Where Were Kratos & Mimir Falling To?

#godofwar #vortex #kratos #theory
One of the most mysterious scenes In God of War Valhalla happens when Kratos breaks the rules of Valhalla and they start to fall into an ominous red vortex. In this video I'll try to explain what it could be
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[@gravedigger4583]

The theories about who blew the horn will always be interesting with me. Also, the vortex above Kratos' home is such an incredible view! I never noticed that it was AN ACTUAL VORTEX there!

[@LauftFafa]

the horn part was probably retconned or ignored . it feels like one of those things made for later use but never used or totally retconned for a totally different explanation later . i am pretty sure originally they meant it to be Baldur since he was the one on their feet and the one looking and asking . later fans started to think its a times loop and that it was a future kratos who did that . then they thought it was Future ragnarok's calling , they they thought it was Angrboda but fans are just looking everywhere when the original answer is that it was Baldur and Santa monica too didnt care much until fans started throwing narrative and this made them say that one year they will tell because they thought it would be too anticlimatic to ignore fan's hype about it

[@Asgardian30]

@@LauftFafa Cory Barlog did confirm in a tweet that it was Baldur who blew the horn. that makes no sense to me because if that is the case 1. How would he communicate with the serpent. 2. Why would that end in anything other than a fight? 3. If there was a fight where is the evidence of said fight?

[@LauftFafa]

@@Asgardian30 well he fought it later and he defeated the crap out of him . He knocked him out to make him throw kratos out . They didn't cause many havoc. But back to what you said , yes i know its weird but i feel they gonna retcon that for later like with the blades and so many things

[@alfredopasta3784]

@@LauftFafathe best explanation is that it was probably baldur. If it was somebody else the developers woulve adressed it a long time now

[@Asgardian30]

@@LauftFafa you'd think there would be damage. Was Jormunganger's tooth always missing from that one spot?

[@thedstroyer0075]

I think I see a connection. When Athena died protecting Zeus she ascended right? When Thor died after fighting kratos (he was seeking to protect his daughter thrúd) he started glowing and disappeared as if he ascended to the higher plane. When kratos was getting the blades to protect Atreus. The red sky rift appeared. When kratos tried to save Mimir it appeared again. Do you think if kratos died in these situations that he would ascend to the higher plane? Is this like a selection ritual to the higher gods?

[@nickfrost4518]

Honestly don’t know what to make of this since we might as well be stepping into fanfic territory, but let’s roll back to GoW 1, there was a red vortex when Ares showed up to help Kratos with the barbarians. Although if it is some sort of trial that might explain why the red-themed Hades realm was such a pain to go through. Come to think of it I never realised until now just how similar it is to Valhalla

[@koolkris7078]

​@@nickfrost4518red themed Hades realm? You mean that level you go through after kratos dies in gow2

[@EpicvidsKetti08]

Thor Glowed Blue that might be an important detail

[@dannyleo5787]

From what we know as of now with the higher plains. Whatever controls this existence is choosing which gods ascend. Valhalla may have shown a glimpse of what kratos has already experienced when he was falling with mimir. I won’t be surprised if this series ends with the reveal of ares ascending due to the fact that his body became a nuke, therefore he too may have found improvement where he did not before.

[@frankkennedy6388]

​@@nickfrost4518David Jaffe said the level could have used more playtesting.

[@Bjorn0war]

The 3 Furies were born from a same kind of vortex, i think you forgot that primordials war scene from GOW Ascension

[@KaptainKuba]

Hey that's a good point. The Furies were such a boring villain that I forgot their origin story 😂

[@meldrickedwards1892]

@@KaptainKuba Damn. 😂 Fair, but damn.

[@Nothingness4907]

The Novel do say The Furies were born along Aphrodite from the blood of the cutted genitals of Cronos though💀

[@brokemono]

Is Kratos a primordial in disguise? Kratos can respawn for real?

[@Bjorn0war]

@@KaptainKuba yeah man😂, surely they were boring but we can't deny the fact that they were one of the most powerful beings in Gow universe, they easily imprisoned Aegaeon the Hecatonchires.

[@smooothjazzz]

The vortex was above the home because that is where the blades were. Something is up with the blades, potentially about how they came to be (including the cutscene). Surtr said promordial fire? I think that's where your next theory/thoughts should go: how any of the pantheons are connected to the same building blocks/elements/resources and the pantheons potential origins/creation.

[@ArakkoaChronicles]

In the Greek mythology (and many others) chaos was the beginning of all things. In the beginning, there was only chaos, and then all the primordial beings like Gaia began to shape and take consciousness. Interestingly enough, in the Norse mythology in the beginning there was... order, kind of? There was no big churning chaos, but fire and ice that politely sat on their own ends of the Ginnungagap. Until they started to interact and that spurred everything into action.

