Which airgun calibre? .22 or .177

[@joshwilkinson947]

I had a .22 for years. Switched to to .177 and wont look back. Because I'm shooting in the field everyday, or in barns at night, targets present themselves at different ranges constantly. I just find it easier for quicker shooting without worrying about ranges. If its under 40 yards its basically on the cross hair, so that's the only range I have to worry about. I just have so much more confidence in landing headshots on rats anywhere in the barn with no adjustments, that its so much more pleasurable to shoot.

[@_Mikekkk]

How about 200 meters? 40 yards is nothing.

[@joshwilkinson947]

@@_Mikekkk Haha no one's taking a 200yard shot on any game with a sub 12 air rifle mate 😂 unless you're a desperate child taking pop shots.

[@_Mikekkk]

@@joshwilkinson947 I have seen videos how people do. Crow hunting on 150 meters - easy with .22 and higher airgun calibers. .177 pellets are bad for long range, they lose stability and become inacurate. I have seen how people shoot even 300 meters and hit cans precisely.

[@joshwilkinson947]

​@@_MikekkkYeah you're talking firearms rated airguns then. That are over 12ftlbs. When that's the case, the speed of the higher calibers can be increased to the speed of a .177 and above, making them flatter, harder hitting and able to push the range to that of rimfires. Here in the UK the legal limit of air rifles is 12ftlbs which limits your ability to effectively dispatch game to 40-50yards tops.

[@tadejloncar]

@@joshwilkinson947Thats super unfortunate. 12 foot pounds is very weak. Luckily my country allows for 22fpe. So .22s are usable for long distance rat control :)

[@horacerumpole9263]

The caliber of the shooter is far more important than the caliber of the rifle

[@GustavoCardozo-ze1ty]

I agree

[@martinsozola8526]

I like them girthy

[@magpiesoup17]

Ye

[@spinster4000]

I have both a .177 and a .22. Personally, the .177 is mostly a bird gun. Not very good for big rats/muskrats stuff like that, but the .22 is perfect! I live in Oregon and we have HUNDREDS of giant Nutria, they're a blast to hunt with a .22 caliber slug. Whereas if theres a pest bird, like a European Starling I find the .17 to be more enjoyable. Less chance of it passing through and continuing its momentum and hitting someone's house behind (YES i know it passes through BUT it doesnt have lots of speed/energy after it passes through as it mostly dumps it into whatever poor bird I shot at compared to a .22 which would blow through it and continue on). For beginners id say definitely .177 as its more forgiving especially in price and range. Whereas a .22 is a hunting caliber.

[@hermit1255]

Its the extra weight of the .22 which gives it greater killing potential as it imparts its energy on impact with the target. However its important to note that pellet weight can vary for both .177 and .22. you can buy light .177 and heavy .177. same goes for .22. Honestly though the difference between the two is fairly small and its not worth over thinking it. Its best to get good with your rifle.

[@stevemiller1517]

Gamo,ts22 pellet,22 cal, 22 grain.

[@Beesa10]

I generally prefer .22 simply because that's what I'm used to and I tend to shoot at short to medium range. The .22 arrives with a bit more thump on target and the bigger holes are slightly easier to see. I like the fact that energy is transferred from the spring to the pellet a bit more efficiently in the larger calibre so a .22 springer is a little smoother and quieter than a .177 springer with the same muzzle energy. For FT / HFT using modern high shot count PCP rifles .177 is the calibre of choice because of the higher velocity (flatter trajectory) and because the diameter of the knock-down target kill zones relative to the diameter of the pellet means you achieve higher scores with the smaller calibre. I own both calibres, just prefer the slightly larger heavier .22 pellets.

[@kkolxasram]

This question of which is better .177 or .22 is like asking which is better, a small hammer or a big hammer? The question is incomplete. Better for what?! The purpose for which the tool is to be used must be clearly defined, and then the question can be answered. For example in the case of air rifles, a .177 is more precise than a .22, but at close ranges, say about 25 m, the .22 has enough precision to put the pellet within the intended area (the brain) plus it has more power, therefore you can take down bigger and stronger prey at close ranges than a .177. Also it is worth mentioning that the bigger the prey the bigger the area of the brain and so you need less accuracy to hit the brain. On the other hand a .22 at longer ranges with its extra power is pretty much useless if you are missing the head of a bird time and time again, while the .177 with its less power can hit the head of a bird with enough power to bring it down. Having said all this however I think that most often the general purpose use of an air rifle is better met by a .22 caliber. (But the main point here is to realize that a question in the form of 'Is A better than B' cannot be answered unless the question clearly defines the purpose for which A and B are to be used i.e better for what?) That is the real question people should be asking.

