Which Mizuno MP-20 iron suits me?

[@MurphyGreg]

This comparison review between the new MP 20 lineup and the JPX 919 was just what I was looking for. Thanks guys :)

[@todaysgolfer]

Pleasure, Greg.

[@louieatilano6927]

I play with MP25’s, My third set. MP’5 for my second set which I play a lot with. MC 501 Muira’s I put into play if I’m in a tournament. I find my Muira’s and MP25’s to have a bit more forgiveness. I am 5 but shoot lower if my driver is working. My question which or how different is the MP20 to My MP’s?? Than you for your feed back🙏🏼🙏🏼

[@todaysgolfer]

Thanks for the comment Louie. The key difference will be the very thin copper coating on the MP-20's, this hasn't been part of a Mizuno iron since the late 80's. Some will argue that improves feel, but obviously feel is subjective. Might be worth saying if Mizuno continue to work on a two year product cycle the MP-20's are due for replacement this summer.

[@carleverts5520]

I tried a set of the MP-20 HMB irons this weekend and they felt great. Straight pattern on the the launch monitor. Very forgiving and great feeling iron. Definitely on my short list of getting new irons. Nothing feels like a Mizuno!

[@todaysgolfer]

A solid choice in our opinion Carl. #greeneyemonster

[@kenmcc5734]

Carl Everts Nothing.

[@carleverts5520]

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[@kenmcc5734]

feels like.

[@legend9018]

Great video lads and love the comparisons of where these new models fit. Keep up the good work

[@todaysgolfer]

Thank you Michael.

[@JDSFLA]

Well done video. I especially like how you integrated the historical DNA of these clubs, technical features, plus covering the entire Mizuno line, and how different models might fit one's game. A really complete analysis that is much more helpful than just a review of the MP-20 line alone.

[@Mj-CWO4]

I for one like the thick top line, I haven’t heard anyone say they don’t unless they have the ability to play blades. Isn’t spin the killer of distance?

[@CodySR96]

Question. I’ve been playing the 919 Hot Metals for a year and that was my first year of golf. I’ve grown tremendously and just feel like the Hot Metal is holding me back. I strike the ball well and consistent but am wondering if maybe I should move to the 919 Forged or MP20 HMB ? I’ve played my father in laws MP-64 and hit them well. I know a proper fitting is key but any recommendations from you guys ?

[@allenwilson8913]

Realize, when Mizuno put the combo SEL together for us lefties, they combo'd the MB with the HMB...HMB in the 3&4. The MB and HMB blend well together.

[@stephencarroll5592]

Hi guys, thanks for the insight on the MP-20, great video, I have a question if I may. Would the HMB be good for a 16 handicap, unable to get good height on longer irons, can work a ball (sometimes without trying), 65 years young and have Mizuno irons on my bucket list. Thanks in advance.

[@todaysgolfer]

Thanks for the question Stephen, sure you can appreciate it's really difficult answering questions knowing nothing about your game? What is it that attracts you to the HMB? Are you thinking along the lines you want a forged feel but want to maximise ball speed/distance? As to whether the iron suits you a lot depends on your own ball striking ability. If Mizuno had the same question, they'd probably say a typical 16 handicapper probably wasn't the target golfer for the HMB, but that doesn't mean they can't work for you. Best advice would be to give them a try, as they are quite a small club head. Not sure if you're aware but new Mizuno irons are due very soon, it might well be worth waiting and seeing the new 'Forged' model before buying something else.

[@mowlanarabbani7971]

If you had to do a comparison between HMB and PING I210 would you classify HMB as more forgiving than I210?

[@todaysgolfer]

We'd love to say we've hit the pair side by side Mowlana, truth is we haven't, which makes it difficult to make comment. We will be doing it over the coming months though.

[@steviewonder2492]

I must have watched almost every review of these irons and this one was the best one. Great info on history and comparison to other recent Mizuno irons! I’m looking at a combo set of MB pw to 8, mmc 7-5, HMB 4-3. Do you know if Mizuno recommends adjusting the lofts? And it so, would you adjust mmc, HMB to MB, the other way around? And why? Thanks guys!!!