[@itsmegoodbye9227]

Funny thing is, the oldest primordial of all, is Chaos. My theory is that the Blades of Chaos were imbued with a fragment of Chaos itself. And the old, ancient primordial is slowly waking up as kratos uses it outside of greece. Chaos is trying to reach further out and destroy all, sewing Chaos.

[@scarameowSucksAtGaming]

​@@itsmegoodbye9227wow someone who doesn't even know the nature of Chaos, Chaos when broken down is madness, change, uncertainty, creation, life and light, whilst Order when broken down is logic, stagnation, certainty, destruction, death and darkness, Chaos doesn't seek destruction it seeks discord, after all the good side of Chaos is freedom and the evil side is anarchy, whilst Order seeks unity and the good side of Order is justice and the evil side is tyranny

[@thesilentsociety3252]

The 2018 novel stated that red skies & vortex were a result of Atreus dying, so I assume since he is half-Greek his death could result in chaos spreading.

[@LauftFafa]

that was the vortex above his house , this one look way more bigger and maybe just an aesthetic choice for a none material realm . something like a void fissure to an immaterial realm or to none existence / chaos itself

[@thatonerotom8999]

That actually makes sense in hindsight, I wonder what disaster would've happened had he died

[@mookiebetts_50mvp35]

What page?

[@taddad2641]

@@thatonerotom8999 that is why i don't abide novels very often. they are often secondary canon. it doesn't work in context of the norse pantheon. in the greek realm the gods had absolute power. in these realms the gods do not.

[@Marcelelias11]

​@@taddad2641He's half-greek and half-norse, who know how that affects stuff cosmologically

[@marcofioretti6908]

I'm gonna be honest, the fist time I saw that vortex i thought we fell into Hades because it reminded me of how Hades looked in GoW 1. My head was in full greek myth mode and the fact that Valhalla is a type of afterlife made connect the dots.

[@user-nd3tl6cz9w]

I agree, Tartarus was the first thought. To me this scene confirmed that Kratos's soul will return to his own world if he die

[@backbonedray7612]

This makes the most sense to me, everything ain't all that difficult, I think they were simply falling to hell and their physical bodies were in the process of being banished there for breaking the rules of Valhalla

[@kokushibo1014]

I like that sigrun is developped in this dlc and leaves her valkyrie status to explore the world

[@johnniejohnson4528]

Can’t forget Atreus emotions change the weather and I think him being sick and mixed up with Kratos not telling him could be a reason for those circumstances

[@user-cs2yc1fl1m]

Honestly the thing that got me to think that Athena IS just Athena in GOW 3 is when Kratos lists "deceit " as one of the fears in the box. Also I think when Mimir says "Higher Plane" they mean a higher level in distance. I think this because it goes from normal norse realms, to the primordial realms, to Greece, and finely to the top of Olympus; the highest part of Kratos' Valhalla. Also I'm pretty sure that we fight Tyr where we fight Zeus in God of War 3 at the top of Olympus, not sure if anyone noticed this or if I'm wrong though. Thanks for reading my thoughts, great video!

[@arocraft]

I think a higher plane of existence may be related to emotions, it's a bit of a stretch, but colors are often compared to emotions and you have, for example, Red is anger, blue is hope, and green is greed. after all, the most powerful force in the universe is emotions, which even govern gods. And here they show the green Athena who wants to grab everything for herself and the green rift that made Odin greedy and only think about her. In the comics you have blue-eyed Athena who guides Kratos towards the hope of a new life and Thor, who regained hope that he can fix everything, went to a higher plane of existence in a blue glow. and of course you have Kratos who is fueled by anger because he had to retrieve the blades of chaos and was also angry that he was cheated and mimir almost got killed because of him. What if the Higher plane of existence are the deities of emotion and Kratos will have to face these three deities throughout his journeys. in the first series Kratos faced anger, in the second he understood what hope is and maybe in the third he will face greed

[@couchcrestation6464]

after going through many of the theories in this comment section and also several other videos I think this one is my favorite

[@Wolfgang_0712]

My biggest concern was how Kratos was so cool with the void, the red rift, why was he so cool with what was going on? I don't think it was so simple as he relied on the mechanics of Valhalla.

[@colored433]

Come on, it's Kratos we're talking about after all. Whatever it was in that vortex, Kratos would kill it and climb out of it or kill the vortex itself 😂.

[@Wolfgang_0712]

@@colored433 you're so right but hear me out. Game dev: so what's our explanation? Oh he's to angry to die and he is chill cause he knows death. Dude, that's to easy and Santa Monica has proven again and again they subvert expectations. There is definitely more to the first climactic than meets the eye.

