Pure and radiant...my head cannon shrives clean the hearts of men...
@iminyourwalls-gj3uc5 ай бұрын
There is nothing more terrifiying
@Stolice15 ай бұрын
@agtjake I have a question to your headcannon. What about Godwyn's body in the Deeproot depths? Does he have two bodies? And why is there no deathblight present in the mohgwyn's palace?
@TazKidNoah5 ай бұрын
i think Godwyn was experiment for Miquella to see if he could revive any soul with any body & until he arrived to Scadutree to see the only path but that's my theory
@lonelySires5 ай бұрын
It is time to let godwyn go, his soul is gone. Fia was his last chance, and we could not defend her, and we gave her killer his armor and weapon. So it is our fault.
@HeadChaos0.635 ай бұрын
What if the Lord brother miquellas resurrected is the body of Mogh the mind of Radahn and the soul of Godwyn? there are some things in game that imply that the soul and the mind are not entirely the same in elden ring. And when miquellas resurrected Radahn he really just created his vision of a perfect being that encompasses all. The might and interlect of Radahn, the accursed and the unloved raw culmination of the omen and the crucible of life with moghs body and the radiant nature of Godwyn the golden his companion he lost to destined death. Dunno tho I'm just throwing shit at the wall here
@Yazzieeee5 ай бұрын
Godwyn is honestly one of the most influential characters in the series. So many people take after him and it’s not just one group, but a plethora of individuals. And that is why he had to be the first to perish. He’s from the lineage of “the oppressors” so to speak, but even his enemies (mostly now turned allies) speak so highly of him. Wouldn’t be surprised if that’s where Miquella got inspired to “enchant” everyone. Only difference being that the love people had for Godwyn was actually real.
@XxBearZeusxX5 ай бұрын
Miquellas love is real, however that too, like a piece of flesh did get cast away.
@Dustpuma15 ай бұрын
Oppressors is a bad word to use you can apply it to anyone. but Yes he was basically Jesus of Elden ring
@Yazzieeee5 ай бұрын
@@Dustpuma1 I agree that’s not the best word, but tbh nearly everyone in Elden Ring (fromsoft in general) is not a “good person” unless they’re minor NPCs or people who just die early on.
@CreativeUsernameEh5 ай бұрын
I think Godwyn was a positive influence on young Miquella. In the Haligtree Statue, We see him sheltering the Twins, with Miquella gazing admirably up at him (differs from every other statue where the twins embrace) Strong and peaceful, Godwyn was the best. I’m so sad over what happened, and thr character assassination of Miquella.
@vitaliyred6225 ай бұрын
What if Ranni got charmed by Miquella to kill him, because unlike Miquella Godwyn’s love was not due to his magical charm but natural.
@sharptongue29725 ай бұрын
Godwyn's story will be revealed in the prequel, Young Ring.
@sasaki999pro5 ай бұрын
_Young Sheldon Ring_
@Vini-zv3lr5 ай бұрын
Youngin Ring
@Pyovali5 ай бұрын
Young Triangle
@0malleyAlleyc4t5 ай бұрын
21 and Older Ring
@flaflu1803995 ай бұрын
@@sasaki999pro *Young Ring, Sheldon of the Erdtreeory*
@Rick0555 ай бұрын
At this point Alive Godwin is as real as Bloodborne on PC lmao
@MatthewSoddy5 ай бұрын
It'll only happen when the fans make it happen. Lol
@Augmenti83235 ай бұрын
There is a common misconception about the curse that afflicts Kindly Miquella. He is not cursed with eternal youth, but with nascency. This means that nothing he starts will ever come to fruition. His Haligtree never grew to rival the Erd Tree, he never cured his sister Malenia, he never revived Godwyn, and he never ushered in his age of compassion. His eternal youth is merely a symioor of his inability to complete anything.
@meowtank4 ай бұрын
relatable...
@ayo_terrion4 ай бұрын
Whenever I read/write comments like this it bugs me how I don’t make videos for myself/others. Great breakdown on reading between the lines. Hope you have more insight on all the other bosses as well!
@BobbinRobbin7774 ай бұрын
Lil bro has that competitive procrastination.
@mansgotplans3 ай бұрын
Where in the game does it even say Miquella is cursed? With all due respect I can’t just believe allat even though it sounds good
@Augmenti83233 ай бұрын
@@mansgotplans Remembrance of Malenia, Goddess of Rot, hewn into the Erdtree. The power of its namesake can be unlocked by the Finger Reader. Alternatively, it can be used to gain a great bounty of runes. Miquella and Malenia are both the children of a single god. As such they are both Empyreans, but suffered afflictions from birth. One was cursed with eternal childhood, and the other harbored rot within.
@prod.a.b.i.l19305 ай бұрын
The "Lord brother, please die a true death" in the description for the Golden Epitaph is something that facinates me alot because it shows that Miquella loved his brother, so much so that he tried to cause the Eclipse to resurrect Godwyns soul and restore him to the person he was. The idea of killing Radahn, who held the stars back, to cause the Eclipse and eventually the resurrection of Godwyn was right there. The Haligtree has statues of Godwyn cradling his brother and sister so seeing Godwyns face in the Realm of Shadow along with 2 of his personal knights felt like we were getting a Godwyn resurrection alongside finally giving him the "True death" Miquella wanted to give him. Obviously that means we'd have to slay the now compassionless Miquella who lost himself to his desire for Godhood in an attempt to save his brother, but alas, that is a story for someone much smarter than me to come up with lol.
@lanxreedalenlum37065 ай бұрын
i figured thats why we had to kil rahdan too, miq want an eclispe, rhdans stopping it, right, kill him the eslcispe time, then save godwyn, then hopely, his beloved and loyal sister
@MrOctavian20124 ай бұрын
I think the true death is actually explained by Freyja, but it's esoteric; a true death seems to mean a death worthy of the dying, as in the person dying sees it as worthy. Godwyn' assassination and stabbed in the back vs Radhan's defeat in Caelid at a festival dedicated to him. Radhan NOT dying to Malenia wasn't part of the plan methinks, and Ranni used that part of the ritual to untether herself.
@JoseViktor40995 ай бұрын
Maybe the real Godwin were the friends we made along the way
@patches22215 ай бұрын
You mean all those people I murdered?
@baraldogrant5 ай бұрын
😂
@fitmcdeezy87785 ай бұрын
Lmao well said 😂I😂
@Daniel-bc5yq5 ай бұрын
And the SotE's best comment goes to...
@erikreber36955 ай бұрын
I've never seen this one before... Such an original and interesting comment!
@BlueOga5 ай бұрын
Fuse Mohg and Godwyn? Like.. Some kind of a Mohgwyn, huh?
@tuvergalarga61445 ай бұрын
Wait you cooked
@chopsandtoots5 ай бұрын
I do wonder if they made some last minute changes because idk man, this ending felt kinda off
@Glaine-nd8pk5 ай бұрын
@@chopsandtoots Graphically, consort Radahn looks off to me, so I think it was a "last minute" change.
@chopsandtoots5 ай бұрын
@@Glaine-nd8pk I'm a proud hater of how this DLC went lore wise lol. I'm almost annoyed that people are complaining about the difficulty when there's actual criticism to be had imo
@cherybum5 ай бұрын
this is like saying Melina and Malenia are supposed to be one cuz their names are similar. Do you know why their names are similar tho? Cuz they are siblings just like Godwyn and Mohgwyn
@dznnah5 ай бұрын
I heard someone say that Godwyn is like black mold. You have a dark place that's kinda humid and before you know it... there's a godwyn growing in the the corner.
@gamersthumb37235 ай бұрын
@@dznnah godwyn growing in the corner had me choke 😂😆😂
@pstrongman6025 ай бұрын
Explains why that one patch in my shower looked familiar
@spokoman235 ай бұрын
oh sh1t, my patch does have eyes!
@RandomPerson-qv1lh5 ай бұрын
Somehow I thought of resident evil black mold
@georgeb87815 ай бұрын
Seems to me Godwyn was the only progeny of Marika (not her Radagon side) to not be seemingly “cursed” at birth, likely resulting in the sort of mania that caused the shattering. “I finally had a perfect child, only for it to be ripped from me” sort of thing.
@buffoonustroglodytus46885 ай бұрын
Maybe godwyn was the only child she actually cared for.
@dmin57824 ай бұрын
@@buffoonustroglodytus4688 I think she cared for Messmer as well. I mean, he is likely her firstborn son.
@buffoonustroglodytus46884 ай бұрын
@@dmin5782 but she abandoned him in the shadow realm.
@dmin57824 ай бұрын
@@buffoonustroglodytus4688 Not necessarily mutually exclusive. Marika is still a terrible person and mother (understatement).
@tfranklin3 ай бұрын
@georgeb8781 Except Godwyn was conceived with Godfrey. There's also the theory that he was a merman in life. I feel like Marika's attitude toward the Crucible shifted at some point which lead to her betrayal of the hornsent, Godfrey's banishment, etc. It seems like Crucible aspects were accepted and even celebrated. There's some speculation that Marika was involved in the Night of Black Knives.
