When to Leave: An Early Emergent Church Leader Speaks Out, with Dan Kimball

[@michaelschaber1948]

The funny thing when I became a true follower of Jesus. I thought hallelujah about time, life will be easy now. Haha it was a trick on my mind, never has it been harder. Homeless lost everything… but my faith is stronger than ever. When you can focus on our saviour things change for the better. Bless you all love Michi

[@caryssonford]

Hey Michi. I just wanna bless you in the name of Jesus. He never said things would be easy but that He would always be with us through every trial and circumstance. I pray for peace and comfort in the times that are difficult. I pray that your faith would not fail despite everything. God will honour those who honour Him. Be blessed today friend. 🙏

[@AnnaSquires]

How can you separate the word from Jesus? Jesus is the word. I can't even wrap my head around that one!

[@SachelleCambria]

It really doesn’t make any sense.

[@irishartn]

I went to Youth Specialities Conference in Nasheville in 2002 at the end of my formal Bible education and was introduced to the Emerging Church. The Emergent Church published by Emergent YS was like a handbook to me. It's taken 20 years to pick out the "pebbles in my shoe," but God is bringing me out of the wilderness of Progressive Christianity. Really grateful to see Dan Kimbell here sharing Truth.

[@sorrowinchrist3387]

But Does Dan Kimball still hold to the shocking theology and blasphemous statement? DId you know he join with other new age teacher? Has he talked about this? Does Alisha know?

[@sorrowinchrist3387]

Can anyone pls tell Alisha about Dan Kimbal dangerous theology? Has he spoken about it? blasphemous statement on Christ? Why no one care??? When this all about not being deceived? He is into Catholism practices too and support teacher that teaches it.

[@baronreed8131]

@@sorrowinchrist3387 Hello Satan 👋

[@sorrowinchrist3387]

@@baronreed8131 Baron troll.

[@SmileMakerABQ]

​@@sorrowinchrist3387 please be specific. To which blasphemous statement are you referring? What Catholic beliefs is Dan clinging to and who is he supporting that is heretical? You made general statements but for discernment and testing we will need a second witness and very specific details about your accusations.

[@justgideon]

They always say "methods change, message the same", but inevitably the priority will be placed on the people's wishes, desires and above all their attendance. Emergent, Progressive Christianity should really and rightly be called Compromised Christianity.

[@michellegoad1052]

Lukewarm- Jesus will spit them out

[@jameshannaht]

Such an important conversation. I really appreciate Dan Kimball. Our small group went through his "How NOT to Read the Bible" small group video study - absolute gold and would highly recommend it 👌👌👌

[@martykoepke418]

Believe it or not, I was one of Dan’s interns when he was a youth pastor at SCBC in 1993-1994. I am so happy to see that he has come through this journey with success! For a while, I was quite concerned. May the Lord keep His hand on Dan and his ministry!

[@allisontaylor5448]

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[@baronreed8131]

Very good discussion! I am amazed at the various flavors of false gospels that have surfaced over the past 25 years. The significance of the finished work of Jesus Christ and who He TRULY is can not be overstated. Thank you Alisa

[@sorrowinchrist3387]

Can anyone pls tell Alisha about Dan Kimbal dangerous theology? Has he spoken about it? blasphemous statement on Christ? Why no one care??? When this all about not being deceived?

[@KM-zn3lx]

​@@sorrowinchrist3387 what dangerous theology? Pls explain.

[@sorrowinchrist3387]

@@KM-zn3lx Thank you do you have some where i can email? As i posted here so people can inform Alisha cause this is channel is about keeping false teacher out how ever information they might be, Things on homosexualty, new age, bad mouthing Christ on what he done, these things he has not renounce. Things he is silent on. Its like TIm Keller hidden is a catholic deep agenda. He also love catholic practices and recommended it heartily to his followers and all those who listen to him. I am deeply concern and i feel posting here no one believes. :( No one telling Alisha i am not getting any response. What is wrong? How can this person be supported if he support the devil right hand? This is the heretic teacher he has stand with in the past cause he was emergent. And coming out does nothing to show he safe or not?

[@baronreed8131]

@@sorrowinchrist3387 Why don't you tell us what you are talking about instead of simply slandering. We are waiting!

[@sorrowinchrist3387]

@@baronreed8131 And you should not call Christ satan. Are you going to call Alisha Satan too? Waiting for an Apology! If i was slandering why would i ask to warn Alisha? WHy would i asked someone tell Dan? Seem your not a Christian at all and want to slander Christ.

[@christopheradamo3358]

Thank you for this insightful discussion. I was particularly impressed with your exposition on "UNITY" and the possible associated pitfalls. In truth there are 2 places at which a Church can be in unity. First, there is the unity in Spirit and Truth, based on God's Word. But the other "unity" is when the whole loaf is leavened. That is the inevitable result when Truth is sacrificed for the sake of worldly "unity."

[@stacyclark5910]

This is really timely because I just found out hours ago about his book, The Emerging Church. So glad to know he found his way out! Thank God for other believers who saw though this!🙏🏼 Thanks for bringing this to us Alisa! PS - Absolutely LOVE your voice!

