WHY ANGRON IS THE GREATEST PRIMARCH!

[@SirKanti1]

Spoiler Warning for the novel Saturnine - Angron is the only one of the traitors to realise that the defenders of the Eternity wall space port have been sent there to die, they do not have the forces to defend it. Perty, Horus, Fulgrim, none of them recognise it but Angron still has enough honour to offer the defends a chance to surrender, to spare the lives that Dorn has thrown away. Very underrated moment by him.

[@logangodofcandy]

How sweet. He couldn't probably feel it from the loyalists knowing they were boned

[@disgruntledtoons]

"We'd be more inclined to trust you if you didn't have that Slaaneshi worshipper standing with you."

[@timothylyons5686]

Perty realized the war was going tits up and decided to leave and save his legion

[@_AvgWellInformedCitizen]

Angron gave the defenders of the Eternity Wall the option to surrender?? That is profound indeed, especially after his ascension to demonhood.

[@SeanHenderson]

His still got doughnut punched by the angel, who snatched his weave Dafuq out! Sanguinius who knew he had some black girl in him

[@Trollioli]

I love how Big E literally had a party with Leman Russ. Drinking, fighting, eating, spear throwing. And yet he couldn't be bothered to help out Angron with his gladiators.

[@sonicsucks20]

Russ is 40ks Gary Stu.

[@chubbyninja89]

That's an excellent point. I truly hate how some stupid biased writers handled some of these characters. I'm not saying that they should've made Konrad Curze or Angron a bunch of peace loving hippies who wouldn't harm a fly, the writers did some truly stupid things with how the Emperor treated Angron. I would've preferred it if the writers just had Big E show up at the last second and teleport Angron out of his final battle in desperation, and they were only that late due to warp nonsense.

[@cassiusaureliusanima]

​@@chubbyninja89 That would have been an excellent solution. The only reasonable explanation that I have for this action is that, at some point, he had seen what Angron would become and he centered his attention to teach the other primarchs instead of him

[@chubbyninja89]

@@cassiusaureliusanima Honestly, I feel like it's pretty dumb for the writers to try to rely on the idea of fate so much, as it's just lazy writing that ultimately makes all the supposed choices of the characters mean nothing in the end. And it doesn't help when the Tzeentch fanboys get all "it's all according to Tzeentch's plans!" either. But I just feel like Angron should've had a more tragic but reasonable backstory instead of Big E just being an asshole to him for no reason.

[@DveTriEbole]

@@cassiusaureliusanima But that makes no sense, if he could see what Angron could become without helping him he surely could have seen that if he helped Angron he would have gotten the most loyal of all primarchs. Angron was a blood crazed berserker because of the nails but he valued honor and the emperor coming in to fight with him and save his gladiators would have earned him Angrons unwavering loyalty

[@JesterHellequin]

Angron saves Lorgar from being stomped by a titan Lorgar "saves" Angron from his own mortality much like how the Emperor "saved" him To quote an old movie "You didn't save my life you ruined my death" Angron doesn't even have the freedom to die on his own terms like Curze or Sanguinius yet never gave in like Mortarion

[@DeadtotheworldProductions]

Had he died he would just have been swallowed up by the warp. I think being an immortal demon prince is a much more preferable option

[@lichboi3402]

Honestly he did 100% get the shittiest deal outta all the primarchs lost his aura, lost his only family and the emperor literally just had to sent what like 30-40 custodies to help his army and bam loyal angron would still have the nails but fuck would be a way better turn out

[@commissaryarrick9670]

Honestly i feel like the emperor could have fixed him but was not really interested in helping him . Almost like he knew he would be corrupted no matter what .So why waste time and resources on him .

[@mcmarkmarkson7115]

The Emperor gave Angron the means to take revenge on the nobels and he still hated the emperor Sacrificing custodes who are worth more than some entire planets for some broken and tortured slaves? Dude has a galaxy to run. The emperor can easily be described as a god, having to worry about every little temper tantrum is not how you win the great game against multiple real gods and all the alien threats, people often forget the complexity of what the Emperor has to deal with

[@NueThunderKing]

@@mcmarkmarkson7115it’s not about the “shitty” slaves, it’s all about not giving Angron something to hate you and your dream and to make him help you willing. The Emps was a complete retard with him.

[@user-yf4gx4rf8h]

@@mcmarkmarkson7115 Sacrificing custodes ? Who on that backward planet was taking out a custodes ? He was in warship, over the planet, WITH the sons of Angron. AND HES BIG E, that not a fight thats a slaughter. Bro could have taken a long lunch break and handled that world. Then he might have had a loyal trusting Angron. Also and i might be incorrect but they found the world that created the Nails, but by then Angron was already gone and choose revenge over taking the plant and having them learn how the nails worked. There is a real and clear path that Angron could have had the nails removed , even if the damage couldn't be undone ....If he had anyone (sane) that cared about him.