@Nicole_whatsgood5 ай бұрын
Miquella going insane trying and failing to resurrect Godwyn could’ve been great. Imagine the last boss is Miquella being like “Lord Brother… you’re finally home” and it’s just a giant writhing death root body you have to kill
@CreativeUsernameEh5 ай бұрын
That would have been way cooler. Godwyn’s curse corrupting Miquella despite his best intentions would be so tragic and could explain why there’s no new ending unlock. Instead we got radahn shoehorned in despite it not making any sense or having any set up, sote crapped the bed rigght before the finish line.
@sfcSpidey5 ай бұрын
And then it contaminates miquella becoming like an angel of death and the sky turning black could have been really good stuff I like the radahn fight I just don’t like the story
@Grimsly37365 ай бұрын
@@CreativeUsernameEhwell I mean the set up was the whole fight that happened in Calied no? But I do agree with you that it was still kinda shoehorned in but there was some set up but not enough especially when Godwyn had more
@TheLastDonaldYouMcRonald5 ай бұрын
That would have been so badass
@flying-magpie5 ай бұрын
It would have been so badass! We could have gotten "Godwyn the Soulless" but noo.....
@ShadowthePast5 ай бұрын
An important detail to note, the ring on Miquella's finger in the final cutscene appears to be the same ring on the withered arm (although it's slightly hard to tell without looking closely)
@shaunv36735 ай бұрын
I noticed that too myself. That ring sure got a lot bigger.
@ydkwil5 ай бұрын
It's a wedding band-placed on the ring finger of the right hand.
@timothyb18365 ай бұрын
It's a signet ring, meaning it bares his family's sigil ergo the exact same one Godwin would have. However that means that Godwin had a lord consort......
@KitsuneShapeShifter5 ай бұрын
@@timothyb1836 Must've been a Dragon lol
@royalsuperdrip5965 ай бұрын
I feel like the dlc leaves room for a part 2
@Grooviebones5 ай бұрын
According to Miyazaki, don't hold out hope. Its the only planned dlc
@kingk.d.m46205 ай бұрын
Definitely since the main game takes place in the lands between and the dlc is in the shadow realm there has to be another to make the lands between actually in between. There’s always the possibility of Marika having more children out there and Godwyn can play a role as well. There’s definitely more content for a dlc or elden ring 2
@MrDrProfesserAlex5 ай бұрын
@@Grooviebones he also said it was the size of limgrave. You’re probably right but I want to keep huffing the copium
@Diamond_24035 ай бұрын
@@kingk.d.m4620 There's a whole Land of Reeds with samurai and stuff that's constantly in Civil War. Maybe they can come up with something there?
@tz51165 ай бұрын
@@Diamond_2403 Bro, I get you but don't. If you follow that path, you could start will all FromSoftware titles.
@ThomasDSin5 ай бұрын
Okay, hear me out… You approach the gates of divinity for the final boss fight: You see that large imposing figure looming between the gates…and that long, golden hair starts to unfurl… You realize it’s Godwyn… As he steps down to engage you in combat, that’s when the blinding light shines down, and Miquella descends and drapes himself over Godwyn’s shoulders… Boom, right off the bat, you fight the brothers, together… As you wind them down to the second phase, the cut scene initiates… You’ve dealt serious blows to Godwyn’s fragile, newly resurrected form, which Miquella cannot aid anymore due to the damage he’s taken as well… Godwyn falls to his knees, and something starts to writhe under his skin… The Death Root starts to burst out of Godwyn’s flesh in a horrific explosion of gore and viscera… Despite his brother’s dearest intentions…this is the Prince of Death’s true, horrific form… This creature, this Prince of Death, is wild and chaotic, it lashes out, attacking both you AND Miquella… BOOM, second phase: You, Godwyn and Miquella all fight one another. Two boss health bars. Miquella and Godwyn. They can do damage to one another, as well as you, and whomever falls first has their power absorbed by the other (like O&S) BOOM! Third phase: You fight either a horrible, golden radiant death root squid monster, or a terrible tentacled Miquella. The final, long awaited buildup to a confrontation with the two golden gods, culminating in an epic three-phase fight.
@thalassaphobicseaturtle64425 ай бұрын
Low-key genius High-key potentially stoobid
@Apexapee5 ай бұрын
Man I would have loved this!
@kenobi6395 ай бұрын
Godwyn kills Miquella going from phase 1 to phase 2, as his death blighted body erupts into his true form: The fish faced prince of death; painting the entire sky black, threatening a potential cataclysm to both the land of shadow and the lands between, leaving our tarnished to clean up this God-forsaken abomination that once was Marika's perfect, golden child and now Miquella's apocalyptic monster of a brother he thought he could resurrect as his consort; now having been killed by him due to his own arrogance and pride What a twist!
@Dogtorant5 ай бұрын
Love it! but not the part when you have a fight 1v1v1 because people would cheese that fight easy. But maybe Godwyn would swallow Miquella? or Miquella will be an option to summon at 2rd phase?
@timezthecollector65595 ай бұрын
@@kenobi639 like it but seeing as Miquella is the most powerful of all demigods I highly doubt Godwyn could kill him
@RaymondMichaelBarrera5 ай бұрын
Seriously though, they truly robbed us of Godwyn in the DLC.
@mastercraython33725 ай бұрын
The site of grace in Mogh's arena is called "Cocoon of the Empyrean", and Miquella is an Empyrean while Godwyn was not. In souls games we can only trust in items descripcions and, in this case, locations or grace names. Still is fascinating that Mogh's palace is called Moghwyn...
@TheScrootch5 ай бұрын
Godwyn actually means "God friend", so I guess you could speculate that Mohgwyn means something like "Friends of Mohg". Like the loyalists in his dynasty-to-be
@shnorkeythefourth45725 ай бұрын
Moghwyn might be his full name, maybe he shortened it to Mogh to separate himself from his family more
@mastercraython33725 ай бұрын
@@TheScrootch I wasn't aware of this! It actually makes sense. I was thinking that Gwyn, like the Lord of Sunlight of Dark Souls 1, means holy, white, fair, bright and pure. All of words that can fit Miquella description, or Godwyn himself
@mastercraython33725 ай бұрын
@@shnorkeythefourth4572 You think? I mean, there are no items decriptions or dialogue...but i guess it can be true
@arkcantoscreampsnpc72745 ай бұрын
As stated above moghwyn is likely his full name and mogh the name he goes by, as all other beings in the marika family tree have 2 syllable names and fromsoft loves patterns in names like -> rykard ranni raduan / Godfrey Godwyn godefrey (Margot and mogh are omens so don’t get proper names cause marika)
@hypnoticskull63425 ай бұрын
Godwyn during Shadow of the Erdtree "Guess I'll do nothing."
@Rotten_Abyss5 ай бұрын
@@lovelylemonfactoryon Marika lol, people don’t realize that Godwyn’s soul is destroyed, you can’t be brought back from it.
@HasturTheKingInYellow5 ай бұрын
@@Rotten_Abyss All the more reason for Miquella to ascend to Godhood to bring it back anyhow were his mother failed.
@RR-oz9my5 ай бұрын
@@Rotten_Abyss they can create literally different ideas to bring him back, its not a big deal, its a fantasy anyway
@Struct.35 ай бұрын
@RR-oz9my The gods here are not omnipotent, and the rules of death seem pretty well defined. Marika went mad after his death, I'm sure if she had the power to she would have saved him.
I’m gonna start deathblighting people in PvP just for godwyn not being in the dlc
@blackmane19995 ай бұрын
😂
@JustAFatherlyNerd5 ай бұрын
Lmmfao
@angiesworld8038Ай бұрын
Good thing there's not a deathblight status effect for the player to use. It's too over powered.
@ShredPerspectivesWorks14 күн бұрын
The same here
@lizzykayOT75 ай бұрын
This makes all kinds of sense to me, Miquella was full on crazy and done with this world after Godwyn died, so he chose the next best option. In the final cutscene he's kneeling before an empty throne and his voice doesn't sound happy. He sounds like he's on the verge of tears and has decided to become a god - which he knows is just a golden cage. It's a self harming moment. The room is also dark, grey and empty. Apart from the throne. He wasn't speaking to Radahn, he's speaking to Godwyn. Their flesh being malleable also explains why Godwyn's corpse deformed that way, it grafted with non-human organisms. But the bits we find and all kind of boneless, so the corpse in Mogh's cocoon being Godwyn's skeleton is now my head-canon too!
@Skrighk5 ай бұрын
From an in universe explanation, I think this makes sense. From a development standpoint, I feel that our next DLC will focus fully on Godwyn, and that there was some real world meetings that happened after Vanilla launch that affected the DLCs trajectory.
@draw2death4215 ай бұрын
Miyazaki confirmed theres no 2nd dlc for elden ring so...
@AlexBaldivino965 ай бұрын
But if Godwyn is inside the cocoon, then what is that malformed, withered corpse within the place where we fought Lichdragon Fortissax? Doing the Age of Duskborn questline all the more confirms that “thing” is Godwyn himself.
@Nomadtheus5 ай бұрын
@@AlexBaldivino96 it could be a fully grown surrogate corpse.