[@jerryfischer3988]

I have pushed theological teaching to be in 4th and 5th grade for over a decade. I get eye rolls and push back. Yet when given a chance to learn and explore Biblical truths, students love it.

[@sorrowinchrist3387]

Can anyone pls tell Alisha about Dan Kimbal dangerous theology? Has he spoken about it? blasphemous statement on Christ? Why no one care??? When this all about not being deceived? He is into Catholism practices too and support teacher that teaches it.

[@baronreed8131]

@@sorrowinchrist3387 Hello Satan 👋

[@sorrowinchrist3387]

@@baronreed8131 Do not call Christ Satan.

[@BobbiMac08]

​@Sorrow in Christ are you Christ??😂

[@BIBLE-UNBUTCHERED]

Sorrow, in Revelation Jesus sees His true followers amidst even those, who were were far from following His commands and precepts. It's not for us to judge which church is or is not saved. God bless

[@matthewfunk6658]

I followed Dan a little back at the turn of the century and remember my concern for him and his running mates. Then lost touch with that group. Good to learn that he broke free and continues to fight the good fight. Stay strong brother!

[@moomin8251]

About 40 years ago when I had been a Christian for a few months, someone took me to a big "faith teacher" meeting. I just KNEW something was wrong, I couldn't have told you why at the time but I went away and studied and soon the Lord showed me the truth from His word. So I ask, why do all these young ministers not have the conviction of the Holy Spirit? Maybe they have quenched Him so often He stopped warning them?

[@LouisaWatt]

That would probably be the case for some, but others probably have never received the Spirit.

[@jeremywillis4246]

Thank you both for sharing this conversation. I have not heard Emergent Church in years. I remember the discussion what is it, a style or theology. The church I attended at the time launched a Sunday afternoon Emergent service. The lights where dim and music soft just as Dan mentioned. I found the points of the message the same points preached Sunday morning. So I thought I’ll keep attending the early service. Later I became aware of Emergent theology is something very different than what I know of The Gospel. I see how from this movement even more different and strange doctrines came about. Thanks for helping me connect the dots. Take care and God bless.

[@harmshoney]

"how did they define fruit?" was such a fantastic question! the progressive/new age bible study i was a part of was so incredibly symbolic it could have meant spiritual gifts, growth, belief, or blessings in life. the double use of language is so tricky! i had a teacher for 6 years who taught that the resurrection of Jesus was both literal, & a physical example of what we're supposed to do inside ourselves, & if we didn't, we would be reincarnated to try again or remain in the "lower levels of Heaven". those teachings nearly destroyed me.. thank you for all you do here!! 💚

[@Sooner-im9qf]

Wow. That's wacky stuff. Sounds like you are out of that. Good.

[@Courage10.18]

I have no words to explain the massive importance of what has been described here. I didn’t realize the hijacking of words/language was in churches before the prevalence of what is seen in LGBTQ arenas today (sex & gender are actually synonyms and doctors cannot assign sex at birth) Thank you both so very much

[@sorrowinchrist3387]

A well know discerment ministry has called out Dan and his theology. Someone please tell Alisha or dan?

[@KJ-lb4tj]

​​@@sorrowinchrist3387 which well known discernment ministry? If you are unwilling to name the ministry no one knows if this is a legitimate ministry. Discernment needs facts not gossip. And what theology has it called out. Please speak for yourself and the knowledge that you personally have, not for someone else or what potentially they may or may not know without giving any information. Such a waste of time to comment.

[@sorrowinchrist3387]

@@KJ-lb4tj Correct but its gossip posting here that is why i asked how can Alisa know. The information is extension and i dont know if Alisa can read it or not? But go read his books he stand with Brian Mclaren write books with him. If that is not red flag i dont know what is? He is even with Rick warren and others here have asked that he tell the people he speak about but nothing in the talk.

[@karricompton]

I recently left a church that isn’t necessarily progressive, but they don’t stand for a whole lot and they cave to culture by being woke. It hurt my heart. It’s hard to find bible believing/teaching churches who aren’t too fundamentalist.

[@sorrowinchrist3387]

Can someone warn Alisha about Dan dangerous theology no one seem to care?

[@BobbiMac08]

​@@sorrowinchrist3387 what theology are you talking about that is dangerous? If he said something or believes something that's dangerous, you should tell us.

[@Holly4555]

Same thing happened here

[@AEChronicler]

​​@@sorrowinchrist3387 What is this dangerous theology? Also her name is Alisa.

[@sorrowinchrist3387]

​@@AEChronicler No one wants to know but A ministry has called Dan and he has not mention any of the heretical leader he use to stand with. His book on emergent still on sale. So what is going on>

[@Renwa82]

Honestly, I always felt like the Emergent Church thing was just weird. I had a check in my Spirit about it so after researching it a bit I moved on and forgot about it

[@amandakeogh4087]

So I love watching Aleshas videos. When I chose to watch this after praying for God to put the video in front of me that I needed to see I kept thinking, Dan looks really familiar. It all clicked when he mentioned Santa Cruz. I grew up at SCBC moved away durning high school and when I came back to Santa Cruz found the SCBC had expanded and they offered a young adult service called Graceland. It was nice to be around my age group. I got involved with the Ushers group and reestablished my faith. Dan was the pastor there. I ended up leaving Santa Cruz again around the time Graceland mentioned opening their own church. I’m so glad to hear things have worked out.

