Practical Penmanship: Whole Arm Movement

[@DieyenDualPen]

Make sure to check out the other videos in the Practical Penmanship playlist: kzbin.info/aero/PLGhV4Zi3_KeStAwV2-RrSZFZNLhcSNT4A

[@glixeluna]

This definitely deserves more views- So underrated, it was so freaking helpful!! Well explained, well demonstrated, and well executed! Tysm ^^

[@DieyenDualPen]

Thanks so much! I really appreciate it!

[@JJ-le8li]

Finally, I have seen a true informative video. Thanks a lot; I have been in want of information in relation to writing with arms. Unfortunately, there are so many ridiculous videos on KZbin that I left hope about getting a true one. I am really thankful to you!

[@DieyenDualPen]

You're very welcome. Best of luck.

[@AlanTwigg]

This was a very helpful overview that helped me make sense of whole arm writing. Thank you for sharing this.

[@DieyenDualPen]

It is my pleasure! I'm very happy you've found the video helpful.

[@champagne3164]

wow this is great! Feels like litterally praticing with someone together so the process becomes much more fun and less lonely. Thank you so much

[@Kevnadian]

This is the most detailed and informative video on writing with the arm. Thank you!

[@DieyenDualPen]

Thanks, I hope it's been helpful!

[@jrairgunners9452]

I recently have found writing as a hobby and I am thankful to you for the video as it has taught me a new and better style of writing.

[@DieyenDualPen]

Happy to hear it! Thank you for the nice comment.

[@davelester1985]

I like holding my arm still and moving my body. More calories burned.

[@chickennuggets1837]

👁️👄👁️

[@MiScusi69]

LMAO

[@jasonsmith-yd1yk]

Write with holding pen in your mouth, you'll burn greater amount of calories.

[@DieyenDualPen]

Lol

[@drive-channel1834]

I like to "write" using my mouth. a.k.a speech to text, but more advanced. My arduino robot moves the pen on the paper. Can be set to write in any style, print, cursive, whatever 😁 No, I'm just kidding.

[@andreteixeira9584]

Thank you so much for this video. I was at a complete loss on how to do this exercises which I saw explained only in text form.

[@DieyenDualPen]

That's was my goal I'm glad ot helped!

[@Dark-dz8co]

@@DieyenDualPen it seems you have sacrificed typing for handwriting unlike me

[@UniversalEngineer]

This presentation is SUPERBLY done. It illustrates perfectly the Palmer method. Thank you!

[@DieyenDualPen]

Thank you for such kind words! Best wishes.

[@Ashita7X]

Hello Mate, I'm from india and I have subscribed your channel recently.... First of all I would like thank you wholeheartedly! This is my 4th day probably, improvement in my handwriting and handmovement is unbelievable... I have to face lot of writing due to study and I had a feeling I really wanna do something about my writing and want to take it to the next level because I love writing... I tried many things to get that perfection but couldn't able to anything about it ! My hand used to get cramped several times.. but after watching your videos i decided to give it a shot and I'm seeing improvements... I have improved my body posture while writing and learning and started reading that palmer method book seriously after through your channel.... I hope I will be able to achieve great writing skills within a year ! Keep making Videos !

[@DieyenDualPen]

Thank you and Best of luck!

[@atanumondal7828]

You rewired my brain about handwriting. Keep up the good work. Love from India.

[@DieyenDualPen]

That's awesome, thanks!

[@parisdblack1711]

Thank you soooo much for this video. I am studying the Tamblyn School of Business Penmanship and these two drills are the first two lesson - I just was not getting it - now I do. Thanks 🙏🏽

[@DieyenDualPen]

So glad you've found this video helpful :)

[@Hiraeth-dr8qe]

yOU SHOULD HAVE MORE SUBS. referred from reddit. thank you for this very informative video and taking the time to show the different angels concerning proper posture. sub and bell. looking forward to more of this content!

[@DieyenDualPen]

Hiraeth 0369 thanks so much! Make sure you check out the other videos in the practical penmanship playlist. I really appreciate the encouragement it means a ton!

[@freddymoisesgarcia]

I tried the Palmer workbook, however the dated english made it hard for me to understand it. Thank you for this detailed explanation! I am a left-handed over-writer trying to learn to be an under-writer in order to stop smudging my notebooks, and your channel has been really useful, thanks!

[@DieyenDualPen]

Im very happy to read my videos have been of assistance. Best of luck on your journey!

[@davidrestrepo1441]

Congratulations Diego, I've been following your channel and it's been really helpful. Saludos desde Colombia

[@DieyenDualPen]

Thank you! I'm happy to know it's been helpful

[@Dzbiq]

I'm a simple man, I see proper arm movement I press Like and Subscribe.

