WHO IS THE BETTER GOAL SCORER: PEAK MATTHEWS OR PEAK OVECHKIN? THAT'S HOCKEY

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Auston Matthews now has 350 goals in 535 career games, that's 26 more than Alex Ovechkin scored over his first 535 games. Who is the better goal scorer at their peak? Craig Button and Kevin Weekes join Gino Reda to discuss.

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@rolieg81 3 ай бұрын

Ovie has a cup and is 5th in hits alltime. Just a unique breed, one of a kind.

@shanebrohm7786 3 ай бұрын

Cool stat! However this is about goals. In the modern day hockey it’s harder to score goals. Matthews>Ovi

@rt-rd5of 3 ай бұрын

@@shanebrohm7786 It's not. In 2014 there were 4 players at PPG. Last season there were 38. It's a much higher scoring league now.

@ashter_7266 3 ай бұрын

people don’t understand how unstoppable prime ovi was

@wresling300 3 ай бұрын

fr. I just watched this video of all his rookie goals and they are almost all highlights reel goals. Not many one timers.

@craigharrison5406 3 ай бұрын

I don't think you understand how unstoppable Matthews is right now. He has a legit chance to be the 4th player in modern hockey history to score more goals than games played in a season. Only Gretzky, Mario and Brett Hull have done that.

@shanebrohm7786 3 ай бұрын

Matthews’ GPG is better than ovi’s

@wresling300 3 ай бұрын

@@craigharrison5406 he's not even one pace for 82 so let's relax. He might hit 70-75 but over 82 goals is a stretch

@craigharrison5406 3 ай бұрын

it won't be 82 because he's missed a few games. Example if he plays 78 games he would need 79 goals to break the goal per game mark. He's been scoring at more than a goal per game over the last 2 months. Another hat trick mixed in with his endless 2 goal games would get him there. @@wresling300

@jt1395 3 ай бұрын

Ovi is better because he scored his goals in a lower scoring era. He was consistently the only one scoring 50. Look at his era-adjusted goals, and he's at 948 right now which is #1 in league history.

@craigharrison5406 3 ай бұрын

Not really., the difference is minimal. Goals per game per team in 2005 (ovies rookie year) were 3.08. That number is 3.12 this year. In Matthews rookie year that number was 2.77. I don't think you can just tack on 130 goals because he started playing in 2005.

@frankthetank819 Ай бұрын

Exactly ovi is the greatest

@wresling300 3 ай бұрын

it's close for goal scoring. But as players, peak Ovi 100%! Ovechkin was very physical and was more of a game changer. He was not just a goal scorer, he won the art ross against guys like prime Sidney Crosby. People always talk about the goal scoring of Ovi but he brought so much to the game.

@DropBear_42 3 ай бұрын

“More of a game changer” ? Are you sure? Matthews is breaking offensive records that haven’t been touched in DECADES, and he’s doing that while being a top selke candidate, top lady bing candidate, most takeaways in the league AND best takeaway:giveaway ratio, highest blocked shots for forwards, 56% on faceoffs. Ovi isn’t a centre so it’s a different game, but I think you have no choice but to say matthews is more of a “game changer” since he’s such a force on defence snd faceoffs

@wresling300 3 ай бұрын

@@DropBear_42 Has Matthews ever been crowned the best player in the NHL? Ovechkin has when he was in his prime. And that's when Crosby was in his prime too! No one is saying Matthews is better than Mcdavid, it never was a debate and still isn't.

@Nimajneb42069 3 ай бұрын

@@wresling300Matthews won the hart and Ted Lindsay in a season that’s about to be dwarfed by this. He has a long way to go and needs to win a cup if he wants to be as great as ovi, but to say he has never been considered as a top player in the league is false, and he’s also only 26 yrs old lol

@onewingedguy 3 ай бұрын

If Matthews puts up 50 in the back-9 of his career then yes, but for now they're pretty even. They play very different games at 5-on-5, and Ovechkin has put the team on his back and actually won something.

@hockey_all_star5895 3 ай бұрын

What does that have anything to do with it? It’s peak vs peak

@onewingedguy 3 ай бұрын

@@hockey_all_star5895 Early career Ovechkin is a transcendental goal scorer. Matthews has a better overall shot. What I mean by what I said before is that Ovechkin's "peak" extended into his mid-30s.

@hockey_all_star5895 3 ай бұрын

@@onewingedguy yes but they aren’t comparing how long they were at their peak, they are just comparing peak ovi vs peak matthews

@Gum_Cuzzler 3 ай бұрын

Ovi didn’t win shit for years. In fact, the narrative around him was basically the same as it around Matthews rn, that he’s a choke artist who disappears when it matters.

