Why Are the Canary Islands Doomed to Ruin?

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[@ncuco]

I'm from Portugal and this is very frequent. Every time a development is announced, everyone protests and complains. Even heard a guy complain about the idiocy of a project cause it would tear down a tree he climbed as a kid. Time moves on, we must move with it. The Rossio of Aveiro, 10 years ago (before tourism), though right in the center of the city, was always empty. Maybe 10 people a day would pass through. Now its always full of tourists so they decided to improve on it. And of course thousands of people who never even go there: "not in my backyard"

[@ericyuan9718]

Allow the NHR program in the interior of Portugal. The Portuguese don't want to live there but some remote workers are interested as long as there is an internet connection.

[@JamesAlexanderJack]

New York has also become almost too expensive for the locals to live there. There's a reason why NYC recently banned most Airbnb's from operating there.

[@PizeFish]

Airbnb are not to blame the ultra rich are to blame for buying up real estate and not living in it as means of investment there are many ghost real estate in NYC because of that

[@Ryanandboys]

Well that's also because they don't build enough housing because of nimby's lol NYC is one of the most restrictive places in the world to build anything.

[@damianfitzpatrick3465]

If there is an oversupply of tourists perhaps they should be raising their prices eh

[@peytonburns626]

I'm sure the locals would thank you

[@damianfitzpatrick3465]

It would be odd if supply and demand didn't apply to the local workers too, I would hope they would get a cost of living increase

[@theridify]

It's a bit more complicated. I'm currently on Gran Canaria as a digital nomad, and I've talked to both locals and foreigners about this. The truth is that many Canary Islanders just want to be left alone. Their dependence on tourism makes them uncomfortable, as many feel like second-class citizens because of the tourists. As the video mentioned, many Canarians are relatively poor compared to the tourists and especially digital nomads who move here. Several of my friends have decided to move here full-time, and they can afford a much higher standard of living than many locals. English fluency among Canarians is quite low, partly due to the inadequate education system. Many Canarians feel that wealthier foreigners are slowly taking away their homes, but they don't want to openly admit it for fear of appearing xenophobic. However, it is true that every year more and more foreigners settle here, and the cost of living keeps rising. There's also a significant problem with water and agriculture on the island, which the video didn't address. There are large banana and other water-intensive crop plantations here that consume a lot of water. The worst part is that these plantations are essentially unprofitable without state subsidies, as is the case in many other parts of the world. This puts a strain on both the government’s finances and the water supply. However, few people complain because these crops are seen as traditional Canary industries. This contributes to desertification on Gran Canaria, and very little is being done about it. Blaming the majority of problems on tourism is an oversimplification. By the way, many Canarians would rather remain poor than see their island turn into another Balearic island.

[@Zenrei940]

So. "Not in my backyard"? Leave them dry then.

[@RazorMouth]

Desertification? They're rocks to begin with aren't they? Worse than deserts.

[@davegibson79]

The state-subsidised banana plantations are the fault of socialist central planners, not tourists. The tourists do not care if there are banana plantations. There is plenty of space on all the canary islands to build homes, and homes are still cheap to buy compared to most of Europe. They're poor because they live on islands with no resources in the middle of the ocean and all the wealth is in cities, and because their socialist government makes it hard to build anything.

[@ericyuan9718]

I guess the land for water intensive crops should just be turned into affordable housing for the locals. Less water and gov't subsidies, more affordable housing for the locals. And away from rowdy foreigners.

[@davegibson79]

@@ericyuan9718 What's the point of affordable housing when there's no jobs? They have all the water in the Atlantic ocean if they want to build desalination plants, so the crops aren't the problem. Socialism and conservatism is. And it's very rare to see rowdy tourists on the islands. They're not Malaga or Ibiza.

[@mrreziik]

For both spain and portugal, tourism is both a blessing and a curse

[@ericclark133]

Tourism is economy crack. I’m going to repeat it until it’s well understood. The problem with these heavy tourist economies is demonstrated here - those that work to prevent tourism don’t have a viable economic replacement.

