Who was better Biggie or Tupac?

Notorious B.I.G. released Life After Death 3-25-1997 and on March 25 2023 we review Big's classic album, analyzing how it was a break through moment for integrating pop into hip hop, and reshaping NYC's hip hop scene. You'll be surprised at a beef with N__ & his underground demo tape the Juice Crew discovered. Who was better, Tupac or Big? Comment below:
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[@deshounlucky3865]

No one can do what Tupac can do.

[@fromdajump]

Pac definitely had the lock on gangsterism meets reflective thinking man

[@futureflavors205]

Shiitttttt.... Rap used to have to have a message The first socially conscious hip hop record is called THE MESSAGE, then Run DMC did it, Kurtis Blow... anyone that's ever had a socially conscious record on their album has done what Pac did... Which was basically every artist in the 80s early 90s hip hop especially after the advent of crack cocaine and before gangster rap took a strangle hold of mainstream music. You guys who think Tupac invented the intelligent Hoodlum archetype need to go back and research early Hip Hop. The man was wholly influenced by the 80s as was alot of his material

[@PR-WAY]

Facts

[@leonvlad3241]

Tupac is the GOAT !

[@fromdajump]

hail mary come with me...

[@imusjones5633]

No need to speak on 2pac. His body of work is still speaking from the grave. The GOAT !

[@fromdajump]

Tupac is the goat he was more influential on hiphop than probably any other rapper aside from Nas and Jay Z

[@PR-WAY]

@@fromdajump Bro nas an jay aint got shit on Tupac worldwide I know this cause im from New Zealand an everybody knows Tupac is GOAT

[@mohamedabdulaziz1344]

@@PR-WAY 100% and here as well in middle east. Pac is worldwide.

[@StormStorm-gm7wu]

​@@fromdajumpSTOP giving credit to Tupac & then take it back in A slick wAy Nas & Jay doesn't had half the influence Pac have til this day

[@Gbe4kt]

Long live king Tupac

[@GTA_DISCIPLE]

Biggie is a Brooklyn, NY star and 2Pac is Worldwide icon/Superstar

[@fromdajump]

That's one way to look at it

[@futureflavors205]

Where do y'all get ur information from? Both stars were all over MTV. There is no local at that point... Biggie did shows all over the US and was booked in London before he passed.

[@GTA_DISCIPLE]

@@futureflavors205 so you think just because Biggie got booked to be in London makes him worldwide? Man Pac reached a lot more ear’s than that lol

[@futureflavors205]

@@GTA_DISCIPLE It makes him international The only times Pac was invited to perform overseas was with Digital underground and to walk the runway for Versace cause Gianni had a gay crush on him - Tupac was not booked for shows internationally. He barely toured the US after AEOM. I think he did maybe two shows w Deathrow

[@GTA_DISCIPLE]

@@futureflavors205 fam 2Pac is one of the most influential person this world have come across. His influence in Hip Hop is like no other, we even compare him to Malcolm X when it comes to social justice, classes are being taught on the man himself and his poetry. Murals of Pac are everywhere.

[@nawak1048]

christopher wallace Big in New York Wheras Tupac Shakur Big Worldwide

[@PR-WAY]

I bet you Pac is big in NY too

[@nawak1048]

@@PR-WAY dem folks r undercover pac listeners so dey dont upset christophers fanatics

[@fromdajump]

you are hilarious

[@nawak1048]

@@fromdajump im just stating da Facts jumperboy

[@bishopbennett5514]

All the rappers have their own style and technique, I just prefer Tupac's style and technique.

[@fromdajump]

And that's fine too

[@CEEBrown]

The title says Biggie VS Tupac but there wasn't enough talk about Pac. Also, Pac was lyrical. But for some reason, the culture refuses to talk about that.

