Why Are Pugs So Toxic? || Zero to KSM Challenge #3

[@Dillisan]

Please do NOT message players in these videos or send any hate their way, this is just an example of some bad runs I had during this reset and I'm not trying to make examples out of players. We all have good days and bad days. We're all human, let's not forget this. ❤️

[@RalphSchurade]

Hunter with lowest dps and zero interupts deserves a bit of ridiculing though.

[@firdatgame]

Dunno man, that blood dk that keeps popping up in your videos plays like a well oiled machine.

[@eureign]

I know it might be a lengthy process but i'd advise to just blur the names or something for the Videos ;/ always going to have people who throw hate or shade at people unfortunately mate

[@alex-ov9ki]

@@RalphSchurade zero ?

[@Dillisan]

@@RalphSchurade Nah Hunter was great with interrupts, can't fault them with that.

[@tessi4868]

What i learned while pugging as a Tank, stick to your Route no matter where they run, but if you see them run in the wrong direction simple type "Back" or something in the chat.

[@Dillisan]

Yup, the approach I will take from now on! :D

[@Wand422]

I'm an asshole, I'll just kill the bears solo while they ask where I am and brick the key just to teach them a lesson

[@kbsskb788]

@@Dillisan I also notied at the death 8 min in that you used your Runic Power on a Death Coil instead of the Death Strike. It may not a great position for the Coil, you shouldn't use it often.

[@lukefraney3026]

@@DillisanI’ve started playing healer this expac Gotta be honest I never blame the tank or healer again they are much harder than dps so if something went wrong it’s whatever

[@glennk44]

@@kbsskb788 ive not even got death coil on an action bar haha

[@Gorre022]

The fact that the majority of pugs are so toxic just makes that one-in-a-million positive-vibes group so much better! It’s like the most fun you can have lol, and honestly I feel I tank my best because I’m not stressing over dumb comments. Everyone can be so supportive and that’s perfect for becoming a better player. Your pugs are very lucky to get you 💙🤓

[@Dillisan]

I have my bad days like everyone else but there's no reason to be a boob! I'm trying to be a positive member of the community and there are some good apples out there, just have to find them :)

[@WritesFantasy]

Honestly I haven't run into many toxic groups at all. Sometimes one player. But generally someone else checks them. Sometimes that someone is me. Sometimes my efforts are ignored. But generally we just forge ahead.

[@UltimateGamerCC]

one-in-a-million is dead accurate.

[@JanssenReyes]

This series is the most interesting thing I''ve seen in years for a m+ content creator... you're doing amazing and the videos never feel boring to watch. Keep it up man!

[@Dillisan]

Love this, thank you so much for the kind words, it really means the world! Glad you're enjoying the series

[@morganbuhborgan730]

So last night I was helping my friend level up their DH and we pugged a healer from Sister of Elune. We RP'd a Halls and it was the chilliest, most enjoyable experience I ever had in a mythic dungeon.

[@Dillisan]

That's great to hear! There are some really nice players out there, not all bad :)

[@larssonarobin]

Misstakes is the best way of learning. You will stop giving a crap about nosey dps after a while too, you are the tank, they are foces to follow your will or GTFO. The more runs you do, you will get more comfortable, trust me :)

[@Dillisan]

Only time will tell! Appreciate your confidence :D

[@Centripital1]

Love the series. I also pugged my way to 2400 as a Blood DK. When in doubt on thundering, AMS will prevent you from getting stunned when it goes off! And Icebound fortitude breaks you out of the stun / reduces the damage coming in from the stun. Don't forget to use your 2 "get out of jail free" cards!

[@Dillisan]

I didn't know AMS/Fort was a thing tbh, thought it was purely unavoidable! I wonder what other classes can negate this...to google!

[@Centripital1]

@@Dillisan As you go through your series, if you see certain spells with effects getting sent out soon, you can AMS before the cast - and if AMS is on, you are no longer rendered a valid target for the spells. Lightning boss in Nokhud Offensive - when he casts the spell to put a big blue ring on everyone that then explodes for damage.. If you AMS BEFORE he places the blue rings out, you are rendered "not a valid target" and are immune from the spell targeting you! Looking forward to seeing how you utilize this knowledge in the many other dungeons :)

[@gasfgb]

@@Dillisan Paladin can Freedom the stun off of someone else and Divine Shield them self out of it

[@jnm92]

Super chill content! You have a very relaxing vibe. Keep it up

[@Dillisan]

Thank you, glad you enjoyed

[@champboehm7863]

Yes mega chill

[@itsmemcv]

I only pug keys, i'm a loner, with HoV, i pull everything you would in a 'standard' run but when you get to Fenyar room, i pull 2 of the bulls on the way to her. This will give you 84% when you run up the bridge, and then spot on 100% after the 4 'mini bosses'. I find this the best route for pugs because they are forced kill the mobs and can't afk run away after the boss is dead. Hope this helps someone

[@Dillisan]

Spoiler alerts: I start taking bulls in later episodes and go over my reasons why :P. If you're on EU and wanna join for some keystones I run a Saturday Social stream over on Twitch, feel free to drop by :)

[@thememer9005]

Fun fact about Halls of Valor, during the last boss in Legion if you died, you got teleported to one of those balconies higher up, and you didn't have to run back, you never technically died, not sure why that's not implemented this time around.

