Radahn Didn't Want This

[@agtjake]

Would you kindly...be my king consort?

[@reverbedash9282]

Consort eternal

[@reverbedash9282]

Dont you think melina might be marika...after reading minor erdtree incantation spell

[@jorgeromero1352]

No

[@aayushdasgupta9754]

​@@reverbedash9282she is most likely the child closest to Marika, but definitely not Marika herself. I think she is the sister of Messmer

[@epicureanmaster]

Yes, Mr. Ryan

[@Mc_Beefcake]

Miquella: 'oh lord brother, wouldst thou be my lord consort and abscondeth the golden order?' Radahn: 'yeah, over my dead body, weirdo.' Miquella: 'Wonderful! Sis?'

[@LonkiDonki]

Malenia: marry our brother Radahn: I'm good thanks Malenia: *unsheathes blade* that is not an option

[@logicallgaming]

Radahn: Im on that sigma Grindset Miquella: Marry me Step Bro Radahn: Radahn simps for no one not even you. Miquella on the verge of tears: Sis he said no! Malenia: That's it.. I'm finna nuke him for saying no to you. Miquella: All according to plan Malenia: What was that? Miquella: Nothing!

[@tiredguy601]

Miquella: *pats sister on shoulder* “Don’t take too long” Malenia: “bout time”

[@freshimega]

… Some time, after Malenia bloomed… Radahn: I won’t die! My weird brother shall never have my soul! Tarnished: Hey big bud! Gimme your Great Rune and access to the DLC! Radahn: Miquella you son of a…

[@shuraeditz27]

@@freshimega bruh moment

[@asuddenredfox3626]

Mohg: Radahn, I wanna go home… Radahn: I know Buddy, I know…

[@discipleofdagon8195]

Mohg: I can't believe Miquella did me so dirty Radahn's soul leaving his rot-infested husk: First time?

[@tamtamxxx2854]

Miquella God of gaslighting :(

[@pancakes8670]

Radahn and Mohg bonding as siblings in whatever Afterlife they're in is oddly cute to me

[@fl4avv721]

So corny

[@discipleofdagon8195]

@@fl4avv721 stop looking in the mirror then

[@stabcityblues5264]

They should add a new ending to the base game where you become lord of Miquella and it's called Age of Consent

[@Mr_Jester980]

Lol 😂

[@DD4iz]

da fuq 😅

[@here-we-go-again1]

lmao

[@HoboHunterRik]

Dr. Disrespect would speedrun that playthrough

[@kostaVHjovanovic]

@@stabcityblues5264 underrated comment

[@RexVergstrong]

You know he wasn't himself because Leonard wasn't there with him.

[@LethalEagleSW]

Fr

[@crabberdabberye]

Leonards dead ass hell dawg

[@danielled8665]

So is Rahdan ​@@crabberdabberye

[@molamola9723]

@@crabberdabberye Miquella should’ve revived Leonard too. Then Radhan would’ve willingly became consort. Miquella kinda dumb tbh.

[@Mario-SunshineGalaxy64]

Radahn found something else to ride.

[@northriver.]

getting his land nuked, turned into a zombie, killed twice, forced into an oath, and getting manipulated by a child. Bro has his life rough.

[@discipleofdagon8195]

I like to think he's now in the afterlife, awaiting for an erdtree revival with Leonard, chilling together in some ethereal field with (I hope) a de-snaked Rykard, Morgott, Godfrey and the rest of the Demi-gods.

[@Ron_Jambo_]

@@discipleofdagon8195 And even then, Godrick ends up being bullied by everyone

[@discipleofdagon8195]

@@Ron_Jambo_ I mean, in fairness, he is pretty full of himself and not that powerful.

[@theenderdestruction2362]

@@discipleofdagon8195 they all just watch the tarnished run around, godrick made popcorn for everyone and waited on everyone else and in this case just wasn't arrogant and now is a weird but kindly old man, if Marika joins them he's beating her with a fucking cane radaghon to

[@im2arrogant118]

Getting manipulated by the biggest manipulator in the history of the universe, who happens to look like a child lol.

[@RauschenPauli]

the thing that makes me believe miquella did not give a fuck abour radahn as a person. he did not revive his horse. all he cared about is his strength and kindness. not the person, just his traits.

[@itzgravybaby]

He threw away his love, he cared for nothing but the new order

[@cyberninjazero5659]

We even know he can command ghost horses. He gave us Torrent!

[@randomrhino7500]

@@itzgravybaby mother like son kicking out their humanity literary

[@DracoSafarius]

@@randomrhino7500 Marika's at least got a little bit left with creating Melina, but Miquella's a straight up demon

[@MMOplayeerr]

@@DracoSafarius I mean, He wasnt. He was supposedly kind and full of love, but he threw away his love and basically he lost his humanity and became an extremist.

[@Calimc07]

Poor radahn got caught by Miquella the Tickla, and Mohg beat the allegations like the goat he is

[@guardianvalor962]

Radahn and Mohg were Miqulested

[@GiveMeBass93]

Miquella the Mohg Tickle-a

[@AverageLobotomite]

@@Calimc07 Miquellested

[@shaynethegmann]

Dr disrespect died to redeem Mohg of his sins

[@guardianvalor962]

Radan and Mohg both got wronged by Miquellester

[@theegg141]

Ansbach’s dialogue if he dies as a summon for the fight also assists this theory. He tells you to make a land for men. Not for gods.

[@asamataua]

THAT'S ACTUALLY BADASS! WOW

[@_cripticon8004]

Ansbach is the goat dude, he's always got the best takes, despite being a blood knight

[@EnglishAaron]

Which by killing miquella and radahn you do, Marika is an empty shell that houses the elden ring but holds no will of it's own anymore. The tarnished becomes the ruling lord to pass the throne to the next person or ascends to the stars to remove the order from the land itself leaving governance in the hands of those who dwell within the lands between along with being responsible for the consequences of their own actions. I find Miquella's rule would be one where all consequences and responsibilities are absolved, left solely as miquella's burden to bear. Some people even in real life want that so it makes sense why some people would remain loyal to Miquella despite his charm being broken...the irony being he never needed to charm those people in the first place.

[@betrayfate9772]

@_cripticon8004 honestly he makes me think that Mohg mightve been a good person, if we go off himself the Pureblood knights were meant to be true knights. Only for all of it to be corrupted and filled with murderers when Mohg got charmed by Miquella with the goal to get more blood for Miquella, as it was mentioned in the blood talisman it was all to get blood for Miquella

[@Solren1337]

Holy hell I love that.

[@xr3la]

Radah was captivated by Godfrey in his youth. And now we see him roughly Godfrey's size, even wielding his iconic stomp technique, with hair tied like Godfrey's instead of a red lion mane. And most interestingly, Miquella hangs over his left shoulder, like Serosh on Godfrey, also controlling him to make him unwillingly fit an ideal of a lord. Even the way Miquella remade his body was pure manipulation

[@owenmanley4231]

@@xr3la I see that now. Why do you think Miquella re-animated Radahn in the image of Godfrey instead of his former self depicting Radagon?

[@DracoSafarius]

@@owenmanley4231 Well the armor text says that was what he wore in his youth (helmet especially), so I would assume Miquella brought over Radahn's old armor since that was from pre-shattering and the much more compassionate version he was obsessed with. Bonus in that it was probably the only set that would fit the Mohg body since it was smaller.

[@Jurgir09]

This!

[@owenmanley4231]

@@DracoSafarius I agree about the armor being from his youth and it fitting Mohg, but not the first part. I think Radahn was always compassionate. It could easily be said that his act in halting the course of the cosmoes was a compassionate act in of itself once he realized what Miquella’s new order would bring. I think it makes sense that this armor was for a younger Radahn, as he was much smaller in his youth. It still doesn’t answer why it resembles Godfrey so much, you know?

[@reagenlionel]

It resembles godfrey, because was stated multiple times he looked up to godfrey in his youth. The correlation was already there. Was said multiplss times in many sources in the base game. I dont see the confusion or point of contention about that. Radahn especially didnt make it a secret either.

[@m1revan1k]

Ansbach is a goated character, trying his best to help his fallen lord and break his curse all the while being helpful to the tarnished

[@Gamer_G33k]

@@m1revan1k Makes me wonder what Mohg actually would have been like without Miquellas interference. Varre and the other White Masks too, since it's implied that they too were charmed.

[@brandinicole1372]

Exactly Ansbach at the end was not about to let what happened to mohg go unanswered once he found everything out. As Ansbach said “his lord deserved better”. He not even mad at our tarnished asses for killing him and even said his lord died in an honorable duel. Best NPC in the DLC.

[@m1revan1k]

⁠@@Gamer_G33kgreat point. I’m not saying the formless mother is a good force but seeing how many characters both the albunarics and creatures in the dlc look to her for help makes me feel sorry for those who led by their lord (mohg) corrupted or atleast forgotten. That kind of sold it for me and seeing how Ansbach represents that true side of mohg in a way (respectful and dutiful) showed who mohg could have been

[@m1revan1k]

@@Gamer_G33kalso Ansbach respectful dialgoue towards radahn in the last fight ( a lord seemingly at odds with the mohgwyn dynasty) gives credit to who mohg surrounded himself with before being bewitched

[@joshuakim5240]

@@m1revan1k The Formless Mother might actually be one of the more beneficial outer gods because she is explicitly described to seek wounds upon herself and her followers (even Mogh's spear works by directly poking her, and any splash damage is just convenient coincidence). If she is also the Blood Star, then that means that the many blinded or half-blinded see her and choose to worship her due to providing some sort of vague comfort. So based on this information, the Formless Mother is communed with via self-inflicted wounds and she herself also partakes in getting wounded...but not upon wounding others. Not only that, but the Lord of Blood's Exultation talisman explicitly states that the mass amount of blood seeking going on with current Mogh is to sate the thirst of Miquella's cocoon, not the Formless Mother. If Ansbach is to be used as a basis for pre-Miquellested Mogh, Mogh and his old Pureblood Knights likely partook in ritualistic self-bleeding for communion and only became crazed blood seekers via Miquella controlling them to gather blood for him to use as a disposable meat suit on his Shadowlands journey. Also very interestingly, Ansbach describes Mogh having attempted to have fought Miquella and even injuring him with his spear, meaning that Mogh likely didn't kidnap Miquella but rather Miquella invited him and used force to control him upon Mogh refusing to comply with Miquella's scheme (just like what happened with Radahn, showing how Miquella REALLY hates having someone say no to him). Miquella's entire army having mind control crowns would also explain how and why Mogh's invitation became unknown (dude has the subtlety of a brick covered in bells after all), as the brainwashed soldiers would just let Mogh and his private escort into the Haligtree with them not disclosing what happened under the control of Miquella. Another interesting thing to note is that Mogh is referred to as 2 different titles: Luminary Mogh, and Mogh Lord of Blood. It's possible that Luminary Mogh was his first title pre-Miquellestation and he was a decent dude, then upon his mind control became the Lord of Blood to fulfill Miquella's need for disposable body blood for his journey. This also explains Okina being at the Radahn Festival and Varre's role: Okina is being sent on Miquella's behalf to finish off Radahn in his extreme refusal to die, while Varre is unknowingly recruiting capable Tarnished while giving them a shortcut directly to kill Mogh at the manipulations of Miquella (Tarnished are canonically known and feared as demigod slaying badasses, so a slayer of demigod slayers is likely super capable of killing Mogh when the time is right).

