Why authorities fear this outlawed stove

[@ajvoice6290]

You can make a primary explosive called HMTD relatively easily from hexamine, I did as a teenager in a time where alarming the neighbours by blowing a hole in your back garden was regarded as high jinks rather than terrorism.

[@Anon-mk4ms]

The population demographics were very different back then, no more "jolly japes" for you Englishman.

[@BlackRat-vw9jv]

What is the world coming to where you can't blow something up, burn it or cause local chaos. So glad I grew up when, we got away with doing stupid things.

[@mrfitz96]

You are correct. All you need are another 2 common and freely available substances to create a detonator.

[@chipfire]

I had to check your profile to see if you were my brother

[@doonhamer252]

but you need a huge quantity to process .. probably the bad guys can source the product easier ..

[@malcolmspeakman9699]

Absolutly ridiculous, i used hexi blocks and burners all throughout my army career which was 18 years, now they want to ban them? they may just as well ban matches the stupid ponces.

[@donlarocque5157]

I had some that were so old I crumbled them up and started a little wood fire. The truncated ones.

[@ralphpeed3596]

Dont give them any ideas.

[@PhilbyFavourites]

If you’re really old and served in the Falklands then it’s highly likely you ate food cooked on these stoves supplied from RNVD BURNETTS LANE (Royal Naval Victualing Depot - said the old Transport Manager). Sadly I think 255 died in that conflict - none from using a Hexi Cooker. In my four years there in the 80’s we pushed those out in the millions. And very effective they were too. Currently reading a Vietnam War autobiography and there is constant reference to setting light to blocks of C4 plastic explosive to cook on….

[@salguodrolyat2594]

Don't give them ideas.🤣

[@LTPottenger]

They probably will ban those, too. Welcome to global slavery

[@VictemTM]

Licencing. When the government takes a right away from you, But is willing to sell that right back to you for a price.

[@gunner678]

Lol there are alternatives which are perfectly fine. Hexamine was designed for army use in the UK, and like lots of equipment, not for civilian use. So what!

[@cal5566]

What are you talking about, you could go into your local outdoors shops and buy round hexamine tablets before the ban. As for alternatives, the newer fire dragon is far less energy dense than hexamine.

[@lawrencemartin1113]

And....in the case if Hexi, you will not be 'granted' the licence. You can go through the motions of applying, but it's highly unlikely to be granted. Despite the fact that hexamine is used in medicines and other useful things, it is now of great concern to 'the powers that be' because apparently, if you are even a half decent amateur chemist with mal intent, it can be somehow used to produce explosives. I have no idea how and don't want to know, but clearly enough evidence exists to show that this widely available substance was/is being used by bad people to do bad things. Again, those of us who use things for their intended purpose, pay the penalty. When I was a young lad of 13 years of age, I and many of my friends, who all played in the woods building camps and going for camping trips, would routinely wear a small sheath/belt knife. We never for a second considered those tools as weapons. No one went around stabbing each other. No one batted an eyelid when you stopped in a village store to get supplies with your friends. People understood the purpose and were if anything, friendly and interested in your adventures. Now, you are lucky if you can even carry a Swiss Army Knife in the bottom of a rucksack!! It saddens me to see the rapid decline in what was such an ordinary, normal and safe way of life, as society falls apart and everywhere there is such discontent and aggression. Our rapid transition away from real things to virtual things is very much linked to it, with graphic violent games being played online by such vast numbers of young people. I am not naive enough to believe that 'everything was always better in the past', and that there was no knife crime at all or violence, that was never the case, but it has run out of control and increased exponentially with the instant communication of a smart phone and 'anti-social' media. People can vent their most unpleasant thoughts globally and it catches and spreads like a forest fire. The cult of gangs, drug abuse and a willingness to use extreme violence has become a fast growing cancer in our world and especially among our younger members of society. Tragic, and for those of us who enjoy a genuine 'outdoor' recreational lifestyle, we are the unintended 'other victims' and the ones who pay the price. Banning things has never been a great way to prevent their improper use. It just drives the issue underground, and in an odd way, shrouds it in ' cool' for those who seek to do wrong. Widespread education and large scale investment in sorting out the problems at ground level, might be a better way forward, but it will never happen. Sorry...rant over!! 😁

[@JoesWebPresence]

Since the land reform act (Scotland) 2003 it has been illegal to have 'open fires' in almost any camp setting. The solution was to have an enclosed fire, and these stoves met that specifiction of not being an open fire. Being Scottish, I was never one for wasting money on actual hexiblocks, so I often just used what was to hand. These days I use a collapsable stove made of steel plates. I notice that 12% hydrogen peroxide is also on that list. Soon, the nanny state will ban flour or custard for domestic use, as they can also be explosive. How any of this would deter a would be terrorist is beyond me. These all have legitimate industrial uses, and it wouldn't be hard to obtain the necessary licenses. What are they gonna do after they blow themselves up? Fine them? Meanwhile, petrol, propane and other accelerants are freely available in abundance, and deadly noxious fumes can be produced with easily obtained household chemicals. It's either a dumbassed game of whack-a-mole, or it's an excuse to further de-fang the public, just in case they figure out they are slowly being infantalized and domesticated.

[@georgeborrow4001]

I didn't know the " open fires" law and yes I was surprised by some of the items on the list too.

[@JesterJ920]

Don’t forget sugar

[@Morio412]

Nearly 40 quid for the 'license' in my eyes that's the most important part. Governments love to steal money from their population.

