Which Era of Space Marines is the Best?

[@thepaintingphase]

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[@margaretwood152]

Obv. it's The 90's_* simply 'cause it _Laid the _*_Foundation_* for _ALL_ that came aƒter. [🤔FUN FACT] The *Terminator Helmet* is a direct -Rip~Oƒƒ- _imagination_ of: a) *⬛Darth Vader's Helmet -&- b) the (original) _*⬜Storm Trooper* Helmet(s) (esp. the bottom 2 x *Nødes* )

[@boltgunmetal]

90s lead just has the style

[@manosanastasiou4405]

Can't beat metal totally agree

[@thepaintingphase]

Absolutely right 😎

[@margaretwood152]

Indeed.....🤔FUN FACT: The *Terminator Helmet* is a direct -Rip~Oƒƒ- _imagination_ of: a) *⬛Darth Vader's Helmet -&- b) the (original) _*⬜Storm Trooper* Helmet(s) (esp. the bottom 2 x *Nødes* )

[@MalcadorTheSigilite]

00's the perfect balance of details and aesthetics

[@thepaintingphase]

Thank you - Geoff

[@FauxHammer]

Grrrr, 90s R bestest - Ross

[@michaelstrange2285]

Agreed. Geoff lobbing truth bombs, too.

[@thepaintingphase]

‘Doffs Cap’ - Geoff

[@dominicskelton3031]

Is Ross thinking of the "Warriors Of The Imperium" boxed set? 6 multipose marines with bolters and a close combat weapon sprue, mainly intended to be combined with metal special and heavy weapons to make complete squads?

[@FauxHammer]

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I KNEW I WASN'T CRAZY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU UTTER LEGEND!!!!!

[@dominicskelton3031]

@@FauxHammer oh I'm sure you are, but I've still got some of those.... 😂

[@FauxHammer]

@@dominicskelton3031 hahaha, I must pick some up at some point just so I can say I still have my first space marine's I'm so glad I wasn't going mad, between filming and this coming out, I swear I was misremembering the bikes because those marines were flat bodies and legs. But you proved to me I remember a real product!

[@jimmyjamwhambam]

@@FauxHammer I knew what you meant straight away! I won a box of those in 94/95 from the warhammer roadshow that visited Perth in Scotland.

[@FauxHammer]

@@jimmyjamwhambam Thank you! I;m certain mine were in a earlier style box than the blue one I;ve found online. But I'm satisfied enough that flat bottomed boys are real

[@richardseaton6390]

The nostalgia is strong with this one! I feel a bit irate all over again at GW cancelling 'firstborn' (proper) marines for the sake of a cynical cash-grab - nostalgia sells and the ones spending money on Warhammer now are the kids of the 90s and 00s.

[@IVIaskerade]

Midhammer is besthammer, 3e, 4e, 5e was the golden age of space marines. You had the multipart plastic kits with huge interchangeability, metal was still around, and primaris weren't even an idea.

[@ZeeLobby]

Yeah, monopose and the effort to convert has killed the building side of the hobby with the newer stuff for me

[@IVIaskerade]

@@ZeeLobby The thing with "dynamic" poses is that one squad looks great, but as soon as you put two on the table or in the same squad it just immediately jumps out at you and makes it look bad, whereas a bunch of near-uniform models with a few bits of flair scattered through it looks great.

[@ZeeLobby]

@@IVIaskerade agreed. Building my 90 ork boys was probably the most fun I had in the hobby. Adding little bits. Changing their arms and legs around. Etc. And they looked amazing and diverse on the table. Even with 90 you'd pick out things here and there.

[@IVIaskerade]

@@ZeeLobby And the interchangeability! My chaos marines had close combat weapons from fantasy black orcs, and it fit really well

[@Starbladesarcane]

Battle for maccrage was my first intro into 40k and I loved that first box of multi part box of tactical marines and I loved putting them together one step at a time , legs, torso, arms, weapon, head aiming the right way. It was the best!

