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[@smokinggnu6584]

So what you're sayin is, is that if we see any of those 5 being made into a video, we should start to worry?

[@1Grainer1]

those are the vids that everyone must avoid, so he wouldn't get the funds, so no bahamas, no retirement, back to the mines, children yearn for the mines!

[@ultimaxkom8728]

@@1Grainer1 Rocks and stones! Also let's chain Josh to a basement. Any volunteers?

[@1Grainer1]

@@ultimaxkom8728 Fumes and Pneumoconiosis brother! want to make uprising and create unique scenario where streamer and not audience is locked in the basement?

[@kagari1426]

I feel josh has already made these 5 videos, hes just waiting

[@MusicForMyDemons]

why did he liked this...hmmmm

[@gosonegr]

​@@MusicForMyDemonsI'm sure it's just because it's funny, not because they already made them at all...

[@candlestyx8517]

He liked the comment....hmmm 🤔

[@treemover7259]

Remember clips channel isnt directly ran by josh​@candlestyx8517

[@treemover7259]

Well the historical worst mmo ever for pre dalamud falling ff14 could be done but its been done a dozen times

[@metalhev3989]

"They're ready" That was a threat. You can hear blizzard employees skittering in panic already.

[@scorpiowarrior7841]

You should've seen warframe's response to their video.

[@Robstrap]

If there's one thing blizzard have, is polish in wow. Sure it has it's issues but imo there's a wow for everyone rn and they are all good for what they do. Retail for super hard raiding / pay to win / wotlk for similar to retail but with the nostalgia factor / classic wow for the classic experience/ and season of discovery for those who want classic+

[@Soulhope85]

JoshStrifeSaves is pretty smart with his ressources.

[@PrincessFelicie]

As long as he keeps this level of focus, he will never become JoshStrifeStrays

[@EnzoZambrotti]

For now he will keep being JoshStrifeStays

[@TheFrostedfirefly]

Gonna take this opportunity to drop how much I'd love a "Worst MMO Ever" for the games "Wakfu" and "Dofus" (in no particular order). Not because I dislike the games, in fact because of the opposite: I absolutely love the games, they both pretty much shaped my childhood. I'll fully admit though, that getting those games onto the series would not only point out clear well-deserved critique, but also likely be the best publicity the games have ever gotten for an audience outside of France because let's be real, Ankama really isn't trying that hard outside of the animated series.

[@PipPanoma]

The krosmos universe has got to be one of the biggest missed opportunities because it has every right to be globally popular but it just isn't. Nox in the cartoon is in my top 10 of animated antagonists and people barely even know of his existence.

[@zurcarak]

It would probably suck tho since Dofus was such a patch based game it was different every patch and doing it nowadays would probably suck. Like yourself i also grew up with it 15 years ago

[@TheFrostedfirefly]

@@PipPanoma Big agree. Ankama had something of a short spike in popularity when they released Wakfu to Steam, but because they were still taking time to patch things through, new players ended up leaving before anything felt ready for the wider audience. And yep, Nox 100% goes on that list for me, his special episode dedicated to his backstory felt so compelling.

[@TheFrostedfirefly]

@@zurcarak Dofus Classic does exist, but it's really difficult to actually get into those servers unfortunately. I wasn't actually aware of how much Dofus had changed gameplay-wise until about a year ago, it felt so different, I was surprised they bothered with "fixing" something that felt "fine" for so long, but now it's not even the same game I played 5 years ago let alone the game I played 15 years ago. But even though Wakfu's gone through a lot of changes too, it still feels familiar at it's core, so I'd still definitely like to see Josh cover that one in hopes it gets some eyes its way. I've not actually seen any big KZbinrs cover it, so it'd be interesting to say the least.

[@Wellshem]

@@PipPanoma Worst than that, Dofus Julith is one of the best animated movie i've seen but nobody know it exist

[@CecilXIX]

Shoutout to the guy who said "What about EVE?"

[@Prodzick]

The Ultimate Excel Simulator.

[@FenixFeniks]

I doubt Josh is willing to pay double the normal sub to play that game XD

[@forrrrestjohncave]

He saw Fredrik’s video and said… yeah that’s good enough.

