Who is The True Villain of Undertale? -

[@Xellerator101]

No problem glad you enjoyed the video.

[@Cothfotmeoo]

This really is a crazy thing. XD well played.

[@tadeolaguarda6965]

17:08 well, we know it was at least a couple centurys, the only characters that mentions how long monsters have been underground are Bratty and Caty and they said monsters have been trapp somewere between 1000 to 2000 years and the intro narration shows the humans fighting whit swords, we also know that at first monsters only ocupyed what it is in Game known as the ruins due to fear of the humans going down to finish the job and it took them a while to dare start expanding closer to the cave entrance, whit the city of new Home being the most recently inhabited part, we know that is we're Chara and Asriel lived as some of their things are still there and i doubt they builded such a massive city in a short amounts of time, so if we asume that Frisk didn't fell over a thousand years after Chara, Chara probably fell at least near a thousand years after the war. That's why there are only 3 monsters alive who had previously seen the Surface, Toriel and Asgore who are inmortal and Gerson, the oldest looking monsters we seen who is said to be the only monsters participant of the war that survived it, it may be odd to think he is over 1000 years old, but not only do we not know the average lifespan of monsters, but since he is a turtle, which are known to have very Big lifespans he may love longer than most others. Aditionally, they being able to kill a monsters fused whit a human souls may be easier to believe if we asume mt Ebott is somewere in the US since that mean the people wouldn't be atacking them whit random stuff and would instead be using guns and shotguns. I have a personal mini especulation that Chara was discriminantes against because of their red eyes, i have heard that red eyes were believe to be conected whit the devil, so if we asume Ebott is somewere in the US it wouldn't be imposible that Chara was born in a small Town full of religious people who saw them as the Spawn of satan or something, implanting the idea of them being a demon early on in their live and making it specially unerving to the villagers when she disapears and then a goat monsters, common depiction of the devil, apears carrying her body XD. This video was Made at a time were everyone seemed to be putting all the blame on Chara and making them up to be pure evil as a scape goat to not face the consequences of their own actions or something. I do not believe Chara was a Saint, but they defenitly weren't a demon bend on destruction. As i see it, they were a hurt child that developed a hatred for human and suicidal tendencys due to whatever they lived trough before falling into the underground, they apreciated the monsters but could not find much happynes for themself so they have up their life in order to give the monsters Freedom, but after seeing they had some control over Asriel body they tries to take Revenge on their village, which lead up to their and Asriel death, whatever happens to their spirit afterwards dependes on the player, it can love on if we spare everyone or it can be corrupted and believe the reason they were brought back was to destroy and become more powerfull for the sake of it, just as we taught her by killing everyone we could. Extra info, Chara lived on the 201* which can explain the reference to media like Star wars and things like that the narrator does despite said thing probably being ancient by the time Frisk falls into the underground, so is likely that, like any depress child on the age of technology, she coped by watching massive amounts of fiction. I doubt Deltarune Will be as impactfull as Undertale, but i still believe it Will be a great and amazing Game on it's own right

[@ViniciusDiasissy]

I actually headcanon Bratty and Catty were exaggerating it, we know they aren't, the brightest(catty confusing a dog for a cat), and probably were just simping for Asgore If you talk to them after defeating Asriel they'll retreat what they said about exterminating humanity, just really feels like they don't have a opnion on the war or even that they studied it much, and jjst said whatever came to mind. There are references Chara may have fell about 100 years ago, probably more, but more or less that time. (Not much proof, we only know Chara fell in 201X and Frisk later, but a bigger time skip wouldn't change much) It would just feel kinda weird if no human fell for about 1000+ years before Chara, sure, the first 100/200 or so years, humans would not want anyone close to it, war and stuff, but I don't think they could have a good reason enough after 1000+ years, with everyone that really knew what happened being dead, it doesn't really take too many generations for it just to become a legend. I really feel like they have been stuck underground for more or less 300 to 500, seems to be enough for everything to happen.

[@ViniciusDiasissy]

In the end, is just a theory. And small maybe correction, in all sprites, Chara always has brown eyes, even in the geno route. The only moment we see anything close to red eyes is in souless pacifist when Chara is possessing Frisk. But even then, It's still Frisk skin and hair colour, so I would guess if anyone would have red eyes, it would be Frisk, not Chara. Also would make sense that Kris, having Frisk skin and hair colour, and "(-_-)" face ( ( _ ) in Kris case), would also have the same eye colour that Frisk has, and we know Kris eyes are red, with could be more proof Frisk eyes are also the same colour.

