WHO NEEDS TWO D-pads?｜The "Cross-Up" Controller

[@NihongoGamer]

Can someone with an alpha Cross|Up test the flash kick into super and confirm whether 1, 3+jump button+kick, 1, 6+punch works? I’m pretty sure that’s what I tested but just wanna be sure I’m not remembering it incorrectly.

[@anthonyrabon5369]

@Gavin Naputi bruh no one cares, and you’re legit responding to your own comment 💀

[@mbison7combo]

Im back to this video now that capcom decided to ban these controllers that can pull down + up = up, mean while ps4 controller is broken and capcom don't say nothing lol

[@dynogems]

Fun fact: Capcom made Guile and other characters "charge" because they thought US players would find fireball and dragon punch commands too difficult.

[@vinicius464able]

there is some truth in that

[@rainer9931]

Na bro charge is so much harder

[@WOLFGANG1125]

I find charge motions harder than regular inputs

[@BboyTurok1990]

Yeah the charge buttons is way harder.

[@aplsed]

Kind of ass-backwards since some find the shotos easier than the charge characters anyway

[@novikovPrinciple]

It's funny how it's almost like this company that makes specialty FGC equipment sets "what's likely to fall under intense scrutiny in the FGC" as the Square Zero of its drawing board.

[@NihongoGamer]

Everybody needs a hobby ;)

[@Threads_Of_Fate]

FGC have a lot of salty members that will blame anyone and anything but themselves for losing, so it's not surprising. I reality most FG players don't care, hell I think input cleaning is actually the most questionable thing they have done as their is software fundamentally changing your inputs for you. That being said I believe input cleaning was requested by the FGC to make the stick "fairer" as some older FGs don't clean inputs on their end as they assumed the controller would never be able to press 2 opposing directions at the same time and can give an unfair advantage with the glitches/exploits it causes. That being said afaik keyboard players don't have to clean their inputs so consistency clearly isn't a priority for TOs.

[@AL2009man]

in wake of Back Button/Paddles (like Xbox Elite Controllers, Dualshock 4 Back Button Attachment and Steam Controller) for newer Controllers, I wonder if FGC community will have to adapt to this sort of change.

[@plow9719]

free marketing

[@KindOldRaven]

@@Threads_Of_Fate I don't think many of the games where those exploits work support keyboards - so you probably won't see that happening much in tournaments. And almost all modern games have a form of input cleaning built in as left + right = neutral and up + down = usually neutral, sometimes up.

[@LeonidThe90sKid]

Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should.

[@josepartida1711]

nice lol

[@jasonj3090]

As a dpad user, these videos always make me feel like I'm missing out on something. Being stuck at home, maybe a good time to try an arcade stick.

[@edgarup0]

I went from pad to fighstick to hitbox, and I feel every change has been for the better. I suggest you to go directly to hitbox.

[@polakuu]

@@edgarup0 both fightstick and hitbox have advantages and disadvantages.

[@polakuu]

that's a good idea.. I think arcade/fightstick is more fun than pad and also puts less strain on my hands. personally I want to build something called Slimbox (search on reddit), 24mm buttons, removable stick with hitbox buttons above the stick. 😎

[@edgarup0]

@@polakuu I think the cross up is better than option than the slimbox.

[@polakuu]

@@edgarup0 depends on your needs, there's no better or best choice.. I'm still debating if it's the better choice for me... but hitbox buttons on the right feel unnatural to me! printed it out on paper and tried it out. especially with 30mm buttons it feels way too big! with the Slimbox you have both a hitbox and stick individually, no other controller or layout can do that.

[@amirjubran1845]

My wonder is if Capcom balanced Guile with the DualShock4 in mind, or a standard arcade stick. If it's the latter why not just force the DS4 users to choose either analog or Dpad? Would be a clean and quick way to put this controversy to bed. It is almost as if Capcom wants companies like HitBox to bend the rules with products like this.