[@Xamufam]

People are moving away from new York because it's extremely expensive and bureaucratic

[@peytonburns626]

interestingly that only began to happen with the pandemic, cost of living/housing is definitely a factor but its hard to believe the level of bureaucracy suddenly became unbearable

[@plomox1234]

Tourism definitely causes some problems but what would happen to the economy of the canary islands if the tourists stopped coming?

[@looseycanon]

I do spot some problems. 1) Thinking, that housing can be fixed by high density is simply nonsense. We're dealing with population aging and that we can only solve it by having children (at least in the long term), which however needs housing to be of particular type, eg. single family homes with a large enough back yard, at least according to Peter Zeihan. I can say, that people around me indeed didn't start having kids until they've managed to live with their spouses in houses of their own. High density housing would not solve the island's issue, as it discourages childbearing rather, it would transform one problem inter intensity of another and that is no solution. You don't solve an issue by creating another one. The approach needs to be holistic 2) I recall Neil Degrase Tyson being interviewed (I believe by Joe Rogan) on desalinization deployment and according to him, prices of water and shipping are too low to make desalinization viable. It also explains, where we find the most of these plants. In petro-monarchies of the Gulf, which have both the need for water and income from natural resources to justify the investment. To them is desalinization question of water autonomy then. It's different, when you can't afford something and when you can, but don't need to. Also, desalinated water cannot be used for some applications without further treatment, such as in agriculture, which would either require this extra treatment or parallel infrastructure for this lower quality water, both of which ramp the costs up. 3) changing the islands into industrial economies wouldn't be easy, even if the nimby problem wasn't present here. Canarys are off the coast of Africa fair bit of distance from the Spanish mainland and more importantly, the rest of the EU. Shipping is very cheap these days, but that is thanks to scale of shipping done. Would each island be able to produce enough of industrial output and consume enough goods to justify at least a weekly visit by a Panamax to take advantage of the low shipping prices and thus be competitive on the market with the least barriers of entry? You could argue, that the islands could produce strictly for exports to African nations, but that has it's disadvantages too, not to mention that the goods in the other direction would also not be supplied that easily, hence lower incentive for shipping to the islands, hence higher prices, hence lower competitiveness... I am not convinced of viability of such measure. Taking everything into consideration, making the area into IT hub is likely the only sustainable way to go, because it doesn't need that much more inputs, but there we have that Nimby problem again...

[@jascrandom9855]

Housing prices is solved by supply. Most of Europe and North America is going through a housing affordability crisis because they refuse to abolish foolish restrictive zoning laws, especially height restrictions. You don't need single family homes with back yards to have kids.

[@looseycanon]

@@jascrandom9855 Reality disagrees with your assessment.

[@jascrandom9855]

@@looseycanon No it doesn't.

[@blackbaron0]

Sounds like the UK. Not happy unless they're moaning.

[@eduardoareingdale]

Unlike the Canary Islands, New York's infrastructure can handle all the tourists visiting, and the economy is not bouyed by tourism in the slightest relative to other industries, so there are many income opportunites that can keep up with rising rent costs, versus rent increasing substantially on the Canary Islands where there may not be as many income opportunities save for tourist industry based, which like the locals say most the money shoves offshore and doesn't stay in the local industries.

[@deeptoot1453]

I agree. I've been wondering why Santa Cruz hasn't turned into a Finance/tech hub yet, now I have the answer. I was there last summer and it has all the potential to be the next European version of San Francisco, New york. In fact, Austin and Miami are currently taking over these two cities when it comes to tech and Finance because over regualtion and poor politics are killing these formerly glorious cities.

[@williamalfonso1373]

SMH! people shooting themselves on the foot and complaining about it.

[@patriciospamer1995]

You can’t compare a NYC economy to an island economy in any category…. It’s comparing apples to oranges

[@lightabyss9417]

Yes u can when u compare the concepts of how the city grew and became such a massive player and not just “Oh it’s part of America so it’s good” “Oh it’s New York” Ny had to work to be so iconic

[@jamm8284]

People do realise that most people dont just go on holiday and never leave the hotel. Its things like 2nd homes and investment homes and how wages and taxes are handled in the region, which is a worldwide issue. I uavent been on holiday for years but ehe i was younger i used to go often and i cant remember using any other "corporate" business other than the hotel to sleep and swim in and mcdonalds once of twice in the week. The rest was entirely local businesses. Unless you have other industries to go into like manufacturing, processing or tech, retail work and gig economy work is pretty much all what is left these days. Perhaps if you think corporations are taking too much and not goving enough to the workers, that sounds like a local and national government issue.

