Who's the Winner? Staccato P vs Oracle Arms 2311

[@PaulFrancisAAA]

Two things... 1) The Staccato P is approved by over 1500 departments (not the 300 you stated in the video). Source: Staccato > Stories > Law Enforcement > Reliability 2) You made it appear as if an Optic Adapter Plate comes with the pistol. It does not. The P only comes with an optics cover plate. If you spec your optic while ordering from the Staccato site, the additional price of the optic adapter plate is rolled in to the add-on price of the optic selected. If you order the RMR, the price is $650 ($500 for the RMR and $150 for the adapter plate). When viewing base models at your FFL, they are displayed only with cover plates and usually there is a display off to the side with various optic adapter plates available for separate purchase ranging from $150-170. Aside from those two items... The review is pretty much on point.

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

Great, thanks for the info!

[@James_the_not_so_magnificent]

LE purchases come with the RMR optic plate at no extra cost. I've got three, no added cost. Plus, Staccato will loan a pistol to replace a pistol used and taken as evidence in a duty shooting. You can't beat that if you're LE.

[@mjk4378]

Staccato has wonderful service when it comes to sending gun in for warranty work. Got mine back in a week. Even got a threaded barrel fitted and was back in a week as well.

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

That’s awesome! Glad to hear it!

[@packerjansen12]

Staccato P is Approved by 1300 + departments actually! Love mine.

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

Great!

[@PaulFrancisAAA]

Incorrect. The Staccato P is approved by over 1500 departments. Source: Staccato > Stories > Reliability

[@TacticallyFitOfficial]

@@PaulFrancisAAA don’t get too worked up on this dude. Looks like you’ve said it multiple times in the comment section 😂

[@PaulFrancisAAA]

@@TacticallyFitOfficial Correcting disinfo is never a bad thing.

[@Balticblue93]

@@packerjansen12 They might be approved for use in those departments but I only know of the US Marshals that can get them issued. I am not aware of any other department doing so. The officer themselves have to get written permission to carry their own personal firearm that they purchased themselves. I would certainly like to see this list of 1500 departments. None of the major Federal Government branches like the FBI, CBI, etc etc issue or approve of Staccato firearms to be carried on duty. Maybe SWAT or any Major crimes unit, but I know LAPD and Denver PD for sure doesn’t allow it. A very good firearm but not remotely as reliable as the approved firearms on the FBI, CBP, CIA, Secret Service lists of duty firearms etc. I am not aware of one SF branch using or carrying Staccatos. They are not battle tested or approved. I am an Advanced Glock armorer and a majority of police officers don’t even know how to disassemble, clean and lubricate their Glocks, let alone put them back together. Spring’s are flying all over the place and losing parts in an armorer class. So, the idea that officers are shelling out $3000 including light and Red dot for a Staccato P is very unlikely. To this day, I have never met an officer carrying a Staccato. I have met some that owned a Staccato but not for EDC duty usage. If any officers on this thread reads this, please comment your experience and what you carry. Thank you!

[@Scarlett0311]

Extremely solid and thorough review brother !

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

Thank you!

[@thegreenberetlife0191]

The Oracle Defense 2311 is a really interesting gun, hope it takes off!

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

For sure!

[@TAT760]

Really liking how the new 2311 compact can come ported and it’s still a little bit cheaper than staccato

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

For sure!

[@c.edwardbrice3470]

Great vid. Been waiting this review and comparison. I have a Staccato P and a 2311 Pro Compact on the way. So looking forward to compare the two myself.

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

Both of them are really good. The 2311s are sweet and have really grown on me.

[@ZensivYT]

Which do you prefer?

[@Balticblue93]

@@ZensivYT I am not the OP but I sold my Staccato P after I ran my Platypus custom ordered double stack 1911. I kept my XC but the 2311 Pro Compact Ported Plus is so nice and no grip safety. It shoots better than the P. I do not EDC any firearm with an external safety. Even at the range, I might put the safety on holstering it but click the safety off once it’s seated. I would love a 2311 or 2011 with no external safeties. I don’t appendix carry and my EDC firearms don’t have external safeties.

[@jeffreydietz8339]

As always great video perfect video for me I just purchased a Staccato P and followed it up with an order for the new OA Compact Pro, I'm feeling happy with my choices! You cant wrong with any of there firearms. Keep up the great reviews and providing information your one of the best ones out there.

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

Hell yeah! Happy to hear that! We appreciate the support and enjoy those awesome pistols! Let us know how they shoot!