[@heirwolf6929]

I think those BA terminators are some of the best minis GW has ever made. The dynamic and detail is just fantastic.

[@olliep158]

The 90s has me for the nostalgia era - I picked up my first minis just before 2nd Ed launch. However the best era is one you havent mentioned, the Forge World/Imperial Armour era (2005 > 2016). The IA books brought something that the mainstream studio was desperately missing in the form of full narrative campaigns - Badab Wars, Siege of Vraks, Anphelion Incident, Fall of Orpheus, Doom of Mymeara, whilst also bringing in new fully fleshed out chapters like the Red Scorpions, Minotaurs, Astral Claws etc and exploring 40K off the heavily beaten track..... And then they brought us the Horus Heresy.... and my bank balance has never recovered since

[@mevl4822]

I some how missed this episode, great show and great shirt Jeff.

[@thepaintingphase]

Thanks & thanks. Tee from the amazing team at Last Exit to Nowhere (not sponsored, sadly).

[@Paranormal-Stupidity]

90s was the best decade for marines. That's when I got into the hobby. I still love the old models.

[@The_Mini_Creative]

I started in the 2000s and that era will always hold a special place for me but the new stuff has also just been fantastic.

[@sonicwingnut]

I think the Primaris could be saved if they gave them more drip - admittedly some of the Dark Angels stuff was promising and things like the Company Heroes were nice, but the big win for Space Marines in the 2020s is 30K - that redesign of the MKVI kit is just *chef's kiss* - and the plastic Spartan/Proteus are in my eyes the definitive Land Raider models.

[@thepaintingphase]

30k does look awesome.

[@sonicwingnut]

@@thepaintingphase admittedly it is largely an homage to the glory days of yore mind. 40K is reinventing the space marines with the Primaris, but 30K is instead refining the classics.

[@minzfast]

The 5 man space marine plastic vox that your on about did exist. It was called:- space marines, warriors of the imperium. They were i think £5 a box, and there were other £5 boxes at the time. 90's is the vest era of marines for me as everything was new and fresh. And im lucky to still have a lot of it. 2nd ed all the way 😁

[@roadrunner9840]

yep flat torso's i had these, also totally compatible with arms from metal marines.. great kit

[@steeldrac]

That Space Marine Captain with Terminator Honours was my first GW miniature. There was a multipart plastic kit. That was my second GW purchase. The left hands were open palms, never grabbing the bolter

[@DJRockford83]

That 6 marine plastic kit was brilliant

[@gamergrub9588]

I love it when Ross says as he remembers it and almost always ends up bring wrong 😂❤️

[@shinufilms]

we need an entire episode discussing orks. orks are always fun.

[@liampycroft1834]

Loved Geoffs style of presentation, and its convinced me

[@philipj.sechow7118]

I think the flat torso flat leg sections that you might be thinking of is the old guard units? They were around the same time period.

[@thepaintingphase]

We found the marines, they were actually a thing they were called ‘Space Marines, Warriors of the Imperium’.

[@green_manc]

The box ross mentions, absolutely existed, they were a box that came out after the 2nd ed release. Deimos pattern rhino is the goat!

[@IVIaskerade]

The firstborn aesthetics in any era just absolutely mog primaris all day

[@FauxHammer]

Would you take firstborn aesthetics but Primaris scale? Curious...

[@IVIaskerade]

@@FauxHammer Yes, I believe that's called "truescale". Although I'd rather keep firstborn scale and reduce everything else to match it

[@FauxHammer]

@@IVIaskerade yeah that's right! yeah i was just curious as I always loved the idea of true scale, as I said in the vid, i like the new scale. but I miss the old aesthetic. But great to know people preferred the older scale too!

[@paladinpariah325]

Boomers have no taste and can't handle change.

[@jameshogg601]

Have been putting together the new sword brethren kit and crusader squad which look amazing. But then you get the new desolation squad which look horrendous.