[@todaysgolfer]

Thanks so much for the comment and feedback Stefan, very much appreciated. Yes Mizuno will adjust lofts for you. it might take a bit of time to get them absolutely spot on for gapping your game, but be patient, it's well worth the effort. We'd recommend working with a good fitter. And work purely on gapping and don't be concerned about matching loft gaps between each club. It depends on what you're looking for from your irons as to which way you go with lofts. Just don't adjust the MB's in the short irons so much you end up changing sole bounce. Good luck and let us know how it goes.

[@steviewonder2492]

Today's Golfer Thanks!

[@roberthammer2446]

Thank you for the review. I do have one question for you, though how does the PING I 500 compare to these Mizuno models. Which would you choose?

[@todaysgolfer]

Thanks for taking the time to say so Robert. If it helps we've tested the Mizuno's and Ping i500 together within our 2020 test sessions. Link below www.todaysgolfer.co.uk/equipment/best/golf-irons/ Neil was particularly impressed with the MP-20 HMB so they would probably be our pick, especially as the i500 are now two years old.

[@leeclements4645]

Great Comparison how about talk about combination of mix of mp range ?? Thanks for great work

[@todaysgolfer]

Thank you Lee, appreciate the feedback.

[@CB-nd9ki]

I've been playing the jpx 825 pro's for 8 yrs. (10 handicap). What are your thoughts on transitioning to mp-20 or hmb/mmc? Or combo of these??

[@todaysgolfer]

What are you hoping achieve with the switch Chris? Are you aware Mizuno have just launched a new JPX921 iron family this week? The story is on our website here bit.ly/2XXIXTV We probably wouldn't make any decision until you've hit the new JPX921 Forged - it's whole body is forged from chromoly steel which has performed very well in our initial test sessions.

[@CB-nd9ki]

@@todaysgolfer There is nothing wrong with my clubs other than wear and tear. They are approaching a decade old and I would like to just get something more recent technology. I've invested quite a bit of money (more than the club heads) in Nippon shafts. Having those shafts "pured" and hitting them has been nice but, i feel the heads might just be out of date from the latest and greatest. Or am I reaching on this? Why would one switch from JPX to MP? I'm going to hit the MP's next week and see but, I feel it might step up my game a little.

[@skyecooleyartwork]

How does the MP-20 MMC compare to an earlier, similar-appearing club the MP-59?

[@garrettanderson4493]

Hey Simon, I am shopping a new iron set and am now between the JPX 921 Hot Metal Pro and the MP-20 HMB. I know I would benefit from the extra ball speed that comes with the JPX 921 HMP, but wow how much better does the MP line look? So my question is, as a golfer who is currently a 12-13 handicap but pretty consistent with ball striking (the chipping and short game are the added strokes more often than not); Would a club like the HMB be a club that would be a good fit and be useful as I progress and keep improving my game or would more of a game improvement iron like the JPX Hot Metal Pro be a better choice. How much should the look play into my buying choice, should you love the look of the clubs you buy? Thanks for the videos and feedback!

[@todaysgolfer]

Thanks for the comment Garret, very much appreciated. Looks and how emphasis you put on them are really down to the individual. Personally I'd much rather have performance stacked in my favour, but I don't believe in making the game harder than it needs to be, which is a mistake so many people make. At the end of the day golf isn't a game of how good your good shots are, it's about how good your bad shots are. Not sure if that helps?

[@garrettanderson4493]

@@todaysgolfer Thanks for the quick answer, even on an old video! No, that definitely is some solid advice. I think I as well as many other armatures have that desire to have a set that looks like a pros but may need that outside voice that that may not be the best choice for helping improve and more importantly make your rounds enjoyable. Thank you!

[@todaysgolfer]

@@garrettanderson4493 Pleasure, we absolutely get you.

[@robh316]

What handicap would you recommend for the hmb irons?

[@DocWilly77]

I'm a 24 handicap, and i could hit the mmc 7 iron just fine, averaging 156 yards consistently. I felt it was just as forgiving as the hmb.