[@Edzter]

he didn't mention maplestory in his emergency fund! It means it will happen eventually

[@yungruuku]

He said there's a very specific reason why maplestory hasn't happened yet. I think he's under contract from Nexon for some reason

[@powerplay9422]

Must also explain why Mabinogi hasn't happened yet@@yungruuku

[@persinitrix]

Considering the fact that the series focuses on the onboarding process with heavy emphasis on the new player experience, the videos could already be made. Its the end game content that changes, not the entry.

[@ChrisMorray]

WoW regularly re-does the entry as well though. I tried playing ~7 times, and it was a different experience every single time. The game has no clue what the start should be like.

[@arvidbergman]

​@ChrisMorray that's because blizzard doesn't seem to understand that the reason why WoW doesn't get any new players whatsoever isn't because the introduction is alienating, it's because the whole damn game is

[@weladravideos]

@@arvidbergmanWoW doesn’t get any new players because its a 20 year old game, pretty much anyone that would have interest in playing it has already tried it and stayed, or moved on. It’s kind of sad to say but if you are just now trying to get into WoW in the last 5 years; you missed the boat.

[@lemontop881]

So if we see those videos, that's a call for help.

[@zachariousmccool5768]

lol, you have said that before as well haha. I rather enjoy you focusing on other niche mmo's or truly bad ones to show why they can be bad, or when you accidently find one thats really good and deserves more attention.

[@SirDougDimmadome]

Not just one, but you could make a 'worst MMO' video based on every expansion and rate how well it was perceived and retained players at the time. You could have a whole series on it.

[@Meetskink]

Or alternatively, 25 hour video of his review of each one, ending with a tier list of them

[@matthewgagnon9426]

My hot take is that early Cataclysm, the first few weeks of it, absolutely ruled. Dungeons being difficult without having a timer to force a different style of play pressure was awesome.

[@kkjjqrysdgadff7782]

​@@matthewgagnon9426Cataclysm was a good expansion ruined by 2 things. 1. A few bad systems and 2. Players realizing WotLK had actually sucked and that bummer catching up to them.

[@kkjjqrysdgadff7782]

WoTLK had three absolutely horrible raid tiers and2 great raid tiers, horrible PVE experience outside of raids, and horribly broken PvP (DKs and hpals go brrrr)

[@josejuanandrade4439]

@@matthewgagnon9426 Cata was gold up untill Dragon Soul. And yet, in that patch, while we raid wasn't good, we got the 3 best dungeons of that expansion, some of which still rank top in my favorite dungeons list.

[@Alargator]

I look forward to seeing these a decade or two from now.

[@HandyHanderson]

When you see Worst MMO Ever, World of Warcraft.. You will know.. *_It's the END Times._*

[@Stroimex]

It's like Batman's contingency plan

[@matt_r.2510]

Don't threaten me with a good time sir.

[@Rick586]

The videos about obscure games are more interesting anyway. While I have no doubt that Josh could make very entertaining videos about the big MMO's, it's pretty easy to find discussions about their strengths and flaws because of how popular they are.

[@cantfindaname123421]

Thing is, the game is so objectively good compared to basically any other MMO that it'd break the name convention of the whole series. But yeah, as someone said, the new player experience is weird and definitely be critiqued.

[@Pandabrah_D]

After having playing wow on and off for many years, I've settled on the belief that most people who call wow trash are just looking for a reason to justify them quitting because they haven't found another mmo that scratches that itch (i.e. copium)

[@ANUBASS]

I played probably every other mmo before wow and after playing wow I realize how bad all the others are, especially scape which was my main mmo even the wow private servers are better than most legit mmos

[@gabrielwalker421]

What Blizzard has done to World of Warcraft over the years, is exactly the same as what George Lucas and Steven Spielberg did to Indiana Jones in that one South park episode

[@cattysplat]

Josh understands his power to kill MMOs is not to be wielded lightly. When the time comes, he will herald their ending with his video. Never forget TERA.

[@wwld9823]

truly the avengers endgame mmo episodes

[@Rascal1214]

"It's not done being the worst yet" Whoever said that in the chat is my hero

[@sickjoe9174]

Ya did Tree of Saviors, check out Ragnarok Online :D

[@charybdis1618033]

CCCMMO 71 was when the series peaked. They were getting there with CCCMMO 70, but it still didn't quite get there. They jumped the shark with 72, and tried to clean up the mess with the next two. Still, I'm looking forward to 75. I hear they're trying a different monetization scheme. Xgincode 5 should show up, too.