[@mjk4378]

For anyone who doesn't know about Staccato Optic/ plates. The Delta Point Pro bolts up directly to slide. So all you need is the rear site. For any other optic, you will need to take that rear sight off and use an optic plate.

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

Great

[@Thomas-vt7cz]

You made my day bruh... I love my Staccato P...Good comparison, Nice job... You brought up a couple of my concerns i have with the P and that is reaching the mag release and slide stop/release. Working on quick one hand adjustments getting better at it...😎

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

Awesome!

[@brianbaker5860]

It did seem like the recoil impulse was lighter for sure on STI. You werent bouncing as hard. Thanks for review.

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

You are welcome!

[@valentinomariani5739]

Very nice comparison. I think that the 2311 grab the good from the 1911/2011 and reject all the old garbage nonsense like the extractor, the grip safety and the ridiculous expensive magazines without mentioning the fact that she doesn't need hand fitting, that is mandatory for a good reliable 1911/2011. The old reliable is dead. Long life to the new reliable

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

Thank you!

[@The2AExperiment]

Another great video. It's always good to compare a new firearm to the "standard". I really want to see a comparison between the Platypus and the 2311. We cannot afford to do the review ourselves. Lol. Damn Walther SF and upgrades used up our budget. Either way, those two are using non-2011 mags, so it seems like they would be an interesting comparison.

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

It would be! I wish we could get one in a timely manner or if someone in that company would answer emails or the phone 😂 Thanks for watching! And for the support! Those Walther steel frames are sweet!

[@joebledea]

You should definitely try a bul armory 2011! It's Staccato P performance for less!

[@heliowolf5042]

I know 2011s can have issues in adverse conditions. I would love to see the 2311 tested against the Staccato P for relaibility in dust, mud and sand.

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

I think the 2311 would win.

[@PaulFrancisAAA]

You can do something much easier than that. Put the P up against any 9mm Glock with 3K of ammo on the table for each pistol. No adding lube and no stopping to clean. 1911/2011s are sweet shooters but they need to be well lubed... and well lubed OFTEN (compared to Glocks). For what is is worth, I own a Staccato P, I'm not a Glock fanboy trying to stir the pot.

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

@@PaulFrancisAAA you are right! Couldn’t agree more! 💪

[@BrandonD]

You gotta compare the LFA Apollo 11 compact. For $1000 it def competes and extremely reliable , butter slide and flat as the higher priced competition

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

Having felt that pistol at SHOT and in action there. It does not compete with either of these. It’s inline with the prodigy, but if we can get one to review, we will!

[@ericks9127]

For me personally the staccato P has been my favorite pistol I have ever shot.

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

I’m sure it is!

[@HertzPenske]

Great video. I carry a Staccato CS and looking to add another Staccato to my collection, either the P or C2.

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

P FOR THE WIN! 👍

[@danielhenderson8316]

Something I would love to see is one of these against the Sig P226 Legion SAO. Whenever anyone talks about Duty SAO guns, people always sleep on this while being almost $1K cheaper and direct mounts RMR and DPP optics with no plates.

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

Although a direct mount, you get no cowitness and no recoil lugs either on the SAO 226. However, those are a great option as well. My first duty pistol was a P226

[@danielhenderson8316]

@@HuntFishShootChannel If you stay all Sig and put a Romeo X, you get Co witness standard height night sights.

[@danielhenderson8316]

​@@HuntFishShootChannelIf you stay all Sig, you could put a Romeo X on the P226 and have co witness standard height night sights.

[@danielhenderson8316]

@@HuntFishShootChannel If you stay all Sig and get a Romeo X, the co witness sights become a non issue because the optic is designed for standard height sights, and the Sig XRay3s are some of the best.

[@danielhenderson8316]

@@HuntFishShootChannel If you keep it all Sig, you can buy a Romeo X and have an anchored red dot that can use standard height sights.

[@Stfunope13]

I have the p, c2, and c. I also have the 2311 compact pro. I prefer the 2311 over the staccatos.

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

Awesome!

[@Jasondranoff]

Another Great video, thanks for sharing.

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

Thanks for watching!

[@Drewdown382]

Excellent review! Well done.

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

Thank you!

[@Th3UnluckyGam3r]

Something I'm curious about is how the 2311 Pro would stack up against the Staccato P. I'm still waiting on my 2311 Compact Pro, but it has a ported barrel for extra recoil control.

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

Yeah if you got the ported barrel model, that would be interesting!

[@scottsears5156]

Bul armory makes some pretty decent double stack 1911’s. Would love to see it compared to the Staccato. I have the staccato xc and love it. Great video.

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

People keep talking about those! Gonna have to try one out asap!