[@GexTendies]

I've been thinking it's super unnerving that the reborn Radahn has ZERO lines of dialogue in any of the cutscenes or during the fight. I would expect him to be like Godfrey, honouring his opponent with words before and after the fight, but he just goes at you completely expressionless. The poor guy really is just a zombie being controlled by Miquella and for sure he wants nothing to do with it.

[@DracoSafarius]

Even worse off than his rotted version. That one has his mind mostly gone from being afflicted so long, but the core of him (battle lust, skills, extreme magic and dedication holding back celestial bodies, and the unending love for my boy Leonard) are there, but this one is essentially a robot.

[@rosesweetcharlotte]

@@DracoSafarius That is just sad. The idea that he was, in some way, sort of happy that way, because he had so much of what he wanted. And the person saying that they loved him took that away

[@NotAGoodUsername360]

It's a terrifying thought that Radahn was actually happier as a rot zombie fighting against comrades trying to give him a worthy send-off, than he is getting literally ridden by Miquella...

[@NitinKumar-bg4ew]

After reading this comment it makes me sad, cause now I want to be praised by radahn after defeating him.

[@TheVagabondGadite]

​@@rosesweetcharlotte Dude, Miquella is the fuckin worst. And we're just as bad. We might have thought it was good intent having so many warrior fans give him a 2-vs-many battle. But killing him, we sent his soul straight to Miquella.

[@BrokeBoiGas]

Miquella really told Radahn: “I likes ya, and I wants ya. Now we can do this the easy way or the hard way. The choice is yours.”

[@kyodarkness9243]

Just made the same comment lol

[@discipleofdagon8195]

I call ya Chadahn

[@Jurgir09]

Malenia: "N-now, i can see that U chosen the hard way..."

[@discipleofdagon8195]

@@Jurgir09 "I see" -Blind Lady

[@darthchungus9964]

Miquelleece jhonson the consort warrior

[@d4darwin458]

"One thing is certain, my lord mohg deserved better"

[@Dressyone223]

I beat Elden Ring for the first time with a bleed build. I will always be a pure blood knight at heart. For the Dignity of Lord Mohg!

[@ericsalsbery4363]

Everyone thought Mohg was the predator but poor lad was the victim all along

[@brendenhawley2225]

@@ericsalsbery4363 Mohg is Johnny depp in other words,

[@adamH.1]

@@ericsalsbery4363 he still kidnapped Miquella from the haligtree willingly, basically ruining his plan. Miquella THEN charmed him

[@ericsalsbery4363]

​@@adamH.1 In the base game, it says that Miquella never communicated with Mohg while he was inside the cocoon. I believe that's in Mohg's remembrance. So Mohg had to have been charmed *before* Miquella entered the cocoon. I believe Mohg kidnapping Miquella was Miquella's plan the entire time. For whatever reason he needed Mohg to kill him in this way to access the lands of shadow. He then uses Mohg's remains later on for a different part of his plan, so either Miquella is the king of improvisation, or he planned the entire thing from the start.

[@mrself5824]

We owe Mogh a sincere and heartfelt *Moghpology*

[@inkycappy7499]

@@mrself5824 that actually made me laugh, but yes we do indeed owe his a Mohgpology.

[@Jurgir09]

Mogh: "No seriously, I'm here just to get some cupcakes"

[@lqg4395]

I don't. I assumed he was gonna acreage miquella to the formless mother, which would have been dope.

[@dr.dreamer8914]

@mrself5824 , how does one bolden their text in the comments?

[@mrself5824]

@@dr.dreamer8914 You put * these on the start and end of whatever you wanna bold

[@anonfinally1692]

"Tarnished, yield the path forward to us." "Do you not see my Dark Moon Greatsword +10?"

[@discipleofdagon8195]

"Yield the path forward to us" Me with my verdigris greatshield and bleed-proccing thrust-weapon: No :3

[@rodrickstark8516]

"Yield the path forward to us." "Nuh uh" 🗿

[@elshaddollconstructor2019]

@@rodrickstark8516 WHAT DO YOU MEAN "NUH UH"?

[@helwrecht1637]

“Yield the path to us” I did not get law of regression for nothing, you are getting gold masked and you are gonna like it you ointment fly

[@TheChaoticOccasions]

@@elshaddollconstructor2019 Nuh UHHHH

[@kurenian]

Perhaps Mohg, being an omen, was what Miquella needed to access the land of shadow, the land of the hornsent?

[@papzaire4269]

this does create quite an interesting scenario, perhaps Mohg was the only choice since Morgott's love and loyalty to Marika and the golden order was soo deep and unwavering he would never comply, even if Miquella bewitched him like he did to Mohg and later Radahn

[@Xelemich]

interesting indeed, and if you look closely...the divine gate is made by horsent corpses...not stone

[@abeon8151]

@@Xelemich What I noticed is that there are 2 sets of corpses there. One are pure textures that you can't destroy, and those are not hornsent, but regular humans. But then there are actual objects that you can destroy, and those are solidified hornsent corpses. In case you don't know, the hornsent stuffed Marika's family and people of her village (Shamans) into jars, I guess because they found them unholy, and I assume what is happening with the Divine Gate is that the hornsent also sacrificed humans to commune with gods, and then, when Marika went there to ascend to godhood, she took revenge and sacrificed a bunch of hornsent to achieve her goal. It could also just be nothing and they took some random "pile of corpses" texture and put it there to save time and money.

[@jakequercia]

I also felt this way! When Ansbach said “As if using Mohg to gain access to the land of shadow was not enough…” it made me think that either it’s because he’s an omen and is in some way related to the Hornsent, a connection between the formless mother and how other entities pray to her in the realm of shadow, or that somehow Mohg has been to the land of shadow beforehand and provided some means of access to Miquella

[@typical_ID]

bro cooked with this one

[@TheManofThings777]

I get that a lot of people think Radahn was willingly there with Miquella at the end, but I just don't see this character who: - Loves war - Loves being a general - Loves his horse - Loved his community Would leave all of that behind. IMO, if Radahn wasn't being controlled by Miquella he'd, for one, just talk to us and try to get us to see Miquella's perspective, and second he'd for sure run right back to Caelid to check in on his people.

[@jean-danielsimard2076]

Fuck the people, what matter is leonard. That thrusty steed must be respect

[@BulldogFromHell]

All of this falls apart when you realize that Miquella literally cannot mind control people. He can only influence.

[@EmXena315]

'ate scarlet rot 'ate dishonor 'ate ma brother 'ate the stars (not racist just don't like em) Love me Horse Love me Swords Love me battles simple as

[@TheManofThings777]

@@BulldogFromHell Well that's clearly not the case, or at least not entirely the case, as Ansbach's story shows. The MOMENT the enchantment dropped he wanted Miquella's head on a spike.

[@BulldogFromHell]

@@TheManofThings777 Yes, because he ceased to love Miquella. The influence was gone.

[@marimayes]

Going into the dlc I hated Mohg but Miquella was the one who was actually doing the Mohglesting. One thing is for certain, Mogh will be avenged with dignity. I will make sure of it

[@thedreamer5049]

We will bring Miquelester to justice. #JusticeForMogh

[@AnmarBatarfi]

MIQUELLESTER

[@manafish8732]

he was still a crazy murderhobo who worshiped an evil blood cult and kidnapped people and murdered maidens etc.

[@sreeharipradeep]

i will destroy the final boss fist only. Make sure of it

[@acedias12]

Whelp, you're not the only one who strongly assumed Mogh was the culprit over bare minimum evidence.

[@dragonquest8ftw1]

Another scary thing to consider is in that area where St Trina was left, there's a cross there where Miquella has been leaving parts of himself, in that particular cave was his ability to love, a spirit there even remarks on this, that was the one thing he shouldn't have abandoned. He's become a god incapable of love and compassion, he's promising something he can no longer do himself, so now he has no compassion or love for anyone, not even his consort that he's brainwashed or his sister that fought to the death for him.

[@rkfakes]

but in miquellas eyes, his love for anyone or anything doesnt matter, because as long as he can spread his compassion for every living being to love him, the world will be peaceful anyways, no matter what he would do.

[@jaieregilmore971]

Feels like Miquella is like Makima who wanted to save the world but doesn’t understand love or compassion at all.

[@EtGemitusMortis]

It makes him an interesting foil to Ranni, I think, being like this. Ranni didn't have to abandon her whole self to become the God of the next age with us as consort. She never puts us under her control, like Miquella did to his own followers (not even his most loyal one being exempt), She lets us choose to follow her if we wish, while Iji, Blaidd, and even Seluvis (eck) follows of their own free will and choices for whatever it is they desire. The loyalty is all organic. While Miquella compelled all these people to be his loyal band of followers until his rune was shattered. And, yes, most do just go "Well, I'll follow him anyway", but man ... His age would be one of Control, when he can put anyone and everyone under his charm, and resetting a system clearly broken and unsustainable. Whilst Ranni brings in a different system, one where people cannot interact with their God, and thus while making an uncertain age, is still one of free will ultimately. Don't get me wrong, they're both morally dubious, but I think this shows at least on some level Fromsoft was pointing to the Age of the Stars being the better ending out of the ones in the base game...