[@Biggiejohn]

Guile was created in SF 2. Everything was created for the arcade cabinets in mind. However through all of gaming history there are developers and their intentions, and then there are gamers and their desire for fun/competitive gameplay. When it comes to having a game register your inputs as clearly as possible it is never a bad thing. This would only be bad if they started having 1 button do more than a single input. If the FGC keeps stopping input growth the scene will die over time. The PC has gone through this issue the entire span of gaming. People wanted to complain about pads/input remapping/macros. In the end Developers only restricted/punished multi macro inputs. They all continued to allow input remapping. Input mapping and layout distribution is on the consumer end. It is not a developers responsibility to tell us how to play on our end input.

[@hippopilot6750]

I believe controllers like the Cross|Up, Hitbox, Mixbox and Smashbox will bring in a new era of fighting games and create new styles of play for previous titles. They may do things that a standard controller couldn't, but that's evolution. We used to not even have bumpers, let alone analog triggers on controllers. Dribbling in basket ball was originally a loophole many called illegal. Move cancelling, frame advantage, Korean backdash, infinites, wave dashing; they all have routes in experimentation and exploitation of the system. Some people still call gyro aiming cheating! Not only do these new controllers explore and expand the mechanics in fighting games, they build up the community. Why should you purposely hold yourself back in the interest of "fairness"? It's like using a bicycle for a dirtbike race. Walk into the new light that is the FGC!

[@dontneedtoknow9629]

This is not the same as dribbling, which didn't increase monetary barrier of entry (gotta buy new stick to be able to do these techs). When these techniques transform from a small cheat to a must, no one will want to play as there isn't an even playing field and buying a stick that costs as much as 3-4 AAA games just to play fighting games will never be feasible for casuals. It's the same thing why coaching in competitive e-sport is such a controversial subject, as it means that competitive and casual are not even the same game, as opposed to competitive being same game just pushed to its limits. I'm not vehemently opposed to this stick as the shortcuts you can get already exists as macros. As long as offline still reigns supreme a lot of these things will be online tech only. But TO's and game devs will have to set rules for how they want their game to be played, as these will become more and more popular.

[@randomdude5430]

@@dontneedtoknow9629 Wouldnt you just be able to use any computer keyboard? Isn't this literally the hitbox?

[@dontneedtoknow9629]

@@randomdude5430 Well, it's not afaik. Hitbox emulates only the d-pad, while Cross|Up you can input movement input with buttons/stick by emulating the d-pad and the joystick, so they're not the same at all. It could be said that functionally, Cross Up is Hitbox with more features added. With that said, it would be a fool errand to straight up ban these controllers in already small community like FGC. What needs to happen though is regulation of what is and isn't allowed in tournaments.

[@shakyor875]

@@dontneedtoknow9629 it doesn't, use a keyboard lmao, it actually lowers the barrier coz you dont need an expensive stick

[@dontneedtoknow9629]

@@shakyor875 Current HitBox goes for 249$, unless you're talking about cheap custom leverless controller (which sticks also have plenty) then both devices are in higher price range compared to a regular game pad.

[@macsmit7302]

SOCD should be handled either by the game or the OS, not the hardware you're using to create those inputs.

[@theintrinsicnerd6977]

Arguably, the SOCD cleaning the device does is less beneficial than the in game SOCD cleaning, at least with his example. What about for old games that never considered socd? Should we just ban hitbox and pad for them?

[@mikejonesnoreally]

Like I've said before, I Don't think Skipping Neutral is part of Street Fighter, but I temper that with the belief that if this increases accessibility and let's more people enjoy Street Fighter that really couldn't, then that is more important. With stuff like the dual shock and the all button sticks, I Don't really take competition that serious anyway. It's *endlessly* entertaining but Cosmically irrelevant.

[@erikhernandez3608]

Can you make a video on the legality of fight sticks/ controllers used in tournaments?

[@KindOldRaven]

Would be an interesting topic for sure.

[@vicovico9999]

I hit the like button as quick as physically possible

[@SeafoamSmiles]

I wonder what it would be like to do the SFV Shoryuken shortcut input on this controller. Could you just double tap the Down and Forward button inputs with a punch and have it come out?

