When were the Daleks first shown to be able to fly?

[@GreaterGrievobeast55]

“Real daleks don’t fly! Real daleks level the building!” - old school dalek

[@playtime_foxy]

Paradigm dalek:"who's gonna tell him..." Imperial dalek:"not it!" Bronze dalek:"no-.... Bugger..." Imperial dalek:"your not a real dalek though... Your technically impure" Bronze dalek:"oh yea!? Y-your mom's impure" Paradigm dalek:"duuuude...." Bronze dalek:"too far?..." Paradigm dalek:"way to far..." Bronze dalek:"oh..." Imperial dalek:"totally uncalled for...." Paradigm dalek:"isn't there more of us?" Imperial dalek:"the writer could only think of 3..." (All the daleks look at the camera) U-u-u-u-um.... Hi.... Death squad dalek:"if bronze daleks are impure then why do we enforce dalek purity?" Paradigm dalek:"listen here you little sh-"

[@plantainsame2049]

@@playtime_foxy neither is the Imperial because aren't they non Khalid

[@playtime_foxy]

@@plantainsame2049 now I imagine a zoom into the paradigm daleks casing and the mutant inside is doing the Leonardo DiCaprio laughing meme knowing he's the only pure dalek in the room

[@mclatchyt]

Based.

[@idontlikeitproductions3509]

One of the things I love about the Dalek flying up the stairs in Remembrance was that the moment that Dalek appears, the Doctor says "The stairs!", just to set in the assumption to the audience that's the best course of action, and then when the Dalek follows him, it really sells the surprise/fear value, especially as it continues to screech at the Doctor. It's a very nice frantic cliffhanger scene. Though I do like the reveal of flight in the episode Dalek, when Adam's smugness is shattered by the Dalek's stoic "ELEVATE".

[@mrjoe5292]

Yeah they're both great scenes. I love how you first see the elevation from the Dalek's perspective in "Dalek"

[@Foebane72]

Adam was a dick, I'm glad he was kicked off the TARDIS.

[@playtime_foxy]

I remember hearing that dalek flight was always implied throughout the show since their beginning but until remembrance they couldn't actually show it, the thought that every dalek was able to fly can be quite scary, no more fleeing the classic daleks up a flight of stairs because turns out they've got flight of their own, this is reinforced by the fact that in the magicians apprentice and witches familiar... I think it was the second part, witches familiar that actually had classic daleks flying in the city on skaro, daleks from as early as planet of the daleks... What do y'all think about that?

[@plantainsame2049]

Well they don't have wheels on the bottom so they probably hover maybe their hover capabilities just get more advanced like a dead Planet Dalek can't even leave the floor wait dead planet is part of the first cereal called the Daleks right

[@playtime_foxy]

@@plantainsame2049 the dead planet dalek is from "the daleks" yes

[@TiMona42]

Personally I assumed the Magician daleks were likely older daleks that had been modified, given that they sported the newer blue eye also.

[@guymadgesam24]

​@@TiMona42I've always thought that too, he should make a video about it

[@UwURainUwU]

My main issue with flying Daleks is just how sluggish they are on the ground but absolutely nibble and zoom around in the sky

[@Ripper2509]

Now I'm just imagining Daleks speeding around the ground like Go-Karts, doing sick drifts and making "Eeeeeeeee" noises.

[@Dalekzilla]

I have to go with the Dalek comics, which showed them flying on their hoverbouts/solar discs as early as the (maybe) late 60s (not sure if that's right)? In the TV series it would have been the Dalek on the disc rising up the exhaust vent in Planet of the Daleks.

[@inspector2363]

The clean fender imprint left by the resting invisible Dalek in Planet suggests it was hovering slightly before settling on the ground.

[@adrianschannel5643]

It was also mentioned in Death to the Daleks - where all electrical power was drained. That the Daleks moved by Psychokinesis. A form of telekinesis. So they explicitly did not move on wheels but hovered above the ground. They were also shown very often atop stairs that they could not have climbed had they simply run across the ground as if they were in a wheelchair and had trouble with things like street curbs. They are seen atop stairs in the London scenes in Dalek invasion of earth. The Chase has been mentioned. In the Evil of the Daleks in the house - several Daleks patrol upstairs in the manor house, so logically must have hovered up. However, they are often killed by throwing them off a height, so they crash and smash below. So Daleks were shown to hover but not fly. In the TV 21 Dalek comic strip, the Daleks had devices called hoverbouts, that they used as flying platforms, They specifically used these antigrav devices to fly and they worked exactly like the antigrav disc in Planet of the Dalek. So the first flying Dalek is from the Daleks comic strip. They could never afford flying daleks in the classic series and all seen on screen, save the one in Planet only hover. The ones from planet or the comic really do not count, any more that a Dalek entering a lift or an spaceship could be considered flying. As they are using an external device and not their own inbuilt motive power. This was head canon for most fans growing up in the 60s and 70s, Daleks hovered by mind power, they could not fly, but could move themselves and objects with the power of their mind. Outside their casings they were very weak and immediately near death, as it acted like a life support for them. The creature was the brain and the casing its armoured body. The first flying Daleks are from the new series if I recall correctly the Dalek from Dalek only hovered and did not fly as such and the first new series flying daleks were from their second appearance Doomsday.