@craigharrison5406 3 ай бұрын

Matthews has more offensive weapons at his disposal. I watched Ovie sit in his office scoring goals from that same spot for years. Matthews office is the entire offensive zone. And his hands are ridiculous from take aways to having the puck crazy glued to his stick. He just dominates puck posession in the offensive zone game in and game out.@@onewingedguy

@BloggerMusicMan 3 ай бұрын

They're both amazing. Matthews' wrist shot is one of a kind and from the offensive blue line in I think only McDavid and MacKinnon are more dangerous right now. He plays centre while Ovechkin plays wing, which makes him more valuable that way because he covers more of the ice and takes on tougher defensive assignments. But I actually think Ovechkin in his prime was better. I think because we associate Ovechkin so much with his shot, a lot of people forget how awesome he was as a skater during his prime, and how many of his goals were created through his speed. The best thing I can compare him to is MacKinnon, except maybe even a little faster and more explosive. Ovechkin during his prime was a great skater and an incredible goal scorer -- 65 goals in 2007-08 was one of the best era-adjusted goal scoring seasons ever. But he was also among the league leaders in hits in his prime, and yet he missed so few games despite playing that style. I watch Matthews play a lot because I watch Leafs games regularly. When the Leafs have the puck in the offensive zone and Matthews is on the ice, he is very adept at getting open and finding ways to get chances. But what leaves me wanting with Matthews is that he's a big guy and a good skater, but he's injury prone, and he doesn't use that size as much as I think he could or should to be more effective. He could also be a lot more effective in the defensive and neutral zones. Ovechkin was never an impact defensive player, but what made Ovechkin so dangerous in his prime was that he had that size and explosiveness and used it regularly in transition. When I see Matthews get the puck in the neutral zone, I think the opponent should be really concerned. But Ovechkin coming through the neutral zone in transition with the puck was a force to be reckoned with. Both of them can score anywhere in the offensive zone. But if I need a player who creates more impact all over the ice, particularly in the neutral zone, I'm taking Ovechkin.

@shanebrohm7786 3 ай бұрын

Matthews has a higher GPG right now than ovechkin ever did. It’s the only real way to compare. You can talk all you want want about ovi skating and shot but this is about scoring goals and Matthews is doing it in MANY different ways

@BloggerMusicMan 3 ай бұрын

@rohm7786 Goals per game is the start of a conversation, not the end of it. There's so much more that goes into analyzing a player's effectiveness, even just as a goal scorer. The most obvious of these factors is era. Ovechkin's prime was in an era where it was more difficult to score. As context, there were 5.44 goals per game in 2007-08, his best year, while there was 6.3 goals per game last year, and 5.14 in 2003-04, the lowest of the Dead Puck Era. That difference may not sound like a lot, but if you take nearly a full goal difference and extrapolate over around 1400 NHL games in a year, that's 1400 more goals scored by teams over the course of a season, or about 45 more per team per year. That's like the equivalent of adding a star forward to your team and not sacrificing any other production. Ovechkin's numbers relative to Matthews are influenced by the fact that his prime was played in a more challenging era to score. It was quite a lot more physical. Rules about hitting to head were not even on the books yet. There were still a lot of teams with dedicated enforcers. The game overall was not as fast and involved a lot tighter checking. Yet, his speed and shot stood out even in this era. What would Ovechkin's prime be like if it was today? Mathematically I think he probably gets at least another 5-10 goals than he otherwise would, and has production not dissimilar to what Matthews is doing right now, but he'd be doing it on a weaker Capitals team and with skills Matthews doesn't have as much of. (The Leafs are perennial playoff contenders with four of the best 25 or so offensive players in the league. The Capitals in 2007-08 were the only team to qualify for the playoffs in a weak Southeast Division, and Ovechkin had 43 more points than the second highest player on his team.)

@frankthetank819 Ай бұрын

Well said man perfectly said ovechkin is the greatest scorer

@shanebrohm7786 Ай бұрын

@@BloggerMusicMan in ovechkins prime I was much easier to score! The league on average when ovechkin was in his prime was FAR LESS skilled than todays NHL. Hell we have 2 players that are going to have 100+ assists this season and possibly 6 players with 50+ goals. That has nothing to do with it being easier to score it has everything to do with the skill set of the players. Matthews also just hit 68 goals and will more than likely hit 70 goals this season. Something that ovechkin was never able to do. Matthews also has 50 even strength goals. He’s not a powerplay specialist like ovechkin is/was.