[@crowejagerson3628]

Pretty sure Angron only gave up fighting the nails when the Emperor refused to help and let his family die without him. The nails were still going to kill Angron eventually but Angron was a very loyal individual but he was loyal on a personal level. If you meant something to him he would do anything for you. The Emperor didn't value the ones Angron loved so Angron didn't value the imperium.

[@Unfitforpurpose]

As much credit as I have to give Adnett for writing Papa Smurf in a way that actually made him interesting to me Aaron Dembski-Bowden did an even better job making a character who was previously just a murder machine into something genuinely sympathetic.

[@mistercmartin]

If he had been found before the nails were implanted, Angron MIGHT have been one of the greatest primarchs.

[@chanceholland8153]

Wasn't he actually suposed to be one of the most compassionate primarchs before........well, everything happened to him?

[@logangodofcandy]

He had extreme psycher powers of empathy and absorbed the negative emotions of those around him, giving them some reprieve and taking it all upon himself. Having the nails and then having them implanted in all of your legion sounds like hell, but he became emotionally dependant on these feelings. Emperor fucked up royally

[@disgruntledtoons]

If only the Emperor who was smart enough to develop all of the technology required to make Space Marines was smart enough to deactivate a few implants.

[@pghj100]

​@disgruntledtoons he got all of the imperiums greatest minds together to try. They couldn't remove them without killing him because they fused to his brain and replaced his limbic node and insular cortex.

[@Doku71]

​@disgruntledtoons sections of Angron's brain were removed by the Nucerian slavers to have the implants catch. The Emperor basically told the surgeon who checked him out, tell no one, he's broken, but still functional. The Emperor also wasn't the one who solely developed the tech needed for the Custodes, Space Marines, or Primarchs, it was the Perpetuals he managed to get to work with him before they realized the entirety of his plans and leaving him.

[@barlotardy]

Man, I wish GW would at least throw us an alternate history novella where we got Calmgron instead.

[@isaakhyde8327]

Calmgron is OD 😂

[@bobmckelvey7905]

Angrons Perfect Son speech to Guilliman always makes you wonder what he would've been without the mutilation of the nails "What would you know of struggle, Perfect Son? Hnh? When have you fought against the mutilation of your mind? When have you had to do anything more than tally compliances and polish your armour?’ ‘Childish,’ Guilliman sighed, gesturing to the burning, dying city. ‘Does it really come down to this? So pitiably childish.’ ‘Childish? The people of your world named you Great One. The people of mine called me Slave.’ Angron stepped closer, chainswords revving harder. ‘Which one of us landed on a paradise of civilisation to be raised by a foster father, Roboute? Which one was given armies to lead after training in the halls of the Macraggian high-riders? Which one of us inherited a strong, cultured kingdom?’ Angron sprayed bloody spit as he frothed the words. ‘And which one of us had to rise up against a kingdom with nothing but a horde of starving slaves? Which one of us was a child enslaved on a world of monsters, with his brain cut up by carving knives?’ The two primarchs met again. Guilliman’s powered gauntlets should have easily deflected Angron’s chainswords, but the World Eater’s strength drove his brother back step by step. Chain-teeth sprayed from the weapons as eagerly as the saliva from Angron’s lipless slit of a mouth. ‘Listen to your blue-clad wretches yelling of courage and honour, courage and honour, courage and honour. Do you even know the meaning of those words? Courage is fighting the kingdom that enslaves you, no matter that their armies overshadow yours by ten thousand to one. You know nothing of courage. Honour is resisting a tyrant when all others suckle and grow fat on the hypocrisy he feeds them. You know nothing of honour.’ Guilliman parried, forced back further by the storm of Angron’s blows. He finally landed a glancing blow, his fist pounding across Angron’s breastplate. The chain of Desh’elika skulls shattered, bone shards scattering across the dirt. ‘You’re still a slave, Angron. Enslaved by your past, blind to the future. Too hateful to learn. Too spiteful to prosper.’"

[@user-yf4gx4rf8h]

If all you knew of 40k was this convo who would you think was the smart one. RG is such a knob in universe when it comes to his bros.

[@SSangsen]

Angron was bizarelly sober in this conversation. 90 % right (cause Guilliman had his share of struggle, nothing in comparison to Angron though).

[@bobmckelvey7905]

@@user-yf4gx4rf8h I think Guilliman was always a Horus alternative is things went wrong he was created to organize and has a compulsion to create Empires. Angron very much says it right Guilliman is the "Perfect Son" sure tossed by chaos by grown under Perfect conditions no other Primarch had . He is his fathers son a disciple of the Imperial truth with a belief in his father and the further plans for his sons as well. When he comes back he is devasted but he takes the mantle of lord commander de facto Warmaster of the Emperium for the second time . The Eldar knew that they dont do anything unless it helps them. They chose Guilliman because he the best chance the Eldar have to battle the forces of Chaos . Even through the Heresy books Horus is even a admirer of Guilliman not as a fighter but in the way his legionares act the structure of his legion he compares him Ironically to the Primarch Fulgrim who later kills him in his broken monsters monologue Fulgrim stressed perfection Guilliman is the perfect son Horus knows it and Angron nails it.

