Whonix KVM - A Secure OS for the Dark Web

In this video I show you how to setup Whonix KVM, I also explain why its better to use Whonix in KVM instead of virtualbox due to Oracles bad track record of fixing and giving details about security issues.
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[@L9TurboBoost]

finally a secure way to use facebook

[@notafbihoneypot8487]

Yes, just use my link

[@KatzRool]

kek

[@DaEpic]

@@notafbihoneypot8487 lmaoo

[@xX_Lol6_Xx]

Lmao

[@waltz9230]

😂😂😂

[@rraygen]

Whonix vs QubesOS vs Tail for security and privacy? Would make for an interesting video, since all three aim for a different use case

[@nefty1004]

Yes please do this

[@RedPlayer_1]

Oh yes please!

[@ItsHowardPlayzOfAdmin]

Qubes gang

[@trollerjakthetrollinggod-e7761]

Whonix actually works better as a VM on Qubes, and Whonix devs actually recommend it as a second level of protection. Unless your QubesOS is compromised, you're practically invisible.

[@11Cent]

id say they are all have very different uses but id still like to see a comparison

[@Keniisu]

Been dabbling with Whonix for quite some time with VirtualBox, though it's not always the most secure option. Definitely an optimal choice for privacy and security when it comes to operating systems regardless of whether you use KVM or VirtualBox

[@Joseph-ws5de]

In your opinion what’s most secure?

[@moth5799]

@@Joseph-ws5de I know I'm not OP but KVM is definitely more secure.

[@NotACutie]

Good for gaming on the side?~

[@diego032912]

@@moth5799 If you're USB mounting KVM's then yes, but otherwise VirtualBox is good for use by public computers or laptops that you'll only use when on public networks.

[@doggo_woo]

@@NotACutie Gaming on the Tor network is asking for 1 second lag. Unless you are talking about offline.

[@supercharged1046]

Been using this setup for a while now, thanks for providing some more detailed information especially swap file vulnerabilities and other things to consider.

[@OcteractSG]

Sleep keeps RAM powered, while hibernation writes RAM to swap. Setting up encrypted swap is actually really easy to do on most graphical installers for Linux.

[@MickeyMishra]

Links and easy how to guide? 😅

[@xmvziron]

Encrypted swap? That sounds like black magic to me

[@your-mom-irl]

@@xmvziron why? its just swap but encrypted. probably slow as hell

[@ThirtytwoJ]

Huh didn't know that. Thx for that

[@meekdook4236]

Do you have a link to a tutorial?

[@FritzyFreak]

I dont really know anything about all this but I always come back to channels like this just because of how interesting all these topics are. I've learned a good bit just dont really ever plan to go on the darkweb. Still really cool tho!

[@pacifico4999]

Same. I love seeing how these things work, though I don't have an use case for it.

[@penofinspiration]

Don't worry, some day you will see your search history popping up somewhere & you will realise data security is important.

[@HülyeLó]

I don't think anyone has a use case for it here.

[@bvbianca]

Whonix is brilliant. Thanks for finally making a video about it.

[@rolodexter]

Your coverage is super actionable Thanks for covering this OS

[@Dave-kq7gv]

Thrilled to see some Whonix love...all the edgy "youtuber hackers" only talk about Tails. Do Qubes next!

[@methamphetamememcmeth3422]

NetworkChuck? Lmao yeah.

[@xadxtya]

Whonix is amazing, I've been using it on my burner laptop for a while and it's kept me safe from the Dark Web's malicious activity. I use Arch BTW

[@ColdSteel-dz3pf]

Of course you run Arch… the Elitist has spoken LuL! When I better understand our craft I’ll dive down the Arch hole. All Arch users I’ve met swear by it! 🍻.

[@NeverTrust298]

WHO CARES?!!!

[@0007-i2l]

​@@NeverTrust298 it's a meme, welcome to the internet!

[@𩛗]

@@NeverTrust298 welcome to the internet my friend

[@Secondarian]

@@ColdSteel-dz3pf Just go straight to Artix/Parabola, depending on your hardware.

[@Olivia0690]

I daily drive Qubes and love it. It has a large learning curve though, but if you know the basics and are comfortable enough to do a walkthrough video I'm sure people would love it!