[@user-ob4sf5bk8p]

Superb video! Interesting funny, best one yet, normally watch in background, while painting this episode i downed the tools and just watched!!

[@thepaintingphase]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@DJRockford83]

There was a 90s 6 plastic marine box (my favourite) that was flat topped legs etc. They were great for converting and relatively cheap at £5 a box

[@legionnaireminis]

90s is my favorite. 00s is the best/coolest. 10s are the quality and high definition but lacks soul imo

[@thisoldwarhammer]

I got into rouge trader in the 80's but the 90's for me because that is the decade my son was born and he got into warhammer as well in the late 90's... that being said I do like the current sculpts.... and well whats coming next...

[@dominicskelton3031]

When I was 18 I had a job interview for assistant games developer at GW. I was hopelessly out of my league with the other interviewees all being graduates, but i got to meet several of my game design heroes, and we even played a small 40K game with the studio army, including that Marneus Calgar figure - last die roll of the game was me successfully saving him and snatching, err, defeat from the jaws of massive defeat....

[@cerysgibson5816]

Pain-Taying phase asking the most important questions: my favourite is the Folklore era 😎

[@thepaintingphase]

Tay Tay ❤️

[@esaedvik]

Imagine if presidential debates were this civil. Also, how did the ep not get titled as "Symbollocks" :D

[@CityofLight11]

It's counter-intuitive but per recognised standard timekeeping the year 2000 is part of the 1990s which is all just to say good job Ross you got the best decade.

[@thepaintingphase]

Cheeky!

[@CityofLight11]

@@thepaintingphase That land raider came out in the last year of the 90s (2000) and that's just the way it goes

[@thegrumpymanlikestopaint]

Not going to lie....I pressed to get this to play about 20 times before I realised it's released later 😂😂😂

[@FauxHammer]

Sorry, trying something new, we had fun in the live chat!

[@Winter-Nine]

You had me at the Space Hulk argument. It's done.

[@MinisModelsMayhem]

80's were the best: 30 x Space Marines = £10, 2 x Landraiders = £10, 3 x Rhinos £10

[@lamicrobio...engros5427]

I am just at the begining of the episode, but fun fact : rusticles are little rocks-like structures created by microbes in deep sea and made of iron oxydes and other stuff :)

[@khi-jonchua985]

Despite their problems, it's cute how he remembers everything about what the other guy told him about website building :D

[@aworldeater7989]

2000s hands down. Best space marines and chaos space marines. Also, Ross is correct around 19mins. That box of marines multi part exist. Box of 6. First box I ever bought in 1998. Bjorn was redone in that multi dread space wolf kit released with the space wolf revamp circa 2015

[@FauxHammer]

Thanks yeah, there was an earlier comment. it was called "Warriors Of The Imperium"! I;m so glad These are real becasue between filming and release, I kept looking and convinced myself I was wrong!

[@kealyj]

Puts on pedantic voice: The first Gaunt's Ghosts book came out in 1999, but the stories first appeared in Inferno magazine in 1997/1998. (I no longer have my originals to check, which is a shame as Dan Abnett signed my book 😥)

[@rupertjones5197]

Late 90s/ early naughties. We’ll get to a point in 10 years where the 1st gen space marines will be worth allot I reckon

[@Skelebob-sp7pn]

2000's for me, though that's probably heavily driven by nostalgia, given that's when I got into warhammer. I'm not a huge fan of the primaris aesthetic in general (especially the vehicles, which are a bit too halo and too many guns on them for me), though I agree the scale is better. One thing that wasn't mentioned about the 2000's marines was that the kit was fully compatible with the chaos space marines kit of the time as well, so you could mix and match to create renegade chapters and such as well (notably for a bit they sold the Space Wolves wulfen kit - which was a metal kit where they wore bits of both space marine and chaos space marine armour). One thing that jumps out at me from the discussion is the new terminators being "primarisifed" - but they haven't really, they are just the previous ones rescaled, I always thought Gravis armour was the attempt to make Primaris terminators, maybe that didn't work out for them.