[@ab-gail]

Super Encouraging to know that people like Dan are out there! God bless!

[@jmoss55ish]

Another thought…listening about how he started his “ministry”, I never heard anything about him STUDYING God’s Word to even KNOW what to teach. He’s a prime example as to why one should research the teaching of one to make sure their teaching lines up with the Word before accepting what they are saying.

[@kathleenklink958]

I agree

[@GabrielMartinez-su8di]

This is such an interesting conversation, especially in light of recent positions people such as Andy Stanley have taken.

[@conceptualclarity]

Andy showed himself as a heretic 11 years ago I don't know why he's gotten away with it for so long

[@WholeBibleWithGeorgeCrabb]

Great video! I am from Santa Cruz and now live near Seattle. We really do need to get back into the word of God.

[@jeankolbo3602]

What happened in Santa Cruz?

[@WholeBibleWithGeorgeCrabb]

@@jeankolbo3602 I grew up there and just wanted to mention it because the guest speaker mentioned Seattle and Santa Cruz. I thought it was ironic...maybe it's not. I am very familiar with the emergent church and the evik of progressive churches. I did an episide in it and talked about some progressive churches in Santa Cruz. SC is where a lot of this stuff originates.

[@LIGHTBEARER4JESUS777]

I'm thankful Dan has had his eyes opened I was there at the beginning of Vintage faith in SC and left due to what heard in the sermons.

[@briannehill7583]

Hindsight is always 20/20. For me hearing him talk about language being redefined and realizing that his peers were defining things very different from him and from scripture was very jarring. I am a gen x'er , the very target of this movement. I was raised unchurched in a very chaotic environment. I came to Christ in 2000 and the church I started attending and attended for 12 years until I left the state was at the forefront of all of this. But because I had no basis to define these things I didn't have any idea , at least at first, that something was wrong. God began a work in me and I did start to question things. I became very unsettled in my environment. And really uneasy with the church I was now fully immersed in and working for. The politics, the teaching, the lack of teaching. I was wrestling with all of it. Now I look back and I see what was happening. I can connect dots between who mentored my pastor and who he lent ear to and the direction the church was going. By the grace of God I got out. But the hurt is still present. I'm so grateful for the church I am a part of now. I have an amazing pastor who faithfully exposits the word every Sunday. And he is a very connected part of the church. None of this celebrity pastor stuff. But it was a painful road. 20 years to be on the dot. And I always grieve over the impressions on my children's hearts over that course of time. The things I have to pray are undone.

[@sorrowinchrist3387]

Can someone please tell Alisha about Dan dangerous theology? Has he talked about it? Someone need to tell Dan too!

[@briannehill7583]

@@sorrowinchrist3387 you've mentioned this several times in this thread. I dont call out people I haven't taken the time to listen to. Outside of this podcast episode I dont know much about Dan Kimball. If you take issue with him and his theology then you should make a plea. Dont request others to do that. If I did it would he bearing false witness on my part since I know next to nothing about him or his theology.

[@sorrowinchrist3387]

​@@briannehill7583 I say again if you want the evidence then tell me your email and i will send it so you know? And you be shocked. I also been posting it so someone can tell Alisha. As I would do this if you posted a comment and warning about a speaker. If you dont do this then you become a hyporcrite cause why are we listening to these things if we dont act? And its not about the interview but his teaching. So yes I do know very well what he teaches and what he use to stand on. And he has not talk about this at all in the interview.

[@briannehill7583]

@@sorrowinchrist3387 my statement wasn't asking you to confirm it for me. I'm asking why you aren't taking the steps to expose it yourself if this is the case. You don't need my email. Which by the way I very rarely give out and certainly not to someone I dont know at all. I rarely give it even when businesses ask for it. But I'm not sure why you don't post what you know instead of skirting around it? This isn't an accusation against you. I'm in fact not being a hypocrite since that's not the definition of one. I'm suggesting you yourself post the knowledge you claim to have instead of pleading for others to do it. Better yet why don't you create your own KZbin video with the accusations you make and the supporting evidence to those claims? Then people could watch, listen and decide if they want to research your claims. I'm not saying you're right or wrong, because again I don't know him. But I also wasn't interested in pursuing more on him. I have plenty of people I trust my time, ear and attention to and he wasn't one of them. If you are serious about your concerns make your case with your channel.

[@emillyyelen5169]

@@sorrowinchrist3387 You sound very detached...

[@jbuzzgirl]

This is exactly what I am dealing with! THANK YOU SO MUCH!

[@hermama100]

Excellent discussion-gave me more understanding of what kids in my grandkids’ generation are hearing and thinking about the Bible

[@kelliez9991]

Our daughter was invited to an Emergent Church in college but saw red flags the first Sunday. Talked to the Pastor, asked questions and realized it didn’t align with her beliefs.