[@RashidSEC]

I think the reason he hasn't is becuase a screen recorder is difficult to set up in Dom0. You could probably use an external capture card as that's how I'm planning on recording my QubesOS setup.

[@Olivia0690]

@@RashidSEC Yeah that is a good point 😁. Along with the security risk of installing any sort of software in Dom0 to begin with. But I suppose for an example video wouldn't make Joanna too angry 😂

[@veronicamarino7527]

Yeah that would be awesome, qubes user here too!

[@trik9464]

@@RashidSEC usb capture card to loop the hdmi and send the output to a vm with obs LOL it does actually work

[@RashidSEC]

@@trik9464 We will find out. My thinkpad has 64 gb of ram wish me luck.

[@alexwolfeboy]

Yah, when I saw that, upward security (ie protection against your enviroment) was what bothered me. It doesn't matter how secure WHONIX is, if the host it is running on is less secure. Weakest link and all. Especially if for some insane reason your host OS is Windows, I can't imagine the upward security will be very good.

[@omarb2653]

Agreed

[@skinwalker69420]

So the solution is to run Whonix, on Whonix.

[@reflectit5547]

@@skinwalker69420 engineer pfp checks out

[@Secondarian]

@@skinwalker69420 No, on Cubes.

[@fishmongerama]

I bought a laptop on 1 November,2023 pre-installed with windows 11 home. How do i completely wipe windows off my laptop and install whonix KVM?. 😊

[@stage6fan475]

Thanks for all your hard work thinking about all the details like swap files, etc.

[@goldie6961]

I noticed you don’t have any videos on openSUSE, a lot of people seem to love it and a review would be pretty great from you, love the content as always

[@CaptZenPetabyte]

This really helps, thanks. Im going to run tails inside of whonix inside of a kvm/vert inside of an arch linux desktop inside of proxmox running inside a docker container inside a pod on truenas scale. 💥😎

[@terencemilbourn]

Then what?

[@miguelr246]

0:30 About this: Is it possible to do something like this on a host machine/VM running windows 10/7? I just saw Adrien Crenshaw's old Defcon presentation where @ the end he demonstrates getting people's IP addresses because other computer apps (like Office Word) don't respect Tor's proxy settings. Is there a method of doing something like what whonix did but on other OS's?

[@BobSockTwo]

I live in a Post-USSR country, I might need this lol

[@tailsprower9542]

11:26 Why is the User Firewall settings using the Nero Burner 6 icon?

[@TropicDaKid]

The only thing that those "Finally, it's here" comments should be about

[@charleshines1553]

A router with this running on it can be very useful. That or something that works similarly. Maybe run it on an old PC with two NICs as a firewall of sorts.

[@ThirtytwoJ]

Funny I was just wondering if would work with rasp pi as a VPN/tor router. Been looking at making one for a travel system.

[@georgerockwell-z3c]

Now I know how to do things without the FBI seeing. Thanks, FBI!

[@schnow265]

I have a Linux VM. In this VM I installed Whonix using KVM.

[@user-ry4ip9ps9x]

whonix is great and not a hastle to set up 10/10 👍

[@xmvziron]

Literally as I was attempting to use Whonix!

[@athens1005]

10/10 tech tips, great video

[@nostradamus1165]

was waiting for this video for ages Whonix is really an interesting distro

[@psielemental]

I hopefully never have to use this, but its nice to know that it exists.

[@ecanus-3605]

Honestly I'm not sure if this is safer than TailsOS(from USB boot)+TOR+Tunel.

[@BaggerPRO]

At 11:03 it turned out funny that you say that you could encrypt the volume and at the same time the volume window appears on the top right :)

[@elsombero1747]

That's really interesting. I never heard of Whonix KVM before. I usually have a SD Card with Tails for that in my old ThinkPad since it's really easy to setup. Well, My T60 isn't really that secure but recently I bought and repaired an old IdeaPad with 6gb RAM (4gb Soldered/ 2gb user replaceable) , some Ryzen 5 CPU and Windows 7 Starter on it. I'm actually curious to try it out on that Ideapad after I transfer my SSD to it. After all, this week I'll be getting a package from Lenovo with a brand new battery and display. The 4c 8t CPU should have enough of a punch to run a Linux KVM.