[@charlievera95]

the y axis in the "rent-to-income ratio by region" graphic shows the ratio multiplied by 10000, when it actually is by 1000

[@melvinbarnett1910]

As a person living in a country where tourism is the number one industry, I can say it most definitely does not decrease a country's poverty. Low paying low skill industry will never do that, and tourism is such an industry.

[@constantin4128]

During my visit to the Canary Islands, I found the local people to be extremely toxic. Engaging in debates with them was particularly challenging and frustrating. Their behavior and attitudes were often quite unpleasant, and they seemed to be living in a state of delusion. Overall, my interactions with them were disappointing and disheartening. I will never be coming back to this hellhole. The nature is nice, the people there are horrid.

[@ElgrasosoSupremo777]

What did you expect? We're are very angry

[@9856359]

@@ElgrasosoSupremo777 and what do expect from having a bitter atitude? How is that going to improve your life? Go on :)

[@Zephirel2]

I remember another video (superinteresting BTW) you posted related to the way in which tourism is a trap since it hinders economy and development since it does not stimulate innovation. Of course the, not in my backyard mindset is a damn sin, but I feel that you did not touch on the issue of identity crisis of Canary people.

[@axel12zahnmesser52]

Thank you so much, we have exactly the same problem in Germany ❤

[@vinniechan]

Having some tourism is good it keeps low skilled workers employed The problem is if you get too reliant on it there is massive opportunity costs

[@DerDoMeN]

Ha... Slovenia outside Slovenia :) Nice to know that we're not the only ones whit such "highway is the worst thing that happened to us... bad bad people from the cities... I hate those new comers... I like that money that I got from the new comers and I work in the cities that I reach by the highway... but those cities, highway and newcomers are the problem!!!" hypocrisy :)

[@davegibson79]

I go to the Canaries regularly and I bought a very cheap holiday apartment there ten years ago because very few Spanish people wantr to live somewhere so isolated. I rented it out to tenants (only foreign retirees were interested) for rent much more affordable that you could find anywhere in north or central Europe. The hotels are arguably a problem for the local economy as they suck up all the tourist money and send it overseas, but that's not the fault of the tourists; it's the fault of the local politicians who make money on backhanders from the hotels. The canary islands are poor because they're in the middle of the ocean, the local government is famously corrupt and they don't build anything these days due to socialism. The islands are mostly empty desert so the reason they can't afford rents is that the socialist governments won't let people build homes, although don't mind hotel construction and the hotels pay them kick backs. Airbnbs are better for the local economy than hotels as the hotels are all inclusive, so the people who go to the homes don't usually visit the local shops and restaurants and tour agencies. Homes are among the cheapest in Europe to buy, so they shouldn't be renting anyway, they should be getting mortgages. If I could have bought a home that cheaply in the UK, I wouldn't have bought one in Spain. Rents are cheaper further in the island as the tourists are all staying within walking distance of the beaches. The tax money from AirBnBs goes directly to the local tax office and generates wealth for public infrastructure, but this being the Canaries, it magically disappears. There's zero reasons that desalination is a problem given they are islands, but again left wing governments don't like to see anything build these days, and everyone on the island drinks bottled water anyway, so this is an issue of port capacity if anything (not that I've ever noticed a shortage of water). Prices for food and other goods are more expensive than Spain because they come from mainland Europe and the population is small so don't benefit from economies of scale. If the Canaries were more populated, goods on the island would be cheaper. Drunken tourists causing problems are a rare site in Fuerteventura. This is much more common in European citeis like Krakow and Prague where stag dos go, at major football events, and on party islands like Malaga and Ibiza. Occassionally there are drunk and rowdy tourists on the flights back to Germany, Russia or the UK, but not on the flights to mainland Spain, where most of the locals would be flying anyway. Drunken rowdy tourists can easily be solved by having a police or security presence in the drinking hotspots, but no, this is the Canaries, and they have very little infrastructure, and being socialist, they don't like to spend their money on such things. The only reason anyone wants to live on most of the Canary islands is that there is money to be made from tourism. Young Spaniards leave because in the 21st century all the wealth and opportunities are in the megacities. Without tourism, the Canaries would be deeply poor back waters and there wouldn't be regular (and cheap) flights to Spain and elsewhere. The canary islands is perfect for solar energy and wind farms, and as you say they have oil. Socialists don't like building anything these days. The main argument in this video seems to be 'we are poorer than the tourists, even though we would be poorer without them and they pay the taxes. We should have free stuff from taxes while chasing away the people that pay the taxes, and then be rich.' Spain is a corrupt, extremely bureaucratic and socialist country. Living far from anywhere in a place with no infrastructure is expensive. Being poor in Europe these days makes people more socialist. It's a viscous spiral.

