the bucket 🪣 or in this case a metal trash can lol

[@masterzombie161]

I still remember when Danzig did that stupid Elvis album and it really highlighted how Danzig really just doesn’t have any passion in his voice.

[@DiegoDiaz-nz6ud]

Alright, now let me ask you a question. Is static x really irrelevant? They do tours all the time and tons of people show up to the shows. Even though the other band members didn't get along with him near the end, they were still family. There is still a degree of pain when you lose someone who was a good for such a long time. They put on a solid tribute to Wayne, they give a good tribute for a brother who they never got to make amends with. Do you not think that doesn't haunt them? They still sound great, and edsel dope's costume just gives fans the experience to feel a but closer to Wayne. Just because you don't like them or think they're irrelevant doesn't mean that they are irrelevant. Look at the facts, look how many tickets they sell for shows, look how many albums they sell, look at how many people have fond memories of that band.

[@themetalmeltdownofficial]

I think they're irrelevant in 2022 because they're irrelevant in 2022. Their last album was a glorified compilation of unused and previously unfinished recordings, before that they hadn't released an album in 11 years. Young bands and metalheads aren't talking about Static-X the way they talk Deftones or Slipknot or Lamb Of God or other bands who debuted or put out seminal records around the same time as Static-X. Sure they still out on tour, but how many of those tours are big? Or outside of the United States? I know that last time they played in Toronto in 2019 the show was FAR from sold out, and it wasn't a gigantic venue. If you dig Static-X, great, by all means continue to do so. But I see absolutely no reason to believe Static-X is still relevant in 2022.

[@deanstanley2125]

Musicians love playing music no matter what kind of music they play. Let them play as long as they have the fire in their soul and the ability to play their axe. As far as motley Crue is concerned, they sucked back in the 80s and they still suck to this very day. They are embarrassing themselves for this latest money grab. Listen to true metal not this false shit.

[@gregorystartzel4573]

Maybe I’m weird but I think most (not all) bands have 3-4 albums to say what they need in a given project and then they should move on to new and different projects and leave the past behind. I suppose an old project should be resurrected years later under a different prospective at times if an old format makes sense. I have no musical talent but if I did that’s what I would want to do.

[@kierenbuckley370]

IMO Metallica should have retired over a decade ago maybe even 20 years ago

[@therisendead7]

If you're a Hair Band: 30. Death Metal: Never.

[@paulfaulkner2855]

With Bruce Dickinson retiring from Maiden they should definitely retire or bring back Paula DiAnno, he got royally screwed and his albums are still my favorites. Metallica should have quit yrs ago but still get bigger even though they haven't made a good album in how many years, plus they got lazy and are just very average at their instruments especially Lars and Kirk.

[@killerbean5343]

Chris banes cough cough*

[@gcr1082]

In terms of irrelevancy I'm actually okay with bands still going on as long as they know they're irrelevant. If a band only has like 50k followers and they're happy making music for their fan base then good for them. My problem is when they start drumming up controversy to get everyone else's attention. That's just cringe and need to stop. I definitely think bands should retired after a certain time to make room for the new. It's kinda cringe to see people age 60+ on stage still behaving like they're in their 20's and 30's. I just keep thinking some of these people are grandparents. It's just gross. I would prioritize good music above everything else. If a band is just making crap and just coasting off their reputation then they should stop. If an older band an still make good music then maybe they should just stick to releasing albums and stop touring.

[@RATEDRRYAN1]

I dont comment on here but i enjoy your content despite not always agreeing but this i 100% agree. There's more music now then there ever needs to be and so many great bands have left a legacy that people will hear for years to come. I went download over here in the uk a few weeks ago for my 7th time and while its good for people to see these bands while they still can the level of excitement and crowd intraction for the legarcy bands where just a no for me ... I witness a man fall in front of me waiting for iron maiden and when people came to help it put me off seeing madien as i felt i just witness death, Once i got back from download i found out that man did indeed die.I couldnt give a fuck about kiss ether especially Gene simmons so 2 of 3 headliners i didnt see but still enjoyed the whole thing, surpported the younger bands and some of them killed it. I'll be going next year for its 20th anniversary but after that i'll just see gigs or other events that dont use the same bands and names for 30- 50 years. Ric flair a 73 old man is about to have (agian) he's final match, a man who has been on life surrport is going to wrestle. all i can think when i hear that is that man who died infront of me. I dont want to see ozzy, rob halford or bruce dickinson die on stage.I want to remember them how i saw them last..and even then i thought they were old and that was 6 -7 years ago.