[@todaysgolfer]

Thanks for the feedback Doc

[@dangaulin8047]

Great information....well done guys as always

[@todaysgolfer]

Thanks so much for taking the time to say so Dan, very much appreciated.

[@tommymician121]

Thank you for a great comparison! Which combo set would you recommend to a 1 handicapper who still wants a good amount distance and forgiveness in the mid-long irons: t100 (P-8) and t200 (7-4) or mp20 MMC (P-8) and mp20 HMB (7-4)? Thanks!

[@todaysgolfer]

It's a lovely choice to have Tommy, to be honest you won't make a bad choice going either way. All the sets you mention will have the same shelf life expectancy, both are very solid choices. If you want to keep an eye on distance the Mizuno's are 2deg stronger in the mid and longer irons, which might well make the decision for you. Let us know which way you go.

[@matth3914]

What's the difference in performance or type player between the HMB and the JPX Forged?

[@todaysgolfer]

The pair are really closely matched Matt. Here's a link to the Mizuno iron spec comparison table. golf.mizunoeurope.com/irons-comparison-table/ For us the decision will likely come down to how some golfers will accept the fast face tech of the HMB whilst others won't. Some golfers insist the tech brings inconsistencies (not something we've really found during testing). Mizuno do talk a little about face flex with the JPX919 Forged, but essentially the face is made from the same material and in a single piece with the irons body. HMB isn't, and the selection, in part at least, of the face material (chromoly steel) comes down to its springy nature. Hope that helps.

[@mckenna1976]

Hi I really need your help I’ve just had a fitting and found two clubs I virtually hit the same which are the Mizuno 919 hot metal and the taylormade sim os both are extra stiff shaft which is a big jump from the regular I have now, which goes to show a fitting is a must with clubs as I’ve gain 20-30 yards in distance, I’m a 18 handicap in your view which is the better club for me any info would be great. Ps the Mizuno are £50 more for the 5-pw

[@todaysgolfer]

Which do you prefer? Remember the TM SIM Max OS have very strong lofts (the #7 is 27deg) so make sure you can flight shots, without dropping a ton of backspin and achieve a good shot height and descent angle so shots will stop on a green. If we can't see that in numbers we'd be inclined to look at the Mizuno's. The X flex shafts are they the KBS Max which come as standard in the TM SIM Max OS?

[@mckenna1976]

@@todaysgolfer Hi Thanks for the kind reply, I decided to go for the Mizuno 919 hot metal, I think it is the X Flex KBS shaft I just thought they were a better looking club and the feel was better. I still have to decide on a driver, 3 Wood and Hybrids 3-5, I have gone from a reg flex in the driver to a stiff shaft, I have tested the sim max driver, the Ping 410g and the Marik up to now, but I'm waiting till the demo clubs from the Mizuno range come in this week to make my mind up.

[@todaysgolfer]

@@mckenna1976 Great stuff, let us know you get on.

[@mckenna1976]

Today's Golfer will do thanks again for taking time out with the reply

[@mckenna1976]

Well I used my mizuno 919 hot irons with my new ping g410 hybrids woods and driver on Saturday for the first time and I smashed it hit every fairway with driver scored 31 points off 13 holes with a blob, off 15 handicap the lowest of my 12 year golfing career, I’m one happy person! Plus I got a 2 on par 3 so get a share of the pot🏌🏻‍♂️😄

[@codzombie1000]

I am thinking of getting me a 2 iron, and I'm not sure if I should get the Mizuno HMB or the Titleist U510, 2 completely different irons, any thoughts?

[@todaysgolfer]

We've done zero testing with the U510 Scott, so really difficult to comment. out of interest why are you thinking these two? Have you also considered the TM P790 UDI and Ping Crossover? The Srixon went through a period of being tiger most played utility on tour too.

