Radahn Didn't Want This

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Would you kindly...be my king consort?
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[@agtjake]

Would you kindly...be my king consort?

[@reverbedash9282]

Consort eternal

[@reverbedash9282]

Dont you think melina might be marika...after reading minor erdtree incantation spell

[@jorgeromero1352]

No

[@aayushdasgupta9754]

​@@reverbedash9282she is most likely the child closest to Marika, but definitely not Marika herself. I think she is the sister of Messmer

[@epicureanmaster]

Yes, Mr. Ryan

[@RexVergstrong]

You know he wasn't himself because Leonard wasn't there with him.

[@LethalEagleSW]

Fr

[@crabberdabberye]

Leonards dead ass hell dawg

[@danielled8665]

So is Rahdan ​@@crabberdabberye

[@molamola9723]

@@crabberdabberye Miquella should’ve revived Leonard too. Then Radhan would’ve willingly became consort. Miquella kinda dumb tbh.

[@Mario-SunshineGalaxy64]

Radahn found something else to ride.

[@JohnDarkSouls895]

Poor radahn got caught by Miquella the Tickla, and Mohg beat the allegations like the goat he is

[@guardianvalor962]

Radahn and Mohg were Miqulested

[@GiveMeBass93]

Miquella the Mohg Tickle-a

[@AverageLobotomite]

@@JohnDarkSouls895 Miquellested

[@shaynethegmann]

Dr disrespect died to redeem Mohg of his sins

[@guardianvalor962]

Radan and Mohg both got wronged by Miquellester

[@theegg141]

Ansbach’s dialogue if he dies as a summon for the fight also assists this theory. He tells you to make a land for men. Not for gods.

[@asamataua]

THAT'S ACTUALLY BADASS! WOW

[@_cripticon8004]

Ansbach is the goat dude, he's always got the best takes, despite being a blood knight

[@EnglishAaron]

Which by killing miquella and radahn you do, Marika is an empty shell that houses the elden ring but holds no will of it's own anymore. The tarnished becomes the ruling lord to pass the throne to the next person or ascends to the stars to remove the order from the land itself leaving governance in the hands of those who dwell within the lands between along with being responsible for the consequences of their own actions. I find Miquella's rule would be one where all consequences and responsibilities are absolved, left solely as miquella's burden to bear. Some people even in real life want that so it makes sense why some people would remain loyal to Miquella despite his charm being broken...the irony being he never needed to charm those people in the first place.

[@betrayfate9772]

@_cripticon8004 honestly he makes me think that Mohg mightve been a good person, if we go off himself the Pureblood knights were meant to be true knights. Only for all of it to be corrupted and filled with murderers when Mohg got charmed by Miquella with the goal to get more blood for Miquella, as it was mentioned in the blood talisman it was all to get blood for Miquella

[@jeiku4837]

Holy hell I love that.

[@diegosaez4885]

A few things to point out: * The Age of Compassion would not only be a matter of forcing everyone to love Miquella, but also to not be loved back by him. One of his cross footsteps states one thing he striped himself off of was love. All of creation would be forced to love a loveless god. * Not only Ansbach gives its reason to stop Miquella, but St. Trina aswell. She considers Miquella's ascension both a mistake and eternal damnation, where much like Marika would be shackled by divinity and unwittingly forced to be the realm's god whether he likes or not what occurs in the lives of others, and neither wishes that upon him nor consider him fitting to be a god. And once Miquella dies, St.Trina enters the eternal sleep. * Its also worth pointing out Metryl's rememberance description, where not only states she's the mother of all Two Fingers and the finger creepers, but also daughter of the Greater Will and the first celestial being to crashland the Lands Between, and she has failed to make contact with her progenitor since then. This implies any character who argues has made contact or communed with the Greater Will from the very beginning has been speaking with Metryl instead, and Metryl did it to obscure the Greater Will abandoning the world to preserve the believe in Them. And upon her defeat, she leaves this world through a microcosm, meaning now there's no-one to answer.

[@dylanr.cerezo4325]

My jaw dropped reading Metryls lore. Hell, that entire romp with Ymir.

[@van_tigranyan]

So Varre was right all along 😅

[@rauqui5318]

And by extension Mogh was right too, what a chad

[@Cnote1]

Ok say I believe this. The Elden beast was more than likely the second celestial body to crash land. Who is to say that it loast communication with the greater will immediately like Metryl did?

[@actualteddybear891]

I'm glad St. Trina isn't dead.

[@IAm.Messmer.Brother.Of.Malenia]

i'm so sorry radahn and mohg. we *didn't know*

[@aayushdasgupta9754]

We were unfortunately charmed by the malicious femboy.

[@TonyValdezCeballos]

​@@aayushdasgupta9754femboy sounds somewhat like Femto

[@justjames391]

​@@aayushdasgupta9754and egged on in believing in him after beating the rotussy

[@consumerjtc5835]

@@aayushdasgupta9754 *HEART STOLEN*

[@aayushdasgupta9754]

@@TonyValdezCeballos I still don't think Miquella is a Griffith copy. But yea, the means used by the two are very very similar. However Femto is just completely devoid of emotions. I don't think Miquella is devoid of emotions.

[@m1revan1k]

Ansbach is a goated character, trying his best to help his fallen lord and break his curse all the while being helpful to the tarnished

[@Gamer_G33k]

@@m1revan1k Makes me wonder what Mohg actually would have been like without Miquellas interference. Varre and the other White Masks too, since it's implied that they too were charmed.

[@brandinicole1372]

Exactly Ansbach at the end was not about to let what happened to mohg go unanswered once he found everything out. As Ansbach said “his lord deserved better”. He not even mad at our tarnished asses for killing him and even said his lord died in an honorable duel. Best NPC in the DLC.

[@m1revan1k]

⁠@@Gamer_G33kgreat point. I’m not saying the formless mother is a good force but seeing how many characters both the albunarics and creatures in the dlc look to her for help makes me feel sorry for those who led by their lord (mohg) corrupted or atleast forgotten. That kind of sold it for me and seeing how Ansbach represents that true side of mohg in a way (respectful and dutiful) showed who mohg could have been

[@m1revan1k]

@@Gamer_G33kalso Ansbach respectful dialgoue towards radahn in the last fight ( a lord seemingly at odds with the mohgwyn dynasty) gives credit to who mohg surrounded himself with before being bewitched

[@joshuakim5240]

@@m1revan1k The Formless Mother might actually be one of the more beneficial outer gods because she is explicitly described to seek wounds upon herself and her followers (even Mogh's spear works by directly poking her, and any splash damage is just convenient coincidence). If she is also the Blood Star, then that means that the many blinded or half-blinded see her and choose to worship her due to providing some sort of vague comfort. So based on this information, the Formless Mother is communed with via self-inflicted wounds and she herself also partakes in getting wounded...but not upon wounding others. Not only that, but the Lord of Blood's Exultation talisman explicitly states that the mass amount of blood seeking going on with current Mogh is to sate the thirst of Miquella's cocoon, not the Formless Mother. If Ansbach is to be used as a basis for pre-Miquellested Mogh, Mogh and his old Pureblood Knights likely partook in ritualistic self-bleeding for communion and only became crazed blood seekers via Miquella controlling them to gather blood for him to use as a disposable meat suit on his Shadowlands journey. Also very interestingly, Ansbach describes Mogh having attempted to have fought Miquella and even injuring him with his spear, meaning that Mogh likely didn't kidnap Miquella but rather Miquella invited him and used force to control him upon Mogh refusing to comply with Miquella's scheme (just like what happened with Radahn, showing how Miquella REALLY hates having someone say no to him). Miquella's entire army having mind control crowns would also explain how and why Mogh's invitation became unknown (dude has the subtlety of a brick covered in bells after all), as the brainwashed soldiers would just let Mogh and his private escort into the Haligtree with them not disclosing what happened under the control of Miquella. Another interesting thing to note is that Mogh is referred to as 2 different titles: Luminary Mogh, and Mogh Lord of Blood. It's possible that Luminary Mogh was his first title pre-Miquellestation and he was a decent dude, then upon his mind control became the Lord of Blood to fulfill Miquella's need for disposable body blood for his journey. This also explains Okina being at the Radahn Festival and Varre's role: Okina is being sent on Miquella's behalf to finish off Radahn in his extreme refusal to die, while Varre is unknowingly recruiting capable Tarnished while giving them a shortcut directly to kill Mogh at the manipulations of Miquella (Tarnished are canonically known and feared as demigod slaying badasses, so a slayer of demigod slayers is likely super capable of killing Mogh when the time is right).

[@Crispy2Dispy]

Radahn really couldn't catch a break lol, from getting rotted and going insane to then having his soul yoinked immediately afterwards to get stuffed in mohg as a puppet.

[@julianswinton5355]

And that was done all by the empyrean twins.

[@nikolafeschiev3399]

Got std from the sister and then was hipnotised to be a consort by the brother

[@claus_al_aerth]

@@julianswinton5355 so that's why Malenia went after Radahn

[@zachariahbremer5667]

@@claus_al_aerth my theory is that malenia was charmed my Miquella to fight Radahn, just like Mohg was charmed to do Miquella’s bidding

[@claus_al_aerth]

@@zachariahbremer5667 I don't think Malenia was charmed, I fully believe she had complete faith in her brother, which, of course, makes this all the more heartbreaking.