[@occamraiser]

Custard powder is very heavily regulated wherever it is in the air in powder form - since factories making it explode from time to time. So rightly so. By the way H2O2 is used by terrorists to make liquid explosive.... so are you sure you want it off the list you know-nothing-smug-"$£%Y^^

[@inguzwulf]

I think you're partly right but actually it's more to do with lazy politicians addressing the symptoms and not the cause (one is easy and wins votes with the non-thinking, dumbed-down majority - and more importantly - is a cheap fix; the other takes effort, resources, and determination). Certain vested interests won't [substitute appropriate word here - I'll use 'fund'] you if you actually address the cause of a problem, afterall: where's THEIR payday if you do? ...

[@Ogrematic]

So if you have certain chemicals, you're automatically a criminal and terrorist. Remember the movie V For Vendetta?

[@edeledeledel5490]

No

[@wideyxyz2271]

@@edeledeledel5490 Well go and watch it then.

[@edeledeledel5490]

@@wideyxyz2271 Why?

[@ivorwindybottom7364]

I remember using those on exercise in the Army.

[@Mr-Spook-1971]

I live in australia where we have total fire bans and these stoves are still available, We use to use them in the cadets when we were kids .

[@rodpope7838]

I have one in my hiking pack.

[@baobo67]

Yep. Me too at Singleton, Good old days. Cheers

[@alganhar1]

The stoves themselves are not banned in the UK. I still use mine. There are non Hexi fuel alternatives, indeed in a pinch many wax type solid firelighters make an acceptable substitute, though not as long lasting.

[@richardm7004]

So am I and I used them for 10 years as an army reservist. As for Total Fire Bans, hexy stoves are no more of a problem than lighting a campfire, neither of which are permitted on TFB days.

[@salvothegermanshepherd4399]

There was a reason why George Orwell's 1984 was set in Britain.

[@Hex___666]

Yes, it's because he's British

[@callumclark3358]

Was it?

[@thomasmusso1147]

There is nothing more implacable, intolerant and uncompromising than the 'gentle', friendly-faced leftist 'liberal'.

[@karlos543]

@hex___666: Best comment this week 👍

[@jedfra9172]

The setting of 1984 is Oceania, a giant country comprised of the Americas; the Atlantic Islands, including the British Isles; Australia; and the southern portion of Africa.

[@StellaAsh]

A little off- topic I know; but as a housewife I have for a long time been frustrated with the growing amount of chemical 'fruit' and other flavourings added to almost every household cleaning and personal care product which children are supposedly attracted to and attempt to drink - so they come up with 'childproof' caps, which are difficult for older people and those with stiff joints to open. Yet I watched a young toddler open one of those 'child-proof' caps for his grandmother. I now buy such items from online companies that sell un-scented products that have no chemical scents and fragrances because I don't wish my bathroom and WC to smell like a sickly vanilla pod etc - but why make cleaning and other chemical products that mimic the smell of edible items in the first place?

[@animal0mother]

There's a brand of cleaning detergent here in the states called "Fabuloso". Its containers look like juice containers, it smells like juice, and it's thinner like juice. It's often in displays out of aisles where it's stripped of any context that it is a cleaning product.

[@jedfra9172]

@@animal0mother Wow that's nuts.

[@alanjameson8664]

One of my classmates who was in the air cavalry in Viet Nam said they would use C4 pried out of Claymore mines for cooking when in the field; no smoke, no odor, worked just fine, and they could get as many Claymore mines as they asked for. I gather that hexamine is used in the synthesis of C4.

[@doonhamer252]

Or shattered naval artillery shells..

[@donaldasayers]

I understand that hexamine triggers bomb detectors, 'sniffers' in use at UK airports and probably covertly elsewhere on transport infrastructure, this I would suggest is the main reason for the ban. Using hexamine as a precursor to explosives is an industrial process, it is not easy and requires the use of concentrated nitric and sulphuric acids, already on the restricted list. Anyone attempting to make explosives at home, from hexamine by any of the published routes (see wiki.) is likely to blow themselves up, there are much easier explosives to make. Metaldehyde was the fuel of choice, for camping stoves before hexamine was brought in, metaldehyde has the disadvantage of being mildly toxic, but is still legal.

[@markhosking1882]

Thank you. Best explanation I've read so far. Kind of makes sense, sadly.

[@rogercamp2910]

Hex blocks are also highly toxic. One doesn't need hex blocks to make explosives, just look under the sink in most houses. Enough material there too make a big bang.

[@bernardedwards8461]

Hexamine is also toxic and the consunption of three blocks is enough to kill, but I have never heard of anyone committing suicide with them or using them to commit murder.

[@HoneyMarketingBoard]

Hexamine is Highly Toxic, we were issued it with rat packs in the army. Army use it because it gives no smoke off.

[@stephenthirkettle7663]

Making explosives from hexamine is a lot easier than you describe. I have used a hexistove a lot in the past and find it unfortunate that they are now banned, but I understand the reasons behind it. Your assumption as to the reason for the ban only brushes the surface.

[@paulwilson2651]

They were issued to the army.

[@rattyboots]

So were explosives :o)

[@occamraiser]

so are anti-tank missiles, are you advocating free access to military grade firearms?

[@wullieg7269]

toxic last choice

[@paulwilson2651]

@@rattyboots Yeah they stoves used to blow up all the time. NOT!

