Which framing nail gun did I buy?

I had some terrible nail gun problems. I bought a Silverline framing nailer but it didn’t fire the nails in properly. So I tried a HiKoki gas nailer - that was a disaster. Eventually settled for the HiKoki 1890 battery nailer and it’s awesome! Affiliate links:
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[@davidmcarthur1093]

I had an 18g air nailer for years and then bought a Milwaukee 18g battery nailer about a year ago and wow it has changed how I can work without a hose and compressor the freedom has been fantastic yes it was expensive but it has made how I work much faster. Taking on a house project myself in the near future these videos have been great inspiration thank you

[@GosforthHandyman]

Heard great things about the Milwaukee - good purchase 👍

[@bobbydowngrades]

Ive had the hitachi 1st and 2nd fix gas nailers for some time now, 2015 and 2016 respectively, Never had misfiring problems with them, maybe the one you got wasn't lubricated in the factory correctly, I find gas nailers to be spot on providing you regularly strip and oil them. I use makita 40v 18g and 23g and theyre really good but for heavy duty nailing i prefer gas due to the lighter weight.

[@heatheldridge7127]

I have a Ryobi air framing nailer and it certainly works. I want to buy a pro level one but I can’t justify it, because the Ryobi just works…

[@wayneleone]

Please don't point a nail gun, especially a mis firing one upwards towards your head/ face area. I love your videos Andy and I'd like you to continue making them 😉

[@cristianpaulmartinez52]

yup and good practice to take the batteries out or disconnect hose or plug when unclogging jam on nailers . or changing blades on other tools. recently while i was changing my disk on my grinder and hit the paddle, accidently scared the shhh out me, i O.O, coulda gave my finga a chop.

[@Bacrenfencing]

Paslode IM350+ & 360xi for me, purely down to the lighter weight and power they produce.

[@darrenpaulgreen]

Very informative video. I’ve got the Hitachi 2nd fix gas nailer and I’m very happy with it. Had been looking at the 1st fix gas version that you had a nightmare with, so will definitely strike that off the list. I use a 1st fixer rarely so have hired when needed and they’re always paslode gas nailers, which I’ve never had an issue with. I add the cost of this onto the job, but probably should get my own really…..

[@jeffechoe]

most nail gun lock out when its less than 8nail remaining. You need to load more nails and hold firmly down as its springs are harder on Hikoki

[@martinrs03]

Hi. I had the same with small nail guns (tacwise etc) and it was, like you, so frustrating. Ended up over boarding with ring shank nail and it took me days. Eventually I heard great reviews about the Clarke Contractor. Relatively cheap but very few jams. I’ve been looking at the same first fix nailer you finished up with as a result of Robin’s advice but keep backing out like you. It’s only every now and again I do framing etc. Thanks for sharing. 😊👍

[@GosforthHandyman]

Great gun! 👍

[@barryirby8609]

Interesting. I framed house many years ago and used pneumatic framing nailers. I noticed your nails were collated close together requiring an offset head. On this side of the pond we are required to use full round head nails. The Codes people claim they have better holding power. So they are collated with a space between them to allow fir the head.

[@morgzuki1]

Try using a decent quality gas. Cheap gases don't usually have a good mix and the dosage valve doesn't work properly. Its like having bad petrol in an engine, it just wont combust. If it doesnt combust fully it wont suck the piston back in. Also there are very few machines that will fire a 90mm ring shank. Im a repair agent for all these nail guns so I know the issues that they come across. Love your vids, very informative, just thought I'd put my two bits in.

[@GosforthHandyman]

Cheers - interesting!

[@1010mero]

Light and effective

[@michaelkilner5031]

I have experienced problems with equipment from toolstop and so have plenty of others. I am convinced the new saw I bought from them was a return and faulty and they sent it out again. I sent it back.

[@GosforthHandyman]

Not sure, this was defo brand new. They were great with the return though so couldn't fault them. 👍

[@robertrushbrooke1028]

Very useful. Love the comment... 'Take the shot...' Very Top Gun Andy.

[@Skilledcarpenter]

Dewalt type 3 gas less 1st fix gun , on site work never had any problems and half the price of Paslode and there not to heavy either plus the dewalt fits between 400 centres

[@GosforthHandyman]

Seen plenty pros with the DeWalts 👍

[@taylo256]

Next week video getting those bits of wood apart 😀 looks good Andy

[@GosforthHandyman]

😂👍

[@MarcusT86]

Wish I could get one, but would be overkill for my needs at present. I'll definitely keep in mind for future though!

