Which surfboard to choose? | 2023 Quiver Update Kale Brock

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Let's talk about 3 important surfboards you need in your quiver as a well rounded surfer.
Over the last few weeks I've received about 15 surfboards to put to the test (for various projects) and yet I only have space for 3 in my board bag to take overseas! Distilling them down has been a big task and I want to share the final results with you today.
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[@jordansurfs]

For me (and probably a lot of your viewers) - most of the time we surf pretty mediocre waves that require or would be well suited for a true groveler. Be cool to see you do a best groveler of 2023 video similar to the everyday shortboard and twin fins videos you did.

[@tkaufman52]

Couldn’t agree more!

[@giulio1556]

No need for a video, if you need a groveler get a firewire sweet potato. That’s it

[@jordansurfs]

@@giulio1556 probably gonna pick up the 5'2"

[@giulio1556]

@@jordansurfs you’ll never regret it

[@TidalTryston]

@@giulio1556i have one and im not a huge fan, rides to much like a longboard for me, my favorite grovler that i have is the torq summer 5

[@joewaterman5216]

Hi Kale, great topic. Thanks for sharing. For smaller waves up to shoulder high I really like the DHD Phoenix (Epoxy). For chest/shoulder high to a few feet overhead, with average shape, I ride the Pyzel Pyzalien 2 (PU). For high performance waves, really good shape, I've been on the JS Monsta 2020 (PU). It handles better in quality waves, but not as well on flat sections as the Pyzalien 2.

[@nor_easterly]

One way I think about my quiver is how much energy is needed to surf - high energy or lower energy. This is great for me because often I’m knackered from work and life and I just want to be in the water and cruise, but other times I’m up for pushing it more. Lower energy: 6’6 Christenson Osprey Two, 5’10 Haydenshapes Cannon single Higher energy: 5’9 Sharpeye Inferno 72, 5’10 Chilli Shortie Obviously they all have wave conditions that they work best in, and for sure I’ll take out a “lower energy” board when I’m feeling energetic, but it’s really helpful for me to think about boards that’s way because I know I’m going to have a great surf regardless of how I’m doing 🤙🏻

[@KalesBroccoli]

Great way to look at it!

[@jonc2037]

Looking forward to what comes of your surfboard model. Great vid as always Kale!

[@KalesBroccoli]

Thanks Jon!!

[@andrescurls29]

Hi Kale! Its interesting watching you explore the HPSB category here and in your other video. I'm in Southern California. We recently had a good swell that has left me contemplating to replace my everyday fish with an everyday thruster, for similar reasons of wanting to surf with more power (I have a performance shortboard which isn't worth taking out on average days). I don't rip anywhere near your level, nor will I surf high performance waves often, but I'm looking forward to keeping up with you on this journey and taking what I can from watching :)

[@KalesBroccoli]

Love that! I look forward to seeing where you can take it :)

[@phillipharriott8632]

Love this breakdown mate!

[@KalesBroccoli]

Glad you enjoyed!

[@timhall6380]

Incredibly well rounded approach! excellent content.

[@KalesBroccoli]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@skimbrosza]

love my 6'9. Paddles so easily and turns so well

[@mmchrisp]

I live overseas and I got a little caught up in globally branded boards tbh; you tube videos led me to buy a CI Mid, a Tomo Hydronaut (step up) a Slater Scifi 2.0 (everyday) and a Lost Uber Driver (sized down for slightly bigger day)…and I like all of them. But recently, after spending some time surfing at home and chilling at my local surf shop I’ve decided if I ever need to buy a board again (!) I’ll buy from my local shaper. High quality, local & global intel, personalised to me, and about the same price #buylocal

[@KalesBroccoli]

That’s a good sentiment :)

[@vincentkr3w]

Just some no-BS surfboard talk, love it!

[@spinafex5729]

Hey Kale. Re your mid length design journey. Check out what Jim Banks and Spider (check Safari Missile board review) are doing with the bottom contours. Basically a double concave / rounded vee with the stringer lower in the water than the rails. I made myself twin keel pin loved the feel. Makes a wider board go rail to rail very smoothly with drive and momentum once on rail.

[@KalesBroccoli]

Thank you !!