[@thepaintingphase]

Some great points there, great comment - Geoff

[@ForgeFatherKotaun]

the box set was called imperial space marine and they were a tan color plastic, the precursor to the the tactical squad

[@almost_zab]

well you just won my heart with the opening ssx comment.

[@FauxHammer]

And your next comment won mine!

[@OldManRogers]

Ross means RTB01 - rogue trader box 01 - a box of 20 (?) multipart mk5/6 marines

[@Gallowglacht]

30

[@thepaintingphase]

We found the box he was talking about, it’s called ‘Heroes of the Imperium’ it was a multipart that came out before the Jes Goodwin 3rd edition (mark VIII) Marines

[@zackcook5123]

It's before my time but 00s I'm not a fan of the primaris armour, just it's shape's look off to me. But worst is the gravis, god I think gravis looks awful. First born needed improvement don't get me wrong. But theirs few recent marine releases that look good. Bladguard and sternguard are solid mind, the dark angel's characters where good. Personally firstborn and 30k is where it's at

[@TheRagingModeller]

Yes those marinees existed. Was glad of them, they replaced alot of my metal ones

[@alexblackmore5307]

I was a 90s hobbyist before a long break but my choice is the 2010s onwards 🤠👍

[@BarokaiRein]

Take a shot every time they say Space Marine.

[@thepaintingphase]

Christ!

[@paintfrenchy4735]

The 00's had more charm, but the quality of the recent sculpts is amazing

[@WildEchidna92]

The marines standing pose is good to have existed in the past. action pose is clearly better tho :)

[@richi95]

I think everything released since 2019 it's great. It's then when they really understood the digital sculpt and how to consistently make great things. Indomitus was a BANGER, and bladeguard are the quintessential space marines. Every marine should be compared against them, new and older ones

[@aroncheek5092]

I'm gundam mad I have approx 65 now, currently building mgsd barbatos, I think I'm only missing one or 2 variants of the barbatos

[@farplaine]

Agree that the issue with Primaris was the lore change, if they just rescaled them, sure a few people would have been annoyed, but overall most would have been fine with it. Primaris lore is stupid, but I love the models, hate the anti grav though. 00s is my favourite. Multi part multi pose minis, still in the affordable range, and before the company went full corporate, shareholder first customer second.

[@gamergrub9588]

Sassy Patrick is my new favourite thing 😂

[@margaretwood152]

*[🤔FUN FACT]* The *Terminator Helmet* is a direct -Rip~Oƒƒ- _imagination_ of: a) *⬛Darth Vader's Helmet -&- b) the (original) _*⬜Storm Trooper* Helmet(s) (esp. the bottom 2 x *Nødes* ) (Obv. The 90's_* Wins out simply 'cause it _Laid the _*_Foundation_* for _ALL_ that came aƒter.

[@aroncheek5092]

I bought a unit of blood angels in 93/4

[@oxiixo6762]

To, anyone outside the hobby , this discord and discussion might seen like gobbleygook. However, this is a typical total geek of geekdom converse , this is what we do and we love it. Yes, we know its not to be taken in a serious note, and have a laugh about our/the subject matter, we know is all in our heads ( we can never forget ) .Also, great to hear the lads have a bit of banter, and convey some passion about the models we love and perhaps not so. The converse reminds us that our opinions are subjective and on occasion very funny ( Glasgow 1,2,3.,4) .

