Which Teams Should The Big Ten Add? | Big Ten Football 2024

On this cut of Touchdown Talk with College Football with Sam, @BIG10_Quicktalk and I discuss our thoughts on the eventual expansion of the Big Ten conference. Which teams should the Big Ten add? We think Florida State is an absolute no-brainer, along with their ACC rival the Miami Hurricanes. Both Florida State Football and Miami Football are rich with resources, recruiting pipelines, and an upward trajectory related to on-field success. Utah Football and Clemson Football are other successful programs that would fit well. There is always Notre Dame, too, but if they wanted to join they probably would have struck a deal already. We talk about all of this and more in this episode of College Football with Sam. Make sure to comment so I can interact with you and answer any questions you have!
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[@johnlynch9032]

Screw the big greedy.

[@joshuanazworth-vy5mt]

Can I put my two cents in this I my opinion was that Miami is going to go to the big 12 that's when I'm here and I heard the Miami hurricanes are going to the big 12 Florida states going to the along with the I heard Virginia now I know a lot of people going to say why Virginia will follow Florida State state I don't even know that answer but that's what I'm hearing .? @collegefootballwithsam

[@briggsofdisaster]

See you soon Notre Dame! I am inevitable. Sincerely, The Big Ten

[@DeRochette]

Utah's DC Morgan Scaley is the presumed defacto replacement coach when coach Whitt retires. He's been with Coach Whitt forever and he'll continue the consistency.

[@noahlewis6776]

In Scaley and Whit we trust

[@TheLAGopher]

The SEC dominated college football for many years by being a mini NFL. Academic standards were not enforced and winning football games was the priority over education.

[@antw9770]

The premier program in the Big 10 had players coming out saying they didn’t come to play school. Strong academic standards up there

[@adamb6370]

This was a joke when you said it on the other vids and it just as false here. The BIG/SEC schools act the same. They are equal academically at the top. But let’s pretend for a moment you are correct, BIG is targeting FSU…they personify the model you are complaining about. So apparently the BIG embraces that idea.

[@Arkbuck]

@@antw9770it was one player that tweeted “he didn’t come there to play school”. That player ended up graduating. I’m not disagreeing with your overall statement, but you need to get your facts straight.

[@claytongardinier5179]

Notre Dame currently receives 17 million from the ACC and approximately 50 million from NBC. If the ACC implodes and puts that 17m in jeopardy and they have no path to make it up then, and I think only then, will they consider joining a conference. Also, going forward, if they can't keep up with the Big 10 and SEC in that base 50m, then they will also consider joining a conference. There are schools who will always want to play ND, independent or not.

[@collegefootballwithsam]

That puts Notre Dame at about the same earning power as Big Ten and SEC schools. I think you are correct, they won't join a conference unless the ACC implodes AND they cannot compete with the SEC and Big Ten in terms of revenue.

[@tarheel7406]

Look at actual events for some inside perspective. ND's strategy is clearly to keep ACC depletion lite, the ACC relevant, and ND football indy. ND is now even more entangled with the ACC. ND pushed for CAL+2 knowing that would likely result in the loss of UNC, CLEMSON & FSU. Near 100% certainty that ND had to provide assurances of staying to get that +3 approved.

[@tomsmithdeal775]

@@tarheel7406UNC isn’t going anywhere. The college football landscape has changed dramatically in the past decade. CFB is THE king of the jungle now and that changes a lot of equations relative to the value that a particular school would bring to another conference. Viewership is the new currency of CFB. Eyeballs = Money, no eyeballs, no money. UNC is one of those “famous” brands that, while well known, don’t have any actual financial value. Nobody watches them play football and neither ESPN nor Fox would pay for them to be in a P2.

[@tarheel7406]

@@tomsmithdeal775 UNC is the top expansion target of interest to both the SEC and B1G. For this P2 consolidation, the question is the expected holistic and relative value within the future ~48 team P2. The problem for FSU fans and others is not recognizing peers and betters. There's a reason why UNC has been pursued many times by both the SEC/B1G and why it effectively has standing invites. UNC most likely confirmed contingent invites from both the SEC and B1G soon after the TX/OK news, which explains its more considered public reaction to this realignment. It's far more secure than any other ACC member. There are few basketball programs that can move the needle. UNC is one and its brand is so iconic that it's recognized by the colors alone. FSU is the uncultured man who thinks an expensive new truck will yield quality action. The ladies with choices want and can get more than that.

[@b.d.ericksonii203]

With the addition of Washington, Oregon, USC and UCLA I think those four are equal to or slightly greater than Oklahoma and Texas to the SEC. Adding FSU and Miami will add huge value. ND being in Indiana, geographically belongs in the B1G and has rivalry’s with Ohio State, Michigan and USC.

[@oliversoto8370]

Totally agree Miami is the better choice than Clemson. Miami was the better football program through the 80s 90s and early 2000s. 5 Titles compared to 3. Also Clemson wasn't relevant until 2015 . You have to go back to 81 for their 1st title. Miami has been irrelevant for the past 20 yrs and are still considered better than Clemson

[@Jralford8]

In what world is the Big 12 better than the ACC?

[@jcfilms4433]

Only in a world where Clemson and FSU are not part of the ACC

[@tarheel7406]

@@jcfilms4433 If the ACC "just" lost CLEMSON & FSU (it won't), that ACC still remains far better than the new BIG12.

[@gabeswitala2292]

Its aready in its twlight, once the big ten gets a foothold in Florida the SECs day of dominance will be over.

[@patrickrushing8629]

Facts i said this also

[@tarheel7406]

FSU will wither on a B1G island. MIAMI should fare better. The SEC would eagerly cede FSU and/or MIAMI for higher priorities.

[@gabeswitala2292]

@@tarheel7406 I can't immagine any higher priorities for the than keeping the big ten out of their yard.

[@tarheel7406]

@@gabeswitala2292 Not if that B1G expansion is neutered and materially lessens FSU's ability to compete. Again, MIAMI should fare better, but it's different since a private school. Think the island-hopping campaign during WWII.

[@adamb6370]

This is funny, and by someone who doesn’t know anything about Florida. Outside of retired Midwest grandpa in the Villages. No one in Florida cares about football in the Midwest or the west coast. FSU is only hit for the BIG because last summer they were rejected by the SEC.

[@nolessgifted6333]

You do know that the t.v money isn’t infinite. Big10 teams will have to take a pay cut. I’m pretty sure no team in the Big 10 wants to did that.

[@otisjohnjr.3023]

You do understand the TV revenue contract has considered other programs coming into the B1G. There's 3 billion dollars left on the table if the correct programs join.

[@tarheel7406]

The B1G has larger and increasingly compelling concerns other than athletic revenue.