[@Byron804]

I think Josh doesn't want to make a video on these big MMOs because they already get so much coverage and people know so much about them, you don't really need Josh's verdict on them. And also because they are the biggest MMOs for a reason, they aren't even close to being "the worst MMO ever".

[@DemonicLemur]

"Worst MMO ever" is just a title for the series of videos at this point. The games he includes in the videos are not necessarily games he personally thinks are bad. For example he did the original guild wars and said that he enjoyed the game as an rpg just not as an mmo

[@Rincewindl]

i think you're reading a tiny bit too much into what he said, like sure, the idea of "worst mmo ever" IS to cover the worst mmo's he can find both as a 'hey dont play this' and as a legit review but he's also incredibly open and frank about basically EVERYTHING so i fully believe him when he says "yeah i would make these if i need cash" because i can imagine him doing it

[@ANUBASS]

not true tho, rav is literally the only good wow content creator and hes a league content creator on holiday in azeroth wow seriously lacks any good editors/videos and content since barney and pint don't release anymore

[@Lctl10]

The self awareness is off the scale

[@justhappy7269]

Add "Tibia" to this list.

[@suakeli]

There's an MMO named after shinbone?

[@justhappy7269]

@@suakeli Shocked? This game is even older than World of Warcraft - WoW was released in 2004, Tibia was released in 1997. Both still working to this day.

[@suakeli]

@@justhappy7269Cool, by why is it named after a bone?

[@justhappy7269]

@@suakeli Bruh, I don't know: "Tibia's development began in 1995 as a hobby project of German students Guido Lübke, Stephan Payer, Ulrich Schlott and Stephan Vogler under the name CIP Productions." Ask those guys :D

[@franciscobrisolladeoliveir9596]

I hope he's ready for the deluge of Brazilians in his video

[@loganbford9478]

I feel like for wow he really needs to do retail, classic, hardcore, and season of discovery so it could be a mini series almost because they're all so different its a disservice to just do the worst one which is retail

[@kerianhalcyon2769]

I'm looking forward to the Elder Scrolls Online one. It's an MMO that I used to play a lot and had praised for getting many things right, but ultimately after coming back again and again found that it really was kinda boring and repetitive. I'm very interested in seeing Josh's take on that.

[@jgon12]

Thats normal even final fantasy 14 is like that. They did change a few stuff with the past chapter and the new one with the story which introduced a new god never seen before which was actually really appealing to a lot of players and also the new spell craft system that is coming.

[@kerianhalcyon2769]

@@jgon12 Part of the problem I think might be content bloat...that and the community's been kind of crap since 2020 (though I won't specify why or what started it). It really doesn't help that a lot of modern MMO players play in such a way that encourages burnout, and then they wonder why their games are awful. Anytime I see someone asking in general chat "What's the right way to play the game?" I usually cut in past the people recommending powerleveling and go "Just play the game. Enjoy it as intended, because you'll just burn yourself out in a month if you play that way." I'm understandably probably the least popular person in general whenever I say things like that.

[@jgon12]

@@kerianhalcyon2769 I think people just burn out with chapters and content not being as good as summerset. Also your right with people trying to force other players do this and that like builds, how to play and powerleveling.

[@kerianhalcyon2769]

​@@jgon12 Yeah the Vvardenfell through Summerset series of expansions were actually really good (as well as the mini expansions with Clockwork and Murkmire). I've still got to go back and actively finish the content that I've bought, I've got up to West Skyrim, though I don't think I'll go further than that. Really I think the only reason why I play the game at all is because it actually functions and runs without game-breaking bugs...unlike a certain single player game they made that gets far, far too much attention and love for all the heartache it induces in people. *cough* Skyrim *cough*

[@croftmanor2k23]

He did do a 3 minute video on it talking about how he really wants to play, but things like the combat kill his wanting to play it.

[@Impuracle]

What about Black Desert?

[@Majextic]

I'm holding out for an Asheron's Call video, personally

[@AnthonyJClink]

I loved AC2

[@HeeminGaminStation]

you know what'd be interesting? the show "Recovery of an MMO Junkie" has a game fruits de mare... it isn't a main focus of the show but an element of it, it'd be cool for you to look at the show glean what you can from what they do show of the show and give your opinions on that.

[@Elit3Blaze]

As an Oldschool Runescape player I vote OSRS to be first of that line of vids to be released!