@Just_B0red5 ай бұрын
Maybe they are failed Godwyn expetiments? Like Fia took warmth of champions and gave it so something idk, in order to bring Godwyn back, but each of those "Fish monsters" is a failed attempt to bring him back to life? I still think that Corpse being guarded by Fortissax is Gowdyn, or at least the OG body, but who knows.
@ahkosorsomesaykosby99995 ай бұрын
@@fluffycarrot42the cocoon contains Miquella unless the site of grace name, leda, the button prompts, Malenia bossroom, and the Miquella simos are all lying/misleading us
@Calvin_Coolage5 ай бұрын
@@fluffycarrot42 But that doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Godwyn's soul is gone.
@HolyAbomination5 ай бұрын
@@Calvin_Coolage but where do dead souls go?
@MarcellusMaize5 ай бұрын
Given everything we learn about Marika in this dlc, I actually like the fact that Godwyn stays “dead” because it adds more narrative weight to his death. Even after ascending to Godhood, Marika was still powerless to escape the plights of her past life. 2 of her kids were born with the exact same features of the people who she despised, and her one perfect golden son was killed despite her removing the rune of death in order to avoid anyone close to her dying ever again. It makes Marika feel a lot more human and tragic now (even if she is still a horrible person overall).
@chopsandtoots5 ай бұрын
Well even if they found a way to resurrect him, Marika isn't really around to see that anyway thanks to us lol
@omgroflgamer20105 ай бұрын
We know from trailers and item descriptions that the shattering, aswell as the shattering wars, happened soon after Godwyn's death. I think Godwyn's death in soul only clashed with the rules Marika set upon her new world. That is why Godwyn's body is spreading uncontrollably, like a bug causing errors in a program. Her world cannot compute how and why this happened, as Death was not meant to be. Especially in soul only. It's as you said. Marika, avoiding the loss of her loved ones, removed the rune of death from the elden ring. But when, despite all she had done to achieve this, becoming a god and changing the rules of the world, her golden son died, she shattered the elden ring. Clearly the world wasn't perfect. She was in the process of flipping the table, breaking it all, when Radagon and the Greater WIll restrained her. So she set up her children to duke it out, collect all runes and take her place. Who ever couldn't achieve that goal would become a stepping stone for the one who does
@riotguards5 ай бұрын
It feels weird in that FROM felt as if Radahn would be considered special like Gwyn or king vendrick is in dark souls, like the end game boss was revealed to be Radahn instead of the more impactful than the literal focal point of all the events in the game. Like the fight could start with a Godwyns perfected body and he has radagans but perfected combos but the second phase has his body corrupted by destined death, the rune springing out of his back and a panicking Miquella coming out panicking trying to calm him down before accidentally getting absorbed akira style into Godwyn who transforms into a full fledge lord of death It would be far more tragic in that all the sacrfices he made to revive his beloved brother, all the atrocities all amounted to nothing but his own death. But sadly we just get Radahn 2.0 and then phase 2 radahn 2.5 epilepsy mode
@Foatizenknechtl5 ай бұрын
@@chopsandtoots actually not true
@demsterclippy42525 ай бұрын
I understand godwyn staying dead... i still wish i saw the damn thing animate and fight me though. I want to see more of the prince of death. And we didn't get it.
@milkshakescigarettes75135 ай бұрын
There's no discussion to be had here: Patches is Miyazaki.
@ijustreview5 ай бұрын
Bravo Michael Wazowski
@spencar6665 ай бұрын
Tears for miquella and tears for radahn, aye aye aye
@summe.R5 ай бұрын
Shadow Realm is heavily connected to Those Who Live In Death and Godwyn, the death knight armor found states something like they were once protectors of Godwyn and were waiting for the age of duskborn, and since that’s the ending we can get with Fias quest line there’s no denying that. along with the isolated towers message, it mentions all in death end up here, only to be suppressed….. they all end up back to the Erdtree, and if not then they’ve become Those Who Live In Death… all of this said, I think it all connects somehow but not sure the details.
@yharnamiyhill7875 ай бұрын
Based on the DLC and the nature of Numen's ability to merge, (aka: grafting), I speculate that Godwyn the Golden is also a Grafter. (His original corpse has a fish tail, and clam head.) This would make sense because Godefroy and Godrick practices grafting religiously. This might be the reason as to why Ranni and/or Marika targeted Godwyn to be slain. His corpse would be grafted to the roots of the ErdTree, poisoning it. The ErdTree would be poisoned with Death via root system; Marika smashes the Elden Ring; orders her children to fight for supremacy instead of uniting to mend the Ring; and had the Tarnish come back to also participate in the Shattering. It was all to annihilate rebel against Golden Order and the Elden Beast.
@animeproblem10705 ай бұрын
Godwyn being gone makes sense to me story wise he represents the literal golden child the perfect ideal of the golden order and with his death the dark depravity of the order is revealed resurrecting him would undo the thematic nature of that story
@mikeekim85675 ай бұрын
actually insightful comment for someone with an anime profile picture
@eldenanchor81795 ай бұрын
While I agree with your thoughts about Godwyn, I think resurrecting him and using his soul/body would further emphasise the depths of depravity the current order has sunk to. Turning the prodigal son against the order itself.
@HasturTheKingInYellow5 ай бұрын
It would make sense if Miquella did all this to bring him back because of that. Radahn does not make any sense.
@animeproblem10705 ай бұрын
@@eldenanchor8179 yet that would go against the indisidious nature the game is trying to show you that Miquella has instead it would almost be just making him directly and unquestionably irredeemable where the more you look at it the point is that his darkness is hidden between the layers never directly shown just implied
@cool23145 ай бұрын
@eldenanchor8179 miquella is not part of the Golden order and abandoned it so him resurrecting godwyn would not really work
@cool23145 ай бұрын
Lol if shadow of the erdtree had a revelation that our tarnished character was a Reborn godwyn running around that would be hilarious.
@zarenboug54105 ай бұрын
I wouldn't mind that at all tbh. Recently, I watched a lore video that mentioned something interesting. When the cutscene plays where the Tarnished first receives their grace, you can actually hear the sounds of a walking mausoleum in the background. So might be plausible in a perfect world.
@jacquesbonhomme81985 ай бұрын
I’m adopting this headcanon, thanks
@CM-hx5dp5 ай бұрын
@@zarenboug5410 the tarnished is probably not godwyn (where did our body come from if we're godwyn?) but they might be one of the other soulless demigods
@cool23145 ай бұрын
@@CM-hx5dp well you can transfer souls into new bodies and the game does not say it was destroyed only that it died so its possible some could recover godwyns soul and put it in a new body
@TheDaveisNope5 ай бұрын
Thats the lore of my tarnished tbh xD
@1Artorias15 ай бұрын
No miqlester ending sitting in your lap on the throne , missed opportunity
@Huarrnarg5 ай бұрын
No boywife for us Elden lords. The Greater Will has truly abandoned us.
@easytiger65705 ай бұрын
We have been forsaken
@wellplayed60615 ай бұрын
I brought seluvis' amber draught into the dlc with ill intent.
@HaruSān-e4v5 ай бұрын
@@wellplayed6061 elden groomer
@knavenformed94365 ай бұрын
@@HaruSān-e4v But but but Miquella is a 4000 year old Empyrean, that doesn't count!
@movespammerguyteam7colors5 ай бұрын
Eh, the problem is that we encounter the literally soulless body of Godwyn. He has become and is the source of all Deathroot in The Lands Between even reaching Farum Azula which is literally floating in the sky. The Golden Epitaph sword appears to have been created solely to permanently kill Those Who Live in Death. It seems Miquella changed who he was attempting to “Frankenstein” together because Radahn’s presence literally halts the movement of ALL THE STARS, including the sun and moon to create an Eclipse.
@echidnaburger025 ай бұрын
One of the main things the death knights confirm at least to me, is that Goldwyn most likely used some sort of axe to fight, like his father
@spencerharmon6815 ай бұрын
With Torent being afraid of the Abyssal Woods, I get the feeling that a spiritual death has no return where, with a physical death, the spirit can live on.
@Alex-bw6yd5 ай бұрын
Well we know this is true from what I hear we’ve seen. Godwyn can’t be resurrected and his body festers and rots because it continues to live without a soul, stagnating. And both Ranni and Radahn (who experienced physical death) were able to have their souls placed into a vessel and remain themselves.
@rodrigoa.m35665 ай бұрын
@@spencerharmon681 Isn't Torrent afraid of the Abyssal Woods as a bit of foreshadowing for the presence of Frenzied Flame, from Midra?
@omgroflgamer20105 ай бұрын
@@rodrigoa.m3566 makes sense. Especially as all that remains in the lord of frenzied flame ending is a crumbling, destroyed ring (we use to summon Torrent) that Melina picks up. You can hear Torrent cry out in pain. The frenzied flame burns all live away. I guess that also includes spirits
@arealhumanbean30585 ай бұрын
@@omgroflgamer2010 An item description in the DLC confirms the Frenzy Flame burns even spirits, which is why the hornsent also despised it
@launchbase49445 ай бұрын
yeah...? don't we know that literally because of the night of black knives to begin with?