[@Shamman2077]

“In moments of crisis, panic does nothing”

[@Orion-Pax_34]

Kratos literally crawled out of Hades, which looks very similar to the void, twice. I think he’s beyond being frightened of death

[@zacharyseiders5793]

Kratos has been on Hell's borders so many times that this one doesn't phase him too much.

[@Krissyd215]

I could've sworn i heard a quote from Cory that said something about it being only one real answer, the person that was looking for Kratos at the time (Baldr). Bc at the final fight, he said "i knew hurting the big snake would get you guys out". So he knew that they were on good terms with Jormungandr. Likely didn't answer Baldr when he blew the horn to ask

[@dudeguy8686]

I don't think SMS would be so tight-lipped if it was simply Baldur

[@Krissyd215]

@@dudeguy8686 true, I just figured they were trolling, like how Cory would do the "never heard of it" thing when asked about GoW. From what I remember, it was an interview with Cory. I'm gonna see if I can find it. Totally possible that I'm misremembering so I'm trying to find it lol

[@dudeguy8686]

@@Krissyd215 Good luck finding it, it'd be great to have more of a clue to the horn-sounder besides that there IS someone. Been theorizing it might be related to time-travel, with Atreus as my biggest suspect, but we'll see eventually, I'm sure.

[@moustafaabousalem1411]

A part of me thinks the higher order of gods are supposed to be on another level but then i remembered how Athena who is now on a higher plan of existance was terrified of Kratos when it looked like he was going to strike her down.

[@nosequeponermenosoymuyorig1712]

That was just surprise, also remember when Zeus died and he went to the "higher order" he literally destroy all the weapons of Kratos with just a little lightning and he broke Kratos neck with one arm

[@virtual_bomber5698]

@@nosequeponermenosoymuyorig1712 Zeus did not ascend. It was the power of the Evils in pandora's box awakened after Kratos almost killed him. The same thing happened when the power of hope awakened in kratos after zeus pretty much killed him.

[@nosequeponermenosoymuyorig1712]

@@virtual_bomber5698 if It was that them why all the other olimpian gods dont were in that form? Also he looks very similar to athena in that form and they were killer by the blade of Olimpus

[@ASAaslan62]

​@@nosequeponermenosoymuyorig1712bro, the dark evil Power from pandoras Box just infested Zeus, when u were in poseidons room in gow 3, u were able to collect pages there on which poseidon wrote that Zeus has gone insane or something like that.

[@ASAaslan62]

​@@nosequeponermenosoymuyorig1712 The thing with Athena is that there was never a secured explanation on how she reached that "Ghost God Form". It was only said that by her sacrifice of Zeus she reached that Status. Nothing more. The "Dark Evil Zeus Ghosty mf" has nothing to do with athenas Ghost God form.

[@Kay_The_Coffee_Weirdo]

It looks like the Spark of the World that Surtur fell into when Surtur became Ragnarok in the main game, except the one in Valhalla is red instead of blue. The Spark of the World is where the realms came into existence, therefore the red version in Valhalla could be where everything ends; or becomes "non-existent". It could be the punishment for those who try to break the rules of the trials of lower Valhalla. Which if that's what it is, it would make sense why Mimir and Sigrun were panicking when they saw it; and why Sigrun was punished by Valhalla too for saving Mimir and Kratos from that fate. Becoming non-existent is worse than simply dying or passing into a realm for the dead. There is no way to retrieve someone if they're erased from existence completely.

[@TheQuadraticAttenuator]

This makes perfect sense, and honestly I feel like it would be somewhat common sense to anyone who's played the game even just once.. I wonder why a GOW KZbinr couldn't have put this together?

[@Kay_The_Coffee_Weirdo]

@@TheQuadraticAttenuator Thank you, but it's just my own head canon theory. But when I played this recent DLC, I immediately thought this red vortex looked like the Spark of the World from the main game. Just a different color.

[@HAMZA-OLYMPUS]

@@Kay_The_Coffee_Weirdoit looks nothing like it

[@Mr.sigma3044]

Can video about how stronge is kratos with power of hope please 😢

[@anthonyhernandez7799]

God of War connected mythos theory (based off of Gnosticism): Personally, I like to believe that in the GOW mythos, on planet Earth there are rifts in between the different pantheons, and these invisible rifts originate from the higher plane of existence (which is where the demiurge is contained by the Monac). These rifts act as sort of mythological containers and separators. Each rift hold the unique geography, creation myths, spiritualities, magics and pantheons of each mythology. (This could also be why the rules of the Norse pantheon might not affect Kratos or Atreus). { Pleroma > higher plane > rift > physical universe (earth) } When people expand in the name of their gods, they also expand the rift (and therefore influence and territory) of their specific mythology. This is why wars are fought between cultures, because each pantheon is trying to gain more territory and worshipers over other pantheons (this would be the demiurge influencing the physical world). But most gods of these different pantheons are ignoring the possibility of peace, diplomacy and cultural exchange. This could allow all of them to grow simultaneously and achieve enlightenment. This could be why the Monac is collecting worthy gods who show selflessness and are sending them to the higher plane. However, some gods in the higher plane fall to the influence of the demiurge. (because of their new found power) like Athena. The higher plane of existence acts as a further test to see if the chosen gods are worthy of entering pleroma when the time is right.

