WHO Are These Stargate Atlantis Villains, Really? (Stargate Spec)

[@Snapper314]

I think they DO exist in the main Stargate Atlantis universe and just haven't been encountered yet. The reason I think the show producers were heading in this direction is that SYMBOL on the alien's ships & uniforms. Had the series continued, I suspect that the Atlantis expedition would have run across that same symbol at some future point, which would have been an awesome and ominous reveal.

[@raven4k998]

I think that's a wraith the go'uld experimented on to make a super soldier

[@sebastian221983]

I always believed that those guys were the result of Asgard´s experiments on humans. That thing that they have in theirs heads is something more advanced but similar to what we can see when Daniel met one of them in that toxic planet.

[@GabePuratekuta]

Yeah, the tech in them is similar to the Vanir exosuits.

[@MagnanimousEntropy]

That' was my first thought when i saw them on screen as well. It's a good theory.

[@thetrainhopper8992]

That would be an interesting explanation, it would leave a slight plot hole of how they have ships and the Vanir don’t seem to have a large capacity to build ships. Unless they can reproduce somehow and aren’t a slowly dying race like the Vanir.

[@andrewclark8880]

@@thetrainhopper8992 A clone species perhaps.

[@thetrainhopper8992]

@@andrewclark8880 or maybe they solved the reproduction problem, but something else about their physiology wasn’t compatible or desirable to an Asgard.

[@HogW1ld385]

I just prefer the idea they don’t exist in our reality. If there are infinite universes with infinite outcomes as is stated many times then there would inevitably be those with enemies/races that don’t exist in ours. Every alternate reality we see in Stargate is basically the same as the main except with whatever crisis is thrown in to show our team what could happen in worst case scenario. So take out the Wraith and insert a new species and you have an interesting concept (even if we never learn more) and keep with the standard used for alternate realities.

[@5226-p1e]

If there are infant universes with infant possibilities, there's also a possibility that the atlanteans are still alive and they have advanced even further in time, there's also a chance they won the war with The Wraith or they never had to create them in the first place, maybe there was no play to outrun. What kind of people do you think they'd be? What if they started a show that was on Atlantis with the Ancients on Atlantis, only to realize that it was an alternate reality all along, and say that it was experienced by someone like Daniel Jackson who understands them to a certain degree. That would be an almost crazy plot twist in the story.

[@Rizon1985]

There are many different multiverse theories and some of them have multiple forms of multiverses. It's never definitively said in SG which theory is followed and they use different theories throughtout the series. Sometimes it's a multiverse by quantum physics where at every point of multiple outcomes, new timelines split off into new universes for each of those outcomes (a tree brancing into an uncountable high number of branches). Sometimes it's multiverses by string theory where a true infinite set of parallel multiverses exist. Sometimes it's mirrored universes where two universes are linked to each other (the ones where it's a problem when 2 of the same people exist inside the same universe). Sometimes it's not clear like with the quantum mirror where it's not clear if they're different universes, dimensions or realities and all 3 imply different scientific theories. The quantum mirror is probably the most advanced object in the whole SG universe. The stargates transporting matter through space is a complete joke in comparison. Even time manipulation devices are easier since they're in the same spacetime.

[@TheJadeFist]

Aside from writing conveniences. It makes sense that alternate realities that get traveled to would be very close to the main reality. If you think about probability space as an expanding wave front so more different realities are to each other the farther away they are from each other as time goes on.

[@opzwill1]

I definitely prefer the idea of them just being a new species. I always felt let down by never getting to see the other advanced species she mentioned.

[@shadowninja6689]

Agreed, this just makes the most sense. Especially if they wanted to try to "refresh" SG Atlantis by giving us a new villain to replace the older somewhat stale Wraith.

[@jasonworlock5113]

Alternate Wraith but a little different to the theory. I believe they are the Vanir introduced in 'First Contact and the Lost Tribe'. What if in that reality instead of them experimenting on the humans of the Pegasus Galaxy they tested on the Wraith? The grey skin, the cybernetic implants, and their ships being more technology the organic all fit the Vanir. While their size and aggressiveness match the Wraith. The Vanir were looking for a way to save their race from extinction and the Wraith were able to live for thousands of years, they are the perfect template for the Vanir to use.