[@fromdajump]

Lyricism is not emphasized enough tbh

[@1969Makaveli]

Exactly, 2pac was dope. I had to go back & take a listen to the song If I Die 2nite, when he uses the letter P in such a way that`s dope and it be straight 🔥🔥🔥🔥. Pussy and paper is poetry,power and pistols" Plotting on murdering mother fuckers before they get ya picturing pitiful punk niggaz copping pleas puffin weed as I position myself to clock G`s.

[@PR-WAY]

They act like biggie is this lyrical genius lol when he's no where near PACs level at all

[@marcozuleta133]

Biggie was a better rapper, 2pac was a better artist!

[@fromdajump]

@@marcozuleta133 that’s a good way to put it

[@PositiveIndifference]

2PAC IS THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME! 💯

[@fromdajump]

Definitely

[@saeedalhosani]

2Pac is the best

[@fromdajump]

He's got a lot of hits that are always on my replay list

[@makswatrobski3361]

I think you could make slightly longer content, cause it’s so entertaining listening to you talking about this it’s a shame it’s only 10 mins

[@fromdajump]

Check out our other episodes like our review of Lupe Fiasco’s Ms Mural off Drill Music In Zion or Nas’s King’s Disease albums - we got plenty of content for you. Thanks for watching 🙏

[@nicsundberg8505]

2pac ALL DAY!

[@fromdajump]

He's got a lot of hits that are always on my replay list

[@larryconnerjr1835]

Tupac means more culturally to black people like me that was a teenager in the 90’s but if we’re talking about pure lyricism Biggie wins and I could name a bunch of rappers that are better technical rappers with sicker flows than Tupac , but Tupac more than any other rapper reached people on an emotional or cultural level, that’s why Tupac is the only rapper that has entire KZbin channels like Art of Dialogue or Bomb 💣 1st made just to talk about issues revolving around Tupac and all of them are very successful despite Tupac being gone all these years later, Tupac for whatever reason means more to people than any other rapper that has ever lived

[@fromdajump]

We cover this in our Tupac video. He had so many dimensions. Biggie had a singular point in time. One could argue that he is only as relevant as he is because his timeline intersected wit Pac.

[@mralfonzohoward5175]

We have to stop elavating rappers because the have catchy hooks and punchlines but the WORDS are Meaningless none of the music is saying anything having a clever way to say nothing still equals nothing

[@fromdajump]

Having a message is a forgotten art

[@futureflavors205]

Well, this is a poor argument The root word of rapper is RAP. Tupac covering social commentary in his raps is cool I guess but it doesn't mean he was a better RAPPER than anyone. Pac may have given better speeches or interviews than any rapper but that just makes him a good orator. Nas is a fantastic rapper but a horrible interview and orator. The two are not interchangeable

[@PR-WAY]

@@futureflavors205 bro have listened to Tupacs catalog he mastered RAP aint nobody on his level why do you think the world still bumps his shit an call him the GOAT

[@chopper7779]

2 pac was on another level you can’t even compare him with any rapper but as far as if the conversation is about 2 pac and biggie pac was way better biggie was good too but not good as pac

[@fromdajump]

And what specifically would you call out here?

[@marcozuleta133]

Biggie was a better rapper, 2pac was a better artist!

[@StormStorm-gm7wu]

​@@marcozuleta133NOT Pac all day

[@PR-WAY]

Why do people think biggie is lyrical i dont get it lol hes no where near PACs level at all like be honest with yourself PACs music don't lie

[@fromdajump]

and what are your favorite Pac lyrics?