[@JustinJulian-00]

You have a point because in gnosticism there are two gods you got yaldabaoth the evil creater god aka the god of the bible and you got the monad the divine conscious of which we are apart of because if you know what if the higher existence is us reached a state of enlightenment and I don't think morality matters it's not about becoming Worthy it about us achieving self-awareness of who we truly are it not about looking outside to find god you just have to look inward to realize that you are always enlightened don't look for enlightenment because you are already enlightened we all have the ability to become gods and goddesses we don't need to worship gods or look for any gods because we are god

[@EpicvidsKetti08]

​@@JustinJulian-00the "evil creator" is specifically the old testament

[@JustinJulian-00]

You do realize that the old testament god is yaldabaoth because in gnosticism the story of how the world is made is different than main stream religion the stories are being told from the perspective of Adam eve and Jesus and have you watched morgue official he talks a lot about gnosticism higher consciousness and knowledge

[@khalidbashir4017]

The Vortex also looks like the Votex inside Pandora’s box (during cinematics when Hephaestus is explaining the box to kratos)..the camera pan zoomed inside the box you can see the same vortex

[@snakeeyesvolley8178]

I think that valhalla and the higher planes of existence are connected in a deep way. I predict that valhalla was created first as a test of sorts for higher beings to determine wether they would be fit to rule then somehow it was cast out to the Norse pantheon. Valhalla demanded a sacrifice to enter the higher tier stages and I predict this is why the vortex formed over kratos' house atreus was the sacrifice to the realm but just like valhalla kratos chose sympathy and refused the offer and angered the realm. I believe the mural depicting kratos' death is still yet to come and will be near the climax of the story to use your analogy. Atreus sacrifice kratos will be similar to doctor strange giving the time stone to Thanos to save Tony but by doing so saving the universe Atreus will have the choice to sacrifice kratos to open the vortex to save the universe/pantheon or choose sympathy and sacrifice the pantheon instead.

[@thorodinson5201]

w comment

[@revol2933]

Well, when I saw that red vortex in Valhalla I thought that it was simply Tartarus, and didn't think about it any further

[@Coffeetime156]

Same haha

[@lukerodriguez9933]

my little brother has his own theory about the vortex, he said it's a portal to fortnite. after he said that I smacked him on the back of his head.

[@The-Chosen-god]

Lol he deserved that

[@TheBf666]

I believe it was kind of obvious that it was baldur who blew the horn. They never wanted to revisit it in ragnarok/valhalla, and it is unlikely that they will do so in the future as the norse god of war is over. It could simply be baldur as he was the only other person who had an interaction with the world serpent.

[@ShadowMoon96]

Wasn't it angraboda that blew the horn?

[@92brunod]

Why would Baldr blow the horn?

[@kratos57]

finally I can know what it is, welcome back Kap

[@arashnasiri629]

I know one thing for sure that Kuba's theories come from the higher plane of expectations! That's a realm where if you enter, no one and nothing can satisfy your expectations :) And that's why he always gets disappointed.

[@crazyfire9470]

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[@devils_kin0449]

I AGREE

[@GamegsterX]

Amazing video and Theory as always and btw this is the 1st time I notice that there was a vortex above Kratos' home in GOW 2018 although I have an eye for details or that is what I thought I didn't notice it. Great work 👍

[@derekhogan9685]

Kratos ha already met primordials so the only thing left higher that is shared in several mythologies is Chaos. Its function and form is eerily similar across many myths including the base myth of most of the eastern hemisphere; Proto-Indo European.

[@Modofwar8066]

if you focus on the stories mimir tells in this dlc you can tell that he is from folklore

[@davidemaroldi9755]

I just thought it was the Ginnungagap. Honestly I feel like you connect waaaay too many things to the higher plane, it's basically an obsession at this point lol

[@sm2380]

That’s what I also thought, these guys don’t know jackshit about mythology but create their own theory

[@korgclips868]

Would A Primordial Force of Chaos and nothingness that spawned a cosmos of 9 realms not be in some way connected to a higher plane of existence?