[@chubbyninja89]

To be fair, Angron was mostly right, at least in comparison of him and Guilliman. I mean, I know Guilliman lost his adoptive father, but he objectively had it far easier than some of his other problems, especially Angron. I mean, when you grow up in a nice loving family of nobles on a advance world, you do kind of have it far better than someone who was pretty much fighting for their lives from the first time they can remember.

[@walterholyfield3203]

@@chubbyninja89Two things can be true. Angron had a harder life. However, he WAS childish and could not move past his orgins. They were both right. Only thing is, is it a bad thing Roboute had a decent upbringing?

[@atomiicchi3f983]

"Successfully led" is an interesting way of saying his legion wanted to conect to him and took the abuse like a son trying to make it work with his alocholic physically abusive father

[@curtise.gill67]

Sounds like a normal relationship to me.

[@user-yf4gx4rf8h]

@@curtise.gill67 Wait is that NOT how you parent? I thought the whole point of family was to get right to the Stockholm syndrome

[@curtise.gill67]

@user-yf4gx4rf8h exactly deep mental trauma, Bonds a family through the generations. It's beautiful really.

[@WyWall]

Hey Mr Rho, thanks for being my driving material for years, love your channel, and the content is always amazing.

[@theodoremccarthy4438]

Don’t forget, he also was the only Primarch to see the Emperor for the tyrant slaver he was from day one.

[@Subject_Keter]

And? Humanity could of got gobbled up by WAY worst things then the Emperors conquest to defeat the Choas Gods. The Choas Gods are so fat and evil it warps all logic to "you want to remove them, you automagically good"

[@chubbyninja89]

I don't think the Emperor is a tyrant slaver by any means, as he does want to bring humanity together, and he's been alive long enough to understand why stern leadership is needed.

[@horuslupercalaurelian1569]

00:48 Yes! Sanguinius, the black rage, staying calm and cool when his bros were already acting Namekian before the heresy. Being an awesome guy when there's were other awesome guys around him, Favored by the Emperor even though he had the best qualities.

[@benjaminchilders4122]

I think angron never truelly was allowed to show is true self the way the other did. I think angrin was completely justified in his turn to chaos and betray the emperor

[@murdock94]

Angron is the primarch I sympathize with the most. While they were weapons and tools to be used, he was the one treated the most like a thing. Magnus got screwed over the quickest, but Angron got screwed over the hardest.

[@Lili_Chen2005]

I don't think that even a lore master like Rho can pull this one off...

[@saeyabor]

He did it. He had to route it through "most tragic," but he pretty much did it lol.

[@davidgarcia-wb1yn]

There is only one lore master, and Luetin is his name.

[@tomgardner2253]

​@@davidgarcia-wb1ynwhy are you here instead of pissing on this video

[@emperor002002]

Angron has the saddest story. Most deserving of his vengeance, justice, and Retribution. But not the greatest. 😞

[@user-yf4gx4rf8h]

I guess you cant say he is the "greatest". But its kind of like seeing the guy that inherited a 2 billion dollar business vs the guy that built a 1 billion dollar business all by themselves. Not the greatest, but still the best.

[@koalatysleep]

Has the best traitor model for sure

[@silversurfer8818]

This is going to be difficult to defend

[@itsyaboyskinnnypimp42069]

Its like defending a Sand Castle while my 4yo ASPD brother is around

[@bobbobertbobberton1073]

Yeah, he's my favourite but he's definitely not the greatest Primarch, although their were great things about his, some of which were greater than any other Primarch, but the greatest is impossible to defend.

[@BlackRaven-cv7zm]

If he hadn't been nailed hard by some creepy dude who knows what would have happened. But it is what it is. He was nailed hard.

[@mattezuka1274]

im convinced angron was supposed to be magnus' backup in case magnus fell to chaos.

[@christophermcbride4230]

How so?

[@joshk8312]

The Emperor built in contingencies with all of his sons. Which of the other Primarcs was a psyker on par with Magnus? I can see Angron being the broken replacement.

[@christophermcbride4230]

@joshk8312 @mattezuka1274 I'm aware the Emperor had contingencies with the Primarchs, I'm asking how is Angron comparable to Magnus?

[@joshk8312]

@christophermcbride4230 I'm saying before the butcher's nails. Angron didn't have the chance to develop his power. This is all just going off of hints and suggestions, though. So unless GW clarifies, we won't know.