[@codzombie1000]

@@todaysgolfer First of thank you for the quick reply! I have considered the other two but I don't think they are as forgiving as the HMB and U510, I love the look of both of them yet is the Mizuno a more standard Iron (which looks amazing) whereas the U510 is a real crossover between an iron and hybrid. I'm not playing with drivers or woods at the moment therefore I'm maybe leaning a bit more towards the U510. I'm now playing with titleist AP2 712 3-P with a S300 shaft and just love them. They have a small club head whereas the U510 is a more bulky looking one. So a tough choice. PS: Keep making the great reviews!

[@todaysgolfer]

@@codzombie1000 Sounds like you've got a decision on your hands Scott, best advice is probably to give both a shot. HMB might be a bit much as your your regular go to driving iron, especially if you don't have any woods at the moment. Good luck, let us know you get on.

[@codzombie1000]

Today's Golfer Thanj you for the advice will take it into account! Take care!

[@georgejung5429]

I play off 7 and love the TM GAPR 2 iron. Sweeeeet

[@JorgeMorales-do5pr]

Hi, I coming from g700 and I got g410 last week, what difference I can find with the hmb. Thinking to return the g410s

[@todaysgolfer]

Hi Jorge, what difference are you looking for with the HMBs?

[@AlanLJones]

For the MP20 HMB. What technology is in the 8i, 9i and PW? Thank you.

[@todaysgolfer]

The internal cavity gets smaller Alan and the toe and heel tungsten weights disappear in the 8/9/PW. The head material changes to softer 1025E in the 9 and PW (it's chromoly steel for the rest of the set). Hope that helps.

[@AlanLJones]

@@todaysgolfer Thank you

[@AlanLJones]

@@todaysgolfer Thank you

[@justinstephenson9360]

The results for the 919 Tour look odd - lot less back spin then any other iron in the MIzuno range. Not saying they are wrong, just that they jump out as looking odd. I am not a Cat 1 player, not even close, but the 919 Tour was an incredibly easy club to hit although the 5i was small enough to scare me. I am really interested in the comparison between the HMB & MMC. Looking at the results it does beg the question does the performance of the HMB making the MMC redundant? HMB launched higher, spun a little more, had a steeper descent angle yet went the same distance. The results would seem to make the HMB just a little better and more controllable than the MMC.

[@todaysgolfer]

Thanks for the comment Justin, we were a bit puzzled by the JPX919 Tour numbers too. We ran the test several times bu the outcome was similar results. Only thing that's different with the tour was the Modus shaft in our test sample, which Neil doesn't seem to be well suited too. Yes the numbers are similar for MMC and HMB but experience says there will be plenty of golfers who (rightly or wrongly) don't believe fast faced irons like the HMB deliver the consistency they need from shot to shot. Ping have a similar thing with i500 and i210, TaylorMade with M5 and P790. Essentially performance is similar but whilst some golfers will accept fast face tech (and possibly a stronger loft) brings some speed and distance benefits to their game, others will prefer what they perceive as more consistent 'traditional' cavity/construction irons. Hope that helps.

[@DavidBoentoro717]

Hi guys.. I've been playing the JPX 850 for some years now, and I've grown to hit them quite consistently well. If I'm looking to step up my iron play, which is better? The MP 20 MB or JPX 919 tour? I tried the JPX 919 forged and didn't like it.. felt like it grew in size and topline got thicker. Tried 919 tour the other day and they felt pretty good, but left no impressions to me.

[@todaysgolfer]

Thanks for the question David, the step from JPX850 or JPX850 Forged to MP-20 MB or JPX919 Tour is a sizeable one. The only true way to know is to go and hit each model for yourself, and obviously get fitted for which ever set you prefer. If you're concerned about top line size MP-20 MMC could be worth looking at, as they're just 1mm wider than the MB (which has the thinnest top edge of any recent MP iron), and you obviously get more forgiveness too.

[@DavidBoentoro717]

Thanks for the tips. Btw i forgot to mention I've been playing JPX 850 forged. Which has thinner topline than the 919 forged. Thanks guys. Great content as always

[@reyocampo33]

Can you make a close comparision between mp 20 hmb vs 919 forged. They seem to belong in the same category player distance irons. But which one is more forgiving and has a bigger/smaller profile?