[@Se7enRemain]

That's actually a really interesting question! I dont have an answer or anything, I never tried it when I had a hitbox in my lap; but I wonder if it would even be worth it for how easy specials already are with WASD-esq. Movement buttons

[@sparrow650]

[It’s an] Innovative design, if not a bit clunky. I personally find the original hitbox concept more elegant, and conventional sticks more fun. As far as legality, so long as it does not provide a function that cannot be performed on a Sony controller, I have no problem. However, devices having more than one set of controls for movement does, at least in my view, step beyond the original concept for movement in fighting games. And since the standard Sony controller is such a device, and must be permitted for use, it and devices with similar functionality present our current conundrum. Perhaps the solution, if one is demanded, ought to be approached from the other side of the equation, on the software side. If we are meant to play the game with one set of movement controls, would it not be simpler for the games to include a toggle option (in the menus) to select EITHER D-pad OR analog stick for inputs? This would restore the original concept for movement, and the additional coding required seems minimal. Even if it wasn’t easy to implement the software change, I believe it would be worth the trouble, and should go a long way to level the playing field and appease those opposed to devices with multiple movement controls, including the Sony controller.

[@NihongoGamer]

I think this is a very reasonable solution. The only trouble is that many people practiced and learned the game with these analog stick tricks and used them in tournament for 3-4 years so even if the option were made available, seems unfair to enforce a one-movement-input-device-only policy I guess

[@pb879]

@@NihongoGamer it's not unfair. These type of controllers and pads should be banned. Everyone should be using an akekon on equal grounds. This way nobody has an advantage over anyone.

[@rauschka3395]

Being able to do an instant forward forward motion in Tekken 7 consistently is advantageous in doing specific punishes that are frame perfect.

[@OrionTekken]

This controller is seriously broken for Tekken. You can electric really easily. Just input forward and then down on the stick then press f+2 with buttons.

[@meljXD2]

Essentially eliminates the need for a dash button, reminds me of that time tokido got into some trouble for having a macro up so he can do akuma ultra 2 easier. The jump button tech is pretty great though

[@Ronin-0811]

Me: WTF Also me: I need it , I really need it!

[@earthbound2772]

We need a two joy stick pad so we can legit play all console games on it

[@Micmeat]

I feel like for these sticks to be legal, both movement options should be on the left side of the stick, unless of course it’s a southpaw stick

[@Ichithix]

I suspect that this is an input device with a limited lifespan, I think going forward at least some fighting game developers are going to force the player to choose between d-pad and analog input.

[@Biggiejohn]

And they will pay for it in the long haul, this is innovation for no loss. PC gaming has been fighting over input devices for decades already. They restrict anything but keyboard and mouse on pc only games, however all non live tournaments you can use choice input devices. Cleaner inputs is not a bad thing.

[@SirCharles.]

There's a few different types of SOCD, the most common one (used on Hitbox/Cross-up) is: L+R=N, U+D=U; the DS4 uses last input priority: L+R=R, U+D=D. The common neutral type has a lot of general tech, and the last input type is typically better for charge characters. All of the Brook Fighting Boards have SOCD built-in and can even switch between these two types. But tournaments have their own rules about all this, so I think most people wouldn't want to waste effort learning a certain type of SOCD if it's not gonna be allowed.

[@cornyhole]

I havent played fighting games in years and now since I've stumbled on this channel 2 days ago I bought an arcade stick controller and a few fighting games to go with it lol

[@carloz28]

This controller is made for Guile players...especially the boom spammers, and also because Guile is the ONLY character that has a charged super in SFV. His CA Cancel from Flash kick is one of the most difficult execution in the history of SF, how I wished the change his CA motion to double hadoken motion like Remy’s from 3rd strike. Characters like Vega, Bison, Balrog, Blanka and Honda have all their CA motion changed so the moment Capcom change the CA motion for Guile, this controller will be rendered useless.

[@Afr0Thund3r]

Most difficult execution in the history of SF? It's just down back, up forward, kick, back, forward, PPP. Please don't speak in absolutes

[@carloz28]

@@Afr0Thund3r It's easy if you just do the raw CA, but its entirely different ball game if you are cancelling it from a flash kick, especially with joy stick. You have to buffer the charge or else it won't work. No need to sound like a douche here

[@RubbinRobbin]

Game wasn't designed to do sonic booms like that. Game AI in 1990 SF II: shoots 20 sonic booms in under a second.