[@trellcarson]

Had to try to do double disc like pac biting is supposed to be illegal in hiphop big gets praise for it

[@futureflavors205]

He's the DJ I'm the Rapper first 💿💿in Rap... So lock Pac up for biting while you at it. Oh I forgot the rules different when it's Pac for y'all goofies

[@trellcarson]

@@futureflavors205 who he bite xhump

[@futureflavors205]

@@trellcarson Melle Mel - Brenda Divine Sounds - Dear mama Ray Luv - Trapped The saying - "my only fear of death is reincarnation" - Mental LL Cool J, Heavy D and Biggie were all on Versace first Biggie Called himself "The Don" first... It's probably more but that's enough for your feeble mind to handle right now

[@trellcarson]

@@futureflavors205 did u just really use Ray luv his friend who they used to make music with and all them weak examples our great omission to say that pac is not a biter but is a student of hiphop and gave a shout out .. u just said they all were designer xlothes first stop it 5 everyone wears them clothes nothing special about that

[@trellcarson]

@@futureflavors205 how could biggie be on versace and he was broke u sound Brazy

[@str8rzr145]

biggie took from pac..pac wore versace and made a double album first.

[@fromdajump]

I can see that because they were friends before they became enemies and Pac was the more established artist for sure

[@str8rzr145]

good point!@@fromdajump

[@c.o.s_dre888]

It amazes me that substance means nothing

[@fromdajump]

In a discussion SPECIFICALLY focused on technique and skill in the art of rapping words over beats, yes, substance is not the focus of the conversation. Read the room and pay attention to context.

[@abayomibello1103]

Myopic view of some New Yorkers is laughable.

[@fromdajump]

Care to expand on that?

[@mralfonzohoward5175]

Just based on what these guys are saying if you limit yourself to basic street stuff and never speak about anything important your music will sound better or is better

[@fromdajump]

We spoke about the technique of rapping specifically, as hiphop is multidimensional technique is only one aspect. Content, and message are another. Not every rapper has to be a conscious rapper to be considered dope, and not every conscious rapper can rap with the flow Biggie had. If you want to look into deeper topics, check out our episodes on Lupe Fiasco redefining the genre or how Nas squashed beef with 21 Savage: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iaaahKKnaLeWodU

[@PR-WAY]

Tupac mastered RAP use a obviously not Pac fans

[@fromdajump]

@@PR-WAY Tupac is one of our favorite rappers, but just because we love his music doesn’t mean on a podcast episode covering the release of Biggie’s album - on the same day it was released in 1997 - that we can’t give Big his flowers for the characteristics flow he is famous for

[@trellcarson]

Thank you kause they saying oh He was better technically.. man stop.. Larry bird a better 3 pt shooter then mj but he ain’t a better player

[@fromdajump]

@@trellcarson that is worth discussing - whether Pac was a better overall rapper based on influence and legacy than Big - instead of what we discussed which was the art of flow

[@futureflavors205]

No comparison Biggie was a way better rapper than Tupac Pac was mid to below average at the time compared to his peers (cube, spice, snoop, eiht nas, krs, redman...etc) The way he shot past everyone is the same way the Kardashians became the most famous family in the world today - HEADLINES. He was the first rapper to realize that no press is bad press and capitalize off his personal drama. Wasnt the first or best to rap about social issues, politics, or problems but for the reasons stated above he crowds the conversation. Chalk it up to casual fans who need a celebrity to worship

[@fromdajump]

That’s a good point

[@PR-WAY]

Bro Tupacs the GOAT get use to it you can talk all that shit but he will always be the GOAT it's jus FACTS

[@TheRexrapper]

With Pac it wasn't about just headlines. The reason people like Pac is because they can relate to and feel what he is saying in his songs. Pac comes from a poetry background. His approach to rap is the same as poetry. Then when you add in Pac's voice and his charisma, that's why he was the top rapper in the game before he passed. For a guy who was "mid to below average at the time compared to his peers", his peers didn't think so. Biggie was a fan of Tupac before he even met him. Ice Cube was a Pac fan. Nas was a big Pac fan. Snoop was a fan of Pac. Most rappers at that time were fans of Tupac.

