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[@AugustEverywhere]

My boyfriend never wanted to watch The Expanse so eventually I started the series on my own, watching whenever he was gone. He came home from a rugby trip and I was in the middle of this episode and the scene had just played with Christian saying "Wherever I goddamn like!". I paused the show to greet him and once we settled in again, I rewound it to the start of that scene and Christian convinced him with that one scene to catch up and watch the rest with me. I goddamn love this woman!

[@squaddie67]

Chrisjen.

[@labamboos]

I am that same exact boyfriend…I felt like an idiot for ignoring this show for so long. Have rewatched and read the books since then!

[@wompa70]

This show is so good because the writers of the novel were so involved. And they understood what needed to be changed to be able to tell the same story for television.

[@Justanotherconsumer]

That it’s basically a second draft also helps.

[@Hawkido]

Well till the wrong person has a stroke.

[@NovelPhoinix]

​@@Hawkido I mean they didn't really have a choice...

[@BigSeth1090]

Don’t worry, you’ll only love Avasarala more as it goes on.

[@ahuggie]

Something that really stands out about the Expanse is the female characters. They are so great, and the casting is so great.

[@Justanotherconsumer]

@@ahuggie the male actors… oh, le sigh. More for one particular actor’s off-set behavior.

[@AdmiralEisbaer]

@@ahuggie what I really like about the characters in general, is that the diversity or badassness or LGBTQ stuff doesn't feel forced, if that makes sense? It just feels natural, it's just there and normalized.

[@crcb251]

​@@AdmiralEisbaer Definitely agree, and I think it seems that way because, at least for the awesome moments like the ones Avasarala tends to get, it is because they are a logical outgrowth of previous character and situations, and not a snappy "girl power" one liner. Chrisjen is definitely my favorite character on this show because she's intelligent and hilarious, but in general is written very well; I wish the last part was more common these days.

[@jakobfromthefence]

Yep.

[@cliveklg7739]

The spy is posing as her aid, so they can be around each other publicly and not sew too much suspicion. Also he'd be in charge of security, planning, and co-ordination so being in the aid position put him in the position to control all that. 'Don't look a gift horse in the mouth.' Basically means your getting a damn free horse, you don't need to inspect it.

[@mmattson8947]

It can also mean that, if you are in the city of Troy, make sure you have a lot of soldiers around before examining the Greek wooden horse more closely.

[@scambammer6102]

@@mmattson8947 that one is "beware of greeks bearing gifts"

[@cliveklg7739]

@@mmattson8947 nah, that comes from a totally different saying. Gift horse in the mouth has always been in reference to being bothersome when you are getting something free. You are thinking of greeks bearing gifts.

[@mjbull5156]

Because of the effort to terraform Mars, Martian culture is very communitarian and patriotic. It is very difficult culturally for a Martian to go against what they have been told is in the interests of Mars. Which is why Bobbie goes along with the cover story about what happened on Ganymede, even if she is personally unhappy about it.

[@demoscat]

"Don't look a gift horse in the mouth." Don't know if it's still done, but people used to judge a horse's age by checking the teeth. The more worn down the teeth, the older the horse. Usually done when looking at prospective horses with an interest in buying. If someone was gifting you a horse, it was considered rude to check it out in front of the gift-giver. Rather like you using your phone to look up the book value of a car someone is gifting you, right in front of the person giving it to you.

[@XeonAlpha]

Avasarala is the absolute *QUEEN* of one liners, and it only gets better. That being said “I find it hard to believe a Martian marine would be fatigued from sitting in a chair” is just “chef’s Kiss” 💋. Also “Whoever the fuck your are, stand down…” I’m very gay but I want to marry Avasarala.

[@scambammer6102]

yes but it's important to remember that she is NOT your favorite stripper

[@bryanwills6688]

Always remember that she is not your favorite stripper because she is a member of Parliament, though many would argue she could be both.

[@billross7245]

Based on the last scene , the name Weeping Somnambulist is very appropriate. Earth took every advantage over those Martians, forcing them to land during the day, with that huge disorienting horizon instead of meeting them in a lower gravity environment like a space station or on Luna. By the end of the meeting, those Martians looked haggard and sort of sagging in their seats from the weight of Earth's gravity.

[@rivercitymud]

"Don't look a gift horse in the mouth" refers to the fact that you can tell a horse's age by its teeth. If someone gives you a horse, inspecting its teeth is a form of ingratitude, because hey, free horse.

[@LeeCarlson]

When it looks like Alex is talking to himself he's actually having a dialogue with the Roci's AI.

[@jamiecordell3133]

Even on rewatch of this series, you pick up on details you had missed in previous viewings, adding to the depth. It's amazing.