[@Nur_Lmz]

Played Street fighter for the first time on video game . The one with motherboard looking strip which goes into the box . That was like 10-11 years ago. I just learned today that character is called " Gaail " I always called him " guuee Lee "😂😂

[@Ayyem93]

I think it would help a ton to know what Capcoms intentions were in allowing dpad and stick to be used, if it even was intentional. I don't imagine they wouldn't have considered someone who's good enough being able to do absurd things with charge characters

[@GlitchedVision]

I found your channel as I was interested in the MixBox, and still want one but it's just so expensive. To be honest, it should depend on a player's personal preference. Ultimately, game devs should be the deciding factor on how their games should be played. If Capcom wanted to use true neutral SOCD they would set it in the coding of the game. Since they didn't, I don't see why last win should be a problem. I get that it reduces execution barriers for some motions, but that just makes it possible for more players to perform the motions required for high level play. Being able to execute a move or combo doesn't tell you wether you should execute said move or combo, you still need the hours in the training room pouring over frame data and practicing the timings to master your chosen fighter. On top of this, each control method offers unique benefits, such as sticks being better for 360 motions. Ultimately, if I could carry one controller that would let me switch between a 360 character and a shoto then I would be happy. As a side note to this comment, I'm familiar with all forms of control, pads, sticks, and even just bare PC keyboard. I personally prefer buttons for directions as I don't play 360 characters and like the precision inputs offered by things like the mixbox and hit box. Ultimately, this changes the barrier to entry from execution to character knowledge and frame data, which in my opinion, is a good thing for the FGC as a whole. We need fresh faces and that won't happen unless we tackle the complexities of these execution barriers that so many people can't wrap their heads around.

[@XionicalXionical]

As you said, that gear is expensive. Good luck playing games that make you godlike cause of the controller, without it you will be at a major disadvantage. That being said I bought a crossup.

[@dominicistheking]

A mvc3 champion named ig full schedule had one of these 10 years ago. He won major tournaments with it. Im suprised someone just now decided to mass produce ig full schedules modded stick design

[@Hotobu]

That was 2014

[@nixiefanaccount]

man, it kinda sucks seeing people trying to imediately ban it. to me it seems like a nice concept and i hope more companies would try stuff like this.

[@NastyKugogo]

Well you have a point there but for me is just broken

[@Omegafighter]

This new stick should be banned in tournaments. Particularly in Tekken you can actually do things that are impossible with a normal stick. The best example of this is sidestepping into the foreground while crouching. Just this mechanic alone changes a lot of matchups.

[@jantran5349]

well its a 2 in 1 controller, its valuable, only ban if you play a Mishima ;)

[@animatekkaos2243]

You can do that with an hitbox too.. However, the point to me is that if a new device comes out, and cross the limits that someone can reach with an older device, that actually put new limits on the map, that should force players to start using the new device, in order to push the limits farther, and so on.. Immagine how more complex the games could become, if only everybody could accept the new devices, and push their limits over the top, to reach a new standard..

[@pachicore]

@@animatekkaos2243 people who are tight on money wouldn't be able to buy controllers for hundreds of dollars whenever a new one comes out. Also it isn't really fair for everyone to have to change to a new controller to keep up when they got used to what they use

[@pachicore]

@KyokaXSuigetsu yeah since gamepads are allowed these should be too because you can do similar stuff on a gamepad

[@scarffoxandfriends9401]

Other Sports updated their equipment throughout the ages as people where able to improve on designs. Yah people have been using the traditional design since the 90's, but we know now it's not an optimal design and could be improve, so why don't we allow for that improvement to happen. It wouldn't just be for pulling certain moves off easier, but it also would allow the devs themselves to make unique inputs that they where never able to do before when coming up with new ideas for new characters/mechanics.

[@pachicore]

Or they could just update it and have their own sodc, boom $200 wasted on a normal controller

[@KindOldRaven]

Actually an analog stick this size could be much more precise than one that only uses your thumb. It's kind of the whole low vs high sensitivity thing and exactly why many shooter players lengthen their analog sticks. More accuracy. Especially if you can use basically a combination of fingers wrist and shoulder that's pretty interesting. A joystick (yes, the one for flight sims) can also be used much, much, much more accurately than any controller analog stick, just to draw an example.