[@fromdajump]

@@TheRexrapper there is no argument with what you have said - I think where th disconnect comes in, is taking legacy out and just focusing on the ability to flow - that’s where Biggie shines more, even if Big doesn’t have the canon of 2Pac’s career

[@TheRexrapper]

@@fromdajump Biggie is a better technical rapper. I don't think that's what most people would argue against. Most people know that wasn't Pac's style. I think it just comes down to taste. Do you prefer a rapper with better flow/lyricism or a rapper who makes you feel what he's saying along with more wide range content? Some people prefer the technical aspect and would chose Biggie. Some prefer the emotional aspect and would chose Pac.

[@mohamedabdulaziz1344]

enjoy with big but never ever compare him to pac lol not even close smh

[@3rdGenerationCancer]

BIG is far superior. Pac is medicore.

[@fromdajump]

I mean that's like saying don't compare coke with pepsi both have different flavors for different people

[@fromdajump]

when it comes to flow, I agree

[@StormStorm-gm7wu]

​@@3rdGenerationCancer LmaO

[@trellcarson]

Gangsta rapper not a gangsta living .. if u ain’t authentic it ain’t hiphop

[@futureflavors205]

Duane Nettlesby who produced on Thug Life album said Pac was a fake gangster 😭 said bro was Hootie and the blowfish 😭😭🤣

[@fromdajump]

@@futureflavors205 I knew folks who rode with PAC’s crew and it wasn’t fake, there were constant threats of drive bys

[@trellcarson]

@@futureflavors205 we know he was a hater u Kant fake shooting cops and beating people up Never heard a pac running story ever but we did see biggie not respond to hit em up

[@3rdGenerationCancer]

Pac being the best rapper is just lunacy. Take away all of Pac's controversy: 1) the sexual assualt case 2) the Quad Studio shooting 3) the east/west coast beef 4) and ultimately signing to Death Row Pac would be equivalent to MC Eiht or Spice 1. Before the sexual asssault case Pac was a b-list celebrity.

[@fromdajump]

Pac created something that lived beyond himself, that hustler turned social activist play worked out well

[@3rdGenerationCancer]

@@fromdajump 😆😆😆😆

[@marcozuleta133]

Biggie was a better rapper, 2pac was a better artist!

[@StormStorm-gm7wu]

Biggie wasn't better in nothing dealing with rapping

[@lionaljumatt8266]

Bull S. Im from S.A just wanted to say 2pac is better than biggie ,biggie is big in Brooklyn, 2pac is big in the whole world for me pac is bigger than Nelson Mandela..that 2 boys weet nie waar van hulle praat nie. 199 years for now people are going to talk about 2pac..

[@fromdajump]

Respect 🙏

[@kennethtodd9117]

Biggie Smallz Were Way Betta Then 2pac!

[@fromdajump]

thank you

[@PositiveIndifference]

2pac is way better than biggie in every dimension of hip hop. 💯

[@ashleydavis7448]

Biggie is the most overrated rapper most people are just saying about Biggie what they hear from other people most people don't even know and understand he's style

[@fromdajump]

Most overrated may be a reach. He was definitely a dope MC but he never got a chance to reach his potential either RIP.

[@trevorhuotari2351]

I’m sorry that I have to be the ball breaker, but Tupac was clearly above biggie when it came to creating music biggie may have been a better lyricist but if we’re talking songs all around… What the fuck has Biggie done??? … Tupac has so many songs, so many messages, and just too much to compare to what biggie has put out.. Biggie. Could not touch on the topics that 2Pac could touch if that makes sense?

[@fromdajump]

You can like Biggie and Pac for different reasons no law against that

[@StormStorm-gm7wu]

​@@fromdajump He wasn't sayin that reply back 2 what he actually wrote

[@aerobertson]

These guys don’t have a clue what they talking about at all

[@fromdajump]

Feel free to elaborate. As a fan of both artists this is just fun dialogue. What is you favorite Pac song?

