Why Are New Cars So Expensive?

[@Evan_Land]

MotoMan is spot on… very intelligent answer. Life style creep has increased and businesses have adapted to this demand. Ultimately, corporate greed is enabled by consumer greed, which is enabled when people take out unwise debt.

[@brandonrides8953]

People keep buying. Insane people that are ok with a $1000/month car payment are driving (lol) this market.

[@1FiftyOverland]

Fyi, they just talk about uber expensive cars at auctions until 44min

[@Dusdaddy]

Yep. Definitely not our world. Just answered my question on why I don't listen to moto-man or whoever he was. Waaaay out of my league.

[@jcollins1305]

And then they talk about car prices for 2 minutes.

[@1FiftyOverland]

@@jcollins1305 right 🤣

[@cartopia6161]

If I would have known this was a dinner date between you two, I wouldn’t have shown up. 🤪💩

[@jimmyj5099]

I'm glad I read this before watching the video. You just saved about an hour of my life. Thank you 👍

[@NomenClature-o8s]

The dollar lost 17% of its value over the last four years. That has a lot to do with it.

[@kirkwagner461]

The problem with the price of the VW Buzz is NOT that it's competing with a Toyota can. It's that its compete with peoples memories of the old VW camper vans being owned by poor hippies. $60k+ is unthinkable to a lot of those people.

[@davemurphy2356]

Great discussion!! I really enjoy it when Motoman and TFL team up. Roman and Motoman are really great together, if I can't be sitting at the table with them, it's great to listen to the back and forth on TFL Talk. Thanks again guys, another reason why I enjoy TFL so much!!

[@MotoManTV]

Our pleasure!

[@David-nx2vm]

Great episode, interesting discussion. As usual, lots of myopic “OK Boomer” comments from people who can’t see that guys like this came from nothing, worked like hell, and created their own wealth. Contrary to popular belief, it was not easy a generation or two ago. Mortgage interest rates in 1981 were triple what they are now, for example.

[@Redhawk24]

Car manufacturers aren’t offering many cheap (under $30k) cars nowadays.

[@MrGMawson2438]

@Redhawk24 The USA government is to blame for the cars being so expensive I believe

[@Redhawk24]

@@MrGMawson2438 manufactures and their record profits are the problem

[@MrGMawson2438]

@@Redhawk24 It's cos American cars are junk

[@tritchie6272]

@@MrGMawson2438 In part yes.

[@tritchie6272]

@@Redhawk24 Is it though? While it may look like record Profits on paper,but does the money really go as far as it used to go? I'm not saying they are completely guilt free,but I doubt they bear ALL the guilt.

[@hereigoagain5050]

One reason for the high prices is that OEMs are spending $10 billions to introduce EVs, and will have to abandon $10 billions in assets in ICE to meet government mandates. Meanwhile, EV sales are not large, EVs are cannibalizing ICE, and the free cash flow from ICE have to finance the transition. Yes, your ICE costs 20% more to subsidize EVs.

[@lyubomirnoev1164]

Was great discussion

[@gen3kali877]

Interest rates, optional features added to base models, and increased regulation.

[@ldmtag]

27:06 I officially declare Roman got back his title of my favorite TFL host

[@scottross8377]

Thank you TFL for actually letting this hit the air! The 2 conversations completly go hand in hand! Tfl due to this episode I already loved Now I dig yall even more! Keep going!

[@scotturich]

We bought a used Bolt just because they are cheap and good commuter, I have a level 2 at home plus used EV tax credit.

[@Redhawk24]

“Can’t even do a diesel in Montana” what? Half the vehicles around me in Montana are diesel trucks.

[@Dusdaddy]

I'm sure he was talking about diesel sedans which are usually high-end European. That guy only knows a truck as that thing in front of the trailer that hauls the Jaguar to Pebble Beach.

[@jimhanle2971]

Put me to sleep after a couple minutes.

[@drnick40]

It is such a fun watching you guys. Thank you.

[@santiagohills3997]

Ford shifting their EV strategy to the low end is spot on: putting a $7500 tax credit on a $25000 car is a huge deal, vs the same credit on a $100k car.

[@hereigoagain5050]

Love my used 2023 Volvo C40 Recharge twin motors at $28K! Got a home charger. Use our RAV4 Hybrid for road trips. Life is good! I agree with MotoMan. Plug and Go. Fantastic!