[@gardevoirdude7493]

playing any shooter with any analog stick is a joke, always will be

[@YXiao]

I personally look forward to this control only because I want to try if I can do some combos with just my right hand. Provided I have the money for it when released, that it.

[@killaken2000]

L+R=R used to work on keyboard in SFV (I used to use it to practice hitbox to see how it would feel) but in SF6 SOCD resolution is now L+R=Neutral in the SF6 software.

[@dpokan]

If the crossup is built with a Brooks board you can change the socd cleaner behavior so you could do keep hold back, tap forward+ punch, keep holdings back to block. But you lose the hit box dash.

[@baka_ja_nai]

Banned in every tournament in 3, 2, 1...

[@SkyreeXScalabar]

it's legal, they wouldn't bother making it if it wasn't

[@scarffoxandfriends9401]

I think just like how other sports have adopted new equipment as time went on, video games should do the same. If a better design has come out, I think more companies should start adopting it as oppose of everyone trying to ban it.

[@mikejonesnoreally]

@@scarffoxandfriends9401 Sure just like it did for the popularity of Archery. Oh wait. I guess people Don't think It's that impressive when It's just a matter of who can afford a laser scope. Spectators Don't really think that deeply about this stuff.

[@scarffoxandfriends9401]

@@mikejonesnoreally last time I check the bows used in Olympic archery are not the same bows people where using even in the early 1900's, I wouldn't be surprise if you made that comment without knowing the development of competitive Bows. The laser scope comparison would be closer to using a setup that'll auto complete a combo for you at a push of a button. An improved input format would be closer to the improved counterweight and compact systems Bows have developed over time to help Archers make the shot they want at the speed that they want.

[@Jimmy0442]

It's already legal for Evo

[@Dazza-ut1hw]

Wouldn't airdashing be significantly easier with this?

[@NoobQQMoar]

Yeah, that's why I swiched from my arcade stick to using keyboard. Can't wait to get my hitbox

[@nomex8461]

Awesome video. I wonder if using the PS back button attachment is okay? I can program the back buttons with directional inputs as well.

[@NihongoGamer]

not sure. I haven't heard any new regulations being announced for ds4 back buttons

[@tehmoriz]

@13:18 i disagree, because SFV has SOCD cleaning built in. if you play on PC with a keyboard (or PS4 with a DS4), the game will force whatever you're using to these SOCD rules: forward priority, and up priority. these are obviously deliberate choices on the part of the developers, and if they didn't want the game/character to behave this way, they'd develop different SOCD rules.

[@StefanGenov7]

Thank you very much I learn something very cool today.

[@kyril98741]

I hope they give it to daigo as part of promotion . He is currently playing with guile and kage...

[@GZCoo]

didn't we had this video already? i have a really big deja vu right now.

[@teiten3806]

Maybe you’re thinking about his hit-box video ?

[@GZCoo]

@@teiten3806 oh yeah that was it, i mean the setup is like kinda the same. Its about guile and his sonic boom, and at the presentatio its the same guy and all.

[@jaredsamane5660]

I don't really mind playing with or against this controller, but this is a clear upgrade to a stick controller if this can be used for tournaments because of the precision this controller provides, it probably surpasses the precision of a keyboard input or mixbox playing Tekken on this controller on an optimal level will give a very big difference from a normal stick gameplay

[@masonlee5453]

So....... what happens if you run a hitbox with a magenta stick? Isn't that technically an analog stick with directional buttons? Is that not essentially an official gamepad? Alternatively, what if you rewired or reprogramed your left analog stick to the right analog stick on a pad so that it's more "reachable" Is this legal? If controls cannot be mapped to more comfortable or less awkward areas, then how do you explain the premise of trigger buttons?

[@simurghthepersian7220]

ban it! BAN IT! BAN NOOOOOW! MY LITTLE BROTHER CAN DO ELECTRIC WITH THAT 10 TIMES IN THE ROW!

[@Spinozin]

That set up worked on tekken 6 / tag 2 on xbox 360 with both analog sticks, Namco allowed it then

[@serpykologicl5871]

I thought it said who needs two dads

[@NihongoGamer]

This comment ROCKs

[@josec.6394]

Giorno Giovanna! (Forgive me for the bad joke)

[@xaxapnw]

if you ca do all those things and more on a pad, why should there be any controversy about this stick? Because its laid out differently?