@quis97955 ай бұрын
Bro should've just used rick, God's soldier.
@azureascendant9945 ай бұрын
Or Patches.
@_oracle5 ай бұрын
Unironically it would've been better as a final boss, rather than the bs shit show epileptic modded ass goofy second phase radhan we got
@bleeem5 ай бұрын
@@_oracle pure salt
@zeko34215 ай бұрын
@@_oracle lol
@Midnitethorn5 ай бұрын
Agreed. Miquella must have missed the ghost pointing to the tutorial area
@colinwilhite82415 ай бұрын
Thoughts on Miquella wanting Godwyn originally and Ranni foiling that plan by picking him to be the sacrifice for her plot?
@ammonohran95345 ай бұрын
Makes perfect sense tbh
@clockwork89685 ай бұрын
Everyone wanted to stick stuff into poor godwyn... he got lucky it was just a really evil knife
@Castl3_5 ай бұрын
That's the first thought that popped in my head too.
@vergilvonkarma5 ай бұрын
that seems very plausible
@TheRealJohnux5 ай бұрын
I believe in Miquella actually contributing to The Murder of Godwyn by stealing destined death for Ranni.
@xItachii5 ай бұрын
None of the dlc made sense to me until I watched this video. Best explanation I’ve yet to see. Good work piecing it together!
@5purg5 ай бұрын
Ansbach was the one who removed Miquella from the cocoon. It's was confirm by Leda. It happened when ansbach challenged Miquella but was charmed. After that it was him who removed Miquella from the cocoon not mogh.
@sametekiz37095 ай бұрын
Ansbach is the goat.
@cy9nvs5 ай бұрын
I still think it would've been much a much more interesting ending for Godwyn to be Miquelas consort. Got a new body for him in the form of Mohg, some magic shenanigans to bring back Godwyns soul, and BAM. I honestly don't know how to feel about Radahn being the consort and there being very little new information about Godwyn.
@chrismurphy21195 ай бұрын
@@cy9nvs I was really really hoping to see him as the last boss
@Verbmo5 ай бұрын
Godwyn aside rahdan as the final boss is lame.. You literally had to fight him to access the DLC
@JonatanSHOW15 ай бұрын
Got a new body for "HIM" him is gone! His soul is gone and there is no one to bring back...
@JoseViktor40995 ай бұрын
Me too man. I wont complain for what we have (although a little Nerf would be nice) , but yes, I consider the Godwin backstory with the most potential to have a Huge conclusion, like using Part of its Soulless body to make a better consort and use new attacks or something like that.
@Zapdos975 ай бұрын
Some magic shenanigans bringing his soul back would make destined death look weak.
@HasturTheKingInYellow5 ай бұрын
Then the Prince of death ending would make 0 sense if Godwin is in the cocoon because Fia gives birth to the rune after she laid beside the corpse in the eternal city.
@beekai62735 ай бұрын
She didn’t just lay, she got pregnant by it and the tarnished 😂 weirdly
@varsedo5 ай бұрын
@@beekai6273 she better hope her plan works or she’ll birth some undead fish baby of death
@vermidian_5 ай бұрын
@@HasturTheKingInYellow But also, Goldmask synthesizes his own rune. And rune bears contain some element of runes, be they found or not. I think whatever runes are in the metaphysics is a bit less corporeal and seems more connected to the realm of thought and intention and character.
@Marikus_Eternal5 ай бұрын
@@varsedoshe birthed the Mending Rune of the Death Prince. And that Rune is literally Godwyn reincarnated.
@Mario-SunshineGalaxy645 ай бұрын
The body in the egg can’t be Godwyn, the Site of Grace is called the Cocoon of the Empyrean and Godwyn wasn’t an Empyrean. Maybe like Godwyn, Miquella could’ve created multiple bodies. Also people saying that with Godwyn dead in soul it would've been impossible for him to be Miquella’s consort of something but this is Elden Ring, surely there could've been some work around in a game where souls can be transferred and the concept of death itself can be removed from the world and a rune can be made from a harlot coupling with a corpse.
@darkmatter694205 ай бұрын
Coccoon and body are two different words. The coccoon came from the haligtree. The haligtree is miquella's. Therefore. Its his coccoon. But that doesnt mean he is in it. Why would his body grow 10X in size and go from looking from a teenager to a skinned giant margit? Makes no sense. The body in the coccoon also has bleeding from a wound on his back. And a huge scar starting on his spine. Where godwyn was stabbed. "Surely there could've been some workaround" no. There couldnt be. The rune of death is permanent death. Its literally baked into the core of the story. Godwyn was killed by that rune. Its true death. We need the rune to kill the elden beast/radagon or else they'd just keep reviving to fight again just like you do. No workarounds are possible.
@MyNameIsJaxon4 ай бұрын
@@darkmatter69420 the lore says miquella was using the haligtree to overcome his curse of youth. That’s why he big
@Jaymetal955 ай бұрын
I don’t know if this holds up but I think that Godwin could have been Miquella’s original choice for a consort, but after trying and failing to resurrect him, decided on Radahn as a consort instead
@chrishewitt77674 ай бұрын
I had assumed that the arm was Miquella’s missing arm from the final boss fight, but they don’t align. The cocoon arm is a right (dextral) arm and the arm missing in the Promised Consort fight is his left (sinistral). It’s possible they just fucked up (and it wouldn’t’ be the first time, the DLC timeline is a mess) but it’d be a pretty big fuck up.
@ShardofWant5 ай бұрын
Watch bonfires video of Miquellas face reveal he’s wearing the same ring as his corpse in Mohgwyn palace. It’s weird to have that detail on his model in the cutscene you can’t even see. The body inside is the same as the other soulless demigods, so it’s possible castle sol was never talking about Godwyn and he just ended up using one of his bastard brothers bodies.
@adammorin-q8d5 ай бұрын
One. I went to check videos compared the ring they look the same but their slightly different which could mean that all the demi gods got a similar ring. Two. Rahdan isnt Miquella's brother.
@ShardofWant5 ай бұрын
@@adammorin-q8d you gotta be stupid because Rahdahn and Miquella have the same father idiot. Rennala and Radagon had Rahdahn, and Radagon had Miquella with himself Marika. Like even without it being directly stated Rykard Ranni and Rahdahns thrones are all next to each other so you should know they’re all Radagon’s kids. All of the Demigods besides Godfrey’s kids are all at least half siblings. Also you know Miquella says lord brother at long last your returned as he arrives to ride on his brother back.
@dragonch0ch0ch065 ай бұрын
@@adammorin-q8d yes he is they have the same father (radagon).
@adammorin-q8d5 ай бұрын
@@dragonch0ch0ch06 "father"
@GabrielAraújocoelho-t4c5 ай бұрын
@@adammorin-q8d father
@konger60695 ай бұрын
The site of grace in mohgs arena is called "Cocoon of the Empyrean" Unless theres something in the game that hints to Godwyn being or possibly becoming an Empyrean, it has to be miquella
@konger60695 ай бұрын
and if the body in the cocoon is Godwyn then what the hell is the monster in Deeproot depths
@myztiklee5 ай бұрын
That Monster 😂
@k077er05 ай бұрын
The cocoon is Miquellas, as shown in the intro cinematic. But that doesnt necessarily discredit the possibility that after Miquella was ripped out of it, a new body could've been put inside of it, you could still call it the "Cocoon of the Empyrean" because one resided in it initially.
@pingcrimson68545 ай бұрын
@@konger6069 i feel like the grace name could be taken in a literal sense, it is definitely the ‘Cocoon of the Empyrean’, since it was Miquella’s to begin with, but with miquella’s self not actually being in it, you can potentially fit the idea that the body within the cocoon was replaced as a way to go between realms, allowing miquella to go within the realm himself
@MikaMikaWhatever5 ай бұрын
I'm interpreting it as the cocoon was made by Miquella but didn't have Miquella inside it. Mogh and his siblings didn't seem to know that Miquella wanted to revive Godwyn, only his followers in Castle Sol did.
@korgclips8685 ай бұрын
This is a cool theory but what about the giant aquatic corpse at the roots of the erdtree that has a resemblance to Godwyn and it would make sense that it’s his corpse seeing as the deathblight radiates from it & in Fia’s questline she literally lays with this monstrosity to “Give new life to the prince of death” unless the small body in the cocoon is a cadaver of some sorts; but that wouldn’tmake sense seeing as Godwyn’s actual surrogate cadavers look more like the monstrosity we find at the roots of the erdtree. Although thematically it does make sense to have the prince of death act as a gateway to a land that almost acts like an afterlife I just can’t wrap my brain around the withered body in the cocoon being Godwyn because his body is supposed to still be growing (as seen with the aquatic looking corpse) acting as the source of deathroot/undeath but that can only be done if he’s still contaminating the roots of the erdtree, the body in the cocoon looks like a completely empty husk devoid in both body & spirit which contradicts Godwyn’s state as a soulless living being that has grown into a biomass/hive mind spreading undeath to every corner; maybe Miquella tried recreating Godwyn’s old body in its previous state but the cocoon could only reform his body because his soul was already long Shattered. If It’s a recreation of Godwyn’s body that ultimately failed to rebirth him in full that that’s fine but if it’s his original body than that undoes the point of Fia’s questline & if so what exactly is that aquatic eldritch horror under Lyndell that so many inside & outside of the game claim to be what remains of Godwyn.