[@AMCAL2311]

Isn't this video about the Ocracle and staccato......there are videos out there with those 2 in comparison...

[@hawaiianpunch6783]

@@AMCAL2311 And? Some people would prefer a review by their preferred youtuber, no two reviews are the same.

[@TheRancor53]

I’d like to see a platypus versus staccato review as well although humble marksman has done it I would just like to see a little more detail on fit and finish between them.

[@PaulFrancisAAA]

The Bul TAC Pro is a worthy adversary. Either one could legitimately win depending on the test criteria of the reviewer.

[@rodhat794]

It would be nice to see what kind of wear is in the 2311.

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

We will have a high round count update in the future , but Tactical Considerations has one with a high round count, check out his videos on them

[@bruinranger13]

If the P was steel that could certainly be the difference in recoil impulse. The OA 2311 has an aluminum frame.

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

Both are aluminum. It’s the spring weights and how they are sprung.

[@kamikazelyricist1563]

Great review! Im definitely subscribing

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

Welcome aboard!

[@captainohsowavy]

Only issue I seen with the 2311 is the plate and front sight The suppressor height sights give will make you shoot 6-8inches low The optic cut should allow you to shoot with the standard low front sight making it co witness But it’s definitely imo a better shooter over the staccato P

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

Hmmm I haven’t experienced that with the 2311 for how it shoots using irons

[@matthewbaker5359]

Staccato all day everyday.

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

💪

[@Waynethegunner]

I have both

[@beck4218]

Mike, you're clearly better with the Staccato, but likely due to time on the platform.

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

That is likely why! I could redo this now and the shooting for the 2311 is better. I have been shooting it a ton!

[@Alexander_808]

I think a better battle would be between the Oracle Arms 2311 and the Stealth Arms platypus 2011… Sig mags vs Glock mags… 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

Well we would need a Platypus first which we don’t have.

[@vgpena1]

Platypus vs anything from Bul to Staccato would be great actually because its price ranges from 1400-2000 😮

[@dsxz]

if its ejecting further that means its undersprung not sprung stronger..if its ejecting too far you can go stiffer on the recoil spring and it will feel less flippy

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

Great thanks. The truth is, I have no idea how the it’s sprung, poundage wise. Nor do I care, since it’s shooting well and doing what I want it to.

[@VegasVaron]

Staccato P!

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

👍

[@wilbrininger7986]

Great review

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

Thanks!

[@tntac1]

5 mags seals the deal

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

It’s pretty nice! The optics plates you get are also very nice. Everything you need is included!

[@JMHall1117]

I just went to their site and it says you only get 3 17 round magazines

[@Joeseph113]

Which of these guns has a smaller grip? When I hold a Springfield Prodigy or a Kimber KDS9c my thumb sits just short of the mag release and I cant actuate it.

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

The OA Defense has a smaller grip and easier to press mag release!

[@colincrosby810]

Didn’t notice if the staccato was the steel or aluminum gun? What do you feel most people order?

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

I would recommend just getting the aluminum, it’s lighter and doesn’t shoot much different

[@colincrosby810]

Thanks you 🤙

[@Just__Blaze]

Can I have both

[@JackJones-w5f]

I have both...staccato better but 2311 has features that works for me

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

That’s the best course of action!

[@AMCAL2311]

Compact pro is on Order........

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

We have one coming for review 💪

[@AMCAL2311]

@HuntFishShootChannel I had to pull the trigger on it seems everyone has a Staccto...

[@Philly1958]

Prefer no grip safety and sig mags

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

That’s how I have been feeling!

[@Philly1958]

Staccato mags are finicky.

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

That has not been our experience with G2 or G3 mags

[@CR12221]

You only get the 5 mags with the pro model guns.

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

Thank you

[@zpacleb]

I got the standard 5 inch and I got 5 mags... maybe I just got lucky?

[@beck4218]

2311 Pro ported w/external extractor FTW.

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

That is one bad ass pistol!

[@tacticalspartan7732]

No plates come with the staccato p

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

It’s crazy how that keeps changing. This model came with an optic and plate for rmr for 2500.

[@tacticalspartan7732]

@@HuntFishShootChannel they changed how many mags there sending with the P as well I received 2/17 rounders. If you look at their website that’s what it says is shipping with them now. Did you buy directly from Staccato? And did they know it was for your channel?

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

@tacticalspartan7732 this was from a friend who is a police officer and bought it at a local store.

[@KS7dust]

I disagree. I'm gonna need you to send those to me for my own review

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

Roger that!

[@johnbuntin7188]

This would of been better comparing same size pew pews.