[@martin.janicek]

Hi Kale, please consider surf selection video for occasional surfers (meaning not living next to the ocean, getting to surf e.g. one to four weeks per year maximum) of beginner/intermediate level (catching clean waves and learning basics of how to navigate within them). Obviously I’m in that category and it’s kinda hard for me to find out good information about what would be the best surfboard (and my first surfboard) to buy. It seems there are two factors playing against each other. Longer mid range might be more suitable for my level but then also the bigger it is, the more complicated and expensive it is with certain airlines. I assume there must be a lot of people in the middle ground but maybe I’m wrong. Anyway, thanks for all the good content!

[@0W3NC]

this was a refreshing take, breaking down a well rounded short board focused quiver - highly agree about having a bigger shape too, doesnt always have to be an exhaustive paddle sesh

[@KalesBroccoli]

🙏🏽🤙🏽

[@JonAtack]

For surfing the local point break, my smaller wave shortboards are the Sharpeye Inferno 72 and Disco Inferno with FCS2 Pukas or Al Merrick large fins, and the good wave shortboards are a couple different sizes of Sharpeye #77 with FCS2 MF, JS or DHD large fins.

[@matthiasbernardo2621]

Hello Jon, do you chose to ride the #77 at the same height as the I72 or do you go 1-2 inches longer? And about volumes? I have a Sharpeye Cheat Code 5'4 (25,5L) (I'm 5'7 and weight 143-150 pounds) which is my groveller or daily driver but still haven't tested it enough to understands its wave height limit. I was looking to complete my quiver with a board for mid size good waves and one step up. I don't know it the Inferno 72 would have too much lower-end overlap with the Cheat Code. And the #77 seems to have lots of rocker so I don't know if it would ride well in waves that are not at least overhead or very steep.

[@JonAtack]

@@matthiasbernardo2621The Inferno 72 is a good daily driver for where I am (a point break) but isn't a groveller or for mushburgers; I find it needs 2+ feet and some push in the waves. The #77 is for when you need more control and hold for bigger turns in good quality waves where the Inferno 72 might be a little loose or more for in the pocket -- think Punta Roca / Jeffrey's Bay for the #77. Maybe go a half-inch to one inch longer than an I72. The #77+ is supposed to be a step-up model but I haven't tried it.

[@matthiasbernardo2621]

@@JonAtack thanks a lot, i bought the i72 in 5'8 (25,5L) on a great deal around 300eur almost new, no foot marks no dings no repairs. I'm actually 5'7 1/2 (171cm) so it's about my height. Then i decide if i complete the quiver with #77 or #77+. Let me know your feedback on #77+ if you try it and remember. I believe the #77+ has more volume pulled upfront (chest area) which i guess will be more similar to a pyzel ghost bue with more rocker maybe.

[@JonAtack]

@@matthiasbernardo2621sounds like a good deal. As soon as you feel the need for more control/hold than the I72 and more raked fins aren't enough, and for doing big carves or power surfing on good waves (like point breaks), I think the #77 is a great board, and it wants/can handle conditions with good size (overhead to double overhead etc). It's a board for the good days, while the I72 is more every day.

[@matthiasbernardo2621]

@@JonAtack thanks a lot for your input. Really helped on the decision as my main concern was the overlaping with the Cheat Code. But i believe both will work best in totally different conditions. Looking forward to have both and explore them in all conditions and playing with fins as well (i have Pyzel M, AM2 M and MF M, just will by reactors as well and i believe i'll cover lots of conditions). Much more than double overhead i don't think i surf so i'll decide later the size od my #77 or #77+, i think 5'9 or even 5'10 should be fine.

[@jblo76]

Great video, Kale. I have a travel quiver question for you regarding an upcoming trip to Indo (Mentawais specifically). My plan is to take my 3DV DHD as my high performance sb, a semi step-up performance sb that’s similar to DHD’s Sweet Spot if the waves get extra big, and a midlength twin similar to your signature board and that triple stringer you show in this video. But now I’m wondering if I should take my daily driver small wave sb (pretty grovely) that I mainly use at my home break instead of the midlength twin if swell happens to drop under waist high while in the Ments. I can only take 3 boards. Thoughts?