[@atmartens]

Dave Ramsey is an old man living 50 years ago. Yes, obviously it would be better to pay cash for a car or a house. However, when you look at what most 20-30 year olds are facing in cost, there's literally no way a person could ever buy a home. Payments aren't evil. Yeah, don't do a 10 year loan. But payments aren't bad in moderation. Totally disagree with that mentality to pay cash for every single thing. Secondly, the reason why prices have gone up is multifold like you guys mentioned. Reason 1 is that many car companies know they can get away with charging more for a cross over or SUV than a sedan, so they do. Even though like a Subaru Legacy and Outback are on the same platform. Why is there less sedans, well we can think the EPA's loop holes in the CAFE standards. Reason 2- COVID-19 messed up the supply. At some point, it will sort it's self out. It is funny to me though that companies like Ford were trying to say that the days of having huge stock were over, and every car would be built to order. Nope - customers don't like that. People like the idea that they're getting a deal, and paying MSRP isn't a deal. But it's gotten hard to make a deal when it's hard to negotiate. 3- Yes, many of the companies have gotten greedy. Some of the prices on trucks specifically is sickening. That's why we'll see used trucks keep their value so much because there will always be a need for a 10-20K pick up truck. But the fact they'll take a 30K base truck, and add 40-50K worth of options and crap is WILD to me.

[@Bonanzaking]

Vehicle prices haven’t really changed. More like most people don’t understand how inflation works, especially it’s compounding effect. I have a 1971 mustang my father bought new for 3,319 USD back in 71. He always stressed to me that back then that was 2 years wages for most people. If I look at a modern one same trim and everything, well what do you know 2 years wages for most people. On the trucks with a full sized quadcab at least they’ve gotten cheaper over the last 80 years. Originally only the government could afford them for the likes of the forestry service. They were about 8 years wages in the depression, now they’re about 2-3 years wages depending on options. Time is money….measure in time.

[@jordanaraujo2579]

True making payments isn't a bad financial decision, while inflation continues to accelerate. I'd rather have a useful vehicle than worthless paper. Over time inflation will eat up all that interest that the lean holder is earning faster then most vehicles will depreciate. It just takes time eventually you actually end up ahead.

[@gregp.7148]

People are being taken to the cleaners! I remember from a handful of years ago when Ford Mustang V8 GT went from $30k to close to $40k in one year and the dealer didn’t want to talk about it. Shameful for Ford (and everyone else) to do this to us.

[@atmartens]

Greed!

[@kyolml]

I do agree with Roman that EV sales will be up in the coming quarters at the expense of overall market and Tesla's decline because all EV makers are throwing cash on the hood and it's cheaper than most of the ICE counter parts, Tesla just can't lower their price enough again and kinda plateau in their price and watching others gaining their market shares

[@WheresHerb]

Unless the vehicle you have right now is on its last leg, if kept for one more year, prices would come down or incentives would increase.

[@Dusdaddy]

Exactly. Too many people feel they "need" a new car or a fancier car. That's the thinking that does us in.

[@WheresHerb]

@Dusdaddy I'm holding off till late 2025. Unless a very exceptional sweet deal comes across. But I don't have to trade or sell my truck right away. I'm really happy with it and actually don't wanna give it up lol.

[@Dusdaddy]

@@WheresHerb Mine is 13 years old with 150K. The rust is bad, but it does what I want, so why buy a another?

[@howdydonny]

Most people aren't watching these videos for an informed purchasing decision imo. They're watching videos on vehicles they can't afford because they are cool and interesting. The people that would typically be buying the work trucks Roman mentioned can't even afford to make it into the new market anymore. Hell, they likely can't afford a used work truck.

[@ldmtag]

29:10 now Roman is officially my all time favorite celebrity. I like one car that does it all too. My current dream car is a Fang Cheng Bao Leopard 5, btw. Look it up, it's cool!

[@lucwilson1]

Should call these episodes with this Moto Man guy... 'The Prince and The Pauper'... lol

[@1FiftyOverland]

Put time back in my day? 😂😂😂😂😂😂 I literally fill up my truck once a month, and it takes 7 minutes if it's completely empty.

[@lonerider5315]

Well charging a car only takes 30 seconds. Plug it in and go to bed😂

[@1FiftyOverland]

@@lonerider5315 nope

[@Dusdaddy]

Once a month? You obviously don't drive much. And I think he was adding all the maintenance time as well.