[@alfaeco15]

If you want to be poor, don't complain when you remain poor.

[@vasylysapre8059]

I can't believe there are people who don't want to live like in Dubai... or NY...

[@quackcement]

i found canary islands overrated. ocean is relatively choppy and cold, way nicer beaches in other parts of the world

[@randvegeta]

It's the year round mild weather. There are more beautiful places, better beaches, better waters etc. But having lived in Tenerife for 2yrs, I struggle to think of a place in the world that is quite as comfortable. It's just so easy here. And quite cheap, relative to most of Europe at least. It's safe, cheap, high standard of living, very mild weather year round.... It's too comfortable. The curse of this place is you don't feel like doing anything.

[@quackcement]

@@randvegetaoky, u fluent in Spanish? Because that certainly helps.

[@24June91]

Fuertevenetura has beaches as good as Greece. The problem there is all the nudists.

[@quackcement]

@@24June91 I was thinking of the Bahamas or Florida btw or even places like Hong Kong, 30 degree warm water, white sandy beaches and palm trees

[@TheSandkastenverbot]

So the politicians aren't to blame for everything? I could literally hear the crumbling of worldviews ^^. We need more news like that!

[@Vroomfondle1066]

Who benefits though?

[@peytonburns626]

from what

[@SchmittsPeter]

That was actually kind of funny.

[@pabloelsur1624]

ZEC - Zona Especial Canaria pays only 4% income tax and no tax on dividend. I think every mayor entity is classified as ZEC, al you have to do is to invest only 100.000€ and create 5 jobs, that´s it. That´s the way money gained here is going away ...

[@gregoryhillmercury645]

Its only up to 1 million euros anything after that does not Apply

[@pabloelsur1624]

@@gregoryhillmercury645 Nope, there is no limit to 1 milion or whatever. It's plain 4%. See art. 43 - Ley 19/1994 de modificación del Regimen Económico y Fiscal de Canarias.

[@gregoryhillmercury645]

@@pabloelsur1624 jesus, so lets say i own an company in sweden doing 4 million euro + profit per year in canarias if i move my business there and hire 5 people and become eligle for this the company has to pay no tax on dividend and only 4% on income tax?

[@pabloelsur1624]

@@gregoryhillmercury645 yeap, 4% on Legal Entities Income Tax and no tax on dividends transferred outside Canarias

[@lightabyss9417]

My first thought was just “How r they blaming tourism and the government gets none of the blame” But how can u blame the gov when it’s ppl r worried bout fuckin rabbit holes 💀

[@pavelkozlov7163]

Bees against the honey... 😳

[@zpaulocarraca9168]

Same thing in Portugal's Algarve. Populists got a magority in last parliamentary elections.

[@stefanosnikolaidis552]

Every citizen that lives in a tourist place say they can't deal with every day problems such as housing,cost of living yet the video say tourism is good for the locals 😂😂😂

[@ittisjartam8913]

Is Ibiza wealthier? I mean locals living in cars…

[@rodneykelly8768]

The people feel like they are being ignored. Therefore, the solution needs to appear to come from the people. The solution doesn't matter, just as long as the people think it was their idea.