[@otisjohnjr.3023]

@tarheel7406 yeah what's that?

[@otisjohnjr.3023]

@tarheel7406 I know they'll have to decide which teams they want after the ACC goes defunct. Between the SEC, which the revenue is limited, and the B1G, many of the ACC teams won't be included.

[@tarheel7406]

@@otisjohnjr.3023 "yeah what's that?" Demo trends. The core B1G has a stagnant and aging population. Investing heavily in the declining west coast market (for college football) won't help too much. 'after the ACC goes defunct" Why would the ACC go defunct? "Between the SEC, which the revenue is limited, and the B1G, many of the ACC teams won't be included." a) The B1G has reached its highwater mark while the SEC continues to wax on al fronts. b) If "many" ACC teams won't be included, then it should survive as a Tier 2 with the BIG12. I will say that from what I could tell, MICH seems to have maintained its academic metrics, but undergrad enrollment has been flat. IOWA and PSU have already declined. This al assuming the data I found was accurate.

[@jamiethornton6101]

SEC is interested in adding basketball schools. UNC, Virginia, Kansas, Duke. Now Clemson seems to be a solid lock for the SEC, but it's why Sankey has been talkikng so much basketball. NIL is a game changer for basketball and the tournament made over a billion dollars this year. Another reason Sankey wants to expand it.

[@MrZzyzxx]

Florida State, Miami, North Carolina, and Notre Dame .................. all for recruiting oomph

[@vistatiger7493]

What Florida born and bred player in their right mind is going to want to go to a snow belt - cold mid western school? Not many IMO. They are going to SEC schools.

[@MrZzyzxx]

@@vistatiger7493 Nebraska has 4 players on current roster and 3 in early class of '25 --- that is in addition to 6 now and 4 more in '25 from Texas..................indoor facilities and player development is the answer

[@scrappinwolf220]

​@vistatiger7493 What makes you think they are all born in Florida??? 😂😂And, who really cares anyways, since the Big Ten is the best conference.

[@rynebozzell]

Hey guys. SEC fan here. Just found your channel. Great show. Great content. I’ll definitely come back and watch more.

[@BIG10_Quicktalk]

Appreciate it!

[@TheMRK1980]

Ultimately it's going to be two super conferences. B1G and SEC

[@dionpryor369]

🤢🤢🤮🤮🤮

[@tysonas1]

B1G needs a Super Conference of 24-25 teams in either 6-4 team divisions or 5-5 team; the playoffs would be the Division winners plus the next 2 or 3 for a 8 team field. A quarter then semi and a Championship. The quarter at the top division winners, then a final four at two cities and then a Championship at another city.

[@troywest7045]

I was under the impression school Presidents voted on expansion, not the commissioner. That could make a big difference, since i don't think the school Presidents would be as receptive to certain schools as a commissioner might be. It will also be interesting to see what the expansion schools are offered as far as shares till the next media deal.

[@josephross7936]

Why does everyone rag on Boston College? Its the market you want. How can you defend Rutger in the Big Ten, if its only the NY market

[@funny2thag]

NY is the largest market in the country and only LA is legitimately comparable. To be fair I don’t know who is really watching Rutgers in that market anyway.

[@josephcernansky1794]

Rutgers and Maryland were NOT invited to the Big 10 for "market"!!! THAT is just STUPID SHIT TALK from STUPID SHIT Sports Commentators that regurgitated STUPID SHIT TALK from STUPID SHIT Posters on You Tube!! LOL The TV market in NYC; Philadelphia; and Baltimore/DC was dominated by Penn State for the past several decades! Ever since the Supreme Court case slapping the NCAA down and allowing TV media companies and Conferences and universities to broadcast as many games as they want WITHOUT CONTROL from the NCAA!!........Rutgers and Maryland were brought onboard the Big 10 to provide some "East Coast" "rivals" for Penn State.....so they would RE-sign the 20-year contract they had with the Big 10. Because there are MORE Penn State alumni in each individual ACC states or Texas, or California, or the Original footprint of the SEC than there is in the ENTIRE BIG 10 FOOTPRINT!! Penn State was and will ALWAYS be an East Coast/ Mid-Atlantic School!! It's WHY they want to the strip ALL the GOOD programs/schools from the ACC to create an East Coast (Atlantic Coast) Division within the auspices of The (National) B1G LEAGUE! (Not counting PA, there are around 300,000(maybe more) Penn State alumni from Boston to Miami.....about 35,000 in the (original) Big 10 footprint)...... The ACC F'd UP BIG TIME when they rejected Penn State in the mid-80's because they said Penn State was NOT a "basketball school" and the ACC "WAS a Basketball Centric Conference". Imagine PSU, FSU, Miami, VA Tech from the 80's thru, 90's, thru the 00's??!?! Count all the National Championships the ACC could be claiming? Then include the resurgence of Clemson in the 10's/20's?! (big 10, WHO???) BTW....the #2 brand in NYC/Philly/Baltimore/DC is Notre Dame!!

[@karl9400]

How is Big 12 better than the ACC? How many national championships do the remaining Big 12 members have in the last 25 years?

[@shallojalloh]

Exactly...these guys are COMPLETELY lost with that comment.

[@Drumwolf62]

The Big 10 is only two teams Michigan and Ohio State

[@Drumwolf62]

Every year a different team can win the Big 12. It is much more balanced.

[@collegefootballwithsam]

We were talking specifically for this year and moving forward. In the past 10 years the ACC is obviously better. The Big 12 right now has several quality programs but not dominant program. The ACC, again right now, has a handful of programs who could be powerhouses, but right now are performing at either quality level (Clemson), a great level (Florida State), or a below-average level (Miami). Everyone else in the ACC except for Louisville is performing at a below-average level or worse. In terms of average team strength, I would say the Big 12 edges out the ACC.

[@shallojalloh]

@collegefootballwithsam | bro...NCst has won 8-9 games for 7-8 seasons straight. Louisville..UNC and Duke are all above 90% of the new B12. What are u talking about? Lol lol - 1/4 of the B12 are G5 teams (BYU Cincy UCF UH) - CU ASU & Zona have been in the worst 10 programs in the P5 over the past decade (I know I'm a CU fan) - Baylor and WVU each has 1 winning season in thr last 4 years. Both coaches are are on the hot seat with fan bases wanting them gone. - TxTexh literally only have 1 seasonin the last 10 season s of at least 8 wins - KState OKst & and newly joined Utah are solid,decent top 25 caliber teams. - That's 3 outta 16 teams That's even close to being above avg. Just be Hindu with hr viewers and admit u doing watch ACC or B12 football. That's the only logic I have for your insane comment about ACC football. I say all is this with respect. This is not criticism but rather an honest and factual critique. So with that ass you will.