[@natethegamergaming4057]

@@EtGemitusMortis As much as I don't like Ranni for straight up killing a man for what seemed like no reason. You have a point. She never manipulated anyone to such an extent.

[@zinnia4516]

When Miquella divulged his love, it was specifically his love of self that he discarded. He is still clearly able to love Radahn and showing compassion to an entire kingdom clearly communicates love. Saint Trina seeks to protect Miquella from the bondage of being a deity, that is self-love. Miquella had to let go of what was good for himself to obtain the power to serve everyone in his kingdom. Clearly he has sacrificed all to obtain compassion.

[@GassyMask]

First, he's infected with super cancer by Malenia because he doesn't want to marry his half-brother. Then, he spends who know's how long suffering from the scarlet rot only to finally get the glorious death he wanted. He's then brought back to life and enslaved to fight for something he doesn't want, Radahn can't catch a break.

[@rosesweetcharlotte]

And he loses his horse

[@axe6597]

@@rosesweetcharlotte EXACTLY!

[@cam_i_corn2994]

@@GassyMask he gets a glorious death but I don’t think Radahn wanted to die. He knew he had to stay alive or miquella would use his body. The redmanes and the festival are misguided by their love for battle not understanding miquella has them right where he wants them.

[@MrAlek1988]

​@@cam_i_corn2994 except he didn't use his body, only his soul. The body you see is Moghs

[@Tigerhearty]

This is truly rAy pe, soul and body.

[@elricmon2099]

I think that Miquella wanting Radahn as consort (and Radahn refusing) can be a good reason for Malenia to do that journey to Caelid and fight him

[@Hazzy994]

It’s if you check radahn helmet it tells us what malenia said to radahn during the trailer

[@dragonquest8ftw1]

There was a whole lot of speculation going on between Malenia and Radahn. Was it for Radahn's great rune? No, because Malenia came across Godrick and yet spared him when she had no reason to. Was she hunting for Miquella that Mohg absconded with? No, turns out Miquella was actually at the battle with Malenia as mentioned by Freyja. As it turns out, the Miquella deliberately targeted Radahn all along and set Malenia on him to subdue him. Poor sod, from honoured general to scarlet zombie to reanimated puppet at the hands of a monster.

[@ThatWhichLurkss]

They made a vow mate, that's why he is a promissed consort

[@dragonquest8ftw1]

@@ThatWhichLurkss and so he should have his will and desires removed because he decided he didn't want any part of Miquellas puppet show?

[@finlaytemple1744]

@@dragonquest8ftw1 that's the literal opposite of what he said mate

[@colins9932]

Honestly the largest Red flag for knowing Radahn is a victim and didn’t want to hold true to his vow any longer…is the fact he never so much as makes a sound in his fight as consort. Not a yell, not a grunt of exertion, not a gasp of pain, not even a word for his fellow warrior of battle. Fighting his scarlet rot self he sounds like a wounded animal his mind is gone but his body is still “alive” and reactive. Here? He’s nothing but a puppet, filled with a lords soul, but that lord is broken and controlled.

[@2009samiy]

youtube mary and jesus in the quran and mohmmad in the bible and the Torah and the scientific miracles of the quran and mohmmad in hindu scripture … according the bible that you have (Matthew 4:1) Jesus was tempted (James 1:13) God doesn't get tempted (John 1:29) Jesus was seen (1 John 4:12) No man has ever seen God (Acts 2:22) Jesus was and is a man, sent by God (Numbers 23:19, Hosea11:9) God is not a man (Hebrews 5:8-9) Jesus had to grow and learn (Isaiah 40:28) God doesn't ever need to learn (1 Corinthians 15:3-4) Jesus dies (1 Timothy 1:17) God doesn't die (Hebrews 5:7) Jesus needed salvation (Luke 1:37) God doesn't need salvation (John 4:6) Jesus grew weary (Isaiah 40:28) God Doesn't grow weary (Mark 4:38) Jesus slept (Psalm 121:2-4) God doesn't sleep (John 5:19) Jesus isn't all powerful (Isaiah 45:5-7) God is all powerful (Mark 13:32) Jesus isn't all knowing (Isaiah 46:9) God is all knowing . ...................

[@cingkrayz1959]

​@@2009samiy, what does any of this have to do with anything?

[@Vagabond824]

​@@2009samiy Muhammad was a Child predator. How old was aisha? Christ is king.

[@ahkosorsomesaykosby9999]

@@cingkrayz1959 it's fiction ig

[@underplague6344]

He does make some small grunts in the fight i noticed, but they're very subtle, only happen when he's attacking, and are the same ones he makes in his rotted form.

[@vj7248]

"Don't worry Radahn, you don't have to think." - Miquella the Control Devil

[@tonydelia9998]

Miquella has the innocence of a child, and also the ignorance of a child.

[@illyria7756]

He is naive, being seduced by tgw exactly like his mom, he would just renew the same broken system instead of exiting it.

[@tonydelia9998]

@illyria7756 He doesn't seem to grasp the concept of what he's doing. In my head Canon, Radahn refused Miquellas request to become his Consort and this drove Miquella kinda mad (Like in Berserker when guts leaves the Band of the Hawk, Griffith is shocked). So Miquella sent Malenia to kill him so he could become a Puppet for Miquella. Also I imagine Mohg was easy to manipulate since he's a Omen who grew up in a sewer and just desired affection at the end of the day. Now that I look back what does Mohg even do that's bad. He takes Miquella seeming under Miquellas influence, he houses Albinaurics in his base who are a oppressed people and gives them a home, and all he does is attack Tarnished but I really don't blame him because we Tarnished are wretched creatures. Other than being the "Lord of Blood" and looking scary, what does he do that's evil?

[@illyria7756]

@@tonydelia9998 I even think Mohg tried to save Miq from being drained to death by the tree, corpse looks drained and why else would he be infusing blood into it..Miq could've called on him, whom else than the lord of blood, from the cocoon for help, maybe as Trina. Either that or Mohg was already hanging out at the haligtree to know Miq's situation, unless he heard it from some albinauric or other that came from there. Idk if the mind control of Mohg started then or before that, but this sounds like a plausible situation. Maybe the original plan was to transform inside the tree, but he would still have to go to the shadowlands to become a god right? If so, he knew he would need Mohg or another omen to get there, so maybe he had to change plans/speed things up when the tree-plan failed. For now, with the available info, I also think Miq doesn't fully understand what he's getting involved in, am not sure if he understands what damage he does with his manipulation/mind control, or if he even cares.

[@tamim9266]

@@tonydelia9998 Judging Mohg by his knight Ansbach, I would assume the real Mohg was more honorable, since Ansbach is one of the most honorable NPCs in all of Elden Ring. So the fact that Ansbach deeply wanted to avenge Mohg for being controlled by Miquella leads me to believe Mohg was a good leader that Ansbach respected greatly.

[@kampfer91]

Kid are cruel Jack , and Miquella is in touch with his inner child .

[@Crispy2Dispy]

Radahn really couldn't catch a break lol, from getting rotted and going insane to then having his soul yoinked immediately afterwards to get stuffed in mohg as a puppet.

[@julianswinton5355]

And that was done all by the empyrean twins.

[@nikolafeschiev3399]

Got std from the sister and then was hipnotised to be a consort by the brother

[@claus_al_aerth]

@@julianswinton5355 so that's why Malenia went after Radahn

[@zachariahbremer5667]

@@claus_al_aerth my theory is that malenia was charmed my Miquella to fight Radahn, just like Mohg was charmed to do Miquella’s bidding

[@claus_al_aerth]

@@zachariahbremer5667 I don't think Malenia was charmed, I fully believe she had complete faith in her brother, which, of course, makes this all the more heartbreaking.

[@fanlinazlepingouin387]

I am just so impressed with the fact that Radahn said "nope" to a future god and also the one who can manipulate everyone with his power. Such a gigachad move, which is normal coming from the bravest demi-god.

[@Casual_Nerd86]

@@fanlinazlepingouin387 I’d argue Morgott or Goodrick are the bravest

[@idkwhattotype511]

​@@Casual_Nerd86 godrick literally used a mimic veil to hide with the women during the siege of leyndell if I remember correctly.

[@Casual_Nerd86]

@@idkwhattotype511 true but he also had the balls to anger both malenia and radahn and others gotta be pretty brave to do that

[@neurotocksin3403]

@@Casual_Nerd86 thats more godrick being ignorant than brave

[@Casual_Nerd86]

@@neurotocksin3403 touché

[@SuperMaster000X]

My take is, Miquella really wanted to do the right thing, but he failed over and over again, fundamentalism, the three, the needle, Godwyn. So at one point, seeing so much pain he snaped, and went "ends justifice the means" and was going to force kindness to everyone no mather what. Maybe thats his fallen hero concept.

[@jaieregilmore971]

I think St Trina was his more heroic part of himself.

[@afonsius7907]

@@jaieregilmore971 St trina represented his ability to feel love, while his intentions were pure, he has lost himself of everything that made him human. He became just like his mother.

[@PeterDivine]

..."justifice"?

[@aperson6562]

@@PeterDivinethey meant jusitifies

[@jamesnorman9160]

The Crosses mark where he left parts of himself. Right up to his heart, his love/compassion (St Trina) and finally his fears and his Great Rune. After giving up all of that, he probably felt entirely justified in what he did. Or simply didn't care anymore. He just sounds so robotic in his battle dialogue.

[@diegosaez4885]

A few things to point out: * The Age of Compassion would not only be a matter of forcing everyone to love Miquella, but also to not be loved back by him. One of his cross footsteps states one thing he striped himself off of was love. All of creation would be forced to love a loveless god. * Not only Ansbach gives its reason to stop Miquella, but St. Trina aswell. She considers Miquella's ascension both a mistake and eternal damnation, where much like Marika would be shackled by divinity and unwittingly forced to be the realm's god whether he likes or not what occurs in the lives of others, and neither wishes that upon him nor consider him fitting to be a god. And once Miquella dies, St.Trina enters the eternal sleep. * Its also worth pointing out Metryl's rememberance description, where not only states she's the mother of all Two Fingers and the finger creepers, but also daughter of the Greater Will and the first celestial being to crashland the Lands Between, and she has failed to make contact with her progenitor since then. This implies any character who argues has made contact or communed with the Greater Will from the very beginning has been speaking with Metryl instead, and Metryl did it to obscure the Greater Will abandoning the world to preserve the believe in Them. And upon her defeat, she leaves this world through a microcosm, meaning now there's no-one to answer.