[@10thdoctor15]

The second appearance of new Daleks was in Bad Wolf/Parting of the Ways, in which they are shown flying around the Emperor's flagship and across to Satellite 5. The technology may not be built into the casing in Planet, but it is still anti-gravity tech, compared to simply getting in a lift.

[@adrianschannel5643]

@@10thdoctor15 You are right - I remembered it being their second appearance - I have also just recalled that in Dalek it shot a hole in the ceiling - with the subtext that it could escape through it and simply fly. But where do you draw the line between, Hover, levitate and fly? Daleks could always hover, this was implicit in their first appearance where the floors were metal and they moved via magnetic lift. Their second appearance see atop stairs and not bothered by terrain. They were later seen to levitate. I also remember cut aways in annuals that showed the underside of the Dalek and it was metal domes like on the undersides of their saucers and they explicitly hovered/levitated. I too always assumed they could fly a little.

[@silverdaleks1]

I heard revelation of the daleks was actually meant to have a flying dalek which Orcinee would have wiped out with the retro machine gun with bastic heads, but due to the snow on the filming location they had to scrap it.

[@scwebb]

True this. The idea was to fire it vertically from an air cannon then have it explode when Orcini shoots it in the air. But because of conditions on the day Graeme Harper re-tooled it into a ground assault.

[@IAmPegasus]

@@scwebb that's a shame they couldn't do it but at least it they had the budget to do it. Be interesting to see what the effect would have looked like on screen. I believe they had a special casing prepared that could also break away to reveal the internal mutuant. I think there's about one blurred picture of this prop somewhere.

[@theentity5201]

I'd say the Dalek invasion of earth, that dalek coming out of the water must've had in built propulsion systems, they're occupying a devastated earth full of rubble gotta be able to fly for that one!

[@dalek907]

The dalek just on the ground underneath the water

[@theentity5201]

@@dalek907 theres too much debris though for it to smoothly glide in the thames

[@zabdielvanegas7397]

As mush as I like that we now know that Daleks are able to fly, it is very clear that the design of the creatures was not made for flying

[@spiralx6249]

While I loved the comic hovabouts, and that "Rememberance" cliffhanger was just wonderful, the easy flash-style CGI of NuWho leaves me cold. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should,

[@peterratter6603]

Being just a young'un at the time, I'd forgotten hovering Davros, until I saw a repeat of Revelation of the Daleks. But I do clearly remember that first cliffhanger from Remembrance, and passing metaphorical bricks.

[@ZachPatrickDevonshire]

Daleks being able to fly like they do in the new series i think makes them very OP but also under-utilised at the same time. Like even indoors they should just be flying as quick as i can IF they can. It would be better if they could all hover slowly up stairs but need a hoverbout to fly around the sky and space

[@mrjoe5292]

I suppose the best way to think about it would be that flight requires much more power, so travelling by gliding on the floor is preferred when flight isn't strictly necessary. I can also imagine the little blobs inside just prefer being on level ground. Poor darlings get airsick.

[@sambee8982]

I think that it's great to see the Daleks fly in the sky because it makes the Daleks even more scarier and threatening.

[@Xendiyatrix]

The straight up flying is way too much imo. Hovering is fine but if they’re going through the sky they should use hoverbouts.

[@alexthemtaandr211weatherfa2]

In official conclusion that the Imperial Daleks have a flight mechanism inside the casing

[@59rlmccormack]

If you see a Dalek fly, you’re pretty much screwed. Makes them threatening!

[@TylerPCoyne]

If you look closely at the top of the screen at 1:14 and 1:36 , you can see a wire attached to the top of the Dalek’s dome. I know this is probably a technical goof on set that they tried to hide (especially given the technology at the time), but if that was intentional, then that probably disqualifies the Dalek from this video, as it is simply being pulled up the lift rather than flying on its own.