@shanebrohm7786 Ай бұрын

@@frankthetank819 statistics show that Matthews is on pace to be the best goal scorer ever. He’s much younger than ovechkin but it speaks to how much better Matthews is than ovechkin

@larryking2698 3 ай бұрын

its peak ovechkin. league is so much faster now giving guys more offensive chances compared to when ovi played, which is why guys are scoring at a far higher rate than 2006-2016. Peak Ovi's skillset in todays game might get him 80 in a season.

@wresling300 3 ай бұрын

I agree. A young Ovi would be a beast in this era. People forget that he was one of the fastest skater in the league back in 2005-2010. The way he skated was similar to Mackinnon, powerful strides.

@larryking2698 3 ай бұрын

@@wresling300 and he was skating like that at like 220-230 pounds. Guy would be a best in front of the net, the hand-eye coordination to get in easy top in goals like matthews, etc. he would really be up there with mcdavid in terms of argument for the best offensive player today. I think matthews is great and when u watch him in person he stands out compared to others but Ovi is a different beast imo.

@dmd434 3 ай бұрын

Ovechkins goal scoring has relied on the powerplay a lot more than Matthews (36% of his goals vs 26% for Matthews) and his first few years were played at a time when there were a lot more powerplay opportunities. Goals per game have increased a bit recently which favours Matthews at the same age but Ovi being more reliant on the PP goes against your point considering he was at his best when stationery on the PP rather than at top speeds. Additionally, if the league was slower back then, that should actually favour a faster player like Ovi vs now

@larryking2698 3 ай бұрын

@ when i mean the game is faster now a days, i mean that theres more chances in transition due to the amount of great skaters there are today. it makes it easier to get goals of deflections, rebounds, and easier goals where as Ovi was just sniping on everyone back then. Again, theres a reason scoring is up today. If you just use the eye test alone, Ovi was a more dynamic scorer than matthews.

@dmd434 3 ай бұрын

@@larryking2698 I do agree Ovechkin would probably score a bit more in transition today vs back then but his bread and butter was still when he was stationary on the PP which I believe would drop his scoring with the fewer PPs in today's game. Overall I think his goal totals would be similar in either era. I disagree with Ovi being more dynamic as a scorer, Matthews scores consistently in every which way from everywhere on the ice. I don't know how anyone can be any more dynamic scoring wise, it's what makes him so hard to stop. The hardest part of catching Ovi will be the longevity which is crazy in today's NHL.

@user-vk1yx5tz7l 3 ай бұрын

Ovie will have the better career !

@nathancarter7339 3 ай бұрын

Fr fr, Ovi for one can make it passes the first round and win the Stanley cup, unlike Mathews and Toronto

@Random-yb5di 3 ай бұрын

they made past the first round last year??@@nathancarter7339

@ethanparker7900 3 ай бұрын

hahahah so true homie @@nathancarter7339

@jordonborley8837 3 ай бұрын

Ovi best season (peak ovi) - 65 goals in a season. Matthews at 52 goals with 26 games left to play this season. (I think he’s hitting 70+) If we are talking just goal scoring, how do you not pick Austin? But I love how physical ovi played the game! Both beauty players. 👍🏼

@rt-rd5of 3 ай бұрын

Matthews can hit 80 but league has way more PPG players now. In 2014-15 Ovi had 53 goals and league had 4 PPG players. This season there are 37 PPG players.

@dangraesser5341 3 ай бұрын

I'm not a matthews fan but it is really something that he has zero empty net goals this year. That is something that's never happened in the nhl for top scores.

@4.0.7.7 3 ай бұрын

Ovechkin is close to becoming the highest goal scorer in NHL history. He’s done that through mutant level consistency and longevity. There are only 6 players in NHL history to ever score 75 goals in a season. Gretzky, Lemieux, Hull, Mogilny, Esposito and Selanne. If Austin can continue his pace he will make 7. That said if we’re talking peak only, then I’d have to give it to Auston but only if he keeps up the pace.

@tfc91420 3 ай бұрын

My two favourite players ever. Really tough to say though, I think Matthews has a more dynamic shot and he is a beast 5v5. But Ovechkin seems like he literally wills the puck into the net sometimes, and is a PP phenom. I think I'll give the edge to Ovechkin though because of his playoff scoring when it matter most, BUT it's closer than you think there. Ovechkin in 0.49 g/pg in the playoffs and Matthews is 0.44 g/pg and he can quickly improve that if, and its a big if, him and the Leafs go on a couple deep runs.