[@sjking1111]

Amazing that she went to the pastor! What discernment and confidence. You obviously raised her right, and she clearly is filled with the Holy Spirit.

[@kelliez9991]

@@sjking1111 thank you. I am very grateful that my children have discernment.

[@allisonoconnor8055]

When I gave myself to GOD, accepting the Perfect Sacrifice, Jesus Christ 💖🙏. I truly hold on that God is and will always be: THE SAME Today, Tomorrow and forever ‼️🙏🥰🙏🇺🇸

[@melissamartin8208]

Yes, the Red Letter Bible is a way to believe what you want to believe and disobey scripture. I agree with both of you.

[@elizabethryan2217]

I've only seen him interviewed once before, but he seems to be another absolute treasure! Such an encouragement to come across! 🤗 🙏🏼 👏

[@sorrowinchrist3387]

A well know discernment ministry has called out Dan and his theology. Someone please tell Alisha or dan?

[@elizabethryan2217]

@Sorrow in Christ I don't see this anywhere. Can you give more information?

[@KJ-lb4tj]

​@@sorrowinchrist3387 troll.

[@KJ-lb4tj]

​@@elizabethryan2217 he's written this non descript nonsense in every comment.

[@KJ-lb4tj]

​@@elizabethryan2217 doesn't even look to get Alisa's name correct

[@michaelc.fischer2439]

Thank you Alisha and Dan! Great conversation. We as believers have so much work to do. We need to do better. Please God, forgive our complacency. ✝️ 1:06:43

[@michaelclark6223]

I tried to fight Emergent theology at my former church during the mid-2000s. Had to leave.

[@SachelleCambria]

Smart move.

[@nancymiesczak7573]

Paul tells Timothy to "teach sound do trine". Doctrine is sooo important.

[@sjking1111]

Yes! And we must consider that at the time the new testament authors were writing these letters, the New Testament hadn't been written or compiled yet. So when it says that "all scripture is God breathed...", or that the Bereans checked the scripture to validate what Paul was teaching, the Only scripture they had at the time was the 'old' testament. So that means Paul and Jesus and the disciples were all in agreement with the old testament. 📖☺️

[@GinnyNorton-r6d]

Oh my gosh. My life story - thank you so much for this Alisa!!!❤

[@JM-fs8dm]

Alisa and Dan. This was a profound confirmation for me. Thank you and God bless you for this.🙏🙏🙏

[@taaron5595]

Great discussion. I disagree strongly that women being in pastoral or leadership positions in local churches is secondary. I feel when the Bible speaks clearly on something, that is primary doctrine. There is no debating that Scripture explicitly and implicitly states that women are not to be pastors or teachers over a church.

[@peterwilliams6361]

Divorce is never the way out, My wife and I have been having issues before I sort out help from a spiritual adviser,i wasnt going to let my marriage of 18years crash

[@peterwilliams6361]

@Dailami Puang well not the orthodox way but i was referred by a friend to a spiritual adviser and healer

[@peterwilliams6361]

@Dailami Puang her name is SHELLY RENEE WHITE,and she is a great spiritual adviser as well as caster

[@peterwilliams6361]

you can look her name up online and you will find all you need.

[@danacamp5437]

"Divorce is never the way out." It is if there's abuse.

[@littleboots9800]

@Dailami Puang NO! This woman is a pagan. She calls herself a Haitian Voodoo Priestess and performs witchcraft. She posts fake testimonials from ppl like @Gary Lewis as an advert for her services. In fact she often has conversations between several accounts, (all of which are hers,) where others supposedly have used her "services" to great effect. In fact, you may even be one of those accounts but just in case you are aren't I decided to post this anyway. In case anyone reads this I want them to know. Why would a user of voodoo practices be on a Christian channel? To draw ppl away and corrupt them, that's why. Beware folks, Satan and his slaves are among us.

[@GigiRocks1969]

QUESTION: Wouldn't it be important to name the names of the false teachers to warn people, like myself, who came out of a cult and is looking for a safe place to land? They did it in the Bible , right?🤷🏻‍♀️ It took me years of confusion and study to find that safe place too land and I guess it's only my opinion, but I think it would be wonderful to help others in that way. Anyhow; thank you so much for everything you do; I truly appreciate it. 🙏🏻

[@conceptualclarity]

There is a lot about them elsewhere. Brian Maclaren and Rob Bell are the biggest ones.

[@ritapacheco8084]

I just read a book written by Rob Bell. Red flags were going up throughout but the friend who loaned it to me was adamant that “I would love it”… he grew up in a pretty strict fundamentalist church and he claims that this author changed his life and now he’s “free”… I truly do not know how to respond to him about the author’s belief that those people of other faiths will all be “saved” because (not his words) they all have a version of Jesus whether they use His name or not. This friend is a recovering alcoholic and I’m super afraid to rock his boat. He got a bit aggressive with his beliefs when I tried to discuss it with him (finger pointing etc not physically of course) I think I’m the book I read “Love Wins” the author does try to give grace to the non Christian community and is very accusing of the Christian community. He raises some good questions, “what about people who weren’t reached for the gospel” Would God have created these image bearers only to throw them into the lake of fire (not his exact words).. it certainly gives me a heart for these people and my hope is that these people ARE somehow given a pass but I cannot get behind his statements. For all his talk about not needing “works” to be included in Gods love, he sure works hard to skew His words. I’m praying that with time (in the ACTUAL Word- not another guys thoughts)my friend will see the inconsistencies himself.