[@RFLCPTR]

Yes, it makes it way easier and practical.

[@tungtung2728]

Everyone can be good player now

[@Zx14rrrrrrrrrrr]

Daigo will use this

[@littlerunawaybryde7088]

couldn't they put the d-pad on the stick itself instead of along side the other buttons on the controller?

[@Cezkarma]

how tf would they get that right..?

[@wquitw0727]

hope it doesnt get banned,cause it s literally a masterpiece,covering the weakness of both the stick and the pad,but it definitely requires crazy practice to learn it properly,and not just use it to facilitate ewgf on tekken and charges on sfv

[@fgc-linux1650]

If you need something like this to PEWGF, then you are a scrub. These things are for people with piss poor execution.

[@scarffoxandfriends9401]

@@fgc-linux1650 your comment makes you sound salty.

[@mikejonesnoreally]

@@scarffoxandfriends9401 An your repeated defense makes YOU sound like an employee. Does no one see both sides? Rhetorical.

[@fgc-linux1650]

@@scarffoxandfriends9401 This comment confirms you are one of those scrubs.

[@scarffoxandfriends9401]

@@mikejonesnoreally not really, an employee would stress to buy from a specific company. I would like to see the industry as a whole start improving on their designs. Really the first major step of this happening is if the Arcade cabinets themselves develop a new layout.

[@cashbag]

If it did not have SOCD cleaning this would be an actual Cheatbox. It still is tbh lol.

[@TheFrenchy82]

Interesting evolution.... Is it better ?? Time will tell......

[@jordantaylorwilliams8227]

there should be a rule that LS and Dpad controls has to be on the same side of the controller

[@HKHKSON]

If that can be used in tournament, garfro hitbox should be able to use too.

[@stathi19]

How sick

[@OnlyLiarGameFan]

13:31 Um actually, Guile shoot Sickles from his fist. 🤓

[@wasabinator]

Surely the games can be coded to prevent this being possible

[@chibisf4]

Capcom could easily fix this if they force the Player to choose between analog stick and dpad.

[@Need_A_New_Game]

@@chibisf4 horrible idea many players switch between the two or use both since some combos are easier to do with one or the other some people start a combo with the stick and finish with the pad or vise versa

[@NoobQQMoar]

TLDR: if games devs don't want this to work it would be easy for them . They do to some extent, it's called SOCD. For example if I am not mistaken in SFV if you use the dpad and the stick for certain directional combinations the dpad wins, it is basically a priority system.

[@danielburnedead5909]

Is it comfortable in your hands ? Should mixbox users switch to the normal hitbox or this ? I'm leaning more to the normal hitbox but this looks slick

[@NihongoGamer]

I didn’t use it for long enough to judge. Felt as comfortable as any normal stick but I didn’t have much opportunity to try a long session with lots of upper row button usage.

[@NihongoGamer]

And about mixbox, that’s purely preference I think. Both have their unique benefits

[@luckysgi-5karrow378]

Hold on, put the HitBox aside for a moment. Is any of the simultaneous d-pad + left stick methods on DualShock4 tournament legal? Are there tournaments who will DQ players for using their DS4 like that?

[@JerryOhh]

do you have a fight stick when pressing button light will be on??

[@boymoontube]

Which joystick controller is good for arcade shooting games?

[@NihongoGamer]

Any arcade stick would work but it’s worth considering switching the square gate for a “circular” or “octagonal” gate depending on ur preference.

[@boymoontube]

NihongoGamer Thank you, that’s very helpful! Now I must do some shopping!

[@mikejonesnoreally]

Do we not have light guns anymore? Screw RE7, Gimmie Umbrella Chronicles! 🤗

[@iiahahybilaash9434]

@@boymoontube crazy you asked the same thing I was wondering hit box or cross would work for FPS like cod, wz etc lmk which one you invested in.

[@anivel145]

That’s so good

[@KazanmaTheSilverWind]

Is it possible to map the D-pad buttons for attacks? Like having Dust in GG+R on the Down button

[@NihongoGamer]

depends on the game settings. Generally speaking having multiple buttons for single attacks is not allowed in most tournaments

[@KazanmaTheSilverWind]

@@NihongoGamer is there any programming so i could switch buttons around on the controller itself? Like switching the D Pad & L3/R3/Back/Share buttons?