[@helenathedreamer7766]

LOVE your discussion on this - exactly the reason I love this show! Fyi the spy guy is officially hired as her personal bodyguard/security detail after the assassination attempt just have his spy stuff as a side gig, kinda. So it’s not weird he’s always with her.

[@julius-stark]

SyFy also made Battlestar Galactica and 12 Monkeys. They had a few bangers every once in awhile.

[@crystalfire5564]

Is 12 Monkeys any good? I liked the movie.

[@ChipMatthews]

@@crystalfire5564 The acting and production values aren't as good as the other two but the intricate plotting is amazing and mind bending. Well worth a binge.

[@crystalfire5564]

@@ChipMatthews Thanks

[@johntilko7119]

I came here to say this after hearing their SyFy comments. But don't forget Farscape, later seasons of Stargate SG-1, and after that Stargate Atlantis, and Frank Herbert's Dune, and Children of Dune miniseries, which were the best Dune adaptations we had until the recent Villeneuve movies.

[@julius-stark]

@@johntilko7119 Yes, I rewatched Farscape a year or two ago and it has aged really well considering. Great characters and story arcs.

[@JayMallow]

Her delivery of "Wherever I God*amn like" is the stuff of legends

[@Garryck-1]

Why put an asterisk in the middle of 'goddamn'? Don't be such a wuss.

[@Denashi]

The interesting thing about the 'evil' people in this show: every single one of them are convinced they are doing good or at least that their evil actions are done for a good cause! There are no moustache-twirling villains or people being evil just to be evil... they all have (or think they have) some kind of justification for their actions!

[@CuidightheachODuinn]

I mean... So did Hitler, but....

[@SyntheticaYT]

@@CuidightheachODuinnthat’s true. And Hitler was a real person, not a cartoon villain. Which is the point. The writers write all the characters like real people.

[@Mannchini]

The show never really explains the passage of time to us, but the trip from Earth to Mars is weeks. The trip from Earth to Saturn is months. I believe that the Canterbury’s trip from Saturn to Ceres was 8 weeks in a favourable position in the solar system. Oh, also, Cotyar is officially on Chrisjen’s security detail following the bombing. It’s implied that no one else is aware of his “extra curricular” activities

[@dapeach06]

It's days to/from Mars, and weeks to months for the outer planets, depending on what acceleration they're flying at. At 1g, you'd reach ridiculous velocities after a week

[@robertwinslade3104]

​@@dapeach06 correct; for some reason the books consistently describe journey times way longer than they would be at the acceleration they are travelling at; the show fixes this error by just not really mentioning journey times

[@astrodude5222]

It depends where the planets are with respect to each other. Mars is 0.5 AU from Earth at its closest but 2.5 AU (and with the Sun in the way) at its farthest. They also may not accelerate / decelerate for the whole time

[@jddang3738]

@@robertwinslade3104 travel times are longer because they have to go on the float a lot because you need fuel and reaction mass to fly in space. While fuel pellets are usually plenty, reaction mass isn’t. I believe they use water for reaction mass and you can only carry so much water. You don’t need reaction mass on Earth because we have air. But in space, you need to eject something to propel the ship. They need to conserve that and so they float a lot.

[@LeeCarlson]

Cotyar is to Avarsarela as Francis Walsingham was to Queen Elizabeth which is to say a privy secretary (meaning "keeper of secrets) in public and spy-master at all times.

[@AustinStarDust]

You guys totally understand why the show is so good! It isn't so much about the protomolecule, but how people and nations are reacting to its existence. The next episode is one of my favorites of the entire series. There are no space battles or anything like that. Yet, a lot of truly great moments.

[@C76Caravan]

I still cannot wait for S3 to get posted, if we're already at "Master piece of a show" labels. 😂 Looking forward to what new labels will come up. 😉

[@troikas3353]

Sci-Fi channel once upon a time was pretty awesome. Back in the 90's it was a channel dedicated to showing classic genre shows and films, much of which you'd have a hard time finding anywhere else in the era of VHS. It was also one of the earliest sources for anime and would air some really obscure stuff. Around 2000, there was an era of The Sci-Fi Channel, before it forgot how to spell its own name and started doing nothing but pro-wrestling and two dozen Ghost Hunter spinoffs, where it actually produced a lot of great TV. Farscape, Battlestar Galactica, Stargate SG-1, Lexx. The channel did find some of its former self eventually and put out solid shows like Warehouse 13, Sanctuary and Being Human. There was a long stretch where it was absolutely a joke, but the SF Channel did once have a history of living up to its promise.