[@dylanr.cerezo4325]

My jaw dropped reading Metryls lore. Hell, that entire romp with Ymir.

[@van_tigranyan]

So Varre was right all along 😅

[@rauqui5318]

And by extension Mogh was right too, what a chad

[@Cnote1]

Ok say I believe this. The Elden beast was more than likely the second celestial body to crash land. Who is to say that it loast communication with the greater will immediately like Metryl did?

[@actualteddybear891]

I'm glad St. Trina isn't dead.

[@stubbornpotatogaming6220]

Radahn is a Chad fighting 2 battles in different fronts. Avoiding Miquella's plans in the Shadow Realm and Holding back the stars to avoid Ranni's plan

[@panzerotto-8-]

and also avoiding space monsters to land in the lands between

[@reagenlionel]

I dont think he was holding back the stars to undermine ranni specifically. Think Ranni was colateral, cause she wasnt the only ones fate he halted, and by his title of star scourge, was probably dealing witht hose star beasts and star fallen as well. Alot of things done werent for just a singular purpose he didnt learn gravity magic ONLY for Lenard for instance.

[@Damienx247]

Maybe he was holding back the stars to keep Miquella in permanent hibernation so he wouldn't have to go through with the plan.

[@Hi-Hi1990]

Yeah... as if Ranni's plan to flush out the influence of the Golden Order and other Gods' influences was a bad thing. Bffr. Why do people love demonizing Ranni so much?

[@stubbornpotatogaming6220]

@@Hi-Hi1990 I've done Ranni's ending and still my choice of ending aside from the others. But from what I know, Everyone in Lands Between misunderstood Ranni's plan or some part of it. I mean, If you are a demi-god you are subjected to her plans, starting with the killing of Godwyn. Radahn holding back the stars is more personal. I mean if you would be erased or far removed from your sovereignty why wouldn't you fight back? For the inhabitants of Lands Between and by extension the Realm of Shadows, Ranni's plan is Good. as no god, outer god, or demi god can meddle or intervene with their lives. A true free will. But no one knows it aside the player tarnished.

[@ThisNameIsBanned]

Michela also has an instant-death attack stealing your heart. Thats giving the phrase "Killed by compassion" a new meaning.

[@abydosianchulac2]

I don't understand how this attack works in lore. Part of the whole thing is that we Tarnished can't truly die because Grace won't let us go. But then how do we resurrect and restart the fight if we're still alive?

[@TheSlayerr99]

@@abydosianchulac2 how do we resurrect if we are killed by Maliketh? It’s just the gameplay, don’t need to look too deep into that

[@unipachu]

@@abydosianchulac2 The reason is the same as why your runes disappear if you die twice.

[@joshuakim5240]

@@abydosianchulac2 Canonically there are 2 instances where the death-respawn system aren't supposed to be working but do for gameplay purposes: Malikieth's fight and Miquella's grab attack. Basically, dying to either of these is just a splinter timeline where we failed and are done for and the canonical fight is us not dying to either...which is hilariously ironic considering how difficult these 2 fights are.

[@pedrorodrigo9560]

@@joshuakim5240 Also Deathbligth, no?

[@BigBilly2009]

There is another piece of dialogue that is very important. It is when Ansbach dies during the final fight against Radahnella, he begs the Tarnished to kill Miquella and become a Lord not for Gods but for the Men. This explains why FromSoft did not add a new ending as in all base game endings, The Tarnished becomes a Lord without a God (as Marika is dead, and Ranni is half-dead) and the cycle of a God reigning with a Lord is broken.

[@AliEemanSamy-lf9gl]

Are you sure? Everyone calls the tarnished “marikas lord”. The age of fractured ending shows the tarnished putting Maria back together and her elden ring start to glow again inside her. I think the implication is that tarnished was able to restore marika and become. Her lord.

[@MalikCustoms123]

@@AliEemanSamy-lf9gl They mostly call us the Lord of the Erdtree rather than Marika's Lord. And the current state of Marika is that she is fractured in every ending besides Stars and Frenzy. Marika as she is now is just a stone vessel for the Elden Ring. We can't restore her back ,only mend the Elden Ring inside of her.

[@ShadeStormXD]

i dont think marikas dead, just imprisoned, shackled. we just become her third elden lord while shes forced to remain shackled for her crimes against the greater will

[@MalikCustoms123]

@@ShadeStormXD Marika can't influence us so we're left alone as a Lord without the Commands of a God. A Lord of Men we turn out to be in the Mendings. We take a plight of man for better (Goldmask/Fia) or for worse (Dung Eater) and establish a new order where the Golden Order is upturned.

[@KhangNguyen-ij4xh]

@@AliEemanSamy-lf9glthey jumped to the conclusion. After all how the fuck would they know Marika is dead, or the Tarnished is lord of the Carian Princess or the Tarnished is trying to peg everyone alongside the Fecal Feaster?

[@INTCUWUSIUA]

Miquella and Ranni, and the orders they envision, are set up as perfect narrative foils. Miquella's order is one of compelled compassion, one of enslavement to love. Ranni's order is cold, terrifying and bereft of any visible divinity, and yet it is also freedom from the golden order and the outer gods. There's also something to be said for the fact that most of Ranni's allies join her of their own volition (except Blaidd, who was made to be loyal), while almost all of Miquella's allies had to be compelled to join him (except Malenia, who was always loyal).

[@rosesweetcharlotte]

Melania was also sick and so obsessed that it feels unhealthy

[@HJSDGCE]

Blaidd was even made to *betray* Ranni, should she go against the Two Fingers. And she did. She got rid of her Empyrean body because she knew that so long as she was an Empyrean, the Two Fingers would still have power over her. But despite no longer being an Empyrean, despite now being enemies with the Two Fingers, Blaidd stayed loyal to her.

[@Athropod101]

@@HJSDGCE Yup. That’s the beauty of Blaidd. Sure, he was made to be loyal, but he was also made to betray. Yet when betrayal came, Blaidd tried so hard to fight back that be became mad in the end.

[@scpinformationandinvolveme6079]

Ranni is why Godwyn was killed, and Godwyn dosent lose, Fortissax certified, L + Ratio Ranni is as bad as the twink.

[@pixiedust1383]

is it confirmed that melania wasn't charmed by miquella? cause i think she was

[@martonszentkiralyi2251]

St Trina isn’t an affliction, quite the opposite, a very benevolent part of Miquella’s soul who didn’t want his other half to be a god and asked us to end his misery. Her corruption only started when Miquella abandoned and likely injured her, the deep purple dew is her blood. Trina’s dew is for those who are weary of life according to Thiolier, which in the context of the base game is very benevolent, blissfull sleep forever,basically euthanasia(Maybe her dew was the “cure” for Malenia all along) . Her magic also has a soothing effect according to cut content, it can make the merchants feel better, they play her lullaby. She can help those Miquella can’t, and with her he abandoned his fears,doubts,and love. Without her Miquella is hollow or changed, its realy the part of him he shouldn’t have abandoned

[@Xelemich]

there is also a golden cross just before Her. "Here I leave my love" and a spirit nearby "Oh miquella, I know what you done, You shouldn't have abandoned that part of you, How do you will help those who wants to be saved?"

[@Edmitsu]

The quote is “oh Miquella you’ve abandoned that which you never should have. How can salvation you offer if you can’t even offer salvation to your other self?

[@Toralian89]

He charms everyone with love. Yet cut off his ability to love\care. Becoming a true monster.

[@mayer2630]

A absolutely agree with this take, if it's a plague just like malenia's rot, then why it's can be discarded that easily? That's not consistent if that's that easy, I think the act of discarding St. Trina is a sacrificial act that needed for him to be a God, it's a valuable part of Miquella's being after all, as the Spirit NPC says where he discard St. Trina, that He discarded his Love there, A part that must not be discarded at any circumstances. And I think that miquella throw away St. Trina because She opposes the very idea of Miquella being a god, just like she said that godhood is a prison for Miquella I think this is just a running Duality Theme that's going on like marika/radagon - - - - - Also the part where Jake says that Radahn has an affliction for Conflict/war-seeking, I think is a stretch, but an interesting idea

[@retardtoad211]

I like the point you made abt st Trina being removed means miquellas fears, doubts, and love, because if Miquella became a god and brought about his age of compassion, nobody would have true free will, only blindly following Miquella

[@jarrettbattle9295]

I really wanted Miquella to be a good guy, and it turns out that he was just as twisted as the rest of his family. He doesn’t even refer to Malenia as ‘beloved sister,’ but rather ‘my loyal blade.’

[@rosesweetcharlotte]

He seems like the worst.

[@quanlinglingdingle6122]

Miquella : "i will make a better future...but worse than my mom's way"

[@woofytop6078]

@@rosesweetcharlotte rykard is easily the worst one but yea miquellas up there.

[@_Tzer]

everyone gets worse after their mom/dad/whateverthefucktheyare broke the great ring.. miquella was making a tree homeless shelter with his own blood and tryna res godwyn at first.

[@breadeats]

like mother, like son. Props to ranni and frenzy flame thou, both are at least honest.

[@thegooddoctor8787]

What always bothered me about Miquella's plan was how it seemed set up to fail. Sure, you could enslave the entire Lands Between with heart-stealing charms, sure you can replace the Elden Ring with your own golden circlet, sure you can resurrect the strongest demigod and make him your puppet, but in the end how long can it last? The scarlet rot will still contaminate Caelid, the deathroot will still spread through stormveil, Maliketh will still hold the Rune of Death and Marika will still be a god. Even if, by some miracle Miquella managed to contain all those issues, how long could he keep it up? People hate being controlled, and all it takes is one willful Tarnished to bring the whole thing crashing down. That's when i realized though, how being doomed to fail was the entire point. Miquella, despite being hundreds of years old, is still an angry spoiled child throwing a fit because the world doesn't suit him. He's trying to force his flawed, ultimately futile plan onto the world, ignoring or ignorant to all the consequences it will bring.

[@ghastlyanarchy1720]

Bingo. Apparently, eternal youth also means eternal naivety.