[@paulwilson2651]

@@occamraiser No but I'm advocating that you get a Brain!

[@gillyrcgilmore3742]

Next, you will not be able to own a pair of scissors , then it will be a spoon.

[@RemoteCamper]

Aggravated possession of scissors.. He was running.

[@peterk1948]

Next it will be a brain, you can't have a brain or you may not vote Labour or Tory and not watch the BBC

[@HereBeDragonsCymru]

I tried to buy some forceps for my son’s fishing kit. Because he was with me, the shop refused to sell me any. Just bought some online in the end…

[@gillyrcgilmore3742]

@@HereBeDragonsCymru ohh my god! Beware pinches can be fatal. Ha ha 🤣

[@Will_CH1]

The UK government overreach is significant

[@occamraiser]

why? Just because something wasn't previously a problem doesn't mean it will never become a problem. Just look at hydrogen peroxide - it used to be used to lighten hair - now it is used by terrorists to make liquid explosives.

[@tommyhall6695]

We used to use firelighters

[@cheechwizard7564]

*_"The UK government overreach is significant"_* I would say so. Around here I can get hexamine tablets at the local Walmart. But this is the USA, so...

[@doonhamer252]

Total police state.. a return to serfdom..

[@redpillnibbler4423]

Understatement of the decade.

[@michaelhernandez410]

Because some people act like children, governments treat all people like children.

[@Simon-wi3dk]

Government = to govern the mental .

[@wideyxyz2271]

Wrong. The government are actually scared of the public, that's why they don't want you to bear arms. They want to control you. If you think I am wrong, then you need to wake up and look at ALL the controlling laws and legislation that's been sneaked through over the last 70 years!

[@takeapictureitlllastlonger5768]

I was not born to be ruled.

[@mattkingaby]

2 years in nick for running a Mamod traction engine, any decent judge would laugh that out if court I would hope.

[@007JHS]

We used to get a hexamine stove with our rat (ration) packs... Once I got home after manouvres or out in the field I'd give my hexy stove and any blocks along with left over rations to my young sons to have a cook out in the back yard.

[@Thingsthatgopew22]

My little steam engine is sitting here crying it's steam out.

[@donaldasayers]

Buy a butane conversion kit from the Likes of Forest classics, or retro fit an old Mamod meths burner, or get a ceramic wool block to soak in meths to fit in the burner tray. Other fuel tablets are available. Non story.

[@awatt]

Mamod we're told that they can't sell their substantial stock of fuel. They may just go under as a result.

[@gerryegan4872]

My steam engine is missing its weekly run, this is crazy, what about hobbyists with steam models that need these blocks to run them. Are they going to compensate us for not using our models. I am no threat , just a modeller.

[@awatt]

@@gerryegan4872 Use gelled alcohol in a suitable container. Make your own from meths and eggshells or buy dome from firedragon

[@baobo67]

BBQ lighters work.

[@nineteen8486]

its all about control .....

[@D-B-Cooper]

Freedom doesn’t need a permit.

[@Kaisan-vc8fw]

Well, that bumper sticker slogan means nothing 😂Thanks for sharing ...

[@D-B-Cooper]

@@Kaisan-vc8fw to you.

[@andrewjohnalbrighton6140]

It's the actual hexamine tablet fuel that is outlawed , not the stove , as some people are lead to believe.

[@fmike15]

Duh, watch the video genius

[@oldbatwit5102]

@@fmike15 Duh, read the clickbait title genius.... 'Why authorities fear this outlawed stove'

[@peterbuckley3877]

@@oldbatwit5102because they are commonly referred to around the works as a heximine stove, it’s pretty well in its name what it runs on

[@lauriestlyon8773]

@@oldbatwit5102 It is a Hexi block stove. No blocks no stove!

[@alsatful]

@@lauriestlyon8773 actually some candles and fuel cans fit inside them but I get what you are saying

[@MrScotia]

I was wild camping just a few weeks ago at Loch Lomond and used my Hexi stove. I live at the southern part of the loch and usually just stuff as few items as possible into my rucksack and head off on my push bike for a wee overnighter. The Hexi stove is ideal due to its compact design and you can keep the fuel tablets in it. I had no idea it was illegal and inadvertently I've probably incriminated myself due to posting my camping trip on Facebook, with my Hexi stove. I won't be getting rid of it anytime soon as I still have around 2 dozen tablets left. I'm not sure how seriously this law will be enforced or people will take it but I've not seen any adverts or announcements in Scotland and the tablets are still widely available to buy on Amazon UK.

[@alganhar1]

The stove itself is fine, its only the Hexi blocks that are illegal. You have been able to get none Hexamine fuel blocks for those stoves for decades now, and in a pinch any wax style solid firelighter will work decently enough as a fuel. So don't bin the stove, just replace the blocks.

[@brucerobinson1284]

Some bean counter that has never been camping needs to feel important .

[@occamraiser]

or someone who wants to stop people making firebombs? Or Explosives? There is no discussion of why it has been added to the list - because no one here wants to do any thinking - just flex their whinge-bitterly muscles.......again.

[@rustledjammies8769]

Thar bean-counter was a Counter Terrorism cop!

[@Kaisan-vc8fw]

Oh, you mean a government advisi g chemist has pointed out what this stuff can be used for in explosive production? Really, go read a book.

[@pikachu6031]

@@Kaisan-vc8fwExplosives can EASILY be made out of SUGAR, FERTILISER, and CUSTARD POWDER! I suggest that you also, go and read a book!!!