[@UU-dp9th]

Been waiting for this episode

[@salihmsa7530]

i like Qubes, but using an old thinkpad (air gapping my kit, i have the hardware so why not) really doesn’t permit having even more than 2 VMs running concurrently. Having a minimal and pruned Linux OS whilst running whonix is more ideal

[@joshuamaserow]

Saved to watch later before shaband

[@idtyu]

I think if you use this too much, NSA or FBI might tag the network packages thru your isp (which they always know where internet usage is from) just because you are shady

[@BOSS_1417]

How to be safe from that Public wifi?

[@mocanuadr90]

@@BOSS_1417 You may use a VPN to hide tor usage from your isp

[@displayname7t4]

Hello, love your content. What host distro do you use? Do you have a video on that?

[@pencilcase8068]

Finally a way to protect my deep fried dank memes from the glowies

[@ifodaniell]

Bah! You can select KVM from within VirtualBox to be your virtualization hypervisor.

[@zelenskysboot361]

Like the thread ripper high siding.😁

[@MemesnShet]

Hey apparently Apple is going to release a lockdown mode to protect against Pegasus and similar software I imagine it will mostly mitigate the damage Pegasus can do

[@therealb888]

Great news but sooner or later linux privacy folks need to expand their arsenal with opensource hardware. More & more attacks are getting hardware & cryptography based.

[@yunggoosbumps215]

Isn't the lockdown mode a step after believing that someone is in your phone? In which case won't protect anything that they have already accessed. The problem with pegasus is that most people have no idea they are infected, so it's kind of pointless for most iphones.

[@The-OGRE]

Instead of TOR, would the new Beacon browser be a more secure option?

[@kushalnitnaware]

Your view on downloading Qemu/kvm on windows 10 ?

[@vicstoron]

I want a video on Qubes now.

[@13thravenpurple94]

Great video Thank you

[@TheLinuxGallery-qz2vs]

I have a question What is the advantage of using Whonix, vs using two alpine data-disk installs configured to use tor? Also, how hard would it be to run a Whonix gateway in front of your bare metal?

[@damnedmadman]

If you have enough RAM, just put the virtual disk file in a tmpfs ramdisk 😎 (and disable swap)

[@alerey4363]

As I see it whonix's only advantage over TAILS is that it runs on a VM so if your dark web session is hacked your real OS/fs is safe; but kvm requieres too much resources; I'd prefer the risk of booting TAILS from a usb pendrive: it's fast, amnesiac (which whonix is not) and I won't save anything on my notebook fs

[@andrepipo4542]

With Tails, if your dark web session is hacked your real OS/fs is safe too. The advantage of Whonix is being able to run both your dark web OS and real OS securely at the same time

[@bcz1337]

No. Whonix is much better than Tails. Whonix is more secure/hardened, impossible to leak IP Address even if your Workstation has been compromised (since the tor gateway are not on Workstation like Tails) Full torified system and a lot of interesting tools like Kloak. Also you can make Whonix amnesic with Qubes-Whonix DispVM.

[@pier_is_losing]

What should I use on my main computer (not a burner) connected with ethernet cable? Tails or Whonix?

[@andrepipo4542]

@@pier_is_losing tails. Its easier

[@pier_is_losing]

@@andrepipo4542 Is it safer though? Virtualbox+Whonix is not that hard to install, but, what I understand is that it leaves traces on my hard drive? I can still reset the pc, there is not much stuff on it anyway. Soo I really don't know, I just want the safest option here, I'll probably be resetting the pc after browsing for a couple of days, not doing anything illegal, I'm just looking for a specific info. soo, tails or whonix?

[@GargoilXD]

I wonder how Whonix would do against an Intel computer with an Intel management engine. The low level "spyware" thing.

[@jeffbezos8917]

Hey, can you also make a video on invidious? It’s a secure frontend for youtube that you can make your own instance for.