[@DracoSafarius]

@@ghastlyanarchy1720 Seems like it. Got babied constantly by Malenia which hampers growth, seeks a way out of his childlike form but fails so he moves to (bad) drastic measures, latches on to using the strongest chess piece in Radahn, and learns nothing all the while.

[@Eric6761]

The thing is, it could still work, Miquella could take over Maliketh and use him to kill the Elden Beast or is what I think since Miquella doesn't think that far

[@dtanddtl]

My read is that Marika isn't a god after the player character fights the elden beast. I interpreted that as severing her connection to being a god (as well as killing her). Maliketh isn't necessarily hostile towards Miquella, he's literally his nephew, and Marika explicitly told her kids to make something of themselves, such as by succeeding her, so he could easily recognise that claim. The deathroot and those who live in death just want to be recognised as having the right to (un)live as they are (at least according to Fia's faction), like yeah Godwyn might have some designs on godhood, but that doesn't necessarily mean he'd be more powerful than Miquella and Radahn, after all Marika seems to have managed to stop anyone from taking her godhood until long after she put in effort to sabotage her own divinity. The rot has explicitly been defeated before, by the blind swordsman in blue, and while sure the lake of rot was festering under liurnia, that seems more like something that wasn't dealt with by Marika due to not knowing about it during her reign. Miquella also had already designed the needle of unalloyed gold which held the rot at bay for Malenia even while he was a demigod, he possibly could stop the rot completely no that he was a god. "All it takes is one wilful tarnished" is also ignoring the implication of decades of tarnished turning up to the lands between after being guided there by grace, and almost none making it close to becoming the new elden lord, the best attempt before the player character was Vyke, who made it to the giant's crucible, but didn't defeat Maliketh (possibly because he didn't try to after going mad) I also disagree with the primary claim of this video, Miquella tells Radahn that he's fulfilling his part of a vow to Radahn, which really seems to imply that radahn and he were in cahoots on the god/king's consort thing. While I'm arguing, I may as well also say that Miquella seems to have used his powers in ways that are as non-evil as possible given its mind control. For instance all his follower npcs still like him fine even without enchantment, and more than half are still willing to fight on his side, but now they're more murder happy. Leda uncharmed wants to purge those who aren't as zealous, Hornsent is an ex serial killer (potentate) who is so out for blood that even after killing Messmer with you he ends up attacking the player character if they helped him, Freya wants Radahn to fight endless wars, which feels like a negative thing to me, and Thiollier is depressed and in love with the image of St Trina so much he is fine with killing himself to see her. Thiollier is only willing to help kill Miquella because St Trina says that Miquella will be imprisoned by divinity, implying that he'd be miserablew as a god, that he isn't throwing a tantrum, but is willing to sacrifice his own happiness (and love and arms and body) for the greater good. Ansbach is the only one who has actual beef with Miquella's actions, and even then he says that Miquella probably didn't realise that Mohg getting possessed after death would be a big deal. And he still wants Leda to look after Miquella, even after Leda tries to bloody kill him, cause he doesnt hate Mieuella, he's just scared of how powerful he is, and how much harm he *could* cause. Ansbach does blame Miquella's enchantment for Mohg's death as well... I think. He doesn't care that you killed Mohg since you were both after the throne, but its unclear if he thinks Mohg was only after the throne because of Miquella, or if he thinks Mohg would have been the successful heir to the throne if it were not for the enchantment. I don't endorse orchestrating your half(ish) brother's death to use his corpse to resurrect your other half(ish) brother, but it seems like Miquella really did need a consort seeing as he doesnt have a corporeal body after his ascension, and of the options for fixing the world, well Ranni's also involved her killing one of her half brothers, Godwyn's involved being the half brotehr who was killed, Goldmask's doesn't actually fix anything, just locks in the old prejudices as being unchanging eternally, and Dungeater/ Frenzy Flame aren't even trying to make the world better, just trying to fuck shit up. (i read the frenzy flame as a mischaracterisation of anarchy which is a bit sad, but oh well). The age of shattering ending also doesn't seem like you fix anything much, like there's almost no one left in the lands between who's still sane. Maybe the mages in Raya Lucaria and the exiles in Stormveil? but the latter still attack you on sight after your friend Nepheli has taken control of the castle. The misbegotton in castle Morne aren't likely to accept a new elden lord, seeing as their slavery was legal under the last lord. I'm not sure you accomplish anything by winning elden ring that way.

[@Ummthatoneplace]

@dtanddtl A lot got said there, and I don't know nearly enough about the lore to address most of it. But I did want to address one thing regarding the "vow" between Radahn and Miquella, or at least how I interpret it. Rather than a vow made between the two as vow is usually used as a sort of binding oath within the lore, a promise was made between a younger sibling and an older sibling, something akin to "when I grow up will you marry me / be my consort", a simple promise made by a child and easy to agree to as when the time comes situations and feels would have changed to the point it never needs to even be addressed. However, Miquella cursed with the eternal youth did not grow out of that phase, and did not forget. It was a promise, it was a vow. And thus Radahn is both an uninterested and unwilling participant but also "fulfilling his vow".

[@ianthorpe1925]

"JUST GET IN THE JAR!!" - Horn guys(probably)

[@your_neko]

These jars are the most repugnant thing in Elden Ring, to my taste. And I don't understand why.

[@joshuakim5240]

Hornsent: "Let's stuff these Numen things into jars after whipping and chopping them up. What's the worst that can happen?" Marika: *unleashes Messmer in a Doomslayer level spite crusade of death and destruction*

[@noamias4897]

@@joshuakim5240Hornsent: Why would she betray us like this what did we ever do???

[@discipleofdagon8195]

@@joshuakim5240 Still wondering who Messmer's father is. The M-start of the name alludes to Marika and Radagon's kids... but given Messmer is part snake I'm thinking she banged a snake to make him... after all that's literally how Rya was made and would make sense why snakes are hated by the golden order. Its a cover-up, just like keeping Messmer in the land of shadow.

[@_____Shadow_____]

@@discipleofdagon8195 I believe Messmer’s Base Serpent comes from the pure hatred she felt for the Hornsent, staining him from birth, while I also believe Godwyn isn’t really Godfrey’s son, instead I believe he is Messmer’s twin, who instead inherited the light, it would not really make sense for 2 of Godfrey’s children to be afflicted by the crucible to not afflict Godwyn, so I believe he is also Radagon’s child, Messmer’s twin

[@chrono_s9699]

This "put Mogh under some type of spell" is the heart steal mechanic you see in the fight against the final boss of the dlc and you get "Heart Stolen" instead of "You Died". Which also affected Ansbach when he challenged Miquella.

[@THELASTMASTA]

I know for a fact that if Radahn was truly in control, he would have at least said something like "Hey, tarnished. Thanks for killing me. You're a real one. Too bad I have to stop you now."

[@DarkMagicianMan20]

Miquella and St.Trina just solved the whole Marika and Radagon double gender thing.

[@gameframeinc.3389]

How?

[@abdieljove2011]

@@gameframeinc.3389What do you mean how? It literally proves empyreans can have two personalities with diferent genders, looks and even diferent goals. And they can split apart.

[@Swoleson_Rebel]

@@gameframeinc.3389 how is it not clear?

[@asonofhoruslegionary]

@@abdieljove2011 then I wonder what Malania or Ranni’s other persona is

[@riishiraja1000]

@@asonofhoruslegionary those two likely don't. It seems to be a willing process of Empyreans who want to discard a part of themselves as it does not align with their goals.

[@topdeckhelix8450]

So Radahn is Guts and when he said no to Miquella’s proposal he pulled a Griffith and went off the rails, sacrificing his body and soul for his dream.. damnit Miyazaki you Berserked us again.

[@KaiserBrasil]

So true LMFAO

[@miguelhernandez3730]

i thought exactly the same. the simmilarities are there. poor guts and radahn they deserved better

[@bernoulli7]

i thought about it too. it’s very similar

[@micoddwarrior]

No wonder I like Radahn

[@joshuakim5240]

Radahn was giant Guts and Miquella was shota Griffith the entire time. Berserk'd again my Miyazaki!

[@TheWindBlack]

Bro what the fuck, Marika did Messmir so damn dirty. You order your son to cleanse the hornsent then go "Uh oh...twitters not gonna like this one" then trap him in a shadow realm without him knowing where you went, pretending like you did nothing. What kind of woman does that?

[@Casual_Nerd86]

A goddess (no joke almost every major goddess from a major mythology does something fucked up to a kid even their own)

[@xyzak47-pl]

@@Casual_Nerd86 Why are the gods so vicious cunts? Where are the gods of tits, and wine? - Tyrion Lannister, most fameous dwarf in the world, who drinks and knows things.

[@sidacimiz1909]

Ofc Jake flexed about his "Radahn is a main character" video lol

[@agtjake]

🍷

[@He-who-wakes]

Maintaining the agenda is our top priority

[@ericwalker6477]

@@agtjakeI wasn’t too happy with the ending but after watching this it makes a lot more sense and enjoyable. I just wanted to see Marikas origins like in the trailer but she’s in the Erdtree so I get it

[@DatAsianGuy]

@@ericwalker6477 Miyazaki himself said that Radahn is his favorite character or implied so at least. It makes sense that Radahn in many ways takes center stage, besides characters like Marika or Radagon.

[@jprec5174]

@@DatAsianGuy Definitely Radahn is the Isshin of Elden Ring. Both were forced to comply with a wish that went against their beliefs.

[@ChitzenItza42]

People who haven't gotten to the final boss of the DLC: "Man there sure are a lot of Radahn thumbnails in my timeline, wonder what that's about."

[@jonhprime777]

I'm sorry Radahn, i didn't know it.

[@shawnathan89]

All this time we thought Mogh was the Moghlester, only find out he was Miquellested the whole time...." 😅

[@tena210]

Regarding how Miquella used Mohg to reach the Land of Shadow, maybe all Omen are connected to the Land of Shadow somehow via their relation to the hornsent?

[@MalikCustoms123]

The Wraiths that haunt the Omen are the same color as the Scadutree Avatar's holy attacks and the spirits are said to be smiling elders from the Omenkiller mask. The Hornsent haunt the Omen.