[@colins9932]

Honestly the largest Red flag for knowing Radahn is a victim and didn’t want to hold true to his vow any longer…is the fact he never so much as makes a sound in his fight as consort. Not a yell, not a grunt of exertion, not a gasp of pain, not even a word for his fellow warrior of battle. Fighting his scarlet rot self he sounds like a wounded animal his mind is gone but his body is still “alive” and reactive. Here? He’s nothing but a puppet, filled with a lords soul, but that lord is broken and controlled.

[@2009samiy]

youtube mary and jesus in the quran and mohmmad in the bible and the Torah and the scientific miracles of the quran and mohmmad in hindu scripture … according the bible that you have (Matthew 4:1) Jesus was tempted (James 1:13) God doesn't get tempted (John 1:29) Jesus was seen (1 John 4:12) No man has ever seen God (Acts 2:22) Jesus was and is a man, sent by God (Numbers 23:19, Hosea11:9) God is not a man (Hebrews 5:8-9) Jesus had to grow and learn (Isaiah 40:28) God doesn't ever need to learn (1 Corinthians 15:3-4) Jesus dies (1 Timothy 1:17) God doesn't die (Hebrews 5:7) Jesus needed salvation (Luke 1:37) God doesn't need salvation (John 4:6) Jesus grew weary (Isaiah 40:28) God Doesn't grow weary (Mark 4:38) Jesus slept (Psalm 121:2-4) God doesn't sleep (John 5:19) Jesus isn't all powerful (Isaiah 45:5-7) God is all powerful (Mark 13:32) Jesus isn't all knowing (Isaiah 46:9) God is all knowing . ...................

[@cingkrayz1959]

​@@2009samiy, what does any of this have to do with anything?

[@Vagabond824]

​@@2009samiy Muhammad was a Child predator. How old was aisha? Christ is king.

[@ahkosorsomesaykosby9999]

@@cingkrayz1959 it's fiction ig

[@underplague6344]

He does make some small grunts in the fight i noticed, but they're very subtle, only happen when he's attacking, and are the same ones he makes in his rotted form.

[@elricmon2099]

I think that Miquella wanting Radahn as consort (and Radahn refusing) can be a good reason for Malenia to do that journey to Caelid and fight him

[@Hazzy994]

It’s if you check radahn helmet it tells us what malenia said to radahn during the trailer

[@dragonquest8ftw1]

There was a whole lot of speculation going on between Malenia and Radahn. Was it for Radahn's great rune? No, because Malenia came across Godrick and yet spared him when she had no reason to. Was she hunting for Miquella that Mohg absconded with? No, turns out Miquella was actually at the battle with Malenia as mentioned by Freyja. As it turns out, the Miquella deliberately targeted Radahn all along and set Malenia on him to subdue him. Poor sod, from honoured general to scarlet zombie to reanimated puppet at the hands of a monster.

[@DepressiveWeeb]

They made a vow mate, that's why he is a promissed consort

[@dragonquest8ftw1]

@@DepressiveWeeb and so he should have his will and desires removed because he decided he didn't want any part of Miquellas puppet show?

[@finlaytemple1744]

@@dragonquest8ftw1 that's the literal opposite of what he said mate

[@marimayes]

Going into the dlc I hated Mohg but Miquella was the one who was actually doing the Mohglesting. One thing is for certain, Mogh will be avenged with dignity. I will make sure of it

[@thedreamer5049]

We will bring Miquelester to justice. #JusticeForMogh

[@user-px7tg8bb2y]

MIQUELLESTER

[@manafish8732]

he was still a crazy murderhobo who worshiped an evil blood cult and kidnapped people and murdered maidens etc.

[@sreeharipradeep]

i will destroy the final boss fist only. Make sure of it

[@acedias12]

Whelp, you're not the only one who strongly assumed Mogh was the culprit over bare minimum evidence.

[@northriver.]

getting his land nuked, turned into a zombie, killed twice, forced into an oath, and getting manipulated by a child. Bro has his life rough.

[@discipleofdagon8195]

I like to think he's now in the afterlife, awaiting for an erdtree revival with Leonard, chilling together in some ethereal field with (I hope) a de-snaked Rykard, Morgott, Godfrey and the rest of the Demi-gods.

[@Ron_Jambo_]

@@discipleofdagon8195 And even then, Godrick ends up being bullied by everyone

[@discipleofdagon8195]

@@Ron_Jambo_ I mean, in fairness, he is pretty full of himself and not that powerful.

[@theenderdestruction2362]

@@discipleofdagon8195 they all just watch the tarnished run around, godrick made popcorn for everyone and waited on everyone else and in this case just wasn't arrogant and now is a weird but kindly old man, if Marika joins them he's beating her with a fucking cane radaghon to

[@SuperMaster000X]

My take is, Miquella really wanted to do the right thing, but he failed over and over again, fundamentalism, the three, the needle, Godwyn. So at one point, seeing so much pain he snaped, and went "ends justifice the means" and was going to force kindness to everyone no mather what. Maybe thats his fallen hero concept.

[@jaieregilmore971]

I think St Trina was his more heroic part of himself.

[@afonsius7907]

@@jaieregilmore971 St trina represented his ability to feel love, while his intentions were pure, he has lost himself of everything that made him human. He became just like his mother.

[@PeterDivine]

..."justifice"?

[@aperson6562]

@@PeterDivinethey meant jusitifies

[@jamesnorman9160]

The Crosses mark where he left parts of himself. Right up to his heart, his love/compassion (St Trina) and finally his fears and his Great Rune. After giving up all of that, he probably felt entirely justified in what he did. Or simply didn't care anymore. He just sounds so robotic in his battle dialogue.

[@kurenian]

Perhaps Mohg, being an omen, was what Miquella needed to access the land of shadow, the land of the hornsent?

[@papzaire4269]

this does create quite an interesting scenario, perhaps Mohg was the only choice since Morgott's love and loyalty to Marika and the golden order was soo deep and unwavering he would never comply, even if Miquella bewitched him like he did to Mohg and later Radahn

[@Xelemich]

interesting indeed, and if you look closely...the divine gate is made by horsent corpses...not stone

[@abeon8151]

@@Xelemich What I noticed is that there are 2 sets of corpses there. One are pure textures that you can't destroy, and those are not hornsent, but regular humans. But then there are actual objects that you can destroy, and those are solidified hornsent corpses. In case you don't know, the hornsent stuffed Marika's family and people of her village (Shamans) into jars, I guess because they found them unholy, and I assume what is happening with the Divine Gate is that the hornsent also sacrificed humans to commune with gods, and then, when Marika went there to ascend to godhood, she took revenge and sacrificed a bunch of hornsent to achieve her goal. It could also just be nothing and they took some random "pile of corpses" texture and put it there to save time and money.

[@jakequercia]

I also felt this way! When Ansbach said “As if using Mohg to gain access to the land of shadow was not enough…” it made me think that either it’s because he’s an omen and is in some way related to the Hornsent, a connection between the formless mother and how other entities pray to her in the realm of shadow, or that somehow Mohg has been to the land of shadow beforehand and provided some means of access to Miquella

[@typicalidiot_alt7542]

bro cooked with this one

[@dragonquest8ftw1]

Another scary thing to consider is in that area where St Trina was left, there's a cross there where Miquella has been leaving parts of himself, in that particular cave was his ability to love, a spirit there even remarks on this, that was the one thing he shouldn't have abandoned. He's become a god incapable of love and compassion, he's promising something he can no longer do himself, so now he has no compassion or love for anyone, not even his consort that he's brainwashed or his sister that fought to the death for him.

[@rkfakes]

but in miquellas eyes, his love for anyone or anything doesnt matter, because as long as he can spread his compassion for every living being to love him, the world will be peaceful anyways, no matter what he would do.

[@jaieregilmore971]

Feels like Miquella is like Makima who wanted to save the world but doesn’t understand love or compassion at all.

[@EtGemitusMortis]

It makes him an interesting foil to Ranni, I think, being like this. Ranni didn't have to abandon her whole self to become the God of the next age with us as consort. She never puts us under her control, like Miquella did to his own followers (not even his most loyal one being exempt), She lets us choose to follow her if we wish, while Iji, Blaidd, and even Seluvis (eck) follows of their own free will and choices for whatever it is they desire. The loyalty is all organic. While Miquella compelled all these people to be his loyal band of followers until his rune was shattered. And, yes, most do just go "Well, I'll follow him anyway", but man ... His age would be one of Control, when he can put anyone and everyone under his charm, and resetting a system clearly broken and unsustainable. Whilst Ranni brings in a different system, one where people cannot interact with their God, and thus while making an uncertain age, is still one of free will ultimately. Don't get me wrong, they're both morally dubious, but I think this shows at least on some level Fromsoft was pointing to the Age of the Stars being the better ending out of the ones in the base game...

[@natethegamergaming4057]

@@EtGemitusMortis As much as I don't like Ranni for straight up killing a man for what seemed like no reason. You have a point. She never manipulated anyone to such an extent.

[@zinnia4516]

When Miquella divulged his love, it was specifically his love of self that he discarded. He is still clearly able to love Radahn and showing compassion to an entire kingdom clearly communicates love. Saint Trina seeks to protect Miquella from the bondage of being a deity, that is self-love. Miquella had to let go of what was good for himself to obtain the power to serve everyone in his kingdom. Clearly he has sacrificed all to obtain compassion.

[@asuddenredfox3626]

Mohg: Radahn, I wanna go home… Radahn: I know Buddy, I know…

[@discipleofdagon8195]

Mohg: I can't believe Miquella did me so dirty Radahn's soul leaving his rot-infested husk: First time?