[@wordsofjames]

Exactly

[@kellyofthewoods]

@@ritapacheco8084 Rob Bell is not a Christian, he is the spirit of the antichrist. He affirms gay marriage in the church, He does not believe in Yahweh the God of the Bible, he does not believe the Bible is inspired by God, and he does not believe that Jesus was the son of God who died on the cross and was resurrected. These things are not obvious in Love Wins, but that book was the catalyst for the revealing of how far he was already beginning to stray. In his most recent book he discusses where he stands today and makes his views quite clear. Here is an excerpt from his book, What is the Bible?: He says this about the origin of the thoughts in the Bible, "Someone wrote that. That’s how someone understood that event. Don’t drag God into it. The Bible is a library of books reflecting how human beings have understood the divine. People at that time believed the gods were with them when they went to war and killed everyone in the village. What you’re reading is someone’s perspective that reflects the time and the place they lived in. It’s not Gods perspective- it’s theirs. And when they say it’s God’s perspective, what they’re telling you is their perspective on God’s perspective. Don’t confuse the two." Where you find "red flags" and confusion, you find Satan and deception. It's my opinion that reading books by false teachers such as Bell only serves to give the devil a foothold and we need to go to the Bible for clarification on all topics, not our own thoughts (or someone else). Having said that, there is a book titled "Farewell, Rob Bell, A Biblical Response to Love Wins" which might help you with handling your conversations with your friend, although it sounds like great amounts of grace and prayer for your friend are most likely the only tools that will work right now. God bless! 2 Peter 2:1 "But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves."

[@autryhatfield2942]

Brian Mclaren, Rob Bell, Doug Pagitt, Robert Schuller, Eugene Peterson, Rick Warren, Wayne Dyer, Don Miller, Leonard Sweet, Eckhart Tolle, Marianne Williamson, Tony Campolo, Tony Jones, Erwin McManus, Alice Bailey, Peter Drucker, and many more

[@Prrrsnickety]

Hey Dan! Great interview! I was enlightened, and glad, to hear about your departure from the Emerging Church community. I didn't know that happened (I've moved out of santa cruz a little while ago). Love this channel, Alisa. Thank you for your work. ~Renee

[@gingermatha4743]

There is NOT a book of "secondary issues " it's all essential you can't let compromise come into church!

[@rubenoeschger5728]

We need not only unity but unity and the truth !!!

[@sorrowinchrist3387]

Can someone please tell Alisha about Dan dangerous theology? Has he talked about it? Someone need to tell Dan too!

[@sgabig]

@@sorrowinchrist3387 what dangerous theology do you refer to?

[@sorrowinchrist3387]

@@sgabig He has not renounce his bad teaching or just read his books. It can still be bought unlike Doreen who has renounce it he has not said a word about it which is very concerning and someone need to kindly tell him and warn him.

[@sgabig]

@@sorrowinchrist3387 What specifically did he write that you disagree with?

[@sorrowinchrist3387]

@@sgabiglook it up ministries are warning on it. It serious major issues. He was part of a big new age conference and speaker who hate the cross of what Christ done. He stand by them he never denounces them when speaking with Alisha. Or even mention their names or blogs. Its very clear.

[@royruser5074]

thanks for sharing as I didn’t under stand the Emergent church, but I was in a very charismatic church, world famous, I started hearing things that were just a little bit off, according to the scriptures, one day I questioned something that was said from the pulpit, the reply was who do you think you are to question the leadership, the church had merged with the catholics and others, well it wasn’t earth shattering to be told to shut up, but the straw that broke the camels back for me was about a month later, when the paster got healed and gave the glory to the angel Raphael, NO Jesus paid for our healings, when he took the 39 strips on his back, thus the reason I left, when the bible speaks of unity, it means among believers, Jesus didn’t unite with the pharisees he had some choose words for them, many churches agreed to unite with the pope, the leaders were planing to fly to Rome to complete the deal they were to fly May of 1921 if I remember the time correctly, I watched on you tube the pope embrace the Muslim leader and prayed him around in the pope mobile, thus we were going to embrace a one world religion, but the pandemic stopped the leaders from flying it’s not the right time, I said that to say, I literally don’t understand how these born again leaders could think of such a thing, I’ll explain I was raised Catholic, I know their false teachings, one such one, praying to Mary or the saints, Deut. 18:9-12 “…do not learn to imitate the ways of the nations…let no one be found among you …who consults the dead. Anyone who does these things is detestable to the LORD;…” Mary and the saints all died, and Mary is NOT God as is now claimed by many catholics, I also had the privilege of spending 2 1/2 years witnessing to muslims in Albania, they wanted to kill me, I told them they couldn’t I was under the blood of Jesus, Albania 1993-1996 was totally void of laws and anyone could do what they wanted to, but why would they want to kill me well because to them I was a blasphemer, because I said Jesus is Lord, thus if Jesus is Lord, Then their prophet Mohammed is a liar, along with their false god, now as a born again christian, I can and do witness to catholics, muslims, etc. if they come to Jesus I could have fellowship with them as united by Jesus but I could never Join their religion with the bible, one incident when i lived in Canada I would often go a hour drive with a muslim friend to the Mosque or other meetingsI was in a muslims car one day with him his son and a pentecostal born again christian, that had now become a Muslim, at least that is what he claimed, well this happened twice, that is the one hour trip there and one hour back, I preached Jesus and I let him know in no uncertain terms what he did was wrong, and I was not gentle, well I hope he repented and came back to Jesus but I don’t know, I was informed two weeks after the last time that he was dead, he was 51 yrs. old and in good health, the muslim’s wouldn’t tell me how he died, although they knew he was driving taxi for them, so this so called uniting all religions, is not what Jesus was saying, for Jesus is exclusive, and it’s a relationship not a religion, I hope this helps others see the difference, especially trusting THE JESUS of THE BIBLE! not any of the many false jesus’s out their.