[@Dillisan]

I only did this a couple of times in Legion and I did not know this! That would be awesome here :D

[@lilgreentealeaf]

I remember there being a lot of ress points in dungeons & now they seem nonexistent. :')

[@SKCandygirl]

this is ... raid...

[@eclap78]

You know what? I loved this video. The daily struggles. Keep it up my man, you have a knack for it!

[@Dillisan]

Thanks my dude, very much appreciate the love and I'm glad you enjoyed

[@Kul_Tiras_Tides]

This video and series have been amazing. I do a TON of M+ and I love seeing your thoughts and progress and growth as it goes on. Definitely gained a subscriber out of me :)

[@Dillisan]

Thanks Drew, glad you're enjoying it and I really appreciate the love

[@anderaranguren4690]

have to say , i see many ksm series. your my fav so far :D

[@Dillisan]

I appreciate you Ander, I'm glad you enjoy the series

[@timmyseaton9190]

Bro I love your content so much man. It’s so fresh and high quality, WoW needed it so bad. Thanks man

[@Dillisan]

Glad you're enjoying it

[@FactionIdiot]

The biggest thing I would say for running out during Odin is everyone runs the direction of the add spawn since it needs to be kicked and killed

[@Dillisan]

Yeah you're probably right. In the heat of the battle you don't think about these things. Well, I don't anyway :P

[@FactionIdiot]

@Dillisan I feel you there. I only know because someone pointed it out to me haha. So i try and pass the tip along

[@galeaggtv]

Great stuff as always

[@Dillisan]

I thought they were a nice guy tbh >.>

[@nightflaver5608]

Great video :) Just some simple tips for playing blood: try to start your first pull with DRW (dancing rune weapon) - you will not only get 5 stacks of boneshield, but also massive amounts of evade - most melee attacks won't hit you in that time. Next thing - especially in higher keys u want to have a lot of runic power for that big juicy healing - in the video it seemed that u pressed death strike too often with low runic power and no heal needed and in the next few seconds u needed big healing but you was left with too little runic power. Try to stall on some, u also can overcap runic power and just heart strike when u don't need the healing. Otherwise as you already said, u sit on defensives very long, as blood we have a lot of them, just use them on big packs, we have so many, u can use them nearly every pack. But otherwise stay strong, u got this! Blood is one of the tanks that makes the most fun in my opinion :)

[@Dillisan]

Glad you enjoyed the video and thanks for the tips. I have since learned more about openers and rotation, though my brain really struggles at times so this won't be the last time you see me derp! Nevertheless, I very much appreciated the tips and they're always welcome. Thanks for the lovely comment

[@ksmit127775]

Great videos! Love the commentary. Fun tip for HoV if you didn't know already is after you kill the 2 big guys before the big golden ramp you can grab a beer mug and throw it at one of the mini bosses in the final room to make them fight each other for a little bit for some free damage. It also lets you pull the 1st 2 at the same time for a little bit of saved time.

[@Dillisan]

Thanks Kyle! Yeah the beer thing I have tried but messed up a couple of times, maybe my timing was off I guess? I rushed to the rest of the group in this run purely because they ran off and I didn't wanna waste time running to grab a beer, then potentially failing that anyway. I deffo need some practice in HoV.

[@AaronBurgan]

My favorite series on youtube atm!

[@Dillisan]

You have made my day

[@AaronBurgan]

@@Dillisan I actually ended up getting KSM just today and am so excited to see the progress due to me also only plugging.

[@WritesFantasy]

HoV is my absolute favorite Mythic plus of all time. Back in Legion it was the dungeon I was quarenteed to be accepted for as tank. I didn't know about add ons or anything to help plan routes. So I made the route as I went. Even learning the extra I needed for teeming affix(which added extra mobs to the dungeon, but lowered the amount they counted for) Also. If you need percent. Just grab those drunken mobs by the door on the left there. They will follow you up the bridge. And fight them with those minibusses.

[@Dillisan]

Sadly I took a break during Legion and came back for the last raid tier. I only did this dungeon a couple of times so it was pretty much new to me going into this season. Deffo not my favourite :P

[@Askfornate]

Onward to 5K subs! Great work Dillisan!

[@Dillisan]

Thank you for the continued support Nathan!

[@joshh3501]

i have been waiting for your 3rd video! awesome! I struggle so hard tanking Nokhud lol

[@Dillisan]

I actually really like NO, but I derp from time to time and it shows :P

[@joshh3501]

@@Dillisan I have broken my curse of FAILING on Nokhud and tanked my 12 feelsgoodman. hope your grind is going well looking forward to the next video

[@TheZuron]

at the start pf the video the cache you get from the 5 timewalks holds a normal raid item that can go up to 398. when you get the quest to complete 4 mythic dungeons you get a cache that holds a heroic raid item that can go up to 411.

[@Dillisan]

Good to know, thanks!

[@superdarroch]

Well heroic box can actually give you 418 broodmother ring. 👍

[@rafaelmc90]

I am a new player, started on Dec and have grinded my ass up to 2280 rating, I did get some help., but not too much tbh, mostly it has been upgrading keys every week like 3 levels per week till i got to 16. My damage isnt the best, still working on my rotation (devoker), and i just got a guy at the start of the week asking how much i paid for my KSM, or are guild mates just carrying me. I laughed it off, but kinda sucked that all the grind ive done of around 70 completed runs, people act that way, even when the dude wasnt even that impressive on dps either. Anyways, love your content, keep it up man! Stories are pretty entertaining!