[@1989Nihil]

Sounds legit. I think the way this could've been achived would be by hacking the Wraith reproduction/cloning facility, while a Queen is in process of creating/birthing new Wraith. And then implement the gained knowledge into their own cloning research, or somehow managing to influence the Queen to create only those masked Wraith, those drones, that are used as foot soliders. They appear to be enough of a blank slate for the Vanir to try and impring their on consciousness onto (hence that chip-thingy), considering the dornes have never been shown to have any personality at all, unlike "Steve", or Todd, or the Queens themselves.

[@andrewmalinowski6673]

That sounds like combining the ideas of "alternate Wraith" and "new species," it would make sense even if they appear to be more Wraith-like than the Vanir who'd essentially leaned more towards Loki's emotional distance when it came to how the humans would be affected by their actions

[@DWargs]

Theory: the aliens are the renegade Asgard, who attempted to integrate Wraith DNA into theirs for its regenerative properties, long life, and superhuman capabilities. In the process though, they have a similar effect to how John Sheppard was affected when he mutated into a Wraith human hybrid, making them hyper aggressive in combination with their hyper intelligencs. Ergo: bigger, stronger, technologically advanced space orcs.

[@Gatetraveller1]

I always thought of them as just another race that exists in the multiverse. It’s much cooler imo that they don’t exist in the main reality as it reminds us that there are infinite conflicts occurring. They could have literally any backstory the audience wants and it can be conspired true since it won’t be revisited. Love that idea.

[@the3goodlemons]

back when shows ENTERTAINED us..

[@MagnanimousEntropy]

Those were the days.

[@MartyTeslaModelY]

I never could believe that they were canceled. I watched every week the show and I can’t believe it wasn’t renewed and I’m waiting to see if Amazon or somebody will come in. Bring it back up to season six and further.

[@1989Nihil]

Joe Flanigan had a concept on how to bring it back for at least antoher season, but MGM/Spyglass didn't want to hear any of it, too busy with Emmerich's idea to reboot Stargate, the movie at least. But then Emmerich's other movie ID4 II tanked so hard at the box-office, MGM burried the idea of any more stargate media, letting SGU run only two seasons as well.

[@sedricksupreme]

I brought these guys up as possible enemies in a new Stargate Series. There could also be more bad Asgard somewhere to contend with.

[@the3goodlemons]

yea i like the bad asgard idea

[@Spookssga]

How about Evil Asgard ancestors

[@bobchessick4282]

Joseph Mallozzi said in his blog that the preliminary storyboard for Season 6 had this race returning.

[@mho...]

I always thought they where the "non organic wraith"! The one STUPID & disapointing thing from this episode, was the fact that Shepart didnt take the alien pistol.... would have been fun if he had a special looted weapon from that point on!

[@MagnanimousEntropy]

I would be fine with them being a completely new race. Their relationship to the Ancients could be similar to that of the Wraith in that they indirectly created them by accident. I wish we had gotten more seasons of Atlantis. There were so many storylines and questions left unanswered. Maybe someday we will get a new show to help tie up all these loose ends.

[@dragoninthewest1]

There? Where? Or do you mean "their"?

[@JoducusKwak]

yeaah i think that to, they probably have taken the Wraiths spot in the food chain in there universe to but with different goals than feeding on humans, no idea what those goals would be

[@BlackHoleForge]

If it fits within the narrative line of the story, and can work within the Stargate Universe, I don't see a problem with accepting it. The whole point about being Canon or not doesn't make sense. The episode was about alternative universes, so anything is possible, even a universe in which the comic book is actually a telling of that universes Canon. During these years of drought, it is up to us Stargate fans to keep it alive even when Stargate is not on the mind of the higher-ups. It is up to us to keep the stories and characters in our hearts and mind. We should be encouraging others to ask the question what if? Because sometimes those what ifs actually get turned into stories that let the creators explore new avenues, and paradigms. Sometimes they might just put it in as a one-off. Like in Stargate when they had a character named Martin who forgot his memories of being an alien. Or when they ask a question what if they could travel back in time and they went to the 1960s. That episode added some awesome lore to the universe, while still keeping all the previous stuff Cannon. Executive producers today need all the help they can if they want to rebuild the Stargate brand. And I think having this race created by Janice that were meant to get rid of The Wraith in every universe, would be a good way to tie in all the previous stories, and give a jumping-off point for a lot more possibilities. I think it would be awesome to have a Stargate Multiverse. But I wonder how many zpm modules it would take to make a connection to another universe?