[@slnnful8735]

I can bet my balls that Josh have those 5 videos ready in a folder he named Bahamas Mamas, and 100 other videos of bad China produce in a folder named 9 to 5 !

[@kfk4441]

That would be awesome, I'm ready for Josh

[@unhingedcrouton]

I dont think josh already has the videos. But the scripts and reference media are 100% ready to go.

[@Saintlel]

At least we're being open with the grift

[@Kermitable]

KZbin algo recommended this to me after a long stint of not showing me Josh, so it works.

[@BKBK-yo1zz]

Idk if it was still in the shadowlands xpac then yeah i can see making a worst mmo video about it. But wow is doing pretty good right now and i feel like no matter how good it gets people will say its trash?

[@lyl14ghost]

I already made the title "Famous RPG 'sommelier' KZbin personality Josh Strife hints that he is planning to retire"

[@AndrewBrownK]

no Eve Online mention 😥

[@ahobo231]

Going to steal your drivers license and laugh at it

[@frorociousexpress]

i'd like to see him do a vid on Black Desert

[@reokado4783]

I'm surprised raid shadow legends wasn't in the top 5 with all the hype and ads it got back in 2020.

[@Gravewhisper]

Josh, you're a British indoor person. 2 weeks in the Bahamas' sun and you'd come running back. :D

[@ernestisom5878]

I never got the appeal of wow. Played it when it first came out than tried again when second expansion released, just never could get into it. Everyone I knew played it and hyped it up. I just stuck with playing FFXI alone with strangers. Only thing I enjoyed was going to the other factions location and killing people. The quests, mobs, and dungeons were just so bland and boring.

[@forrrrestjohncave]

Well… the game is a lot different now so you might actually like it lmao.

[@nikita1911001]

wow always had most responsive controls out of any mmo: the movement is precise, you character turns insantly and you can instantly start/stop running, even while mounted, abilities are all very responsive and reliable in use. its about as precise as an mmo can be, thing is... content to make use of such tight overall mechanics is kind of limited. or rather, it was limited, no more than to some heroic raids and a few hard endgame dungeons at a time, but the world revamp and the addition of mythic+ dungeons really expanded on the idea. hey, you even said it yourself - "going to other factions location and killing people was fun", and i agree - pvp was about the only thing to reliably make use of all the precision wow provides, which is why i immensely enjoy wow pvp even after being at it for twenty-something years.

[@sticky-soup]

I can't believe Josh killed 73 crappy Chinese cash grabbers and he's going onto 74th one... Someone needs to stop this madness!

[@vili-pekkavaltonen5943]

I bet he dont even wear the vest in that clip.

[@ilyakusenco8151]

I'm actually very interested on Guild Wars 2 video as a former GW2 player. On the surface, GW2 is basically the perfect MMO. Most of the problems GW2 has are very deep and can't be seen without big experience in game and months of forum dwelling

[@thecelsy186]

where my boi drakesang online :(

[@apog7414]

Hi Josh. Can you do a material on Tibia? It used to be massively popular in Latin America and Eastern Europe and now its a classic cash grab but still going strong.

[@Kumoriozora]

Would love to see some new influencers in ESO :)

[@advisingassable]

Future Old man JSH: "Ladies & Gentleman welcome to "Worst MMO ever?: the big 5" "The multi part review-retrospective of FF, ESO,RS,GW & WoW . This will be the finale to my video making career, " "Lets do this "

[@jamiemerian9736]

I love the honesty about it, ha

[@iwatchstuffs7933]

Josh have you heard of Nightcrows mmo?

[@louwrenshaasbroek3514]

Eve online. when you want 1000 spreedsheets to show you how you wrong?

[@Archtew]

I mean you did make 2 ESO "Should you play in X year" videos so I think that doesn't count ngl

[@elloneng7965]

I'D gladly subscribe if he puts those vid on his OF

[@laeven_]

I look forward to those 5 back to back worst MMO episodes

[@proudpatriot3491]

If you ever Worst MMO OSRS I'd cry. YOU got me addicted to this game with the video you made about it. Here I am 152/164 quest and one 99. I love this game

[@14maxhealth47]

I like this guy he sounds like Richard Hammond.

[@clareta3010]

I think you should do a fiesta online series

[@clareta3010]

Now that's where i will start to deeply worry

[@proffessorX]

That is a sound retirement plan.