[@NE-locksmith]

Gas nailers tend to be very temperamental in the cold. I’ve got rid of my pas lose for the same reason. Have the hikoki tho and it’s a beast

[@GosforthHandyman]

The Hikoki battery gun is great. 👍

[@grahameburnip5880]

I have the earlier Hitachi version, I hardly ever use it and I've had it for years. Last year a neighbour was remodelling his house and I used the gun, it wasn't as bad as yours but I still had problems with it not firing. I never found out the reason, sometimes I thought even though the battery was charged, it wasn't charged enough, but that was just a theory. Yes the batteries are a pain to get out.

[@GosforthHandyman]

Interesting. I suspect it's the same gun with a different logo. 👍

[@grahameburnip5880]

@@GosforthHandyman it’s the same one, Hitachi was rebranded I believe.

[@freetolook3727]

One of the most important considerations of buying a power nailer is the availability of nails and their cost. Big box stores don't stock some nail brands and other sources are special order only.

[@LostWhits]

Our local bigbox has a price guarantee. Noone cheaper or they'll beat it. They snuffed out competition on certain nail sizes and then stopped sticking them after competitors gave up trying to sell them. Now they're special order only.

[@GosforthHandyman]

👍

[@dougsaunders8109]

Thanks Andy really useful info. I am very much like yourself it is handy to have a first fix gun but I don’t use it often. I had looked at the Hikoki gas…… not any more the battery issue alone says no. I have access to the family DeWalt first fix. Not the world’s best but cheaper than other first fix especially when I am on the DeWalt battery platform and fine for feather board fencing which it has done a lot of 😁

[@GosforthHandyman]

Cheers Doug! See plenty pros with the DeWalt. 👍

[@dougsaunders8109]

@@GosforthHandyman true Andy. Works in a different way to yours or the Milwaukee. Fast spinning wheel thing. It does the job at the Hikoki gas nailer type of price ish. Cheaper if you get the bare unit

[@WombleUK]

I have got a few Pneumatic nail guns, Grex & Senco 23g Makita & Ridgid 18g, Montana coil nailer & Bostitch PPN strapshot & Palm Nailer. My current 1st fix is a now10yr+ Bostitch Gas Nailer & it has outlasted & out performed all my mates Paslodes & Dewalts etc, it fires any brand of nails you throw at it (Bostitch actually state this as a selling point in their adverts) Paslode are over priced temperamental garbage in my experience & really only like Paslode nails. The Hitachi, Rawlplug, Makita, Bostitch & couple of others were all the same gun just badged up & as gas nailers go everyone rates them highly. I got a gasless Milwaukee 18g & it is absolute rage inducing crap, had it in for repair under warranty 3 times waiting weeks each time to get it back, but Milwaukee must know they are garbage as well as they only give a 1yr warranty on them. I am currently looking at 1st fix pneumatic nail gun as in the cold gas is a PITA tbh. People say about the air hoses being a pain but I really don't find it an issue & air tools are so much more reliable & if you get a decent brand you can buy spares & service kits with the gaskets & o-rings for donkeys years after you bought the tools. Like other have commented the gasless 1st fix nail guns are really heavy especially if your having to hold them up or use overhead & they pretty flaky for jamming up & not firing properly. TBH all the gas & powder actuacted guns like my SPIT 370 need to cleaned & oiled regular to work reliably. Anyways that was my two pence worth as a Carpenter and Joiner for 37yrs.

[@135Ops]

I was thinking about buying a nailgun, you've just saved me an awful lot of hassle, I can learn from your misfortune. Thanks

[@GosforthHandyman]

The Silverline would have been good if I didn't need ringshank. 😭

[@tonygorham]

When you were discussing the overall length I was worried you would shoot a nail through your hand

[@amerh4190]

I've fired several 100 ficher 90mm ring shank nails with the silverline with no issues. Ok if you hit a knot then you need to finish it off by hand. I've actually had more issues with 50mm dewalt nails which I think is down to the wire collation or that a strip of 50mm bends out to shape and doesn't move freely in the chamber.

[@GosforthHandyman]

Interesting! My Silverline just couldn't handle the 90's. Left every one 10mm shy.

[@amerh4190]

@@GosforthHandyman The gun has a depth adjustment, took me a while to figure it out (well ... I didn't read the instructions). Clockwise to increase the depth. I also found I needed to play with the pressure. Try playing about and let us know how you get on 👍

[@GosforthHandyman]

Yup was on the 'deepest' depth adjustment setting. 👍

[@fazzini3868]

Uh-oh...n+1 on the tools...do I need a nailing gun? 🤣 Cracking video again.