[@LeeCarlson]

Just so that you know, the writers had to tone down Avarsarela's saltiness for the SyFy channel. Once they were picked up by Amazon they were able to take off the restraints.

[@anon_234]

In the books, they were chasing Eros for weeks. The books do a pretty good job of explaining how long people spend in transit or waiting out an event, while as you guys noticed the sense of time passing in the TV show isn't there.

[@BCPvideo]

That's my biggest complaint with the show (other than it not being twice as long with a budget 4 times larger so they could be even closer to the books), I think it would have cost nothing to have little notes like "3 months later", "two weeks from Ganymede, decelerating" or something.

[@Ketraar]

@@BCPvideo I don't agree with this at all. I prefer the more subtle ways this is presented instead of the force-fed approach. Sometimes they will mention the time if its relevant or integrated into the situation. Of course hardcore fans would have loved to have much slower pace and have if feel much more "realistic" but then the casual viewer might jump ship or the show would have needed to insert filler content which can be a detriment.

[@ejr87r]

​@@Ketraar I agree, also second half of season 3 onward the show let's you know how time passes better.

[@hoos3014]

@@BCPvideo Nerdy was exactly right ; the first time they mention how long it takes to travel from Ceres to Jupiter some fans will break out the Star charts and start doing calculations to prove the writers wrong. Better to keep the timeline vague unless it is absolutely necessary for the plot.

[@davebcf1231]

@@hoos3014 The travel times between any two objects in the solar system are constantly changing depending on where things are in their orbits. Nothing in the solar system is just sitting still. There is no such thing as a single answer to how long it takes to travel anywhere.

[@charlyjordan3545]

The slow healing of wounds is explained in another episode.

[@thontor]

There was an era where Syfy had some really great TV shows. The Expanse is the best of them and probably the last, but there were some great ones. Battlestar Galactica is probably the next best one. If you haven't seen that series from 2004, you need to watch that next. It is an amazing show.

[@charlotte68]

As far as Netflix to keep Alex entertained while he waits, in the books Alex loves to download Noir detective movies. Lol.

[@LeeCarlson]

I once heard the art of diplomacy described as a person saying "Nice doggy," while they are looking for a bigger stick.

[@MyKaosLife]

"You don't need math for finances.." (*smile*) 😂

[@jamesholland5761]

Great reaction! Love hearing you both say that you love this show and it's a masterpiece! That's how we all feel! If you pay attention to the ending of this episode, Holden has a moment of empathy and remorse for the death of her husband. Then he locks eyes with Amos and his demeanor completely changes. I call this change in Holden character " going down the Miller rabbit hole!" Absolutely love y'alls after discussion! Looking forward to the next one!

[@biglu323]

@23:29 - The show is so on point that it will actually have an explanation in a later season as to why that wound didn't heal.

[@johnmoore-fm9db]

Read this comment I was like what really did I miss that... then OOH yeah kind of, little out of context but your right.

[@crystalfire5564]

I must have missed it or at least can’t think of it.

[@kerryherring563]

One of the ways of determining a horse's health is by looking in its mouth. So, "dont look a gift horse in the mouth" can mean something like be grateful and dont over analyze something you didnt pay for or earn. Its a gift.

[@artboymoy]

Great reactions and discussion. I always feel that things should take longer as well and they kinda explain it with the Epstein Drive but you're still under limits with that. It's fine that they cut out travel time, because it's boooring. :) The whole peace summit was great especially with Chrisjen doing her "Wherever" line. That really made her a fave to me. Errinwright's exprssion when Bobbie said there wasn't a vac suit was very telling. I like how Amos filled Prax in on everything. Makes it easier to get him to cooperate. That final scene was heartbreaking. That actress poured her heart out in it.

[@GarmrsBarking]

when the husband died I said to myself... he can't die from that... he's the Goa-uld Apophis it takes more for him to go down....

[@AmazingChi]

I have to protest the Syfy slander at the end. It's a shame it got known for the Sharknado ilk of TV B Movies because it's regular TV output was superb in its day: Eureka, Warehouse 13, Defiance etc. All great shows with really strong characters, and surprisingly well realised for the budget and capabilities at their time. In a way, they all led to this with The Expanse.

[@Justanotherconsumer]

Somn - sleep, Ambulist - walker.

[@seekermel3079]

Battlestar Galactica was also an amazing SyFy show in its time. Waiting for Number Three…

[@danbadd]

If Bobby's slip had been just one scene she would have looked week and disloyal. They allowed her to show her strength, then be betrayed, and so there was more empathy for her slip under duress during the second interrogation. It also allowed Chrisjen to show more of her strengths as both a diplomat and a manipulator.