[@tamtamxxx2854]

Miquella God of gaslighting :(

[@pancakes8670]

Radahn and Mohg bonding as siblings in whatever Afterlife they're in is oddly cute to me

[@anonfinally1692]

"Tarnished, yield the path forward to us." "Do you not see my Dark Moon Greatsword +10?"

[@discipleofdagon8195]

"Yield the path forward to us" Me with my verdigris greatshield and bleed-proccing thrust-weapon: No :3

[@rodrickstark8516]

"Yield the path forward to us." "Nuh uh" 🗿

[@elshaddollconstructor2019]

@@rodrickstark8516 WHAT DO YOU MEAN "NUH UH"?

[@helwrecht1637]

“Yield the path to us” I did not get law of regression for nothing, you are getting gold masked and you are gonna like it you ointment fly

[@TheChaoticOccasions]

@@elshaddollconstructor2019 Nuh UHHHH

[@BigBilly2009]

There is another piece of dialogue that is very important. It is when Ansbach dies during the final fight against Radahnella, he begs the Tarnished to kill Miquella and become a Lord not for Gods but for the Men. This explains why FromSoft did not add a new ending as in all base game endings, The Tarnished becomes a Lord without a God (as Marika is dead, and Ranni is half-dead) and the cycle of a God reigning with a Lord is broken.

[@AliEemanSamy-lf9gl]

Are you sure? Everyone calls the tarnished “marikas lord”. The age of fractured ending shows the tarnished putting Maria back together and her elden ring start to glow again inside her. I think the implication is that tarnished was able to restore marika and become. Her lord.

[@MalikCustoms123]

@@AliEemanSamy-lf9gl They mostly call us the Lord of the Erdtree rather than Marika's Lord. And the current state of Marika is that she is fractured in every ending besides Stars and Frenzy. Marika as she is now is just a stone vessel for the Elden Ring. We can't restore her back ,only mend the Elden Ring inside of her.

[@ShadeStormXD]

i dont think marikas dead, just imprisoned, shackled. we just become her third elden lord while shes forced to remain shackled for her crimes against the greater will

[@MalikCustoms123]

@@ShadeStormXD Marika can't influence us so we're left alone as a Lord without the Commands of a God. A Lord of Men we turn out to be in the Mendings. We take a plight of man for better (Goldmask/Fia) or for worse (Dung Eater) and establish a new order where the Golden Order is upturned.

[@KhangNguyen-ij4xh]

@@AliEemanSamy-lf9glthey jumped to the conclusion. After all how the fuck would they know Marika is dead, or the Tarnished is lord of the Carian Princess or the Tarnished is trying to peg everyone alongside the Fecal Feaster?

[@martonszentkiralyi2251]

St Trina isn’t an affliction, quite the opposite, a very benevolent part of Miquella’s soul who didn’t want his other half to be a god and asked us to end his misery. Her corruption only started when Miquella abandoned and likely injured her, the deep purple dew is her blood. Trina’s dew is for those who are weary of life according to Thiolier, which in the context of the base game is very benevolent, blissfull sleep forever,basically euthanasia(Maybe her dew was the “cure” for Malenia all along) . Her magic also has a soothing effect according to cut content, it can make the merchants feel better, they play her lullaby. She can help those Miquella can’t, and with her he abandoned his fears,doubts,and love. Without her Miquella is hollow or changed, its realy the part of him he shouldn’t have abandoned

[@Xelemich]

there is also a golden cross just before Her. "Here I leave my love" and a spirit nearby "Oh miquella, I know what you done, You shouldn't have abandoned that part of you, How do you will help those who wants to be saved?"

[@Edmitsu]

The quote is “oh Miquella you’ve abandoned that which you never should have. How can salvation you offer if you can’t even offer salvation to your other self?

[@Toralian89]

He charms everyone with love. Yet cut off his ability to love\care. Becoming a true monster.

[@mayer2630]

A absolutely agree with this take, if it's a plague just like malenia's rot, then why it's can be discarded that easily? That's not consistent if that's that easy, I think the act of discarding St. Trina is a sacrificial act that needed for him to be a God, it's a valuable part of Miquella's being after all, as the Spirit NPC says where he discard St. Trina, that He discarded his Love there, A part that must not be discarded at any circumstances. And I think that miquella throw away St. Trina because She opposes the very idea of Miquella being a god, just like she said that godhood is a prison for Miquella I think this is just a running Duality Theme that's going on like marika/radagon - - - - - Also the part where Jake says that Radahn has an affliction for Conflict/war-seeking, I think is a stretch, but an interesting idea

[@retardtoad211]

I like the point you made abt st Trina being removed means miquellas fears, doubts, and love, because if Miquella became a god and brought about his age of compassion, nobody would have true free will, only blindly following Miquella

[@d4darwin458]

"One thing is certain, my lord mohg deserved better"

[@blakebridges1030]

I beat Elden Ring for the first time with a bleed build. I will always be a pure blood knight at heart. For the Dignity of Lord Mohg!

[@CAPSLOCKISON]

Bro was such a sigma he held the entire galaxy in place so he couldn't simp Edit: If you are gonna compare Radahn to 40k characters, don't you ever bring up that Geek Traitor Magnus over my GOAT Leman Russ

[@miguelhernandez3730]

lol good one

[@AlucardHellsing-ct4ej]

My believe is that Radahn was just not gay

[@MammalianCreature]

@@AlucardHellsing-ct4ej Nah, he could have railed St Trina if that were the case. Radahn just had a hankering for the flames of war, not the warmth of another being.

[@AlucardHellsing-ct4ej]

@@MammalianCreature True, it was part of his culture, the Shattering was all he wanted, War, not to be a Lord. Intresting thing, Radahn reminds me of Magnus The Red

[@SleepingSage308]

@@AlucardHellsing-ct4ej I've always said the same thing. Not just appearance but story wise as well. Especially after the DLC. Aside from Magnus trying to avoid (extensive) war pre fall, the parallels are so similar its uncanny. It doesn't help that on every single playthrough, Blaidd (who reminds me of a more wolven Russ) is the only person that ever survives the fight against him.

[@DarkMagicianMan20]

Miquella and St.Trina just solved the whole Marika and Radagon double gender thing.

[@gameframeinc.3389]

How?

[@abdieljove2011]

@@gameframeinc.3389What do you mean how? It literally proves empyreans can have two personalities with diferent genders, looks and even diferent goals. And they can split apart.

[@SirBagsAlot-fj3pe]

@@gameframeinc.3389 how is it not clear?

[@asonofhoruslegionary]

@@abdieljove2011 then I wonder what Malania or Ranni’s other persona is

[@riishiraja1000]

@@asonofhoruslegionary those two likely don't. It seems to be a willing process of Empyreans who want to discard a part of themselves as it does not align with their goals.

[@topdeckhelix8450]

So Radahn is Guts and when he said no to Miquella’s proposal he pulled a Griffith and went off the rails, sacrificing his body and soul for his dream.. damnit Miyazaki you Berserked us again.

[@KaiserBrasil]

So true LMFAO

[@miguelhernandez3730]

i thought exactly the same. the simmilarities are there. poor guts and radahn they deserved better

[@bernoulli7]

i thought about it too. it’s very similar

[@micoddwarrior]

No wonder I like Radahn

[@joshuakim5240]

Radahn was giant Guts and Miquella was shota Griffith the entire time. Berserk'd again my Miyazaki!

[@ThisNameIsBanned]

Michela also has an instant-death attack stealing your heart. Thats giving the phrase "Killed by compassion" a new meaning.

[@abydosianchulac2]

I don't understand how this attack works in lore. Part of the whole thing is that we Tarnished can't truly die because Grace won't let us go. But then how do we resurrect and restart the fight if we're still alive?

[@jackhyde1488]

@@abydosianchulac2 how do we resurrect if we are killed by Maliketh? It’s just the gameplay, don’t need to look too deep into that

[@unipachu]

@@abydosianchulac2 The reason is the same as why your runes disappear if you die twice.

[@joshuakim5240]

@@abydosianchulac2 Canonically there are 2 instances where the death-respawn system aren't supposed to be working but do for gameplay purposes: Malikieth's fight and Miquella's grab attack. Basically, dying to either of these is just a splinter timeline where we failed and are done for and the canonical fight is us not dying to either...which is hilariously ironic considering how difficult these 2 fights are.

[@pedrorodrigo9560]

@@joshuakim5240 Also Deathbligth, no?

[@tonydelia9998]

Miquella has the innocence of a child, and also the ignorance of a child.

[@illyria7756]

He is naive, being seduced by tgw exactly like his mom, he would just renew the same broken system instead of exiting it.

[@tonydelia9998]

@illyria7756 He doesn't seem to grasp the concept of what he's doing. In my head Canon, Radahn refused Miquellas request to become his Consort and this drove Miquella kinda mad (Like in Berserker when guts leaves the Band of the Hawk, Griffith is shocked). So Miquella sent Malenia to kill him so he could become a Puppet for Miquella. Also I imagine Mohg was easy to manipulate since he's a Omen who grew up in a sewer and just desired affection at the end of the day. Now that I look back what does Mohg even do that's bad. He takes Miquella seeming under Miquellas influence, he houses Albinaurics in his base who are a oppressed people and gives them a home, and all he does is attack Tarnished but I really don't blame him because we Tarnished are wretched creatures. Other than being the "Lord of Blood" and looking scary, what does he do that's evil?