[@GosforthHandyman]

😂👍

[@ianharris2578]

I have that exact model of Hi-koki gas nailer and I've found it to be brilliant, but I've always used the top quality Paslode nails. I wonder if it doesn't handle cheaper nails very well?

[@GosforthHandyman]

Don't think it's connected with the nails. The firing pin wasn't retracting. 👍

[@ianharris2578]

@@GosforthHandyman Yeah I was thinking that the pin could have been dragging against the nails, but either way, it didn't sound like a good experience!

[@mechanoid5739]

Great review! I think you nailed it! ;)

[@therandombrandan942]

Will you show us your new Makita tools soon please

[@GosforthHandyman]

Will try to do a vid about them at some point. 👍

[@charlesscottkelly]

Nice one, i will avoid that gun

[@0skar9193]

If you only need a nail gun for a small job or short duration hire one. Hikoki stuff is pretty good but boy the price tage is OUCH for small project use. That HiKoki gas nailer you had is faulty, bloody dangerous as well!

[@MrFish1968]

Milwaukee all day long

[@GosforthHandyman]

Hear lots of good things about them 👍

[@k.hussain360]

I mean the being a cheapskate part kind of goes with your geography. I'm sure if you look up Cheapskate in the dictionary there is a reference to the people of Northern England lol. At least you got there in the end lol.

[@GosforthHandyman]

Hey that's Yorkshire 😂😉👍

[@k.hussain360]

@@GosforthHandyman I think as county lines have blurred its reached the rest of the North. We're generous with everything else though 😉.

[@Al_Fel]

The gun wont fire every single nail in a clip it locks out with the last few nails. You need to reload it with more nails to get the end to depress.

[@GosforthHandyman]

Yup! But it wasn't depressing even with a full new clip. 🤔

[@sroberts605]

I don't mean this in a negative way, but why didn't you get the hammer out? Unless needing it every day, it's really not necessary to have a nailer in my estimation - and very expensive. I use a Paslode, and 9 times out of ten if there's a persistent problem like that, it's the gas - either out of date or other (mysterious, it's true) problem. I change the gas and usually it's back to normal. Either that or the pin's bent, or it needs taking apart and cleaning. Out of all my power tools, nailers require the most attention and maintenence. Whereas a hammer....!

[@GosforthHandyman]

Well the Silverline wouldn't have been too much to pay for occasional use... and by that point I'd bought over 4,000 nails. So it was then a slippery slope... 😂. But mainly for speed as the roofers were about to arrive and that would take me forever with a hammer (plus I'd need to buy even more nails!). 👍

[@sroberts605]

@@GosforthHandyman That makes sense - just seemed worth pointing out to all that it's not a necessity, hammers and nails have been doing it for a long time :)

[@girlsdrinkfeck]

be nice if tool retailers let u do a hire trial to see what brand/model tool suits u best, then u can buy a brand new model at your own will

[@GosforthHandyman]

Defo!

[@firesurfer]

Looks like Hitachi split off it's power tool division. "Where are HiKOKI tools made? HiKOKI uses state of the art assembly technology and manufactures in Japan, Germany, China, Malaysia and other locations around the world. Who make HiKOKI tools? Hitachi Koki Co., Ltd., a leading manufacturer of power tools and life‐science equipment, announced today that the company will change its corporate name to Koki Holdings Co., Ltd., effective June 1, 2018, and will rebrand its full line of power tools known as HITACHI and/or Hitachi Koki under the new HiKOKI ( ... What company makes Hitachi tools? As you may have heard, Hitachi Koki, the parent company of Hitachi Power Tools, recently announced that it's changing it's name to Koki Holdings. Metabo HPT will be one of the brands Koki Holdings owns joining Metabo, Hikoki, and other companies like Tanaka. Why has Hitachi changed to HiKOKI? The power tools manufacturer was acquired by US holding firm KKR last year, which means its name is changing to Koki Holdings. Its power tools division is being renamed Hikoki so that it can be easily identified as making power tools, rather than the other products Koki Holdings makes such as vehicles and televisions." Well, that was clear as mud. :)

[@GosforthHandyman]

Ha ha, yes. Try making sense of that lot. 😂😭

[@freetolook3727]

In tools, you get what you pay for. I bought a cheap drill driver to drill holes in concrete. I bought a cheap communist Chinese knockoff because I only needed it for a couple of holes. Later on, I needed it more than I expected and it literally fell apart. So, I ended up buying a name brand drill driver and am still using it.