[@EzraLaw234]

Go Utes

[@briantusing4741]

Florida st, Miami, notre dame, Stanford, North Carolina and Virginia

[@Canes-kh5bq]

You think the acc as a hole is weaker than the big12?

[@dionpryor369]

Hopefully we don't take any more. Teams were more visible in much smaller conferences..now after the top 6 nobody will utter your teams name. And if you're 12 thru 18 you must fire your coach and become desperate or risk getting kicked out .

[@tarheel7406]

Word is that UVA has snubbed the SEC (again), which could mean available to B1G if it can split from VATECH. UNC is now wisely and heavily leaning SEC, so will reject (again) the B1G. Every single new BIG12 member has been willing and able to accept an invite from the B1G, ACC & SEC, but all have been rejected after direct contact or after internal consideration one or more times since the TX/OK news. Bubble teams (at best) if the SEC/B1G are going to ~24 each.

[@nucleusdecay5537]

I'd take FL ST., NOTRE DAME, MIAMI, and GEORGIA TECH.

[@eddiemenke9573]

Agree with 3/4, GA tech is too inconsistent and doesn't devote the necessary needs to make their football program elite

[@nucleusdecay5537]

Yeah, they won't ever be that guy. It's the Atlanta market, and we can probably get them at a reduced rate. I also think we need another regional team.

[@tarheel7406]

@@nucleusdecay5537 It's the "reduced rate" stuff that makes the B1G less appealing to me. Why add a school that is expected to return value now or in the foreseeable future, yet handicap its ability to succeed at the start? Has the SEC ever evaluated expansion that way?

[@nucleusdecay5537]

@@tarheel7406 I'm not a big fan of what's going on. But we can't put it back in the bottle.

[@tarheel7406]

@@nucleusdecay5537 Don't understand why being a fan or not of this P2 consolidation is relevant to my earlier comment. A "reduced share" just reinforces my view that the B1G sees expansion as a charity. Like it or not, this will be the last major realignment. The last of the schools outside of the SEC/B1G that will maximize the value of a closed ~48-team Tier 1 (whether by historical success, synergies, location, etc.) are being consolidated. The effect of closing and separating from the rest will result in a huge transfer of value from those on the outside to those inside. A "reduced share" for any school that can make that selective cut doesn't make sense to me.

[@strangedays871]

So you don't want the team that has pretty much dominated the ACC for almost a decade, but you want Miami who hasn't even been relevant in the ACC? LOL It's not the 90's anymore guys.

[@TheLAGopher]

The B1G isn’t looking back to the 90s. They are looking at market size and growth potential. The B1G would rather send its schools into South Florida on a Saturday night then into South Carolina.

[@jcfilms4433]

@@TheLAGopherabsolutely laughable considering Clemson’s ratings dwarfs Miami. Clemson is the number one team in Charlotte and Greenville. Clemson gets fans and viewers no matter how bad they play.

[@tarheel7406]

It's about the expected holistic and relative value in each P2 within a future closed ~48 team Tier 1. One can't just look at where a school stands in the dying P5 and move it around assuming no effect from the changes.

[@seminoldschool7032]

😂😂the sec wasn’t even considered a top3 conference (the ACC was considered the first or second best conference in any given year from around 1990 until about 2010, which I agree is absolutely INSANE to look back at now) prior to 2006, when espn purchased them & started pushing a (then) false narrative in the hopes that people would behave as mindless sheep & buy into their ridiculous claims…and I sadly it looks like people were indeed mindless enough to allow 150+ years of CFB history to completely rewritten by 3 entertainment executives & one stupid slogan🤦🏻‍♂️😂

[@BrownsBacker]

Notre Dame will be forced to join a conference when/if the ACC implodes. They are an ACC member except for football. Plus, their main historical rivals they play every year are Michigan, Michigan St, and USC...all in the Big Ten now.. So, in a few years, they will go to the Big Ten.

[@ChefMaal7]

You guys earned my subscription.

[@BIG10_Quicktalk]

Thx 😁

[@Bbbmurr]

The new landscape will be the bigten sec will be the new power 5 and acc and big12 will be the new group of 5

[@tarheel7406]

Tier 1 through 3.

[@lpslover8627]

I'm afraid the B1G is going to do something silly like add Boston College for the Boston/New England TV market and GA Tech for Atlanta.

[@davidbrown386]

I think FSU and Miami will be schools 19 and 20 on the way to 24. Utah will be 21 ( the fast growing Salt Lake City TV market is another). Who are the final 3? ND? A Texas school ( most likely TCU. Of course if A&M wants to divorce themselves from the Longhorns, they would be a priority)? ASU for the Phoenix TV market and hockey? Stanford? Those are the most likely options.

[@aarontracy5160]

Probably more Arizona fans in Phoenix than ASU. Sun Devils have been hot garbage in both Football and basketball. Arizona has Basketball tradition and it looks like the football team is finally competitive. I do like your other salient you referenced. It would be quite humorous if A&M left Texas and the SEC for the Big 10

[@ericlofroos2405]

Miami’s stadium is in Coral Gables, which is about a 45 minute to an hour plus drive away from their campus. The only game they sell out is when FSU comes to town. If the Big Ten wants a football centered team from the ACC they should pick FSU and Clemson, or FSU and Virginia Tech. All three fan bases have diehard fan bases, and have a huge market.

[@Duchydog]

Agree except Miami ( campus) is in Coral Gables not the stadium. The stadium is many miles away and is shared with the Miami Dolphins

[@josephcernansky1794]

Do you have any idea of the DRIVE TIME from UCLA campus to THEIR football stadium....The Rose Bowl?!?!?! Do you also have any idea of the TV Viewership of UCLA versus Miami?!!! Here's a hint...It's a WASH!!! and BTW....the revenue generated in 2022 (I don't have the numbers yet for 23) Rutgers earned MORE $$$ than UCLA!! This isn't considering even the Media payouts....just "branding" sales!! UCLA ranks #18 while Rutgers ranks #17 in The B1G......Miami is way more than that. And USC's (#11) is ONLY slightly more than Maryland and less than Minnesota!! FSU's numbers would be #6 or #7 in The B1G, behind, anOSU, UM, OSU, Wisconsin, Nebraska, Oregon. I am sure if or WHEN they join The B1G they will explode in branding value and their own "branding" revenue. It happened to Rutgers and Maryland as well when they joined The B1G. MEMBERSHIP has its BENEFITS! And VA Tech has a slightly HIGHER TV Viewership than UNC...and WAY MORE than UVA. Clemson #11; FSU #14; Miami #26; Stanford #33; VA Tech #39; UNC #40

[@nathaniellathy6559]

Why not make it a 60 team Conference? 😂😅

[@tarheel7406]

There now is no feasible path to a peer P3. That possibility ended when the ACC failed to get a new, current market media deal. The final ~48 team Tier 1 could realign into 3 or 4 conferences.