[@simondaddow]

Rey Ocampo Completely understand your thinking Rey. We are just starting work on our 2019/20 forged iron review where we look pretty much at all the forged irons on the market, we'll have a look at this then. Gut feel would be HMB is seen by Mizuno as more of a fast faced distance iron, to go up against TaylorMade P790, Ping i500 and Titleist T200, where JPX 919 Forged is much more of a traditional forged cavity back. Brands seem to like to have a fast faced (often hollow body) iron in their lineup, but are well aware some golfers swear they lack consistency, hence why there's often appears to be overlap of a couple of models.

[@todaysgolfer]

@@reyocampo33 There's a good table in the link below Rey. golf.mizunoeurope.com/irons-comparison-table/ Both irons are very closely matched in terms of specs. For some though the JPX919 Forged which is created from the same steel as Mizuno's MP irons will swing them towards the Forged. Others will want fast faced tech, a hollow body construction, and even though they know the HMB isn't forged from the same steel as Mizuno's MP line, they'll be happy to play a Mizuno iron with tech built in. Just different ways of seeing an issue really and identifying what's most important to you. HMB are lovely though.

[@davesiefert1257]

Hmm is hollow body,but is it filled? Microfiber?

[@muffin0079]

Low spin numbers on the jpx 919 tour which seems strange.

[@todaysgolfer]

We were surprised too Anthony. We reckon it comes down to the Nippon Modus shaft that was in the JPX919 Tour was not being the best fit for Neil.

[@simegog]

Ime sorry but I disagree with being precise on hitting the mb I've tested the 7 iron playing off 15 and had missed stokes but still went the same distance but with 40 yards dispersion

[@todaysgolfer]

Everyone's entitled to their opinion Simon.

[@tyler7146]

40 yard dispersion with a 7?! shouldn't be playing a MB

[@georgejung5429]

Tyler agreed.

[@chriswinton]

Perfect! Thank You, guys

[@todaysgolfer]

Thanks for saying so Chris, much appreciated.

[@hughcorrigan3296]

It's not about distance. I've got 919 tour I hit 7 iron 169 -170 yards every time and tried the 919 forge 7 went 175-185 yards I would rather hit less and be consistent any day. .

[@todaysgolfer]

Thanks for the feedback Hugh, everyone's entitled to an opinion here.

[@Unplugged704]

I currently play 900 Forged and love it. Been considering combo 789P with either 919 Tour, MMC or MB for the control. Which one would be best suited with my 900 Forged? Or should I totally upgrade/combo MP 20s?

[@todaysgolfer]

Good question, but it's probably one that you can only answer yourself, as you know how much money you're happy to spend. For us, we probably wouldn't team JPX irons with a half set of MP irons, they're just different looking and the finishes don't match, but you might be happy with that look. From memory JPX900 Forged doesn't have the HD forging which 919 does, so you might be able to feel a difference going to 919 Tour. If you can afford it and want a new set of iron's the perfect solution would be looking at MP-20's and possibly going for a split set of MB and MMC? Hope that helps.

[@cheeks9596]

Nice review......

[@todaysgolfer]

Thanks for saying so Jay.

[@Unplugged704]

I wish the MMCs were like the blades and HMBs' thr full chrome finish. Just don't like its look.

[@jetdr]

Love the HMB, just not in love with the price!!

[@billybastar4022]

Amazingly 19 dislikes for this video...I wonder how many major competitors, made in China btw, there are to Mizuno? Weird🤷

[@any1younger]

Neil didn’t like not being called an ‘elite player’......ooops.

[@markfoulks8478]

I have MP-30 that I've had forever hit them pure and thinking of replacing them. What do u feel compares to them in the MP-20 series? I also hit a high ball so didn't know if that mattered? MMC or HMB?

[@todaysgolfer]

Interesting question Mark. The MP-30 are a one piece forged construction, where both the MMC and HMB are both multi-material heads which might affect your selection. If it does have you considered the new JPX921 Tour or Forged, both of which are one-piece forged? We have a comparison between the MP-20 and JPX921 Families here on our website bit.ly/2YT0zRI Hope that helps?