[@Dillisan]

We all start somewhere, you're doing amazing considering when you started. Don't let these guys get to you Raf, you're awesome! Congrats on KSM

[@Yanni1105]

Fantastic content. Keep up the good work. Looking forward to the next episode!

[@Dillisan]

Thank you so much, appreciate the support!

[@heavy_elite]

Halls of Valor: Go left, kill the Mobs there on the Table, Kill all mobs on Hyrja, go to fenrir, kill all Mobs on tables (right) - Walk right - Kill Dragon, 2 Yaks, all the wolfs in Fenrirs area (Use Deff-CDS, even after the nerves this things hit like freaking trucks // Stun whatever) - Kill Fenrir - Go Odyn. Kill all Mobs also in the Middle of the hall - BAMM - % done!

[@Dillisan]

I'll bear that in mind, thanks!

[@heavy_elite]

@@Dillisan Keep in mind, 84% is needed. The final 4 mobs give together 16%. Don't waste time, if its not needed :> But also be carefull for extrapulls (3 yaks, eventual reindeers etc.)

[@vict9126]

Biggest challenge in pugs of any game, the mental battle. Just be good to yourself man, don't let him spewing garbage sound like truth.

[@Dillisan]

Yes, 100% agree! Mentality is everything :D

[@oshkoshbegone]

Death and decay cast on self is amazing. Usually dks don't pre cast it on pack while running. So it saves you valuable time by just key binding and not having to mouse over it.

[@Dillisan]

Yeah I thought about this actually but sometimes I want to place it in a specific spot so I was unsure. I'll look into it, maybe put normal D&D on a separate bind

[@oshkoshbegone]

@@Dillisan I thought the same also, but now ive realized the only good spot to put dnd is on yourself. The time you spend looking for a spot to place dnd can actually get you killed, same with AMZ. good luck

[@Pitti3434]

Just one Thing to Mention about the %. If you first finish the bosses, and you do a group afterwards, u only have to kill the mobs until your % are Full. So in your case u had only to deal with one of the groups mob instea of the whole pack, what saves some time. Keep it up :)

[@Dillisan]

Yeah very true, all mobs stop attacking afterwards. Fair point

[@sustainna]

Loving these. I've always been shy with pugging M+'s because I have awful experience with them, but ive been inspired to dip my toes into it again.

[@Dillisan]

Love this! Thank you so much for the support and I'm glad it has inspired you. Be patient, take deep breaths and you should be fine (maybe)! P.S: Follow the tank >.>

[@nicksmith520]

in halls on your way to hyrjah pull both sides of the hall way, then left hand side while heading towards fenrir portal. then one yak with the 4 pack before fenrir. and 3 dog packs and that will get you to 84.07% halls is my groups first time key when hitting a key wall because our route is just so stream lined. granted we don't look up guides so there is probably a more optimal route.

[@Dillisan]

I modified my route since, got it nailed down now (I hope!) 🙂

[@wiseflower1842]

Your videos have given me a bit of courage to pug mythic +. I want to at least get 2k points for mount but boy it is...challenging. You are brave to tank it and I applaud you. It is interesting because where I sit, I always view the tank as a programmed robot lol I tend to forget they are a person just like me that faces different challenges. This gave me some perspective, I am guilty of getting tunneled vision LOL. Anyways looking forward to future content. Keep em coming

[@Dillisan]

Sadly that's something a lot of players forget, we're all human and often make mistakes. I'm glad it has given you some courage, that makes me incredibly proud and happy! I hope you achieve KSM and get your mount!

[@SureConeHD]

been loving the episodes so far keep up the great work dude

[@Dillisan]

Glad you enjoyed

[@StenBuilt]

Great Video! You probably get asked this a lot but what Nameplate Addon and profile are you using? I'm assuming Plater? Which profile is that? Thanks again!

[@Dillisan]

Yes, plater! I should be posting all my addons etc on my Discord tonight (if I remember), all lists and profiles available! Just know that I cannot help with personal questions/help regarding most of it :P

[@StenBuilt]

@@Dillisan haha all good... appreciate it, thanks!

[@likilikiki]

That cache from TW weekly can drop anything that is on the loottable for normal Vault of the Incarnates and if I'm not mistaken 405 is the actual highest and those are the extra rare items that drop from the last two bosses.

[@Dillisan]

That might just be the case, thanks for letting me know!

[@likilikiki]

@@Dillisan Same deal with the cache for the 4 mythics weekly only the reward will be from hc raid version.

[@ivo_picha]

Hey man, great video! May I ask what addon you are using to display extra information on the m+ listings at 8:55 ? Sorry if you have already answered this in another video.

[@TheGigaMan]

I was also wondering that too, which is why I'm here in the comments 😂

[@ivo_picha]

@@TheGigaMan I found it! It's a WeakAura called "Dungeon RIO and Class and Raid progress"

[@Dillisan]

You beat me to it, thanks Ivo!

[@saturejsavory]

as a healer just know that room wit hthe long tables where you died is the absolute hardest place to heal imo, its insane, just really keep them in range and go sloooow is my advice in there

[@Dillisan]

The last pack before heading to Fenryr I have noticed to one shot me from time to time, pretty nasty D:

[@chikayoru]

Anytime a thundering goes off, you can use Ice Bound Fortitude and clear the stun off of yourself.

[@klobuerste6936]

Or u use AMS before the stun hits u so u wont even get stunned

[@Dillisan]

Really? I did not know, thank you for pointing this out!