@jacoballen4189 2 ай бұрын

Ovi scored in a lower scoring league. If we want to go with team success Ovis had more playoff series wins at this point in his career as well and I can easily argue Matthews had the better supporting cast. I just don’t see anyone passing 9 rockets. That’s an insane stat to me. He beat out a young Crosby for the Calder, when has anyone ever picked Matthews to beat McDavid? Ovi had 3 MVPs in that time, he had more 50 goal seasons, more Harts. And the thing that really sets him apart, he never missed games. Never. And you go back and look at Ovis early highlights he was a wrecking ball. You can’t say that about Matthews.

@Bloodified 3 ай бұрын

The title of the video is not the question in the video. The guys said Ovi's best vs Matthews's best SO FAR

@Buckdeer101 3 ай бұрын

Ovi was better period! It’s unbelievable how consistent and healthy Ovi has been for how HARD PHYSICALLY he plays!!!!! No comparison

@hiphopmastersoshutup 3 ай бұрын

They both the greatest players

@ry4nx 3 ай бұрын

back then ovie was scoring from anywhere he wanted , making highlight reel plays everytime he was on the ice while also crushing everyone with his hits. anyone who remembers prime ovie knows this isn't even a contest...

@craigharrison5406 3 ай бұрын

Matthews also scores from anywhere he wants to. They measured the time it takes for him to catch and release a shot at 0.38 seconds. Goalies just don't have time to react it.

@josefharasek7487 3 ай бұрын

different era, different sticks, different goalies

@user-jr4gr1bz8r 3 ай бұрын

Ok let´s come back in..say 6 years, then we can start talking about this.

@dmd434 3 ай бұрын

Do the opposite of what Craig Button says and you have a chance.

@thefozzybear 3 ай бұрын

Good advice for any up and coming NHL GM.

@mathewprasad7409 3 ай бұрын

Justin holl

@hiphopmastersoshutup 3 ай бұрын

Austin Matthews has best wrist shot in the league.

@timvyfvinkel4542 3 ай бұрын

OV is alot more physical, but he's also a winger, doesn't have C defensive responsibilities or face offs. That equals it out

@Nimajneb42069 3 ай бұрын

Has Matthews hit his peak yet? People forget he is in his mid 20’s lmao

@steverobinson8771 3 ай бұрын

Prime Ovechkin wins hands down. The guy was a beast!

@Jimmyfly215 3 ай бұрын

Matthews can score from anywhere on any area of the O zone. I dont think i can say the same about Ovi. Two generational talents in different eras

@wresling300 3 ай бұрын

Have you seen Ovechkin from 2005-2010? He didn't score that much one timer goals back then. He loved scoring off the rush far side, undressing the goalie, wrist shot from distance, wrist shot from up close, on his back, you name it. Ovi could score in every way back then.

@Jimmyfly215 3 ай бұрын

@@wresling300 of course I have. I’m the same age of him basically. But Matthews literally does it way differently and has so many different ways to beat goalies. It’s not a knock on Ovechkin. Just really have to admire what Matthews does in today’s game.

@shanebrohm7786 3 ай бұрын

@@Jimmyfly215agreed

@shanebrohm7786 3 ай бұрын

@@wresling300Oveckhin also played against a lot weaker goalies when he was in his prime

@Jimmyfly215 3 ай бұрын

@@shanebrohm7786 played in a dead era of goal scoring. Ovi deserves all the glory. I’m cheering for him to break Wayne’s Record. Ovi has always been a gem. I just feel Matthews at his peak, it’s just better

@BrownKnee666 3 ай бұрын

Ovi no question.

@guin3666 3 ай бұрын

Peak Lemieux and Bossy are the top 2.

@__._._-_._.__ 3 ай бұрын

leafs would look better with a stronger D than goalie, we’ve seen teams win with goalies who weren’t even top 3 in playoffs. But when’s the last time a team won with small dmen leafs top RD is Lily that’s not gonna cut it at all cause in no way should brodie be moved back to right after showing how much better he is on left.

@oogaboogayeet4259 3 ай бұрын

matthews is a better player but ovechkin is a better pure goal scorer

@larryking2698 3 ай бұрын

matthews is not better than peak ovechkin, ovechkins a more dynamic player and more physical although matthews has a better two way game

@wresling300 3 ай бұрын

id say the opposite. Ovechkin won the Art Ross and was often top 3 in points in his prime. Has Matthews ever had 50 assists?