[@looseycanon]

There is a problem with that logic, though... What if they'll call for subsidies from mainland for nothing? That is what would come from anyone, but would that solve the problem?

[@stvdmc2011]

Don't they have democracy?

[@looseycanon]

@@stvdmc2011 Not everything can be solved through democracy and democratic measures... Just look at the damage caused by Brexit, which had been agreed upon by referendum...

[@jettjones9889]

Actually brexit hasn’t hurt the UK. The UK cumulative GDP growth since brexit 2016-2022 is 9%, Germany and France at 8% only Spain at 10% is better. UK exports are up 14% and foreign direct investment has gone from 1.6% of GDP pre brexit to 3.1%. Inflation is now lower than Germany.

[@looseycanon]

@@jettjones9889 Yeah... you might want to recalculate those numbers with pre-referendum exchange rate. Pound Sterling is at the moment about 20% weaker than before... Also, look around a bit. Poland has caught up with UK economy wise, there are labor shortages in fields, that used to be done by Europeans from drivers through seasonal farm workers to nurses...

[@navajyotichetia8968]

They are creating their canary in the coal mine

[@Mrgunsngear]

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[@olderchin1558]

The problem is liberal democracy and ideology. Everybody have rights, society should respect it.

[@MuhammadAhmad-db6sf]

Spain Against Toruism impossible Man!! There 1/3 Economy based on Tourism 🤔 How can Spain claim This??

[@johnvif]

Cool name, not suspicious at all. Anyway, it'd against excessive tourism, not tourism itself

[@Ali-xc8iu]

Thanks for calling Persian gulf, Persian gulf :)

[@Khneefer]

My thought after video: The Canary Islands are the Spanish California.

[@ArawnOfAnnwn]

Cos of NIMBYs? VE never told us what the islanders themselves said for each of those ideas, only what VE thought about them.

[@AlexdaCunha]

Just the silicon valley is missing 🤭 which is what makes California rich

[@shahafanglister5360]

Thats what happenes when you think like a child

[@gilberttello08]

👍👍

[@calebbearup4282]

I know that Iceland is different than the canary Islands. But I would like to see you do a comparison between the two in regards to tourism and other similarities and differences

[@peterp4037]

This channel is about discrediting Spain. So expect the opposite by them about iceland.

[@dennisalsmeijer3698]

You talk Canarian Islands, but you only take Tenerife as an example, which is a bit short sided. I live on Gran Canaria for over 20 years now, worked in the tourism industry almost al of my life. It is not that we or the Canarians are saying no more tourism, it that what we have now in room numbers is more than enough, instead of keep building more and more hotels, renew/renovate the ones that are there already. Some are just falling apart. Then you got some casco buildings along the coast, that never completad for God knows what kind of reason, finish those first before blowing up an other side of a mountain to construct an other apartment tower,resort or whatever. Also we have huge ports in both Tenerife and Gran Canaria, in the winter season we also acomodad thousands of cruise passengers, and if you drive true some parts of Las Palmas you will see your high rises. What set of those demonstrations funny enough started with some old foreign hippies who lived there for already years and years in some cave houses in a Protected Nature Reserved area. They stared to demonstrate because of a new Resort that was planned there and started construction, so they were sumen to leave. Then, , , well you know what happend next, what started as a small group got the interest of some nature guys and voila, huge demonstration. I can´t blame them, after all it is a protected nature area but some politicians made some real good money there, to well you know, stretch the rules a bit. Energy wise, well the wind mills are on land, at the windiest part of the island, and for the last 4/5 years, solar farms have been build on a big scale, just take a look along the highway GC 01. We working on it, investing in it, but also try to keep our unique landscape.

[@24June91]

Much more got done over the years on Gran Canaria relative to Tenerife. In Tenerife the bureaucrats and politicians are very corrupt do nothing types people. But GK is smaller and more crowded than Tenerife. The two islands do not have the same problems and solutions.

[@kaesardb]

Protesting against everything is the European National hobby. Mainly in Spain and France...