[@josephcernansky1794]

2 LEAGUES with "regionality" built into their LEAGUES that play their OWN PLAYOFF then the LEAGUE Champions playing in the CFB "Superbowl"

[@tarheel7406]

@@josephcernansky1794 Been saying since ~Day 2 of this story that the Tier 1 will consolidate deep/wide enough to maintain national interest and legitimacy. Afte the TX/OK news, only the ACC has a feasible (yet unlikely) chance at surviving for a peer P3. That likely would have been ~18 members each, or ~54 total. If a peer P2, then ~24 members each, or ~48 total. When the ACC switched to managing a decline and added CAL+2 ~and~ FSU started the litigation, a future ~48 team P2 Tier 1 became certain and things started to progress. This is why the SEC/B1G started playing hardball with the CFP. As things stand, the SEC and B1G are fighting over the top ACC schools. How they scatter will determine where the 2nd Tier ACC schools go and where ~and~ who the +1 filler will be and where they land.

[@briggsofdisaster]

To the B1G to get to 24. Notre Dame Stanford FSU UNC UVA Miami

[@tarheel7406]

Please no. From the UNC perspective, okay but not optimum.

[@briggsofdisaster]

@@tarheel7406 Is the SEC better? I know it might be from a fans perspective, but they align with the B1G in so many other ways. Honestly, I could see them going either way.

[@tarheel7406]

​@@briggsofdisaster For the longest time, I considered MARYLAND as a recovered rival so the minimum would be UVA and a Florida school (preferably FSU). Now... I find that MARYLAND reeks of apathy in the B1G, FSU has revealed its poison, and ND isn't really an attraction overall. The SEC is simply waxing across all fronts, plenty of natural rivals, will likely add more from the ACC. It would take the B1G taking a much larger ACC bloc to match the SEC as a landing.

[@stephenbahrmarbles]

Notre Dame is smack dab in the middle of BIG10 county, 5 area campuses are a bus ride away

[@gabeswitala2292]

You don't get to have it both ways. For decades now I've head so much belly aching about the "need" for a consensus cfb NC. Now you got it all yall do is be itch about the loss of tradition in the game. It's like watching a bunch of 6 YO or liberals who are incapable of thinking about the consequences beyond their actions.

[@ronaldmiller4429]

FSU, Stanford, ND, GT,

[@shallojalloh]

You lost me at the ACC being the weakest P4 conference. ACC has the 2nd most football championships over the past decade. ACC leads all P4 conferences in mens basketball championhsips over that same period. How does that make the ACC the "weakest" P4 conference? What has the B12 done thats superior than the ACC?

[@Rmn_ski]

All those championships and the ACC is going to fall apart like the conference of champions (Pac12) did once their marquee programs left.

[@shallojalloh]

@Rmn_ski | no win cares bout the ACC my guy. All I know is my team is a P2 team and the B12 is a G7 poverty conference lol lol

[@tarheel7406]

For some reason, many B1G supporters defend the new BIG12 when it's clearly the worst P4 (by far) across the board.

[@Rmn_ski]

No one cares about the acc but you defended the acc in your original post. The ACC is A Crumbling Conference my guy.

[@shallojalloh]

@Rmn_ski | my interest in the ACC is which team will me Buckeyes have to face. Looking at the 2 conferences. Tht ACC by far is better.. in thr BCS n CFP era, the ACC has preformed much better. My count has the ACC with 3 chips on tht last 15 years.. and 0 for the B12. In men's basketball the ACC has 5 to tht B12s 3. The ACC has higher tv viewership in both football and men's basketball as well. During this same 15 ur period, tht ACC has more chips in men's and women's soccer. The icky sport what both conferences compete in and the B12 is, better is softball. But with OU leaving for the SEC, that's not even a rosy outlook. Those are the facts my guy. We sing want ante B12 poverty teams. Waco, Lubbock houston Morgantown Manhattan KS.. just YUCK. NO THANKS

[@shawnandrews329]

Clemson is on a downward trajectory. They are recruiting 3rd in the ACC. Miami has recruited the best over the past 2 years and will continue to be a recruiting front runner.

[@nathaniellathy6559]

The ACC can be good, in basketball 🏀 👌

[@tarheel7406]

#2 in football measured by the 4-team playoff coming into the realignment.

[@Terrylevi-ts6ez]

How many AAU schools will be available,the Big president’s have to vote new members in.

[@ebayollis]

How bout the annuciation from my man in the left...wow, i can hear every single syllable

[@josephross7936]

Would Notre Dame rejoined Big East in all other sports if and when the ACC implodes? Still wounder where Stanford Cal & SMU go? They should all join the Mountain West with Oregon St. & Washington st., drop Hawaii and have a Schedulin agreement, 8 MWC play them every year and rotate.

[@tarheel7406]

If the ACC so heavily depletes out to the SEC/B1G that the ACC fully scatters, ND will have to join the B1G in full. CAL+2 surely already knew that UNC, CLEMSON & FSU would be leaving and would be confident that the rest (including ND) will be staying for the near foreseeable.

[@domerbuz3813]

Everybody talks about money, money, money. Add Clemson, FSU, Miami, and North Carolina to the Big 10. With those 4 plus Michigan, OSU, PSU, USC, OR, Washington, Wis, Neb, MSU, and Iowa, how many will lose 5 games or more every year for the next decade? Some schools have to lose, even if you assume none of these ever lose to the bottom group of Indiana, Purdue, NW, etc. The losing fan bases will soon start clamoring to get out and go in another direction. Same with SEC. Auburn, Florida, Miss, Tenn, and even LSU are over their heads regarding financial capability.

[@tarheel7406]

I don't recall any serious talk of NEB returning to the BIG12. The P2 consolidation will have a parity effect and fans will adjust to NFL type records.

[@shawnandrews329]

It's not hard to figure out the next 2 teams to the B1G. The lawsuits against the ACC tell you that the B1G wants FSU and Clemson.

[@malcolmjones27]

Goofy a$$ take.

[@tarheel7406]

FSU is desperate and is going scorched earth. CLEMSON has yet to burn bridges/ships and is allied with UNC. The B1G is very unlikely to have an interest in CLEMSON, which prefers the SEC anyway.

[@mikemiller4726]

I have heard they want fsu from Multiple sources across BIG. They have heard 0 about Clemson

[@shawnandrews329]

@@malcolmjones27 No. You just don't understand. FSU and Clemson filed lawsuits because they've been given the green light from the B1G, if they can get out of the ACC. They are not arbitrarily filing lawsuits just because they're unhappy with ACC money. They have a destination and must have a clean break.