[@Dillisan]

Learning lots of new tips today, thanks guys!

[@xuspiragaming6235]

Deaths advance also keeps you from being knocked back like the storm mini boss in AA can ams and then and not have to move

[@UltimateGamerCC]

except he had already popped it.

[@eureign]

everyone feels so touchy recently in m+

[@nkxseal8398]

I mean, it's a long waste of time for some people who only have enough time to do maybe 2 or 3 a day. Wish it just wasnt so punishing for atleast lower keys

[@wowcnmovie]

First leaver need to be deducted 200 points

[@billymays9296]

@@wowcnmovie doesn't work. You can just afk a key that is depleted then until the timer is over/log out and wait for someone else to leave.

[@kahlan1amnell]

@@nkxseal8398 This is exactly the issue, the perception of people is that others making mistakes wastes their time. Instead of accepting that everyone makes mistakes and you'll get another shot next key. You don't have to time 20s to enjoy M+ you know. Also, you don't have to time every key. People need to stop comparing themselves to full-time streamers that play the game 24/7 and that are infinitely better than them.

[@nkxseal8398]

@kahlan1amnell All of that is well and good but the problem is people who aren't good because they were carried running keys they can't do. Do you think spending hours inside of a dungeon is fair because others artificially got their score boosted by better players? The amount of people in 15-20 keys(which are crucial for gear upgrades) they don't even silence/stun mobs is ridiculous and this leads to these dead runs.

[@ZuhexEntertainment]

Am loving watching this, would recommend you getting a Weak aura or addon that tracks peoples interrupts, In higher keys, this will defiently help you out as a tank as your main job will be group coordination! You can be in discord with your group and call out kicks while tanking, as its the least demanding, in terms of in game activity. Great luck with your future ventrues and excited to see it next!

[@Dillisan]

Thanks for the love and support, really appreciate it and I'm glad you're enjoying! I do actually have a WA tracking them but in Nokhud some of my WA' chose not to work for some reason. If you skip ahead to AA you can see the WA above my character panel :)

[@ZuhexEntertainment]

@@Dillisan Oh! My apologies! Then ur set!! All the best my guy!

[@brettbalmforth8629]

What do you use for VODS? In order to go back and look at your own runs? Any recommendations?

[@Dillisan]

OBS Studio for recording gameplay, same software I use to stream

[@fischer8447]

Pog🎉 My Weekly dose of toxicity in M+

[@Dillisan]

Oh you'll enjoy the next one then :P

[@fischer8447]

@@Dillisan Ohh, Imma be patiently waiting then😅

[@Jessetenfour]

Really been enjoying watching these and learning from them!

[@Dillisan]

I'm glad to hear, thank you for the support

[@MatheusSouza-hy1fm]

Great video!! Love looking at players perspective and methodology on how they enjoy the game

[@Dillisan]

Thank you Matheus, I'm glad you enjoyed friend

[@kitkat6751]

As someone who pugged my way to ksm this season, you will see these kinds of runs 100s of times more xD, and no the hunter was wrong to criticize you, it was timed!

[@Dillisan]

I'm always open to constructive criticism, if I do something wrong and I'm unaware, being told is super helpful. There's just better ways of going about it...

[@UltimateGamerCC]

yup, timed and his DPS was garbage.

[@ladycattington942]

Oof I'm a bit behind with my m+ (only just getting going) but watching these videos makes me excited to get cracking. Did some on my rdruid at the start of the season but then took a couple weeks off and now playing my priest main again. Good luck with the rest of your runs! Might see you in party finder

[@Dillisan]

Oh nice, we need more healers in the community :D. Hope our paths cross and GL with your M+ :)

[@ladycattington942]

@@Dillisan Thanks! I just did my first 0 and it sucked haha onewards and upwards

[@Dillisan]

@@ladycattington942 It can only get better, right?! :P

[@seriousface116]

7:53 think the biggest takeaway from this is never turn your back on the majority of adds, I meen chances are you were going down anyway but you had a bigger chance of not going down if you didn't turn your back on so many of them by running through them.

[@Dillisan]

Yeah I got flustered, they were knocked and I derped. I learn and move on to the next one!

[@billymays9296]

Another thing you missed about your death in Nokhud is that you got mortal striked and turned your back to 3 mobs while trying to hit one to your right. Even without mortal strike that's going to kill you pretty much instantly.

[@Dillisan]

Yup, probably due to being flustered. It happens >.>

[@billymays9296]

@@Dillisan Yeah of course, we all had to start somewhere when learning, and that's not generally something new tanks ever consider, but eventually it becomes a natural thing even when flustered to make sure you don't have mobs behind you, since it just makes everything worse ^^ Also a quick little tip for Odyn in Halls of Valor - the rest of the group ran the other way because it's in the direction of the add that spawns and needs to be killed/kicked, if everyone had ran the same direction as you it would just free cast until it's a wipe. The best way to deal with it is to move Odyn away from it as soon as you see it spawn, because he will pull the group in right after, that way you can ensure that everyone runs in the direction of the add to get out of the AoE, and even get it right on the edge of the AoE in case you have no grips etc in the group (or no ranged kicks even)

[@ayama7108]

@@billymays9296 you also can just kick the add when walking past it out of the aoe, most of the people i played with either range, melee dps or me as the tank did it. Running into the direction of the add, kick it and just pull it with oyu out of the aoe. that developed for me to be the most reliant variation.