[@GosforthHandyman]

Yup, sometimes you hit lucky but generally it's junk. 😭

[@interdec]

One word: Paslode

[@elioth.g.w2976]

If you were really tight you would have got a hammer !

[@GosforthHandyman]

If I'd had the nails! 😂👍

[@davidjma7226]

People remember the quality long after they have forgotten the price! Glad you got it sorted.

[@GosforthHandyman]

Too right! Cheers bud.

[@freetolook3727]

Amen brother!

[@jrsuk1170]

I'm a carpenter and I swapped to battery nailers from gas about 2 years ago. Over that period I developed ever worsening tennis elbow because these guns are just so heavy. This week I bit the bullet and spent over 1.5k swapping back to paslode gas nailers because they are so much lighter. Paslode are still the best even if the gas is expensive.

[@GosforthHandyman]

Yeah, if I was going gas again I think Paslode is the pro option. 👍

[@landyfox8976]

I think it’s down to personal preference. I swear by my Milwaukee Framing Nailer M18 FUEL. I was a pains to switch from my original Gas Paslode, last year, but have discovered it to be one of the better decision I’ve made. But as I said, it’s personal choice. People should use what feels right. Great channel though, keep up all the hard ‘GOOD’ work. 👍🏻

[@jobandknock427]

@@landyfox8976 I agree. I started on Paslode nailers in the 1990s with a first generation black gun. I went to DW (DCN692) in 2016 and more recently I swapped to the Hikoki cordless nailers and I'm happy with my choices, but then I'm not nailing all day and every day or above shoulder level. Sorry, but I don't regard the Paslode as a better choice - the "loaners" I have for guys working for me are actually a mixture of Senco and Rawl guns (more or less the same gun, different colours and badges) which have proved reliable in service but which I find are far easier to strip down and service than the equivalent Paslode or Hikoki guns, not to mention cheaper to buy

[@welshnutterz]

I brought an old paslode gun for £120, stripped it down, cleaned, oiled, changed the seals, rebuilt and it's been amazing, fully clad three house's in no time. Really happy with it. One of my favourite tools now

[@kenmann4698]

Andy, Ive the Hikoki gas nailer that you tried. Had some of those initial problems same as you when it was new. Frustrating I know! But It needed a couple of drops of Oil and to set the striker and it’s been brilliant, never fails, gets a quick spray Of wd40 every 200/300 nails & do a service every couple of thousand nails. Its been used on general building, doing extensions also lately used to repair/replace fences, with the 50mm nails for fences boards.

[@ashmayer2916]

I think you will find with your air framer, that the compressor is too small, it won’t keep up with the gun on rapid firing.

[@eduardvaniersel7535]

When I build my workshop last year I bought an €100 airnailer from HBM (a dutch importer of chinese machines, similar quality to Silverline). I didn't have high expectations from it, but it rarely missed a beat. 3000 nails and only a few misfires or double nails and no jams.

[@GosforthHandyman]

Great stuff! The Silverline would be great it it could do ringshank. 😭

[@bigharrybushcraft8364]

This video made me "safety squint".

[@colinmottram4429]

Was howling when you were struggling to demonstrate the time delay cutoff! I invested in a similar battery DeWalt 1st & 2nd fix battery nailer set recently and was very pleased- only reason I went for DW and not HiKoki (I was impressed with Keith Brown’s one) was I already have the DW batteries.

[@GosforthHandyman]

I swear the time delay was shorter than that when I was up a roof! 😂😂

[@billdoodson4232]

Only had my Milwaukee Framing nailer for a couple of weeks and have to say very very pleased. My Milwaukee finish nailer I have had for several years and have had no issues at all. Fantastic stuff. I suppose it depends upon which battery system you have bought into. I chose Milwaukee because it had the best battery technology at the time to my mind. Nothing has changed my mind either, now have £1000s nvested in Milwaukee.

[@GosforthHandyman]

Heard very good things about the Milwaukee 👍

[@adamandlorraine]

I went for the Milwaukee. Very pleased with performance. I won't be a regular user but glad to have it. The heavy weight does tend to make me rush some overhead or akward shots and press fire before I run out of strength to keep the gun up there or wherever it was. That would probably put off a roofer or framer who was used to using a lighter gas or air model.

[@nsatoday]

I went with the Milwaukee as well. Love it. Used it to re-deck a roof sheeting, build some walls etc. you are right about weight though.