[@Ninja40K]

The Emperor spends time with Vulkan, Guilliman, and Lion but not with poor Angron. He doesn't even allow the War Hounds to help him because of his vision. Yet he explains to Rah that seeing the future doesn't mean it will happen.

[@worldeater2414]

One of these days Rho will have to realize Russ just went to Ghenna to get his ass kicked and nothing else, it however shall take more time clearly lmao

[@vogelsound]

Excellent perspective. Angron has been my favourite Primarch since I started following 40k for pretty much the same reasons you listed here. He did a lot of things pre-nails (and even some post-nails) that would suggest he was intended to be a caring individual. Like when he refused to kill his father figure, or even when he was first entered in the pits and killed who he had to as quickly and painlessly as possible. Especially since every other primarch trait has at least 2 counterparts, it's odd that only Vulcan is seen as truly caring. It also tracks why Big E just let him loose when he found him. He figured his programming would override the trauma he went through but Big E probably didn't know the extent the nails went to.

[@SeanHenderson]

These pitches will only get harder and harder to sell moving forward!

[@purpleblue5205]

Can't wait for Wolf Lord Rho to cover the reason why the Lost Primarchs are the greatest. Primarch [Redacted] of the [Redacted] legions is the greatest Primarch due to his actions on [Readacted] where he and his legions [Redacted list of feats and timeline], thus cementing him as the greatest.

[@barbados3592]

Given that Horus was so outraged at how they were treated, they probably rebelled against the psychopathic emperor

[@RaimoKangasniemi]

Well, they were such a threat that they had and their legions had to be erased, not just from existence, but the minds of those who knew them, so they could have had the potential to be the greatest. Emperor didn't do that with Lorgar when he disobeyed. Just destroyed his city. So, they might have been the greatest - and tipped the Heresy. Or would have even led it.

[@Subject_Keter]

​@@RaimoKangasniemito my eye, i think they were probably something just wrong, like something so bad they had to be removed once found. I personally think one could warp reality or something where it like "oh no, cant risk that."

[@RaimoKangasniemi]

@@Subject_Keter As each Primarch had special talents, theirs might indeed have been something that turned out to be too dangerous! (So why not someone whose capabilities exceeded those of Magnus like that.)

[@Subject_Keter]

​@@RaimoKangasniemi lol, the thing that gets me was how quickly they covered them up was. If they were like big, mean and didnt want to follow the Emperor.. you could just say some foul xenos created a mockery of man but for them to be wuickly scrubbed, hidden and destoryed reminds me of that memetic attack in the campaign to claim ... pluto? That one the Imperial Fists had to murder everyone thay hear it. Also Malacdor was ready to psiblast Horus for bringing it up. Like damn.

[@Kallisto.0]

Vulkan stands out as arguably the greatest primarch in Warhammer 40k, embodying the best qualities of humanity in a grimdark universe. His unparalleled compassion for common people sets him apart in a galaxy of indifference and cruelty. As a perpetual, Vulkan's immortality makes him an enduring beacon of hope. His mastery of craftmanship has produced some of the most powerful artifacts in the Imperium, while his physical strength rivals even Angron or Leman Russ. Yet it's Vulkan's leadership that truly shines - inspiring unwavering loyalty through example rather than fear or manipulation. Unlike many of his brothers, Vulkan never lost sight of why they fight. He's a strategic genius who values civilian lives, proving that empathy and military prowess aren't mutually exclusive. His moral compass remained true even as others fell to chaos or tyranny. In a setting where even demigods can be corrupted, Vulkan's incorruptible nature and dedication to humanity's protection make him a paragon of what a primarch should be. He's not just a great warrior or leader, but a great person - and that's what sets him above the rest.

[@rexaxis3450]

His rage that even his sons couldn't subdue insinuates that he's not as perfect as he seems, that eldar child burned for it.

[@Kallisto.0]

@@rexaxis3450 Hold up, that's a pretty big misunderstanding of Vulkan's character arc. Sure, he's not perfect - no primarch is - but that incident with the Eldar child is way more complex than simple rage. It happened during the Heresy when Vulkan was basically driven insane by repeated deaths and resurrections. It's not his normal state at all. Remember, Vulkan's whole deal is being compassionate. That moment was a low point caused by extreme trauma, not his true nature. If anything, it shows how much the Heresy messed him up, to push someone like Vulkan to that point. It's more a testament to how bad things got than a flaw in his character. Plus, Vulkan felt horrible about it afterwards. It's not like he just shrugged it off. If anything, this moment humanizes him more than it undermines his compassion. It shows he can make mistakes and feel remorse, which is pretty rare for a primarch.

[@rexaxis3450]

@@Kallisto.0 he hadn't died at that point, this was before isstvann, insanity had no part to play.