[@illyria7756]

@@tonydelia9998 I even think Mohg tried to save Miq from being drained to death by the tree, corpse looks drained and why else would he be infusing blood into it..Miq could've called on him, whom else than the lord of blood, from the cocoon for help, maybe as Trina. Either that or Mohg was already hanging out at the haligtree to know Miq's situation, unless he heard it from some albinauric or other that came from there. Idk if the mind control of Mohg started then or before that, but this sounds like a plausible situation. Maybe the original plan was to transform inside the tree, but he would still have to go to the shadowlands to become a god right? If so, he knew he would need Mohg or another omen to get there, so maybe he had to change plans/speed things up when the tree-plan failed. For now, with the available info, I also think Miq doesn't fully understand what he's getting involved in, am not sure if he understands what damage he does with his manipulation/mind control, or if he even cares.

[@tamim9266]

@@tonydelia9998 Judging Mohg by his knight Ansbach, I would assume the real Mohg was more honorable, since Ansbach is one of the most honorable NPCs in all of Elden Ring. So the fact that Ansbach deeply wanted to avenge Mohg for being controlled by Miquella leads me to believe Mohg was a good leader that Ansbach respected greatly.

[@kampfer91]

Kid are cruel Jack , and Miquella is in touch with his inner child .

[@geb_3975]

the crazy thing is - he held the stars to hold miquella's fate, even when he was a zombie. he didnt want to be king consort by absolutely any means, even if it meant dying from the sheer power it requires to hold up the stars

[@Kalito661]

As a child of caria he didnt hold miquellas fate... he hold the stars for his own fate.

[@Mario-SunshineGalaxy64]

The stars didn’t hold Miquella’s fate, I think. From everything there is in the game it’s the Carians that are most influenced by the stars, and it’s still unclear exactly why Radahn halted the stars. It could be to stop his own fate, or Ranni’s, or it was under the command of the Golden Order to weaken the Carians, it’s not entirely certain.

[@JWalker444]

​@@Mario-SunshineGalaxy64 the description of the Amber Starlight item says "If the stars command our fates, then amber-hued stars must command the fates of the gods. Such is the belief that inspired the use of these shards to prepare a most special draught"

[@Zhtrik]

@@Mario-SunshineGalaxy64 I like to think it’s a little of Column A and B. He held the stars because he did not wish to be Miquella’s Consort and because he cared for his sister Ranni and didn’t want her to leave when the Age of Stars came.

[@tunglamle1860]

@@Mario-SunshineGalaxy64 if you read the description of the finger mother rememberance, it is mentioned that the mother of finger is daughter of the greater will and also the first shooting star that fell on lands between. So I think that radahn's holding back the star is an order he got from marika because she afraid that the gods will send their children to lands between again to seek for someone to replace her.

[@streptococo4735]

It's amazing how it turns out Mohg went to be Mohglester to Mohglested. The not-child femboy quite literally forced him. They really made Miquella into a Griffith.

[@matija505]

@@streptococo4735 myazaki berserk'd us again.

[@wildbard4112]

I really hate that tbh

[@ihatesoursoup6807]

I don't think he forced him though, more like charmed, since mohg still has a personality and is able to talk. Forced would be radahn since he has nothing left

[@haunbeuii1635]

@@ihatesoursoup6807 in my opinion that's just as bad

[@arlaux]

@@ihatesoursoup6807And this is not established in lore anywhere at all ever, it’s complete conjecture. There is more evidence for Radahn not being charmed or forced than otherwise.

[@chrono_s9699]

This "put Mogh under some type of spell" is the heart steal mechanic you see in the fight against the final boss of the dlc and you get "Heart Stolen" instead of "You Died". Which also affected Ansbach when he challenged Miquella.

[@sidacimiz1909]

Ofc Jake flexed about his "Radahn is a main character" video lol

[@agtjake]

🍷

[@He-who-wakes]

Maintaining the agenda is our top priority

[@ericwalker6477]

@@agtjakeI wasn’t too happy with the ending but after watching this it makes a lot more sense and enjoyable. I just wanted to see Marikas origins like in the trailer but she’s in the Erdtree so I get it

[@dziosdzynes7663]

well, he WAS the main character after all

[@DatAsianGuy]

@@ericwalker6477 Miyazaki himself said that Radahn is his favorite character or implied so at least. It makes sense that Radahn in many ways takes center stage, besides characters like Marika or Radagon.

[@tena210]

Regarding how Miquella used Mohg to reach the Land of Shadow, maybe all Omen are connected to the Land of Shadow somehow via their relation to the hornsent?

[@MalikCustoms123]

The Wraiths that haunt the Omen are the same color as the Scadutree Avatar's holy attacks and the spirits are said to be smiling elders from the Omenkiller mask. The Hornsent haunt the Omen.

[@shadexvii3975]

@@MalikCustoms123there’s also a horned Bairn, which further strengthens the Omen Hornsent connection

[@Mc_Beefcake]

Miquella: 'oh lord brother, wouldst thou be my lord consort and abscondeth the golden order?' Radahn: 'yeah, over my dead body, weirdo.' Miquella: 'Wonderful! Sis?'

[@LonkiDonki]

Malenia: marry our brother Radahn: I'm good thanks Malenia: *unsheathes blade* that is not an option

[@EJaDav]

I subscribe to the theory that during the phase shift, Mohg or Radhan are actually coming back into sentience but is quickly quelled by Miquella.

[@DatAsianGuy]

yeah, the red glow which then turns into a golden hue, once Miquella shows up could suggest something like that happening.

[@PBart7]

OH SHIT yeah you're probably onto something there because I thought it was an odd effect because there didn't seem to mean anything

[@discipleofdagon8195]

Would've been cool to see a brief instance of genuine Mohg/Radahn (or even both) come out for a sec but ahhh it is what it is

[@FlyingFox86]

This is why Ranni had the best idea. Miquella wanted to enforce his compassion, Mogh wanted his dynasty, Morgot wanted to protect the current order. They all want power and control in some way. Ranni just wants to fuck off to the stars and leave people to their own devices.

[@a_fuckin_spacemarine7514]

This whole dlc really kinda makes Rannis ending look even better.

[@van_tigranyan]

Well, that also means that never-ending wars, death, suffering and pain will be there too, it's just how humans are. If there is no god or any other power to stop or guide them, they will continue what they were doing before even if there is no god, or it might even become worse. So as true FromSoft game, Elden ring doesn't have a true good ending too. There is nothing you can choose to make the world a true heaven. Miquella realized that, and that's why he wanted to force love and compassion. I don't think it would be that awful.

[@FlyingFox86]

​@@van_tigranyan Never ending wars, suffering and pain are there with gods as well. I'm not saying that her ending means everything is going to work out fine for the lands between, only that hers is the best idea. I think the others failed because of their desire to control, to rule.

[@van_tigranyan]

@@FlyingFox86 sorry, never implied you said it was the best ending 😅 just shared my thoughts with you, as I also think that's the best one available. It's just not as good as one could wish.

[@FlyingFox86]

@@van_tigranyan I agree. It's basically a "fuck you all, you sort it out yourself" approach, which I can appreciate. But most of all, it is the most fleshed out quest in the game by far. That makes me biased in favor of it.

[@Drheims]

Guess the Mohg allegations weren’t true.

[@gameframeinc.3389]

They CLEARLY weren’t true.

[@kingdeophole6252]

Free mohg he aint do nothing wrong

[@thedreamer5049]

#JusticeForMogh #Miquelester

[@arturouribebertolotti1169]

Congratulations Mohg, you beat the incest and pedophilia allegations... you still have to beat the ones about you being the leader of a murderous cult

[@akbersalim9096]

Mogh the Moghlested

[@xXDark0sXx]

For context if anyone remembers: As far as i know, if you do the Ranni ending, she says the same line when Miquella tries to take your heart, but in Ranni's case we actually follow her by our own volition, and she accept us because she truly appreciate the Tarnish after all he did, from someone who served her to the true meaning of accepting you as consort. Plus, Ranni will actually give men free will, void of the influences of gods, so that men can't reach godhood, and gods cant temper the mortal realm as they want. The only paid price is to Ranni and you being alone for eternity.

[@jaieregilmore971]

Honestly prefer Ranni ending over the others considering rest the endings just leaves the world as it is or in a worst state. At least with the age of the star people decided their own fate without the gods meddlings.

[@xlgapelsin6173]

@@jaieregilmore971 could argue gold mask aswell since his rune is made to "seal" the ring so it can't be tempered with by men or gods

[@masterdna117]

I think the flame of frenzy is the canon ending, because they didnt touch on melina's "im going to kill you with my new look". Elden Ring 2 maybe?

[@xXDark0sXx]

@@masterdna117 More than cannon ending, i mentionned Ranni's ending because of the dialogues you face with miquella, regarding the "forced" love of Miquella vs the "organic" way the game makes it for Ranni. Or you could say... you simped enough that Ranni likes and marries you.