[@RedVRCC]

15:08 a lot more convenient to _use_ sure but a lot more of a pain to set up. Tails is probably the easiest thing to actually set up

[@CaptZenPetabyte]

Can you recommend a video for invisible/anonymous/untraceable use of the internet? I know its actually not possible (reading the research papers) but I could at least protect against most pen-testing?

[@cybersechs1368]

11:05 encrypt the volume?? You mean like a luksFormat?? If so, could you make an episode of that? Or do you mean put the *.qcow2 files in an encrypted Truecrypt/Veracrypt container before you use it? I used to do that with my old VBOX files, but I think an encypted os volume would be more secure

[@baitinq3155]

Could you take a look at NixOS? I recently switched from a 4 year arch journey and I think its fantastic and probably the future of linux

[@vicstoron]

I mean, a look on NIxOS would be good. I'm not really a fan of transactional operating systems (really more of the rolling release type guy) but yeah, tested it a bit but I still think it's a more "advanced" user type of OS (at least for me) and, if I'm like, installing a transactional/atomic update system to someone like my grandmother or smt, I'd definitely prefer Fedora Silverblue tbh

[@sethadkins546]

How good is the general software availability? I've been wanting to switch for a lil bit but I'm worried there's less applications and drivers available than what I use right now (Manjaro).

[@baitinq3155]

@@sethadkins546 I believe it has the biggest repo of any distro 90k+, and adding custom packages is super simple

[@baitinq3155]

@@vicstoron it definitely requires some tinkering but once it's setup it's the most comfy os experience I've ever had

[@nguyennguyenkhang5800]

@@sethadkins546 I think enough for you to use. The only part that if you grab source from Internet and try to install or compile like normal mostly it won't be work so therefore you need to learn nix to touch it. Also installer is pretty easy now.

[@PeKaNo]

lmao did you just put tor in full screen

[@trashpanda-rz2xy]

i set up kali in virtualbox using whonix as a gateway without any issues, one thing i'm trying to figure out is if it's possible to configure the network settings to switch between routing traffic through the whonix gateway or using NAT to connect directly to my host machine. after spending 3 hours downloading updates through the tor network at 300kb/s i realized that it would be less painful to temporarily disconnect from whonix to do the updates.

[@tarnish3613]

I have questions... So the order of everything is PC > Storage Devices (SSD/HDD) > Hypervisor > VMs > Operating System > Web Browser, right? Qubes and Whonix are both operating systems. So why is Whonix ran INSIDE of Qubes, so Qubes > Whonix? KVM acts as a Hypervisor, thought the type, 1 or 2, is debated. Qubes uses a hypervisor called Xen. What's better, Xen or KVM? Why? And if KVM is considered better for whatever reason, then could you run Qubes inside of KVM, without security/performance disadvantages compared to Xen? So then the order of everything would be PC > Storage Devices > KVM OR Xen > Qubes > Whonix > Tor, correct? Another thing, I run Windows 10 with my SSD. I recently wanted to access the dark web, but I don't fuck around with security, so here I am asking every question thinkable after getting confused by my extensive research. I have an old 2TB HDD that hasn't been used in a long time with nothing important on it, as I backed up all the folders onto Google Drive and wiped my HDD. If I keep my SSD for my standard stuff on Windows, could I then install all my dark web stuff (Hypervisors, VMs, OSs, etc.) onto the HDD, set my HDD as my boot drive in my motherboard's BIOS, and then when I want to access the dark web do that and be safe? Would my SSD/Windows be safe if that's done? Oh, and before getting all the secure stuff, do you install standard Linux first? Thank you anyone in advance!

[@tylerdean980]

tails but riceable basically. I like the ability to customize, I normally just leave the gateway as CLI only, and put a window manager or something on the workspace VM

[@tylerdean980]

@Not Convinced no one asked you to interject, but here you are, the difference between us is that you're acting like an ass-hat and I'm not.