[@scambammer6102]

character plot and scene building what a concept

[@JulianMalcoda]

"Do they have Netflix?" Funnily enough, in the books Alex spends the most boring parts of ship downtime binging old Martian neo-noir and true crime shows.

[@davidbodor1762]

25:00 - I read it as them checking if the ship will be useful to them or if they should keep a lookout for another one that might be better for their mission.

[@mgnapping]

You guys need a map of solar system on hand to keep tabs what's where )

[@f0rth3l0v30fchr15t]

"We're not here to give the Blues anything to laugh about" *puts on the world's dorkiest sunglasses*

[@Cbricklyne]

They are THIS world's dorkiest sunglasses. On Mars they're the height of high fashion d'Elegance.

[@ejr87r]

So glad you caught that, difference between streaming TV and broadcast. The integration scene would have been one scene and no room to breathe for character development or scene markers. If that was one scene, you would have lost so much of Bobbi's character development.

[@mjbull5156]

SyFy has made much questionable stuff, but it has done besides "The Expanse": "Battlestar Galactica", most of the "Stargate" franchise, "Farscape" "Eureka" and "Dead Like Me".

[@Skyhighatrist]

To be fair, most of those were produced prior to the SyFy rebranding when they were still called the Sci Fi Channel. I generally consider the re-branding to SyFy to be the moment when they really started to suck.

[@corgiluver9718]

Agree. I'd add The Magicians, Warehouse 13, and Killjoys to the enjoyable stuff.

[@shawnloging8649]

Part of the discussion that I loved is your take on no one being a "bad guy." Ty Franks has stated that every character has a sense of grey to them, no character is straight black and white. That perspective is what makes so many of these characters so great. Even where you want a character to meet their justifiable end, there's still something about them there that shows they're not totally wrong.

[@colinwells2812]

Except maybe Marco…

[@Icypenguigo]

Great use of the word "untoward"! Avasarala is the eternal queen of all. Also, the Drake equation and the Fermi paradox are real scientific concepts. Those, along with the Kardashev scale are all highly interesting ideas you guys might wanna look at. They will all give you some added context for this show.

[@jnord8299]

I dont believe for a second that Apophis getting shot is enough to kill him. Dude comes back like a bad penny. 😈

[@laioren]

Another great reaction watch. Btw, I would highly, highly, HIGHLY recommend reading the books (or listening to them on audiobook). I think the show does a lot of things better, and I think the books do a lot of things better. One word of caution; The first book is SO much like the first season of the show (well, and the first 5 episodes of season 2) that reading the first book can almost seem "redundant." However, because it's written from Holden and Miller's perspectives, if you stick with it, being able to see how those two perspectives play off each other is totally worth it. And, I think the books do a better job of showing just how much Miller's worldview influences Holden.

[@WallOfScience]

If you watched Stargate SG-1, the man who died on the Somnambulist was Apophis.

[@PsychoMuffinSDM]

And you got to one (of many) of my favorite line. And I love how she says with just a big smile.

[@Yutani_Crayven]

They went in trying to impersonate Martians because they thought using legitimate authority that the Martians have might make the takeover of the ship easier and reduce the chances of there being an incident. And they didn't want to give away their identity either.

[@RocketToTheMoose]

BTW, The Expanse, along with a couple other shows ("The Magicians" I think?), was a conscious effort by SyFy to have more quality series and be less of a joke, as you say. I recall listening to an interview with the president of the network a bit before The Expanse premiered where he sounded quite excited about this change. Unfortunately that attitude didn't last long.

[@ChipMatthews]

It's really a shame that the arrangement they had with Alcon didn't work out for them. They only made money from live viewership and streaming within a few days of original air date so their investment didn't really pay the dividends they'd hoped for. They'd already created so much resentment in their audience people didn't give The Expanse a chance, and there was no long tail for them to benefit from since those rights were all Alcon's.

[@AustinStarDust]

"Does the Martian Embassy have some kind of anti-gravity in it?" Dude, this is The Expanse. There aren't any magical gravity plating! 😎😛 It isn't only gravity that made the Martian sick. It is the intense light (Mars gets only 1/2 the sunlight of Earth!), and probably a difference in depth perception. Martians are used to living underground or spaceships in close quarters. Earth is a total alien world to them.