[@1FiftyOverland]

@Dusdaddy 36gal tank and a 2.7l ecobeast goes a long way. I only drive 10 miles a day to work and back home 4 days one week and 3 days the next. That's only 140 miles a month. Plus other running around miles on my weekends. Unless I drive to Colorado to visit family or go on a camping trip, then of course I'm filling up more.

[@Dusdaddy]

@@1FiftyOverland lol....that's the exception not the rule, or even average. That's like saying all EVs suck because they cannot tow. Well, if you never friggin tow, what does it matter?

[@greyrushgreen]

A pet peeve is someone interrupting someone else in the middle of a sentence or thought. After 30m of that constantly going on ... nope, can't take it anymore. Besides, when do you even talk about why new cars are so expensive?

[@ktmacgoo]

Amen Motoman! “Life Creep”, I like it! Less if definitely more!

[@jnmaher1967]

Oh no, motto man. Here comes the speech about you can’t buy anything unless you pay 100%. No debt, no credit card balances. If you do finance you’re a fool.

[@hereigoagain5050]

I agree! Need to separate needs and wants. No good being a slave to finance companies. Too bad public schools don't teach interest rates & finance.

[@Cloud30000]

Works for me; I can outbid a house from someone who doesn’t want a mortgage, then rent it back to them for 3 times the mortgage while building equity. No debt, but paying for life as a service and never owning anything. Don’t have cash to buy a car straight out? Don’t get a loan, rent it from me!

[@texandy89]

People buy new cars not because they need a new one but because they want a new one. People today lost the wants and needs. What is it, do you really need a new car or do you really want a new car? Do I need a new vehicle as of right now no because my vehicle is still working. When would I get a new vehicle when the engine is broken or something that costs too much to fix so just replacing the vehicle would make sense. Until those things happen to my vehicle right now I don't need one.

[@car-naught-bj5vy]

21:42 If I'm right about their sales trajectory, that "not being allowed to buy another tesla" thing, won't be much of an issue.

[@PrincessTS01]

i saw a cybertruck here in downey, ca yesterday while i was driving to the grocery store

[@teotwawki00]

I am really shocked at the prices of vehicles nowadays. The 2016 Jeep JKU hardtop on 35s in my driveway is lovely, has all the comforts, and the title is in my lockbox. Any mechanic can work on it, and parts are everywhere. I bought a 2025 Hyundai Tuscon with all the tech getting 35 mpg average because of the warranty, and I wanted to try all the driver assist tech. It's actually impressive. The power train remains very basic, and the 8 speed is very smooth. It was a reasonable price considering what you get for the money. My wife loves it but steals my Jeep. Lol. I would like to play in the big leagues, but I got priced out. I will not pay the big bucks for hybrid, battery operated, multiple turbo , overly complex, EPA MANIPULATED vehicles. If we built for dependability and ease of maintenance all these years, can you imagine where we'd be? Ahhhhhhh...

[@bryaninnc5511]

Thanks for the video TFL, but a better title would have been "Cars Few of You Buy and a Very Brief, Undetailed Discussion As to Why the Ones You Want Are So Expensive." Motoman tried to answer the question, but there was too much real-time sensoring with the excuse of not wanting to be political. The question can't be answered without discussing the policies that got us here. Even if you don't agree with all Motoman was trying to say, you have to admit that scratching the surface in a few minutes at the end is not useful.

[@Drg24800]

Why are cars “expensive?” 1. Inflation 2. People’s pocketbooks haven’t been adjusted to keep up with the rising prices. Are they expensive? Yes. But for the money when adjusting prices for inflation, it can be argued that you get more for your money. What hasn’t changed as much as much as everything else is people’s paycheck.

I agree with roman.. bring out an EV with a price that matches there ICE price..

[@jessewintersteen4740]

I think houses are so expensive so a lotta people buy the really nice car, because it's easier and cheaper then buying a really nice house. We are all dreamers and want the best for our self. The 100 grand car is fulfilling the American dream.

[@youtubecarspottersguide1]

dealers have to order the top of the line 'loaded " to many luxury trims..... toyota limited , plantnum ,1794, capstone ,trd pro

[@roguedogx]

14:13 also the trouble with that logic is that the billionaire class has been saying the sky is falling for the past year.... minimum and it hasn't happened yet.

[@roguedogx]

23:57 and Porsche has a LOT of great attorneys.