[@harrisonsneddon3967]

A big point they dont mention here is that in the UK, airguns are energy restricted, so the difference between .177 and .22 womt be that great. This is not at all the case in the US, and this needs to be kept in mind depending where you are, and what you have access to.

[@budscott1257]

.177 for me every time. Tried 22 and went back to.177 it just works for me

[@BryanMiraflor]

why. you didn't explain why

[@redgum1340]

You are obviously a backyard plinker.

[@billy.g3597]

Both calibres have their pro's and con's. But I think when it comes to hunting or pest control with a sub. 12 ft/lb gun, this old phrase is still valid. " 22 for fur, 177 for feather".

[@sahilsquadron2286]

The tiny mice ive been shooting with 177 have fur? Should i be using a 22? Also the pig shot with a 177 through its skull on here would say otherwise too..

[@GregoryPecaut]

This question needs different answers based on WHERE you are. In Europe with a 12ftlb power limit, what the fellow on the video said, is right. But with no power limit, choosing a 900 fps 177 over a 900 fps 22 is a major disadvantage. Since the 22 would shoot as flat, be less effected by cross wind, hit twice as hard, and cut a bigger hole. With more weight, the 22 would penetrant more too. Decide what you want the gun for. 177 pellets cost less, so if it's a backyard plinker, 177 may be the right choice. Economy, there are more, less expensive guns available in 177. If it's the same gun, just a different barrel, the 177 will usually shoot faster, thus flatter. That doesn't mean a 177 will be less expensive than a 22. Match 177 airguns can easily cost over a grand. Since pellets start becoming unstable at velocities over 1000 fps, you increase your power by increasing the caliber. Maxing the velocity will almost double your power as you move up in pellet size. 177 22 25 30 357/9mm 45 50 54

[@chriswinter2404]

Had .22 then tried .177 much better and faster/flatter than a .22

[@tomdawe5039]

I find 22 dumps energy better when shooting live quarry

[@snd7622]

It's true and more kinetic energy is transferred to the target with .22 👍

[@harrylloyd6955]

Funnily enough, i work opposite crackshot. Thought it was paintball guns but will defo give this a go on my lunch break.

[@LowkeyAirgunner]

Shot placement sure is more important than caliber... More energy (.22) sure can be more forgiving in an hunting situation but not needed for most small game species {But also has a faster curve that makes it harder than .177 to shoot at various ranges} _Was I supposed to hear the intro under this bell?_

[@primalcode3057]

I like both

[@ForBritannia]

The accuracy is with the .177 but the impact is with the .22 baring in mind both go off how well you can use your gun a .22 can be just as accurate as a .177 in the right hands but a .177 will never dump as much energy as the .22 will into game so for that reason I’d use .22 if I had to choose

[@cheshirebowman4465]

Who is the best guitarist in the world? Playing what type of music...is the complete question. . Same applies.

[@johngriffiths3309]

I started life using .177 in my child hood years up until my forties 5 yeas ago I started using .22 more regular and for some reason I find it more enjoyable and easier to use in most cases 👍🏻

[@michaelswitzer218]

Commenting from the US wondering if .20 is used in the UK. I have an old Sheridan pump in .20 that works great but I only use it when I can't use a .22 rimfire due to neighbors & local regulations.

[@thepenultimateninja5797]

.20 and .25 are both used in the UK, but they are nowhere near as popular as .177 and .22.

[@tomvanderham1416]

@@thepenultimateninja5797fine and heard that .20 pellets will stop to products. I do not know or it in england so famous and still sell? In europe is so more less or no .20 pellets in the shop

[@calchedz]

A .22 pellet is traveling faster at 50 yrds than a .177 , the .177 loses over 200fps , the .22 only loses 110fps

[@motto25]

yes but the .22 starts off 300fps slower than a .177...

[@BrianAmuro-z2g]

I like both pellets.

[@itsjustadot4438]

.22 has more Mass,impact damage is larger Whereas .177 doesn't do more damage but for penetrating..

[@jornmulder]

wy is a gamo whisper .177 more expensive then the .22 ?

[@willty]

I take it he is talking about sub 12 guns

[@WGLategan]

If an .117 pointed tip goes at a speed of 1250fps Can it penetrate a springbuck?

[@robertcichon8231]

You are wrong about hunting with a 22 its all about shot placing and its far easier to place the 1.77 more accurately at different ranges than a 22 sure at short ranges the 22 has more impact being larger but its all about correct shot placement not weight !!!