[@pchisholm4]

I know people who own that gun and it works fine. I’m not going to say there isn’t any issue with that gun but Andy’s inexperience with them really shows. OMG when he poke the screwdriver in to the nose while it’s loaded and has gas and a battery in it 🙈

[@tlangdon12]

Andy did seem to be carefully pointing the screwdriver away from himself. It wasn't clear what might be in the firing line though.

[@GosforthHandyman]

At no point did I poke the screwdriver in when it was loaded, but thanks for your expertise. 👍😂

[@warrensmith2902]

Here in the States, I still have my Campbell-Hasfeld 21 degree collated nailer, much like your Silverline Framing nailer. Bought it with a compressor for about $120 over 18 years ago. Used it to build out 2 basements, including driving magnetism nails into the concert basement floors. Several sheds, fences, and 5 interior remodels. I've run about 2 & 1/2 big boxes of 3" nails through it. It's still going strong. Have 16g & 23g Hitachi (Metabo now) air nailers and an 18g Roybi battery powered nailer for portability as well. They all work great for the semi pro use I put them through.

[@GosforthHandyman]

Was a bit gutted the Silverline didn't do the job as I generally prefer air tools. Much less to go wrong! 👍

[@enemyofthestatewearein7945]

If you are looking for a cheaper framing gun, lots of people seem to swear by the Senco SGT90 gas gun, apparently it's very rugged and reliable despite being much cheaper than the Paslode. But for a battery gun, everyone seems to like the Hikoki, lots of recommendations and I've never seen a single bad review. Dean Doherty is very positive about both, and he's a man who knows tools inside out!

[@davidhull2060]

Nail guns can be a nightmare....I started with a Dakota air nailer. It was pretty good, but struggled with 90mm rings....I found the answer was to use 90mm twist shanks, but before I found that out I decided to buy the Dewalt cordless framer ( i had the old 16 gauge gun and loved it). That was a mammoth mistake because it constantly struggles to set even 75mm nails and jams every other nail. I solved the problem by getting a Paslode 360 and have never looked back. I would like a battery model, but im too damned mean to buy another one...if I did I would go for the Hikoki or Milwaukee ( well the Milwaukee coz i already have the batteries).

[@GosforthHandyman]

Yup heard good things about the Milwaukee too! 👍

[@ragstir]

Oil it pal , I've had every gun over the years including the hikoki which was always fine , when the firing pin jsns like that it just needs oiling. Thing is the ikoki, old paslodes , etc are dead simple to strip down and service as the external guts of them have never changed much over the years , that Hitachi packs in and you will have no chance of fixing it yourself 🤷‍♂️

[@darrenh20102]

Despite being nearly 50 years old I have never owned a nail gun. My wife thinks I'm not mature enough to own one.... Can't think why🤔. Anyway if I had the choice I'd buy the same one Denzel Washington uses in The Equalizer. 😉😉. I'm still loving the series... Please keep em coming

[@keitho77]

Buy cheap, buy twice

[@barneyapps2375]

Hi, can any one advise whats the most reliable second fix gun-Pneumatic, battery or gas and battery do people still rate Paslode second fix guns? thanks for any feed back.

[@BradKjernisted-ry6ii]

If it is not working,can you not take it back and have them fix it or replace it, or give you your money back.

[@stocksons]

I had the same problem buying cheap (Silverline?) Air framing nailer and it broke in a few weeks! Returned and bought a Bostich Air Framing nailer and have fired 10,000+ 90mm Ring shank nails now.. I bought other Bostich air tools and have no problems with any of them. (Learnt that paying a bit more is woth it for the most used tools.)

[@martynbuzzing3327]

Even air tools need lubrication. Something some people don’t realise.

[@GosforthHandyman]

They sure do! 👍

[@Doug....]

@@GosforthHandyman A lot of industrial air equipment is oil free and uses self lube seals etc inside. They are designed to be used where the comp air is heated and dried before being delivered to the machinery. Usually the air has a very low dew point so condensation is not possible. Imagine machinery in a food factory spewing oily air into the area 😱

[@ilijadjujic5911]

I'm a carpenter and I've had several gas framing nailers over the past 20 odd years, my last one was the hikoki one and I only had this issue every so often in the 4 years I've owned it so yours is most probably a Friday afternoon job. When that gave up the ghost I looked at battery ones but decided against them due to the weight as I do a lot of overhead work so I went for the senco sgt 90i gas nailer, had it for about 6 weeks now and it's been great. In that time I've done studowrk in 3 flats, 1 cut roof and 1 large flat roof. Time will tell if lasts without too many issues

[@theessentialguideforblokes7960]

Am pretty sure you need to give it a few seconds between each nail to recharge. The little brad gun you have can be fired like a machine gun because it needs so little air.