[@corinefranklin5426]

I can relate to what you shared. I too, grew up in a Catholic upbringing. When I was a young adult, I began reading my Bible and saw right away the contradictions. My mother is still a practicing catholic. I've shared God's truth with her & other Catholics. But from my experience, they all say the same thing. (Which is justification as to why they do this or that) I'm glad you got out. I pray God heals your memories. :)

[@janetsmith9380]

John 1:1. 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

[@elizabethryan2217]

Oh, my goodness. This is such an important discussion. Thank you both!! 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

[@netwt449]

GOD will always bring those of honest and humble heart out of darkness. There is a protection from worldly compromise which only GOD’s Holy spirit that only is from GOD and Jesus Anointed which envelopes those to be saved. In every generation there have been those who discern words of truth and cannot be snatched out of GODs hand. Be well!

[@jaymcdonald6804]

I met Tony Jones (leader in Emergent at one point) in 2005. I'd had some conversation with a guy I met at a conference, and he then talked to Tony about me, and had Tony invite me to a small meetup that Tony held regularly at a restaurant in Princeton (during Tony's time at Princeton Theological). Tony was cordial, and only had the word of this guy I'd just met to go on about me, so he kind of made some assumptions about where I was coming from. The night was filled with the carefully vague, high-sounding talk that was so common in those circles. At one point, Tony turned to a friend and laughingly said "Evangelicals always freak out when they realize you don't believe in absolute truth." That was when I knew for sure where these folks were coming from. The next day, I emailed Tony (we'd had a friendly multi-email exchange prior to the meeting), and asked him about it. He had been quite chatty and responsive previously, but I got no response to my new email. I waited a couple of days, and tried again. I never heard back.

[@conceptualclarity]

It makes you wonder why somebody who doesn't believe in absolute truth would even bother to play the religion game. And I'm wondering if the purpose of it is to put forth the counterfeit in order to substitute for the real thing and destroy the real thing thereby because you think society would be better off without the real thing.

[@brendav6926]

@@conceptualclarity My observation is the deeper we get into end times, I see imposters being exposed in all walks of life. Now is not the time to bury your head in the sand and ignore the sign of the times. Evil is out there to divide and conquer, Teach us Holy Spirit🙏

[@waldensmith4796]

Great show Alisa very educational on the emerging Church.

[@caroledempsey5052]

We can’t know God apart from His word.

[@patp1585]

I would have liked to hear more about when mysticism and occult tools such as the enneagram enter the churches…and the response is “we will have to agree to disagree on the “non-essentials!”

[@Repent4JesusChrist]

Interpretation of God's Holy Scriptures is paramount,so help us God 🙏✝️🕊

[@ruthfisher2310]

Excellent discussion! Thank you! We went thru leaving a church with similar concerns.

[@BigAl53750]

The Pastor who said privately that he didn’t believe Adam and Eve were real people, yet preached on Sunday that he believed the story, was actually lying and therefore stands condemned by the words of scripture that say that all liars are headed for the Lake of Fire. This is a very serious business and these people need prayer.

[@gailindelicato3485]

Thank you Alisa and Dan! Excellent!

[@laurasmentek1395]

So grateful for this.

[@christinafulkerson8763]

Thank you for sharing! Going to put another book in my Amazon cart! 🙏🏻

[@pf2193]

This is so good. What an important discussion.

[@peterbruderer1088]

A very important conversation. Thank you.

[@mlsmith49]

Thank you, Alisa and Dan. So informative. So welcome. So good to hear your stories. Thank the LORD that you came out of that lie.

[@sorrowinchrist3387]

A well know discernment ministry has called out Dan and his theology. Someone please tell Alisha or dan?

[@happygolucky5855]

Im excited to get your book! Although no one can change my mind that God is true good and just, id really like to learn more about these topics that people use against him.

[@bergdaniel6998]

Psalm 1 says blessed is the man who censores all the dangerous sources of information and has learned who to listen to.