[@Kallisto.0]

@@rexaxis3450 Ah, my bad on the timeline there. You're right, this was before Isstvan. But that doesn't change the core point. Vulkan's actions with the Eldar child were seriously out of character, and there's more context to consider. Remember, this was during a compliance action where Vulkan had just watched Eldar raiders slaughter human colonists, including children. He was in the heat of battle, facing an enemy known for their cruelty. It's not excusing his actions, but it explains why he might've snapped in that moment. This incident is more of an outlier than a representation of who Vulkan really is. Throughout the rest of the lore, he's consistently shown as compassionate, even to xenos at times. One awful moment doesn't erase everything else about his character. Also, it's worth noting that Vulkan's struggles with his own strength and potential for violence are part of what makes him complex. He's not perfect, and that's kind of the point. His constant effort to be kind and protect others, despite having that capacity for rage, is what defines him.

[@TheSickjits]

@@Kallisto.0 Sorry but sang is best boy

[@silverdragon3332]

Great video. Didn't think you be able to make this good a argument for him.

[@cesarerinaldi6750]

🔴 Loyalist Angron who is trained by the Warrior Kings and Gladiators of Nuceria to fight against the bloody Beastmen tyrants. Have you ever seen those oil paintings (with stoic quotes) of Roman soldiers as gladiators in the arena, surrounded by a crowd of other soldiers? It's exactly what Nuceria and Angron should be! Is my latest version of Loyalist Angron much fairer? The Beastmen as the tyrants (influenced by Khorne) fighting the Warrior Kings of Nuceria! (Similar to the Necromancer Overlords, influenced by Nurgle, fighting the Death Guard of Barbarus)

[@chainsawsubtlety9828]

"Is there truly a Primarch who has overcome as much as Angron?" Yes. Vulkan. He has overcome death itself. Like, 497 times. "Is there a Primarch who has had the odds so stacked against him, and yet still lived?" I'm not certain that I would define what Angron now has/is as 'living'.

[@Mortarion-xt9wp]

He had all the odds stacked against him. It broke him...

[@chainsawsubtlety9828]

@@Mortarion-xt9wp I'm trying really hard not to mention how dirty you did Natty Garro. ;)

[@NicholasSpeer-d7n]

Got me looking at Angron a whole new way, Rho!

[@mohammedyesufu9360]

The really want to hear your arguments for Mortarion and Corvus Corax. Tough days ahead😂

[@Drizzt1Fan]

I would argue that if Angron had been able to become what he was meant to be (a healer or at least a paladin like figure similar to Sanguineous but focused on compassion) the heresy may not have happened. All of them represent an aspect of the emperor and given that he was the only one truly broken he was likely the missing piece that would have held it all together. Be it to provide arguments that may have swayed Horus or being the compassion that reminded the Primarchs of what they were fighting for. Vulcan’s only fault is his seeming inability to show the same compassion to xenos as he does humanity. I feel like Angron was meant to be the one more open to such. Any one of them missing would likely cause the downfall it just happened to be Angron. The one most likely to get them to connect with each other and see past there differences due to his empathic abilities.

[@Crowd7]

I imagine the Emperor was prepared to purge the whole legion if Angron didn’t stop slaughtering them

[@davidburnett5049]

Im glad there isnt much time travel, but if there was, young Angron deserves rescue.

[@Erikjust]

Yeah the lore really needs to be updated here. Okay so Angron didn´t conquer his homeworld and was close to being slaughtered by the high riders. However the Emperor and his custodes where in orbit. Same with the War hounds. So why not just teleport them down and help Angron?

[@isaacfreeman1]

5:15 IIRC Malcador says that when Angron was found, all his allies were dead, partially by his own hands. Angron is a particularly unreliable narrator. I could imagine Big E was also upset about his custodes. While he was unconscious, The Emperor found he wouldn't be able to remove the nails. It replaced majority of his brain matter IIRC. Neoth is not known for his compassion, but his broken general still got a legion to work with.

[@malb.4107]

These are so awesome, thanks.

[@WhiteIkiryo-yt2it]

Haven't pressed play yet but you must of had a hell of a time trying to get this one done.

[@Elthenar]

There are going to be some serious mental gymnastics in this video lol

[@blank8460]

He had a 'broken' primarch...he worked with what he could, he let him hate him so he could even somewhat work

[@ViperC78]

Has April 1st come around again already?

[@codysing1223]

"Father?" "Is it over?"

[@GideonWallace]

The bastard of bastards, holding onto to the only form of honor he could. Defiance.

[@symz4665]

What poor judgement from the Emperor to have taken Angron from his rebellion and war brothers instead of helping him. It would of been nothing for him to help his son at that moment and by doing so would of made Angron his most loyal son probably.

[@Crowd7]

Baby Angron must’ve been quick!

[@mikepatterson6416]

I am a HUGE Angron fan! Greatest of all? Hmmm, yeah, maybe!