[@billymays9296]

@@ayama7108 well yeah, but if Odyn is right on top of it, it will start casting again and you won't be in range. It's always safest to bring him away from the add to ensure 1 kick gets it to a place where it can be killed/kicked again

[@billymays9296]

The only way it would go up to 405 is if you get either of the rings, as they are higher iLvl than the rest of the items in the raid. Other than that, you can get an item from one of the 3 tiers of iLvl, since the gear scales. TL:DR; you won't get 405/408 unless it's rings, you only get normal items from the timewalking event.

[@Dillisan]

Good to know, thank you! :)

[@trojee9602]

Loved the vid! Great content as usual

[@Dillisan]

I appreciate you!

[@michellenjamesblake1619]

Hey mate. What is the WA you are using for tracking interrupt CDs? I used to have this back in BFA but have not been able to find one that works for a long time.

[@Dillisan]

All UI related stuff can be found on my Discord: discord.com/invite/ZRZmZ9A

[@dannyfarrell8379]

Finally another upload! I need more of this series man!

[@Dillisan]

All in good time :P. I'm glad you enjoyed, thanks for watching

[@markford7532]

Enjoying this series,keep them coming!!

[@Dillisan]

Thanks Mark, more on the way real soon!

[@henrisverden]

learning a lot from these videos, thanks for showing your mistakes as well!

[@Dillisan]

For me it's all about showing my mistakes otherwise I won't learn from them. I purposely leave bad play in the videos that I don't talk about in the hopes someone picks up on them and for the most part someone does :D. Glad you're enjoying and able to gain something from them

[@Rainbowxjapan]

As a healer only player, pugs have always been toxic. Im now one of those players who checks gear and acheivements because im really not out here to waste my free time babysitting people. I have a favoritism towards tanks and healers because not everyone can be them, but anyone with hands can be a dps.

[@Dillisan]

Healers share similarities to the Tank role because you are responsible for keeping everyone alive. A wipe is generally blamed on either the Tank or the Healer. DPS standing in stuff and died, healers fault for now healing them through it. I know the feels...I'm praying for a DPS for season 2 lol

[@Gobig4l1f3]

This led me to quiting so quickly. I had bad luck 3 weekends in a row with a mixture of ppl not knowing how to run the dungeon, players leaving, or being stuck for 45m-1hr in 1 dungeon. This literally was all day for 3 weekends. I'm a healer and patient with others, but it's been so tense in DF that after getting KSM, I quit.

[@Dillisan]

It can be rough for sure, sorry to hear about your difficulties. Hopefully you return for Season 2 :

[@ServeMySoul777]

I got my score up to 1850 pugging and hit a wall. I’m just tired of having toxic/inexperienced people in my groups. I tank as well which comes the easiest to me. I was tanking 23’s in legion but I had a group I ran with. I would this xpac but I’m inconsistent with being online because of irl obligations. Mainly raising my 7 yo son which outweighs WoW by miles. This is precisely why I no longer raid as well. I just cannot be bothered to spend hours progressing. I’ll end my little rant here. Love the content! And to anyone reading this have a great day! Edit: You got a sub from me friend!

[@Dillisan]

Oh I understand the time constraints, father of 3 here! Perhaps Appreciate the support and thanks for the sub!

[@Blablame17]

Hello, what addon are you using for the utility wheel in the middle of the screen ? thx !

[@Dillisan]

That would be "Opie". It's great for decluttering your action bars and you can choose to have everything on one wheel or create multiple for specific things. Highly recommend :)

[@KnottyDevilCreations]

Just to let you know.... this is the life of a tank lol. The best way to do things is look up PUG runs for count. BTW you can tag mobs at a table and run up to the kings, AOE trash and first king down. Do not ask why I know!!!! LOVE THE VIDEOS!!! Hope that you remember the life of a tank after all the fun you have in pugs lol.

[@Dillisan]

Haha, full of sympathy now lol. I have since adjusted all my runs in MDT and tailored them to ME and how I want to do them. My way or the highway! :P Appreciate the love on the videos, only just getting started

[@Z_inky]

My biggest struggle instance is for sure nokhud, I don't consider myself an elitist player, but I'm not casual either. So running Nokhud at +3 through +10 is always painful, as they're usually full of very casual players, I try to not get frustrated due to some things, but I am for sure of the mindset: if you do not intend to learn your class, don't join M+ just to be carried. Pugging is a pain for me as I always struggle to just bite my tongue, and when people just don't interrupt, or stand in puddles, I don't need genetics to make me go bald, hand fulls of hair do it for me 😂

[@Dillisan]

I feel your pain but just remember we're all human and we all make mistakes. I try my very best to encourage players but I'm not perfect, I have my moments of weakness also! Hopefully you get some better groups and sorry in advanced if you get me as a Tank :P

[@Z_inky]

@@Dillisan oh for sure, I tend to hold a level of reason, once I realize it's a group who simply refuses to take advice, I'll go silent for the sake of convenience =D

[@west8ce]

I would inform group before the wolf boss that we going right for bears after fight. Communication is the key. ;)

[@Dillisan]

You are correct and I mention doing this in future keys, in the video :P

[@west8ce]

@@Dillisan Dillsan what's the name of the addon you use to see clearly details of players and Rio when you looking for group ? Is it some settings in Rio? In video 8:51 moment

[@Dillisan]