[@dougsaunders8109]

Lethal Weapon style ‘nailed him’

[@GosforthHandyman]

You can fire them pretty rapidly - defo faster than once every few seconds. 👍

[@jayperry3599]

Could you have been using the wrong angle nails in the hikoki gas nailer?

[@guitarcarfanatic]

I bought a pneumatic framing Dewalt for about £200 on offer and it’s been banging! Recently bought the 64mm coil nailer to do some cladding (also Dewalt) and it is also great. I couldn’t justify battery and had a massive compressor with 40m of hose :)

[@guitarcarfanatic]

Just to add, I have put 4000 nails through the framer without a single jam!

[@GosforthHandyman]

Actually looked at the DeWalt air nailer but nowhere had any in stock. I do like air nailers though. 👍😁

[@georgeatkinson6023]

Hi great video as usual-I was just wondering why you didn't go with Makita as you already had the batteries and charger, you could have bought the tool naked and saved a few quid.

[@GosforthHandyman]

Cheers - I don't think Makita do a battery-only framing nailer?

[@tonyduffield1791]

The end won't depress because it's out of nails

[@johncookson4117]

For what it's worth, I bought the Silverline nailer for my shed build last/this year (and still building!). It has been virtually faultless with both 90mm and 60mm ring shank nails. You do have to adjust to get the depth correct, but that's a doddle. It will do me for many fences and other projects to come, and as a DIYer, it ain't worth me getting any battery nailer!

[@leechaplin8756]

Agreed John, I’ve also used the silverline air nailer. It’s fantastic feels very powerful when driving nails and only dosnt fully sink the nail if you have the adjustment set wrong. So that’s a real shame that you had a bad experience with the silverline as we can’t fault it, for the diyer that is!

[@thedestroyer3262]

I looked at the air nailer but not having a air compressor makes the air nailer and a batter nailer cost pretty much the same (125+200for a basic air compressor and nail gun or 300 for a dewalt battery nailer) so it makes the decision pretty hard.

[@johncookson4117]

@@thedestroyer3262 Fair enough. I had a SIP Superboxy(?) which I've had for ages for car tyres mainly. It's enough for the air nailer, but no other tools really. It was about 100 quid when I got it, but they're up to 180 now!

[@stephenlines9431]

Er, wouldn't a hammer work better?

[@nsatoday]

Milwaukee makes one that’s awesome as well

[@hugobose2254]

Sounds like a faulty nail gun to me

[@robdiv5848]

Hikoki nail guns are the best

[@ianspaintpot]

when it comes to air nailers in the case of the silver line would not fire ring shank just turn up the pressure on the commpresser some nailers have a pressure nob on them

[@darkviper62]

At 11 min it had run out of nails.

[@jobandknock427]

The following comments apply to 1st fix (framing) nailers: I fully agree with your comments about the Silverline pneumatic framing nailer, although TBH I've found the same comments apply equally to the cheap models from Clarke, Sealey, et al - poor build quality and reliability issues. I periodically do bulk nailing jobs (things like diaphragm floors) which require a pneumatic nail gun to achieve the required daily nailing rate (10 to 13k nails/day). At this rate of firing gas and cordless nailers simply overheat and seize or stop after 45 to 60 minutes of operation 9they then require a good hour or more to cool down). Good quality pneumatic guns just keep going, but, they aren't cheap: a typical industrial-quality Senco, Hikoki, Paslode or Makita 1st fix pneumatic nail gun will cost you £350 plus (I have several Sencos). So far from being a cheap option, a good 1st fix pneumatic nailer is just as expensive as an equivalent gas nailer, but with periodic cleaning and oiling it will last 20 years,. something I doubt a gas or cordless nailer can ever achieve I'm surprised that you had a dud Hikoki gas nailer. I've used Hikoki gas nailers in the past and found them to be on a par with Paslode nailers for reliability. I suspect that your "dud" actually has a nail feed issue rather than actually misfiring. It could be caused by a number of issues, but is most likely curable quite easily. Shouldn't happen on a new tool. though There is a whole slew of issues with gas nailers, in that they do require a bit more "savvy" to use successfully. Gas nailers seem to suffer from a lot more issues than cordless nailers - I've had guns where the igniter has failed (both the "spark plug" and the control board), where the fan has died, and where the gas canister microswitch has failed - all relatively expensive failures - together with the more common problems of guns getting "coked up" with oil or carbon (necessitating an in-field strip down and clean-out), battery contacts have gone black (caused by arcing, a common failure), and where the gas canister is either out of date or has simply lost pressure since the gun was last used. TBH I think this makes them less suitable for sporadic users, especially when you consider that the 2 or 3 canisters of gas you have to buy with a box of nails cost you £15 to £25 extra obver the cost of boxes of nails without the gas. The main advantages that gas nailers still have is that they are smaller and lighter than cordless nailers, cheaper than cordless nailers (unless you are already committed to a battery system and can buy a gun "bare") and that people in the trades are likely to be familiar with them I don't understand why you are having delay problems with the Hikoki, though. I put mine into bump mode, and start nailing. End of. I know that there is a safety interlock which means that once you press the nose down onto the work you have maybe 2 or 3 seconds to pull the trigger - maybe you're just a bit slow pulling the trigger?