[@DieyenDualPen]

:)

[@s.j4606]

It was the best video regarding the matter . Thank you so much .

[@DieyenDualPen]

Thank you!

[@hellokoreanadventure8044]

Great video! You brought up some really great points and I appreciated the different angles. One thing I would like to suggest is changing your cut scene animation. It doesn't match the style of video I think you are aiming for. You have great content and I am looking forward to more videos!

[@DieyenDualPen]

Hello Korean Adventure thank you, I appreciate the advice! This was the first video in the series, if you have time, could you watch a more recent one and tell me where I could still use more improvement?

[@hellokoreanadventure8044]

Dieyen DualPen Your scene cuts are a lot cleaner in your "whole arm movements for lefties" video and it matches your style a lot better.

[@DieyenDualPen]

I'll try to stay on that track. Thanks so much for the feedback. I really appreciate you taking the time!

[@jodymartin2527]

Thank you . I can see that I’m improving every day !

[@DieyenDualPen]

That's fantastic! It's a slow but worthwhile pursuit.

[@eridiance9818]

what do you think of handstyles

[@salimkhatri5557]

Hi. Thanks for taking you time to prepare this video. I have a question in regards to holding of the pen. I read somewhere in Palmer's penmanship that when you hold the pen, the top side of the pen should point to your shoulder. Any truth in that? Can you elaborate on the direction of the pen. Thanking you in advance.

[@DieyenDualPen]

Hello Salim, so this video is over a year old and since my grip has evolved to match Palmers recommendation more. If watch some of my more recent live streams kzbin.info/www/bejne/fnSlZqtvo6-dd5o you'll see that the pen does point in the general direction of my shoulder. This change in grip has seemed to happen somewhat intuitively. I haven't made any extremely conscious efforts to match Palmer's direction. So I would say there is definitely some truth to his instruction.

[@salimkhatri5557]

@@DieyenDualPen thanks for the prompt reply. I have been practicing muscular movements writing from the lessons in the Palmer's method of Business Writing but without following the recommendations of the direction of the pen. Since I am having problem to master the Palmer's method and I am not sure is it because of the way I am holding the pen.Do you recommend that I follow Palmer's recommended pen's direction or keep on going with the same way I am currently holding the pen? Will holding the pen as recommended in the lessons from the Palmer's Method of Business Writing make difference? Please advise. Peace.

[@fh.s.k.2847]

This is one important lesson to learn, which is rare, because I mostly find other people emphasize only to the forming of the letters into words. Thank you very much. PS. What a gorgeous pen you have there. Fine western nib?

[@DieyenDualPen]

I certainly prioritize movement in writing. Drawing of letters is not practical for capturing thought. I'm glad you've found this informative, it is my pleasure. Medium nib actually, but it is a somewhat dry nib so it appears finer. Yes western nib :)

[@fh.s.k.2847]

@@DieyenDualPen Oh, I wish you had this kind of tutorial class I could join in person, as I may need it, but, I find your videos helpful. Do please make more videos in the future.

[@DieyenDualPen]

I will try!

[@fh.s.k.2847]

@@DieyenDualPen awesome!

[@drive-channel1834]

Writing with whole arm instead of fingers! That is really an amazing skill. How long does it take to train to do that, to be able to write fluidly with whole arm?

[@bhushanm3481]

Big fan.....thanks for sharing

[@DieyenDualPen]

My pleasure!

[@am_ma]

Sorry for asking this but how is your shoulder ? with all of that extra movements ? Because that handwriting could be done with much ease if you used your fingers and wrist too.

[@olav1354]

Thank you!

[@DieyenDualPen]

My pleasure!

[@petrusgandamana]

Thank you... it is really practical as you promised it

[@DieyenDualPen]

Very happy to hear. Best of luck!

[@Soundforsoul88]

You are the first to help me understand why my index finger hurt

[@DieyenDualPen]

I hope the video helps get rid of your pain!

[@StarKnightZ]

In the UK the standard for writing is vertical writing as opposed to slanted writing. I'd Like to maintain a vertical script but to write with my arm instead of my fingers. do you have any tips to do this with the whole arm movement method of writing?

[@DieyenDualPen]

Angle your paper so that you're "slant" is actually vertical.