[@parrisbrandon5553]

Angron was the sole traitor Primarch who resisted submission to the ruinous powers, ultimately being transformed into a demon prince by Lorgar, who falsely claimed to be acting in his best interest.

[@perjohanaxell9862]

The problem is that he didn't overcome his obstacles. He was dragged down by them. Ultimately losing his humanity and becoming a deamon.

[@britishpalmtree9268]

I feel that angron was originally meant to be the emperor's successor. Having the most humanity and care. And when the emperor realised what he had become, he lost hope with him and just sent him off to do what he could

[@sovereign-of-scars4372]

That was every bit the hard sell I thought it would be. I really wanna see what happens when you get to Konrad and Lorgar 😂

[@richardch.4356]

Angron is truly one of my favorite primarchs he was never loyal to the emperor to begin with.

[@rorywilson656]

Well, it was a tough rank. Fair play ;)

[@AgeofGuns]

The Emperor’s favorite Clown.

[@ethanmiller5559]

I think the best you can argue about Angron is that it wasn't his fault.

[@Reyma777]

Angron is essentially a defective Primarch due to the Butcher’s Nails.

[@racspartan1]

Angron is so Underrated in his Fighting Potential.

[@chubbyninja89]

Let's be real guys. If Angron didn't get the butcher's nails implanted into him, he would've been one of the greatest primarchs, in a similar vein to Vulkan, due to his compassion and humanity. I think that if it weren't for those damned things, he and Vulkan would've been best friends and Angron would've been the glue that held the primarchs together. I think that it's not only unfair, but incredibly stupid how Angron was treated. I don't expect the Emperor to give every primarch a big ol hug, but just the way he treated Angron was so damn stupid that I utterly refuse to think it was anything but utterly crappy writing by idiots who make him treat Angron so damn badly. I'd just prefer it if they had taken the lazy way out and have Big E arrive late and just have to teleport Angron out of his final battle at the last second due to warp nonsense or something.

[@RaimoKangasniemi]

Angron can compete for the title of "most tragic" Primarch and would in my top three, but yes, I am one of those people who can't just consider him the "greatest". He hasn't overcome his difficulties, he struggled, he won some of them - and then succumbed. He is one Primarch for which there is hard to see redemption, and whose death would be a mercy. But as a demon, he is denied even that.

[@DJSkittles365]

People always lookover The Butcher's Nails on why Angron is behind other Primarchs'. The guy was possibly the 3rd or 4th physically strongest one amongst his brothers as well his martial prowess in combat as well as his leadership. He trained every gladiator to overthrow or break The Nucerian Highriders prestigious military. If he had not gotten The Butcher's Nails, them it is possibly the Horus Heresy would not have happened.

[@benjaminchilders4122]

By what was just said in this video. Him wanting to show empathy to others but everytime he got close to doing somet that would grant him peace it was ripped away and then replaced with more pain and suffering. What would you expect of of yourself if that happened to you

[@abrahamxavierraja6742]

I disagree majorly with your point here, Rho. Angron never 'overcame' his past. He was a victim to it. He survived it, but the overcame is too generous as he completely let's it control everything he ever did. Basically my point is what Guillerman said in his fight with Angron, he is a slave to his past and never overcame it. Honestly, Angron is the only Primarch, based on current lore, I can completely understand why he turned traitor. Not that it justifies it, mind you, but at least understandable.

[@livingghost7975]

Bro was buddies with sanguinious that gives him bonus points in my book

[@olorin3815]

Did Wolf Lord Rho start making comedy videos

[@prodfkamakesmusic]

He’s my favorite primarch so he’s the greatest by pure bias alone

[@Tsunamiieh]

Angron and vulkan were similar pre butcher nails and you cannot change my mind.

[@draganjovanov4933]

Well, knowing that he is in pain all the time, like always, and when they put you as a slave like a chuld, i don't thin any other Primarch would do any better.All of them would end up like him.He is my favorite, and i belive that in future he would be way better and more relevant.There is so many things you can do with him, it is insane.Maybe just maybe, the only who could do better there is Konrad.

[@brettpalmer1770]

He is the one I respect the most. I don't think he is the best but you have to respect the guy.

[@utchiaRaven]

Hersey he can't be greatest if there is one that is greatest is sanguineius

[@FrederikEngelmand]

the greatest will always be roboute for his immaculate tax returns.

[@Sugarierspoon99]

Aside from sanguinius, russ, lion, and horus i don't think and primarch could 1 vs 1 angron without cheating like perturabo hitting him with artillery or a hypothetical fight with vulcan where he could come back from death.

[@vladimirthegreen6097]

Russ was defeated by Angron

[@SpaceHov]

​@vladimirthegreen6097 agreed, no matter the statement of teaching him a lesson, Russ said he couldn't hold back, and Angron still stomped him in the 1v1. Russ' men saved him. Completely different than russ "winning" Angron took that fight straight up

[@trajanfidelis]

This one is gonna be a reach, but thanks for the video!