[@tatonchantry]

Wow that conversation had very little to do with the title of the video.

[@albertatundra]

It doesn't matter the reason. The vast majority of new cars are beyond the affordability range of most people.

[@amazingjason455]

The reason matters and should affect who and what you vote for.

[@hereigoagain5050]

True! It has has always been true. This Boomer bought his first new car at 35 years old.

[@House_of_Schmidt]

Unless there is radical improvements made to battery technology and charging infrastructure, EVs likely won't ever be more popular than ICE in the US. Now if there's some major innovation and they really figure out rechargable solid state batteries, then you don't even need to regulate ICE because people will just buy the EV.

[@santiagohills3997]

20 years ago the culture war was over hybrids, now hybrids are normal and everywhere. 20 years from now people will buy EVs like they’re no big deal. Just takes time for folks to experience their neighbors living with them.

[@HAHA.GoodMeme]

LOL. Toyota can make 90 Hybrids for every 1 EV. EVs are not the future.

[@M-.-Jones]

I wish I could pay cheap American Prices. Come to Canada and pay a $23,000 markup on Us prices on some models + 13% tax.

[@dominiicp]

I don't know the purpose of the conversation but I think it's just two poor millionaires sharing stories

[@chrislangstaff]

Came here to say this. Also at least one of them seems to think people should live more frugally when he lives in a hangar (?!?) and owns a very expensive Porsche. American boomers are the best. EDIT: Still enjoyed the discussion!

[@David-nx2vm]

@@chrislangstaffyou may be missing the point. He wasn’t born owning an airplane and a high-end Porsche. You get there by applied financial literacy from an early age - live on less than you make, work hard, save/invest, don’t make dumb money decisions. Simple, but not easy. Newsflash - it was never easy. Want an example? Mortgage interest rates in 1981 were 16-18%, but people scream about 6 1/2% today. Now, what is easy is to throw your hands up and blame the last generation. Good luck with that.

[@MattyBlack907]

Suggetion: change the title....

[@cartopia6161]

Government keeps mandating, auto reviewers/journalists keep complaining about superficial things, manufacturers make you pay for needless tech that they think we want, and there are people who overpay.

[@jeffhaddox2239]

Too much tech in vehicles driving up the price of vehicles💸

[@ItsAlive111]

45:20 In motoman’s head, two working parents is a flex in life 😢 like his $1600 phone

[@kimswartzell7523]

Statler and Waldorf?

[@johnmorris77]

The truth is vehicles are so expensive because we’re purposely being priced out of owning one. So in the future no one will own, and everyone will rent/lease. And pay money per mile of driving.

[@trailblazeratv6306]

I have a 2006 Tacoma and Costco glasses

[@TacticalLulu]

Wtf, I thought this was a discussion about cars

[@luisbarraza9709]

TFL and Moto man collabs are the best!

[@treads2595]

Roman knows that I love it when he gets together with Moto-Man. Never get tired of these two chatting.

[@godofdun]

43:40 Bit of biased revisionist history here Motoman, John McCain was also talking up EVs as the future in 2008. Although to be fair his angle was about oil dependency and keeping more American dollars here by making the batteries here.

[@ShaunsJeep]

It would be nice if yall had chapters..

[@TacOpsDaddy]

Dealers are greedy. Even after covid

[@Dusdaddy]

The independent dealer business model needs to end. Or at least they need to stop protecting them. That and one of the big makers needs to step forward and create factory stores that sell at reasonable fixed prices.

[@amazingjason455]

They can’t charge more than what people are willing to pay.

[@amazingjason455]

Open a dealership and sell cars for fair prices. Show us how it is done.

[@Dusdaddy]

@@amazingjason455 No one can because the deck is stacked toward the existing dealer. Look at Tesla and how they cannot sell in certain states.

[@Dusdaddy]

@@amazingjason455 When you only have one dealer within an area, you have no choice.

[@alfu8868]

Protectionism (chicken tax, regulations that make it difficult to build outside of the US). Costs of production (more expensive raw materials and labor). But by far the biggest one is greed!!

[@Dusdaddy]

Those regulations are tools to keep the greed in check. You think GM or Ford wouldn't build overseas if they could? They already moved so much to Mexico, because they can get away with it.

[@amazingjason455]

Greed is good. More greed means more competition, more efficiency, and lower prices. The company that provides the best product for the lowest price over the longest period of time makes the most money.