[@shadexvii3975]

@@MalikCustoms123there’s also a horned Bairn, which further strengthens the Omen Hornsent connection

[@MalikCustoms123]

@@shadexvii3975 Yes! The resentment and hatred of the Hornsent haunt the Omen! Like how the Order leaks into the Land of Shadow, the Shadow leaks into the Order.

[@you_laser]

I’ve realized from this dlc that miquella is the opposite of kind When Radhan didn’t want to become a puppet he sent malenia to kill him. And when she “failed” he left her to literally rot while he manipulated what now seems like a pretty good guy in mohg to use his copse as a doorway to the land of shadow and stuff radahn into. Miquella is basically a manipulative asshole who thinks it’s okay to manipulate everyone to create a kind world against their wills

[@TheBlueKing10t]

Actually Mohg was only charmed when he GRABBED the egg.

[@stinkmonger]

I was left behind, and only Kindly Miquella was enough to seek me out. My wound was swollen and festering - exuding a most pungent odour - and yet he drained the poison from it. -freyja

[@stinkmonger]

If you actually bother to read text and listen to dialogue yourself instead of just agreeing with illiterate vaati wannabes, you'd learn that miquella is actually nuanced.

[@brotheroblivion]

Ansbach quickly became one of my favorite npcs in the souls series.

[@sreeharipradeep]

gigachad

[@discipleofdagon8195]

He's tied for me with Igon... That man is sheer will incarnate

[@spideerman83]

Ansbach and Igon.!

[@bigmanthere2]

the crazy thing is - he held the stars to hold miquella's fate, even when he was a zombie. he didnt want to be king consort by absolutely any means, even if it meant dying from the sheer power it requires to hold up the stars

[@Kalito661]

As a child of caria he didnt hold miquellas fate... he hold the stars for his own fate.

[@Mario-SunshineGalaxy64]

The stars didn’t hold Miquella’s fate, I think. From everything there is in the game it’s the Carians that are most influenced by the stars, and it’s still unclear exactly why Radahn halted the stars. It could be to stop his own fate, or Ranni’s, or it was under the command of the Golden Order to weaken the Carians, it’s not entirely certain.

[@JWalker444]

​@@Mario-SunshineGalaxy64 the description of the Amber Starlight item says "If the stars command our fates, then amber-hued stars must command the fates of the gods. Such is the belief that inspired the use of these shards to prepare a most special draught"

[@Zhtrik]

@@Mario-SunshineGalaxy64 I like to think it’s a little of Column A and B. He held the stars because he did not wish to be Miquella’s Consort and because he cared for his sister Ranni and didn’t want her to leave when the Age of Stars came.

[@tunglamle1860]

@@Mario-SunshineGalaxy64 if you read the description of the finger mother rememberance, it is mentioned that the mother of finger is daughter of the greater will and also the first shooting star that fell on lands between. So I think that radahn's holding back the star is an order he got from marika because she afraid that the gods will send their children to lands between again to seek for someone to replace her.

[@Lena-de2ws]

I have a theory about how Miquella was so sure about his godhood. Because in his memory he says I am going to be God. Not I will be a God. So he is very very certain. And wants a promise. But why he can be so certain while he has 2 rivals? Or we can add 2 more. Gloam Eyed Queen and Empyrean Grandam. Because he saw his fate in the stars. Do you remember the amber starlight for Seluvis quest? We found this starlight in a hiding place. That place name is Saint Trina's Hideout in cut content. And we find Miquella's statue in there. Furthermore, the draught Seluvis made has 2 features. The draught is nectar-sweet and has a charm even capable of slave a demi-god. These features are belongs to both Saint Trina and Miquella. "Goodness gracious, the way it glistens...utterly enchanting. To think, this was once a demigod's very fate... My oh my oh my...." Miquella saw this star and told this to Radahn and wanted promise. Radahn exactly knew what can be happen if Miquella become God. So he trained himself for gravity and stopped the stars for Miquella's fate. He never wanted to be a slave to a God.

[@DracoSafarius]

I don't think the gravity stuff was because of Miquella (seems to be a thing Radahn learned in his youth before Miquella was born, or at least was SUPER young), but you seem dead on with the rest. Seluvis learns that Miquella devised an essential brainwashing potion capable of affecting even the strongest willed people which basically confirms Radahn did not want any part of his whole plan.

[@kurwinoxjanusz5374]

​​@@DracoSafariusI would say Radahn went o to a war with the stars to protect Sellia, but completely stopped them later to prevent his and accidentally, Ranni's fate. Makes sense now for me

[@armintor2826]

Wait Grandam is an Empyrean?

[@Lena-de2ws]

She was an Empyrean. :D The Watchful Spirit incantation was saying that she was, but in the last patch they changed the text to 'Hornsent Grandam'. I don't know why they did that.

[@bgill7475]

He says "a god", not "God". Watch it again.

[@MutantHeadcrab]

"And I shall not be dark, but beautiful and terrible as the Morning and the Night! Fair as the Sea and the Sun and the Snow upon the Mountain! Dreadful as the Storm and the Lightning! Stronger than the foundations of the earth. All shall love me and despair!”"

[@MutantHeadcrab]

Miyazaki said that they took the Demigods as written by Martin and corrupted them, taking what they were and making them MORE. Perhaps Miquella the Kind would have once been an ideal god to replace Marika, but no longer. His order would only lead to stagnation of it's own, albeit a spiritual stagnation. Love can fester, and rot, like any other emotion; could the souls of mortal men withstand eternal, never-ending love?

[@lauraheffner5342]

OH MY GOD!!!!!! THAT WAS EXACTLY WHAT I THOUGHT WHE I FIRST READ MIQUELLA'S COMPLETED STORY!!!!!!!!!!!! ESPECIALLY "all shall love me and despair". What a wonderful way to show what Galadriel COULD have been

[@viniluna6562]

cold af comment

[@FistOfKhonshu-m7v]

Bro was such a sigma he held the entire galaxy in place so he couldn't simp Edit: If you are gonna compare Radahn to 40k characters, don't you ever bring up that Geek Traitor Magnus over my GOAT Leman Russ

[@miguelhernandez3730]

lol good one

[@AlucardHellsing-ct4ej]

My believe is that Radahn was just not gay

[@MammalianCreature]

@@AlucardHellsing-ct4ej Nah, he could have railed St Trina if that were the case. Radahn just had a hankering for the flames of war, not the warmth of another being.

[@AlucardHellsing-ct4ej]

@@MammalianCreature True, it was part of his culture, the Shattering was all he wanted, War, not to be a Lord. Intresting thing, Radahn reminds me of Magnus The Red

[@SleepingSage308]

@@AlucardHellsing-ct4ej I've always said the same thing. Not just appearance but story wise as well. Especially after the DLC. Aside from Magnus trying to avoid (extensive) war pre fall, the parallels are so similar its uncanny. It doesn't help that on every single playthrough, Blaidd (who reminds me of a more wolven Russ) is the only person that ever survives the fight against him.

[@thefool94]

Like that ghosty guy said; miquella should not have abandoned his love there. Probably important to hold on to that one.

[@GodChaos333]

When facing the boss and figuring out what he did. It really gives off. No free will vibes. Rhadann doesnt even say anything at all. And where is his beloved leonard? He wouldn't just forgot about his horse. He stuck with leonard even when insane from scarlet rot. I cannot believe he is of sound mind.

[@abdieljove2011]

I mean, I agree he isn’t of sound mind, but Leonard not being there has nothing to do with it. Miquella grabbed Radahn’s soul and stuffed it into Mohg’s corpse to revive him. Leonard wasn’t gonna just teleport there lol

[@denizseyhan1053]

​@@abdieljove2011Why didn't he press R to summon Leonard?

[@arealhumanbean3058]

​@@abdieljove2011 If miquella really cared about Radahn, he would stuff leonard's soul into a random horse (not like he has a problem with unnecessary murder considering the Caelid situation)

[@AndrewRyan-zv7zb]

Even if he was brainwashed, it was still good to see Radahn uncorrupted by the Rot.

[@AndrewBelmont-]

Miquella is literally just like how Griffith is portrayed in Berserk. Looks angelic, radiant, good and seemingly pure but underneath it all lies the devils face and evil incarnate. Meanwhile, Guts looks scary and seemingly evil on the outside but on the inside he is one of the only good human beings left trying to save people for real. At least we get to see what a prime Radahn would look like and get to fight him even though he isn't himself sadly.

[@ceenewe]

Let’s see the final boss as a way to free General Radahn’s soul once and for all and avenge what Miquella did to Lord Mogh. Even if they were our enemies, what Miquella did to them, our allies, and the entire Lands Between is unforgivable. This is the equivalent of our Eclipse.

[@MaskedEmperor18]

Both of them do things without consent lol

[@thecour8379]

Nice to see Berserk fans, since this game's maker is a H U G E fan of it lol.

[@restlessGuy69]

St Trinas dialogue is also important since she wants us to kill Miquella so he isn’t trapped

[@xXDark0sXx]

For context if anyone remembers: As far as i know, if you do the Ranni ending, she says the same line when Miquella tries to take your heart, but in Ranni's case we actually follow her by our own volition, and she accept us because she truly appreciate the Tarnish after all he did, from someone who served her to the true meaning of accepting you as consort. Plus, Ranni will actually give men free will, void of the influences of gods, so that men can't reach godhood, and gods cant temper the mortal realm as they want. The only paid price is to Ranni and you being alone for eternity.

[@jaieregilmore971]

Honestly prefer Ranni ending over the others considering rest the endings just leaves the world as it is or in a worst state. At least with the age of the star people decided their own fate without the gods meddlings.

[@xlgapelsin6173]

@@jaieregilmore971 could argue gold mask aswell since his rune is made to "seal" the ring so it can't be tempered with by men or gods

[@masterdna117]

I think the flame of frenzy is the canon ending, because they didnt touch on melina's "im going to kill you with my new look". Elden Ring 2 maybe?

[@xXDark0sXx]

@@masterdna117 More than cannon ending, i mentionned Ranni's ending because of the dialogues you face with miquella, regarding the "forced" love of Miquella vs the "organic" way the game makes it for Ranni. Or you could say... you simped enough that Ranni likes and marries you.