[@tarheel7406]

@@shawnandrews329 So... Many claimed that the B1G didn't want to "look bad" or risk legal liability by taking WASH/ORE when they asked to join ~but~ the B1G is going to have its fingers on this litigation? More likely that this is a Hail Mary move by FSU. It wants to be the first available to increase its chances of a P2 invite. Moreover, FSU publicly stated that it can't be competitive if it doesn't get Tier 1 money by a certain date. If FSU's position is that waiting out the ACC's GOR means a football death, what does it do? Litigation will result in 1 of 3 options: a) BIG12 (football death) b) Indy (football death) c) B1G (football survival) A chance of football survival is better than none even if BIG12 or Indy is worse than waiting out the GOR. In contrast, CLEMSON (and UNC) also needs to leave for football survival but is not going Hail Mary. It is currently (mostly) asking for judicial clarification of the applicable law and controlling agreements in order to better weigh its options. Since CLEMSON is allied with UNC, absent political interference, CLEMSON has secured an SEC invite.

[@davidsmith8278]

I do not agree with you, though that Miami is a better program than Clemson,. I do not see that at all I think Clemson, in fact is more committed to football than Miami is.

[@strangedays871]

Yeah, they don't know what they are talking about. Neither one of them has even been to Clemson. It's all about football. Miami has been a dead program for two decades.

[@v.l.c3979]

​​​​@@strangedays871 so what miami market is bigger than Clemson and Trailerhassee st.

[@jcfilms4433]

@@v.l.c3979markets don’t matter! Alabama is in Birmingham and Clemson is near Greenville. Both cities dwarf Miami in college football viewership. These kids are dumb as hell and have done no research!

[@ChefMaal7]

In the past three years, Miami has committed to NIL, facility upgrades, adjusting to modern game

[@user-lm2jo8gx2j]

You guys don't know any facts. The biggest criticism of Miami is that they have not invested in their facilities. They don't have a stadium on their campus. Their facilities is not on up to the standard of Clemson and FSU. FSU and Clemson has the highest viewership in the conference. Most schools in the Big 10 are trying to catch these 2 schools in facilities. Clemson has more National Championships than any team not name Alabama the last 10 years.

[@jansonroberts2616]

You spelled Georgia wrong. 2 in the last 3 years.

[@stoney2271]

Utah wants out for sure

[@tarheel7406]

FSU's tactics could have screwed UTAH. If FSU had been more diplomatic and amicable, it and others may have reached a settlement long ago giving the ACC the incentive and time for a larger and more effective backfill with PAC remainders.

[@joe_zeay]

Oklahoma is irrelevant now

[@jansonroberts2616]

Clemson will join the SEC if and when they leave the ACC along with UNC. FSU is going to the B1G and will take Miami along with them.

[@rogerallen2307]

I do I would love to see mini nfl and I do not want the acc to ever be good I am a Miami fan and I do not like or respect the acc so as soon as it fells the better

[@tarheel7406]

The BIG12 is now fully depleted and ~33% G5 equivalent. It's the worst P4 (by far) in athletics, academics, prestige and media value. The ACC is the most balanced P4 athletically and still has members of high interest to the SEC and B1G. The SEC will eagerly cede FSU (and MAMI) to the B1G for other priorities. I highly doubt that there is any material mutual interest between CLEMSON and the B1G.

[@christopherhooter1937]

Clemson: agreed... they are a cultural fish out of water in B1G. Not happening

[@christopherhooter1937]

Also agree that SEC will cede FSU & Maimi for better ACC opportunities

[@jansonroberts2616]

@@richardhead-sw2qcLOL, the SEC has been marketing itself nationally for a couple of decades.

[@christopherhooter1937]

@richardhead-sw2qc ND probably wants to stay independent, and SEC will help leverage to support that effort before pull the rug out and force their hand

[@christopherhooter1937]

@@richardhead-sw2qc Miami ... meh ... off campus stadium, and it ain't the old historic Orange bowl

[@user-sn7is3wj8y]

UNC and Notre Dame are top of wish list for BIG

[@tarheel7406]

And is likely to not get UNC while ND will holdout as long as possible. Now what?

[@user-sn7is3wj8y]

@tarheel7406 Notre Dame will definitely hold out. I also think UNC if it leaves will prefer BIG to the SEC. They are definitely a school that likes high academic standards too and the BIG delivers on that.

[@tarheel7406]

@@user-sn7is3wj8y UNC has clearly shifted from B1G to SEC, frankly a windfall from the delayed move. The B1G has reached its highwater mark unless it effectively and heavily expands south, which I don't see happening. The buzz became FSU and/or MIAMI because ND became more entrenched and UNC was lost.

[@user-sn7is3wj8y]

Maybe, we will see. Personally I would like to see these conferences survive. But I don't think they will.

[@tarheel7406]

@@user-sn7is3wj8y The TX/OK move was within the P5 world. The SEC was just improving its football, etc., relative to the other P5s. That poach relegated the BIG12 down to a new Tier 2, but we could still say P5. The move focused attention on the revenue gap. When USC/UCLA decided that the PAC12 could not get Tier 1 revenue, that same was required to remain competitive, and moved to the B1G, that confirmed that the PAC was relegated down to the same Tier 2 and a transition to either a P3 or more likely P2 had begun. At that point only the ACC could survive as a peer P3, but that required a new and high enough media deal to prevent depletion. That didn't happen, so we're now continuing with the P2 consolidation. The BIG12 and ACC should survive as Tier 2s, and the PAC may be rebuilt enough for a third.

[@otisjohnjr.3023]

Miami would be a terrible choice over Clemson.

[@Punxphil215]

Clemson had a little run which is now over. Miami has a far brighter future now that they have recommitted to football

[@davidmead2529]

They want some of State of Texas. TCU DFW area is what the big 10 want.

[@tarheel7406]

Unless the B1G can poach either TEXAS or TXAM, the SEC says be my guest.

[@davidmead2529]

@@tarheel7406 true true. Depends on their contract with the SEC and all that.

[@tarheel7406]

@@davidmead2529 Then the B1G doesn't want TCU, which is a G5 equivalent.

[@davidmead2529]

@@tarheel7406 no look at their tv ratings, location, international airport, brand, and in the top sports program in the country. Worth more than many other teams in the big 10 that nobody even heard of.

[@tarheel7406]

@@davidmead2529 TCU is a G5 equivalent. It didn't make the original P5 cut. It wasn't even good enough to backfill CO or NEB. TCU was only added out of necessity even though dilutive. Outside of RUT, I have heard of all of the new B1G members far more than TCU and likely could have named all of the B1G members when this story dropped. I couldn't have come close to naming the BIG12 members. With such a selective cut, only the flags and near enough #2s have a chance among the publics, and the privates have to be Tier 1, 2 or special. TCU is none of that.