[@azatecas]

thanks i legit tried doing this a few weeks ago and couldnt get it working

[@1teamboy]

Same. I thought KVM was like, a cool version of VMware or something. But I think I was mistaken….. lmao

[@juligomez2493]

If I got host encrypted volume and only boot partition unencrypted is imposible to read swap data if I turn off the computer Right? I mean I don't have to disable nothing I'm with LUKS + lvm and LUKS over lvm

[@TheKeirsunishi]

Would love a video on whonix gateway cli, some of us need that extra ram lol

[@theWebmasterify]

All fine and dandy until you the pleasure to go through compromised Tor exit nodes

[@marston980]

Guys recommend some channel like this one

[@ukuk9576]

Now we just need a whonix-qubes video

[@whitenight8895]

Babe wake up Mental Outlaw just dropped

[@jokroast6912]

I like writing games to my drive. Though gaming is extraneous and unnecessary I enjoy it too much to give up.

[@itsbxntley2970]

The question is should you use a VPN on your host os so that they cant tell (Your ISP) youre connecting to tor?.... Or there's no need for that?

[@imoust7788]

There's no reason for you to hide that you're using Tor, since you can't know what you did using this proxy

[@moneymaketheworldgoround]

Will this run on a Debian 11 Live USB ? I always get an error when trying to run the Workstation...

[@byteexpress2214]

What about running Whonix on Tails OS, which itself is a VM on QubesOS?

[@kittentheboss2796]

I think this sounds great for the countries like China and North Korea

[@nilkonom]

i got some error when i was trying to run the gateway and then noticed it only gets 256MiB of RAM by default thus wasn't able to launch all the required systemd services

[@imoust7788]

I run with 512MiB RAM

[@fedoraguy5252]

i like Boxes call me crazy but it works for me.

[@xd_metrix]

Hi, I just want to say that English is not my native language, but I understand you well. However, when you constantly mix together things that I hear about for the first time and try to understand them, it's difficult for me to understand what you actually want to say, so maybe at the end of each big thought you should clearly say what you actually want to say. Thanks for understanding

[@HülyeLó]

Should one run Mullvad or some kind of VPN on the gateway VM?

[@JatinjayJAM]

I want to use to upload files without compromising my privacy can i do it?

[@crunchybones2528]

Kenny, I've been trying to get a dualboot working for a month and I'm losing my shit. I only need windows for a handful of applications, but they're all GPU intensive stuff like CAD and illustration software. I don't know if using a windows VM will run well enough with the performance hit but I'm sick of fucking with Windows and having it run its slimy tentacles through my entire system and break Linux every time I boot into it. do you have any recommendations?

[@Senshi00]

I have a secondary gpu ( Gtx 1050). For GPU intensive Windows only applications I use a Windows VM and pass through the second GPU. Since I also only have one monitor I use looking glass to access the video output. This works really well, no need to dual boot but you do need to dedicate a gpu to the vm.

[@TraceursMonkey]

Would you say this is more secure than Tails OS ?

[@monotonemoe]

Genuine question, why do you have 128gb of ram

[@Coolbluemountain]

cracking passwords

[@Zhejiangopterus]

can I safely use soulseek to download scatman john with this?

[@AndreasZeitler]

We still don't have a working version of Whonix for ARM-based Macs, have we?

[@nothingtoseeherelolkek]

There is testing version, but it’s not recommended

[@AndreasZeitler]

@@nothingtoseeherelolkek Last time I checked they hadn't compiled it. Do they have a working alpha release now?

[@askhowiknow5527]

Finally a honeypot from the ATF and NSA

[@LNVACVAC]

Can it run from RAM? I would like to boot it from BD-R and run from RAM.

[@sjalvmordsvalsen]

is there a video of you compiling gentoo on your threadripper?

[@draken5379]

You should really try out docker, its not as complicated as most think it is. Considering its used by by all cloud providers, its the most secure and up to date solution running instanced VMs.

[@DanLivings]

Docker containers aren't full VMs, they share the same kernel as the host OS.

[@rishirajsaikia1323]

@@DanLivings like wsl container OSs which share the wsl kernel.

[@draken5379]

@@DanLivings That doesnt stop you from having VMs, with containers within. Its just silly to have a separate VMs to isolate your 'virtual world' from the 'real world' computers. Easier to have just one, that is filled with containers.

[@DanLivings]

@@draken5379 I'm not sure what the point that you're trying to make is. Docker containers and VMs solve related but distinct problems. Sometimes the level of isolation provided by a container isn't enough and you will need a full VM.