@kallitass21665 ай бұрын
Just had thought that would maybe support ur theory cause if u think about it the place where u find both mogh and the cocoon that transports u in to the shadow realm is the Mohgwyn Palace so it would make sense that the the body is actually godwyns and reason for mough say that he wants the moghwyn dynasty
@tyrant-zero5 ай бұрын
Sir Gideon Ofnir confirms that its indeed Miquella inside the cocoon. He even says that it would be better to destroy it.... Good theory but... lore...
@MikaMikaWhatever5 ай бұрын
Gideon also says that a tarnished can't be Elden Lord, but he was wrong. I feel like Godwyn was originally going to be Miquella's consort in the drafts of the story but the idea of reviving a soul killed by Destined Death would make removing Rune of Death irrelevant as Marika could just revive her children through some other means
@cool23145 ай бұрын
@MikaMikaWhatever Gideon says that because he believes personally that tarnished should not become elden lord beacuse Marika wants the tarnished to suffer and not that the tarnished can't physically become elden lord. But you are right that bringing back godwyn would make destined death lore irrelevant
@LunaRyuu5 ай бұрын
You, the Tarnished, are the one that tells Gideon about Miquella's whereabouts. He's going off what the player character tells him. He cant "confirm" anything because the info comes from YOU
@eritas43305 ай бұрын
@@LunaRyuu you digging way to deep for this stuff. It’s said by literally the all knowing, the person you go to for info. Plus fia’s entire questline just disproves this theory entirely, you can also quite clearly see that Godwyns body is wearing the exact same clothes we see in the opening cutscene.
@draw2death4215 ай бұрын
Tbf gideon also calls Mohg a Lunatic but turns out Mohg was mind controlled.
@quietone26745 ай бұрын
I don't know. In the Duskborn ending I thought it looked like Marika's body turned male, but kept the golden hair, which I took to meaning that Fia had successfully rebirthed Godwyn and that he was the new vessel of the Elden Ring in that ending.
@Yking20775 ай бұрын
I hope Godwin at least shows up in Elden Ring 2.
@milkshakescigarettes75135 ай бұрын
"Zanziwyn, forgive me."
@GabagoolGang5 ай бұрын
Elden Ring is a one off, we may get another DLC but not another sequel
@chiyue56765 ай бұрын
@@GabagoolGang this DLC was originally planned to be multiple DLC releases. Miyazaki himself has confirmed that he does not plan to do anything more with the Elden Ring IP
@bleeem5 ай бұрын
How? the mf is dead as it gets, souls is nowhere to be seen, his body is so corrput its part of the world. unless we travel back in time we will never see him
@GabrielAraújocoelho-t4c5 ай бұрын
@@bleeemtime travel is a valid possibility because of farum azula soo...
@Catahto5 ай бұрын
I honestly like the idea of Godwin being in the cocoon. It would make sense for miquella to take his body to castle sol and then the haligtree
@bigmackstar13 күн бұрын
It wouldn't make sense because his body can already be seen in person at the erdtree roots.
@OBS3RV3R5 ай бұрын
I dont know if anyone else noticed it but there is also a 3rd godwyn corspe/cadaver thingies in the Jagged Peak near the area where you fight the first Jagged Peak Drake and it is half broken. I havent seen anyone talk about that and only just the two death knight catacombs
@MowDestroyer5 ай бұрын
prolly why the death knights guarding godwyn's dead body have a sun ornament as there headwear
@mihir20775 ай бұрын
"Sooooo everything seems to point towards Godwyn's resurrection and him as the final boss?" Fromsoft: Promised Consort Radahn
@skinnytimmy15 ай бұрын
😂😂
@mitch59445 ай бұрын
To be fair radahn makes sense with the lore since miquella admired him as a warrior growing up and always wanted him as a consort.
@TheShadowOfHumanity4 ай бұрын
Before the dlc where are you getting the idea that he wanted Radahn as a consort? No item description or ingame text ever refers to that until the dlc retcons.
@mr.kingdice91274 ай бұрын
@@TheShadowOfHumanity exactly, without the DLC, there's not a hint or a clue that Radahn was the one Miquella wanted. Almost everyone that played ER that I know personally were hoping for Godwyn as a boss, Gloam Eyed Queen, the Godskins, more about the Crucible and the Ancient Spirits, like damn, sooo much potential for more.
@SunWarriorSolaire3 ай бұрын
@@TheShadowOfHumanityradahns and mohgs bodies are the only demigod boss bodies that dont appear and malenia whispers to radahn in a trailer
@RipTronx5 ай бұрын
We need Godwyn and Gloom Eyed Queen in a second DLC. They HAVE to give us more, there stories just can’t end on nothingness..
@CM-hx5dp5 ай бұрын
The Gloam eyed queen is a footnote, Marika ganked her ass ages ago and she is gone. Godwyn is the prince of death now, the original being called Godwyn is dead as hell.
@crusaderpenguin53265 ай бұрын
“They HAVE to give us more on the characters who were defeated by the time our story begun!” Lmao why would they do that? These characters are footnotes in the larger plot.
@darkmatter694205 ай бұрын
GEQ is a nothing burger and godwyn literally has his own ending in fia's questline.
@AmygdalasBalls5 ай бұрын
@@darkmatter69420 nothing burger why? lol
@darkmatter694205 ай бұрын
@AmygdalasBalls GEQ and the godskin apostles served destined death, maliketh defeated them and sealed away destined death. Which in turn stripped them of their overwhelming power. Their black flame was once the most formidable force in the lands between. The GEQ would require us to somehow relinquish destined death to her for her power to return. Until then, even if she is alive, she's not powerful enough to do anything. Technically if she did get destined death, then lore-wise she'd be more powerful than anyone else, as thats why it was sealed away in the first place. There's lots of history in these games that is added to make the world feel more alive. But cannot be expanded upon without extreme measures. Like a whole DLC. Badlands, land of reeds, the dragon god placidusax served under as the dragon lord in the once-thriving farum azula, GEQ, etc. There's so many routes that they can take the story. And some just have to be left to history. That's at least my take on it all. The GEQ return essentially means her trying to kill all gods. But you're the only one left, and it requires you to give up your most prominent feature, destined death. Why would you give her that ability just so you can take it back in a boss-fight?
@myztiklee5 ай бұрын
10:29 Basilisks eyes have eclipses… nice 😏
@Real_badda5 ай бұрын
THANK YOU for asking the question Ive wanted some one else to say bruuuhh Where's Godwyn's Soul, where is Miquella's & Milania's shadow & now that Marika is a "Shaman Saint'ess" what was the connection between the Shaman Saints & the Numen (like in the main game its implied Marika had a major connection with the Numen, now that its been revealed she was a Shaman what is the connection between all of the Shaman like where they refugee's who left the shadow lands and lived with the Numen & are the Alabaster lords & The Numen Aliens like Astel & the falling Star Beast ...... and last but not least who or what are Marika's Parents and how is Maliketh her brother like is it really a metaphor of a "Shadow") ..... 1 last last note though why wasnt Melina in the Dlc and are Miquella & Melina the same person (Radagon King consort to Queen Melina who would have been Miquella's feminine version) like Radagon & Marika and are they just Mimic's made flesh ..... ok serious 1 more are the Walking Mausoleums filled with Marika's kids and is the Tarnished one of them
@NeronActivations4 ай бұрын
The way i interpreted the dlc and the final boss was that Miquella first wanted to make Godwyn his consort, attempting to bring him back but ultimately failing, so he settled with Radahn, who was strong enough to keep the throne and kind enough for Miquella’s age, i would also like to believe that Godwyn was a better candidate that Radahn in both heart and strength (Radahn is only called the strongest during the shattering), in order for this theory to work the end cutscene of the dlc must occur during the shattering,this would give us a reason Malenia and Radahn fought and her line “Miquella awaits thee, promised consort” i believe proves this. P.s this might also give us a reason Radahn rejected the offer, Miquella’s age would have no war :)
@ChiraqGoblin5 ай бұрын
I really want to fight this Enemy as a Boss I just like how unsettling the Look is ,0:12 just imagine turning around and seeing this staring at you 💀
@ensigur5 ай бұрын
something i’ve been thinking about is that ranni killed godwyn’s soul so she could kill her body and be free of the greater will’s influence. But the mother of fingers lore reveals that the greater will had stopped contacting the world since before marika’s ascension. so does that mean Ranni “killed” godwyn for nothing?
@Jaymetal955 ай бұрын
Interesting thought, honestly yeah probably. Ranni didn’t and couldn’t have known better though unless she somehow knew that the fingers were spreading good ol misinformation
@Eyecyou645 ай бұрын
It's more that she wanted to shed her body and not her soul
@KingScxr5 ай бұрын
Instant notification click, this has been the question on my mind since I completed the dlc
@RandomPerson-qv1lh5 ай бұрын
I imagine the reason why miqella fused mogh and radahn is to create a replacement godwyn. Basically as mogh and godwyn are true full brothers in flesh while the ability of Radahn to inspire true loyalty from others and kindness is similar to what i assume Godwyn has... Basically he has no interest with Mogh nor Radahn, he just wants a perfect Godwyn replacement. I wouldnt be surprised if Miquella tried to mold the 'fusion' to be more like Godwyn overtime discarding bits of Radahn that doesnt fit his idea of the perfect Lord Brother Consort .