[@muskndusk]

I write sitting on a couch with a lapdesk on my lap. There's a lamp on the lapdesk (bought separately) and I sit any way that makes me comfortable. Using my favoured fountain pen at the time, I can write for pages and pages and not notice the time passing. I pay no heed to proper posture etc but when I emerged from 'the zone' I move around: go to the bathroom, the kitchen, get something to drink or nibble, fuss with the cat; before I begin writing again. I write by hand only in my journal (an A4 loose-leaf ringbound folder), for everything else I use an AlphaSmart or small laptop. I wrote this on my main laptop which sits on a chair in front of the sofa. Personally, paying too much attention to 'correct' posture makes me too aware of my body and less of what I'm writing.

[@DieyenDualPen]

Thanks for sharing! We've all got top find what works best for ourselves. I'm glad you've found that.

[@texaversyt]

Do you remember how time did it take also is 2 months enough or not?

[@razziade]

Super helpful video! Thank you. This video stands out from the rest because of the clear explanation, multiple camera angles of the “whole” arm movement, and the demonstrations of the exercises. My handwriting really looks like shit….90% printed and 10% cursive. My hand starts to ache after a few minutes of writing, so I’m going to try to get my handwriting straight this time. The Spencerian script looks so cool so that is my goal. Once again, thanks. Subbed. One question, how long should one do these drills each day?

[@DieyenDualPen]

Thanks for nice words. I would practice at least 20 minutes a day.

[@dhirajdas7]

Bro I have been suffering from poor handwriting and when I start writing in exam my handwriting becomes even wrost. Would you like to help me

[@oxygirl96]

Your video helps me a lot. Thank you for sharing this.

[@DieyenDualPen]

I'm very happy you've found this helpful!

[@jokerkof7131]

THANKS for your vedio ,it is so helpful. someone say dont let your wrist touch the desk ,someone it is ok let your wrist touch the desk .i feel puzzled, what is the different between that and what do you think about that? looking forward your reply!

[@DieyenDualPen]

Additional points of contact, such as your wrist, create more friction than might be necessary for fluid movement. With that said everyone's anatomy is different and because of that it may be better to allow some wrist contact with the table. This is my opinion and I am anything but an authority on this. You'll just have to experiment with what works best for you. Good luck!

[@1Rhaast]

"The satisfying sound of these drills." **Aggressive printer sounds**

[@morganblarue]

Super helpful, thank you.

[@DieyenDualPen]

You're very welcome.

[@vocalcrunch1308]

Sir you are amazing upload continue siri am really inspire and improve my self too ...

[@DieyenDualPen]

Thank you for the kind words. Best of luck on your journey!

[@jerrywebster7678]

So the elbow should have contact with the desk functioning as a pivot? Because I think I heard in another video, maybe from perfectbiscuits, that the fleshy area of the forearm should be the pivot point. Anyway, top notch instructions!

[@DieyenDualPen]

Elbow shouldn't make much if any contact. Depending on your anatomy the elbow may even hang off the table. The muscular part of the forearm is the correct point of contact. David's approach is much more analytical than my whimsical practice. Michael Gebhart at "In Pursuit of Penmanship" is another excellent resource

[@jerrywebster7678]

dieyen DualPen Thanks. I guess one has to make little adjustments for the individual anatomical features. Actually, my elbow pivoting gave my ovals a tad more uniformity. I do catch myself letting the index finger buckle a little bit, probably due to the weird grip on Lamy Safaris, bit that’s all I have at the moment. I’m looking at maybe the Pelikan m200 or the TWSBI Diamond 580 AL. Hey, I enjoy both yours and David’s teachings. DD and DD ;)

[@bhushanm3481]

Thank you very much

[@DieyenDualPen]

You're welcome!

[@Dzbiq]

What's the name of this paper type? (Lines are visible through the ink)

[@DieyenDualPen]

Not entirely sure. I will try to find out

[@firatcim]

How about for left handed writers like me?

[@DieyenDualPen]

I have other videos on that.

[@John_Da199]

Are these exercises still useful if you don't intend on writing in cursive

[@DieyenDualPen]

You can focus on and improve movement in writing regardless of the style of writing. So I think yes! Best of luck!

[@painpeace3619]

Very good video.

[@DieyenDualPen]

Thanks!

[@edoupdates9935]

Pls be Honest.. how long after practicing will I become comfortable using whole arm

[@DieyenDualPen]

Honest answer is it depends on you and how your practice and your natural aptitude.

[@skewposts153]

I have no clue how to do this. I tried the grip you use and how you did it and i still couldn't do it

[@DieyenDualPen]

It's so.ething that takes times

[@chetanmodhwadia7214]

Thank you for the details,its great.

[@DieyenDualPen]

You're very welcome

[@jerrywebster7678]

Hi. Thanks for the wonderful instructions. Which fount pen in your collection do you tend to gravitate to most often?