[@guilherme5094]

Nice👍

[@tododigitalvzla]

Thanks a lot..

[@YasinEfeee]

KVM or Oracle VM VirtualBox for better option security and anonymity? (Maybe ı will start to use Linux for KVM, should ı do it or use Oracle VM VirtualBox)

[@imoust7788]

KVM

[@imoust7788]

Virtualbox is closed-source, KVM not

[@Zc4sh]

How about zero Knowledge at network base layer instead ?

[@arkvsi8142]

Time to get in the DarkGuep and buy a Tank for my school homework

[@nathancoats6432]

How do I set up the whonix gateway to use kicksecure os so I can set up I2P?

[@BriansHere]

Can you do a video on prestium os?

[@I_Unintentionally_Morph]

Is this a virtual machine I can use on my windows

[@TechLifeForLife]

I'm running into a "no bootable device" error and wondering if it has something to do with permissions. The gateway is owned by libvirt-qemu and the Workstation is owned by me (user). I have a Kali VM I run through KVM and it is set as root. Not sure how any of these got set, but do you think this is the issue?

[@TechLifeForLife]

I got it to work. Honestly, I think the problem was that I didn't unzip the files the way the instructions dictate.

[@marcosmos7478]

@@TechLifeForLife hey how did you get it to work?

[@DanteHaroun]

This vs Tails? Lol imagine running Whonix ON Talis

[@rishirajsaikia1323]

After you remove the tails live usb, all the KVM setup and whonix will be gone.

[@DanteHaroun]

​@@rishirajsaikia1323 Not necessarily, Tails does offer encrypted persistent storage for exactly this type of application. Its probably super overkill but it is definitely doable.

[@bcz1337]

@@DanteHaroun Wouldn't be good. Tails blocks all clearnet traffic. If you use KVM with any VM, the VM will have the traffic through tor too. Whonix Workstation need Whonix Gateway to work. If you use Tails + Whonix, you will have tor over tor traffic, which is slow and insecure. Qubes-Whonix is 100x better, more secure, stable and faster.

[@cylais3518]

Maybe a video of linux Qubeos ? 👉👈

[@pouet4608]

what is the state of the tor netwok? i mean do really anyone runs an end node at home?

[@heapsofeddies]

Is there a reason why I cant extract the download file so I can have the files separate therefore I can open in terminal and install?

[@heapsofeddies]

im using Linux MInt

[@xCwieCHRISx]

This is from the official Whonix Wiki Why use VirtualBox over KVM? VirtualBox advantages: The virtual network interfaces are better encapsulated inside the VM by VirtualBox. Virtual network interfaces by VirtualBox: Are invisible on the host using tools such as "sudo ifconfig". corridor leak tested. Therefore Whonix VirtualBox has a higher leak-proofness then Whonix KVM. KVM disadvantages: Virtual network interfaces by KVM: Are visible on the host using tools such as "sudo ifconfig". KVM: This complicates leak tests because tshark / wireshark on the host can see connections between Whonix-Workstation and Whonix-Gateway . KVM: Therefore also leak-testing using corridor on the host failed. KVM: host software such as for example NordVPN client kill-switch can break Whonix-Workstation KVM network connectivity.

[@piemain]

one day computer science drake will be revealed to be a federal agent trying to make people use software that they think is secure and private but is actually secretly backdoored

[@algerotrancer]

why iso version is taking so long

[@sstobbe1817]

Why mention the Dark Web and give a very negative sound on Whonix? It's for going online private and secure. Usable for everybody who needs that, for example in countries where sharing your opinion already is a crime.

[@howling-wolf]

When my traffic is already routed through the tor network, does it make sense to use the tor browser then? Wouldn't that be unnecessary?

[@sm_stormzy1075]

I don't know a lot about this, but I'm pretty sure it brings more anonymity since pretty much everyone else is using Tor Browser as well

[@Rei-x]

tor to some extent prevents fingerprinting your browser

[@bcz1337]

Tor is more hardened than Firefox and protects you from fingerprinting, since everyone who use Tor Browser and don't modify him (adding extensions, changing Proxy settings, etc) have the same fingerprint.