@ShogunWay5 ай бұрын
Do you know I was thinking about that because Godwyn is the prince of death, so it would make sense if you have to go through him to go to the realm of death, the realm of shadow And I always find it weird how mohg just spawns out of there like he just came back from a different world and he says like you’re gonna have to be in there alone for a while
@the_infinexos5 ай бұрын
The closest we'll ever get to a Godwyn bossfight is those Death Knights, who were his personal guard
@kingjohn89805 ай бұрын
We already know Godwyn’s body is in Deeproot Depths. We even go through a whole quest line with very convoluted steps in order to revive Godwyn for the Duskborne ending. Godwyn begin resurrected in the DLC just wouldn’t have made sense.
@1.0xY.m0r0n5 ай бұрын
How does that quest involve reviving Godwyn? As far as I knew it was just to get the mending rune of death so those that live in death would no longer be persecuted.
@kingjohn89805 ай бұрын
@@1.0xY.m0r0n look back at the dialogue with Fia after giving her the curse mark. She talks about giving Godwyn a “second-illustrious life”.
@UmbyWumby5 ай бұрын
@@1.0xY.m0r0n because they made it up 🗣
@kingjohn89805 ай бұрын
@@1.0xY.m0r0ngo back and listen to Fia’s dialogue. When you give her the curse mark, she talks about giving Godwyn a “second-illustrious life”
@theresnothinghere17455 ай бұрын
@@1.0xY.m0r0n 'reviving' isn't the best word for it but as Fia says "And it will surely stir within me. the new life of the golden prince, and first Dead of the demigods, as the rune of Those Who Live in Death." Godwyn becomes the mending rune you use to reintroduce destined death into the order. Godwyn is in effect being transformed into an alien enitity like the elden beast.
@Pooka_Beatz5 ай бұрын
I always felt like the hair of miquella while sitting on radans shoulder reminded me of godwyn but maybe im just trippin
@thatssometal3585 ай бұрын
@@Pooka_Beatz on the money
@shattermelon4965 ай бұрын
i mean they are brothers
@JaegerVT5 ай бұрын
Godwyn is such a fucking tease, i wanted him to be the final boss so bad, i feel like Radahn wad planned last minute since fans begged for radahn prime as a bosss
@walter_blanco12595 ай бұрын
I have a theory what if the eclipse miquella wanted is the age of duskborn ending where Godwyn can actually live on if you look at the mending rune of duskborn and all the eclipse items the shield and shotel there essentially the same thing this has to be related no? Would also make sense why we got no new information as his story already has a conclusion
@carlosguerrero__5 ай бұрын
imagine miquella possessing godwyns body that shit wouldve been insane
@bleeem5 ай бұрын
what body? the fish body in the roots? i think yall dont know the lore tbh
@carlosguerrero__5 ай бұрын
@@bleeem yes that body is godwyns, did u even play the game?
@skinnytimmy15 ай бұрын
@@bleeem well radahn soul is supposedly in mohgs body but it just looks like radahns body lol. I'm sure miquella could give godwyn a lil makeover lol
@NepSpookie5 ай бұрын
@@skinnytimmy1 cant remove the deathblight
@JackLuong5 ай бұрын
@@skinnytimmy1 madeover form for P1 then his deadform for P2 is peak design
@asgads5 ай бұрын
I guess Godwyn will be the main baddy in elden ring 2. that sequel seems like a go after the sales numbers
@JyotiDeka19895 ай бұрын
And that would be great.
@asgads5 ай бұрын
@@JyotiDeka1989 for sure
@JyotiDeka19895 ай бұрын
@@asgads An eclipse leading to the rebirth of Godwyn's soul would be an amazing spectacle and with the sales record of Elden Ring, I don't think FromSoftware would put down the idea for a sequel.
@FishWithLipstick5 ай бұрын
@@JyotiDeka1989 An eclipse is what i wanted for this DLC so bad, i wanted some eclipse at the end of the game that just wiped everything with deathblight with a crumbling divine gate, true metal. I wanted an orphan of kos type body horror thing with godwyn and its a shame we didnt get that in this DLC
@Zapdos975 ай бұрын
He is gone and should stay gone. It would ruin Destined Death.
@vincentbeton5 ай бұрын
At least we did not have to see Goodwin the Goldeen
@HasturTheKingInYellow5 ай бұрын
Everyone wanted to see him. Redahn on the other hand not sure.
@bigzero77205 ай бұрын
"Hi, I'm Saul Goodwin..."
@crusaderpenguin53265 ай бұрын
@hekam I for one never wanted to see Godwyn. His soul is gone, and his death was an impactful catalyst that brings the story to where it is when we begin it. To bring him back would cheapen the whole concept of “Destined Death” and would as a result reduce the importance of Maliketh, the Rune of Death, Ranni, and the Black Knife Assassins.
@HasturTheKingInYellow5 ай бұрын
@@crusaderpenguin5326 it would Make more sense for Miquella to do this because of this same reason because his mother failed. To make the world a gentler place is just not a good enough reason to do all this and also charming people and choosing Radahn of all people...
@skinnytimmy15 ай бұрын
@@crusaderpenguin5326 godywn being the catalyst for all this is EXACTLY why we wanted him as the final boss. It would be like a full circle moment.
@Cary3515 ай бұрын
Liked and subbed because this theory just blew me away. What a great catch! It actually does make a ton of sense. Wow, not only was Radahn basically enslaved as the new King Consort, he probably wasn’t even Miquella’s first choice for the role.
@cupofcheese28305 ай бұрын
I really hope Fromsoftware make Godwyn the focus of another elden ring dlc (if Miazaki would change his mind on the singular dlc) or at least in a second elden ring game
@jimsecretarchive5 ай бұрын
Wasn't Godwyn resurrected in Fia's ending as a rune ?
@halfblood_drag0n5 ай бұрын
and everyone said i was crazy hoping godwyn would be in it
@swheeler71485 ай бұрын
His soul is dead, you can't resurrect someone without a soul.
@hugopiegay28225 ай бұрын
Bro it's a videogame, you still can make Godwyn resurrect
@swheeler71485 ай бұрын
@@hugopiegay2822 yes it's a video game, but it's one with very established rules with in the lore. I also believe that failing at his pursuits is possibly what helped push Miquella to such drastic actions, He couldn't grow the tree, he couldn't fully heal his sister and he couldn't revive his brother with his current level of power. If Miquella's curse is to forever be stunted, it's not out of the realm of reason to assume this applies to his pursuits as well.
@hugopiegay28225 ай бұрын
@@swheeler7148 i agree, but fighting a fanfiction Radhan is pretty lame, no mention of Godwyn THE PRINCE OF DEATH in a whole Death Land like the shadow realm feel pretty weird (except those 2 death knight of course), I would prefer a fresh unique boss for the final boss, even if it goes against the lore... And with Godwyn that would be a perfect full circle in my opinion
@swheeler71485 ай бұрын
@@hugopiegay2822 I don't disagree, having something to do with Godwyn other than those random dungeons would have been awesome. I was definitely very surprised by it being Radahn and definitely felt like the memory we get to watch and the ending were a little anti climactic.
@wntr65885 ай бұрын
@@hugopiegay2822fighting a fan fiction version of godwyn would be as silly as fighting radhan. It breaks established lore. Yes we can all admit it would be cool but if from soft added things purely because they were “cool” the game wouldn’t be as good.
@irishspartanstudios25 күн бұрын
HUGE missed opportunity to update Fia's questline conclusion. As in her ending once you bund her rune to the Elden Ring. I can just imagine Godwyn swelling, with renwed strength, and subsuming the Erd Tree like strangling bramble. Less related, but you know that theory of how Elden Ring is the start of any of the other Soulsborne games? Well I can imagine Godwyn growing to become something similar in deisgn to the Old One from Demon Souls, just this tree-like gray mass with many branches and a fierce appetite for life in a world chocked in fog.
@nameless4585 ай бұрын
Godwyn was buried under the erdtree where we find his actual body. Anyone who messes with it is afflicted by deathblight, as was Rogier under Stormveil when he messed with only an extention of Godwyns body.
@DeMut885 ай бұрын
I can understand that people would love to see Godwyn in the DLC, but first of all: Bringing him back would ruin the whole point, that he's dead and nothing can change that despite all the attempts. Second he lives in death, hes dead but still influence the world, hes not really there but still has an impact, there would be nothing special about living in death, when there would be no differences from being alive.
@buffoonustroglodytus46885 ай бұрын
Yes exactly this is the whole point people refuse to accept.