[@paladinboyd1228]

I’m kinda in the mindset that Daleks should be able to hover to clear terrain and stairs but to fly proper they need a vehicle like in the older comics where daleks had hover platforms for flight and for boarding spaceships. As it makes the daleks overpowered to be able to fly with ease and shrug off bullets. Having some limitations made the daleks believable and didn’t force the writer into the corner of “the doctor does something smart” to defeat them.

[@Cyber_Smoke]

In the dalek invasion of earth it's kind of implied they can climb stairs it's not shown but when Babara and survivors run through London a Dalek is seen by the Bridge it looks at a staircase and moves forward.

[@timecontroller8800]

I think all dalek designs could hover up terrain its only the Later models that could properly fly and the classic daleks used transolar discs or hover-bouts to fly at great speeds

[@BEANBOYOBEANITH]

in the time lord victorius comics, the prime strategist i think has a skaro casing (tell me if im wrong) but the doctor says something along the lines of "they make casings that fly now" implying that daleks before the necros dalek could not fly.

[@plantainsame2049]

Yeah, but that's a dead planet casing they Are unable to even go on carpet He's lucky That he has his own power supply and isn't just trapped in the ship

[@BEANBOYOBEANITH]

@@plantainsame2049 but the point is that it is an old casing. and that casing is told to not be able to fly.

[@Adrian.frost57]

I distinctly remember Death to the Daleks mentioning the Dalek's move via psychokinesis. This was an explanation as to why they could move while the Tardis and anything electrical stopped functioning due to the city's power drain. Although that wasn't fully explored it was my head cannon that they floated due to telekinesis and if they could move a heavy Dalek casing with their minds they didn't need hands to build things etc.

[@Squid1562]

I like to think that the Dalek casing can fly, but not well. They can hover and elevate but can’t move particularly fast or nimbly. For faster more agile flight, they use hoverbouts. This is just my head canon tho

[@ItsButterBean1020]

This is my guess, I think only the Time War models managed proper speed and agility

[@JamesAHirons_]

Evolution of technology. Why shouldn't they integrate a gravitational disc as soon as they can refine one to fit? Who remembers the size of the original camcorders? Versus the tech we have in our cell phones now? Progression through the ages.

[@Redstar2613]

So just because of the poor effects used in Revalation of the Daleks, even though we know the Dalek was flying, you think it doesn't count? It was still shown to fly, the version with updated effects only prove it was the first episode to show a Dalek flying. Also, hovering and flying aren't the same thing. It's not being padantic because something that can hover can't necessarily fly.

[@dalekbumps]

Of course it doesn't count. The effects are so poor you can barely tell what's going on, let alone tell if the Dalek is flying. There's a reason why the Imperial Dalek being clearly shown to be able to fly in Remembrance was such a big deal for fans at the time, you have to factor in the real-world aspect of the discussion too. The updated effects do fix Revelation of the Daleks, but these didn't come out till 2005. So, the first clear and uncompromised depiction of Daleks flying beyond any reasonable doubt occurs in Remembrance of the Daleks. Also, the distinction between hovering and flying is a moot point - Daleks are always hovering, in fandom terms 'Dalek flight' is any time a Dalek is shown to be able to elevate itself clear of the ground and move around while doing so

[@themightybob]

I always think that the new series daleks flying just looks goofy, i wanna say weeeeeeeee as they wizz through the air

[@Eltonlaleham]

Daleks were able to fly on hoverbouts in the comic TV Century, 21 and that was awesome in billions of ways.

[@JakeandElwood1980]

I think the original dalek doesn't fly from the daleks

[@theevildalek5425]

Hey, these are all the examples I gave in that Community Post! Cool! 😃

[@Warriorx269]

Could you please make a lore video on how daleks move along the floor? I doubt they use human style wheels and instead use a set of ball wheels but I'm not entirely sure.

[@plantainsame2049]

They slightly hover

[@insomnibomb4830]

Imo it’s Revelation even though it isn’t super clear it’s enough to get the idea

[@rjjcms1]

Those Imperial Daleks time travelled to America in the 60s and swiped a load of Saturn 5 rocket fuel for the purpose. It was quite a heist.

[@dubstepzsi]

Remembrance of the Daleks at the end of episode 1 in 1988.

[@plantain.1739]

I think the fact that daleks can be nimble in the air is just... Weird. At that rate, just fly around everywhere. Maybe it just takes more power, or is only that nimble in low gravity environments (though I think that last point is just flat wrong.) but it really seems like they underutilized a very advanced mobility system this entire time. I feel like flying really should be used for mostly just stairs and basic mobility like that in general. Though, maybe certain daleks are given better hover technology so they can perform better in the air. A dalek air force if you will.