[@RCSRetro]

The reason the Silverline nail gun wouldn't work with 90mm ring shank nails is because it isnt supposed to! The specs of the nailer are that it can fire 50 - 90mm plain shank nails and 50 - 75mm ring shank nails. It works fine and does exactly what it is supposed to do!

[@hoshm5496]

Had my dewalt first fix for 4yrs, it’s a flywheel type without gas so it’s defo heavier than like a pasload but it’s been brilliant not had many misfires tbh and it’s done a ton of work

[@hoshm5496]

And also I’ve used the hikoki battery guns made by hitachi and they are great prob better than the dewalt tbh

[@GosforthHandyman]

Great stuff! 👍

[@hoshm5496]

@@GosforthHandyman your content is great stuff, keep up the awesome work mate 👍

[@hoshm5496]

@@GosforthHandyman honestly I left the trades a year ish ago coz it’s not the same anymore but the vids you put out make me proud that there’s still people out there that still give a sh1t about their quality of workmanship so good on you for keeping it up mate an I mean that 😀👍

[@lozryan7534]

I’ve the 1st and 2nd fix dewalt battery guns. 2nd fix never let’s me down but 1st never works very well.

[@albatros1752]

to cold for gas gray hitachi

[@Monkeh616]

You'll eat up those straight nails on non-structural framing eventually I imagine. Nothing wrong with 'em for studwork. The Silverline probably wouldn't have lasted long even if it did work for you. Not a brand I've ever found.. pleasing. They're in the same category as Rolson.

[@superchipbrian563]

Had a similar issue with hikoki gas nailer, fired, wouldn't fire etc. Lasted all of half a day when the casting which the depth adjustment bolt screws into broke in 3 pieces. Been sent straight back and have now got the same hikoki battery nailer. Also had a senco gas nailer, which didn't even work from the word go, straight back that one as well. Let's see how this one goes, third time lucky.

[@inflamable1977]

Andy please stop pointing the gun at yourself when the battery and gas are in. It easy to do with a poor tool that doesn't work and demonstrates why a poor tool is dangerous. I love your channel and don't want too see you get hurt. Keep up the great vids,they are inspiring even for a nearly 60year old Durham lad like me. The renovation has been great and I love your KZbin and pod cast recommendations. 10 min workshop tip is really appreciated. Keep on keeping on.

[@Clark-Mills]

FYI: Ring-shank stainless 90mm with the battery Hikoki isn't a qualified option. I jammed mine up and had to send it in for repair. You may not be using SS nails... But I love the gun...

[@rossbuchanan7632]

At 10 mins- you haven't got enough ammo. There needs to be at least 6 nails in the magazine or it will lock out. That said, its clearly wonk if it is misfiring every other shot. Generally those hitachi gas nailers are reckoned pretty good. I don't use a nail gun often enough for a gas nailer. You dig out the paslode after a few months and find there's no gas left in the can. I went straight to the Hitachi/hikoki cordless nailer. It is great, but quite heavy. The milwaukee is also very good. I have used a dewalt -could not get on with it. Air nailers, pneumatics are alright, but if you are framing a big structure, or actually erecting or doing a roof, you need about a quarter mile long air pipe, and if you work fast, you need a very big compressor, not a little quiet jobbie like yours. They do hold a lot of nails though. With the Hitachi, I seem to run out of nails every 5 minutes, and the box of nails is always as far away as can be. The strips fall out of your nail bags when you bend over, So you put them in your back pocket and they stick painfully in your bum instead

[@stevehallam6495]

I wouldn't give a second look at anything other than a paslode (if you are using it regularly). My first framer cost me £270 (20 yrs ago) new and i had it about 12 years selling it still working for £170. I tend to buy nearly new now and replace more often. 2nd hand prices are high so your never really going to lose much money. As is nearly always the case with tools buy cheap buy twice.