@Brendonherring5225 ай бұрын
Nope. This theory is firmly refuted in the lore. The body is Miquella's. Miquella required blood transfusion from Mohg in order to bypass the erdtree upon his death. We know that the rune of death was eliminated from the Order upon its creation, which allowed Marika to co-opt the cycle of life and death via the process of erdtree burial. However, as the Omen were seen as having tainted, impure blood by the Order (particularly Mohg, as he had communed with the Formless Mother), they weren't able to participate in this process. Miquella took advantage of this in order to allow his soul to be transported to the Lands of Shadow upon his death, where we know that all manner of death ends up. This same effect is presumably how we are able to get to the Lands of Shadow, by touching him and thereby coming into contact with the Omen blood that Mohg had suffused him with. Although, we can get super weird with this (we'd gotten mohg's blood injected into our finger via Varre's quest already) so the mechanics are superfluous with respect to this discussion. Moving on. As for the body's appearance (since we can see that he had retained his childlike form when he was pulled out of the haligtree), his body clearly has the same skin tone as Mohg and other Omen, with the enlarging of his hand. And finally, the nails in the coffin for this theory are twofold: 1. Obviously Fia is lying with Godwyn's body, which is still there throughout the entirety of the DLC. We use it to enter Godwyn's dream, where we do battle with Fortissax. 2. The model in the cocoon does not bear the cursemark of death, which was carved upon Godwyn's skin as his soul was killed. The body is Miquella's. The end! P.S. I do genuinely enjoy the lore discussion that's arising from the DLC and naturally, people have to throw stuff at the wall to see what sticks, otherwise we'll never come to a solid conclusion on the full story. However, while I don't want to seem like I'm being a baby about it, it's bugged me how many "theories" people are churning out without considering the base game's lore at all, or seemingly without vetting them against anything. Anyhow, let's keep the discussion going! Let's talk about how the Fell God is a SNAKE!
@LordofGodsandMen5 ай бұрын
I was very sad about that but it’s okay the dlc is awesome as is
@galaxydragon12345 ай бұрын
I think the whole problem with this is the radahn thing. Miquella already decided BEFORE godwyns death that he would have radahn as consort
@The_Crimson_Shogun5 ай бұрын
I guess that flew over a bunch of heads. It's spelled out in the base game that Miquella just wanted to see Godwyn die a true death instead of becoming that ningyo-type create in Deaproot Depths. Meanwhile, the Remembrance of a God and a Lord blatantly says, "In their childhood, Miquella saw in Radahn a lord." Miquella's idea from the beginning was to make Radahn his Lord, not Godwyn. Additionally, "Lord Brother" seems to be a term of endearment or respect, not to be specific to one person.
@SupraSwag165 ай бұрын
the body in the cocoon is in fact miquella's arm how in sure of it because it has the same ring and same ring placement when we get to see miquella's memory at the end of the game
@Wyrdist5 ай бұрын
Not only is he dead, but he died in such a weird specific way. Him returning in any way other than his mermaid corpse in Deeproot Depths would be purely fanservice and would make way less sense than Rahdan. I have my own criticisms about the dlc, but Miquella choosing him and by extension, the him returning and having the game do more with his character is a good thing for me. I always thought it was kinda lousy for Rahdan to be hyped up as much as he was, only for him to have a boss fight that’s not fitting at all for the “strongest Demi god”.
@eepersneepers78725 ай бұрын
Well he was the strongest demigod. We just fight him when he has no more wit left to him. Perpetually stuck on a horse for his feet have rotted off. Having to eat the corpses he slain in battle however many years it was when the shattering happened. He's handicapped right now due to being eaten from within from the scarlet rot. So yes he was the strongest demigod, we just never fight him when he was in his prime. Even in the DLC, he's not Starscourge Radahn because Miquella revived him when he wanted to take Radahn as his Consort. Which happened to be pre-Starcourge
@HasturTheKingInYellow5 ай бұрын
I think it's the opposite. I think bringing back Rodahn was a fan service because people wanted to fight the prime radahn. And Miyazaki just agreed maybe.
@eepersneepers78725 ай бұрын
@hekam I feel it was more premeditated than anything. Notice that the only 2 Demigods corpses we don't see are Mohgs and Radahns. Godwyn is beneath the Erdtree. Morgott is in the Elden Throne Arena. Rykard is the head in the volcano. Malenia is the flower. And Godrick is getting curbstomped by Gostoc. Another thing is when Mohg dies he does a variation of the "Let Us Go Together" emote. Even though I feel like it came put of nowhere with no lore. I think they did envision this
@alphasierrabravo59055 ай бұрын
@@eepersneepers7872 nice find on his death animation and the emote! really nice find!
@Wyrdist5 ай бұрын
@@eepersneepers7872 I agree with the last guy. Nice find, but in the midst of all the dlc hype, Miyazaki said this is entire storyline was planned but scrapped due to time constraints. Still a very good observation tho, but I feel like Miyazaki deciding to charge you for their more or less poor time management reinforces the fact that it shouldn’t have costed $40 as opposed to 15-20
@alphasierrabravo59055 ай бұрын
Why would Marika make ANY sort of a CONFESSION to the grandmother at shaman village? "An affair from which The seduction and betrayal led to the birth of gold." What if Marika secret was that she cheated on Godfrey and had Godwyn? I beleive with a dragon, hence his tail. Note we NEVER EVER see Godwyns lower body, even in the intro cutscene of the game. Its only until the VERY END of Fia's questline that the truth is revealed about him. The only Omen children were, Morgott and Mogh, but she then cast them aside like dirt. So why wasnt Godwyn an omen as well? Also note that the ENTIRE reasoning for Miqella's crusade was because of Godwyn. The statues at Farum Azula are of Godwyn coddling Miqella and Melania. I personally beleive that after beating Radan, we see Miqella talking with someone who he wants to be his consort. I believe this IS Godwyn he is speaking to NOT Radan. People fail to also implement the fact that Godwyn was EXTREMELY powerful. So much so that he ended the war with dragons. This powerful warrior is what Miqella needed but Radan is just the second best thing.
@buffoonustroglodytus46885 ай бұрын
The remembrance you get after defeating consort radahn explicitly tells us that it was radahn miquella admired and wanted as his consort. It’s not implied or hinted at, it’s told straight up. That is the truth. «Nah I think he meant godwyn bro» well that’s your fanfiction at this point
@jasona44455 ай бұрын
@@alphasierrabravo5905 the statue is at the haligtree not farum azula
@alphasierrabravo59055 ай бұрын
@@jasona4445 no. There is one in Farum
@belmerrios55775 ай бұрын
Godwyn is very dead, his soul is no longer reachable, only his weird corpse is on the lands between...
@CoffeeBrainzz5 ай бұрын
You forgot to mention the Half Eclipse Shotel at Castle Sol, The Legendary Armament. It’s picked up at the final Alter next to one of those ghosts and right before the boss fight. It’s item descriptions MENTIONS The Prince Of Death. So it 10000% was Godwyn
@JackDout5 ай бұрын
Can't wait for the DLC that adds "Godwyn The Scado Lord".
@dullboy88755 ай бұрын
the amount of people that are surprised that godwyn, the demigod whose soul was completely obliterated from existence by destined death, isn’t in the DLC is mind-blowing.
@Banbro885 ай бұрын
Not at all lol you're delusional to say that. So many was pointing towards SOMETHING about Godwyn its not even funny. Unless it's included in Elden Ring 2 or another DLC, you can't possibly say that lol. Radahn makes even less sense yet you're riding Miyazaki for this mid final boss.
@dullboy88755 ай бұрын
@@Banbro88 I didn’t even say anything about radahn, at all, which tells me you’re coming at this emotionally which is to be expected from people like you in this community tbh. i only mentioned that anyone thinking that someone with no soul, and who’s body is in the base game already, would appear in the land of shadows is really dumb. should we have gotten lore? yes, but a final boss fight? it would create more questions than answers but most importantly completely break the lore of destined death and the entire shattering. it was never going to happen and to think otherwise is retarded.
@onyxonikuma48785 ай бұрын
What's mind blowing is making a character with so much ambiguous lore that goes nowhere just for the dlc to be a reused character because of popularity, on top of that there is nothing, nothing hinting towards miquella picking radahn. Its completely shoehorned in last minute due to people loving radahns fight.
@darkmatter694205 ай бұрын
@@Banbro88radahn literally had a hit out on him from malenia ISSUED BY MIQUELLA. She was sent to kill his ass because godwyns soul is unusable, not to spar for fun. Its crazy how you thought you knew what you're talking about but instead just showed you dont pay attention at all.
@AmygdalasBalls5 ай бұрын
show me one instance of godwyn’s soul being “obliterated”
@baraldogrant5 ай бұрын
Was hoping for clearer lore on Torrent too.
@AmygdalasBalls5 ай бұрын
@@baraldogrant did they even say anything at all?
@baraldogrant5 ай бұрын
@@AmygdalasBalls not to my knowledge 😔
@lordofshades98525 ай бұрын
@@baraldograntwe get a little I'd say, more so context to something we see. In the abyssal woods, Torrent refuses to answer your call due to fear. In the area we can find an item that states that even spirits die to this. When we get a certain ending, torrent's ring crumbles to dust
@baraldogrant5 ай бұрын
@lordofshades9852 I knew about the other things but not the thing saying "spirits die from this too" which thank you. That's cool and I didn't know that. Appreciate you.