[@weskey8385]

Better not let Arenanet see this clip; They might not sponsor another video if they know Josh likes the game AND is keeping it as emergency content.

[@DroppedMyMarbles]

he can do runescape twice, once for OSRS and once for RS3, my man's gonna be fucking loaded

[@Dreadheaad]

I'm still waiting for Worst MMO Ever Dekaron

[@VerbalLearning]

We don't know when they'll drop but when they do it will be an out of season april fool's joke.

[@FWpapo]

Rohan blood feud when?

[@RandomAutist]

I want him to do Maplestory and fucking DEMOLISH my favourite mmorpg.

[@user-jq1jo3fw3q]

I'm no WoW snob but...I'd be SUPER interested to see how you spin WoW as the worst mmo ever...when by every single metric available its quite the opposite. It's far from perfect and the company as a whole is in a downward spiral but...worst mmo ever? This is a joke right?

[@Afflictamine]

the most successful MMO of all time, no its definitely the worst MMO ever xD

[@kelvinzsheet3751]

Liked because you named all 5 of the greatest mmos i've played

[@Zack_Wildfire]

So in Simple terms his retirement is ether in 5 to 10 years.

[@Nareas]

But he did already Guild Wars 2 D:

[@danavo37925]

what about Final Fantasy 11?

[@mike2672]

Pro level content creator 😅

[@MrTripleM3]

Dunno how much you can bank on Guild Wars for this but yeah the rest seems like good money.

[@StoneBaller1]

not sure if this is blue balling or not

[@adigocrazy5314]

So all we have to do i not watch any videos of his till he is forced to bring us these videos?

[@aliren6118]

I particularly like the part you said Worst MMO Ever World of Warcraft.

[@bearlytamedmodels]

Didn't he already do Guild Wars 2?

[@Blaze87540]

Let's be real, if he made the video, he'll be the WoW killer, not these other Mmo's. RIP Tera, the game I never played.

[@KevsShwaShwa]

Realistically, looking at WoW being in worst MMO ever is ridiculous. No game has been alive longer and thriving like it currently is. BFA-Shadowlands was terrible. But we just saw the largest post launch sub growth ever in the games history. People can complain about it about why they think it sucks or maybe think it’s cool to hate on it but after looking into it… it’s simply not true. It’s a legendary game.

[@jimizify]

cope.

[@pumirya]

I’ve been wondering that myself. 👍🙂

[@SusSpooder]

Fair

[@Zadamanim]

Why does everyone want to know what the first few hours of WoW are like that badly? Hasn't everyone asking for it alreadt played it?

[@TheFrostedfirefly]

Some people just like to listen to game design analysis videos. They can be fun especially for those that might be interested in games design themselves.

[@Beardbarian46]

some Hardcore WoW simp will try to ruin your existence to grab that video after you said that =D

[@HarumiYu]

So there is a CHANCE for Final Fantasy XI.

[@MouseDestruction]

When will the worst MMO of the year top WoW?

[@BrenTenkage]

now what about runescape 3, old school runescape is of course awesome, but runescape 3...now thats an interesting one to talk bout

[@turkeyman631]

I know its not the best and I know Blizzard suck, but I still play WoW. Sunk cost fallacy baby! Nah, but I do enjoy it.

[@leshiq4214]

Oh, I'm disappointed. Your reasons not to do that sound like you'll never do it. And I'm actually waiting for it. Also waiting for Lineage2, Archage and BDO.

[@TheNameCannotBeFound]

*Outstanding.*

[@Masatakeshi]

Still no DFO thou Josh.

[@JediCore]

this man is smart

[@peheros_]

What about Ragnarok online brooooooo

[@UNGGodYT]

so you al heard guys, when josh decides it is enough, he wil unleash the doom videos, not a sily countdown to the final video with lame content on it.

[@clyj1596]

Star Trek Online?

[@M2Mil7er]

Lad's bricked up with a content money shot. Those vids will shoot out like a waxy spear.

[@effa7919]

🤨

[@MyNameIs8Ball]

🤨

[@NeuMaster9]

📸🤨

[@androsh9039]

What a terrible time to be literate.

[@vengeance8924]

you really should do that. cause im not coming here for anything else. this is bye bye mr nobody.

[@capitalnexus]

Wow has the worst story writers I have ever had the displeasure of having to pay for to suffer for