[@Ron_Jambo_]

Ranni had her own brother murdered and plunged the Lands Between into chaos, everything bad that happened including everything Miquella has dine is HER FAULT. STUPID SIMPS

[@mayer2630]

Also I noticed that I might understand why Miquella needs to throw away all his Body parts, and feelings, because all of those things maybe the reason that getting in the way of his plan, for age of "compassion" He discard his body, because it is the very product of golden order, just like ranni discarded her body, he needs to get rid of it and throughout the journey, not only the body, but he also throw anything that also might get it the way, -His doubt, a God needs no doubt (as found at cerulean coast) -his love (st. trina, who opposes Miquella's plan) (as found near st. trina) -and his fear (as found at enir ilim) this tells a story about even maybe miquella himself is doubting his own plan, and even fears for what to come, this is a great way from fromsoft to tell a story

[@GodChaos333]

When facing the boss and figuring out what he did. It really gives off. No free will vibes. Rhadann doesnt even say anything at all. And where is his beloved leonard? He wouldn't just forgot about his horse. He stuck with leonard even when insane from scarlet rot. I cannot believe he is of sound mind.

[@abdieljove2011]

I mean, I agree he isn’t of sound mind, but Leonard not being there has nothing to do with it. Miquella grabbed Radahn’s soul and stuffed it into Mohg’s corpse to revive him. Leonard wasn’t gonna just teleport there lol

[@denizseyhan1053]

​@@abdieljove2011Why didn't he press R to summon Leonard?

[@arealhumanbean3058]

​@@abdieljove2011 If miquella really cared about Radahn, he would stuff leonard's soul into a random horse (not like he has a problem with unnecessary murder considering the Caelid situation)

[@SvenP]

Is anyone gonna point out that Miquella looks exactly like Marika?

[@vagelismihalis7426]

Is his mother what did you expect to look like?

[@ThangPlants]

@@vagelismihalis7426 his father...oh wait that's also his mother lololol

[@riflesmcknight9456]

@@ThangPlants You caught me off guard and made me laugh way too much.

[@Mario-SunshineGalaxy64]

It’s almost like they’re related or something.

[@SvenP]

@@vagelismihalis7426 not exactly the same as HIS mother LOL

[@delta_1632]

So here's what I think the timeline went like: In their youth Miquella asked Radahn to make that vow to become his king consort. I believe Redahn accepted, since his name in the final fight is promised consort, implying a promise was made. Now if Radahn made that promise willingly/or due to Miquella's charm is another matter. This vow stood tall until Miquella got disillusioned with the golden order due to it not being able to cure his and Malenia's affliction. Miquella turned his back on the golden order, Radahn stood by it and now they were on opposite sides. Radahn now doesn't want to keep up the vow. Miquella tries to manipulate Radahn with his charms, however Radahn due to being from the Raya Lucarian royalty has his fate tethered to the stars, so by halting their movements he can resist the kind of enchantment Mogh and everyone was under. I believe that is the reason Radahn originally challenged the stars. So Malenia is sent to fight Radahn in order to make him keep the vow. She nukes Caelid in the process, but doesn't succeed, since Radahn manages to not only survive, but keep living with the help of his great rune keeping the scarlet Rot from killing him. The tragedy here is, Radahn even in what is basically his death manages to hold on and keep Miquella's plan from succeeding, until we come along and go through the events of the Redahn festival. The rest is explained ingame already. Mogh gets brainwashed by Miquella and forced to bring him to Mohgwyn palace, where we kill him like Miquella wanted, becoming probably the most tragic character in the entire game in the process. Miquella puts Redahn's soul into the body and resurrect his Frankenstein's Redahn as the Consort that was promised so long ago.

[@onepiece666]

@@delta_1632 The part where Radahn stopped the stars to halt his destiny, as part of the Carian royal family, is a really good aspect and very interesting since it shows how he is extremely intelligent, and seems way more likely to be why he did that than to stop the falling stars beasts and similar from invading, and screwing Ranni’s destiny

[@ShadeStormXD]

i think this is supported more too with the form radahn takes. from the remembrancr weapons, this radahn is fashioned to radahn around the time that he challenged the stars. So potentially the version of Radahn that truly was the Promised Consort

[@Oknahidwin]

You perfectly got the lore right. Everything here makes sense

[@alexiam.7131]

I like that theory but can you elaborate on this part: "Miquella tries to manipulate Radahn with his charms, however Radahn due to being from the Raya Lucarian royalty has his fate tethered to the stars, so by halting their movements he can resist the kind of enchantment Mogh and everyone was under. I believe that is the reason Radahn originally challenged the stars." Like how does Radahn holding the starts keep him from being charmed exactly? And do you mean his "fate" is linked to the promise and by him holding the stars he simultainously puts his "fate to become the promised consort" on hold? I hope I understood that correctly.

[@delta_1632]

@@alexiam.7131 So from the game we learn that the fate of Raya Lucarian Royalty is tethered to the stars. Due to this in Ranni's questline for example her fate is at a complete standstil, even extending to the physical like not being able to discover Nokstella, no matter what is tried. Miquella charming/brainwashing a person could be said to alter the persons fate, as all their decisions will either be decided by or at least influenced heavily by Miquella, like in Mogh's case. So I am reasoning that Radahn halting his own fate through the stars could fight off Miquella's enchantment to where it just doesn't take hold as long as he can keep the stars contained. This doesn't need to be the case, maybe Miquella didn't want to use his abilities on Radahn out of respekt or love. But I think it gives a satisfying explanation to something that has been largely speculated about and somewhat of a mistery. As to what their fate actually is, just think of it as their potential future. As long as their fate is halted their future is out of reach since no progression is possible. In the simplest terms just think of them as a character in a novel and the fate being the author writing their story. When the author pauses their future also stays in limbo.

[@MutantHeadcrab]

"And I shall not be dark, but beautiful and terrible as the Morning and the Night! Fair as the Sea and the Sun and the Snow upon the Mountain! Dreadful as the Storm and the Lightning! Stronger than the foundations of the earth. All shall love me and despair!”"

[@MutantHeadcrab]

Miyazaki said that they took the Demigods as written by Martin and corrupted them, taking what they were and making them MORE. Perhaps Miquella the Kind would have once been an ideal god to replace Marika, but no longer. His order would only lead to stagnation of it's own, albeit a spiritual stagnation. Love can fester, and rot, like any other emotion; could the souls of mortal men withstand eternal, never-ending love?

[@lauraheffner5342]

OH MY GOD!!!!!! THAT WAS EXACTLY WHAT I THOUGHT WHE I FIRST READ MIQUELLA'S COMPLETED STORY!!!!!!!!!!!! ESPECIALLY "all shall love me and despair". What a wonderful way to show what Galadriel COULD have been

[@viniluna6562]

cold af comment

[@ianthorpe1925]

"JUST GET IN THE JAR!!" - Horn guys(probably)

[@your_neko]

These jars are the most repugnant thing in Elden Ring, to my taste. And I don't understand why.

[@joshuakim5240]

Hornsent: "Let's stuff these Numen things into jars after whipping and chopping them up. What's the worst that can happen?" Marika: *unleashes Messmer in a Doomslayer level spite crusade of death and destruction*

[@dziosdzynes7663]

shit could be a body horror movie/game by itself

[@noamias4897]

@@joshuakim5240Hornsent: Why would she betray us like this what did we ever do???

[@discipleofdagon8195]

@@joshuakim5240 Still wondering who Messmer's father is. The M-start of the name alludes to Marika and Radagon's kids... but given Messmer is part snake I'm thinking she banged a snake to make him... after all that's literally how Rya was made and would make sense why snakes are hated by the golden order. Its a cover-up, just like keeping Messmer in the land of shadow.

[@garyjonesii6156]

Melania versus Radahn was just a shotgun wedding

[@oliversmith2129]

It was an engagement party

[@Follower_of_Havel]

Malenia:Stay with my brother, just stay with him. Radahn: *NO*

[@discipleofdagon8195]

and somehow the anthrax-coated pellets didn't kill Radahn. It just made him angrier

[@arcanefire7511]

Makes me wonder how much Malenia was bewitched by Miquella. It makes sense for her to support him in this, it benefits her too and we don't know that she is above this, but with a power like Miquella's its hard not to wonder.

[@GriffinStinnett]

I don’t think she was bewitched

[@dankpepe2110]

Nah, I think Malenia knew the plans of her brother all along.

[@arcanefire7511]

@@dankpepe2110 She did, she fight Radahn in service to the plan after all. But did she only do so because she was bewitched by Miquella, or was she genuinely on board with it? The latter is very much possible, but I know that Miquella would use his powers if she wasnt into it

[@restlessGuy69]

St Trinas dialogue is also important since she wants us to kill Miquella so he isn’t trapped

[@invarkul7831]

Is it me or Young Radahn gives a heavy Guts vibe especially with the camera shots when he only has 1 eye showing from under the helmet. And Miquella being clearly inspired by Griffith makes me think that it's kind of a Miyazaki take on what would happen if Griffith gets Guts on his side

[@bernoulli7]

i thought the very same thing

[@greenpinapple820]

The phase two cutsence shot you're talking about is in reference to the messmer fight, no? Where he does the same pose, glowing eye and all. I thought it was meant to show Miquella like taking messmer's soul and adding it to the brother amalgamation(that why he catches on fire at the same time) idk tho maybe they just thought that pose was really cool and forgot they did it like 10 hours prior in the same dlc

[@onepiece666]

It’s obviously a Berserk reference

[@MalikCustoms123]

Radahn is very clearly Geiseric as their silhouettes match perfectly.

[@invarkul7831]

@@MalikCustoms123 Personally of all them I think he reminds me more of Grunbeld especially starscourge version. Tho the lion motif certainly reminds me of Gaiseric

[@TheManofThings777]

I get that a lot of people think Radahn was willingly there with Miquella at the end, but I just don't see this character who: - Loves war - Loves being a general - Loves his horse - Loved his community Would leave all of that behind. IMO, if Radahn wasn't being controlled by Miquella he'd, for one, just talk to us and try to get us to see Miquella's perspective, and second he'd for sure run right back to Caelid to check in on his people.