[@karenpeterson5780]

SO good! Thank you both.

[@lorieneighbors7092]

Such a good conversation.

[@TheBlessingReport]

Great video

[@godsgospelgirl]

Just listened on podcast. This was so good and interesting! Thank you both!

[@debspinelli1043]

Hello to Dan from his friends at Valley Bible in Jersey :). Thanks to you both... an excellent, helpful discussion, and so important!

[@dan.kimball]

Hello Deb!! Always love being at Valley Bible and so very thankful for your ministry there!

[@scholasticbookfair.]

I wouldn't consider my church to be progressive whatsoever but recently my pastor said something that didn't sit right with me. He said we are as anointed as Jesus. It really rubbed me the wrong way and he had the congregation repeating it. It was really weird. Can someone shed some light on this?

[@flowerpower3618]

I think you are right.

[@karinerness4165]

@Scholastic Book, can you eleberate on the context and the scripture reference(s) used?

[@scholasticbookfair.]

@@karinerness4165 there was none from what I can remember. I haven't been back to church since I gave birth 10 weeks ago so it's sort of cloudy.

[@conceptualclarity]

Did he say something about "Christ is not really Jesus's last name" but just a reference to the fact that Jesus had the Holy Spirit?

[@scholasticbookfair.]

@@conceptualclarity nope

[@libertylarochelle8517]

Thank you Alyssa. Blessings to one and all.

[@sorrowinchrist3387]

Can someone please tell Alisha about Dan dangerous theology? Has he talked about it? Someone need to tell Dan too!

[@cheerfulmouse]

Thank you!! 👏💖✝️🕊️🙏

[@conceptualclarity]

It's not wacky that churches have serious controversies over women in ministry because it's not only a belief issue like eschatology or Calvinism; it's an obedience issue. Going against the Bible on this is not just error, it is sin. If you read the passages themselves they do not present as matters that should be regarded as trivial and shrugged off; they support the idea that departure from scriptural principle here should not be tolerated among Christians. Having said that, Kimball is right in this respect: charismatics and Pentecostals who take a permissive view about women in ministry overwhelmingly tend to have a very high view of scripture. However the same is not true of Baptists and Presbyterians who are permissive about women in ministry. They tend to place current progressive thought on a higher plane than scripture, and unlike permissive charismatics and Pentecostals, the permissive Baptists and Presbyterians overwhelmingly reject the Bible's teaching on submission of wives to husbands, which is a teaching as obvious as what Kimball cited about the Bible's teaching on gossip. Among non-Pentecostal evangelicals, permissiveness about women in ministry is an off-ramp from the authority of scripture and in the long term from the faith itself, as Wayne Grudem pointed out in his 2006 book Evangelical Feminism. Therefore the battle against drift in this area should be fought urgently. Christians should pray that the Southern Baptists this summer will not readmit to their convention Saddleback Church, which has become a woman pastor church and a gay-affirming church (see Robert Gagnon's Facebook April 11-16, 2023). It has occurred to me recently that the attempts to provide supposed biblical rationale for disregarding instructions for women in the local church including women serving as pastors have served as a template for the efforts to provide purported biblical justification for homosexual relationships. The same emphasis on ancient manners and customs rendering didactic NT passages understandable only to a small clique of seminary professors with very specialized knowledge. (Compare the Reformation doctrine of the perspicuity of scripture.) The same bogus assertions that Greek words in the New Testament have been horribly mistranslated for 2 millenia and in all of our current English versions. The same use of passages like Gal 3:28 setting forth broad principles to nullify very specific teachings of other passages. The same insistence upon using "lenses" for allegedly interpreting scripture. It is a good video, and congrats to Dan Kimball for being willing to course-correct. We see so little of that on the part of church leaders today.

[@mandys6525]

Alisa Childers, I have relatives who are and have been "First Nazarene" Christians much of their life who some years back, when in their mid 30's, were quite triggered when I mentioned that Rob Bell was one to be cautious of due to his current "beliefs" at that time. They defended him emphatically basically agreeing with all Rob Bell was about. 🙄 One of those relatives is and was an active pastor at a First Nazarene church. That part is no doubt concerning.

[@caprimungeam662]

Thank you....this vein lines up with Gavin Ortlund's "Finding the right hills to die on". Ask your Christian friends, start the conversation, "What do you mean by........?

[@astrongmama]

It's strange to me that the people who left the "table" and pitched a new "tent" are the ones calling for unity. If you want unity, you should come back to the original place. If we aren't unified, it isn't because I moved.

[@Angel-cu5mf]

the part about words and meanings is crucial

[@geraldmoore1836]

Glad your on the air thank fir your exposing these wolfs ❤

[@joeregis6144]

“The Church isn’t the building on the corner of ‘WALK’ and ‘DON’T WALK.'”The Church is Born Again Child Of God

[@geraldpolmateer3255]

Matthew 28:19, 20 starts with "go". It is not about inviting but going. There is a huge difference in the people between inviting and going.

[@johnbenedict1883]

We need to teach them Scripture but not diminish the reality and implication!