[@bobbobertbobberton1073]

One great thing about him is that he was never actually turned, he never really joined the Emperor, he only fought in the crusade so he could find something that could kill him so he could join his brothers and sisters. He wasn't first corrupted like the other traitor Primarchs. They were manipulated, most times due to their ego, but Angron just did what he had been made to do by the nails.

[@logangodofcandy]

He is not weak the the affect of the nails. He is weak only to his dependence on the suffering

[@Subject_Keter]

I would say getting pranked by Lorgar and fused into the literal thing you hate the most is worst. The others WANTED to be ascended, Angron just wanted to eat a vortex grenade.

[@bobbobertbobberton1073]

@@Subject_Keter You have to agree to become a Daemon Prince.

[@Subject_Keter]

​@@bobbobertbobberton1073 I dont think the guy who literally wants to ultradie would willingly be transformed into a undying slave. If anything that makes it even worst. That like getting forever locked in your restroom.

[@bobbobertbobberton1073]

@@Subject_Keter Doesn't matter the lore is the lore, you can't be made to be a Daemon Prince no more than you can be made to follow chaos.

[@theemissary1313]

Of all the primarchs, Angron was indeed the most shafted by the Emperor.

[@chriswolfe403]

You did a fantastic job at defending the lamest primarch, well done sir!

[@tearsinpain]

Best Primarch at destroying his own sons ! Close second Pert and Magnus.

[@danieltilleru3528]

Someone finally agree

[@100thMkey]

wasn't Angron one of the last to be found? I think at this point the Emperor knew he was on a timer. and once he saw the butchers nails and how Angron was raised The Emperor realized it would take too much time and effort to rehabilitate him, and even then it wouldn't have brought him back to 100%. So the Emperor decided angron would just have to be a blunt weapon of destruction. just a nuke that you fire at your enemies. Which is also why he abducted Angron and immediately handed him over to his legion with no training. He knew no matter what that Angron was always gonna be angry and unreasonable, so no point in trying. All The Emperor Required of Angron was what he was already good at, killing.

[@TheOtherSteel]

I'm going to say no, by a long shot. Insanely violent, forces his own troops to be insanely violent, turned traitor, self-pitying, only being a Primarchs gave him any ability to function normally long enough to avoid killing his own allies.

[@thekurgan14]

That claim no one could beat angron in a fight seems suspect. I don't imagine a frothing berserker is beating either of the 2 with future sight

[@joshk8312]

I needed a good laugh. Thank you bro😂

[@amargwari2431]

I love you Rho, but the best primarch is NO DOUBT, Lorgar

[@euanbeveridge5489]

It's been a while since I've felt this clickbaited 🤣

[@Subject_Keter]

I think a angry man who literally has everyone say "murder" but would of done so in Honor would be nice.. but Angron is just the worst, if he wasnt a Primarch i think Big E would of just put him out of misery.

[@RobouteGuilliman-M41]

Angron and Magnus are part of what makes 40k stupid. Angron is portrayed as this existential threat, but the man that helps destroy planets, the man that completely regenerates as though nothing happened after being disintegrated by starship scale weaponry can be beaten by some jerk named El'Jonson. He's supposed to be this great fighter, then he's supposed to be this great fighter augmented to Demon Primarch status, along with becoming Champion of Khorne, but he can't beat El'Jonson. It doesn't make sense, and it's stupid, Magnus is supposed to be almost as powerful as the Corpse Emperor, himself, but an unwashed barbarian like Russ can beat him, like it's nothing. Then, after being enhanced to Demon Primarch status by Tzeentch, he still not powerful enough to beat Russ. He's Tzeentch's CHAMPION, but he can't beat anybody. This is why I ignore stories with them coming back, because all the writers aren't worth SHYTE, and can't figure out how to make Daemon Primarch look like actual threats. They way they portray them, an Adepta Sororitas tryout can take every Daemon Primarch in hand to hand combat, and smoke them.

[@RogueSanta]

You'd think Magnus pysker powers would make him the most dangerous

[@Black_Dollarz]

Greatest? Nah. Most tragic? absolutely !

[@Matihood1]

I never really liked the part of Angron's backstory where the Emperor just steals him from the planet and then teleports him to his legion. It just didn't make any sense.

[@barlotardy]

I'm as pro-XII legion as it gets, but man....this is gonna be a tough sell.

[@jonathanryan9946]

This video is heresy

[@robertbritt3129]

How can someone be the greatest if they can't control there anger...more over how can you be the greatest when you a psycho and cannot think strait you can be set strait but cannot continue strait in any form or fashion...no sir greatest I think not maybe most insane worst to be worst life ever but greatest. Greatest what greatest pain and confusion?