[@pikachu6031]

@@TheMcspreader Is salt on there?? Explosives can even be made from salt too…….As a Physicist with a huge knowledge of Chemistry also, I don’t need to read the Government’s Bullshit Manual!!

[@scaxle]

The stove is not Illegal, Just the fuel blocks, others are available.

[@georgeborrow4001]

Yes this is true. The fuel block I use in the video was not hexamine and it actually worked really well. Thanks for watching.

[@occamraiser]

Absolutely. And so are little bits of wood if necessary.

[@riklund691]

Yes,I remember when I used to use hexi-blocks that there was quite a potent toxicity in the fumes(as per the warning on the packaging). They have probably had to make things 'idiot proof' recently!

[@DaveSherry-z1w]

Is that the point?

[@garystewart2512]

Iv still loads of them

[@cuhurun]

As a former Royal Anglian, all I can say is... so glad I emigrated several years back. And the root cause of the ban ? Allowing undesirable and violent 'elements' (and I ain't taking about hexamine) to enter and proliferate in the UK.

[@nineteen8486]

they can FO

[@timwebster8122]

Also used in many live steam models such as Mamods

[@icky_mack]

In east coast Canada were i live stores are required to keep track of their inventory of theses fuel tablets. Government over reach soon to be banned.

[@davej7458]

Elected or appointed the buroatic mind is unbelivable in its need to regulate and control the lives of honest, lawabiding, and hard-working people. But also is so incredible in its need to support, encourage and protect those who won't work and actually commit crime.

[@mikenas8271]

What makes me laugh is that we are allowed to buy a real explosive material legally. You can buy it by going from shop to shop buying small amounts so not to indicate any suspicion. A few hundred kilos of this stuff can take out a full street. I am talking about Fireworks,

[@robshirewood5060]

yes and the moslems and others buy large quantities every year with their incessant firework use. We used to have our animals scared once a year now it goes on forever. Letting civilians have gunpowder which can be processed and used to make weapons and loads for bullets etc is insane. Hydrogen Peroxide is used for medical purposes where pus is present and very useful for many medical and other reasons and nothing to do with weapons, If terrorists want to make explosives there are hundreds of other products freely available and i am sure they already know that and have ways to do it. Once again the government fails to deal with the elephant in the room, remove the threat and do not import any more, and then deport the rest.

[@occamraiser]

Tell that to the people of Northern Ireland. For decades they weren't.

[@astronautist4716]

But for how long? They've been going after fireworks for years & some supermarkets have already stopped selling them

[@christopherowen8484]

Can’t see the point of fireworks

[@s.sradon9782]

I remember when HCl acid got banned, as an electronic engineering student it is now a crime for me to etch circuit boards. We need to take lessons from the irish.

[@rogueriderhood1862]

Everything not compulsory is forbidden.

[@arcticradio]

I wonder if other countries will follow? The UK army surplus hex stoves (with blocks) were available in Finland a while ago but then we are allowed to use our common sense unlike the UK. We have knives too but nobody goes around using them to harm anyone. As a an outdoors person I love feeling free to carry what I need.

[@Subgunman]

About as stupid as some of the knife laws in the states. Too much hollyweird movies of the past lead to the regulation of "switchblades". As for me I carried an auto knife on the job. Working in communications there is a need to climb a tower to do work on feedlines and antenna connectors. Even tied off to the tower with my safety gear it’s nice to have a hand free when I open the knife to slice off the weatherproofing cover on a cable connector. Never had an issue carrying it on the ground either and I worked on radio gear for several departments, no one even bothered to ask when I used it in the cruisers.

[@doonhamer252]

some put it on a listed schedule of explosive making material.. A simple remedy could have been to make it only available through approved vendors and buys simple sign for showing ID ..at one time we could only buy Meth for cooking stoves at a chemist and to sign for..

[@doonhamer252]

They have, Canada is in the process of..

[@stephenwarhurst6615]

Are they still called a Dixie Stove? I remember them when I was in RAAF Air Cadets as a kid back in the 1980's

[@texasaggiegigsem]

That's crazy. I carry one of these stoves in my truck. There are other things on that list, like HCl that anyone with a swimming pool will have. Also, anyone with a car with a battery in it has sulfuric acid, also on that list. While here in the US we aren't prohibited from these, there are some equally as stupid state laws that over-generalize. We're not allowed any lab glassware, for instance.

[@lawrencemartin1113]

I only came across this change to the law very recently (June 2024) by pure chance. An algorithm popped a model steam railway enthusiasts video into my feed and the chap started talking about the ban on Hexamine, which many of these engineers use to heat the boilers of larger live steam models. I couldn't believe it! So I dug around and hey presto! I found a few more bits of info on this. I then had a bit of a panic! From many years taking cadets on camps, I had collected up loads and loads of part used and discarded hexi stoves and a ton of hexamine that were being thrown away (landfill!). I use it for bush craft occasionally, as a back up fire lighter and on some canoe trips, with the stoves. So now I have taken my stockpile and incinerated the entire lot! What a terrible waste. But, as with so many things in this world that start off being innocent and very useful, bad people do bad things with them and we all pay the price. I imagine one day, we will all end up using our fingers to eat again, as with the horrific rise in knife crime, they surely must, following the same 'logic', ban every type of knife in the UK! Hexamine was never great stuff as it gives off some very nasty toxic fumes, but it was useful and often got your fire going faster in damp conditions. For me, it's not a huge tragedy as I do much prefer to use either a meths or alcohol burner or twig stoves. Much more enjoyable to use. The thing that is incredible about this change to the law, is that it was not publicised in any widely visible way within the camping, bushcraft and outdoor community. It just crept into being and we were all left to 'discover' it, if we stumbled upon it! With such sweeping penalties for possession (of ANY quantities) one might imagine a bigger noise being made by the HO.....but no, yet again, everything is shrouded in the fog of beaurocracy! Typical.y advice: just burn all your stock and get rid of it. You can still manage to use the folding stoves with other fuels. Having said that, the new Dragon fuel units are packed in single use plastic, which is terrible! One of the great benefits of Hexi, was that the packaging of waxed cardboard meant that you could also burn that without too much extra pollution! Now you need to pack out all your plastic and recycle it. Oh well.