[@MarkBaldone]

@kalebrock quick question, when it feels too fast to stand up on my drop in, does that I mean that I'm taking off late and not angling? I ride a 7ft fun board but I feel like I have no stability sometimes when taking off, like it is too fast for me to be able to stand up on. Ordered a 6'4 Gremlin from pyzel so hopefully that helps with the stability problem

[@milkyway2581]

Hey kale! I’ve been surfing on a 7’ long 22inch wide foam board for just under a year now and am wanting to progress to a fibre glass. Have you got any types of boards I should look for?

[@Awd1182]

Hey mate, I’m thinking about ordering a FT quad as you have given it such a good wrap! I was wondering what fins and what size you are running in the futures and why you prefer over the h4s

[@iamthedaneman]

What about surfboard length vs height? Particularly for your every day boards, 5,9 seems a bit long for your height where most people size these at their height or shorter?

[@spinafex5729]

Need to see the stay at home quiver.

[@filipevicente774]

Hi. Do you prefer the H4 or the Rasta Quad in the Inferno FT??? Thanks

[@sirwuds]

hey bro love the content! curious what fins you rec for the schooner? gonna grab as a good wave board here in bali

[@mattymartyn]

Hi Kale, Been following your channel for awhile and also a member of the surfer’s road map. I congrats on another great video. Any chance we can get some more details on the other two boards next to the Felipe board?

[@KalesBroccoli]

Thanks mate!! No sorry those are being kept behind closed doors for now

[@mikeuptegrove]

I always pick the wrong board and fins for the day anyways. Lol I just should stay on my seaside, it rips all conditions. I’ve been screwing around on the mashup trying to like it. Can’t do mids. Got a 6’8, and though the slow measured ride is fun to fine tune, the take offs bore me, it’s like freaking longboarding again. Not my thing.

[@raykhahne]

Thx

[@ginjaturtles]

Great vid Kale, would love to see you come to San Diego sometime and you could make a stop by the sharpeye HQ! I surf mushy reef waves. So most days I surf a twinnie red baron fish from JS, or a 7 6 egg funboard if its really bad. Then when the waves turn on I have a performance mid length with a twin+trailer that is super fun for drawn out lines or I have a squash tail thruster I always had a hard time with "everyday shortboards" and felt like it was a weird in between and I'd rather be on something grovely like a twinnie fish and then a squash tail thruster if the waves are actually pumping

[@KalesBroccoli]

Hope to come soon!

[@KalesBroccoli]

Sick!

[@Surf03]

Do you have a video on fins. Fin shapes and size , placement along with why and wave sections. Ty

[@KalesBroccoli]

Coming soon!

[@marcuswjacobs]

The twin mid length looks sick Are you working on the shape yourself?

[@Surf_Salt]

Great video Kale, What fin models and size do you ride in quad, twin and thruster? Is your 6'5 signature board going to be available for purchase when you get it dialed?

[@KalesBroccoli]

Doing a deep dive on fins soon :) Yes of course! Just not sure how long

[@rallnaude642]

I have the Inferno 72 awesome board, but keen to understand from anyone that have the Inferno FT if they like it better? Can the Inferno FT surf the same waves as the 72?

[@luclamouliatte9582]

Hello Kale, thanks for your videos and your channel. I own the inferno FT but i am not a huge fan of FCS H4, except when waves are just perfect. If I want to make my Inferno FT an everyday i feel that i need others fins for my surfing. What king of advice do you have ? and what futures fins are you using now on you inferno FT ? thanks for your answer. Congratulations for your surfing and all the rest...

[@KalesBroccoli]

Thank you mate! I am using the Rasta quads at the moment and will be doing a deep dive into the Futures ecosystem in a video soon! I really want to break down fins in depth for you!

[@luclamouliatte9582]

@@KalesBroccoli thanks man!!! it could be so interresting!!! how do you prefer you inferno ft with rasta quad or h4 ? to me your surfing on your white FT in nicargua is incredible, so fast and loose

[@maxwellvandijk3483]

Hey kale, would really appreciate if you could dip into the lib tech boards. Especially the rocket redux and the quiver killer.

[@richscoza4362]

I'd like to understand how to size an everyday shortboard. I don't own a thruster for this reason. Mostly terrible waves here in New Jersey (U.S.). Use a groveler/ mini Simmons esque board most of the time. It's funny though, every time I go on to the Album or other websites for alternative boards there is always a comment in the description that says 3-5 more liters/ short + thicker than your everyday shortboard🤷‍♂. I really love twins so it doesn't bother too much, but just wanted to know. I love your content and can't wait to see more of it. Trying my hardest to hit up one of your retreats one day. In the meantime keep killing it out there Kale! Yeww! 🤙

[@jjohn56]

Usually your shortboard is about your height or a couple of inches taller. But a big factor is your weight also. What is your height and weight?