[@ornado4773]

Miguella = Griffith , Radahn = Guts. This is the future Griffith would have wanted if Guts stayed with him, enthralled by Griffith and forever his friend, but never his equal.

[@jaieregilmore971]

An age of compassion wouldn’t work without genuine love and Miquella setting himself up to fail when got rid of his emotions and St Trina who is the benevolence part of Miquella who knew being a god is just prison of divinity without the person Miquella would had been a machine someone worse than marika.

[@brotheroblivion]

Ansbach quickly became one of my favorite npcs in the souls series.

[@sreeharipradeep]

gigachad

[@discipleofdagon8195]

He's tied for me with Igon... That man is sheer will incarnate

[@AndrewRyan-zv7zb]

Even if he was brainwashed, it was still good to see Radahn uncorrupted by the Rot.

[@Hotmuminyourarea]

Yeah since Miquella has removed his love by removing St. Trina. The age of compassion is basically just an age of manipulation. Also The NPC’s that got together to find Miquella reminded me of the Band of the Hawk too. I really liked the DLC.

[@ChitzenItza42]

People who haven't gotten to the final boss of the DLC: "Man there sure are a lot of Radahn thumbnails in my timeline, wonder what that's about."

[@marcuscallahan4645]

Miquella is insane. He wasn’t able to charm him so prolly sent malenia to set his soul free. Charmed Mohg which now it makes sense why he says my dearest miquella. Then used his body for his master plan.

[@DepressiveWeeb]

Man, they made a vow, a deal. Why are people thinking that Miquella is charming Radahn, he's a promissed lord, like he was on it

[@boneman-calciumenjoyer8290]

@@DepressiveWeeb and Malenia had to deal with him because he was in on it... sure, sounds reasonable enough.

[@Th3_Raven]

@@DepressiveWeeb If Radahn was willing to become Miquella's consort then there largely would've been no reason for Malenia to wage war upon him as the Blade of Miquella.

[@finlaytemple1744]

​@@boneman-calciumenjoyer8290again he could have agreed to the vow and been distracted by the shattering, doesn't mean it was an unwilling act

[@boneman-calciumenjoyer8290]

@@finlaytemple1744 oh yeah, he could have agreed to it, we just don't have anything pointing in that direction other than the only character with brainwashing powers claiming it to be so. We do have a lot of things suggesting that he wasn't on board with the idea... Like the fact that Miquella send his attackdog of a sister to slay him. I'll gladly agree that Radahn is in on it, if someone manages to explain this to me.

[@zenny_ox]

3:40 - this makes me so uneasy, but i’m glad we finally got some St Trina, albeit a teenie amount! 10:59 - Cannot think of a better NPC character than Ansbach, such a fountain of knowledge to be tapped by us theorists. “Miquella is a monster”

[@noamias4897]

Ansbach was based from the start, I just couldn't see it

[@Kuroganemk2]

So Miquella's big plan is to turn everyone gay.

[@sreeharipradeep]

basically yeah

[@abdieljove2011]

Maybe Alex Jones was warning us about Miquella all along!

[@discipleofdagon8195]

@@abdieljove2011 "I DON'T LIKE EM PUTTING GODWYNS IN THE WATER THAT TURN THE FRICKIN FROGS GREY (basilisks are grey... ahaha)"

[@gadman85]

A good video talking about it all. In the base game when I first read the description of the "Bewitching Branch" and seeing how it works, I was starting to think Miquella wasn't as innocent and wonderful as everyone said he was in game. It hints at how masterful Miquella was at compelling the hearts of others. It really is incredible (and rather out there) how a consumable you buy from one merchant (I think its just that guy outside Bellum Church who sells them) was such a key to understanding the truth about Miquella.

[@ct-782hevy4]

I was skeptical after seeing the branches but wrote it off as his way to bring those who seek nothing but destruction under his control to use their power for good. Now I see it as his tool of submission, a precursor to his age of compassion

[@Trimondius]

The reason we even had a slimmer of chance against Prime Gigachad Radahn and Miquella is because Leonard's soul didnt resurrect there.

[@Ron_Jambo_]

You know what it put a smile on mu face to know that Leonard is just grazing in infinite plain with his best buddy Radhan in whatever horse afterlife would be in Elden Rong 😊

[@somentesimconcerteza6329]

that is not prime Radahn but young radahn buffed by god miquella but I am sure that young radahn+ god miquella is stronger than prime radahn

[@patricklodge1576]

@@somentesimconcerteza6329 nah bro its prime radahn

[@abx546]

That's just moghs body shaped to be radahn with radahn controlled soul inside it +miquela

[@dziosdzynes7663]

@@patricklodge1576 did you even watch the video? this "radahn" is even more braindead than rotted radahn

[@andypomales1558]

Poor bro can't catch a break

[@miguelhernandez3730]

poor guts. i mean radahn

[@ilikestamps2978]

It honestly makes sense why he's the final boss of the DLC. Malenia was the hardest boss in the base game, and even she couldn't kill Radahn

[@firebrand723]

Miquella abandoned his love yet says he will begin an age of compassion? A savior doesn’t do that, a monster does that.

[@noamias4897]

Miquella is and always has been a douche and I'm so happy about that

[@discipleofdagon8195]

"I want everyone to fear how much they love me." - Michael Scott, Elden Manager

[@aura3n]

That’s not referring to literally the emotion love, but St. Trina as his love itself LMAO. The misery of slogging through dumb as hell Radahn centered discourse starts once again

[@Twilight55685]

Shit is actually DEEP

[@Twilight55685]

Ofc its elden ring anyway

[@MalevolentStudios]

It would appear that Miquella's power of charm and manipulation is a bit meta, as nearly the entire playerbase was under the impression that he was the only "good" demigod. This is of course despite the existence of the bewitching branch, which really told all we needed to know. We just chose not to see it as such.

[@jetfuel791]

Tbh I couldn't trust Miquella after I found out about the branch. I knew that nothing in Elden Ring should be taken at face value, so there was definitely something cooking up.

[@andersonmarques1666]

I think the only good demigods are radahn and morgot, idk about mogh and godwyn

[@CahanDragon]

@@andersonmarques1666 I would say Messmer also is a good guy. His crusade is fully justified. And he is following Marika's orders.

[@arcanefire7511]

@@CahanDragon genocide is bad actually

[@wolfwoodstyleblue3946]

@@arcanefire7511 who's to say it's genocide tho, not the dead that's forsure and the victors will never allow it to be portrayed in that light,

[@Little_pug]

Radahn lives for battle and Miquellas new age would’ve ruined him because there would be no battle in an age of compassion

[@ORLY911]

There would also be nothing to live for without choice

[@stefanylima1627]

Agreed. Also, I think Radahn did not accept Miquella's vow and used his studies of gravitational magic to stop the stars and thus prevent his own fate that Miquella had sealed without his consent. Malenia coming after him in Caelid means she had to prevent him from holding the stars (stopping the destiny), killing his physical body and forcing him to go to the Shadowland to fulfill Miquella's wish (but she failed because Radahn was the strongest demigod, but the Tarnished succeeded - shame on us).

[@Mario-SunshineGalaxy64]

I was wrong about Miquella. I genuinely and naively believed he would've been the Jesus of Elden Ring but instead ended up being a sort of Griffith clone, someone who’s not just willing to crack a few eggs to make an omelette but the whole carton. Him using Radahn, Mohg, and his followers the way he did was nothing short of heinous. Mohg especially didn’t deserve all that happened to him. Still, I believe his overall goal does more good than harm, he is trying to make a more peaceful world. He tried to do it by force, true, and is essentially going to lobotomize the world into being kind and compassionate, but it wasn't like asking nicely was going to stop all the senseless bloodshed and violence. While some view his goal as subjugation others would see it as a salvation and relief from the countless acts of oppression, discrimination, and hatred that has continued to plague the world.

[@abdieljove2011]

Problem is, in his ascension to godhood, he cast away everything. Even his capacity to feel love. And I don’t mean that in a poetic way, he LITERALLY cast away his love, and it’s implied it became Trina. Whst kind of Age of Compassion can be made by one who can no longer feel love?

[@Osiris491]

Honestly same, in most FromSoft games there's no really "Good" ending so I was suspicious at first but the more I learned about Miquella (before the DLC) I was really hoping for a genuinely not fucked up character with an actual perfect ending. Honestly this hella shocked me, I have new impressions of so many characters now, Malenia, Miquella, Marika, Radahn, Mohg. It's insane, FromSoft really cooked hard with this one.

[@Mario-SunshineGalaxy64]

@@abdieljove2011 Compassion isn’t always guided by love. If someone buys a homeless person a meal or helps change a stranger’s flat tire or something similar that doesn’t mean that someone loves them. They might just feel empathetic or think it’s the right thing to do, no deep feelings of love required. I think Miquella would’ve operated in a similar manner, he would no longer love but would use thought and reason to determine what compassion should look like.

[@theobell2002]

But why, though? Not a single character in media who can "charm people to their side" has ever had good intentions. And even if they do, it's inherently messed up to rob people of their agency.