[@gillall4828]

Respect the rules! This is like Olympics with steroids. But this is cool! :P

[@ello20000]

Which Asus monitor is that please? :)

[@iSkitzo]

This is like the same concept of Daigo's banned hitbox. Of course they'll ban this

[@Hotobu]

Because the directional buttons are separate the exact same thing can be done on Hitbox.

[@DeadHix]

I don't understand the part you talked about the joystick being the analog stick. I am planning to get one and replace the joystick with a WASD set up because of my wrist pain. Will that still be tournament legal under 1 d pad and 1 analog stick major tournament rules?

[@NihongoGamer]

I’d need to double check the rules but I’m pretty sure u can only have one button per direction in addition to an analog stick.

[@DeadHix]

@@NihongoGamer Thanks for the reply. In that case I might have to reconsider cross up. If you happen to be able to confirm the rule, please let me know. I'll really appreciate it.

[@leo2268715]

Hitbox should change their company name into “Guilebuff”

[@carlosbarreto4695]

Nah, it's just that you don't see how it benefits other characters as well.

[@joelstatosky1817]

So it literally solves all the issues that the hit box has by adding a joystick.

[@armandohernandez1879]

Omg! I want does sony headphones soooo baddd! Hdr A1

[@Thalanox]

What's the functional difference between an analogue stick that looks like a normal joystick, and just a normal joystick?

[@no_nameyouknow]

None for fighting games. Basically, as he said in the video, analogue has a varying levels of directions. So slightly pushing left in a game might make you walk and pushing it all the way will make you run. Digital input is just left on or left off, there is just a button that the joystick presses when you push it left.

[@teiten3806]

It’s just about how the game treats it, most fighting game make them have the same fonction so it doesn’t really matter but for competitive purpose we regulate the controler according to certain standard. Since most tournament ban controler with multiple time the same bouton (like Having 3 square bouton on a controler) for fairness purpose. The mix box get away by making the stick an analogue joystick input and the direction bouton d-pad input

[@scarffoxandfriends9401]

Play mario 64, then play Mario 64 DS and you'll have a good understanding of the difference between a Joy-Stick (same limitations as a D-Pad) and a Analog Stick.

[@zayelaki4457]

@@no_nameyouknow @thalanox The only fighting game I know of that takes advantage of analog sticks are platform fighters (Smash Bros., Rival of Aether).

[@Azyndevil5]

This looks like the smash stick that was under development for smash ultimate.......

[@p99chan99]

I'm just curious, who is this made for?

[@aquilesca5tr0]

cheaters

[@p99chan99]

@@aquilesca5tr0 Makes sense

[@carlosbarreto4695]

​@@p99chan99For people who want the benefits of a Hitbox but keep playing with a fightstick.

[@Fernando.Eletrica]

Qual sua preferencia sanwa ou seimitsu..?

[@FrogImperium]

Why do you have many videos of you playing the mixbox at home, but no videos of you playing the hitbox at home (only a demo)? I would love to hear your opinions about the vanilla hitbox...

[@NihongoGamer]

Because I don’t have one

[@FrogImperium]

@@NihongoGamer Ah, so do you prefer using arcade stick over hitbox?

[@NihongoGamer]

Lol I simply haven’t bought one yet :) I’ll probably get one eventually but arcade stick is what got me interested in the genre originally

[@blainestevens6701]

NihongoGamer Hey, bud! It’s the same Blaine from Twitter. You planning on getting a Cross Up, maybe? If they switch up the button layout I’d heartily recommend! Especially having the ability to play straight to Switch or PS4. I’m currently using a brook adapter to make mine work with the Xbox. But having a switch on the side to dictate the layout between Smash tilts and everything else is nice.

[@mikejonesnoreally]

@@NihongoGamer I prefer Arcade Stick too but what is the difference between a hitbox and a mixbox?

[@sigma20xx]

I don't think a controller that allows for opposing simultaneous directional inputs should be allowed. Yes I'm aware that the PS4 dualshock allows for it, but it's impractical. Whereas this controller makes easily possible.