[@ahmondeboxley2950]

For serious hunting which caliber 177 or 22 I'm having a time trying to decide

[@Boone69]

wdym by serious hunting?

[@ahmondeboxley2950]

@@Boone69 not target shooting hunting only which caliber do you recommend

[@Boone69]

@@ahmondeboxley2950 Well, for hunting, i'd recommend the 22, it has more stopping power, because its heavier

[@flesz_]

I use C4 instead

[@nickallen8333]

Not a very informative video at all.. Didn’t go into any explanation of the pros and cons other than the drop.

[@jesuscontreras557]

.22 & .25 maybe if I'd live in UK I'd choose .177

[@Relaxbadkneeadventures]

Nice video 👍😉

[@tomvanderham1416]

And that .20 pellets more less to choice and so will soon stop to products, its very undervalued.. more energie power than .177 and more fast than .22. So sad 😞

[@billpotter7162]

I prefer .177. Targets and small game.

[@budscott1257]

What I like about .177 it’s cheaper, flatter shooting and kills just as dead

[@joelhall5124]

I just bought my rifles in both.

[@rapalaron6348]

That's the best option. You have always the right rifle for it's purpose. I own several HW's in 177, 22 and 25 cal.

[@joelhall5124]

@@rapalaron6348 I think it is the best compromise as well. That said, my wife's Brummie Webley Longbow is .22, as is my daughter's HW35, as these were the only ones available at the time. They don't find them troublesome at all, as you get used to the rifle and its nuances.

[@rapalaron6348]

@@joelhall5124 Right mate! For the price of one quality PCP and all the tralala that comes with it you can buy at least two quality springers in different calibers. Springers are reliable. PCP's have a lot of moving parts, O-rings, gaskets, valves that can cause problems. I own also a S410 and it's a great rifle but shooting a springer makes you a good shooter.

[@joelhall5124]

@@rapalaron6348 I've always preferred springers. Got my TXHCs and Prosports in both calibres and second hand you can get great prices: three of the four of them all have had specialist tuning and the most I paid was 490 quid. I believe they're nearly a grand new now.

[@rapalaron6348]

@@joelhall5124 Agree. I payed nearly a grand for my S410 walnut. I'ts a superb rifle, but i would never be my first choice to start with a PCP. Everyone who knows how to shoot a springer can shoot a PCP, not the other way. Cheers!

[@ElMistroFeroz]

Wait, people in Europe are allowed to use pellet guns?

[@Boone69]

ummm yes?

[@flesz_]

but you can't carry a knife

[@Draknareth]

@@flesz_ Uhh, yes we can...

[@flesz_]

@@Draknareth not in UK

[@Draknareth]

@@flesz_ yes we can. We’re limited to sub 3 inch non locking, but we can carry a knife and i do on a day to day basis

[@airgunlover1630]

.177 is best

[@elmanitasdeplomo]

I moan about the price difference between the two …yet smoke a packet of cigarettes a day🤦🏻‍♂️

[@RadDadisRad]

.25

[@jongarratt5383]

Heavy. 177 every time

[@freedomseeds2864]

I love hearing brits talk about shooting. Reminds me of an 8 year old in Virginia talking about dads guns.😂

[@Odysseuss.]

Well just 'ekk off back to the colonies, colonial.

[@peterzwegat750]

Well they are talking about Air Rifles. What did you expect?

[@nigelbase1196]

Always one sarcastic yank 🙄

[@paulbunn5527]

Can you imagine a yank doin a head shot at 60 yards with a sub 12 no chance he would need 80ftlb at least 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@akadams1756]

I bet you couldn't find the UK on a map

[@JanSilver-x5s]

Interesting ☝️😅🏅

[@josecerqueira6053]

.177 4ever.

[@Brock-Lesnar-WWE]

Under 30 yards .. 22 every time.

[@djangokill65]

.20

[@andyfry745]

Depends what you need it for.the old 177 .22 crap again…regardless of what you hear go hunting with both!!! It’s pure physics..a 22 does more damage everytime due to mass not speed….

[@calvinchandra6816]

I have 40 joules .177 going 1100 down to 900 FPS when psi tank lowered after few ten ish shots with 14 grain bullet what if I up the caliber to .22 with 27 grain bullets? just say the FPS is 800 with 50 joules then which one caliber is better at killing? since the FPS is lowered much with .22 pellets my hunting distance is between 15-35 meters btw but planning to buy a scope so maybe I'll do some bit further distance