[@robertbritt3129]

Liked and commented...check

[@chanceholland8153]

I know it's annoying, but you used the wrong "there". There= place. Their=possession. They're = they are. I know, nobody REALLY cares, but my mind won't let it go until I say something. Sorry

[@logangodofcandy]

Angron is bent, confirmed?

[@pyotrbagration2438]

Only one to see Big E for the slaver that he is, loyalists mad.

[@TheBriarWolf]

You got jokes today 😂😂😂

[@midasjones4384]

I felt sorry for angron but then i realised he's a stroppy teen with daddy issues.

[@andrewmeyer2926]

Angron should have been the disappeared like the other two primarchs that nobody knows anything about.

[@browniechann88blackie55]

I have so many questions 😅

[@thatotherguy8138]

Interesting argument. I disagree, unfortunately. Simply because he did end up allowing himself to be enslaved by the Emperor. He was one of the few Primarchs who understood that the Emperor was a monster, but unlike Corax, Angron was never told WHY the Emperor was a monster. (I'm firm in the belief that if the Emperor had not told Corax about the Warp, Corax would have rebelled against the Emperor as well.) He almost escaped. He almost went free. But in the end, he was brought back and he kept on slaughtering billions on the orders of a Monster. Regardless of what hardships he went through, the fact he submitted to the Emperor and knowingly did evil in his name of the Emperor (in Angron's view, at least) is more than enough to negate any argument about him being the "greatest". Could he have been the greatest? Possibly. I believe he would have been in the top 3 Primarchs had he not been mutilated. Quite likely he would have been the right hand of Horus during the Heresy (without being told about the Warp, Angron was always going to rebel), complimenting Perturabo as the Left Hand. He would have been able to rally far, FAR more Astartes to the cause of the Traitors, and likely would have been betrayed by Horus when it became clear that Angron was becoming a threat to him. Which... Angron would not have seen coming, and would keep him from being the "Greatest" Primarch. (and this would happen likely once Angron was forced to accept that Horus was being corrupted by Chaos - and would lead to Angron still becoming the Champion of Khorne, though embodying far more of the "honourable" aspects of Khorne than current Angron embodies. Short way to do it: Angron comes to Lorgar to find a way to "free" Horus from his chains, Lorgar devises a way to get Angron onto a world with significant chaos influence, and essentially tells Angron and his World Eaters that the world must be cleansed in Blood taken from honourable combat - and being an Angron fan, I'd have it be so honourable and so bloody that Khorne himself comes, Angron challenges him for the soul of Horus... and Angron loses, being forced to serve Khorne. I don't see a way that Angron stays loyal to the Emperor (unless he gets the same talk that Corvus got), and if he's Traitor, he's going to become the Champion of Khorne. It's just a matter of "how".)

[@kupper123]

🤣🤣🤣🤣 that's a good one.

[@1337_YbuR]

He is the greatest tragedy amongst the primarch no doubt about that

[@Subject_Keter]

Angron is like that medium child. Literally everyone but Lorgar can hit just as hard and strong. I hate how the Traitors got that marvel issue of "it the bad guy? Do we need to really flesh them out that well?" And if they do it like gets sandblasted later on. Like Morty, could of been interesting he actually held strong and let his second in command be the Avatar so the Plague Marines would have to be more careful... but nah he like lost it even more then Angron.

[@Kallisto.0]

Vulkan is hands-down the greatest primarch. Change my mind.

[@bobbobertbobberton1073]

Nah, people say that because how he viewed mortal humans, but that a terrible weakness for the Primarchs and for a Legion. They are generals of warriors, their sole job was to conquer. So many times have the Salamanders chosen non-strategic plans to protect human populaces.

[@Kallisto.0]

@@bobbobertbobberton1073 This take misses the mark. The primarchs weren't just about conquest - they were meant to build a lasting empire for humanity. Vulkan's approach actually makes strategic sense. Protecting civilians builds loyalty, reduces resistance, and preserves resources. It's not just about being nice; it's smart long-term planning. Plus, it probably helped the Salamanders resist Chaos corruption. Remember, the Emperor wanted to advance humanity, not just conquer it. Vulkan got that. His methods might've led to more stable Imperial worlds in the long run. It's not weakness - it's seeing the bigger picture beyond just winning battles.

[@bobbobertbobberton1073]

@@Kallisto.0 Lol, sure.

[@BrokenShale]

He’s not

[@orcslayerwhatifs4507]

Give the man time to plead his case

[@Marcher1977]

Maybe not the greatest but certainly the most tragic.

[@jacobgallegos8762]

Angron is in my top three favorites but he for damn sure isn’t the best he’s insane

[@Marneus28]

Angron would have been the greatest of all the Primarchs if he hadn't been destroyed mentally and emotionally by the slavers.

[@tysonfranklin9781]

That's a unique take, it makes a lot of sense.