@@west8ce Ah I got you! This is a WeakAura: wago.io/JhmeKOgMw/19

[@west8ce]

@@Dillisan Amazing thank you

[@mdviper6345]

hello mate... as a new main tank as well i can tell u that in pugs for the most of the time ppl are just go go go all the time.. something i like to do in halls is make sure i have lead and just put marks when i want ppl to move to or stack and stuff.. and dont do the route when ppl have to use there brain in order to do.. most pugs (in lower keys for the most part) ppl dont know about the higher key tactics .. so better to do just the normal way and not try to do to hard stuff.. anyway.. just found your ch today.. i like the way to do the vids.. cant wait for more

[@Dillisan]

Glad you're enjoying, you probably share the same pain I've been through on my journey so far :P. Halls is the one place I dislike the most, even after the nerfs it seems to be the pug killer.

[@mdviper6345]

@@Dillisan kind of true tbh.. even i dont know why i kind of like it..i hate a.z or n.o alot more cuase most of the time deaths there are out of your control

[@iddqd7162]

rlly mind boggling. green eq tank = welcome, 395+ dd = lolkek gitgud. p.s. love the series ! hope for an healer run too :D

[@Dillisan]

Yeah, tanks and healers get into much higher keys cause of the role they play. My Havoc Demon Hunter which is 407 gets declined for 16's and I have 2200 rating, explain this lol

[@iddqd7162]

​@@Dillisan lol same, barely get into 18´s as an evoker (dd, 2380. rio). + always the cool kid comments like: "you know the dung right?" "Big pull all okay, just nuke them -Wipe, what was that?" "Oh, evoker do damage?" But the top tier goes to the suspiciously high rated (3300+) "elite dude" who aim for the perfect run and leaves after one wipe shouting "Hobos"

[@Microgunner23]

Nothing better than going to bed and seeing a new Dillisan KSM video, love the series bro

[@Dillisan]

Thank you Sophos, glad you're enjoying the series!

[@cybersylo5786]

I love your content, could you please add the item level you were at when you did the M+. It helps people have some idea of what they should be able to accomplish at that level of gear. Obviously, skill is a major part, but please give a general guide for what gearing levels are appropriate for different M+. Thank you.

[@Dillisan]

Thanks Cyber! Pretty sure I update ilvl on the go, I think I started the day at 379 after opening the vault? Then I start M+ with the ilvl open: 4:00 Be sure to yell at me if I ever miss this though :D

[@cybersylo5786]

@@Dillisan I completely missed that, let's just pretend that I didn't say anything 😅 I just started tanking on my prot warrior, and it has been a great experience. Unfortunately, some of the hate sent toward new tanks can be downright toxic. If i don't have the boss or mob positioning down perfectly, or if a kick doesn't go off people are ruthless.

[@mayraalveszanin259]

Hey! Do you an addon for select your mount? If so, which one?

[@Dillisan]

Hey Mayra! I use something called Opie. If you are curious about the rest of my addons/WeakAuras, you can find everything on the Discord :)

[@thegame4027]

At 6:15 you were activly directing the frontals into your party, that's a big no. If possible, they should go somewhere to the side where no one is standing, and no one should use stuns. They cast the frontal for multiple seconds and deal no damage while channeling it, thats where everyone can chill a bit. If you stun them they attack again.

[@Dillisan]

Yup you are completely correct and I played very poorly.

[@devonmarcus1717]

So a good thing to help you with the items in COS is get the WA called Court of Stars Helper. What it does is when you hover over an item in the dungeon it will say in party chat who and what classes can interact with them

[@Dillisan]

Someone mentioned this before and I totally forgot. Thanks for reminding me!

[@janeinarandersen4933]

Wait is the catalyst shared? I have used 2 charges on my druid already, and still have 1 on my warrior I can use?! I dont understand how it works tbh x)

[@Dillisan]

No, I got it wrong and put text on screen when talking about it. All characters get 1 per week assuming you have done the weekly quest :)

[@janeinarandersen4933]

@@Dillisan I see, well since my druid got 2, and my warrior only 1. I think it starts to accumulate charges once your alts are 70. As I lvld my warrirr after the first charge on my druid. correct me if I'm wrong

[@Dillisan]

@@janeinarandersen4933 Not sure on non 70 characters tbh, not the best person to ask on that one :P

[@colbysorenson9135]

Blood dk tip. If a pug stuns you with not clearing mark frost bound fortitude will break you out of the stun/prevent it for you

[@Dillisan]

I didn't know this before, great tip thank you

[@Basch47]

You probably figured it out by now, but you get a charge for the catalyst on every toon, that one charge can be used by all toons at the same time.

[@Dillisan]

Erm, I placed text on the screen admitting my mistake :P. I didn't know at the time and was super confused as I am with most things lol. The community made sure I knew I was wrong and laughed at me haha. Thanks for letting me know though :)

[@Basch47]

@@Dillisan oh man didn't even see it! Glad you got it though, didn't want you suffering without tier for that long LOL.

[@kranas142]

Cool Video nice analysis. I'm also very Tempted to blame a close key timer on myself :D Just Tank things I guess... I would maybe recomend to switch off of "Blood Tap" did not see you use it in this video. Maybe I'm just blind.. If you get 2Set Bonus you wont need it anyways because you get free runes from it. For Fortified weeks I like to take "Rune Tap" for that extra 4 sec Devensive when running in to a group.