[@jddang3738]

Agoraphobia. Martians always have something above their heads. Dome, helmet, etc. Seeing a wide open horizon and nothing above trips them up

[@jimdunville2843]

Fantastic reaction!!! If you don't know Somnambulist is a word for a sleep walker. The show intentionally glazes over the time it takes to travel between the planets and moons of our solar system. It's one of the few inaccuracies I've noticed as well, which is better fleshed out in the books. However, that could be boring television. Cotyar is on Avasarala's security detail since the Black Sky OPA faction tried to blow her up, he's allowed to be close to her to at all times. His spy work for her is is actual job of course, he hiding in plain sight. The writing and acting for this show makes it shine above most if not all others for me. It is so crazy that it started on SciFi, and that the network did such a great job with the effects, all things considered. If Amos dies we riot. He's my guy. With all your talk of heroes and villains.... Anderson Dawes said it best "Good and bad, don’t get distracted by that. It will just confuse you. Good men do bad things, like Fred Johnson. And bad men do things believing it’s for the good of all mankind."

[@DarkChaos87]

Weird hearing someone talk about Stampede. It's apparently the Greatest Outdoor Show on Earth, but not many people know about it outside Calgary. Talked to many americans and eruopeans that have never heard of it. Never talked to any that knew about it that was outside Canada. High five to the CowTown-ers!

[@wagnarokkr]

every time he starts a video with "OOOOOoooooooooo" I think he's about to break into singing "Down With The Sickness"

[@AniwayasSong]

As it was explained to me (I grew up on a working ranch), the phrase, "Never look a 'Gift' horse in the mouth," is talking about how, when purchasing a horse, part of the 'Exam' is checking the condition of its teeth, to ensure it won't have any trouble eating properly. If a 'Gift' horse, just accept it in the sentiment/moment, and be grateful. (THEN check it's teeth, later!) ;-)

[@PsychoMuffinSDM]

Just note, I have heard different interpretations of Drake equation. There is some guesswork, so depending on your assumptions, the probability can be very low or very high, the latter then begs the Fermi paradox.

[@charlotte68]

And then you have the whole “grabby aliens” model . . .

[@emwungarand]

It has been weeks. Travel from Ceres to Ganymede would have taken weeks. Bobbie also had significant internal injuries and made the flight from basically Jupiter to Earth which would have taken a month or so.

[@Cbricklyne]

Unless their orbits were in perigee (Jupiter and Earth) - which happens only once every 12 months - realistically it would take much longer than that even at full burn* with their advanced Epstein drives. And even at perigee, Jupiter is still almost 4 times farther away from Earth than the Earth is from the Sun. (3.95 AU) (And they likely wouldn't be doing full burn with injured people on board as they probably wouldn't survive the trip)

[@LeeCarlson]

When visiting Earth, most Martians spend a lot of time lying down, or sitting, since their bodies weigh three times what their muscles are used to. The exception is Martian Marines who regularly train at full Earth gravity expecting to have to fight on Earth. Of course, even those Martians do not have a real comprehension of just how many Earthers there are (30 billion at last count).

[@creemoon9546]

" royalties?! you have everything i own :)" then she said "you don't need math for finances." he just smiled and said "ok" this couple, LOL i love them together. oh, also the next episode you should probably get some "Depends" and a plot shift compass, to navigate the dark space we are all so invested in.

[@trailoffiends]

There was nothing cute about that interaction.

[@Hawkido]

Martian Marines train under full 1G gravity. Not sure if they stated that in the show, but the books explicitly mention it. It was so the threat of martians attacking earth was a possibility. Also a body conditioned to 1G was better able to withstand high speed space maneuvers. With the side effect of being more prone to Kidneystones as you lose bone mass in space.

[@kirkdarling4120]

Yes, Avasarala mentions it.

[@robertcartier5088]

The ex-marine leader of the Martian delegation mentions it when he is reassuring the Earthers that he is easily handling the stress of Earth's gravity... The fact that he, himself, brought it up as a boast, makes Avasarala's jab about marines getting tired sitting in a chair, that much more effective of a burn.

[@madux42]

They actually mentioned it twice in that very episode, and in the reaction cut. ;)

[@Hawkido]

@@madux42 Yeah I fired that comment off pretty fast. One Martian mentioned it and he made it sound like it was HIS personal training regimen, but the book states that ALL marines must train at a full G. Just so they can perform on Par with the earthers if it came to fighting on earth. The book also made it more clear of the crippling agoraphobia that Mars and the belt felt when they looked up and DIDN'T see a shell or a hull.

[@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps]

I still don't see how Mars pulls that off. Do they have an O'Neill cylinder Marine boot camp station?

[@obelisk21]

Travelling in the solar system is much different than travelling on Earth since the distance between two points on Earth is fixed so the time to travel is constant between them given the same speed. In the solar system, objects orbit the sun at different rates to complete a single orbit so their position relative to each other is constantly changing meaning the time to travel between them will change greatly as a function of time. Using Earth and Mars as an example, at their closest, they are 35.8 million miles and at their farthest they are 249.1 million miles.