[@richscoza4362]

@@jjohn56 5’6/ 158 lbs

[@KalesBroccoli]

Thank you mate!! I hope to have more soon

[@andrescurls29]

@@jjohn56 I would agree, my shortboard is +1inch my height

[@steveno6844]

when are you coming to california? and when you do come would you be open to a meet/surf sesh with students?

[@KalesBroccoli]

Will post an opportunity to hang out in Malibu ! Maybe best to join me on Instagram :)

[@jimmypurchas4140]

Hey Kale, Great video, I'm young and an intermediate, but my problem is money. It's hard for me to get 3 boards yet along 1, so I was wondering want board you would recommend for 1-4 feet. My thoughts was the JS Xero?

[@KalesBroccoli]

Hmmm yeah or the sharpeye

[@wmn8344]

Can a front pad be just as efficient than wax ? Thanks !

[@KalesBroccoli]

Sure

[@1bullshittt39]

which courier do you use to post surfboards around world? live in norway and would be great buying used boards from australia,england,US etc(to expensive buying new boards...😵)

[@KalesBroccoli]

I haven’t done much shipping of surfboards :)

[@adhutchison]

What would you surf in very small surf? Like maybe 2ft?

[@KalesBroccoli]

Waist high I’d say is very small

[@carloslukather6658]

Pyzel gremlin is very good

[@christophercunliffe7346]

So would you take a performance mid length to say the banyaks, indonesia?

[@KalesBroccoli]

Sure :)

[@tinman8888]

Mate what was the middy on the right hand side (when facing them)?

[@KalesBroccoli]

That’s my signature mid! Out soon

[@OspreyVision]

Interesting, you talked about length, but never mentioned volume. Volume used to be the catch word for describing different types of boards for different conditions. Where does volume, liters, come into play with your analysis?

[@bsmbB]

Have you tried a pyzel ghost in solid 6-10 ft? I'm getting back in to surfing and trying find a good board I don't wanna spend $900 on a crap board lmao. I'm sure it's a great board but I'd like to see a review from someone who's not a pyzel rider or riding small waves with a board not made for small waves

[@KalesBroccoli]

No sorry !

[@terenceingram7786]

Distilling a quiver into 3 boards for travel is interesting ... - CI Rocketwide Spintek which gives low end grovel but with a fin change up handles to overhead - JS Raging Bull works in everything from chest or head high upwards - Stacey Ohllson Twin (mid length) which does knee high to as big as i would be prepared to surf. Truly amazing board.

[@UziMusic]

Raging bull the occy board with a bit extra vol right?

[@terenceingram7786]

@@UziMusic yes it's the Occy model. The Schooner that is mentioned in the video is kinda a Raging Bull mixed with a Monsta. The Raging Bull is a great board.

[@UziMusic]

@@terenceingram7786 yeah rad keen to try one, got blak boxes and monsta8, js mak sick boards

[@jonahhex9620]

This evaluation seems improved compared to 2021

[@theBamboozleRoom]

Never seen you surf better than on that schooner 🍺

[@KalesBroccoli]

Thanks 🙏🏽

[@iampetrunin]

3:14 is it a crocodile?

[@arrzfr]

Highly eclectic and fitted to a high performance short boarder, probably won‘t easily translate to other people. Tons of guys and gals surf a fish or an egg 90% of their sessions.

[@KalesBroccoli]

Performance mid length does better than most boards for “other people”

[@dannya.4325]

Kale do you still surf your Albums?

[@mattymartyn]

I was just thinking the same.

[@Slickjim91]

I think he’s mid length is from album

[@KalesBroccoli]

No got rid of them all :)

[@Slickjim91]

@@KalesBroccoli Album no good mate?

[@eduportelamusic]

Some break up it seems, Hun !?

[@MrJeanelgato]

Kaaaaaale legend

[@robgiles9992]

No Album Twinsman😢

[@rolandodelacruz4144]

Why have you stopped posting surf skating drills?