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

Well unfortunately neither company makes identical sizes. Each company makes models which are similar yet off by .25” or .2” of an inches

[@dustinburish7969]

SIG, automatic NO! Thank you! 👍

[@jbsack]

This is not even close. I have both. The Oraclearms is junk and I would stay away from it.

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

Great! Glad we all have our own opinions! Enjoy your staccato 💪

[@DaveandDebe]

Great comment 👍,,, real honesty is a rare thing. I looked at both of these in detail. I said to myself "This is not even close" the Oracle arms is a fake 2011, its a damn Sig P320.

[@ashlandgunclub1000]

2311 won’t take an SRO. Been waiting on the pro for 3 frigging years so I’m done waiting on you OA Defense.

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

3 years?

[@zpacleb]

He must be commenting from the future

[@Michiganbreadboyz_bt8919]

Staccato all day long. I’ve seen like 4 people already have to send in their oracles.

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

Good to know, haven’t heard that .

[@zpacleb]

May I ask for what issues? Is there something other than the accuracy issue that tactical considerations had?

[@Michiganbreadboyz_bt8919]

@@zpacleb yeah I’m not sure what exact issues but definitely part breakage I just don’t know which parts

[@zpacleb]

@Michiganbreadboyz_bt8919 interesting. It's been a few months since i got mine. So far so good

[@Michiganbreadboyz_bt8919]

@@zpacleb yeah this is when they first came out so maybe they fixed the issues

[@PkwyDrive13]

The 2311 is no comparison and completely unproven. It's nothing more than a glorified pimped 320 😂

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

I agree on parts of your comment but it’s no where close to a 320

[@OldmanSnake]

Ill take the Staccato a yday over that 2311. I wouldnt trust my life to a new type of pistol

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

That’s ok! It’s a great choice! 💪

[@davidcleveland9815]

😊🥤🍕

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

🤩

[@davidcleveland9815]

The Wi-Fi sucks up here in the Smokies tonight but I'm still Happy Happy Happy this is a great video 😊👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

@davidcleveland9815 that makes us very happy to hear!

[@PnP-td1mt]

I don’t think the OA meets the quality of staccato. The guns are NOT fit the same. P’s can be had for 2100 ish pretty easy. Why OA couldn’t make longer grips instead of that chungus magwell? Many had serious issues that OA wouldn’t fix. They are everywhere around here. The 2311 is a 1500-1600 dollar pistol.

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

Prices vary based off location, availability. MSRP is used to standardize. You are right they are not fit the same and different pistols. To say one is fit significantly better than the other can’t be said when you compare the two side by side. What are the issues? I’m curious what they are

[@PnP-td1mt]

⁠@@HuntFishShootChannelto say the fit and finish of the 2 is even remotely close to the same tells me one doesn’t have much of a mechanical understanding and definitely no real gun smithing experience. Nothing wrong with that at all if said person can admit it. Most can’t and will go to great lengths of making crap up and contorting words to continue their arguments. You can fell the difference as soon as you pick both guns up. The difference is further shown by simply racking the slides and dry firing them. “Mr. Nobody” on KZbin goes into good detail about the issues he found with his 2311.. The guy is probably one of the most down to earth “gun-tubers” I have ever met. Not only that but posses good enough mechanical skills to find the root causes of issues and fix them himself self. Again. I don’t think the OA 2311 is a bad gun. It’s on par with some of Sig’s higher end p320’s

[@PnP-td1mt]

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[@kinomorrison8004]

Glock! Glock is the winner!

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

🫣

[@Balticblue93]

I sold my Staccato P for a customized Platypus that uses Glock mags, it is a better firearm in my opinion. I wouldn't get rid of my XC though. But after shooting the OA, I ordered one.

[@garrettjaneski6209]

Both are great pistols and you cannot go wrong… however, the clear winner is the Stealth Arms Platypus with its Glock Mag compatibility, slightly less costly price tag, and infinitely many customization options right from the factory 🙌🏼🤌🏼

[@1911Sabbaticals]

My man!

[@JackJones-w5f]

I here that alot but the platypus is a 1911 double stack not a 2011 or a 2311

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

Those are very nice guns however, as someone who likes Glocks, I don’t know why people like Glock mags so much. I’ll take metal mags over them any day of the week.

[@danielhenderson8316]

​@@HuntFishShootChannel Because unlike Glocks, Glock mags are cheap and they work. The only ones I can think of that are metal, that cheap, and reliable are Beretta 92 mags because there's so many out there.

[@spocknasty]

@@danielhenderson8316Magpul just dropped $35 320 mags which is pretty cheap