[@davidemaroldi9755]

@@korgclips868 still feels like Kuba is pulling tons of shit out of his ass, like the whole "the sky is red" and "good side vs evil side". I liked his higher plane theories when he linked it to gnosticism, but here it's just ridiculous

[@jackphanenhour6785]

May sound stupid but I thought we were falling into Hades from god of war 1 when I first saw the red vortex

[@EpicvidsKetti08]

That was the only God in GOW 3 that didn't just die but Kratos succd his soul

[@firefly1222]

There’s a pyramid a lot closer with actual detail on it in the Nephilim area the frozen zone in the new rogue like I found it right before I entered the skull door. I took a screenshot if you’re interested.

[@Ayyprattbrat]

I'm sad we didn't see freyr in Valhalla

[@del5206]

I just figured the vortex was the result of the gods of Asgard being real ticked off at the death of Magni, and Modi fleeing after his attempt at revenge. Or, it was the result of some power within Atreus activating as his nature fought within himself.

[@DennyDeathless]

This is your best theory so far for sure. Hard evidence, good connections and some good arguments. I think you might be right here.

[@1Alixander]

I was so disappointed when atreus broke the mask. I thought we will get some answers or something , idk. I felt like it was a wasted potential. but hopefully they will do something with it in the future games

[@dethwolf890]

Maybe Atreus breaking that mask will end up causing him to have powers from it or similar to what the mask was supposed to contain

[@1Alixander]

@@dethwolf890 the mask may be some sort of test from the gods in the higher plane of existence and when someone succeeds in that test (which atreus did when he didn’t accept the easy knowledge from the mask) they will reach out to him and bless him with powers or position in that realm. Idk maybe that could be the premise of the atreus game or im just reaching too hard.

[@pancakes8670]

That was literally the point. Atreus broke the mask because they didn't deserve to have it, not after everything Odin did to obtain it. All the answers will come in time, it's not important and we don't need to worry about it.

[@mickeyboi1921]

Theory: Valhalla and Utangard or however it’s spelled are part of the same place. The Ascending Sands look similar to the Utangard scene, and it would explain why Odin couldn’t control Valhalla.

[@CoolSaver]

Nice one, Kuba. I actually never noticed that vortex in 2018 game. That it's above Kratos' home. I thought it was the weather overall.

[@Blackbeard23459]

Could it be Ginnungagap? Also the mask and the rift could also lead to it

[@gagegotgaming]

kratos really needs to get his wings back

[@acedominus]

I don't know if you'll see this but the same red spiral that happens in Valhalla and when appears above kratos house appears when Ares descends from the skies and when kratos kneels

[@idanlewenhoff2295]

i just have to say i watched all of your Valhalla streams and reactions for the sole purpose of seeing you react mimir saying higher plane and it was worth it haha

[@ALPHAW0LF916]

It’s disappointing that Athena didn’t make an appearance in the dlc

[@hashirkhan6743]

Oh boy there's much more story ahead this is getting deeper and deeper i hope cory direct all the upcoming games

[@andrewhenery8945]

Well, it is his game...sucks David Jaffe is no longer apart of it. Or is he??

[@chamoo232]

@@andrewhenery8945 Cory was creative director for Ragnarok. Eric Williams directed. I think it was just too much work for Cory for the 2018 game and he basically split the work load with Eric for Ragnarok.

[@ArthurPrince03]

i was more surprised kratos was struggling a bit trying to break those bars. Those must've been rlly tough, esp since he has no reason to hold back here

[@aleemkhan8339]

Cory might be thinking “f**k ,he just gave spoilers for the next big game”.😂😂😂

[@sultanmahfries6402]

it's amazing how you went from hating the game to making in depth analyses of it!

[@YourMomsSecretLoverr]

Cory Barlog said the red storm was the world reacting to Atreus being sick

[@Nothingness4907]

I mean, even if it was a retcon it wouldn't be an issue since it's something revealed in interviews only For the longest time I thought she was there for real and never doubt it for a second Kratos even says "Athena, get out of my head" Which isn't something You usally say when You're having ptsd, but You say that when someone try to mess up with your mind and You experienced it before, which Athena did in the Fallen God comics

[@TrmndsFlash]

that Athena ._. was hilarious

[@xeox4280]

You said that the dialoge about the higher plain had to mean something but i dont think so because in the entire game it seemed like they create dialoge and plot points but dont think it through. Even in gow 2018 with the "who blew the horn". They just put ideas in the game because they think its cool or something but they dont think deeper about it. English isnt my firat language so i hope you understand what i mean.

[@RealZtleg]

Bro the problem is that there are too many plot holes that are not explored in depth, such as the mysterious mask that Odin had.

[@xeox4280]

@@RealZtleg yes. And the things that made gow 2018 good arent as good in ragnarok

[@mark89_zetor71]

it's also very similar to the vortex that Ares emerges from in gow1, when Kratos calls for his help. Even if he says them "coming down from Olympus". What if Ares had to do with the higher plane of existence👀

[@franschristian9878]

Vortex of Chaos i guess😉. Sigrun's wings was almost burn to crips if not from primodial flame.