[@ViniciusDiasissy]

It's just funny to imagine Chara lived to see fnaf and stuff be made, and also the creation of undertale. Or in my headcanons, "downstory" in the undertale universe. And about Chara morality, there was also that letter Asriel made, where he said about Chara wanting to be strong so no one could be hurt, strong enough so they wouldn't be hurt. With could probably put some light on what Chara was thinking at the start of the geno route

[@ViniciusDiasissy]

And while we are talking about theories, do you also think Chara would have some role in Deltarune? It doesn't have to be important, just enough to exist. I mean, I just feel like it would be unfair for Asriel to get a chance to shine without all the trauma, while Chara was forgotten (even Gaster is having ficus here) We wouldn't need to worry much about the timeline, because Deltarune timeline already doesn't follow undertale one (stuff like Asgore, Toriel and Asriel being alive when they would be old), so they being old wouldn't be a problem. I just like the theory that they're Asriel college buddy, study partner, roommate, "best friends forever", etc. And when vacation would come and Asriel saw that Chara would be alone he though of asking if they wanted to stay in hometown for a while. I just would find so cute to see both interact without being stuck underground, specially Chara with no one saying they're some prophecy angel, and having them actually grow old(and do some therapy) and interact with other people(specially humans) in a better mindspace.

[@tadeolaguarda6965]

@ViniciusDiasissy yes, that is a posibilita, Bratyband Caty are defenitly not interested in the history and is always posible that they were just wrong, it would make perfect sence if it was just a few hundredyears instead, but since 1000 or 2000 years is the only period of time we are give in Game i use 1000 as a reference just to have something solid to hold on to

[@aresrivera9744]

20:03 the difference would’ve been that they would have a seven human soul monster on their team this time. when you check Azriel at the end of the game it shows that he has infinite attack and defense and that’s only when he’s using a fraction of his power. When he goes full power frisk ,the strongest human, can’t even move or even fight anymore. So humans will get annihilated

[@shelbybayer200]

"Just because you listened to me and saved them. Doesn't mean, the Consequences of what you did in previous routes aren't still here. I'll remain here to show you that you will never forget what you did." ~ Chara, Pacifist after Genocide

[@WhoStoleKirya73]

"Don't forget, I'm with you in the dark."

[@-cj-]

This is my favorite theory video! I'm so happy you reacted to it. Not the most detailed or even the most believable, but has a lot of heart

[@imjustsomebunny]

Ooh, this has always been one of my favorite Undertale analysis videos. I'm glad you watched it!

[@alicealderman1049]

Can't wait for the reaction to part 2 of this video

[@valutakoshelok2879]

Haven't watched this video in a while, so it will be interesting to see what I can say about it. It is famous for being quite outdated, at least in how much it doesn't portray everything about chara in geno route. 23:06 - Chara, or the narrator, states the number of monsters needed to kill. I don't think one can buy the idea that Chara wasn't complicit. Most likely, Chara (possibly being in a soulless state), saw the killing of monsters as a way to cut the ties with the world. It is similar to getting power - if you eliminate the doubts, you have less restriction on yourself. Chara probably has no clear idea of the Frisk's/Player's motive, but it doesn't matter. 25:11 - We cannot use this as evidence. It is a speech bubble that waits for you to press a button to proceed. As much as this could be either, Occam's Razor likely points to this just being the code script. 36:59 - I don't really see the point in them murdering anyone. It is likely to be a reminder of the geno ending. It is supposed to be directed at the player. But it doesn't change much either way. Two pieces of analysis I want to express - one, Undertale is a spin on the RPG genre - you spend time killing villain's minions and leveling up - but UT is "An RPG where nobody has to die". Genoroute is a spin on a spin - what if we treat this world as a usual RPG, and go overcranking our LV? I think Chara is designed to represent that - they may not have been "power hungry" in life and in Pacifist route, but once Geno starts they are supposed to represent that narrative. The 9th anniversary letter confirms that Chara valued power, and that value was raised to an absolute in Geno. Second, Asriel's line about how "Chara may not have been the best person. Thing is, if Chara was intended to be a do-gooder, this line would cause dissonance in the narrative. "It's just Asriel's opinion" excuse wouldn't work, itis not just Asriel saying words - what Asriel says is what Toby wants to establish. Therefore, I'm inclined to believe they are intended to be much more reserved, and not quite redeemed. Perhaps the reason for such undecided behaviour is their last moments - Asriel betrayed the plan, sparing the humans, getting them both killed. Maybe they were in thought on whether Asriel was right, and saw Frisk/player as the one who can "answer" the question - via actions. They still hold their conviction - but when the player achieves the best ending, only then they accept the answer. After all, Chara has no intentions of revealing themselves. They helped in the fight against Asriel (because he is their childhood friend/brother)(Narrator warns us with the actual names off Asriel's attacks, likely labeled when they both were still alive). But they never truly involved themselves prior to that. Much like Asriel, the prefer to give up on appearing - it would bring more sadness than anything. (and they can't exactly force themselves to care, in their case it could be that it's an inconvenience for others to care about their fate.)