[@DieyenDualPen]

Thank you. Today, I reach most often for my Visconti Homo Sapien.

[@jerrywebster7678]

@@DieyenDualPen Thanks for answering:)

[@Brumor]

Can your reach higher writing speeds with this method compared to the common approach?

[@DieyenDualPen]

You can, you may sacrifice quality for it though. A lot of practice in a correct manner can get you to higher speeds. I'm not that interested in speed though

[@eldermoura1271]

Very helpful! I was wondering if the whole arm movement would do good with print handwriting rather than cursive,or it only works with cursive?

[@DieyenDualPen]

Hello, glad the video was helpful. I do have another brief video where I show how you can apply whole are movements to printing. I believe the video as ripped from a stream I did. But essentially the answer is yes but the movement will be different. The Business Penmanship script is based around the oval and it's curves where a print is not. Through study of the shapes you can find what will be your consistent stroke patterns. For print I would say it's mostly vertical lines. Some experimentation I'm sure would get you there quite easily.

[@eldermoura1271]

@@DieyenDualPen Wow, I'm looking forward to watch this video and put these tips into practice.Thank you for replying and sharing the ins and outs out of penmanship,your tutorials are simply the best there is: simple and clear,as it should be. Keep up your marvellous work. For sure it is changing lives as it is changing mine now. Best Wishes!

[@Element5712]

Please help!, I use the Palmer method and the recomended height for minimum letters is one-sixteenth, do you use this height in your normal writting? the height of these letters in the book is two-sixteenths in the printed drawing, but for me it is too small, but maybe this is only my perception, please tell me what you do in your actual writting...

[@DieyenDualPen]

Start bigger, as you get better get smaller.

[@AliButt-hb3oy]

Hey can someone tell me what font this is? Whats the name of this font? Thanks

[@DieyenDualPen]

Not a font, it's a script or "hand" known as Palmer Method or Business Writing

[@fermiparadox7795]

I never understood the point of whole arm movement. I have tried it and it makes my writing slow compared to writing with fingers and wrist. I don't find a point in learning the whole arm movement when i can write nice looking cursive with good speed using fingers and sometimes wrist combo.

[@DieyenDualPen]

Back in the day some people had jobs where they wrote and generated documents for 8 hours a day. If you tried to write for over an hour straight without stopping you would quickly realize why the larger muscles used in the whole arm movement style were favored. I once did a live stream where I wrote 4 hours nonstop and in that video you can see that after 4 hours of writing the quality of the writing hadn't been lost, and to be honest I was hardly fatigued. I agree with you, in most settings, at work for example, I will usually write things quickly using combination movement favoring finger movement. But there is an element of line quality that is lost when you use finger movement though. The limited range of motion takes away from the continuous flow of writing and thought. For practicalities sake I will often use combo movement but if I want to sit down and enjoy writing for any length of time I will always choose whole arm movement, it feels and looks more graceful.

[@fermiparadox7795]

8 hours damn that's a lot of writing people had to do. I have to write maximum 3 hours everyday non stop during exams for a week (Day after Day no breaks). However at that time my main focus is writing fast and legible. I am not even thinking about writing beautiful like my usual writing (maybe first couple of pages). During that time my handwriting is not beautiful like usual but however its very fast cursive and still legible. During exam times my fingers do get in pain but that's what all my friends experience during exam time but we survive for a week xD. I cant imagine using whole arm writing during exams i will never finish my papers. Also there are some situations where we have to write in tables or when we have to fill forms where we have to write small and in confined space. During those situations i switch to my print handwriting. I just saw your writing 4 hours "pewdiepie" stream and your writing is a bit slow but its consistent and beautiful. I noticed sometimes when you write "e" it does look like "c" which happens to me and i just go back and finish the "e" loop. I gotta work on it. However your ability to write with both the hands and mirrored writing is just astonishing. I have never seen anyone do it.

[@DieyenDualPen]

Yeah when I was in college I had to take a lot of written exams for art history. I always found that whole arm combo movement served me well. Fast and legible. It does take a considerable amount of retraining to experience practical results. I also feel that writing with the whole arm and flow of thought sync more harmoniously. This is something I had originally noticed through the ambidextrous handwriting. I'm glad you enjoy the videos :)

[@AMIR-nm7fo]

I lo ve Tour vídeos, bit 5he volumen is way too los. Can you please fix ir. My pone has the volumen to the máx. Thanks

[@DieyenDualPen]

Thanks for the feedback. This video is very old and I hope since my volume is better. Let me know.

[@AMIR-nm7fo]

@@DieyenDualPen sorry for my message. My writing was so bad. I have to switch between English, Spanish and Arabic......thank you for your time and your videos.