[@arbknight12]

It looked like the portal the leads to Tartarus to me.

[@slayerman517]

Just a shot in the dark, what if kratos’s emotion when he is very distressed spawns the red vortex in the Norse area somehow and whoever blew the horn wanted Jormangand to help close the vortex before too much damage is done and what we saw in Valhalla wasn’t the red vortex but instead kratos memory of falling down into the realm of hades just mixed with the power of Valhalla, after all kratos isn’t a Norse person his magic died with Greece so whatever new magic he gets for being a god in a foreign land could do unknown things, we’ve also seen that every god is born with a unique god ability and to say kratos just lost his because Greece died doesn’t make sense so what if the abilities alter depending on the pantheon realm they decide to live in. I’ve no clue if any of this could be right I never read the comic but I have seen the videos of the lore for god of war games so this is my Hail Mary theory :)

[@joshtrager5315]

Bro the soundtrack on the background video! Please share ❤❤😤😫

[@Bushman06]

I think the mask is chaotic neutral like the mask the movie i think it would be funny if they mention a man wearing the mask by accident and a dog

[@thefoxsaysno9951]

I have a theory that Kratos, the now god of hope/war in the Norse pantheon, will go back to Greece. Where he will find Apollo has taken over after Zeus' death, returning from his exile (The one you theorized in your apollo videos). He will find that the Roman Pantheon is at war with the new Greek pantheon. Kratos will settle the war in some way and gain respect, like Tyr did when he ventured out. This would be a cool reason for Kratos to go to other mythologies too, to settle disputes or conflicts, to follow in Tyr's footsteps.

[@lakupeikko4583]

Theory video Considering faey could see the future and knew kratos was the factor for Odins downfall makes me wonder if she truly loved kratos or used him

[@chamoo232]

She didn't know. She believed it herself. The giant's vision were that Kratos would die at Ragnarok. Faye believed he could change and make the right choices and live. She's the one that painted the worshipped Kratos panel on top of the one showing his death. I don't think Kratos would have really changed if her love had not been real.

[@soragamma25]

First of all, nice video, but I've thought it was more on the side of the underworld from the original god of war games, mostly because nearly every time you go there the death pits are usually dark red, you could also argue about the time Kratos was getting grabbed by several hands dragging him lower in the underworld of hades as the sameish color, but the main thing here is the horn for me, couldn't it have been Kratos' future version of his son? As he dose learn how to talk in ancient Norse in ragnarok, plus it wouldn't break the storyline or franchise sense Kratos has already done the same with the blade of Olympus. Most likely a game will come up in the franchise that depicts Kratos needing to help end the great (or grand) cycle of everything, with the help of several friends that he's gained they'd probably split up into different time-lines and areas gathering important materials or shards of something (maybe hope or things to reignite the blade of Olympus) the red vortexes maybe of something WAY bigger than we've seen or dealt with before in the franchise period, after all it kinda reminds me of what Athena said was originally locked away before Kratos opened it, fear of not being good enough for his son, fear of him repeating his mistakes from the past, but at the end he let that fear go in the form of his bandages flying in the winds of the realm of giants. This can go deeper but i feel like I'm going to go on for a while, so I'll end this theory and possible outcome alone, there are many mysteries we're wanting answers to.

[@cremefraicheeee]

Baldur blows the horn in god of war 4 he even says it. He says he had a feeling hurting the big snake would bring you two. So he called the snake.

[@ahzirdrachenord940]

Why is that the coolest intro I’ve ever seen

[@GamersDogma]

My 12th days of Christmas: GOD OF WAR EDITION. On the first day of yule tide, Kratos gave to me. A Leviathan Axe to the face. On the second day of yule tide, Kratos gave to me. Two Huldra Brothers. On the third day of yule tide, Kratos gave to me. Three Nornir Sisters. On the Fourth day, Kratos gave to me. Four World-Tree Stags. On the Fifth day of yule tide, Kratos gave to me. Five Draupnir rings! On the sixth day of yule tide, Kratos gave to me. Six Draugr screaming. On the seventh day of yule tide, Kratos gave to me. Seven Elves are bleeding On the Eighth day of yule tide, Kratos gave to me. Eight Valkyrie Maidens. On the Ninth day of yule tide, Kratos gave to me. Nine Realms Divided. On the Tenth day of yule tide, Kratos gave to me. Ten Berserkers Beheaded. On the Eleventh day of yule tide, Kratos gave to me. Eleven Einherjar Drinking. On the Twelfth day of yule tide, Kratos gave to me. Twelve Hel-Walkers Freezing. It's the best I could do. I'm sure others can make a better one.