[@nordenp]

Whilst this is the best era for models in terms of quality, I cant say I enjoy buying new models because theres so much less customisation in them. I want a cool character with such and such weapon that is in another kit and I want to jam them together in a frankenstein fashion. Now its just a monopose character with a bolt/plasma pistol and a sword/chainsword. It's just not the same. With the price rises too I feel ripped off knowing I can do less with my money and time than I used to

[@roccoraspanti5742]

00's for me, but I have a soft spot for 90's so I choose them both. Primaris... they're actually nice minis (and finally well proportioned) but what I don't like is that the aesthetic went from Space Knights to Space American Football Players/Space modern military special forces. There are a few exceptions (i.e. BT swordbrethren) but 00/90's flavour is mostly gone

[@1986rover]

Be interested to see where the metal Death Company and Space Wolves fit - I think they were 90s….

[@RavenMorpheus]

90s all the way. I put together a company of Dark Angels during 3 years of the late 90s. Unlikely to do that now due to cost and stuff getting squatted. Terminators were more realistic looking also - read the 1st edition Space Hulk fluff, there's nothing dynamic about Tactical Dreadnought Armour. Shame that everything looks so small now due to scale creep.

[@tonta182]

I think they made the primaris a little bit to small when they beefed them up, then they could have scaled up the rest to Primaris scale and beef the primaris even more so us elderly has a chance to paint all factions nice and proper :)

[@Rostislav0104]

I bet blood angels death company will be just upgrade sprue, they already doing it with intercessors DC. Im not optimistic on their refresh

[@almost_zab]

Rusticle only sticks if it's really humid o_O

[@FauxHammer]

Love it?

[@mogwaiman6048]

00's wins overall imo.

[@RobertHolmesTech]

Can't beat 1986-1995. Rogue Trader and early 2nd Edition eras.

[@peterplayingwithleadbrian5464]

The bikers definitely had flat waists.

[@garethbattell9989]

90's

[@stujm84]

90s has to be the best or you wouldn't have had the same sculpts for characters like Dante and Azrael around until just a few years ago. I doubt its because GW were being lazy for 30 years.... 😅

[@aroncheek5092]

Don't worry Patrick I didn't exactly grow up with a silver spoon in my mouth I had to do paper rounds and car washing, gardening to get my Warhammer in my teens

[@jonbauml225]

You're a funny bunch of guys. Made me laugh several times. The worst thing to happen to GW was becoming a publicity traded company. Big corp worst corp

[@bilbobaggins8962]

Brit here living in Germany (fluent). Funny to hear you butchering the pronunciation like I did when I first landed here 😂

[@FauxHammer]

I actually learned a bit of conversation when i used to work in Munich, but every time I tried to speak it I was looked down on, once told i sound "sweet" so after the looks i was getting, i gave up... Danke

[@bilbobaggins8962]

It's hard in the beginning, especially if you're in a city. I had a similar experience where no matter how much I spoke in German, I'd almost always get a reply in English. Super frustrating when you're trying to learn! Luckily moving to the countryside made it almost impossible to get by with English in my work environment and with the tried and tested trail by fire method I was soon well up to speed!

[@FauxHammer]

@@bilbobaggins8962 Yeah, that's what I was getting. The attitude from most people, especially professionals came across as "you are not good enough at my language to deserve a reply in my language", perhaps i was just too soft skinned at the time. but I was hoping for a little more respect at the attempt.

[@bilbobaggins8962]

@@FauxHammer I wouldn't take it personally, I honestly don't think its ill intended however frustrating it can be when learning/trying. Professional can be tricky, outside of small talk, little language misunderstandings can end up becoming big mistakes.. I would know, I've made more than a few 🤣

[@theminiaturepaintingtutor7885]

I'd've well loved to join this'n 😊

[@thepaintingphase]

It would have been a joy to have you.

[@IAMDOPED]

The ones from 40.000

[@kylekeenan3485]

Right now is the best era!

[@CaptinCrofty]

old tanks had interiors new tanks don't have bottoms.

[@thepaintingphase]

Space Marine Tanks, haven’t suffered that curse yet.