[@KalesBroccoli]

We have more planned on that front eventually in the meantime check out our surf skate course on thesurfersroadmap.com

[@JacksonPlumpton]

Can we have some surfing tutorials again?

[@KalesBroccoli]

Season for everything

[@yl7679]

That’s basically my quiver. A performance groveler which I use the most for waves 2-4ft. Then good wave round tail board for solid waves 5ft up with power (ie not big fat mush). Then a mid for days when I’m tired 😊. I’ve never rly surfed waves more than 7ft though bc I get scared and where I live breaks don’t hold size too well so anything 6ft and up can often be close outs or slabs or even thickish fast almond barrels which I’m not confident in at all so never been barreled either 😢

[@KalesBroccoli]

You might have to come to Nicaragua with me for that barrel

[@rctrix9063]

Surfboard brands are like Marvel studios. They sell fantasies. There is a reason you don't get to test ride surfboards. You will keep buying boards looking for the magic board.😂

[@rufushenk8703]

Leaning the surfboards against the tv i am in pain

[@misterbretzel]

Hello Mr Brock, if you are 175cm tall I think you are 5'9" in the imperial system, not 5'7".

[@KalesBroccoli]

Correct. Mistype

[@jameskemp4508]

Hi Kale, I think you have your height out a little... 175cm is more like 5' 9"...?

[@KalesBroccoli]

Yep sorry mistyped

[@AJ-xi4hb]

5'7 is 170 cm. how tall are you??

[@KalesBroccoli]

I’m 175cm - 5’9 This has been corrected

[@richardewels6280]

If you could only take one board would taking a selection of fins and setups make the board more versatile or boa rds only made to work with certain fin setups. Asking for a cheap arse friend who only wants to travel with one board. A 5'4" ECS bulldog.

[@KalesBroccoli]

Fins change a board dramatically !

[@SuperBigben8]

For your info, 175cm would be 5'9 not 5'7.

[@chancemiller9340]

175cm is almost exactly 5' 9" NOT 5' 7" 2.54 cm = 1 inch

[@KalesBroccoli]

I mistyped i think

[@messono]

Kale, are you 5´9 or 5`7? 5`7 is 170cm.

[@xWaxxy]

Doesn’t work that way. For years I thought I was 5.9, because 178cm converted using a calculator is 5.9, but in fact in imperial it means I’m 5.10

[@brieuctribouillet7147]

@@xWaxxy I'm so confused, I though I was 5.9 (I'm 175cm) 1 foot = 30.48 cm 1 inch = 2.54 cm Given: 175 cm First, let's find out how many feet: 175 cm ÷ 30.48 cm/foot = 5.738 feet Now, take the decimal part of the feet (0.738) and convert it to inches: 0.738 feet × 12 inches/foot = 8.856 inches This can be approximated to 8.9 inches. So, 175 cm is approximately 5 feet 8.9 inches

[@xWaxxy]

@@brieuctribouillet7147 I made a mistake when I originally tried to work out WTF I am in feet and inches. I converted "177CM" into feet, which gave me 5.807. I interpreted that as being 5 feet and 8 inches, which is incorrect. We all can agree that imperial sucks donkey dick, and fuck everyone who sticks to archaic measurements.

[@KalesBroccoli]

175cm

[@ravingmad765]

Look, whatever one it is, it's a height where the thought of having to climb on to a barstool induces anxiety.

[@marccruickshank]

A performance shortboard in 1 foot is literally never a good time.

[@kimhunter1169]

175cm is not 5'7".

[@KalesBroccoli]

Yep 5’9 - typo

[@keshavareciuga4788]

you have way to many boards bro

[@paleale8400]

mate, i love ur content but lower on the weed 😂

[@travj25]

My quiver consists of a groveler, daily driver short board, high performance short board, and a good wave short board. My favorite of those to ride is my daily driver Pyzalien 2. A lot of the times I bring out my groveler I start to wish I had my daily driver cause when a good set comes I have trouble making drops on such a flat board despite it being a 5’5”. My high performance has so much rocker that it’s just difficult to get going at times. And the daily driver solves both those problems. So that’s sort of my thinking right now. I rarely get good waves but when I travel I ride a ghost and it’s an amazing and very fun board. I went a little high on liters but it’s ok cause I can get into waves just a little bit quicker.