[@DAm0n.]

This is horrid

[@GamersDogma]

@@DAm0n. care enough to tweak it?

[@vondutch1189]

Yea Valhalla baby, I'm dressed Rick!!!

[@chadtheassassin24]

8:57 AM I THE ONLY ONE SEEING A FLASH OF GREEN IN THE CENTER OF THE RED STORM?!

[@RANBIR_SINGH8983]

@KaptainKuba I have noticed something very interesting while playing gowr again, I have noticed that the dialogue suggests that the jörmungandr that fights with thor in the game is different. Mimir: he didn't follow us from midgard, curious. Kratos: The snake looks different. Atreus: it is different Pls check for yourself The jörmungandr in midgard and the jörmungandr who fights in asgard are different

[@himawariuzumaki6066]

I went to wash dishes and turned round quick when I heard Mimir say higher plane of existence 3:03

[@youngguapo4006]

Merry Christmas kuba from my family to yours 🎄🎁🎁🎁🎁

[@redwolfthegamer7286]

I would like to throw out the idea that thatred void was the Greek "Chaos". The state before the creation of the universe. I think a decent form of 'evidence' of this is that it seems to follow only Greek related events. Such as Kratos gaining the Blades again, or that scene in Valhalla.

[@paulmurph]

Great vid. I don't think that Valhalla was trying to trick Kratos into putting Mimir in the cage, as the point was that he was to put himself in there.

[@IntenseGamer17]

Ngl I thought this was a stream, although I do think athena I gow 3 is the same Athena but affected by the evils of pandora box. Good vid tho.

[@mostwanted002]

The Chain of Olympus in the background looked bit a lot longer than the one we saw in regular Valhalla, without the judges as well.

[@stuartmcknight6925]

Loved this theory dude! Merry Christmas to you and the family

[@b666nz]

Im a simple man, I see Kuba upload I watch.

[@Kvasir117]

The vortex looks like one of the back ground in god of war 3’s prologue

[@user-mo5yx4ct6z]

Red vortex in gow18? Blew me up on that one. Let kuba cook!!

[@DX-RAGNAROK]

*The hands of death could not defeat me*

[@nottjosephhh]

I have a cool idea for a video unless you decide not to use this idea for one but... for the first episode of the god of war show they could use the flashback scenes of kratos and faye the last scene being the one near the end where kratos has the last dream of faye

[@Crispycactusjuice]

Love this theory video! Hope you have a great Christmas kuba

[@Washekk2712]

I think they were falling into the same thing Surtr fell into. The spark of the world.

[@KinqOfHeartsmain]

I have a feeling that we will end up going to Egypt next but the game will be a prequel, maybe telling the events of the comic, just noticed they gave us young kratos. So they have the model ready and done, maybe they can make the story a prequel that leads to him meting faye, Faye could be a boss fight/ end game boss, these guys love throwing these types of twist at us, like god of war Ascension, also what do you think about tyr being Loki from the future?

[@Jefftoucheslittlekids]

Won’t be a prequel

[@KinqOfHeartsmain]

@@Jefftoucheslittlekids what do you think about Atreus traveling time and lands by somehow splintering the world tree with thruud and angraboda?

[@Jefftoucheslittlekids]

@@KinqOfHeartsmain spin off game

[@chamoo232]

The last time they went prequel after a big closure title was Ascension after GOW3 and it wasn't well received. If all the game serves is to give more details to stuff that happened before without any real goal for the future then it would just be filler and not worth doing.

[@lilituofbabylon1631]

Maybe there are diffrent powers/factions in higher existance? Blue responsible for power of hope and Thor dematerialization. Green responsible for rift, mask and greet athena. Red responsible for both of these vortexes and valhalla overall?

[@Thebigem]

Actually the Gow 3 Explaination of Pandora’s Box wasn’t a Retcon Nor Different View from Another director, It actually has in story sense for 2 Different sayings Firstly in Gow 1 when Kratos only Goal was to Kill Ares, He was told(Specifically based on his Desire) That Pandora’s Box could kill God’s but in Gow 3 the Real Reason why it was made was Revealed to the Player and Kratos

[@untitled6400]

I think I have seen the red cyclone-type environment in God of War 3 during the battle with Zeus.

[@pyroart3141]

I would like to see Santa Monica giving us cosmetic skin as a rewards from different difficulty like in old god of war

[@Mark-zo1hs]

I think that was just a normal red vortex which Valhalla created to destroy anything that broke it, i.e. Kratos when he freed Mimir by breaking the cage.