[@martes-2]

👀

[@Sarhamnjo]

Another example of a band that went out in time: Bolt Thrower Okay, they did some not so great albums in the later run of their career (Mercenary and Honour, Valour, Pride), but then they found back to form, threw out the arguably one and only best album they ever could make (Those once loyal), and they were intelligent enough to call it a day from there on. Went out with a bang, and have an unspoild status of a legend forevermore. That´s how to do it. Respect!

[@morbidcorpse5954]

Trendy bands should retire when the trend dies out.

[@carters527]

Metallica still kinda relevant They don’t make music But still as healthy as a former alcoholic can be

[@themetalmeltdownofficial]

they're in OK shape... but its dwindling. Like James had an emotional breakdown on stage a few weeks ago, Kirk struggled to play Nothing Else Matters a while back, and Lars is getting really sloppy as a drummer. They don't tour as heavily as they used to either. Another band I wouldn't object to seeing retire.

[@AndDeathForAll82]

They’re making a new album right now. They have been for a while.

[@carters527]

@@AndDeathForAll82 really? Got any info And love your name

[@AndDeathForAll82]

@@carters527 They wrote ten songs during quarantine. Knowing how slow Metallica works in the studio, it’s hard to tell when we’ll hear anything.

[@michaelmacvittie6977]

Something else to hold accountable in this conversation is music journalism covering everything these people do. Would Ronnie Radke and Chris Barnes and Mr. Trapt be able to continue if they stopped being written about every time they open their mouths? Would Motley Crue have reformed if journalists hadn’t kept feeding their egos? While I don’t think “dying with dignity” is an actual option for some of these lost causes, it certainly doesn’t help that media in general focuses SO HARD on these aging men that just can’t do what they used to.

[@carters527]

Judas Priest can stay

[@themetalmeltdownofficial]

They still sound good but I wouldn't object to them retiring, just because they deserve the rest and it gives space to newer and younger bands.

[@carters527]

@@themetalmeltdownofficial cool

[@MetalRush666]

Boomers keep these terrible bands alive. You have to be honest and introspective about the band and yourself, but once you've written your best why shit on your owm discography? Danzig needs to go. In Flames is bad. There's literally a mill bands that should retire or play in a different project. The fact that ppl still go see Motley Crue or any 80's glam band blows my mind.but I'd go see Repulsion or Cannibal Corpse when I'm 60 yrs old. I guess my kid will be saying the same thing I am now when he's my age.

[@themetalmeltdownofficial]

Repulsion only does like one-off gigs here and there and Cannibal Corpse legit still sounds great. Should that change is up for time to decide, but for now, I don't think anybody will argue they need to retire.

[@MetalRush666]

@@themetalmeltdownofficial band should take note of Repulsion and those bands because they know they wrote their best material already and can play that until the end of time and fans will love it. No reason to alienate the fan base with shit albums.

[@voxextremos22]

Rolling Stones, The Who, U2, Bruce and The E -Street Band. Sorry but maiden and Priest.

[@davidburns6284]

Ozzy, Iron Maiden and Motley Crue need to retire. The music is now boring and awful. The best years for these bands were back in the 80's.

[@themetalmeltdownofficial]

Facts

[@antondzajajurca7797]

(Metal) Bands should retire when they (all members ) turn 50 :D

[@carters527]

Gojria can stay Trivium needs to take a break (cause they suck now) FFDP needs to quit Coheed and Cambria should not be making music Ted Nugent needs to get off Twitter and stop watching Alex Jones Megadeth needs to stop in general

[@wheelsofmercury]

ABSOLUTELY AGREE with you on Nugent.

[@derekbastien2181]

I agree with you on all other than trivium, they are still younger, and there last album was a big upgrade from the last one.

[@miketran4289]

Metal itself should have retired back in the early 2000's when Metalica went Pop. Millennials and Gen Z got into metal when it's already dying. Metal's golden age was back when Boomers and Gen X was in their prime (70s-90s).

[@the_motherfucker]

Shut up with that "Metallica went Pop" crap, they only have a few songs that are anywhere close to being Pop

[@proudhammer62]

Actually I think we should just let these old farts croak on stage.