[@allidonald-munro9871]

I think the 90s were good for creating the lore and getting the characters we love, but the its only now they have the technology to make these characters come to life. For me its the new 2010s to present but also the 90s for creating these characters

[@liampycroft1834]

Definitely more power point please 😂🎉

[@JawaBob]

Alright, I'll say it. I love Primaris, the "pig noses" of the 90s-00s were just not for me and modeling in general has come a long way.

[@BSJDynasty]

that opinion is perfectly valid. I think most people lack the self awareness to realize that without the nostalgia, the old models were simply objectively worse. We call it "soul" and other ephemeral terms because there's really no arguing when we're honest :D But I also take oldhammer over modern any day of the week!

[@ZeeLobby]

I agree, the new models are awesome. If it had been loreless, my brain could accept them XD

[@Minglesmoot]

00’s for me… or is that just rose tinted glasses 😅

[@thepaintingphase]

I'm actually surprised how many people are into that era! will be so interesting to see more people's thoughts!

[@Minglesmoot]

@@thepaintingphase I was recently inspired by Arbitor Ian’s tale of 4 gamer series, this time they’re doing 40k badab war. So I’ve been scrounging up a lot of my old 00’s marines and trying to find some firstborn still in production. Despite the size difference compared to my primaris, they just look so damn good.

[@esaedvik]

SCHMETTERLING!

[@ZeeLobby]

100% the 00s. Honestly I know we're just discussing models, but the hamfisted primaris lore just killed my desire to enjoy primaris minis. Could have just released new Space Marine models and I could have slowly replaced smaller models with newer ones like every other refresh.

[@RequiemWraith]

To put in an initial caveat that I'm not a player, so how a character looks in with an army isn't a consideration for me. I'd take the 2010s onwards everytime. Although I'm in my 40s, I'm quite new to the whole thing, so I don't have any nostalgia influencing me, and the Primaris just look infinitely better IMO. The First Born helmets just look goofy to me, and they look so weirdly disproportionate. And I'm much more of a fan of the vehicles. The Rhino and Land Raider look more like historical vehicles to me, whereas things like the Repulsor look way more sci-fi.

[@ogremark5]

All incorrect. The answer is 80's Beakies!

[@thepaintingphase]

You need to take that up with Pat, he assigned the decades 😉

[@ajking4836]

I was thinking about why people get so upset with mew models etc and with my pseudo psychology I have determined that we are all geeks that were never in the cool club. We then get into Warhammer that is super cool but then you find out you have to shell out again to be in the cool club of new models so we feel left out again.

[@ZeeLobby]

To be fair, with primaris many were kind of pushed out or forced to upgrade

[@regularbear]

Blood claws

[@FauxHammer]

YES! Thank you!

[@joshgrillo2482]

Best SW box!

[@FauxHammer]

@@joshgrillo2482 Agreed, was it also called Grey Hunters? were they the same pack with different boxes? I'm sure there were 2 boxes. but dunno if it was like deathwing terminators and deathing knioghts where it was the same sprues in a different box

[@regularbear]

@@FauxHammer Blood Claws is a a GW exclusive and has 15 models (an extra sprue) compared to the 10 in the Gray Hunters box. Same thing just with 1 duplicate

[@FauxHammer]

@@regularbear Right! thank you... Still the best Space wolves ever was. I want this in Primaris scale.

[@marjohnbuncio2782]

10s. If you say anything else you are too old, coping, lying, or just plain wrong. Old models suck, especially old Marines. Primaris proportions is the best thing to ever happen to Marines.

[@andreweaton822]

I feel tricked, I thought this would be a little more interesting but it’s another interview with that third guy who isn’t honestly very interesting. 😢 Nothing personal, just not my cup of tea.

[@thepaintingphase]

The third guy ‘Ross’ is part of the gang now, I thought it was definitely not laid out as an interview, personally. Sorry you didn’t get something out of it - Geoff

[@manosanastasiou4405]

Plastic metal combi is where it was at for me bike squadron metal scouts devastator n ol metalic taci squad but not the misile launcher haha