[@georgeborrow4001]

Thank you for taking the time to watch and for your input in the comments. Very much appreciated 👍

[@lawrencemartin1113]

@@georgeborrow4001 You are very welcome. 😊

[@sarumdragon1283]

Also effects Mamod toy steam engines as they use the same fuel

[@carlosspiceyweiner3305]

I remember buying dynamite at the hardware store, things have changed!

[@nw8000]

I bought one of these in the 80s....I still have it its never been used. Guess what I am going to be doing this weekend lads?

[@davidpurll4570]

👌🫡

[@TheWolfsnack]

....making some HMDT?

[@nw8000]

@@TheWolfsnack Or burning my 40 year old stash in protest??

[@sarkybugger5009]

@@nw8000 Handing yourself in for re-education? 😁

[@nw8000]

@@sarkybugger5009 I would bring them to their knees as reeducating me is impossible

[@lundsweden]

My brother brought home a little stove like this around '86 it '87 in Australia (he was in the Army reserve). He said to me casually that the army had told them the fuel could be used as an explosive. I remember using it back then and being amazed at how small and light the "stove" and fuel were.

[@swanseamale47]

The nanny state panicking about a fuel block so dangerous they issued it to their own soldiers. This countries gone bonkers!

[@mikefule330]

Not saying that I agree with the hexamine ban, but in response to your point, they also issue guns, ammunition and bayonets to their own soldiers!

[@keithwortelhock6078]

I used the email address on the Govt website to ask about disposing of my few dozen tablets in a legal fashion. Still no reply.

[@stevewesley3841]

I made a spirt burner out of a sardine tin and use it in my hexamine stove instead of the tablets.

[@sarkybugger5009]

But do sardines burn as well as hexamine? 😁

[@mrfitz96]

Used hexi stoves for 20 years in the military. They were OK, but frankly I don't give a **** one way or the other. We've got more important issues to get our knickers in a twist over.

[@jelkel25]

It's this mode of thinking that is prevalent in the UK that makes it so easy for the government to overreach. It doesn't effect me so I won't bother with it. It's another instance of criminalising the law abiding, at what point does this become a concern?

[@mrfitz96]

@@jelkel25 if you're so emotionally attached to hexi stoves then there's something wrong with your life.

[@mrfitz96]

@@jelkel25 if you're emotionally attached to hexamine stoves then there's something seriously wrong with your life

[@jelkel25]

You're just being glib, if you can't have a real conversation on the matter then don't waste my time (and your own).

[@mrfitz96]

@@jelkel25 I stand by what I say. Anyone who gets bent out of shape because of a freaking camping stove has issues.

[@redensign9975]

It is crazy that that would be a criminal offense. Something that somebody bought legally. Could be packed away with their camping gear somewhere. I'm sure the vast majority of people have no idea that what they have, a small fire cube for their camping stove, is now illegal with some pretty serious penalties.

[@occamraiser]

And there isn't a magistrate in the country who wouldn't accept 'it's been in my garage for ten years and I use it for camping' as 100% mitigation.

[@sarkybugger5009]

@@occamraiser With a penalty of over six months, I think it goes to Crown Court. IANAL.

[@daveshongkongchinachannel]

It's obviously not a legitimate threat if they can sell you a licence to buy it. Just one more way to control, track and trace every aspect of our lives and the ones doing this are the biggest and most criminals of all.

[@daveshongkongchinachannel]

@@TheMcspreader And those same people controlling all of this are responsible for sending weapons around the world, killing thousands.

[@davestagner]

Wow, that’s a shame. I love mine for solo backpacking! Weighs almost nothing, can boil enough water for dinner for one, and the fuel pellets are also great firestarters for campfires.

[@georgeborrow4001]

Thanks for the comment. Stay tuned in because I think I've found an alternative solid fuel tablet.

[@orraman5427]

Who is going to check whether you've got hexamine in your possession and where is the prison space coming from?

[@moorshound3243]

Well said

[@sarkybugger5009]

You'll be made to camp in the exercise yard, without a stove.

[@moorshound3243]

@@sarkybugger5009 they haven't got space for crack dealers or real criminals what makes you think you will actually do bird for a bloody stove?

[@peterselby3130]

Still have my stove with tablets had them for 15 years ever since I came out from the army cadet force. I think it's taken thing's way over top.

[@williamwilson6499]

The fuel is outlawed, not the stove.

[@jaywalker3087]

I've been using them since 77....

[@AshleyBaker-vd7xj]

I’ve been using Hexy stove for 20 years are currently Have over 1000 Heksie blocks and one of the best fuels going

[@ebikecnx7239]

MI5 here, be there soon!