@Sogrub5 ай бұрын
For everyone saying that Godwyn couldn't be revived because his soul died: Mohg's soul also died and even so Miquella revived his body with Radah's soul, so no, it wouldn't be impossible to revive Godwyn, especially since it is implied that an eclipse can give Godwyn a soul
@IdleWandering5 ай бұрын
@@Sogrub No Mohg soul didn’t die his body was used as a vessel for another soul. Godwyn had a curse carved into his body with the rune of death that killed his soul. Reincarnation can’t take place if you have no soul, the only reason why you see Godwyns body across the lands between and shadows is because his body was given a erdtree Burial. His corpse is still alive and infecting the erdtree that why you have death root now and those that live in death.
@CM-hx5dp5 ай бұрын
The eclipse did not fucking work, and im pretty sure it never would have.
@theresnothinghere17455 ай бұрын
Mogh soul didn't die in the same way as Godwyn, Mogh died regularly so his souls is still in the erd tree's cycle. Godwyn died via destined death, his soul is not in the erd tree's cycle of life. The deaths aren't comparable at all. Of course Mogh/Radahn can be revived we literally do the same with summonable ashes and revive those dead to fight in our stead.
@jessiellanes30045 ай бұрын
Omen are Different since omen are related to the crucible where a cycle of nature Radahn died like being judged in underworld While Godwyn soul died to be never to be reborn or no longer exist or maybe got thrown to another dimension something like that
@henkespankme22404 ай бұрын
Godwyns death was soul alone, and with the erdtree still in place when the eclipse ritual happened, it wasn't a failure. But the tarnished was resurrected using godwyns soul. Hence why we don't die as tarnished but other tarnished do. Theory*
@ServerYT3 ай бұрын
If it's not Godwyn, it could easily be one of the other demigods like the ones in the walking mausoleums. The monstrosity under leyndell seems to be the original body, considering that it has what appears to be his clothing, golden hair and is the source of the deathblight.
@MrNuclearz5 ай бұрын
Having fucking Radahn again as the final boss and not Godwyn is the biggest L in the history of the souls franchise.
@samplexample5 ай бұрын
lol that’s not Godwyn in the cocoon. It’s Miquella. It’s called the cocoon of the Emperian after all. Godwyn’s body is still alive, at Deeproot Depths, and he exists as part of the world. So the eclipse ritual failed, and Radahn was the next best thing.
@AmygdalasBalls5 ай бұрын
lame!!
@zaegva5 ай бұрын
If Miquella wants Godwyn to die a true death, then it makes no sense for him to be the consort.
@varsedo5 ай бұрын
@@zaegva that’s untrue because if Godwyn does die a true death then Miquella can easily revive him.
@zaegva5 ай бұрын
@@varsedo in my book, true death means, that there is no resurrection or anything possible after that.
@varsedo5 ай бұрын
@@zaegva didn’t Radahn technically die a true death?
@m4monitor9795 ай бұрын
@varsedo Not exactly, more so just killing his body, but his soul is still intact. Godwyn, on the other hand, died to true death where in his soul was truly destroyed.
@varsedo5 ай бұрын
@@m4monitor979 I’m trying to understand something. Marika shattered The Elden Ring. Wouldn’t that undo the immortality she placed on the Lands Between?
@RomanGuro5 ай бұрын
The true monster is the Player. Just wondering around and kills everything that moves 😈
@harrenysk5 ай бұрын
The Scadutree is literally an "eclipse" of the Erdtree, being a "shadow of the erdtree". The history of the term "scadu", or "shadeu", from the Old Middle English Dictionary, has links to death, god, luminescence and radiance: shadwe ALSO shadeu, , SCAUDU, (early), etymology a form of "SCADU": (a) The dark image cast by someone or something when interposed between an object and a source of light, a shadow (c) ~ of deth (ded), dethes ~, the shadow of death; -- transl. of Vulgate umbra mortis; also fig.; (d) ?luminescence, radiance; (f) in place name: ~ of god, translating French or Latin. I fully believe SOTE was meant to be a death-focused expansion. I mean the erdtree is literally deathblight-colored.
@imperiallray79335 ай бұрын
Im so glad Im not the only one that fully expected godwyn to be miquella's consort
@weebhunter93055 ай бұрын
What if the Hornsent succeeded into creating a Saint? Marika, we know that was their whole idea behind the jars and besides Marika there isn't another (Miko) shaman or maiden whichever translation you accept for now, that had an alter ego. Which is Radagon and remember this. Every child of Marika and Radagon specifically had some influence or alter ego. Messmer was influenced by a flame and then a abyssal serpent consumed it, Malenia was influenced by an Outer God, Miquella who straight up had an alter ego St.Trina, and since Melina is implied by Messmer flame that it is his younger sister possibly had the Gloam Eyed Queen which Marika defeated giving us a reason as to why Melina doesn't have a body since the Gloam Eyed Queen was killed and Melina was the alter ego. That's why they talked about being betrayed by Marika, they think they were doing good by the atrocities committed trying to create a saint only to succeed and Marika played her role until she had the opportunity to take power and become a God. And to explain the rest of Demigods is easy, at that point Marika and Radagon were separated Marika and Godfrey had Godwym, Morgott and Mohg. While Radagon went and had Ranni, Rycard and Radahn. And the Demigods mentioned above only had traits/roots of their respective parent. I'll even retract what I said about them being separated they might have had control when they were having their respective children.
@marcus22greene5 ай бұрын
it would feel like every foe of Marika have defeated or sealed away, has in way have been reborn as her children.
@th3thatguy6315 ай бұрын
I dont think Melina is the alter of The Gloam Eyed Queen, simply because of gender. Marika and Radagon are male and female, same as Miquella and St. Trina. Theres a start of a pattern there without any further evidence to show that an alter may be of the same gender i think its safer to assume that Melina simply is; The Gloam Eyed Queen. Also note that Messmer has his right eye missing while Melina has her left eye... "Gloamy"? The eyes could very well be a method of containing otherworldly and "unholy" magic. Both Melina and Messmer also contain a form of fire magic, which i believe to be associated with the Frenzied Flame. The only two ways of burning the erdtree is either using the frenzied flame or having melina sacrifice herself. Messmer also has the ability to burn down the shadowroot or whatever its called in the dlc. Then its revealed that marika fucked the Frenzied Flame dude in the dlc and that Messmer and therefor Melina may have been born from Her and the Frenzied Flame fella. Note the Frenzied Flame also has alot of Eyeball imagery Is the fire magic possessed by Messmer and Melina a genetic form of the Frenzied Flame? I think so
@weebhunter93055 ай бұрын
@@th3thatguy631 Lol, no the Frenzy Flame at no point is able to burn down the Erdtree by itself, even if WE go down in the capital we still use the Fire the giants left, also although there is a pattern there is also no evidence saying that an Alter Ego can't be of the same gender, after all what the Hornsent did was to put bodies together with the bodies of Shamans/Numen. As we also know Radagon is Marika and when they both do the shaka shaka guess how their kids come out? Cursed Miquella and Malenia, Messmer now is a confirmed case as well being cursed with fire and the abyssal serpent, and in his own flame description he had a younger sister who bore visions of flame. Which flame? We see it in game which flame Melina can manipulate. Also my speculation on Melina having an alter ego is pretty simple, Melina at no point uses Black Flame/Destine Death/God Slaying Flame but remember what she promised to deliver to us in the Frenzy Flame Ending? That's right Destined Death and that's just a different name they have given to it.
@CJusticeHappen215 ай бұрын
My theory is that Godwyn and Ranni were wedded, as a means of further consolidating their two families when Radagon became Marika's next Husband. Ranni had Godwyn killed as a means of breaking their relationship. "Til Death Do Us Part" and so forth.
@IdleWandering5 ай бұрын
@@CJusticeHappen21 you’re theory is somewhat similar to mines, but in my theory they are not married but Godwyn is Ranni’s promised consort by the 2 fingers, it makes sense that the two fingers would decide who each Empyrean would need as a Lord to become a god and Ranni hated the influence of the 2 fingers that’s why the plot of the black knives happened which caused the shattering which lead to Miquellia becoming the chosen one the be a god and his chosen consort was Rahdan.
@mythzel898bet25 ай бұрын
I dont think its ranni,its ancient dragon Fortissax(if you believe Fortissax is female since there is no female or male pronouns just an it in the item description and lansseax being the sister of fortissax)because since godwyn is the Scion of the golden bough, meaning the same level as morgott and mohg,and since we dont know any other demigod in that same level other than godwyn and the omen twins,well how do you think the golden lineage is many until it reach Godrick?also Godrick speak to a dead dragon, calling it kindred,more evidence that the golden lineage have ancient dragon or atleast draconic blood
@Wulk5 ай бұрын
Sorry but his body is under stormbail castle that siren looking thing is Godwin it wouldn't make sense that he has 2 bodys
@Michijere775 ай бұрын
THANK YOU FOR TALKING ABOUT THIS! I’ve been waiting for someone to tackle this issues. I thought I was going crazy, missing something like this.