[@seanevans9329]

Saturation

[@pilroberts6185]

I'm an old school College Football/BigTen fan. I got to tell you, this expansion stuff is getting ridiculous. It's all money money money, conferences the size of leagues, revolving door players every year, sometimes twice a year... it's a mix now of the worst of professional and semi professional sports. What a circus. The traditions, rivalries and loyalties of college football, you know the stuff that actual makes college football fun, are eroding fast. Add to that my recent college visits are blighted by fools cheering on the most barbaric of terrorists the world has ever seen... good grief. The entire college scene is odious. Anyway back on topic, endless realignment might be 'the future' but if it is, I'll just tune out. You can say; Laudator Temporis Acti but I'll reply; O Tempora, O Mores

[@BIG10_Quicktalk]

I agree, the conferences are what make college football so unique, but we are at a point of no return, so it makes for an interesting segment

[@shawnandrews329]

ND will be forced into the B1G for 1 simple reason. When the B1G expands, they will increase their conference games to 9 or 10 and ND would lose its rival games with all the B1G schools in USC, Michigan. Michigan State, Purdue, and Stanford. Yes, Stanford is having backdoor talks with thr B1G in which they will permanently accept less than half of a conference share. It makes since.

[@shawnandrews329]

Guys forget about the Big 12. It's a glorified G5 conference. Forget what you think about the football play. The fact is they don't have tv draw. Colorado is the only Big 12 team that draws over a million viewers. Most of the other schools have G5 level tv viewership 300k-500k.

[@jamosq2]

Dan is a Miami Grad

[@mark8337]

UNC will go to the SEC. I would be shocked if Virginia or Virginia Tech went to the Big Ten - just don’t see it. UVA is not a strong football brand or football supporting school. I’d see Stanford coming in at the same time of Notre Dame and Utah getting us to 24 with FSU, Miami, and Clemson rounding to a max 24. With Stanford and Utah coming in you’d have 6 out West plus Nebraska making up a 7 team regional group. Then the rest a Midwest and east coast/south group. Plus, if Stanford joins, all of Notre Dame’s traditional rivals are onboard with the Big Ten - USC, Michigan, Purdue, Stanford, Michigan State, Miami…. which would make Notre Dame happy…

[@josephcernansky1794]

UNC AND UVA are NOT going to the SEC....BET YOUR entire ANNUAL PAYCHECK on that!!! And I wouldn't doubt that VA Tech gets an invite to The B1G either.......you are just blabber SHIT TALK and opinion.....start doing your HOMEWORK!! The NUMBERS DON'T add up too well for the SEC compared to the academic pedigrees that reside in the ACC. These are STILL (supposedly) ACADEMIC institutions....NOT just a "brand" to sponsor a football team so LAZY FAT ASSES can sit on their couch to watch a game!!

[@jansonroberts2616]

UNC and Clemson will both join the SEC if and when they leave the ACC. They are in fact the number 17 and 18 for the SEC when the time comes.

[@jansonroberts2616]

⁠@@josephcernansky1794And yet UNC nor UVA would be the top academic school in the SEC. Chillax. They’ll both continue to be great academic institutions. In fact, they’ll be among the academic leaders in the SEC once they’ve joined. Duke is coming as well, a little later than UNC but coming to the SEC none the less. It’s going to be ok. It’s an athletic department move. It won’t affect their academics in any way, shape or form.

[@mark8337]

@@jansonroberts2616 Yes, I said UNC. But there is more talk about Clemson joining the Big Ten than there has been about them joining the SEC. So, unless you personally know from official Clemson Admin, I can only take your claim as your best guess.

[@jansonroberts2616]

@@mark8337 we must be reading and watching completely different articles. It’s the opposite actually. There is much much more on Clemson to the SEC than B1G. Most B1G reports are saying yes to FSU but no to Clemson. We’ll see how it all works out and if I’m wrong about Clemson, I’ll be the first to come on here and say so. UNC and Clemson to the SEC.

[@shawnandrews329]

Get ready boys, the NFL model is coming. It's going to be an AFC NFC models with divisions on each side. This will happen by 2020.

[@shawnandrews329]

The Big 12 is NOT better than the ACC. They just have more teams. The top of the ACC is better than the top of the Big 12.

[@AntonioBaker-zk8zu]

The ACC and the Big 12 needs to merge I’ve been saying this for a short while

[@tarheel7406]

For what purpose?

[@AntonioBaker-zk8zu]

@@tarheel7406 to save the conference and combine get more money that’s the only way imo

[@55MLF]

Clemson is much better than Miami. Go to a game...at both. You will see. It's not close.

[@tarheel7406]

Think relative value within a likely ~24-team B1G.

[@TrapSosa-lp7cs]

The market and recruiting can’t touch Miami

[@collegefootballtalk421]

We need to finally bring Notre Dame to the Big ten

[@TheLAGopher]

FSU Miami Notre Dame Stanford

[@dionpryor369]

Nope to much a pain in everyone's ass. Keep them out till they beg and can follow orders from the league.

[@josephcernansky1794]

@@dionpryor369 THAT is why I say....Notre Dame will join the ACC as a FULL-MEMBER AFTER FSU and Clemson leave! It will make it easier for Notre Dame to win the "conference" every year, get a Playoff berth, get a Bye Week, get Homefield Advantage.....AND...still have their own TV deal...AND be the "big TURD" in the ACC to make the rules to suit themselves and have ALL the other "Leftovers" on their knees sucking....because Notre Dame "saved" their Conference from extinction!!

[@collegefootballtalk421]

@@dionpryor369 ok then

[@collegefootballtalk421]

@@TheLAGopher we do not need Stanford I'll rather have Pitt than Stanford

[@b.d.ericksonii203]

I think the Big 12 needs to keep all its team and add Boise St. and BYU.

[@spyrus_4359]

BYU is already in the Big-12 😂

[@b.d.ericksonii203]

@@spyrus_4359 I thought they were independent still. Good for the Big 12

[@shawnandrews329]

Great discussion. I think the 2024 season is pivotal. If Miami wins the ACC, their tv ratings will increase dramatically making them a much bigger attraction for the B1G. I say B1G because they are a fit academically with AAU status.

[@duhdoy08]

Depends what Notre Dame does. If they join, then I say FSU and UNC. Other than that, I don't like the idea of any of the ACC teams joining the B1G.

[@tarheel7406]

As things stand, FSU goes B1G and #20 is held open tor ND if/when.