[@mellbelle81]

As long as the church continues to tolerate child sacrifice we will suffer delusions, lack of discernment and will continue to cover her sins

[@triciad5723]

Did I miss where Dan repented from the emergent unification with the Roman Church? Because that is also a different Jesus. I didn’t hear him mention that. Just wondering. You came out of the progressive church. I came out of the Roman Catholic Church. Different Jesus.

[@lionelbradley4394]

2 Timothy 4:3 KJV - For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

[@KM-zn3lx]

I came out of RCC barely before COVID. But I don't feel the Pentacostal church I attend with my husband is where I belong. Should you leave them? The pastor is biblical in his sermons but worship is mostly vacuous.

[@Geoplanetjane]

Go to the Episcopal Church.

[@redpill77-q8m]

In essentials unity, in non essentials liberty, in all things charity. Augustine of HIppo

[@iw9338]

Thanks very much 🙏❤

[@MrMrscoffey]

Thank you…I have been so confused…TODAY IS HARD ENOUGH

[@ceciliaford6064]

Wonderful teaching

[@Miss.G.H]

This is a great topic.☻

[@Jimbob-hj6qp]

This applies to any leader of any age.

[@Nikki-MMG]

You have no idea how much I needed to hear that @alisachilders. I've been having a conversation by KZbin comment section with someone, for quite a while now. It's hard to have a conversation with someone who claims to be a Christian but doesn't believe in the authority of Scripture. I am feeling a bit frustrated especially after having you and Jim have so much to constructively criticize on my presentations this past couple weeks, at CIA. I talked by email with Shanda and I've really started to wonder if I'm cut out for apologetics at all, to be honest. Hearing you say you see it's hard when we're playing ball in different parks really hit me. I feel like those are the only conversations I end up in. It's even harder by chat. I was trying to learn, but I'm not getting any better at it. I keep bombing it. **Sigh**

[@michellegoad1052]

People fall back in loving everyone and just being a good person along with the statement that many Christian’s aren’t really Christian with less than their views! My sister has fallen into that realm. Very liberal. Scripture is truth and we must uphold it. If God says something is wrong, it’s wrong. We are to accept the scripture, but people like my sister just use what they want to use and throw other scriptures in it faces. A very sad time, indeed.

[@Nikki-MMG]

@Michelle Goad agreed. Very sad time. Yes, Scripture is truth and authority. It's so hard when self-proclaimed Christians refuse to see that. I'll be praying for your sister.

[@LauriSims]

Are we to remain friends (as Dan says at 40:50) given the teaching of 1 Corinthians 5:11? Progressives have created a god in their own image (idolatry) and profess to be brethren.

[@kimber9000]

Women in ministry is a fundamental issue that if not properly applied is not a place of unity.

[@enghongong]

Thank you for the talk. The next thing the church will be facing is AI theology. Which is something very powerful and disruptive.

[@wlodell]

Yes, I did view this video, but not in its entirety. I am compelled to say; his directional posture, hand waving, constant fidgeting, and his casting glances to his upper right suggest nervousness. And the pompadour doesn’t help. Still, he is addresses the sensitivity and damaging aspects of a changing culture facilitated by modern media all caused by a progressive church ministry - he acknowledges that. Interesting.

[@RainbowMan.]

Beautiful!! 😍

[@kalulu1675]

I went to a chapel service at the university where I worked to hear a well-known Emergent speaker. I quickly picked out the twisted teaching. He claimed that Jesus was about "inclusion"--that is, reaching out to people excluded from the religious life of the community. Jesus did mix with publicans, sinners, and Pharisees...but getting people accepted into the religious life of the community was not what he preached. He preached the kingdom of God, which included repentance. The fact is, we are all excluded from fellowship with God in our natural fallen humanity. There is no inclusion in the life of Christ without regeneration, i.e., repentance and the remission of sin by His blood.

[@Uni85h]

Our church dropped the Orange curriculum last year because our leaders saw that coming

[@jeankolbo3602]

Please tell me what you mean… saw what coming?

[@brigittemurphy879]

What is the orange curiculum?

[@royruser5074]

this is like saying do you believe in God many say yes, but if you don’t ask what God? you must now ask what Jesus or as Jesus said who do you say I am?

[@jboreal7982]

“People in cults don’t think they’re in cults.” No doubt about that. In most cases people in cults believe that they belong to the one and only, true church or path to God.

[@GinnyNorton-r6d]

So if you hear another church member recommending Richard Rohr- what should you say?

[@thesimplyagapeproject6342]

All of Dan's books are still available. Hope you make a ton of money with all your sponsors. Great to promote a lot of the Reformed camps as well. The road your on is where Beth Moore went south. Praying for you.

[@inchristalone25]

I just realized this as well, at first I was confused because his books are not grounded in the Jesus of the scriptures. He needs to take them off the market or at least put out a new book denouncing them.

[@wordsofjames]

Reformed is nonsense

[@thesimplyagapeproject6342]

@@wordsofjames another gospel another jesus

[@KD-gd5oq]

"Divisiveness" isn't always a bad thing. Think about Jesus: "Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division." Wheat and chaff are to be separated.