[@zerocrashmurilo]

I think chara talks in their speech about how they had no clue why they were specifically brought back but through genocide they came to one conclusion. Power, becoming as powerful as possible while the numbers get higher (might even be why they don’t like the player resetting just to kill everyone again), something I somewhat wonder though is if chara’s goal just becomes whatever the player’s goal at the time is until genocide where they become more powerful, dumb interpretation/question though (though I somewhat disagree with the Asriel opinion thing, but that’s just me and I’m stupid)

[@shelbybayer200]

This isn't a theory, it's the TRUTH The Player is the Villain

[@ioimpd9094]

The player does not exist in the canonical plot of Undertale.

[@SymphoniaFly]

@@ioimpd9094 Flowey literally talks to you directly at the end of the Pacifist route, and Chara talks to you directly in the Genocide route. The player is part of the larger metanarrative, which in Undertale is part of it's canonical plot.

[@zerocrashmurilo]

@@SymphoniaFlyhonestly the conversations you have with flowey and chara don’t get brought up nearly enough when it comes to whether the player is real, ASSUMING flowey is talking to chara (no clue how Chara would have gotten the power to reset out of nowhere) that would mean Chara is the genocidal person in the end, but chara’s dialogue through doing genocide and doing it again means and even implies that they’re talking to someone (in the second run even stating we are not the same if I recall), and I doubt they’d be talking to frisk about being partners because frisk is supposedly happy as flowey says by being in the surface

[@shelbybayer200]

WE are the True Villain of Undertale. The player has the ability to Pick between Genocide or Pacifist. And Flowey asks us to just leave everyone including Frisk alone after a Pacifist run. But, he also tells us it's possible to go back and Kill every encounter. Driving us to get Curious and Ruin the timeline because of OUR curiosity

[@Gaster60066]

the answer to the title would be human society, not even a question.

[@coolioGaming]

Can you watch the follow up video?

[@Fort_Master]

@@coolioGaming I mean people seem to want me too!

[@aresrivera9744]

9:06 which AU is this?

[@Fort_Master]

I think it was called Hellsiblings? I've only ever seen it as a comic dub on youtube, and that was years ago...

[@aresrivera9744]

@@Fort_Master found it. I read the whole thing and it actually is a prequel to Undertale . Interestingly enough.

[@shelbybayer200]

Around 1000 or 2000 years actually

[@Matthew-r5m]

i am in pain

[@tadeolaguarda6965]

Why?

[@ethanshort1192]

Could you please look at charaii5's everything wrong with undertale, it's a really funny and slightly critical look at undertale

[@alexandrugeorgianstan2919]

Masterpiece of a video

[@GedanJ]

Yes yes!

[@alexandrugeorgianstan2919]

If Chara is the narrator in Undertale , than who is the narrator in Deltarune ?

[@pristina4628]

There is speculation in genocide that after Frisk give their soul to Chara they become one in other world.And that Kris is mix of them both.Clothes,face,skin and literally their name.Frisk can be body and Chara their soul.

[@kazazalea7747]

we dont even have chapter 3 yet, theres no way of knowing all the stuff yet lol. thats like trying to guess the plot of undertale while not playing past snowdin