[@peterthebricky]

When I had my paslode cheap nails would cause misfires

[@GosforthHandyman]

👍

[@trbjrnjnssn]

First video I watch from you, and I love it. "So I completely ignored their advice..." :D

[@martincook3201]

I was having palpitations watching you aiming the misfired gun right back towards you! Please don't do that!

[@mozu517]

That's what I said! 😱☠😱💀

[@GosforthHandyman]

It's NEVER pointed at me with a nail in the chamber. That would be insane even for me. 😂👍

[@freetolook3727]

We ask the wrong question when purchasing. We ask "How cheap is it?" when we should be asking "How long will it last?".

[@GosforthHandyman]

Throwaway society! We're now installing disposable light fittings in the UK. 🙄

[@andymccabe6712]

@@GosforthHandyman yes, but led! All the ones I've bought have lasted for several years, so far...also, they're cheap, compact, lightweight, produce almost no heat, water resistant...........!

[@disklamer]

This would have gone back whence it came after not being able to finish a single clip of mails without issue. Failure this bad is a manufacturing mistake, don't waste your time, any tool that isn't working properly is a hazard.

[@markw7997]

I've got the dewalt battery nail gun and fired in 4500 nails only only 3 went pair shaped and that was due to hitting other nails .Absolutely brilliant nail gun.

[@GosforthHandyman]

Heard good things about the DeWalt!

[@markw7997]

@@GosforthHandyman I was very reluctant to get a first fix nailer when erecting my new workshop but in hindsight I wouldn't be without it .Can you imagine how much strain on my arms it would be to knock 4500 nails in lol .

[@elijahlafayette7666]

There is only one: Hitachi/Metabo NR83A5 Ive been a framer for 20 years, trust me

[@jimmylad8714]

Russian roulette

[@UberAlphaSirus]

Some tools you just have to spend the money on, even if it's for a hobby. Jigsaws are another one you can't cheep out on. Blimey, don't stick a screwdriver in the pointy end. It will break your wrist in two. How big of a hammer blow would you need to drive one of them home in one hit. That's the force you will get on your hand with the screw driver handle ;D

[@GosforthHandyman]

Unfortunately screwdriver in the faulty end is the only way of resetting the firing pin. 🙄👍

[@UberAlphaSirus]

@@GosforthHandyman forgot to say, I am also a virgin. Kick back on a lawn mower pull cord hurts enough, similar piston size but you get the full welly on the crank/anvil end. Some days I put on a floaty dress and call meself Sally as a safe name. Sometime I smother myself in vasaline and hide in a damp bush and pretend to be a slug. ;p It's funny if somebody else does it. You feel like are right muppet if you do it yourself.

[@GosforthHandyman]

I read that quickly and initially saw "put on a floaty dress, call myself Sally and smothered myself in vasaline". Got worried there. 😬😂

[@m215900]

You must have a faulty gun, I have the exact same model, had it for about year, just completed framing a large garden room with it in the same weather, it has not missed a beat.

[@jongmassey]

Probably for the best you sent the silverline back, I've had nowt but trouble from them. One of their router bits exploded on me first time it span up and embedded a carbide blade in the shed wall. Glad it went there and not in my guts. Ever since then have given them a wide berth

[@kylemailer854]

I'll only use padlode now the problem now with all these guns is the limited branded nails to go with the gun brand another reason why I use paslode.. my friend is a fencer & he used a air gun but hes recently bought a dewalt coil nailer he was telling me how impressed he is with it

[@mikvagn]

Got an Tjep 34/90 gas nail gun, works perfect … and hello from Danmark

[@noskills9577]

How many videos have you done in the past and told people you get what you paid for? 😂. At least you got there in the end.

[@andymccabe6712]

Yes - but the faulty/rubbish one was still s lot of money and, of course, should have worked......!! It's often the case that a cheap tool does what you want it to do perfectly well..!

[@TheToolnut]

@@andymccabe6712 If one is going to buy a gas framing gun then Paslode is the only show in Town. If one is going to buy a pneumatic gun then stick to high end name brands like Makita, Bostitch, DeWalt, and Senco.

[@SteveAndAlexBuild]

Gas nailers, not very cheap or cheerful 😡👍🏼🧱

[@GosforthHandyman]

Lol tell me about it bud! Got there in the end. 👍😂

[@cuebj]

Silverline is weird brand. Some excellent items, others trash or simply not up to job you expect they were made for

[@squirelad28]

I have the paslode im250a and im350. Can't go wrong and they never miss a beat