[@gonzalovidal7766]

They were going to the part in Hellheim, where you cannot come back from

[@juanisol8275]

Intriguing, I personally highlight more the fact of dual sides and the repercussions of the horn in the future. I frankly believe that it is literally a reflection of the Self, like a symphonic clash between chaos and order or life and death and so on...Perhaps the realm of the absolute essence of existential archetypes in constant conflict and even beyond the wheel of the life of carma! But perhaps with the actions and legacy of Kratos they will begin or restart the divine plan! I wonder what temporal relativity parameters the next Saga will have with the other Phanteons Mythologies...

[@juanisol8275]

Another thing to note is that Red certainly symbolizes aggressive anger, alertness or danger. but also strength, passion and security. Basically the high planes of existence stand out for their purely dual colors beyond mundane understanding!

[@gamebomb5998]

Lets gooo. He always delivers my fav creator

[@Terastas]

I thought you were going to say that the one other place we had seen that red vortex was in the the space between where Sutr became Ragnarok. But it's convenient that you made the connection to the moment Kratos went home and got the Blades of Chaos, because, as Sutr noted, the Blades have primordial fire in them. The red vortex, I believe, is the primordial: The realm from which all things originate. The green light, as Atreus notes when he is first shown the rift, is "knowledge" -- perhaps a mental primordial in contrast to the red physical primordial. And it should be noted that the blue light is most prominent during the selfless death of a god: When Athena dies defending Zeus, when Thor is killed by Odin, and especially when Kratos attempts to kill himself and releases hope back into the world. This, the realm that surpasses both physical limitations AND the conventional logic of protecting one's own existence, I believe is the higher plane.

[@Vato_Loco_Squid]

Seeing the red vortex, i thought that we would be time traveling to the past since seeing the big chains were longer, believe that kratos will see the past

[@g1fishing307]

Love your videos really makes you think about things! mind blowing stuff im so ready for the next game... And maybe more dlc? who knows! i need more!

[@Yaro_y]

I don't know why but I have this feeling that in 20+ years from now, in the last game or something we'll get an interestelar kinda of plot twist and we'll know that Future Atreus was behind everything trying to save Kratos and his family

[@LauftFafa]

i just feel like Kratos is sponsored or manipulated by these higher plane beings and are using him to bring balance to the Realms even by mean of destruction . and this explain why he cant die . i feel like Kratos is not a god but something slightly Superior (remember that not even thanatos himself could claim him so since the start Kratos was above the Rules). as if he a kind of a catalyst to these beings in the higher plane . maybe they want Kratos to be one of them , or maybe they are using him to destroy worlds or bring balance to opressed realms or maybe they follow a monotheistic agenda and want to remove the rules of the like of azgard and olympus so their 1 creator can rule. one thing is sure is that things are much weirder now and there is 100% a plot in the shadow that manipulate Kratos . like the hooded woman who took him to midgard , or whoever told him to go to valhalla . one thing to be positive about is that the plot thickens and we get lot more hints now

[@jordansimeonov1501]

He’s the main character, of course they won’t just kill him

[@LauftFafa]

@@jordansimeonov1501 of course but thats the real life reason , a writer's choice .but such decision can be translated lore wise with a more convincing excuse . like for son Goku who was just supposed to be a silly version of Sun Wukong the monkey king in theory but ended up being a Sayan alien and a legendary one in that to explain his tail and crazy powers .

[@SonnyFRST]

Horn was likely Baldur cause: 1. Out of leads on Kratos' whereabouts, clearly he and the Thorsons weren't exactly working together since he didn't know Modi had just ran into the gang, so he must've tried his luck with Jormmie despite the language barrier. 2. Devs needed an excuse to make Jormmie move again and reveal more of the lake map.

[@Therealreverseflash]

John Kratos 💀

[@ratbootman6370]

I was really hoping for a hades section since the first time we saw it the whole place was mostly red but still great dlc

[@nawafalsulaiman1671]

Don't think about it , I noticed this lately in most games , like with cyberpunk that's been out for 3 years and haven't been able to figure the deal with blue eyes and FF:06:B5 code , the more you think about the more theories you'd get the more pain in the ass it gets

[@AsNodt1]

i think there like a super being locked in another dimension and the only way out was the rift wich "kratos" closed and maybe the hope wich kratos gave up, and the only way that being has to comunicate is via ghosts

[@cakraparindra4659]

Take a shot every time the word "higher" and "plane" are mentioned by Kuba in this video, I dare you 😂

[@cosmiccock]

Could u please make an updated video where u rank all bosses including Ragnaroks and valhallas bosses

[@kevinmoore4355]

I'm pretty sure the sky turned red because loki co trols the weather I remember an interview where someone asked the creator, and he said, low key can control the weather

[@jofffsd]

I think that the concept of ascension to a higher existence which Athena manged to do somehow is inspired by a very similar concept in Stargate SG-1 which Cory Barlog is a fan of.