[@ians6834]

in my mind if i had to make a story with them, there would be a world far from atlantis, highly advanced but with not many inhabitants, that would be under fire from the wraith, their scientists eventually find a way to capture some of them and experiment on them ( reanimate their corpses etc ) to use them in the war, making effective obedient soldiers that the wraith can't feed on they are so successful that they end up turning the tide and build a massive army of them, and the war against the wraith eventually truns into full galaxy conquest, in the alternate universe where our team meets them, they grew powerfull enough so that only atlantis and other lantean related world can resist them this encounter would forshadow a next episode where we either see the remains of that civilization that didn't win in our universe or their experiments backfired on them and there are rogue cybernetic wraith creatures looking to build more of them and start their own campaigns.

[@johnrich72]

I definitely think they were planting the seeds for a new race or enemies . An existing one .

[@stargate-fan65]

I mostely like the Idea, that this is a species eliminated by the wraith in our reality.

[@nineonine9082]

Alternate Wraith is really cool, just loved these guys when I was younger, but I've always loved little hints of a vastly bigger universe than what you see.

[@HungLikeScrat]

I assumed they were Wraith that were modified by the Lanteans to fight the other Wraith.

[@jacara1981]

My theory is they are Asgard (Vanir) controlled wraith from that Universe. When we run into the Asgard in Pegasus they have cybernetic inplants, they also said they fought the Wraith after then Lantians ran off. My Theory is that they won, enslaving the Wraith to use a foot soldiers and labor using the inplants to control the Wraith through their own telepathic network.

[@MrKsan05]

I would love to know everyone's favorite StarGate Atlantis Ep's. Mine was "The Shrine" My father passed away from Alzheimer's and I have never in my life cried so much while watching any Ep's of any show but I balled like a baby on this one.

[@jasonharrison25]

I always thought Doppelganger was a good one

[@MrKsan05]

@@jasonharrison25 " indeed" 😁😁

[@rds9872]

I love this episode! Season 5 had some of the best.

[@Dubanx]

The biggest issue with the theory that they're an alternate reality wraith is that the Deadalus in that reality was destroyed in the battle of Asuras. Which means events in that reality played out similarly to our own and only diverged close to or during the battle of Asuras. Which wouldn't be the case if the wraith in their reality were completely different. What I find most likely is that they're a breakaway group from the wraith, similar to the lost tribe of the Asgard. That they were once wraith, but broke off from the main wraith species long ago and diverged in technology and biology.

[@chopsfisher1622]

I would have made them some type of an offshoot of the Nanite's, or that they are a race of ppl that were built by another to kill the wraith but they didn't stop there, kinda like the drones from stargate universe... What really sucks is we got no info on why they were attacking Atlantis, even if Janus built them why would they attack His home!??

[@williamkopko5775]

Thank you for your stargate Chanel stay strong. Your our only help to keep going Thu the gate and continue the voyage of. Sg1. , Atlantis. And. SGU. -destiny.

[@armymatt83]

I think their just a race we hadn't seen yet

[@TheOneWithTheManyZs]

3:10 - WRONG. Haynes and Vaughn both co-wrote all of the American Mythology SG comics. Illustrators on the Atlantis comics were Greg LaRocque, Scottie Watson and Gordon Purcell.

[@Paragonion]

There are so many opportunities with the Stargate license. I would really like a RPG game based on Stargate. A new series would also be nice, but it needs to be a continuous of all the Stargate we all know and love.

[@Paragonion]

I'm thinking No man's Sky with a Stargate theme. OMG that would be amazing.

[@Paragonion]

With some premade locations, of course. Like SGC and Atlantis.

[@jonharper4478]

These could be an Extra-Galactic threat. So, 4 theories.

[@Cyclonus84]

The aliens may be the result of Asgard experiments. I believe Thor himself said that they experimented on humans. What would stop them from experimenting on other alien species? These aliens may be the result of Adgard experiments on how to beat their cloning problems.

[@josephwhite1098]

We need NEW stargate so bad. Lets explore this race!

[@mrbojangles8133]

they are former allies of the Ancients but time had not been kind to them , and in turn these guys got Mad!