[@Dusdaddy]

@@amazingjason455 And like everything, there's a limit. When their greed gets them in trouble, they should not be bailed out by the government.

[@amazingjason455]

@@DusdaddyYes, let them fail.

[@Dusdaddy]

One factor driving prices so high are the media channels like this one. It drives people to feel they need "new". Everybody has a review channel complaining how this car doesn't have heated seats or some other luxury. Statements like "Come on Hyundai, get with the program, it's 2024!" So, consumers feel that is the minimum criteria for a good car. And god help a maker who doesn't change a model much. "They just threw some lipstick on it!"

[@TFLtalk]

Sounds like your blaming the the messenger

[@Dusdaddy]

@@TFLtalk Oh no, it's still individual buyers making the mistake no doubt about it. But influencers are definitely helping. Hence the name, influencer. If every YT channel conspired and picked the worst car to rate the best, can you honestly say they are not to blame? That is what they are kinda of doing by making luxury items seem more important.

[@martinlopez9507]

New cars are stupid expensive and generally speaking, the depreciation is real after the purchase.

[@jcollins1305]

Every time I hear this guys say “GVagen” or “Ooh Roo Kahn” I think of George Costanzas pretentious girlfriend with “Papier Mache”

[@garysarratt1]

But he’s fluent in German. He lived there.

[@gqami]

I was too cheap to buy a car at $175k. Whaaaaa. 🍼👶🏼Poor guy. 😢😂

[@franzvanjulio5523]

I could see this pairing every day. Thanks, TFL.

[@shiftymcgee9359]

45:00 consumers want low prices under a free market system while defending a companies right to maximize profits. Off shoring manufacturing jobs happened because we asked for it. Want more domestic production? Pay more or cap CEO compensation and deprioritize stock prices. I’m not advocating for anything. Make your own choices, but stop blaming someone else when things go sideways.

[@hhohajz]

People are buying cars that are more than they need and/or can comfortably afford. Most people will do well to just buy a

[@KayeTaylor-t6m]

Deon Curve

[@shootermcgavin4999]

I want a little reliable pickup for 25k.

[@ItsAlive111]

44:53 😂 the highlight of this video. Don’t waste your time

[@doublehh666]

It’s not just cars sitting in inventory, it’s also existing housing. People are sitting it out simply because of law of general equilibrium. Too much buying has to be compensated later with too little buying. The only question is why. Is it because of economic insecurity due to the drop in corporate profitability or is the drop in economic security due to existential issues such as the election and wars ( ie effect on materials and input prices) hanging over everyone creating insecurity? Only those who stay at Holiday Inn Express would know the answer.

[@bjj5746]

If Motoman is going to pronounce G wagon in German. Shouldn’t he say Ge Wagen? Not Gee Wahgen? 😂

[@lonerider5315]

Correct answer 110% corporate greed. Like he said. Our lifes have creeped up. But the consumers at the lower end make sacrifices. The rich never take a pay cut. They just raise prices.

[@Dusdaddy]

But that is the definition of a "free market" society. Let them charge what they want and let the people decide whether or not it's worth it. Unfortunately, we have lots of financially stupid people.

[@jonp4846]

Price gouging.

[@bigb9492]

Moto man has Porsche collection and anti union. Sounds like a pension stealer. That’s why TFL is the best History lesson, first car 1886 first gas station 1913. The jet engine was disliked at first because of how thirsty they are

[@BernardWinifred-e5m]

Allene Crescent

[@PrincessTS01]

i think people are holding the money back till after the election

[@MPE828]

I agree with Roman. Costs will drive EV sales. But that's just common sense. I'm not a tree hugger but I am considering the Cadillac Lyriq because it seems to be good value for a Cadillac.

[@storey13]

Motoman is a scab!

[@waynewallace2061]

When the Fed to facilitate political policy guess what? Prices have increased commensurate with the money supply.

[@waynewallace2061]

Bad grammar, Fed increased money supply by 40%.

[@garysarratt1]

@@waynewallace2061 Maybe bad grammar, but at least he knows inflation is more to blame than greed.

[@NewUser0998]

You can thank Bidenomics for that 😂 Now Kamala wants to act like she had nothing to do with it

[@ribbit1964]

Roman, this was a great episode! Hearing 2 real car guys talk about industry, market, etal - good stuff!