[@michaelgonzalez6295]

22:54 The time delay between planets: The time delay is being done, subtly for the most part. Perhaps not to your expectation though. It is a trade off between keeping tension and interest in the show and obeying physics. The show handles this with time delayed messsages. Moons and some asteroids might be close enough, but all communications to/from another planet is done via messages and not in real time two way. The listeners speculate, then bark out orders, hoping the situation has not changed by the time received. It forces drama via the isolation.

[@CezaryAkakios]

To be fair, the Drake equation is just 7 numbers multiplied. It looks scary because the notation uses subscripts but it's no more complicated than multiplying 7 values. It's more thought experiment than math. It's a very, very broad approximation meant to spur discussion, not really an equation that is calculating an exact figure, per se.

[@wtimmins]

It would be super accurate and precise if we somehow knew a lot about the probability of various things waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more than we actually do. ;) It's a scifi ice breaker only, because we have no flippin clue what any of the values are.

[@KingApeiron]

That line is Solid Gold. Fucking love that woman.

[@AnaPradosA]

Regarding the time. You are absolutely correct. They writers regularly have expressed frustration regarding the fact, they couldn't work out a way to show how much time does it take to do anything in space. So they left time vague and try to show hints, like hair growing and wounds healing to expose this fact.

[@davetheblade]

So I know the time of space travel does take time, but they actually did show how much faster it is in ep. 2x6. That was the crux of that whole episode, and it's true that sometimes it does feel like fast travel, but they do talk about time when it's important.

[@avsbes98]

One note about the time thingy: Afaik the six books that got adapted for the TV Show take up about 14 years, while for the show they compressed it a bit - the number i've heard floating around is 5-7 years. In the early seasons there is only a few occasiosn where you can really tell that time has passed imo, but in the latter seasons we have at least two half year time jumps that i recall right now.

[@avsbes98]

I don't exactly agree about there being no bad people on this show. I'd argue that there are certinly bad people on this show. But i'd agree (and maybe that's what you were trying to say?) that no single character DECIDES to be evil. Every character is the good guy, or at least an okay guy or a guy trying to make the right choices, at least from their perspective. I woukd however argue that some of them are very wrong about that assesment, for example Mao, Errinwright and some guys that we'll still get to know, as well as some characters that aren't on the same level of wrong as these, but still wrong, including Dawes and maybe Fred and at least the first Seasons version of Avasarala ( i think she has made the greatest character development from "understandable but bad guy" to "genuinely trying to do the right thing" so far - she will however not stay at the top of that ranking. There's also the thing that, as i would say it, almost every Character can decide to grow as a Character and find out who they should be. Some decide to take this journey (as already mentioned, for example Chrisjen) and some decide to stay where/who they are (some more obviously than others) - for example in my opinion when Mao saw his daughter's corpse, that was a point where the character could have decided to grow, to stop the project, get governments involved and try to fix things - but he didn't. The only character this doesn't apply to is Holden in my opinion - he instead needs to remember who he is and should be, as he literally told Naomi. He can be a great man, but if Fear, Anger and Ignorance overwhelm him, he can loose himself and turn into a monster, or an apathetic guy. Thus he always needs to focus on getting back to and then staying a great guy.

[@CuidightheachODuinn]

19:15 From the makers of _Fix-a-Flat_ comes second best lifesaver in a can, *Fix-a-Flatline!*

[@bwallatube]

additionally, tbf "they" didn't make the show, they got the broadcast rights and even if they had all distribution rights ultimately could not afford to continue past season 3, or to be kinder to them it didn't make financial sense.

[@HeliRy]

Part of what makes this show so awesome, is that one can be this far into it… and you still don’t know what it’s ultimately about. You think you do though. It’s such great story telling. Can’t wait to see your jaws hit the floor when “it” happens.

[@peccatumDei]

"Never look a gift horse in the mouth" goes back to a time when horses were common, and bought and sold all the time. Looking at the teeth of a horse was a way to access it's age and health. Looking a gift horse in the mouth would have been an insult to the gift giver.

[@danielflintknapping]

"Just spray him..." Oh god I laughed

[@kirkdarling4120]

Martians are extremely petty. Remember when the captain of the Donnager had gotten Holden to agree to recant his accusation of the Martians destroying the Canterbury, but she insisted on heaping the blame directly on Naomi just because she's a Belter. Now, even though Bobbie is willing to assume the blame of the Ganymede debacle (as the commander of the Martian ground force), they still want to heap blame on Travis...because he was a native Earther. Martians are petty and take things too far. You are right that the show doesn't give us a good understanding of time and distance between planets. That's kind of deliberate for the plot, but considering the difficulty of figuring what the planetary distances at some vague point in the future, that's understandable. "Right from their perspective...and their perspectives are 100% valid." You'll get that constantly in this show.