[@CDio-vr3bx]

Vile eye made an excellent point albeit in an unrelated note. The TLDR is that we has human beings cannot feel hate to something without loving something else. Morgott loved the erdtree and hated us because we wanted to burn it even despite the pain caused to omen like himself. Miquella's version of a peaceful world was a world inprisoned. Distinctly inhuman. Its worth noting that the haligtree is a giant bewitching branch meaning in all likelihood. None of the haligtrees defenders are there of their own volition except for Malenia though even that could be called into question. Radahn was made a slave to miquella's will. Whats to say Malenia already weakened by rot wasnt being controlled also or at least forced into going along with his plan. Miquella is indeed a monster.

[@Yking2077]

Wouldn't the gate of divinity imply that there were other Gods before Marika? If so, who made the gate of divinity?

[@timelineenjoyer]

There were many many many gods before

[@Th3_Raven]

We know for a fact the existence of two, the Dragon and Fell Gods that Marika crushed in her conquests to solidify the Golden Order. It stands to reason that this is just the latest of many cycles like it before.

[@Martin-lm8xp]

@@Th3_Raven Hornsent also worshipped many god of crucible and they used to create deities. Like those crazy masked hornsents with twin blades are failed deities (according to spirit ashes). And then there are the Mother of Truth, the Goddess of Rot, the serpent god. And there are Godskins who slayed gods.

[@Th3_Raven]

@@Martin-lm8xp Ngl those ones had slipped my mind lol.

[@sk8legendz]

Based on its location there in the tower, it seems pretty straightforward to assume that the Gate of divinity must have been related to the warshippers of the crucible, the horn scent and their ascension to sainthood.

[@TEEZY105]

The moment I didn’t see Lenord I knew something was off

[@SirOnyxsu]

This video singlehandedly solved every after question I had after learning more about the base game's story/lore back then and pieced it all together, filling in the gaps. Cheers mate! Great Video, Insta-subbed!~

[@DizzyEyes94]

I'm thinking on who exactly may have been responsible for Mohg's body being absconded with... And once you think about it, the only other character we see at the Cocoon of the Empyrean is LEDA: the most loyal of Miquella's followers, enough-so to remain faithful well-after the great rune is broken.

[@nemesisundead83]

One of, if not the main reason, he held back the stars cause he didn't want to stop being a general

[@jonaspierce9478]

i wish i could subscribe twice. that was an amazing video. the cinematography flowed perfectly with the story he told, and he didn’t leave out anything. 10/10 🤝

[@abcdef2072]

I think that Ansbach’s assessment of Miquella is not necessarily unbiased. He is a follower of Mogh who was a cruel and murderous fanatic following the blood mother and who has committed atrocities in his own right. Yet Ansbach speaks very highly of him and doesn’t think Mogh’s past actions make him a monster. So perhaps his moral compass is not the best either and his view of Miquella, being Mogh’s adversary, is primarily driven by allegiance and less by morality. I do believe that Miquella is in the wrong! But you have completely glossed over St. Trina’s dialogue, who also opposes Miquella and is probably the reasonable part he discarded (many say she is his love and compassion), yet she paints a very different picture of him. Her entire dialogue is about how Miquella would be negatively affected by godhood (imprisoned, caged divinity beyond saving). She even calls him a poor thing, implying that she has sympathy for him (and also that Miquella still seems to be able to feel/suffer/be vulnerable). Even if she is (part of?) his discarded love/compassion she doesn't seem to oppose him primarily because she thinks he is a full-blown monster now that needs to be stopped but because she worries about his personal state of well-being. She does say you shall grant him forgiveness, indicating she think he has committed wrongs, but a) she still seems to think he deserves forgiveness despite them (and has not become so depraved that he is beyond being worthy of being forgiven). And b) she still seems to prioritise his suffering because granting him forgiveness is the very last thing she mentions after repeatedly worrying about his well-being. (This is why I want to believe that he has not literally discarded his love/compassion but that he ended up suppressing it more and more and that St. Trina may be the embodiment of those now unconscious, suppressed feelings - but they are still there inside of him). I trust St. Trina’s judgement more than Ansbach’s in that regard. (If St. Trina is truly his discarded love then this would also mean he had love to discard to begin with, which is why I disagree with the now rather common fan theory that he was just a narcissist with a god complex from the start.) We also don’t know how exactly pre-godhood Miquella’s power to compel people works because after his great rune is broken everyone who was previously affected stuck with him except for Ansbach and Thiollier (and both have different reasons for opposing him). Even Freyja, Radahn’s follower who knew of the plan to revive him, didn’t change her mind. It seems like she still kept her stance that his revival was not an insult to her admired leader but a good fate for him and was ready to defend Miquella to the death out of her own volition. (Whether she is right about this being good for Radahn is another question. The point is, this is her own opinion.) So I’m not sure if empyrean Miquella can literally mind-control people as many say now. It seems a lot more subtle to me, as in him being able to inspire a strong sense of affection that creates the deep desire to side with him but also a sense of healing (see e.g. Freyja and her lasting attitude towards her scar thanks to Miquella's healing/intervention etc.) in others they’d not normally display, but that does not completely override their character and will, personality and capacity to have desires. This is in itself not good but it is also not the same as being mind-controlled in the sense of being puppeteered like a mere marionette. And it makes sense that Ansbach in particular might be very afraid of this power since his strong allegiance to Mogh whereas the others seemed to be less fazed by it after their bewitchment was broken I think there is a lot of nuance and a lot that we don’t know yet. (It seems to be a different story when it comes to his god state. See the heart steal attack. Though who knows, perhaps it is actually similar and our bowing down to him happens in a state of mind that is similar to the one his previous followers were in. It’s hard to tell since it’s a battle mechanic and thus also has to fulfil technical fight design purposes. We can only guess.) It’s also not completely clear if the actual Radahn’s soul has returned or not, since Ansbach does great him with a degree of reverence and reminds him that he needs to give up the body he is using as it is not his own. It’s not definitive proof but it also seems strange to me that he would react with such a level of respect if he suspected he was just facing a controlled husk. Perhaps he just doesn’t know but we also have no definitive proof of the contrary. The same goes for the question regarding whether Radahn agreed to the vow or not: we don’t know. It’s purposefully left open but the absence of evidence isn’t the evidence of absence (e.g. the absence of Radahn’s agreement). There are also theories that Radahn got corrupted by his great rune after the shattering and forgot about his vow or that his part of the agreement was a final battle worthy of a warlord. We don’t know if these things are true either. I’m not saying they are. The point is just that the game has not given us clear answers. So framing it as if we can say with certainty how their agreement played out (if he was bewitched or not, why Malenia fought him, if he was revived against his will) just seems premature, not very sincere and not in line with the lore we actually have. That’s why I disagree with the conclusion that Radahn definitely was mind-controlled here. I think it’s more accurate to say: we just don’t know. To me personally (hence it’s speculative) Miquella is a depiction of a failed "Jesus". Somebody who has pure intentions and who needs to commit self-sacrifice to help the world but unlike his biblical counterpart his story doesn't end in perfect(ly happy/peaceful) godhood. He is doomed and his self-sacrifice would result in pain and imprisonment for him, and as an extension to that of his world, because can a god that has lost himself and who is trapped in perpetual pain really be the perfect all-encompassing messiah that mends the world? (No.) I perceive him as someone who ended up being a completely misguided, tragic figure that actually wanted to do good and whose love was genuine but then he got corrupted/disillusioned over and over again until he completely lost himself, leading him to lose his love and so much that was good about him. You could use an ironic word-play that the more disenchanted (ha) he became, the more he lost sight of his true ideals and fell down the "the end justifies the means" path. It would be interesting if his use of enchantment was an expression of despair (not saying that this excuses it) and helplessness in the face of the hopeless world that are the lands between, so he'd grow ever more anxious (he seems fearful and almost pleading in his remembrance) in his need to succeed in ensuring what was initially a genuinely good outcome (but which might by now be corrupted by his disillusions or delusions - whatever you see more fitting - perhaps both?).

[@stabcityblues5264]

They should add a new ending to the base game where you become lord of Miquella and it's called Age of Consent

[@monkeking4919]

All that for my frenzied lord self to pack up the entire plan 🚬

[@Imnotabush]

wow bro. great video. now i understand all of this stuff. You did this in 15 minutes. Great Job!

[@ZeroReaper42]

See, my thing is, I think Radahn wanted this. Radahn, Miquella, and Malenia set up a vow and a plan for a new Age after the fall of Marika, each of them having their own reasons for doing so. Miquella wanted to do this out of naive kindness, Malenia did it for her brother, and Radahn did it because he wanted glory and an eternal fight. He was always down for war because he wanted to be like his father, who also found glory and power by becoming Queen Marika's consort and conquering the lands on behalf of her. The Shattering was the perfect battleground for Radahn and Malenia, with the both of them testing Radahn's strength and to see if he was fit to be consort by fighting a powerful opponent in Malenia. Once the fight was done, Miquella retrieved Radahn's soul, manipulated Mohg and used his body as the perfect vessel, and became a god by passing through the Gate of Divinity in the Shadow Lands. The reason why I say this is because Freyja, a trusted warrior and follower of Radahn, sides with Leda because she was able to intuit the nature of the vow and Radahn's motivation, thanks to Ser Ansbach's deductions. She didn't care if Mohg's body was being defiled. She wanted to see the General of the Redmanes return and she wanted the vow to be honored on behalf of Radahn.

[@DemetedP]

Yeah, they wouldn't have an included a Redmane warrior for nothing. It's clear that Freyja's role was meant to give us a clue on Radahn's position in this whole thing otherwise there'd be no point in her siding with Leda that way.