[@waynebennett745]

9:15 It's INTERESTING how you say travel & its cost will hurt ND in the SEC, but start off this video about FSU BELONGS in the B1G. Guess travel issues wouldn't apply to them when their CLOSEST conference teammate would be ~1000 mi. away? Let's not also forget USC & UCLA!!! 🙄

[@tarheel7406]

The last thing ND wants is a schedule full of regional Midwestern teams. ND wants the travel to preserve its national brand. With that said, the SEC is unlikely to have an interest in ND due to its polar opposite geo-centric brand. ND has opted to delay joining the B1G until later forced in order to squeeze out a few more years of nominal independence.

[@waynebennett745]

@@tarheel7406 I agree that ND in the SEC makes as much sense as Cal. & Stanford in the ACC. Like my post said, it's funny how travel is an issue if it's NOT the B1G.

[@tarheel7406]

@@waynebennett745 a) From ND's perspective, neither the SEC nor B1G makes sense. the ACC made the most sense, but ND will wait to give up indy until it can no longer. b) Given the current situation, the ACC makes the most sense from CAL/STANFORD's perspective. c) As a surviving Tier 1 that is consolidating outside brands, the B1G will have brand gravity to be stable even if national. The SEC could be stable as a national, but it doesn't want to be national. Anyway, the world is now full of reverse thinkers who start with a conclusion even if "logic" becomes conflicting or mutually exclusive.

[@BrothaPhresh]

Such bad takes on Clemson vs Miami. Have you watched a Miami home game? The stadium is empty. They haven't done anything in football in 20+ years. Also- you tout Miami for paying players and then also say you don't want the NFL. Clemson can pay players and invest more but Dabo is stubborn about trying to keep college football, college football. Also markets dont really matter if the people there aren't watching. And don't forget Clemson is right in between Atlanta, Charlotte and Asheville. Not a tiny market.

[@malcolmjones27]

Y’all clowns stay hating on Miami. Deal with it!

[@tarheel7406]

MIAMI has brand inertia, as evidenced by it retaining value even with its now dated brand and success. MIAMI has more synergies with the B1G than CLEMSON, which historically has low brand inertia. CLEMSON is wisely allied with UNC for the much better fit in the SEC.

[@billbrasky12]

High school.kids take? What?

[@BIG10_Quicktalk]

@billbrasky12 Fresh off of graduation, haha

[@Ryan-vq5ur]

Clemson blew their load. Their dominant run ended 2 years ago and isn't coming back. Miami would definitely be a better fit than Clemson OR Florida State

[@terencebaca1990]

2027 Phase 1 of the ESPN Super League w/ unequal revenue sharing: - Florida State - Clemson - Miami - North Carolina - Virginia - Stanford - Cal - Notre Dame Future 34-team CFB/ESPN Super League w/ regional conferences and unequal revenue sharing that strongly favors the 8 most valuable CFB blueblood schools: Pacific Conference - USC - UCLA - Oregon - Washington - Cal - Stanford - ASU - Utah Big 8 Conference - Texas - Oklahoma - Texas A&M - Nebraska - Colorado - Missouri - LSU - Arkansas South Coast Conference - Alabama - Georgia - Tennessee - South Carolina - Florida - Florida State - Miami - Ole Miss Atlantic Conference - Ohio State - Michigan - Penn State - Wisconsin - Iowa - Maryland - North Carolina - Virginia Independent - Notre Dame - Clemson or Auburn

[@ChrisSadowski-pp1np]

If ND is not available the BIG should add FSU and Texas A&M (if they want out of the SEC)

[@PinkCastleton]

Why would a team want to demote themselves to the Big 10 from the SEC? Unless you're vandy, you wanna be with the big boys🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@ChrisSadowski-pp1np]

@@PinkCastleton because the last time I checked Texas A&M hates Texas. It's the reason why they and Nebraska (they also thought the Big 12 was on shaky ground) left the Big 12. The whole time Texas A&M was in the SEC they did not schedule Texas and the AD basically said that Texas can rot in their irrelevant conference. They were done dirty by the SEC when Texas was added and I could see them leaving for the BIG.

[@PinkCastleton]

Assuming that the Big 10, who endorses cheating with Michigan and mediocrity with practically every team, added teams from the west, completely disregarding the REGIONAL aspect of conference as they have always been and were designed to be, it seems hypocritical for you to tell me the SEC is some big bad conference for adding TWO REGIONAL teams which never had a legal binding agreement prohibiting them from joining. Just because the Big 10 can't live up to the SEC's standard doesn't mean you have to try and make them out to be some villain when we are the only relevant ones acting decently in the eyes of college sports, bringing winning and championships while the big 10 brings losing and sorrow

[@ChrisSadowski-pp1np]

@@PinkCastleton first of all I'm not a BIG fan. I'm a Denver broncos fan and a casual college football observer. As for Michigan, yes they cheated but they were truly the best team last year, especially with all the speed they had on offense. Ohio State did really well against Georgia in a close loss a couple years ago. As for the sec's traditional success, it's quite easy when you don't have a ton of academic standards compared to the BIG. Having said that, it's a top heavy conference and I don't think that Alabama will be as successful without Nick Saban. As for the SEC, I don't think that did anything wrong by adding Texas but they knew it was going to tick off A&M and they waited till last minute to tell them. If A&M leaves for the BIG I wouldn't blame them. The conference will only be better with Oregon especially added.

[@kogspinz4]

Spoiler alert….A&Ms main rival is LSU and not Texas. Second, Why would an SEC team leave for less prestigious conference with two national championships in 20 years.

[@JamesWatson-jg2dy]

Clemson run circles around Miami lmao

[@v.l.c3979]

And miami history is still richer than the Tiggers 😂

[@vistatiger7493]

@@v.l.c3979 🤣Sure - over 20 years in the ACC and can't even win a conference title.

[@TrapSosa-lp7cs]

It’s the market that makes Miami more valuable plus history. And now they are focused on football spending money on new facilities. Clemsons run over. In the next 5 years Miami will be way better.

[@allend807]

Miami, Notre Dame, let SEC have the rest

[@tarheel7406]

Curious... How many ACC schools would the SEC have to take before ND would be both willing and able to leave the ACC for the B1G?

[@billbrasky12]

Youre interviewing a teenager.. ..as an authority. Wow.

[@tarheel7406]

Just dumb. The PAC was delusional, overvalued itself, and rejected reasonable Tier 2 offers. In the end, the PAC12 remainders had no better option than the last resort new BIG12. In contrast, the ACC is not delusional, is being proactive with preemptive backfill, and ESPN can just renew a deal that is already heavily discounted down to the Tier 2 level. The BIG12 has already imploded, though it did so over ~10 tears. The SEC has no interest in ND, which will join the ~24-team B1G when there will be a separate Tier 1 playoff.