[@frankcastle6459]

What kind of buttons are on your fightstick???

[@unsolol]

not from the FGC just looking for a stick but is the hole spirit of execution not gone from a charge charackter .. if we already play around how to charge .. why not just make a button x) i feel like its cheating and the personality of the char is gone .. else just in generel make hadoken s instead of charging charackters .. there is no reason to have charge inputs in the future if this becomes the norm, i dont know :) just how i feel about it.

[@rbgsilverain]

Have you played Kill la kill game yet ?

[@sarethums]

Can you not swap the analogues in the ps menu?

[@BabyBoyJr.]

If i switch the left analog stick with the right stick on the ds4 then guile will be much easier.

[@salemrashed1]

I feel it's unfair cause the original design of the game didn't had in mind the different types of controls this will affect the characters behavior when deciding the balance of the characters power level

[@jek5568]

Why did they make a cross up shouldnt they already be able to do this with theirs original hitbox?

[@Cezkarma]

He literally said in the video that it's for people who like the feel of a stick but still want the stuff you can do on a hitbox but not on a stick

[@charliechuckleberry5307]

Except for one problem: the joystick is NOT analog. Therefore it is not emulating the exact same thing as the official PS4 joystick. Also, I don't like giving people the freedom to modify joysticks freely, because it creates a pay2win advantage situation. EDIT: Just to clarify, claiming it is analog is not the same thing as proving it is analog. I've seen several videos and it is mechanically built the exact same way as the Arcade Joystick; but with emulated analog inputs. It will never be able to do anything that a REAL analog stick can do.

[@leinadsuperstriker731]

where to buy hitbox cross up

[@CrowwreakStevenson]

can you imagine the absolute dumpster fire of a flame war if this doesn't get banned for Tekken?

[@mbison7combo]

Im back to this video now that capcom decided to ban these controllers that can pull down + up = up, mean while ps4 controller is broken and capcom don't say nothing lol

[@anyamargaux858]

I think you'll still never have a chance of winning if you have that .... When your challenger is very good ...

[@grapechu5358]

I need it for monster hunter

[@KewlAlexYT]

Personally id be embarrassed to show up to a tournament with this...

[@loque69]

And lose 😅

[@terror4310]

This is a big no for me if no more big risky execution moves because of a controller yeah no

[@Pandashoestreams]

Bro what that outro song

[@epicon6]

Why not add extra buttons that do difficult moves automatically like electric god fists.. This should be banned from all tournaments and games should be set to use just one directional input, d-pad, or joystick

[@gomethrius]

Bottom line.... these controllers don’t play the game for you. They are just the connection between you and the game. They don’t play neutral for you, they don’t anti-air for you... you still have to make the decisions that help you best your opponent!!

[@bugglemagnum6213]

Because they take longer to do the same input.... Fair

[@javjuegos_8917]

@@bugglemagnum6213 How is throwing random summersaults on neutral lmao

[@edgarup0]

The cross up is amazing but they should make a version with 24 mm buttons just like the hitbox it is more ergonomic specially since the cross up has extra buttons, and another thing is allow to change the socd to act like a normal ps4 controller.

[@bluewolf8873]

..... The hitbox was nothing more than a giant d-pad... And with this new hitbox contraption it just leaves me asking: why not just use a controller?

[@Cezkarma]

Because people may prefer the layout..? That's a weird question

[@bluewolf8873]

@@Cezkarma my point is precision and speed in a fighting game.... Not really a weird question.

[@ryuso3406]

you should see my guile in sf4 on 3ds even i dont played that skill-less game

[@x.a.n.a.9397]

Hey can you tell hit box to make an arcade stick with a 3ds thumb pad for right analogue stick so I could play games like assassin creed with an arcade stick or do a thing where you have two stick like flight simulator games and put Buttons in the flight stick while the left hand is an arcade stick. Thanks

[@midnightgreen20]

This is taking away the execution barrier in fighting games. And I don't understand why people would want that? People will say that the decision making is the most important thing, and so we should try to neuter execution to where you only lose to poor decisions. But it takes an even greater level of skill to make the right decisions AND pull off moves/combos during those clutch moments. Lowering the skill ceiling is only going to lead to a more apathetic FGC and a crowd that won't be as hype as it once was.