[@Dillisan]

I use it quite often but there are also a ton of times I forget to use it. I'm bad okay :P

[@erichotts4685]

My New favorite series!

[@Dillisan]

Glad you're enjoying!

[@Skource1]

I really like these videos it’s pretty cool I just picked up tanning and almost 70 with my tank and been wanting to go for mythic but been nervous on trying it really like this series

[@Dillisan]

Glad you're enjoying the series, I wish you all the best with your M+

[@ripped6938]

You "normally" run in the direction the add spawned on hov last boss - So you can grip/stun/range kick it

[@Dillisan]

Perhaps but brain.exe stopped working at that point >.>

[@drpuspe]

Did +23 pug sbg today and we had dps that was moaning about orbs that it lowers his dps because he have to cotribute to help destroying them as boomkin. He got inhaled by 3rd boss, didn't stand at melee so the pool went to middle of platform so we had to run there at inhale. And bonus in the cake he died at last boss to aoe attack and cried it was garbage run. I mean we talking guy with 3k rio and the attitude is so toxic. Running also pugs only.. Everyone fails and that's fine but what is not fine is the toxic mentality of some people.

[@Dillisan]

Yeah it happens, we all have bad days. Met some really toxic players but I have always met some really nice players also. Groups are hit and miss!

[@2sickvick]

What add on gives the large gear displays on your character screen?

[@Dillisan]

Addon is called: Narcissus.

[@2sickvick]

@@Dillisan Thank you!

[@delithraclya7661]

nice video,the halls run u can pull big on start but dont on low keys... iam confused about the WA "you are this mark" little bit useless on tank also distract, how did u enjoy tanking?

[@Dillisan]

If I am confident with the group I will pull them together, this time I was not! Oh, that WA is only meant for raid mechanics but it started appearing in Dungeons. I usually tunnel and totally ignore it. It's turned off for future content haha. Tanking is fun but sometimes stressful. I feel I need to know more about the encounters and lead the group. If a member doesn't know something about the dungeon they usually look to the tank. But yeah, I am enjoying it so and very much like the DK (not that I'm good at it!).

[@Oreo_twins]

Its a piece of normal loot gear, so if you have a look at the ilvl that drops from normal raid thats what you will get, this week is herioc same thing applies.

[@Dillisan]

You are correct Don.

[@UltimateGamerCC]

this is the biggest reason i dont do group content, it's stressful, it can be a HUGE time waster if the run is a wash, and most of all it's toxic, to the point that it gets even more toxic the further that you go. also i'm gonna have to say that you're doing ez mode being the tank, if you tried to do this as a DPS, you'd be in for even more struggle, meanwhile tanks and heals are rarer, so they will happily take whoever they can get as long as they have a tank or heal, then if they fail it will be squarely blamed on the "noob" of the group. i basically tried to do this back in Shadowlands, i spent like an hour getting a group together, did a single run, then everybody left, when i wanted to grind the key mind you, even stated that on the group, yet still left. it dawned on me rather quickly that going to KSM from Zero is a slog from hell, and that the toxicity of players are the biggest reason for that issue, so i was like "fuck this, i'm going back to doing daily WQs" and thus i never looked back. good on everyone who can deal with this, but i CANT and WONT deal with it, it's NOT worth the stress, it's NOT worth wasting my time with and it's DEFINITELY NOT worth the lack of loot. idk how y'all do it, but i imagine this is the kind of thing that promotes burnout in WoW as a whole, it's not good.

[@Dillisan]

For sure, Tanks have it easier in terms of getting into groups, but you can clearly see how bad I am as a BDK, I did NOT choose this for an easy ride lol. And as you say, the mental challenge is probably the hardest part but it's something I'm thoroughly enjoying so far. To each their own at the end of the day. As for DPS, I will be doing this for all roles regardless so if you want to see me struggle, well then you're in for a treat :P. Voting on the next role (excluding Tanks) will start after this series has ended and that'll happen on my Discord.

[@peterpain6625]

Important note: Never leave your route. Don't tank what the "but but this could be a +3"-Mage pulls. Or they'll never learn ;)

[@Dillisan]

I certainly stick to my guns in future episodes :P

[@dpoyesac66]

To get good you have to make every possible mistake. If there are 99 possible mistakes, you can't be good until you make all 99. If there are 999 possible mistakes, you need to make all 999. So, each time you make a new mistake you should celebrate! One step closer! However, if you make the same mistake over and over that's a whole different issue.

[@Dillisan]

Did you mean to quote multiple Linkin Park songs in this comment? That's how I read this anyway xD. Completely agree, learning from mistakes is all good but if I keep making them...well then the Hunter is spot on :P

[@Solar1808]

great content as always

[@Dillisan]

Along with even better comments!

[@ninjanikstudios2280]

I remember one of my favorite toxic interactions in m+. +5 Halls of Valor was ruined by the tank and a dps bitching about the dps having to release spirit and not getting ressed. Dps literally left and the tank started to chase him saying stuff like “bitch boy” or something. Really annoyed but it wasn’t horrible

[@Dillisan]

Oh boy, had some groups like that in the past...I hope they were reported!

[@scuffedjays3862]

Hey great video! Whats that addon at 3:20? TY!

[@Dillisan]

That addon is called "Opie". Great addon :)

[@jkuhl2492]

"Can I show you a route?" After ignoring the tank's route? "Messed up the key!" Key was timed, wasn't it?