[@zombiedalekweck2243]

I have my opinions on how Daleks would fly and hover. I'll just set out my opinions on the Daleks model's and stuff.. because it is logical to assume the Daleks did develop their technology. So 60's Daleks in my opinion could not even hover, why? Well they do have Hoverbouts and show to have more of a reliance on the devices so that's my opinion on that, as they probably would not have hover if they could they just wouldn't have Hoverbouts, although you can argue for quicker transportation to which I cannot argue against, buuut! Elite Daleks, like the ones in the Chase would be equipped with prototype hovering devices helping the Dalek move above debris and get to their target easily, this is mainly as they'd be deployed on more key missions than the average Dalek grunt. Now with 70's Daleks I would say would have the ability to hover purely as Dalek technology would be advancing although this ability could be implemented on or off, hence why in Planet of the Daleks they weren't hovering. Yet flying would still not be an ability these Daleks could do. Now each 80's Dalek would be implemented with the ability to hover with some models, even being capable of some sort of flight. And finally the ability to do all of these in my opinion would be done by the Daleks just before the time war, mainly as I'm assuming the Empire of the Restoration or the Renegade version of it or some other Dalek unifier is probably the Daleks who would invented it.

[@OptimysticPessimyst]

I don’t see the polls sadly but I’m relieved because my answer would’ve been Remembrance and I was terrified I’d missed one 🤣🤣 forgot about the Dalek on the upper deck of the Mary Celeste too!

[@ViewpointProd]

The sands dalek in The Chiefs cannot fly, it is called a hover Dalek in the script

[@borusa32]

I prefer them to need Trans Solar disks (Hovabouts) to fly but I'm a TV21 , 1964 Dalek Book veteran.

[@plantainsame2049]

Then how the hell would they get up the stairs

[@GeorgeTheDinoGuy]

In my head canon the Daleks use wooden planks to get out of sand, not too far from the truth 😅

[@cameronjackson3344]

Remembers of the Daleks

[@MadMal2024]

It makes sense that at some point the Daleks would develop levitation and flying capabilities; after all any advantage that helps them achieve their aims has to be exploited for the Dalek cause. They are hampered to some extent by Davros's enforced "evolution" ; in as much as the creative side of their biological forms is suppressed. but not completely. there are examples; especially with The Cult of Skaro; where that side shows through. . SoAnd flying also gives them another advantage; one of instilling fear in an enemy. So yes; it was inevitable that someone wpould discover Daleks could fly... But were probably exterminated before they could pass the information on.

[@Foebane72]

Remembrance, no doubt about it whatsoever.

[@calvinfranklyn5499]

I like your videos, Dalek Bumps, but I have to disagree. I love the hovering in Remembrance of the Daleks, but I do distinguish it from flying. Maybe that's just me personally.

[@darransykes2540]

If I take enough drugs, anything can fly......lol

[@garym6315]

Its not pedantic at all. I think there's a big difference between hovering and flying. In story terms I am happy to accept that Daleks could always hover up stairs, and we aleays saw them on trans-solar discs in the comicw when they needed to actually fly. But the new series dropped that idea and said that they could all fly. Personally I think it looks ridiculous seeing them flying all over the place like it's a toy in the hands of a child...there needs ro be some weight to the effect like how they always remeained upright when hoverig or needing heavy equipment to actually fly.

[@10thdoctor15]

I still think it is the Dalek in Planet of the Daleks. They clearly have the anti-gravity technology, and are shown using it. The fact it isn't built into the casing doesn't matter, they are still shown flying.

[@jimmyhopkins3968]

So with that logic whenever I go on a plane on holiday I'm flying. Me I have the ability to fly ?

[@10thdoctor15]

@@jimmyhopkins3968 Yes. That's why people ask things like "Where are you flying from?"

[@darlig.ulv.bakhjerne]

Wouldn't that mean Dalek Invasion of Earth is technically the first? They fly around on trans-solar discs in that story

[@plantainsame2049]

@@jimmyhopkins3968 well darlex have never had the ability to fly they're always in their vehicles

[@plantainsame2049]

@@darlig.ulv.bakhjerne actually if I had a time machine I would make models of those ones and have them gliding around ruined Earth as one of my many changes to Doctor Who history as they actually have a bigger modified base the original one's definitely couldn't fly because they couldn't leave the floor