[@trentonjewett322]

Long time viewer and listener of the tfl and this podcast, but I gotta say; this missed that mark and felt pretty out of touch of what I assume the average listener and viewer of tfl is. It felt like two well of rich dudes talking about wealthy cars and complaining about first world problems. I will agree with what others have echoed and say this is the reason why I do not listen to moto-man. I usually enjoy your content but this was hard to listen to and pretty cringy at times. You guys can do better then this.

[@MrGMawson2438]

I'll be true I'm 46 years old

[@1FiftyOverland]

The death of EVs makes me 😁

[@Oldrush]

The EPA is unrealistic and ignorant to the reality of manufacturer’s ability to make affordable emission products for the masses. This increases costs for consumers who have to pay for poor long term reliability and extremely high repair costs and high depreciation rates. Mass transit needs to become more available and appealing and we just need to decrease the volume of cars on the road. To speculate about the industry based on what the exotic markets are bearing is not realistic because the rich didn’t watch their life savings get eaten up by Covid. It was just a wake up call to the masses that they can survive without expensive new cars.

[@MrGMawson2438]

No combustion engine killing this planet Tesla Model 3 LONG RANGE but SINGLE MOTOR range test. 79kwh with RWD efficiency! RSymons RSEV 88.1K

[@scotturich]

Government regulations add more crap we don’t need is adding to the cost of vehicles especially states like California

[@Kahless00]

Would you have unregulated crap piles that fold in half during a 5mph parking lot bump or constantly speed smoke and broke within a year? Regulations exist for a reason.

[@tritchie6272]

@@Kahless00 We had safe cars before all the current nonsense.

[@Dusdaddy]

@@tritchie6272 Da fuq we did. Most of the mandatory shit is inexpensive. They just like to blame it. The cost is in all the luxury crap.

[@scotturich]

@@Kahless00yes but there is regulation on vehicle just to make regulations. Examples would be back up cameras. Something all it’s done that has caused us to be lazy, or blind spot monitoring. We need to make better drivers not more lazy ones.

[@Kahless00]

@@scotturich a backup camera adds twenty bucks to the car and a few ounces of weight. Crash regulations are responsible for most of the weight gain. Nearly every car gained at least a hundred pounds and a few hundred bucks to pass the small offset test. Some gained more.

[@gsitzkowitz]

This was one of the worst videos you’ve done. You never addressed all the reasons why cars are overpriced. And you never commented on the absurd labor agreements that played a part in the bailouts in the early 2000s. Not to the new obscene labor agreement that will drive the reality of another bailout.

[@MrGMawson2438]

XPENG MONA M03 - XPENG Tech, Supercar Aero, BYD Price Inside China Auto 28.2K

[@chris01922]

Enough with the old man/age "jokes"...

[@tritchie6272]

Before I even listen to the video I'm gonna say inflation is a big part of it,and also automobiles keep getting more gadgets and more computerized.

[@praneethjayasimha5943]

its not inflation, people are not buying small cars and they are gone.

[@garysarratt1]

@@praneethjayasimha5943 Do you even know what inflation is?

[@praneethjayasimha5943]

@@garysarratt1 i am a chartered accountant. If americans are willing to spend $50000, why will they sell at $25000? if you want cheap cars, people need to stop buying overpriced cars.

[@garysarratt1]

@@praneethjayasimha5943 How can you say it’s not inflation? Or at least that it is a huge factor? That’s like saying microbes don’t cause disease.

[@praneethjayasimha5943]

@@garysarratt1 buying a brand new car is a luxury. When you are buying luxury, inflation is not a factor. If you think its a necessity used car market has plenty of options.

[@bwer2]

Democrats

[@garysarratt1]

“Greed” is an opinion of mind readers, but it exists here and there. “Inflation” is a real thing, created by the federal government, that affects everybody.

[@petermello55]

This guy thinks he’s way smarter than he really is, you know about cars good for you.

[@ldmtag]

Guys, please, next time you wanna discuss car prices, please invite some market expert, like a guy who knows EXACTLY the interaction between new car market and used car market, how people use their cars, what options they want BASES ON RESEARCH, not just "vIbEs". I can't stand this Porsche loving BSer!

[@ldmtag]

lOoK aT mE, mE aM sO SmArT, i CaN qUoTe fAmOuS dUdEs🤡

[@shootermcgavin4999]

Not a huge fan of this moto guy. He just talks about fancypants cars that nobody can afford. Waste of my time.

[@mattdagger1480]

California 🤢🤮