[@DieyenDualPen]

It's no problem! That's awesome that you speak multiple languages. Thanks for your support!

[@ambervale6172]

Full Arm writing saved my arm from carpal tunnel and De Quervain's tenosynovitis!

[@DieyenDualPen]

That is an amazing testimony! Thank you for sharing. I'm very happy that you've experience such a tremendous benefit from arm writing.

[@Fernandohe111]

Must the circle always be anti clockwise?

[@DieyenDualPen]

No, you should practice in both directions.

[@wagnerbaldin8651]

Do you think I can use a normal ball pen just to improve my cursive with this techniques?

[@DieyenDualPen]

You can absolutely use a ball pen. I have a video where I wrote using a ball pen in this style.

[@junaidakhter8699]

@@DieyenDualPen sir actually i have been suffering from a neurological disorder which left me unable to write like normally from both of my hands.. Can u plzzz guide me how can i write with the help of my arm properly... It would be very beneficial for me sir.. Plzz guide me sir

[@molamola7344]

great video! Thank you :)

[@DieyenDualPen]

Mola Mola you're welcome :) thanks for the encouragement

[@molamola7344]

I have to thank you again! I practiced a littele bit and this makes all the difference from the way I tried whole arm writing before! I always tried to move the whole arm over the surface of the table but using the elasticity of the skin the way you show it gives me so much more controll.

[@DieyenDualPen]

Mola Mola you're welcome! So happy to hear this has helped you progress

[@chetanmodhwadia9401]

Hello sir, i am having difficulty with the downside stroke in letters like small l, p, q, g, etc because my movement is getting restricted,what should i do about it? and can you make a video that shows the same movement with fountain pen as shown in this video with pencil? can you put a link of the document you have learnt through?

[@DieyenDualPen]

This is I think too complicated to answer in a comment. I'll make a video on this

[@chetanmodhwadia7214]

@@DieyenDualPen Thank you sir

[@DieyenDualPen]

@@chetanmodhwadia7214 at 7:12 I show these movements with a fountain pen

[@DieyenDualPen]

@@chetanmodhwadia7214 I have learned this style of writing from a book no longer in reproduction. You can sometimes find people selling the book on ebay or amazon. It is called the Palmer Method of Business Handwriting. Here is one being sold on amazon: amzn.to/2S8lXwv

[@chetanmodhwadia9401]

@@DieyenDualPen yes sir got it

[@edoupdates9935]

Thanks...I really love your videos... please 🙏..how long does it take to master whole arm writing?...and if you can write with your arm, does it mean your writing automatically becomes cursive?

[@DieyenDualPen]

Time varies for everyone. Few ever become masters that take a life time of work. No it does not automatically become cursive you can use arm movement for all styles of writing. Best of luck.

[@morganblarue]

Also - please do tell: what is that gorgeous foundation pen you’re using? 😍

[@DieyenDualPen]

The orange and black one is a Delta dolce vita. I believe Delta is no longer around but you may still be able to find them around for sale.

[@morganblarue]

Ooo! That is a nice pen! (And I mistyped earlier: *fountain* pen) And thank you for the reply. 😊

[@teresawalker5101]

Are you amish?

[@DieyenDualPen]

Ha! Can't say I am.

[@usmanriaz9966]

Didn't receive the worksheet nor three chapters after subscribing.

[@DieyenDualPen]

Hmm that is strange. I see your submissions I will send them out. Thanks for letting me know!

[@aniken6877]

Wait but I’m left-handed

[@DieyenDualPen]

I have a video for that too

[@xenongamer1774]

If I really tell you That's how I write from childhood and I thought this isn't good handwriting and now I am listening that people are trying to write like this.😐😐😶😶🤯🤯

[@DieyenDualPen]

Small world

[@TheWatcher1581]

Your volume is to low. I can barely hear what you are saying. Maybe you should move your microphone closer.

[@DieyenDualPen]

Haha, sorry about that. Video is 6 years old now, so there's no moving anything closer. Gonna have to live with it

[@mikeking087]

That hold is ugly

[@ginkgothestink-o6949]

My pen sits on my ring finger when I write, not my middle finger. I’ve been doing it like that all my life. Do you think this matters?

[@DieyenDualPen]

As long your not finding the grip limiting I wouldn't say it explicitly matters. I would curious to know where your middle finger is being placed if not supporting the pen. With my writing form my ring and pinky finger touch the page and act as support for the hand as it slides around the page.

[@alexandro_coutinho]

Thank you!

[@DieyenDualPen]

My pleasure!