[@FastDuDeJiunn]

at the end of the day. its a tv show meant to be entertaining. and we can imagine whatever we want it to be as it fits our personality. thats what makes stuff like this fun to me. disney has helped break me of what is (Cannon or not) as they uterly destroyed starwars. why let others tell u what is or isnt true when its all supposed to be fictional anyways lol

[@deucedeuce1572]

Always wondered who/what they were. Imagine the things they could learn if they had extended contact with the Atlantis team from this universe.

[@GRIMREAPER5289]

Atlantis had the worst luck. It was an amazing show that foreshadowed all this really cool stuff towards the end of season 5 and then boom cancelled. Okay well atleast we will get the direct to dvd of Atlantis on the far side of the moon then boom cancelled. It truly deserves another season or multiple feature length episodes to finish its story.

[@ZagLineGaming]

I watched this episode tonight. This really felt like a seed for a new threat that would have shown up in season 6. IMO, if there is a Stargate Relaunch they should use these guys as a potential baddie

[@thomasw695]

And now I want to the comics

[@norseironworks]

alternate Todd would be cool

[@Acc0rd79]

They really missed the boat not having continued the series and had these guys in it. Man they were powerful!

[@SkogKniv]

How about they are the result of the replicators sent to kill the wraith. In their best defense the wraith adopted their nano tech to become blended. Idk seems fun.

[@robertcurtis3807]

I totally doubt it. I believe they are a completely different species. Much more cooler looking, and ships and weapons than the Wraith.

[@VuT-gz8kd]

My theory is alternate Wraith as well, while watching Atlantis episode S05E17 - Infection, seeing the infected Wraiths attacking the team it reminded me of the aliens from Daedalus variations episode.

[@joshuaperrine2019]

Maks about as much sense as Michael creating the Asgard. 🙄

[@GabePuratekuta]

Watching this brought up a new question in my head: Is Cor. Young really Janus in disguise?

[@pejman3]

If the wraith are result of lantean experiments to try to gain longevity by experimenting on the Iratus bugs, then those alternate universe aliens could be wraiths that were results of experiments but using cybernetic enhancements over use of the Iratus bug. they would still be wraith, but different origin and thus different properties

[@ChrissieBear]

The idea that they're a lantean weapon makes sense.

[@Sealhunt]

I think that the comics origin makes sense. The Lanteans genetically engineered a warrior race to deal with the wraith, using cybernetic implants to both control them and to enhance their already impressive physical abilities. Those implants maybe even allow these guys to operate Lantean technology without the special gene needed for the more powerful devices

[@SuperVstech]

Funny, I missed the se in these in the title, and thought the video was going to discuss who the real villains were in SGA…

[@guitargodthor2]

I think they're like the borg. They go around and assimilate.

[@shadowehadventures399]

This may seem weird to think but, now I'm curious as to what a war between the Ori and the Wraith would have been like. Or even the Replicators going against the Ori and the Wraith. Could it be possible for a a Wraith to infect or even feed on a Pryor of the Ori? Would would Replicators made from Wraith biological technology look like? Would they be easier or harder to kill? Here's a wammy, what if a Gaould took on a Pryor of the Ori that has been turned into a Wraith as a host for itself? Could the three genetics combined even stabilize? I have so many questions!

[@antonioyeats2149]

Well remember the only reason humanity was so successful against the ori is because the ancients prevented them from using godlike powers directly. I doubt they'd help out replicators or wraith that way but I also doubt the ori would have any particular beef with them as the ori didn't seem interested in going after the asgard. I think wraith or goauld would get absolutely bodied by ori even if they didn't use direct ascended intervention for some reason if it came to a head on confrontation for whatever reason because the Pryors in of themselves are so strong it'd take the same sort of mcguffan tech that sg1 used, and neither wraith nor goauld are very interested in developing their own tech as they are in acquiring it from other civilizations. The replicators though, as long as the ori didn't use hax would have a pretty decent chance. They're constantly adapting, innovating and creating altogether new technology. Again though, there's not much motivation for the ori and replicators to clash.

[@AltairZielite]

I like the cyborg wraith idea better. It has more imaginative sinister potential.

[@cobwebscollectables7232]

Love this episode, indeed I consider myself fortunate to own Ronan's original outfit (jacket and shirt) that he wears throughout the entire episode.

[@robkemp598]

I keep going between the undiscovered aliens and alternate Lantean weapon theories. On the one hand, it annoys me how few aliens are in the Stargate franchise, and I'm all for introducing more even if it's through novels, RPG games or whatever. But the alternate Lantean weapon theory has a very species 8472 vibe of invaders from beyond our galaxy, and I love that too.