[@luisfer14240]

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[@bobeg749]

The number of tourists could be controlled by instituting a visitor’s tax, which would reduce the number of tourists and provide income. But Josh’s assumption is that development (however defined) is a good thing, whereas in the overall global scheme of fighting climate change, development is counterproductive. Every time I see a video that is enthusiastic about drilling oil as the solution to economic problems, my hopes for the future fade a bit more.

[@egg174]

Sounds like nimbys

[@CesarLuisAfonsoDias]

And this video was sponsored by.... Serious, the videos is very very biased, one of the worst I watch here. Im not Canarian or Spanish, but I think people just want balance, not everything sold to foreigners, not feeling they pay all the taxes and thus assuming all the responsibility for the infrastructure and some kinda of feel they can accomplish something. There is only three ways for a city/country get rich, have natural resources, sell the city/country to richer foreigners or improve the productivity of its citizens. Most countries opted for the first two... its always easier.

[@Vroomfondle1066]

Who are you shilling for VisualEconomik?

[@peytonburns626]

the globalists obviously, its an international conspiracy to keep the world poor

[@retiefl]

They should just implement a large tourist tax to help pay for additional infrastructure and add more regulations for Airbnb

[@peterp4037]

The video lacks of objectivity and the only goal is to discredit. I am pretty sure if it was a nordic country instead the treatment would have been different. It's incredible.

[@jimjohnson4072]

Found the guy who has to cry racism at every little turn!!! Get over yourself kid lol 🤡

[@ArawnOfAnnwn]

@@jimjohnson4072 He's right that the video wasn't objective. There was a clear attempt to demonize the islanders, and not once did we get to hear their own reasons for taking the positions they did, only how VE thought about it.

[@peytonburns626]

discredit who, the entire islands population? he didn't go after any specific cause or issue its a systemic issue, the arguments for or against any one reform dont matter if nothing is done to fix the problem. nordics have their problems but they are the richest and happiest countries in the world, we should look to them for inspiration

[@mendesjosr4438]

Fully agree. Keeps on doing it in many videos about southern Europe. Almost had a kitten when Portugal closed its mostly useless Gilden Visa program.

[@peterp4037]

No they are not, they get 16 million tourists a year. But this channel is all about against Spain and everything about them.

[@peytonburns626]

you're right its just non stop anti-spain propaganda

[@jascrandom9855]

They are a Spanish channel.

[@lynseyluvsatwink9800]

So according to your world view, we should force the natives on North Sentinel Island to let Marriott build a resort there, because that whole fishing and living free from capitalism thing is really stifling their progress. It's only been working for them for a thousand years, so maybe they need someone to come in and "FIX" their living situation.

[@Ryanandboys]

No one said that 😂 It depends on what their objectives are, most people want a better standard of living and in a place like the Canary islands that comes mostly from tourism and that has trade offs that may be negative. Market economies tend to be what most people want but not everyone or every cultural there is nothing wrong with my neighbors who are Amish that choose to live like it's 1750 and they are essentially communists in their local community where all is shared with all. It's not my ideal but I can see how it's worked very well for them for a few hundred years.

[@noneofyourbusiness5326]

Why did you compare tourists to land area between the Canary Islands and New York City rather than tourists to population? Answer -- NYC tourists are a minor fraction of the total population of NYC which is already a high-rise location while tourists to Canary Island Population is 1:1. AND (eye-roll) off shore wind energy is not cheap, not ecologically sound. And how many protests would you have if you put oil rigs in sight of Manhattan? You wouldn't want to show your face. And you have never lived with the strict water issues in, say, Hawaii, where I have lived. And, unlike the Canaries, Hawaii has a LOT of rain from the mountains on the islands. And for rentals, you DO NOT put a Korean style High Rise on a volcanic island. I suggest you live on an small island (not Britain or Ireland) for a while and learn about the issues.