[@moorshound3243]

​@@ebikecnx7239funny man

[@kenh3344]

Any for sale uk. Waxed white boxes wanted .

[@PatGilliland]

I blame the internet. Hexamine is a direct precursor to RDX and the reaction needed is fairly straightforward. Back in the day, you had to be a bit of a nerd and 1) be able to read, and 2) have a basic knowledge of chemistry before you could make things that go boom. Now any nutter can look up a youtube or tiktok video and start blowing themselves (and others) to bits.

[@blackg0076]

If you want to , you can make mustard gas with a few things from the local Wokeworths for less than 20$

[@alexandergutfeldt1144]

And yet gasoline is for sale at every corner and you can buy huge amounts without questions. I don't understand the rationale behind these laws.

[@matthewspencer972]

It has been known for at least ten years that hexamine offers a _shortcut_ to the manufacture of the explosive RDX which, unlike custard powder and coal-dust, allows one to make effective shaped charges and explosive lenses. But it's a bit like making crystal meth from cold-remedies: small-time offenders might do it that way, but large-scale offenders would use a much more cost-effective process that scales up a bit better than using dozens of stove tablets.

[@doonhamer252]

how often has it been proven to have been used, and not just cut and pasted from Dark web material..

[@matthewspencer972]

@@doonhamer252 You don't actually need to go on the dark web to know how. However, although the technique for making RDX from hexamine is very simple, the yield is not very high. They seem to either be banning things in a concentration which might make an effective explosive, OR other things to make an effective poison gas. However, this causes them to ALLOW 30/% nitro-methane (the other 70% will be petrol), which isn't enough to make a high-density explosive, but doesn't really stop anyone making chloropicrin with it. And chloropicrin is not only on the Home Office list, but on the UN's list as well and for pretty good reason. The only thing other than nitro-methane needed to make chloropicrin is, I guarantee you, present in almost every household in a cupboard somewhere. It's as if half the list is written by someone who knows a bit about explosives, and the other half by someone who knows a little bit about poison gas -and they were working in isolation from each other. Letting people have 30% nitro-methane is more dangerous than they think it is because almost everyone already has the other ingredient needed to make chloropicrin, whereas the other ingredient needed to turn hexamine into RDX is difficult to get in sufficiently concentrated form (nothing will happen if it is diluted) and it's also *obviously* dangerous and likely to be reported if someone tries to buy some.

[@theghostofsabertache9049]

The government can blow me, fed up of their ridiculous overreach and I’ll be damned if I’m paying for a licence for anything except to drive. Licensing is simply legality for a price.

[@NotALot-xm6gz]

I might have some in the shed. Luckily for me, my shed isn’t in the U.K.

[@Outdoorshuntingshooting]

our gov cannot prosecute as incompetent, so they ban instead.

[@mikeplatts2603]

I used hundreds of these things during a six year Army career ???? what is this country turning into ????????

[@franktuckwell196]

We used a tobacco tin gotten from dad, filled it with fine sand and drenched that in paraffin or methylated spirits. Worked just as well. When in the scouts and later venture scouts and "Rough Camping", nobody batted an eye lid.

[@robbiegarscadden2311]

Yet they will allow the newly arrived non locals who are here not legally to do whatever they like on the streets without fear of arrest. The double standards in the UK are astounding...

[@snaggitfishing2827]

Except use hexi stoves.

[@jedfra9172]

What do they allow them to do without fear of arrest that you think you would be arrested for?

[@robbiegarscadden2311]

@@jedfra9172 oh I don't know... How about shittjng in the street... yes there are videos on here of them doing that or harrasskng people. How about flying the union Jack....when they can spout support for hamas a terrorist group. How about people being arrested for preaching the bible. The religeon of the country. Shall I continue on how the balance has completely gone in sensible policing?

[@Gazr965]

You can bet a lot of our Asian miscreants have stockpiles of fireworks waiting to be repurposed/repackaged. Gaz UK

[@iceman7975]

Utter Nanny state. Everything and anything can be dangerous ,or be used as a weapon in the wrong hands.

[@johnmunro4952]

Used these in the cadets in the 80s

[@Subgunman]

Still use my Esbit stove. I have found fire lighters for lighting fireplaces quite efficient at heating fuel. Don’t know what they are made of but they do have a slight petroleum odor to them and last about as long as hexamine. Don’t live in the UK but I think those running the government there need to be replaced. It appears that they think they are better than the common man and will do anything to protect their arses making every little thing illegal.

[@Pyjamarama11]

Of course there's a register and a fee Because terrorism adheres to registers and fees 😂 Nanny state

[@grandpahickory613]

i use canned heat on my survival stove that i purchased on amazon mate !!!! works great for me ! cheers !

[@bigcolappleton]

As recruits we had to use these in the army, cook ok but used to turn the bottoms of your mess tins black !!!! As soon as we became real soldiers we all went out and bought gas stoves !!!

[@eadlondon-nm2uy]

Is this something else that we can thank the r..l..gion of "p34ce" for? Who gas been making explosives with this? How bloody annoying all these bans are!

[@peterburgess5974]

FYI: Something I encourage is ground protection under any fire like this, to avoid long term damage to flora and pedology. Less important in this situation, but certainly within lake shore settings etc.....Ad altiora!