[@donaldduck830]

There is a perfectly good canon explanation for the lack of genetic variability in the SGverse: 5 million years ago a virus killed everything and everything alive now is the result of Alteran reseeding life in the galaxy. For that, the genetic variability is ok.

[@illbeyourhuckleberry6484]

They can also be an evolution of the renegade/Asgard or a genome project scenario of Gould, tauri, wraith and/or renegades.

[@Steelback2010]

Since it is an alternate version of the Pegasus galaxy it seemed like they could just be an alien race that did exist at one point in our version but were wiped out by the Wraith early on in that species development. But in that other universe the Wraith either failed to wipe them out or the Wraith never existed in the first place. In the absence of one empire others will pop up to fill the void.

[@davidburris120]

What about descendants of Wraith and Lantean interbreeding?

[@Ka.Ha.]

I too believe it to be a different kind of Wraith - possibly even result of Asgard's experiments on Wraith

[@redonslaught3019]

Wild thought, but when I first saw them I thought they were a reference to the Kromag from sliders. They look almost perfect, except for being blue... lol Would be a perfect way to introduce them when "sliding" between dimensions. We could even meet them like we did the Unus, in a more privative state... Or would be found in a Cyro storage of some lab and freeded, like we've seen scattered across the Atlantis' show and would take over as them main Villains...

[@TaftisBack]

These are Stargate Borg. The comic book connection to the Lanteans and the fan theory wraith similarities start to give me Wraithplicator vibes.

[@user-ky8je2qj3z]

I mean, as long as they could be wraith that got infected by human form replicator nanites who'd had their programming tampered with by the vanir (Pegasus asgard) I think most people in the comments can be happy and consider themselves to be right...

[@Vipersnake21]

Maybe its one of Michaels experiments, he lost control and then there techonolgy evolve extremly fast

[@littlemissmuffet7301]

I like the idea that Janice made them, but i also like the idea that they're alternate versions of Michael's hybrids.

[@somebuddyX]

For some reason I figured it was a combination of ideas. I figured these were related to the Ancients, not alternatives to the Wraiths but some counterpart. If the Wraith were space vampires then I thought of these guys like space frankensteins and some random Ancient's little project that went awry. I figured they were not indigenous to only that one reality so that they could just show up in the main reality without needing some event to introduce them. I liken it a bit to There But For the Grace of God or Vegas foreshadowing events. The heroes have a heads up on things even if the villains don't.

[@The1RandomFool]

I wished there would have been another episode where they were discovered later in the proper universe. I think it's just another species that was discovered in a different order in the parallel universe.

[@JustaThing]

I always assumed they were Michael's Human/Wraith hybrid if he succeeded earlier in the tl

[@billynorris6411]

What's sad is there will never be another show or shows better

[@happybuttersblast8334]

I would rather it be in that universe there are no wraith so this race of aliens were the big bad but in the main universe the wraith destroyed them a few thousand years ago.

[@jinxatocious]

What if they evolved from a different kind of bug in the alternate universe?

[@Lyze]

My thinking is that they're some sort of created warrior race built by...someone. They seem unapologetically hostile with no sense of self preservation or even curiosity. Something about them remind me of the Zentradi from Robotech.

[@jeffdavis5723]

*FINALLY A REAL “GATEWORLD VIDEO” Thank you for this production.* ❤ 🎉 😊

[@user-ky8je2qj3z]

6 hours & this gets over 2k views... the last episode of atlantis aired over 14 years before... Imagine being in an age where the tech exists to get a channel that reads out scripts penned by chatgpt type of a thing that's been fed all the stargate episodes and asked to write new episodes taking place in alternate realities... heck I bet there's a market of folks that would pay 10$ a month for new scripts weekly of just that... probably nearly 2k of em already saw this clip before I got here.. Amazon, you listening?

[@ydna]

I wouldn't say their facial structure is similar. instead they used similar rubberface makeup from the mid 2000's era 🤷‍♂

[@illbeyourhuckleberry6484]

Three other one is t mine but from another KZbin. The first seemingly plausible would be the evolution of Michael races which would be more human than wraith and controlled by him. Another fun spin could be Asgard Renegade could have made them as sort of a guardian verse the wraith. Last might be the big somehow also shifted another alien race that became this. Like the wraith came from the big and ancients.