[@DanyCesc83]

The problem is the European culture and entitlement

[@ArawnOfAnnwn]

Gonna be honest here - this felt like a hitpiece. You kept bringing up NIMBYs everytime you showed opposition to the various proposals you suggested, but not ONCE did you tell us what the Islanders themselves have said as their reasons for opposing each of those ideas. That makes it come across as just you pontificating airily about sacrifice from above (and afar). If the reasons they're opposed to those plans are poor, let us judge that for ourselves instead of substituting your voice and take for that of the people and speaking for them. There was a very clear through line of trying to demonize the Islanders throughout this video, that doesn't befit you.

[@looseycanon]

It's not important, what the islanders say. When someone objects to something and give good reasons, that is one thing. But that doesn't happen all the time! If the same people start objecting against basically anything and everything, then you have to call their motivations into question, because even if their arguments are good, they might care more about the status quo than the arguments they bring forward, irrespective of their validity.

[@peytonburns626]

Its not just a canary island problem this type of local obstruction is a big part of why housing is so unaffordable in many cities. It is true that the problems mentioned all do have solutions however, it doesn't really matter what the reasons for protesting these projects are if no alternative is implemented. Clearly something must change if there are chronic power and water shortages

[@FlamingBasketballClub]

Please do a video on Bayer Leverkusen. This team recently completed the 2023-24 Bundesliga season unbeaten and they could possibly complete a treble.

[@enelabe]

I cannot take a video that uses Dubai as a positive example of a blooming society seriously.

[@LeRoiJojo]

The condescending tone is helping no one. Seriously, I'm from the other side of the world and I feel insulted.

[@24June91]

But unfortunately, he is right. In Tenerife is ruled by socialists and environmentalists, and nothing gets done. It's an island with immense opportunities. Mostly it is old Spanish people that vote here, and they vote the same bad people into power every year.

[@hadtrio6629]

That coastline + the canaries Islands themselves are both technically Moroccans

[@24June91]

They are NOT

[@hadtrio6629]

@@24June91 they are according to the law of the seas

[@24June91]

@@hadtrio6629 Tenerife is 90 minutes flight from Morocco. Spain settled the Canary Islands. Also, Morocco is occupied by Arabs.

[@brunolima7402]

Tourism means poverty for sure.. poverty for the average citizens of those places.. wealth for big companies and rich people that buy houses like there was no tomorrow to rent for tourists/digital nomads that come from wealthier countries so locals can't compete with what these tourists can afford for rent. Protectionist measures need to be taken to safeguard locals. The same is happening in many places in Portugal. So your claim that "Tourism doesn't bring povery, quite the opposite" is absolute nonsense. A handful of people thrive while millions struggle.

[@Shivartin]

Can you, then, describe how Canary Islands can thrive in your opinion.

[@kveigar]

@@Shivartinno they cant, its mentality of government give us money… there is nothing else to do except growing bananas, fishing and couple of goats. Without tourism they would be much poorer.

[@johnvif]

​@@Shivartinthere's a premise that it needs to thrive. Why? The people from the land choose their destiny, whatever it is. They cannot be hipocrite afterwards 'tho. And if they do not accept their majority, as a democracy, they can either fight for their ideias or leave if they see it's not worth it

[@zurielsss]

Did you not watch the video? Most of the hotels and AirBNBs are operated by the locals, they are the ones pricing out the other locals and keeping the rent so high people are living paycheque to paycheque. Probably the same ones protesting against wind / solar farms, desalination plants and oil exploration too😂.

[@agmuntianu]

the fabled '60s and '70s are gone, the time when tourists were few in number but huge spenders. there is a solution really : prevent cheap travel to the islands and heavily promote the place as an upscale destination. The downsides with this solution are : economic downturn until it catches up , risk of failure to attract the desired tourists , required local investments to cater to upscale tourists

[@AlexdaCunha]

What a genius idea.. burning oil for desalination plants 🤦 are you serious???

[@Zenrei940]

Why don't you contribute all your saving for a much more expensive power production facilities. And maintain the cost of maintenance. Oil can be consume or sold internationally.

[@AlexdaCunha]

@@Zenrei940 desalinisation is just dumb. If there is not enough water reduce the tourists that are harming the environment. Mass tourism is bad for everyone

[@vasylysapre8059]

Will keep everybody busy. Endless consuming and waste-producing