[@ElectroRiderSN]

Before going on your walk, make a thermos flask of tea or coffee. It will stay hot for eight hours...and take up much less room in your rucksack. Modern thermos flasks are unbreakable.

[@CommanderStarblaster]

I have had a couple of these stoves for decades (issued by the army). Used them when camping. I still have them in a garage. Explosive? B.S.! Government over-reach? You bet.

[@iainb1577]

This is news to me. I personally stopped using the stuff about 20 years ago, in favour of an alcohol stove setup with wood as an alternative fuel, but bloody hell. Are they going to ban sugar and flour next?

[@TobiasThede]

Looks like my esbit german stoves.did this stove in this Video uses the same tablets?

[@alganhar1]

Erm, the stove is not banned, Hexamine fuel blocks are. You can get non hexamine blocks for the stoves quite easily these days, indeed several solid firelighters on the market make good substitutes and have done for years.

[@kfsrmn]

I am in the USA but am curious. Is it the just the fuel or is the stove included. I have a few of the stoves and don't use hex fuel. A 2oz round tin with carbon felt or ceramic felt and denatured alcohol work great in them.

[@stickyweasel8837]

Just the fuel blocks.

[@Sammy1234568910]

It is ridiculous that the EU regulations recognise that it is impractical to operate a licence system for hexamine given that its a domestic fuel rather than an industrial one (which is why we didn't need one before), but the UK law which is supposed to replace EU red tape doesn't! I have used hexi in the past both for camping and in model steam engines (some of which are designed to burn solid fuel tablets and wont easily burn gels) and to that end I know Mamod (who have built and sold live steam models for a century) have petitioned parliament on the matter. I would like to think that this is more an oversight by the government when replacing EU legislation rather than a deliberate ban, however I fear not enough noise is being made to draw attention to the matter.

[@petertaylor3150]

Is anyone really that bothered by banning hexi blocks? There are far better stoves out there. Trangia stoves are head and shoulders above these in my opinion if you are looking for something simple and reliable.

[@georgeborrow4001]

I like trangia too and there are other soiled fuel tablets out there. But I think there is a lot more feelings of nostalgia with the hexi stove. Thanks for watching.

[@petertaylor3150]

@@georgeborrow4001 Yeah I get that, I used them when I was in cadets as a teen ager. To be fair they were good for us at the time, some of us had our own stoves but many couldn't be trusted with gas canisters or would likely have meths leak all over their kit! Solid fuel stoves are fairly idiot proof.

[@ronprichard6145]

It used to be said that, properly used, hexamine could cut a railway line. I had no idea if that was true but this outlawing lends credence to the rumour.

[@pnyarrow]

Hi. The blocks give off cyanide fumes when used therefeore it is not really a good idea to use 'hexi' although they have been used for years. The BCB gel fuelled stove is a good alternative. Stay safe. ATB.

[@Subgunman]

Have used Gelled fuel many years ago in camping, consider it a form of "safe " napalm. Instead of gelling gasoline they are gelling methanol which is a toxic form of alcohol used in the paint industry or your standard gasoline dryer for your fuel tank. It does not have the high BTU output that hexamine has and takes forever to boil a pint of water. It is primarily designed for food warmers in the restaurant business used in buffet tables where electricity is not available.

[@archstanton_live]

@@Subgunman Conflating methanol gel fuel with Napalm is really not appropriate. One is designed to be burned in enclosed spaces with high liability obligations and the other is much more flammable, designed to kill and destroy in times of war. Napalm's components and products also include a much higher ratio of carcinogens. Jello is edible Napalm.

[@Subgunman]

@@archstanton_live well aware of all of that. It was meant to be an analogy as to 2 gelled fuel sources. Sterno as it is called in the USA does not have the BTU output needed to boil a pint of water in a reasonable amount of time. Quite familiar with napalm from my military days even though it had not been used extensively since Viet Nam. One might as well get burned by a Willy Pete if your going to get burned by napalm.

[@archstanton_live]

@@Subgunman I see that my OP has disappeared. I did not delete it. I suspect that I edited it too many times(?) In any case when you use a term like Napalm with all its connotations inappropriately it loses its relevance. Kind of like conflating Napalm with Jello.

[@moorshound3243]

Bcb fire dragon is rubbish compared to hexi. Fumes who cares about fumes?

[@Rider3322]

I have the stove, never used those burners with it though. Just to clarify the stove itself is ok to use but it's just those particular fire blocks you can't use?

[@iffracem]

Used to use hexamine tablets in the army for 21 years. Why anyone would want to use them (as a heating fuel source) by choice is beyond me. They turned everything placed on the stove black, a pain to clean. If you touched any part of the "soot" your hands went black, and anything you touched after went black as well. Before the weekend campers get all bent out of shape about "hygiene". You more often than not don't have the time, or carry enough water on you to effectively wash your hands and scrub your blackened gear while needing to pack up and go ASAP. You can replace the hexamine tablet with any fire starter tablet if you really need to use the stove..

[@trooperwolfie]

First they came for the hexamine....and i did nothing, for i dont use hexamine....then they came for the meths....and i did nothing, for i dont use meths....then they came for the iso butane/propane gas....and i did nothing for i do not use gas...then they came for the bio ethanol...and me!....and there was no one left to help me....

[@markunger1098]

Looks like an excuse to squeeze forty quid out of campers

[@occamraiser]

If that is what it looks like to you you need to look harder.