[@Ron_Jambo_]

Ranni had her own brother murdered and plunged the Lands Between into chaos, everything bad that happened including everything Miquella has dine is HER FAULT. STUPID SIMPS

[@isaacfoley6728]

I fucking knew miquella was a giant Griffith reference none of my friends believed me

[@rosesweetcharlotte]

Seems sort of obvious in retrospect

[@Catwomans_Belt]

i'm so sorry radahn and mohg. we *didn't know*

[@aayushdasgupta9754]

We were unfortunately charmed by the malicious femboy.

[@TonyValdezCeballos]

​@@aayushdasgupta9754femboy sounds somewhat like Femto

[@justjames391]

​@@aayushdasgupta9754and egged on in believing in him after beating the rotussy

[@consumerjtc5835]

@@aayushdasgupta9754 *HEART STOLEN*

[@aayushdasgupta9754]

@@TonyValdezCeballos I still don't think Miquella is a Griffith copy. But yea, the means used by the two are very very similar. However Femto is just completely devoid of emotions. I don't think Miquella is devoid of emotions.

[@delta_1632]

So here's what I think the timeline went like: In their youth Miquella asked Radahn to make that vow to become his king consort. I believe Redahn accepted, since his name in the final fight is promised consort, implying a promise was made. Now if Radahn made that promise willingly/or due to Miquella's charm is another matter. This vow stood tall until Miquella got disillusioned with the golden order due to it not being able to cure his and Malenia's affliction. Miquella turned his back on the golden order, Radahn stood by it and now they were on opposite sides. Radahn now doesn't want to keep up the vow. Miquella tries to manipulate Radahn with his charms, however Radahn due to being from the Raya Lucarian royalty has his fate tethered to the stars, so by halting their movements he can resist the kind of enchantment Mogh and everyone was under. I believe that is the reason Radahn originally challenged the stars. So Malenia is sent to fight Radahn in order to make him keep the vow. She nukes Caelid in the process, but doesn't succeed, since Radahn manages to not only survive, but keep living with the help of his great rune keeping the scarlet Rot from killing him. The tragedy here is, Radahn even in what is basically his death manages to hold on and keep Miquella's plan from succeeding, until we come along and go through the events of the Redahn festival. The rest is explained ingame already. Mogh gets brainwashed by Miquella and forced to bring him to Mohgwyn palace, where we kill him like Miquella wanted, becoming probably the most tragic character in the entire game in the process. Miquella puts Redahn's soul into the body and resurrect his Frankenstein's Redahn as the Consort that was promised so long ago.

[@onepiece666]

@@delta_1632 The part where Radahn stopped the stars to halt his destiny, as part of the Carian royal family, is a really good aspect and very interesting since it shows how he is extremely intelligent, and seems way more likely to be why he did that than to stop the falling stars beasts and similar from invading, and screwing Ranni’s destiny

[@ShadeStormXD]

i think this is supported more too with the form radahn takes. from the remembrancr weapons, this radahn is fashioned to radahn around the time that he challenged the stars. So potentially the version of Radahn that truly was the Promised Consort

[@Oknahidwin]

You perfectly got the lore right. Everything here makes sense

[@iamalex.7131]

I like that theory but can you elaborate on this part: "Miquella tries to manipulate Radahn with his charms, however Radahn due to being from the Raya Lucarian royalty has his fate tethered to the stars, so by halting their movements he can resist the kind of enchantment Mogh and everyone was under. I believe that is the reason Radahn originally challenged the stars." Like how does Radahn holding the starts keep him from being charmed exactly? And do you mean his "fate" is linked to the promise and by him holding the stars he simultainously puts his "fate to become the promised consort" on hold? I hope I understood that correctly.

[@delta_1632]

@@iamalex.7131 So from the game we learn that the fate of Raya Lucarian Royalty is tethered to the stars. Due to this in Ranni's questline for example her fate is at a complete standstil, even extending to the physical like not being able to discover Nokstella, no matter what is tried. Miquella charming/brainwashing a person could be said to alter the persons fate, as all their decisions will either be decided by or at least influenced heavily by Miquella, like in Mogh's case. So I am reasoning that Radahn halting his own fate through the stars could fight off Miquella's enchantment to where it just doesn't take hold as long as he can keep the stars contained. This doesn't need to be the case, maybe Miquella didn't want to use his abilities on Radahn out of respekt or love. But I think it gives a satisfying explanation to something that has been largely speculated about and somewhat of a mistery. As to what their fate actually is, just think of it as their potential future. As long as their fate is halted their future is out of reach since no progression is possible. In the simplest terms just think of them as a character in a novel and the fate being the author writing their story. When the author pauses their future also stays in limbo.

[@garyjonesii6156]

Melania versus Radahn was just a shotgun wedding

[@oliversmith2129]

It was an engagement party

[@Follower_of_Havel]

Malenia:Stay with my brother, just stay with him. Radahn: *NO*

[@discipleofdagon8195]

and somehow the anthrax-coated pellets didn't kill Radahn. It just made him angrier

[@williamgeorge3111]

In that the groom was being threatened with a shotgun.

[@rkmugen]

0:07 That's not the look of fear and intimidation, intended for the player to feel. On the contrary, that's the look of outright terror Radahn feels when he learns of what Kindly Miquella has in store for him. (and that Leonard won't be around to save him).

[@facundovera3227]

It's a fanmade artwork.

[@mayer2630]

Also I noticed that I might understand why Miquella needs to throw away all his Body parts, and feelings, because all of those things maybe the reason that getting in the way of his plan, for age of "compassion" He discard his body, because it is the very product of golden order, just like ranni discarded her body, he needs to get rid of it and throughout the journey, not only the body, but he also throw anything that also might get it the way, -His doubt, a God needs no doubt (as found at cerulean coast) -his love (st. trina, who opposes Miquella's plan) (as found near st. trina) -and his fear (as found at enir ilim) this tells a story about even maybe miquella himself is doubting his own plan, and even fears for what to come, this is a great way from fromsoft to tell a story

[@SvenP]

Is anyone gonna point out that Miquella looks exactly like Marika?

[@vagelismihalis7426]

Is his mother what did you expect to look like?

[@ThangPlants]

@@vagelismihalis7426 his father...oh wait that's also his mother lololol

[@riflesmcknight9456]

@@ThangPlants You caught me off guard and made me laugh way too much.

[@Mario-SunshineGalaxy64]

It’s almost like they’re related or something.

[@SvenP]

@@vagelismihalis7426 not exactly the same as HIS mother LOL

[@williamwhittington6038]

What’s funny is that even St. Trina tells you to kill him! That Miquella will end up nothing more than an empty shell, devoid of anything when he becomes a god! Man, Miquella was so bad that even his other half was telling you to bump him off!

[@invarkul7831]

Is it me or Young Radahn gives a heavy Guts vibe especially with the camera shots when he only has 1 eye showing from under the helmet. And Miquella being clearly inspired by Griffith makes me think that it's kind of a Miyazaki take on what would happen if Griffith gets Guts on his side

[@bernoulli7]

i thought the very same thing

[@greenpinapple820]

The phase two cutsence shot you're talking about is in reference to the messmer fight, no? Where he does the same pose, glowing eye and all. I thought it was meant to show Miquella like taking messmer's soul and adding it to the brother amalgamation(that why he catches on fire at the same time) idk tho maybe they just thought that pose was really cool and forgot they did it like 10 hours prior in the same dlc

[@onepiece666]

It’s obviously a Berserk reference

[@MalikCustoms123]

Radahn is very clearly Geiseric as their silhouettes match perfectly.

[@invarkul7831]

@@MalikCustoms123 Personally of all them I think he reminds me more of Grunbeld especially starscourge version. Tho the lion motif certainly reminds me of Gaiseric

[@Hotmuminyourarea]

Yeah since Miquella has removed his love by removing St. Trina. The age of compassion is basically just an age of manipulation. Also The NPC’s that got together to find Miquella reminded me of the Band of the Hawk too. I really liked the DLC.

[@Nadodan]

One of the neat things i realized after Ansbach's line about spiriting away rhe bodies is that Radhan and Mohg are the only shardbearers not to leave remains, such a nice attention to detail

[@arcanefire7511]

Makes me wonder how much Malenia was bewitched by Miquella. It makes sense for her to support him in this, it benefits her too and we don't know that she is above this, but with a power like Miquella's its hard not to wonder.

[@GristlyRook9605]

I don’t think she was bewitched

[@dankpepe2110]

Nah, I think Malenia knew the plans of her brother all along.

[@arcanefire7511]

@@dankpepe2110 She did, she fight Radahn in service to the plan after all. But did she only do so because she was bewitched by Miquella, or was she genuinely on board with it? The latter is very much possible, but I know that Miquella would use his powers if she wasnt into it

[@DracoSafarius]

@@dankpepe2110 Definitely. Supremely overprotective "I will do everything for you" type of sister. Basically lived for him.

[@adhityoprathamaadji2393]

no, she is not bewitched, she has huge debt to pay to her brother. the only one reason malenia survive till now is her brother golden needle, she will die long time ago and become vesel to rot god without it beside no one care or try to cure her except her brother. so she will do anything for him.

[@EJaDav]

I subscribe to the theory that during the phase shift, Mohg or Radhan are actually coming back into sentience but is quickly quelled by Miquella.

[@DatAsianGuy]

yeah, the red glow which then turns into a golden hue, once Miquella shows up could suggest something like that happening.

[@PBart7]

OH SHIT yeah you're probably onto something there because I thought it was an odd effect because there didn't seem to mean anything

[@discipleofdagon8195]

Would've been cool to see a brief instance of genuine Mohg/Radahn (or even both) come out for a sec but ahhh it is what it is

[@DracoSafarius]

@@DatAsianGuy Red glow makes it look like he's being beaten out of the charm, and his rage is causing the body's (Mohg's) blood to essentially boil with anger. Miquella shows up in person (spirit) and reasserts the charm in full force which relaxes him and causes that raging red to go golden white.

[@basicsimp8798]

I'm glad Miquella isn't just a good guy, but a terrifying one. He has the ability to charm people to his side.

[@jaieregilmore971]

An age of compassion wouldn’t work without genuine love and Miquella setting himself up to fail when got rid of his emotions and St Trina who is the benevolence part of Miquella who knew being a god is just prison of divinity without the person Miquella would had been a machine someone worse than marika.

[@mahinpekka6218]

so basically, griffith with guts if guts lost the second duel for his ownership

[@MK-vi2cm]

You guys will do anything to make a Berserk reference where there is none

[@MaskedEmperor18]

​​@@MK-vi2cmit technically is , since Miquella resembles Griffith.