[@moireth1460]

Why can't it be both? Ie, in an alternative reality, in the great war Lanteans captured wrath and modified them genetically to be immune from the Wraith (to more easily hunt them) and cybernetically? Over 10,000 yrs since the war an Terrans interacting with Pegasus galaxy again the wraith were eradicated and replaced with these who go on to fight on ?

[@PariahRonin]

Replicator Wraith - the Replicators in our universe choose Ancients as their template - but there's no reason they couldn't choose any other form as a template.

[@plotholedetective4166]

I always thought they were an alternative version of the Asgardians if instead of becoming weak clone things they become jacked cyborgs

[@brandonblake2078]

My fan theory was always that when they created the atlantean Pegasus replicators in an alternate reality those replicators were designed to infest The wraith in some way and it went all wrong and it enhanced the wraith and now instead of feeding on the people of the Pegasus Galaxy. They now had directives to destroy all life

[@davidnix5493]

i'd like 3rd option i mean where are the rest of the aliens that do get in fights ie frost giants that the asguards fight could this be a version of them?

[@livingcoffee_edits]

This is just completely random that I am coming up with on the spot. But they could be a fuse between the Ancients and the Wraith. A fuse between the Ancients and the Replicators. Or a fuse between the Ancients and the Wraith

[@DJJonPattrsn22]

It seems clear to me (assuming what you say is accurate about the writers/producers claim to feature them again) that this is almost certainly just another alien species in Pegasus. 1. The plan to see more of them makes almost certain that they do exist in our universe and are NOT an alternate evolution of the wraith 2. The quantum reality drive technology, even if not based on nor related to the quantum mirror would shill be dependent on more similar universes being closer; the wraith having such a completely different evolutionary path would certainly not be in a neighboring alternate universe/reality 3. How could the wraith like those in our reality be interacting with these guys if they are the wraith (but a variant form)? 4. This really does not fit with the other inventions of Janus at all, nor of the Ancients in general... And if they were created by Janus, why would they be hostile to humans? Anyway, that's my assessment... There are some other interesting ideas in the comments! Good job guys!

[@hivebrain]

Alternate Wraith doesn't quite work. It would mean the history of Atlantis (and by extension Earth) would be substantially different. It needs to be somewhat similar for there to be an alternate Atlantis expedition.

[@Nathan-vt1jz]

The comic or second fan theory is much better than the wraith fan theory.

[@chrishnatusko6815]

I thought they just evolved more on the human/tech side. But I like the idea they are another weapon, like the organic version of the Atlantian replicator

[@justinbruce8074]

Wraith and replicator hybrid

[@DeluiseBookSeries4821]

i'm just hoping for brad and joe to be involved.

[@lepuitsauxsouhaits]

The pilot of "The Teal'c Chronicles" is crazy !! 😱🔥

[@colinlewis4637]

I think that they are an evolution of to be Pegasus replicators. It's already known that the Pegasus replicators can create actual human bodies to put their consciousness into. So maybe they created organic bodies with replicator tech integrated into them. And they were attacking Atlantis for the same reason the replicators did. Revenge, or maybe they saw Atlantis as their property and wanted it back.

[@matorix003]

Well, we know by a book on the grace aliens that they come from their own galaxy and aren’t the furlings but we’re perfectly aware of the 4 great races and so were they of them. I made a similar comment on a video on that race on the SG 2 4 channel So they disappeared because they had a problem in their own galaxy, what if that problem was a mixture of a cosmic natural disaster and an enemy race? The cosmic natural disaster would be 2 galaxies colliding with each other and the enemy race would be this Borg race The Borg race was in their own universe but when the galaxies collided they came in contact with the grace aliens and since their technology matches they clashed for a long time until the grace aliens seemingly defeated them and returned for the brief encounter we see in the episode „grace“. But the Borg aliens returned much faster and fiercer than the grace aliens anticipated almost wiping them out which would explain their genuine absence during the attack of the ori and replicators. Ultimately they defeated the borg aliens once and for all and finally return in the short story „pleasure cruise“ from „far horizons“. Now that would be for our universe, the parallel universe is different: In the parallel universe the borg aliens wipe the grace aliens out. With a new found hunger for power they explore outwards their galaxy and find their way to Pegasus where they meet with the Wraith. They defeat the wraith within a few years of their arrival and force the few survivors to live in absolute secrecy. Atlantis gets discovered and SGA is confronted with a galaxy at war meaning all advanced civilisations fighting for their survival against the borg aliens. And that’s where we get to the point we see in the parallel universe Just made this theory myself but I think it’s p decent

[@zamreda]

maybe they high tech cyborg zombie alien..