[@markunger1098]

@@occamraiser the license, if you apply and get it, is forty quid. No need to look harder than that. These things are standard military issue and have been available in camping stores for decades and now you have to have a license or face legal action?

[@doonhamer252]

The licence is BS ,just a tax grab ... bad guys don't buy licences .. I'm a 100% in on protecting the citizens , but this seems like a shot in the Dark..web.. Why not simply have to show id to approved seller and sign for .. limit quantity ..Why all the bureaucracy for something that make little to difference to the nations security .. There are pallets of this stuff all over, yet worry about some camper having a small quantity..

[@alganhar1]

@@markunger1098 No, you do not, you need said licence to use HEXAMINE FUEL BLOCKS. You know non Hexamine fuel blocks have been available for block stoves literally for decades? I have not used Hexamine blocks in my block stove for over twenty years because I have never really liked the stuff. So stop making a mountain out of a molehill. Alternatives to Hexi blocks have been available for decades and are easy to obtain, and in a pinch any wax style solid firelighter will do an acceptable job as a fuel block. Zero licence required. FFS, use your common sense!

[@markunger1098]

@@alganhar1 the comment was that applying a tax to hexamine blocks looks like what I said: an excuse to squeeze forty quid from the consumer to the taxman. And yeah, I do know that fire lighters work for these things as well. Also, if there are other non hexi solutions and these have been around for ages then why are hexi blocks even a thing anymore if they’re so dangerous? P.s. asking a question and making a comment isn’t making a mountain out of a molehill.

[@ErnieTarbox]

Why can’t you use them,what if any is the logic behind the band?

[@seanfuller2152]

You can still buy this type of stove, just the fuel blocks have changed. Godora multipurpose firelighters is 1 make available

[@ElwynTaylor]

Yes I still use a hexmin cooker for emergencies when I am camping and hiking

[@stephenkirsuphumble3960]

Go to survival aids store fuel and stoves are still available. Notes underneath say only available to UK BASED CUSTOMERS. Hope this helps🤙

[@alganhar1]

Because it is the Hexamine thats banned, not the bloody stoves. You have been able to get hold of non Hexamine fuel blocks for them for decades now.

[@sarkybugger5009]

Right, I'm off to hand myself in at the local nick. I have a hexi stove in the car, and another in my rucksack. Are matches still legal? I noticed, (after I bought them) that Swan Vestas matches aren't 'strike anywhere' any more.

[@alganhar1]

Use the common sense you were born with. Hexamine is banned. The stoves are not. You have been able to get non Hexamine fuel blocks for them for decades. Hell in a pinch most wax type solid firelighters make a perfectly good substitute for Hexamine blocks.

[@sarkybugger5009]

@@alganhar1 They are both BNIB British army stoves, with fuel blocks, and I'll be buggered if I'm going to dispose of them just because they moved the goalposts ten years after I kicked the ball. They were bought for emergency use only, and are still sealed. I'll take my chances in front of a judge and jury.

[@RossPotts]

Hexamine stoves were my first foray into cooking in the woods. I love those things!

[@toter-drache]

Anything Useful or Fun, That have been around since our childhoods, are slowly but surely being either just plain banned from manufacture or outright outlawed. It's not just over there across the pond, but here in the states as well. Gotta love when our governments feel the need to protect us from ourselves! 🙄

[@malcolmwatson9032]

Used to be standard Army issue. And apart from our own dinners, we never managed to burn down anything.

[@jamesthomas747]

Are fire lighters not made from the same material? Use these instead of hexy blocks.

[@lanedexter6303]

This is insane! But they disarmed their populace, so they can do anything to them.

[@Skidderoperator]

Submit to the Oligarchy

[@johnsmyth2514]

So far.

[@alganhar1]

No, 'they' did not. I have an FAC and legally own firearms in the UK. Firearms are regulated, but it is not illegal to own them. What people like you fail to understand is that in the UK we deem our VOTE as the primary weapon against Government, not guns held by a bunch of clueless Civ's. If you think gun toting civilians are what really deters politicians from making bad policies then I have a few Bridges to sell you.....

[@bermudarailway]

Under certain conditions flour can be made to explode are they going to ban bread?

[@CAMSLAYER13]

You can make rdx with hexamine fairly easily. Though the precursors to hexamine aren't exactly regulated. Other solid fuels are avaliable

[@margiestevens2384]

I don’t have a hexi stove…grew up using sterno however, I did notice that 12% hydrogen peroxide is on there and I use that around the house all the time. I buy it in the gallon bottle and then dilute to the strength of whatever it is I need it to do. From cleaning to safely killing the most obnoxious little black (not really a fruit fly, but kinda is) pests. Seriously, I wouldn’t let a teenager use it, but frankly since I can spray it on the soil around the plants and know that the sun will convert it to water in a couple of hours🤷🏼‍♀️

[@petem68]

Right, Amazon, here I come, with a bulk order of hexamin blocks. 🤣

[@mazadan]

I use green dragon gel on my hexi stove which i was issued in 1975 never like the hexi tabs. And there are always work arounds

[@alganhar1]

There are plenty of non Hexi fuel blocks available, as well as the gels you mention. Hell in a pinch any wax style solid firelighter works well enough as a fuel block.

[@Goodkiwibloke]

In NZ, we call it "nanny state"

[@georgeborrow4001]

Thanks for watching

[@stefflus08]

The government is only reacting to the fears of your public. I think grown, sane people's access to all substances is worth the risk. Access to precursors isn't where we are going wrong when someone harms others.