[@jamesholland5761]

👍

[@Yutani_Crayven]

Wrong. Way too much conjecture. Yao tried to pin it on Naomi because they had intel that she was OPA, and because even if Holden recants, the question of who is responsible still remains unanswered, so there would be more questions. If you want to settle the issue, just Holden recanting is not enough. Pettiness has nothing to do with it. The same is true for the situation with Bobbie. Draper is a good and valuable asset to the Martian Navy. Her taking the blame would lead to the Navy losing that asset. Pinning the issue on someone who is deceased, by contrast, wouldn't cost anyone anything. Again, pettiness has nothing to do with it. Moreover, Travis being an Earther makes the explanation more believable, due to the way tribalism and identity often works. Too believable, in fact, as Avasarala then pointed out.

[@kirkdarling4120]

@@Yutani_Crayven They did not have intel identifying Naomi as OPA. Lopez said as much...they were going on "earmarks" as he said to guess that she was OPA. Yes, the question of "who did it" remained unanswered because "OPA" was merely their guess...which Mars is going to discover very quickly was the wrong guess. A wrong answer is not an answer. With regard to Bobbie, her taking responsibility for any actions of her squad is precisely what commanders are SUPPOSED to do. Then they deal with disciplining their own subordinates. In this case, her taking responsibility does not "lose" her to Mars because her commanders can discipline her as they see fit, which could well be to simply return her back to duty. There is another reason why Mars wouldn't have been worried about losing Bobbie as an asset, but that's to be noted at a future time. The UN didn't need any more "believability" of Bobbie's story. They were not going to say, "No, you were not at fault because we don't believe your story." The UN just wanted Mars' official acknowledgement of fault. In both cases: The Martians were merely guessing that Naomi was OPA, and the whole story of her being responsible for the destruction of the Canterbury was totally invented and unnecessary if Holden was willing to recant. All anyone knew was Holden's story, and he was willing to recant it. The Martians absolutely knew Travis was not at fault, and that story was also totally invented and unnecessary. All the UN wanted was Mars' official acknowledgement of fault, regardless how they arrived at it.

[@Brownyman]

Weeping Somnambulist, a crying sleepwalker.

[@NigelSmith72]

After Chrisjen's moves this episode, should be clear why so many fans want Shohreh Aghdashloo to play Cadsuane in WoT... very easy to see her in the role :)

[@mintjulius275]

She could even make me like cadsuane probably

[@BCPvideo]

@@mintjulius275 Yeah, but could she make you like WoT:TV ?

[@mintjulius275]

@Travis Allen tbh I haven't even seen it yet. Do need to get round to checking it out

[@Justanotherconsumer]

@@BCPvideo Wheel of Time Tar Valon? Might be a fun spin off show… a prequel on White Tower politics. #missingthepointforfun

[@submandave1125]

@@Justanotherconsumer Sounds more like an MTV reality spinoff where they take a group of Aes Sedai from different Aja and force them to live together for three months.

[@cinedelasestrellas]

“Somnambulist” means “sleep walker.”

[@briandreger7006]

Showing time elapsing with wounds healing, hairstyles changing, Amos' beard growing etc. is way smarter than just talking about it

[@scambammer6102]

It's true that Expanse sacrifices some sense of distance for the sake of keeping the action up. There is actually a part where they focus on "the vastness of space" but it isn't for a while yet.

[@davidbergfors6820]

19:46 panic in his eyes... Love these little looks into your cute relationship!

[@invaderliz]

Oh geez, I would love to see you with your theatre background react to Station Eleven.

[@davidbergfors6820]

14:00 Shohreh Aghdashloo is owning this role here, I believe this is where she cemented herself as one of My favourites.

[@chrism7395]

24:00 topic adjacent but when the creator of the show Babylon 5 was asked by a fan how fast the in universe fighters move, he said "they move at the speed of plot"

[@TheLostBear78]

The "Don't look a gift horse in the mouth" saying makes sence if you know a lot about horses. It is fairly easy to tell the general age of a horse by the shape and condition of their front teeth. If you give someone a horse, and the first thing they do is check their mouth, it's saying that they don't trust what you said about the horses age. A well trained 8 year old horse is of value, a well trained 20 year old horse is of very little "monetary" value, as they are basically at retirement age. And while some 20 year old horses can be ridden, they are no longer physically capable of a hard days work. So, in other words. Looking a gift horse in the mouth is questioning the value of the gift you received from someone in front of them. It's kinda rude. But if you are buying a horse, looking in their mouth is normal and VERY wise thing to do.,

[@rodentnolastname6612]

In the context of the show, with 30B people on earth, who has ever seen a horse?