[@samueleferrari6195]

Miquella forced Radahn to become gay💀

[@silverdragon9504]

But we saved him from it 🗿

[@theredknight9314]

YOU WILL LOVE THE FEMBOY AND YOU WILL ENJOY IT - Miquella 2024

[@mduckernz]

@@theredknight9314Sorta, he abandoned Trina. The manipulative part of him is him WITHOUT his feminine aspect

[@Jakov-or7fp]

​@@mduckernzdo you not see that Miquella looks kinda Like a Woman, still very femenine.

[@MrKoutavis]

Total Purity is madness. No light without shadow, no shadow without light.

[@jmurphisback]

This is an excellent informative and easy to follow video, much appreciated!

[@JDWalker495]

Prime Radahn being a franken omen makes so much sense now, i was confused why he had omen cursed flames but now it makes sense.

[@ReactRapTuga]

miquella used moghs body to trap radahn soul innit, thats why u see omen features

[@SeNki3301]

The only thing I don’t understand is when exactly Messmer was born, though that may be nitpicking. He’s obviously Marika’s son and has Radagon’s hair, but I was always under the impression that Marika only started having children with Radagon(aka with herself) after Godfrey was banished. The abyssal snake inside Messmer is even a defect similar to Malenia’s scarlet rot and Miquella’s eternal youth. But the timeline here would suggest Messmer was born before Mohg and Morgott, which were Godfrey’s children. I think the only possible answer would be that Messmer was Marika’s first child and that she had already created the alter ego of Radagon to have him with. Again, this may be nitpicking the lore and may be unimportant, but it just seems like there’s some weird time shenanigans going on.

[@dreadlock375]

On the red hair thing, I believe its not a Radagon exclusive thing. In the DLC, we see many creatures with red hair (one of the many things seen as blasphemous against the Golden Order atleast before Radagon. So, just like all his other heresies, I believe his red hair are just another form of his absolute heresy. IMO he is a child made only by Marika, just like Malenia and Miquella technically were, except this time without even the character of Radagon. Just her alone. Explains his "defect" too.

[@arealhumanbean3058]

There is a whip that states that "numen flesh is good at fusing with one another" so one idea I have seen being thrown around is that Radagon and Marika were both separate numens that later conjoined into one being With this in mind, Messmer (and Melina) could have been Marika's first children with her actual first husband: Radagon Iirc, there is even a church where Marika said "thou arst yet to become me" when refering to Radagon

[@nikolafeschiev3399]

"If you fail to become lord at all you will be forsaken ,ammounting only to sacrifices"

[@Lena-de2ws]

I have a theory about how Miquella was so sure about his godhood. Because in his memory he says I am going to be God. Not I will be a God. So he is very very certain. And wants a promise. But why he can be so certain while he has 2 rivals? Or we can add 2 more. Gloam Eyed Queen and Empyrean Grandam. Because he saw his fate in the stars. Do you remember the amber starlight for Seluvis quest? We found this starlight in a hiding place. That place name is Saint Trina's Hideout in cut content. And we find Miquella's statue in there. Furthermore, the draught Seluvis made has 2 features. The draught is nectar-sweet and has a charm even capable of slave a demi-god. These features are belongs to both Saint Trina and Miquella. "Goodness gracious, the way it glistens...utterly enchanting. To think, this was once a demigod's very fate... My oh my oh my...." Miquella saw this star and told this to Radahn and wanted promise. Radahn exactly knew what can be happen if Miquella become God. So he trained himself for gravity and stopped the stars for Miquella's fate. He never wanted to be a slave to a God.

[@kevinnguyen2107]

Ansbach is a bro

[@user-su4pm7kx8i]

Story and lorewise I was a little disappointed at first seeing Radahn again as the final boss. But after looking further into it, and now watching this video perfectly putting it all together... this is such a cool and honestly well written story. It makes me love Radahn even more, gives a whole new perspective on Mohg, and I also think it works really well to emphasize the whole "wielding love as a weapon" thing. Fighting Miquella straight up probably wouldn't have been the right move for his character.

[@Hyacynthesis]

My brother in Christ, the spoiler tag means nothing if he is IN THE THUMBNAIL. First time this got spoiled for me too, and I've only beaten the lion dancer from the trailers. Jeebys H. Cripes.

[@JohnHPixelMD]

It's 2024 my dude, if you don't want to be spoiled about something than stay the hell off the internet. This is some basic common sense stuff these days. You only have yourself to blame if you actually thought people wouldn't be posting spoilers everywhere about this DLC.

[@Hyacynthesis]

@@JohnHPixelMD yes because elden ring videos are the only thing to exist on the entire KZbin platform. Also, im subscribed, so I got this as a notification to my phone. Should I really unsub every channel that might post spoilers?

[@demonbasher23]

Maybe just stop whining about it​@@Hyacynthesis

[@PareSM]

Bro if you don’t wanna be spoiled get the fuck off the internet. What are you talking about? Shit’s been out for a week, why are you crying?

[@thesketchartist6328]

Amazing video 👏🏾 you explained the lore perfectly! Thank you

[@stubbornpotatogaming6220]

Radahn is a Chad fighting 2 battles in different fronts. Avoiding Miquella's plans in the Shadow Realm and Holding back the stars to avoid Ranni's plan

[@GassyMask]

First, he's infected with super cancer by Malenia because he doesn't want to marry his half-brother. Then, he spends who know's how long suffering from the scarlet rot only to finally get the glorious death he wanted. He's then brought back to life and enslaved to fight for something he doesn't want, Radahn can't catch a break.

[@strangepro4]

Thoughts on the Putrescent Knight boss being Radahn and his horse? Putrescents are beings who were once tainted flesh and those two so happened to get ahold of Trina’s nectar becoming Trina’s knight. Knowing the ending his flesh could have been bound by his love (by choice or mind control) to be by Miquella’s side which gravitated towards the closest thing to Miquella being St Trina. The place is called the Coffin fissure so more than likely those giant ships are coffins used for giants. Radahn died before the events of the dlc so his body could have been sent out to see before we got there meaning his flesh could have had time to transform into what we currently see. Coffin fissure’s cross is also where Miquella abandoned his love and if Miquella/Radahn relationship is romantic to a extent whether it be just one sided or not it would be a fitting place for both parts of their being to meet up. As far as we know St Trina doesn’t talk to many people besides us and that could just be because she knows that we killed Radahn but doesn’t quite trust us until we show full commitment after killing her protector freeing him from being tainted flesh.

[@toreport5358]

Miquella was at the aftermath of the fight of Malenia and Radahn. Freyja's dialogue reveals it when you ask her about her damaged armor. "Long ago, I was stricken by scarlet rot in the Swamp of Aeonia. Immobile, feverish, and in great pain, I was entirely resigned to death. I was left behind, and only Kindly Miquella was enough to seek me out. My wound was swollen and festering - exuding a most pungent odour - and yet he drained the poison from it. ...Despite my wretched visage. Now, I consider this wound my compass." By the time, the fight ended, Miquella was already at Moghwyn Palace. You are wondering why he was able to rescue Freyja if he was stuck at Mogh's place. Only one explanation, his soul left his body to go check on Radahn after the fight with his sister but only to find that he was still alive. Miquella saw Freyja and charmed her into his service. That is also why all the blood Mogh offered to Miquella, he still received no response because there was nothing there but a corpse. Miquella then went on to give Melina the whistle to call Torrent so she can give to us. He hoped that we would finish off Radahn so his soul can be collected and put into Mogh's corpse. Additionally, Miquella has to divest himself of his humanity, which can be seen at the crosses (his fear, his doubts, his love,...). I find it ironic that how can he save the world when he cannot even save his other self, how can he even create an Age of Compassion when he literally threw away "what shouldn't have" (his love, St. Trina). There is a phantom before the Putrescence Knight that mentions these things. He was naive, delusional and selfish. P/s: Love your vids, Jake.

[@hunterprice321]

This actually ties so many things together

[@t0nitru5]

I think miquella originally didint want radahn as consort but godwyn. godwayn was neigh perfect, firstborn and favourite child of marika, strongest of the demigods (presumably) and they both shared a strong compassion for one another. But since godwyns soul died (and with died i mean completly dead, 100% perished, not revivable) and his body turned into a vegetable, he chose the next best pick which was radahn.

[@abydosianchulac2]

Could have possibly used Godwyn's body instead of Mogh's if it hadn't morphed into an eldritch mermaid.

[@orly4672]

So maybe that's why he tried so hard to find a way to bring Godwyn back to life or at least bring him a proper death. Maybe Ranni knew some of Miquella's plans and tried to sabotage it.

[@guardianvalor962]

Radhan was Miqulested

[@olisaer3486]

we were all miqulested...

[@mongoslade259]

Been waiting for this one! I first got into Elden Ring because I saw the Radahn fight, then watched your video to learn more about it. I watched all your vids and got hooked on the game.

[@untitled2012]

“He wields love”…. Wow man, what a story

[@colincrissler6913]

8:59 What an absolutely amazing shot

[@Moss_and_Such]

Gods in this world are summoned by hopelessness and suffering.

[@soltonali4481]

8:00 one interesting fact ( shortend version of the summery of the details from the mother of fingers remeberence and weapons notes ) the greater will was not telling anything to the fingers for a looooooong while . she ( mother of fingers ( daughter of greater will ) ) answered the fingers herself for soo long . ( thats why the fingers even allow you and dont resist burning erdtree )

[@wiktorbabula6718]

great video dude, cant wait for more