[@Dillisan]

My point exactly, the key was timed, move on lol. Oh well, we move on! :D

[@rabauke9012]

@@Dillisan there is a WA that shows percentage for each mob, helps a lot when you have to wing your route. I think quazi posted it in its channel a few weeks ago

[@Dillisan]

@@rabauke9012 The % is on the right of my screen, what does this WA you speak of do differently to help? Very curious D:

[@SebiBubble]

@@Dillisan I think it shows exact percentage up to .xx when you hover or click an enemy, so you can decide on the fly "will this mob bring us to 100%" for example

[@Andarath69]

@@SebiBubble can you link that WA?

[@chowzters]

Hearing you say that the Catalyst isn't shared, The Catalyst is Shared. You can even do the world boss on 5 characters every week to complete the quest. Something I found on my alt is that the charges are bugged and will only show 1 Charge even though you have 3. (this week that is) So if you wanted to you can easly Catalyst 10 characters a week provided you had the items.

[@Dillisan]

Look at the video when I say it's shared, I place text on screen correcting my derp. This was all pre-recorded and I was super confused about how it all worked. My brain doesn't work sometimes :D

[@phistomefelsmeik]

how do you show "avoidable dmg taken" on details? mine doesnt have that option

[@Dillisan]

That's a Details!: Elitism (plugin). You can also get stuff like Explosions. Search for them in the Curse app :)

[@phistomefelsmeik]

@@Dillisan thanks i check that out

[@wowcnmovie]

I guess the laddering process is where you learn from mistakes and get better. Every level is another new challenge I just don’t get it why so many players are so toxic judging others in the game.

[@billymays9296]

Because you are signing up for something that you should know how to do, and then you clearly don't and ruin the key + waste time?

[@sebbel9063]

Another really enjoyable video! Keep it up! I like the editing of the videos and the commentary is great. Watts your process for making the videos? I guess you play keys and then select the footage? Do you have a script fit when you do your voiceover? I an always intrigued how people match the voice with what’s shown on the video 😊

[@Dillisan]

Super happy to hear you're enjoying! I record pretty much all the footage along with notes throughout, with bullet point notes I record the voiceover (use to do scripts, trying something new). From there I place it all together and BAM, the magic happens :D

[@Mister_Vintage]

Wait till you get to 15, 16 keys. Toxicity is exponential there. God speed.

[@Dillisan]

If I make it that far :P

[@gavinhislop]

Nice video! What is your name plate profile? Is it plater?

[@RalphSchurade]

Looked like Quazii's

[@Dillisan]

Yeah Plater, should have a profile import on my Discord tonight or over the weekend along with all my addons etc :)

[@Dillisan]

I think I imported Quazii's at the beginning of Shadowlands and tweaked it a lot since. Quazii is amazing :)

[@gavinhislop]

@@Dillisan That would be great, it looks nice. I've been trying out plater and some others, but for some reason they keep resizing either tiny or huge, and I've no idea why

[@dbrtomusa]

100% follow the tank and if the % is messed up, no biggie, be nice to the tank lol - It's not always easy unless you have it 100% mapped out lol Unless you are an MDI player or highly ranked in 20+ M+ you shouldn't really be so dang upset... Enjoy the journey and the fact that you are working with other people that you haven't met before and be less toxic in general. So many people just fail to miss the point of a GAME. I had a tank being super nasty to two druids (healer and boomie) in a group. It was their key, they stated up front that they wanted to time, but if we didn't they just wanted to complete. Druids failed 2-3 attempts at last boss in Burial Grounds. Tank then kept calling them losers, and finally threw down an ultimatum. Kill or this is last attempt.. Like why? Relax :)

[@Dillisan]

Wait, not all players are MDI certified? Jokes aside, it can often be rough in M+ but I have also had some really nice experiences so it's not all bad. Sadly a lot of players seem to experience toxicity according to the comments, big sadge.

[@FrostyyLemurr]

Been waiting for EP3!! Wooo!!

[@Dillisan]

Enjoy! #4 soon? >.>

[@FrostyyLemurr]

@@Dillisan Hopefully! But no pressure, crank these out when you can and keep up the quality, I'll be patient. Loved this one!

[@Sleepy2000]

hey man love the content, keep up the great work! Was curious about what add on you use for your character profile like at 1:48

[@Dillisan]

Thanks man, appreciate the love and support! Addon is called Narcissus, it's great!

[@wow6720]

Fyi, you can use Icebound Fortitude to remove stuns/become immune to stuns! :)

[@Dillisan]

I r noob, thank you! :D

[@Boxeye360]

Great series

[@Dillisan]

Thanks Box, glad you enjoyed!

[@Fabiansterll123]

Can you link that Thundering Bar WA? Havent been able to find it.

[@Dillisan]

I’ve updated that specific WA but you can find everything I use in the discord.

[@Ohpeaches87]

Iam new to tanking and starting a warrior a few weeks ago. Doing 18 keys at ilvl 375 they are so broken. Its nice to play a class that is immune to damage so i have time to learn mechanics in the game. Glad blizz made a noob friendly class so we can do higher keys too.

[@Dillisan]

Prot Warrior is very forgiving and would have been my comfort pick, I'm finding BDK a bigger challenge than my brain can handle lol. Great stuff on the keys, GG's!

[@noahhuggins6368]

What addon do you use for the premade group thing

[@Dillisan]

Which one do you mean? Got a timestamp or something?