[@TheBlueKing10t]

@@MK-vi2cm The fuck even is Berserk? I know it's manga and maybe Anime but why does everybody reference it?

[@MK-vi2cm]

@TheBlueKing10t Berserk is one of the best manga of all time and has heavily influenced countless things in the Fromsoft library. But these guys literally say everything is a fn Berserk reference

[@Drheims]

Guess the Mohg allegations weren’t true.

[@gameframeinc.3389]

They CLEARLY weren’t true.

[@kingdeophole6252]

Free mohg he aint do nothing wrong

[@thedreamer5049]

#JusticeForMogh #Miquelester

[@arturouribebertolotti1169]

Congratulations Mohg, you beat the incest and pedophilia allegations... you still have to beat the ones about you being the leader of a murderous cult

[@akbersalim9096]

Mogh the Moghlested

[@myztiklee]

3:40 - this makes me so uneasy, but i’m glad we finally got some St Trina, albeit a teenie amount! 10:59 - Cannot think of a better NPC character than Ansbach, such a fountain of knowledge to be tapped by us theorists. “Miquella is a monster”

[@noamias4897]

Ansbach was based from the start, I just couldn't see it

[@stefanylima1627]

Agreed. Also, I think Radahn did not accept Miquella's vow and used his studies of gravitational magic to stop the stars and thus prevent his own fate that Miquella had sealed without his consent. Malenia coming after him in Caelid means she had to prevent him from holding the stars (stopping the destiny), killing his physical body and forcing him to go to the Shadowland to fulfill Miquella's wish (but she failed because Radahn was the strongest demigod, but the Tarnished succeeded - shame on us).

[@Twilight55685]

Shit is actually DEEP

[@Twilight55685]

Ofc its elden ring anyway

[@andypomales1558]

Poor bro can't catch a break

[@miguelhernandez3730]

poor guts. i mean radahn

[@sebastianmorin9780]

12:36 I don’t think the final boss we fight was the “perfect version of Radahn,” as you might have assumed. I think the original and perfect vessel for his soul was going to be Godwyn’s corpse, but Ranni messed that up, so Miquella had to improvise, finding his entranceway to the Shadow Realm [Mohg] would suffice.

[@Trimondius]

The reason we even had a slimmer of chance against Prime Gigachad Radahn and Miquella is because Leonard's soul didnt resurrect there.

[@Ron_Jambo_]

You know what it put a smile on mu face to know that Leonard is just grazing in infinite plain with his best buddy Radhan in whatever horse afterlife would be in Elden Rong 😊

[@somentesimconcerteza6329]

that is not prime Radahn but young radahn buffed by god miquella but I am sure that young radahn+ god miquella is stronger than prime radahn

[@patricklodge1576]

@@somentesimconcerteza6329 nah bro its prime radahn

[@abx546]

That's just moghs body shaped to be radahn with radahn controlled soul inside it +miquela

[@noamias4897]

But if Leonard was there surely we'd have torrent and then we'd be unstoppable

[@marcuscallahan4645]

Miquella is insane. He wasn’t able to charm him so prolly sent malenia to set his soul free. Charmed Mohg which now it makes sense why he says my dearest miquella. Then used his body for his master plan.

[@ThatWhichLurkss]

Man, they made a vow, a deal. Why are people thinking that Miquella is charming Radahn, he's a promissed lord, like he was on it

[@boneman-calciumenjoyer8290]

@@ThatWhichLurkss and Malenia had to deal with him because he was in on it... sure, sounds reasonable enough.

[@Th3_Raven]

@@ThatWhichLurkss If Radahn was willing to become Miquella's consort then there largely would've been no reason for Malenia to wage war upon him as the Blade of Miquella.

[@finlaytemple1744]

​@@boneman-calciumenjoyer8290again he could have agreed to the vow and been distracted by the shattering, doesn't mean it was an unwilling act

[@boneman-calciumenjoyer8290]

@@finlaytemple1744 oh yeah, he could have agreed to it, we just don't have anything pointing in that direction other than the only character with brainwashing powers claiming it to be so. We do have a lot of things suggesting that he wasn't on board with the idea... Like the fact that Miquella send his attackdog of a sister to slay him. I'll gladly agree that Radahn is in on it, if someone manages to explain this to me.

[@johnnylb1]

Did you notice that when the Tanished gets charmed by Miquella, we have that same gold smoke covering us that covers Radhan at the beginning of phase 2. Yeah, my boy Radhan didn't consent.

[@streptococo4735]

It's amazing how it turns out Mohg went to be Mohglester to Mohglested. The not-child femboy quite literally forced him. They really made Miquella into a Griffith.

[@matija505]

@@streptococo4735 myazaki berserk'd us again.

[@wildbard4112]

I really hate that tbh

[@ihatesoursoup6807]

I don't think he forced him though, more like charmed, since mohg still has a personality and is able to talk. Forced would be radahn since he has nothing left

[@haunbeuii1635]

@@ihatesoursoup6807 in my opinion that's just as bad

[@ArlauxWitchdog]

@@ihatesoursoup6807And this is not established in lore anywhere at all ever, it’s complete conjecture. There is more evidence for Radahn not being charmed or forced than otherwise.

[@monkeking4919]

All that for my frenzied lord self to pack up the entire plan 🚬

[@Alejmen009]

The meteor fall, when i saw him as consort I was so focused on the battle, when he jumped and dissapeared I thought: he wouldn't. He did, only Fromsoftware would make such boss .

[@ornado4773]

Miguella = Griffith , Radahn = Guts. This is the future Griffith would have wanted if Guts stayed with him, enthralled by Griffith and forever his friend, but never his equal.

[@FlyingFox86]

This is why Ranni had the best idea. Miquella wanted to enforce his compassion, Mogh wanted his dynasty, Morgot wanted to protect the current order. They all want power and control in some way. Ranni just wants to fuck off to the stars and leave people to their own devices.

[@a_fuckin_spacemarine7514]

This whole dlc really kinda makes Rannis ending look even better.

[@van_tigranyan]

Well, that also means that never-ending wars, death, suffering and pain will be there too, it's just how humans are. If there is no god or any other power to stop or guide them, they will continue what they were doing before even if there is no god, or it might even become worse. So as true FromSoft game, Elden ring doesn't have a true good ending too. There is nothing you can choose to make the world a true heaven. Miquella realized that, and that's why he wanted to force love and compassion. I don't think it would be that awful.

[@FlyingFox86]

​@@van_tigranyan Never ending wars, suffering and pain are there with gods as well. I'm not saying that her ending means everything is going to work out fine for the lands between, only that hers is the best idea. I think the others failed because of their desire to control, to rule.

[@van_tigranyan]

@@FlyingFox86 sorry, never implied you said it was the best ending 😅 just shared my thoughts with you, as I also think that's the best one available. It's just not as good as one could wish.

[@FlyingFox86]

@@van_tigranyan I agree. It's basically a "fuck you all, you sort it out yourself" approach, which I can appreciate. But most of all, it is the most fleshed out quest in the game by far. That makes me biased in favor of it.

[@385theshah]

Miquella is Pretty much what Griffith is in berserk especially after his return into the physical world and that Cocoon thing and the Egg of the Perfect World might be similar too both used in rebirth of some sort . Radahn Could be Guts in this case how badly Griffith wanted guts to stay and be his sword rather then go away it made him went nuts .

[@gadman85]

A good video talking about it all. In the base game when I first read the description of the "Bewitching Branch" and seeing how it works, I was starting to think Miquella wasn't as innocent and wonderful as everyone said he was in game. It hints at how masterful Miquella was at compelling the hearts of others. It really is incredible (and rather out there) how a consumable you buy from one merchant (I think its just that guy outside Bellum Church who sells them) was such a key to understanding the truth about Miquella.

[@ct-782hevy4]

I was skeptical after seeing the branches but wrote it off as his way to bring those who seek nothing but destruction under his control to use their power for good. Now I see it as his tool of submission, a precursor to his age of compassion

[@Kuroganemk2]

So Miquella's big plan is to turn everyone gay.

[@sreeharipradeep]

basically yeah

[@abdieljove2011]

Maybe Alex Jones was warning us about Miquella all along!

[@discipleofdagon8195]

@@abdieljove2011 "I DON'T LIKE EM PUTTING GODWYNS IN THE WATER THAT TURN THE FRICKIN FROGS GREY (basilisks are grey... ahaha)"

[@indiwo1f]

@@discipleofdagon8195 I need a Lands Between alex jones just railing about Margit and how shit everything is since the shattering

[@Madking12357]

Mohg: Miquella! I got you into the land of shadow, now we can start our dynasty! Miquella: Thanks Mohg, but I just need your body to get Radahn back. Mohg: Wait...but what about me? Miquella: What about you?

[@YxngSho]

The moment I didn’t see Lenord I knew something was off

[@mightquinnable]

I’m sorry, the idea of all the Demi-gods in the throne room in leyndell and Miquella batting his eyes and staring at radahn kills me🤣radahn trying his best not to look😭

[@Lazybonez89]

Rahdah first rode a horse, and now he is the horse

[@nemesisundead83]

One of, if not the main reason, he held back the stars cause he didn't want to stop being a general

[@Little_pug]

Radahn lives for battle and Miquellas new age would’ve ruined him because there would be no battle in an age of compassion

[@ORLY911]

There would also be nothing to live for without choice

[@English-learning-storiess]

Is that why rhadan has a fire blood attack that explodes? Because he merged with mohg? Damn this makes more sense now

[@tb4076]

@@English-learning-storiess oh wow, i was wondering why he had that one exploding fire attack, it seemed so out of place with all the gravity magics. Totally forgot that he was in mohg's body.

[@JDWalker495]

Prime Radahn being a franken omen makes so much sense now, i was confused why he had omen cursed flames but now it makes sense.

[@ReactRapTuga]

miquella used moghs body to trap radahn soul innit, thats why u see omen features

[@Mr_Jester980]

Blud just pulled the William Afton on poor Radahn, though for different reasons. Old Willy shoves children into animatronics due to a mix of grief on his broken family and the urge to find a way to achieve immortality, while dollar store Griffith over here wants to make Radahn his puppet so he shoves his soul into Mogh's corpse.