[@NAMASTRUE]

The race is a combination of wraith and Replicators. Todd in our reality helped shut them off orginally. This reality Wraith beat the Replicators and learned how to assimilate the Lantian tech. They are a living linked hive mind of individuals. :)

[@merlintroy]

What if they r a mix of Wrath/Asguard Or even just the wrath bug and just a Asguard but an Asguard that looked more human back then when the Asguard first got to pegas We now the Asguard ended up in pegas coz see saw them in those advanced robot suites & they didnt like the Ancients to much so what if the Asguard first went to pegas and found the Wrath bug and used it to save the Asguard as a race. Those red lights in the big guys head look the same as what the Asguard had when they stepped out of those suites only the lights weren't red. Just making possible connections but if u think about it it makes alot of sense especially if Atlantis was to have a 6th season like we all thought it would then these guys could of popped up more then with the intro of the Asguards at the end of 5th season.

[@5226-p1e]

Wait a sec your voice sounds familiar, but from another Stargate Channel one with far fewer subscribers, you did talk about Stargate a lot on your Channel, when the hell did you start working for gate world? Yes I remember you dude, you and I would go into a lot of different conversations about stargate, usually really deep questions about the show that most people don't have conversations about, like the Ori actually using Stargates in their own Galaxy. It was just a theory at the time on my part back then, but I think it's become established given that certain people in Gate world are actually talking about the same thing and admitting it into the lore.

[@5226-p1e]

I also remember you putting sometimes fairly cringy things in your videos that didn't exactly fit into the video, but you did it as a form of your comedy, sometimes they hit okay, other times not so much, like you would put something that was an anime that almost nobody knows about who watches Stargate but I think that was according to your generation.

[@jogeettbr]

My headcanon is that they are a small radical group of Ancients which modified themself into cyborgs in order to fight the wraith

[@dgaf9843]

The Ancients have a history of altering genetics and letting there experiments get out of hand. The Atlantis crew has been able to capture wraith on many occasions. I think it's another experiment gone wrong. The ancients got ahold of a wraith of at least dna, and tried to find another way to end the war, but just made a different variation. Explains the physical similarly and the atlantician design

[@cecilb3216]

I always thought that dadulus variations would have been a awesome show by itself

[@radionoakmont7756]

but since one or several was on that dimension jumping starship the being either is a form of wraith with replicator mix or just a new species of beings alltogether like, kromaggs in Sliders, and we all know what happens to most comic they later on become a movie or series making them canon all along, dependingon the story arc used in the comics or novels too, or maybe these beings are even another kind of human but mechanoids sent out to hunt down any threats to human kind like the gau'ould, they are like a bioman from Defiance but mechanized, a ultra soldier, the gun matching the ones from the first series is a big hinta lot could have happened back at the first event before the Ra uprising if one thing was changed it would be the gau'old that would be slaves to a lantean empire that bred the symbiotes to make better workers and used these enforcers to keep order and being metal nothing for the symbiote to take over in that universe everything is much different, named the lantean galactic empire spanning maybe 30 galaxies just them experimenting with new technology, why that one attacked humanoids they believed they were escaped entities and was to be brought back processed then put back to work or to be put in a populace to live on a planet waiting to be a servant. or slave

[@DJJonPattrsn22]

Both "fan theories" are definitely far better and more coherent than the comic book writer(s), not to mention more plausible.

[@SardonicALLY]

They have implants... like the Vanir (Pegasus Asgard). In the absence of information I always thought they had been created by the Vanir to battle the Wraith.

[@WilliamJulienNkogheOlympio]

I would have loved them to Bethe new big villains for SGA since the wraith were scheduled to get wiped out anyway. They would have made a nice replacement.

[@mrfuturesspacecitycinema1874]

Im more for the new alien species we have not encountered yet in the main universe. Since it have been hinted that we may had seem the main universe one later if Atlantis had continued.

[@dyent]

You forgot the 4th theory: Furlings. Any unknown intelligent species in the Stargate universe is potentially a Furling until proven otherwise.