[@tarheel7406]

Just delusional.... If there was a reasonable chance of a football program to be competitive without Tier 1 revenue, USC/UCLA wouldn't have left the PAC and the ACC tentpoles wouldn't be trying to move.

[@Drumwolf62]

Great more mediocre teams to give Ohio State and Michigan automatic wins.

[@mike111777]

Miami? Lol they haven't had a top 10 season in either of your lifetimes.

[@malcolmjones27]

You obviously don’t know WTF you’re talking about.

[@vistatiger7493]

🤣 They can't even win the ACC and could never fill Clemson's on campus stadium up with fans. Miami has a terrible game day atmosphere. Even their little marching band is tiny.

[@mike111777]

@@malcolmjones27 ok. When was the last year the hurricanes finished in the top 10?

[@kevinmatthews7180]

Utah? Ha!

[@Ravi-did-it]

They Could be your teams ass!! 😂

[@Ravi-did-it]

BYU boys hate that Utah is much more relevant than they’ll be ever again 😢

[@kevinmatthews7180]

@@Ravi-did-it Nope, not that. Media says Utah is not that attractive. Maybe in five or ten years, but not now. Playing in the PAC hurt Utah’s prime time media coverage. But playing in the Big XII will help Utah get to be a more watched and popular brand.

[@kogspinz4]

Have fun with ND and Miami…Two schools that do not fit the SEC footprint, standards, or cultural fit. All of these other schools are wishful thinking for the B10. The big difference between the SEC and every other conference, including the B10, is they all MUST expand to survive and the SEC doesn’t.

[@joeykelly5642]

I think the more relevant, overlooked question here is which programs would be relegated in the place of any new Big 10 schools. At a certain point they will need to remove tenured members of the conference to generate additional value. That’s the next step in this ridiculous game of Monopoly they’re playing.

[@TheLAGopher]

People keep making the mistake of looking at the B1G as just another athletic conference and not a massive research and academic alliance with century old relationships. Nobody is getting relegated. Nobody would vote anybody else out in fear they wouldn’t make the next cut. Keep hoping Big 12 and ACC that you can snag an expansion spot and not hope you get swapped in the replace Indiana.

[@dionpryor369]

​@@TheLAGopherexcept the commissioner makes the decision not the school presidents..

[@joeykelly5642]

@@TheLAGopher You might want to brush up on recent history in the sport. Another major conference had members with long-standing academic relationships, and that did nothing to prevent the smaller schools from getting shafted by conference breadwinners, multiple times. We aren’t making a “mistake” when disregarding those relationships. They’ve been shown to mean very little during this wave of realignment. In response to the second part of your reply… Why would I want my school in the Big 10? To play in-conference cross-country games against USC, Maryland, and Michigan State? That doesn’t sound appealing to me, as cool as the Big 10 is. I want my school to play its regional rivals. Not overly bothered about the money because I’m a fan and alumnus - not an armchair AD.

[@jbadkins7778]

Miami sucks in football, Clemson, FSU dominated Miami over the last 10 years, you say Miami is better at football than Clemson is laughable, how many national championships has Miami had in the last 12 years, how many playoffs has Miami been to in the last 10 years or so, FSU and Clemson is the ones that have been carrying the ACC for last 15 years or more

[@v.l.c3979]

Doesn't matter miami have more chips than Clemson and Trailerhassee st.

[@KevinSuggs-cy8xe]

Miami, UNC, Virginia, and Duke are AAU certified. FSU and Clemson are going to the SEC. ESPN will make sure of it!

[@jansonroberts2616]

@@richardhead-sw2qc it’s a stacked deck against the non AAU SEC schools as well as VT and NCST. Georgia has had the research and academics for a decade as has VT. Neither are getting any consideration. They aren’t going to get any support from the B1G, ACC or SEC AAU members. Especially the AAU schools that are already in their state.

[@tarheel7406]

ESPN cares about the remaining terms of its contracts. The SEC cares about forever. CLEMSON & FSU are relatively disposable from the SEC perspective.

[@Punxphil215]

Nobody wants Duke. So many better alternatives

[@tarheel7406]

@@Punxphil215 Maybe no one wants DUKE. Both the B1G and SEC have lots of steak but could perhaps use some sizzle.

[@blacksportsguru]

No Miami, I want kansas, duke, north Carolina, Oklahoma state, fuck notre dame

[@armandhammer3782]

B1G can't compete with the ACC in basketball. So there's that. And Maye is gone, Mack is OLD, UNC will go right back to football mediocrity. Florida St has great football tradition. ND doesn't play football in the ACC. Only basketball. Miami ISN'T better than Clemson. Ridiculous! 😮

[@tarheel7406]

Coach Brown is not the answer at UNC, but both his tenures prove that UNC can compete at the higher level with a good coach that will stay. The title of the "Dean Smith of UNC Football" remains unclaimed. Brown had his chance but left for a bird closer to the hand at TEXAS. Given we are heading to a consolidated P2, perhaps a great, young coach will try and claim that title. UNC has a far higher actual ceiling in football than CLEMSON, which is likely already at relative peak athletic success and value.

[@armandhammer3782]

@@tarheel7406 Agree for the most part except for the Clemson football part. That's just silly, historically AND today.

[@tarheel7406]

@@armandhammer3782 CLEMSON is a low brand inertia #2 in a smaller state that's academic fringe (by ACC standards) and has no notable overall athletics. All football boats will rise for those who make the P2 cut, so "peak" is relative. In contrast, UNC is an elite upper right public ivy in a larger state with an iconic athletic brand recognized by colors alone. Though unmet, UNC has the higher football ceiling now and in the P2.

[@armandhammer3782]

@@tarheel7406 I'm just a dumb farmer so you"ll have to speak in simple terms to me but I know we (Clemson) have been whupping the Tarheels in football for generations. We (Clemson) have a winning alltime record against Ohio St and we (Clemson) have our share of natties. So I'll tell you like I told one of our cows last week during a visit from the vet......bite down on this, Nancy.

[@tarheel7406]

@@armandhammer3782 a) UNC and the ACC would have been much better off if CLEMSON did have higher brand inertial and would have had more sustained high-level success to be considered a true football blue, but it doesn't and didn't, so I consider a lite blue. b) An unmet ceiling is what it is ~and~ is unmet for whatever reason. CLEMSON has likely exceeded its otherwise expected ceiling, and that's great work. c) Over the history of the ACC, CLEMSON has likely been financially carried more than it has carried. You're welcome. There's a reason why CLEMSON has handled realignment as it has, including allying with the more valuable and influential UNC.

[@FurlogTheGiant]

The big million will collapse. Football goes independent and conferences are for dumb sports…the ND model gets adopted