[@remliqa]

24:50 That is because they weren't planning on being outed as who they really are. Obviously legit MCRN officers would check the cargo behold confiscating the ship.

[@GarmrsBarking]

was just getting myself ready for bed...guess I'll just have to put it off for now....

[@LeeCarlson]

Unfortunately, Belters like the owners of the Weeping Somnambulist cannot afford the kind of autodoc that is standard on the Roci.

[@nmcnea771]

If I remember right my staples were supposed to come out after 7 days. I went on vacation and doc gave me his staple pullers, and at 10 days I knew why he said 7. The skin will heal over the staples and make it much more painful

[@jayburn00]

Drake equation describes the number of earth like planets there could be in the galaxy, how many have life develop on them, how many evolve into intelligent life, how many develop advanced technology, etc.

[@DaxRaider]

There is no anti gravity it's physically impossible xD

[@hawkthorn33]

Avasarala with the "where ever the fu*k I like" just amazing! I honestly do not know who you do not binge watch this show. Perhaps it is me and the no willpower.

[@killosopher6432]

A word of warning about reading the book. This show is a very faithful adaptation. And that means it closely follows the events of the books. Reading and watching in parallel would be like watching the same episode twice. What I'd recommend is finishing the show, taking a break, and only than starting with the books. The show doesn't cover all of the books, so they will eventually contain a completely new events.

[@W0NK042]

No, no antigravity. Everybody in the embassy has been on a steady diet of the tablets Bobby (& company) had to start taking + they have adapted/strengthened, over their time there. (Also, don't forget: Martian Marines train in 1G environments, should they ever get boots on Earth - This means they can also pre-train/test which Martian's could sustain extended time on Earth. 😉 )

[@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps]

I still don't understand how they do that with the Marines unless Mars has O'Neill cylinder stations or something.

[@jddang3738]

@@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps ships. And they actually don’t have a lot of marines.

[@pudgetron420]

The phrase "Don't look a gift horse in the mouth" essentially means "Don't try to ascertain the quality of a gift you've received", because if you were to receive a horse(something that has always been very expensive) as a gift, it would be considered rude to immediately check it's mouth looking for indications of poor health/hygiene/quality. Kind of like not asking how much someone paid for your birthday present. In the context of the scene it's mentioned, Errinwright is telling Chrisjen to stop trying to poke holes in parts of the story that bother her, just be happy the situation has been resolved with an apparent compromise.

[@hoon_sol]

You'd be delighted to hear that a science fiction story with "fixit" spray already exists: it's called Ubik, and was written by PKD.

[@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps]

The movie Logan's Run has that too so if it's from the novel that predates Ubik.

[@hoon_sol]

@@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps: The novel does predate Ubik by a couple of years; but Ubik spray arguably fixes a lot more things (anything and everything, in fact).

[@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps]

@@hoon_sol Fair eough then!

[@hoon_sol]

@@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps: You'll probably get what I mean if you ever read all the chapter introductions in Ubik.

[@Cbricklyne]

He's not shitting on Baltimore, my dude. Just keep watching, you'll see what I mean.

[@antonnovo695]

19:57 Thats the moment he realized...😅

[@johnmoore-fm9db]

To expand on the subject of time to travel to places, it was a pacing choice to not include it as the books do detail the weeks/months traveling between places. The best we get is alexs hair growing people growing beards, it would feel unnatural for the crew to say "wow it took three week to fly to this place same as every time we have done this journey". We do get com delays though and they are pretty accurate.

[@rodentnolastname6612]

Jupiter is about 3 weeks from Earth but only 1 week from The Belt. The Belt is between Mars and Jupiter

[@fellknight]

FWIW, with the Epstein drives they use, it takes maybe a week so go from Saturn past the Sun out to Jupiter on the other side of the Sun, it's actually really cool. Yes, they do travel at the speed of plot, but it's not actually that farfetched

[@PHDiaz-vv7yo]

I’ve been married almost 20 years and we still don’t have a joint checking account. Credit card though….

[@foxtango3862]

In terms of TIME: the show really glosses over the large amount of time that it takes to travel between locations. In the book, they state it takes 3 months to get from point A to b. the first book/season +3 took about 8-9 months in real-time. At this point in the story, the crew has been together for about 18 months. Timelines become way longer later in the story; orbital mechanics is a bitch.