@rt-rd5of 3 ай бұрын

Ovechkin has more assists in best seasons, more hits, how matthews is better player? Matthews is pure goal scorer and Ovi is complete player who scores goals

@jacoballen4189 3 ай бұрын

Gretzky averaged 24 goals a year in his 30s. Howe and Jagr averaged 30 in their 30s. Ovechkin averaged 40. Nuff said

@jacoballen4189 3 ай бұрын

Now that we’ve gotten that out of the way let’s talk about individual awards at this point in their careers. MVPs, Ovi, most 100 point seasons, Ovi, Art Ross’s? Ovi, now that weve gotten individual awards aside let’s look at team results. More division titles? Ovi. More playoff series wins? Ovi. It’s not even a debate dude.

@harmangill7509 3 ай бұрын

Do people remember Prime Ovi? Or are they just thinking about 50 goal average Ovi

@brianbriscoe2630 3 ай бұрын

Both at their peak, I would take Ovie over Matthews. He's big and strong and hits like a freight train. No one pushed him around especially not in the playoffs. Matthews has yet to prove himself in the playoffs.

@IrishHooligan86 3 ай бұрын

Difference is Auston Matthews is a elite center in this league. He’s also really good at what position calls for. Matthews is just as dangerous without the puck as he is with the puck. He’s a great puck carrier and protector. He’s great at stealing the puck, blocking shots. You don’t understand all these things helps him become a great goal scorer. However, he’s lucky that he has great teammates like Marner to give him the puck

@satyr69 3 ай бұрын

Mike Bossy!

@coryjohn4057 3 ай бұрын

Only in Toronto would they try and put these 2 in the same sentence.

@craigharrison5406 3 ай бұрын

Only Leafs haters would try to discount Auston Matthews,

@pugsnow6684 3 ай бұрын

Only way Matthews past ovi is if he wins a cup before 30 and multiple cups

@thefozzybear 3 ай бұрын

The masks behind Weekes are dope.

@vickypascual8433 3 ай бұрын

Matthews is the best scorer in NHL!

@TranTek 3 ай бұрын

Button got to wake up Tavares about to change game ? not i seen so far all these year when he came here

@g-tech3113 3 ай бұрын

k, for real, what is with the garbage audio TSN? your levels are all over the place - get it together - I can hardly hear the video.

@hiphopmastersoshutup 3 ай бұрын

You need better defensive men first

@trippinout. 3 ай бұрын

Mike Bossy

@sayless9937 3 ай бұрын

This loon Button also said Matthews wasn't a top 5 player and isn't in the same tier as Draisaitl.

@SverigeiSverige 3 ай бұрын

Matteus

@category7273 3 ай бұрын

Watch out Leafs haters incoming, be ready for the " he doesn't score in the playoffs" 110000 times

@frankthetank819 Ай бұрын

Matthews is great but ovechkin is in his own class im sorry ovechkin is the greatest goal scorer of all time nobody shoots or scored the puck like ovechkin did go look how ovechkin scored goals falling on the ice hitting guys highlight reels it’s different Matthews couldn’t do what ovechkin does but ovechkin can do anything Matthews does because what does Matthews have that’s better then ovechkin maybe defense I’ll give him that but scoring passing hitting stick handling skating you can out them at a tie but ovechkin is the greatest

@Khalistan159 3 ай бұрын

Matthews hasn't advanced past the 2nd round. Ovis won the cup.... Nothing else needs to be said about who's better lmfao.

@billboggs6641 3 ай бұрын

I'll say peak Bossy.

@afzalhakeen4941 2 ай бұрын

ovie is better , he bodychecks ,fights, shows up at play-offs unlike miss matthews who disappears at play-offs -soft player

@47moochy32 3 ай бұрын

Ovie is better - so simple

@vickypascual8433 3 ай бұрын

Matthews is better than Ovi!

@speedyv6247 3 ай бұрын

Ovechkin, no question.

@Raven44 3 ай бұрын

Ovi sits in a corner and waits for the puck all game. Mathews creates his chances and can score from anywhere. He is also a centre and plays a way harder position. Probably the hardest position . Complete two way player. Tho ovi is still great. Prime for prime it's not even close. Mathews for the win

@nickpalma2634 2 ай бұрын

Do yourself a favour and watch ovi highlights from when he was in his 20’s. Dude scored from anywhere and everything, in 12 years or so if Matthews is still in the league, he’s gonna be doing the same thing and you’ll be CRYING when the next generation says “all he does it is shoot from the right side”