[@theofreemanjr4415]

Biggie n pac is worldwide stop lieing pac maybe we’ll recognize bc his movies but far as a rapper goes biggie is better than pac

[@fromdajump]

That’s what we are thinking - Pac has more depth as a lyricist but Biggie has more technical skill at flow and rapping

[@1969Makaveli]

Nah bro, Pac is worldwide plus they have school courses on Pac in collage, his lyrics are being studied Pac is a curriculum now. Plus he has statues in Germany, Asia, Africa and Russia. BIG has none of that, maybe in New York but that`s it. So all that talk you saying maybe we`ll recognize him from his movies, nah bro we`ll recognize Pac from all of the things he has done contributing to Hip Hop & the fact he started a movement. GrandMaster Melle Mel has said BIG dope don`t get me wrong , but Pac stated a whole movement Pac was on another level with his Thug Life movement. T. The H. Hate U. You G. Gave L. Little I. Infants F. Fucks E. Everybody He pulled some homeless people from off the cold streets and had them stay at his mansion ( that`s Documented ). Pac was for his people. He never said he was the best....EVER. It was his huge fan base that gave him that titled. And don`t say Pac don`t have say Pac ain`t Lyrical, cause that`s a lie. 2pac was dope. I had to go back & take a listen to the song If I Die 2nite, when he uses the letter P in such a way that`s dope and it be straight 🔥🔥🔥🔥. Pussy and paper is poetry,power and pistols" Plotting on murdering mother fuckers before they get ya picturing pitiful punk niggaz copping pleas puffin weed as I position myself to clock G`s. There is so much more that make Pac who he is and that`s The Greatest Of All Time-----The GOAT!!!

[@futureflavors205]

@@1969Makaveli Notice how fans of Biggie, Nas, Jay, G-Rap, Kane, Ras Kass, Kurupt etc never have to tell ppl that these Emcees are lyrical 😂 If we're being honest, Tupac wasn't a better rapper than the lady of rage. If we talking rhyme structure and cadence Da brat would've given Tupac that work. Look Pac was a good/ above avg song writer. But he doesn't have tight punchlines or delivery. Pac has some classic material. So does MC hammer and Noreaga. It doesn't make them lyricists

[@1969Makaveli]

@@futureflavors205 Look bro that`s YOUR opinion. All Pac haters say the same shit over & over again. If they was so great their rhymes would be a curriculum and their lyrics would be studied. Teachers scholars are giving classes on 2pac`s words. This is facts. But ok whatever YOU say. Pac was better than good, he was great. So YOU can save all that Pac was a good/above average song writer lol. Pac has punchlines and delivery. Come back to me when YOU have another rapper on the same level as Tupac. As far as being studied in schools in collage and have statues in Germany, Asia, Africa & Russia. And is well loved by the whole world and still to this day being talked about good or bad. And another thing Pac said he wasn`t the best rapper....he never said that. It was us the fans that gave him that title. His huge fan base did that and we came out to support him by buying his records. From 1993 Strictly 4 my N.I.G.G.A.Z to now every album has reached platinum status. Your favorite rapper why isn`t no one supporting him like that? Fans are suppose to support your favorite am I right? So again....Pac the GOAT enough said.

[@futureflavors205]

@@1969Makaveli That's not just my opinion. You brought up Melle Mel, but even he said Biggie was a better rapper. Shock G and money B have said the same thing. And that's a very objective and simple answer - Biggie. Now if the question was who makes the stanboys cream their Jeans and cry in their bandanas every Sept 13th, it's definitely Cheddar Pac. But again popular doesn't equal better. McDonald's is in every country on earth, doesn't mean it's the best

[@ddude5303]

Big was/is the illest rapper period. The man literally had 2 albums and is considered by everyone that actually knows rap to be one of the greatest to ever do it. Yes, Pac had a much bigger influence, but we're talking about rapping. I get that u all like pac over big but when it comes to rapping, no comparison. Before pac steps to Big, he has to see Em, jay, Nas, Kendrick, chuck d and hell maybe even lil wayne.....

[@fromdajump]

thank you

[@StormStorm-gm7wu]

Not true

[@nicsundberg8505]

🤦🏽No.

[@fromdajump]

haha care to expand on that?