Why Bill Russell Was BETTER THAN Wilt Chamberlain!

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[@rustybuckets]

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[@amirruffin8219]

I’m unsubscribing and never watching your vids no more you just said bill is better than wilt your canceled

[@grub1175]

I love your channel but I love wilt to much to not call you a fourhead

[@kay9ineyt171]

Amir Ruffin I’m pretty sure if you can’t listen to someone’s opinion then he doesn’t want you as a sub any ways

[@amirruffin8219]

Michael Jordan he had 13 allstars and he had no comp he is the most underrated player of all time

[@stephenasunnamedsource2943]

Rusty was trying to say it nicely but ill give you guys the raw version. When he says people were making the HOF "bc they were pioneers" hes talking about players like K.C. Jones. He made the Hall of Fame averaging 7 points 3.5 rebounds and 4 assist. He has no individual accolades at all but since he was on 6 championship teams with Bill Russell and he won 6 rings in his 7 year career hes a Hall of Famer.

[@samwescoat5750]

“Hot take: RACISM BAD” Damn, Rusty is making headlines with his controversy today

[@rustybuckets]

I hope I don't get canceled for this

[@youtubeburr]

Rusty Buckets too late

[@tmac731]

I can’t believe Wilt A BLACK MAN wanted to date WHITE WOMEN in the fucking 60s. I guess he think since I’m 7’1 300lbs in the NBA. I can’t get lynched/hanged

[@mrorangejules1035]

I hate when people use the hall of fame argument. So many of the Celtics back in the day would not have been hall of famers if they didn't play alongside Bill Russell. That's the effect he had on his team

[@dusk6159]

It was an hall of famer stack of doom but it doesn't stop just at the HOF (you would be right in fact, just like Wilt did for some of his teams and many other players did respectively, nothing new or even that much relevant, considering HOFers are influential, historical etc too not only for how good they were or at least in their eras), the meaningful point is that obviously those were all great, good and functional role players to stars; even more/key than that and individual strenght, it was a true, consistent, deep and complete team, aside being always together and being just one Celtics squad instead of the Warriors, 76ers and Lakers, round after round finding good or bad pieces or moments (for Wilt himself included of course, it took a toll on him too it wasn't just the things around him going bad for that reason, he also had moments of going bad or he too had to adjust to teams, situations and stuff like everyone else with him). It's not just the multiple hall of fame stack and RED AUERBACH stacked on top, even Cousy, Hondo Havlicek, Sam Jones, KC Jones, Heinsohn alone (''alone'') would suffice plenty as immense help and game-breaking squad, a superteam better in proportion than the Warriors ones, if Wilt or Kareem landed into that it would be some doom scenario.

[@casualfandestroyer2503]

Dusk TheHunter Celtics won nothing till Russell came along do your home work

[@TheRimasyele]

@@dusk6159 I agree with this and I do believe Wilt is the far superior player however, when Bill Russell retired the celtics lost and when he came back they won again. Rusty Buckets is insane he didn't add anywhere near enough context to his argument as he should have.

[@casualfandestroyer2503]

Dusk TheHunter red said he never could’ve coached wilt , try again

[@dusk6159]

@@TheRimasyele Absolutely, though if we then talk about his retirement before the 70s the great Hondo Havlicek brought together with the teams and organization (great all-time Red Auerbach) two more titles and transitioned them nicely to the 80s.

[@wilt7505]

I'm shocked you didnt mention the 1969 nba finals where Wilt had the better team with West and Baylor and still lost in 7 to a old celtics team with one player in his prime Havlicek 😂😂😂 My name has wilt in it, I love Chamberlain but damn how tf the Lakers lose that year

[@Discipleofthelordandjesus]

I watched the film but Sam Jones was the X factor from what I saw. They had no answer with him and Havlicek playing side to side Elgin couldn’t check either one

[@kobev8212]

And how he blew a 3-1 lead to russell in 1968

[@joelman1989]

Back then, defense was much more impactful than offense and Russell and his couches understood this. He played to win. Wilts scoring actually made his teams worse. Also Bill was focused on basketball but also found time to be a pretty underrated activist.

[@havefaithinjesuschristjesu1359]

See people dumb like you don’t understand that Wilt chamberlain was a better defender than bill Russell

[@daddyphantom8658]

Bill is the Duncan of the 60’s

[@KISS_MY_CONVERSE]

bill's game is way too limited offensively to be duncan. Duncan is more like Kareem of his era. Russell is the ben wallace of his era.

[@nickjayne9994]

And Wilt is the Shaq of the 60's. It's as perfect a cross-era comparison as you will find.

[@Marquito4725]

@@KISS_MY_CONVERSE he says this because bill is a more fundamental player but is underated because he didn't put up as many points as wilt and numbers or wasn't flashy like Duncan isn't.

[@KISS_MY_CONVERSE]

@@nickjayne9994 shaq was fat un agile with no stamina. That's a insult to wilt. lol Plus shaq is not even that strong. One of the phoenix suns trainers were actuallly disappointed by how weak his core strength was when he was with the suns. And said Charles Barkley had a stronger core.

[@johnjackson9819]

@@nickjayne9994 Wilt is nothing like Shaq. Shaq relied almost exclusively on his strength whereas Wilt was a lot more skilled and On Defense, Wilt>> Shaq.

[@dhm9087]

Fun fact Bill Russell was drafted by the Hawks and then got traded to the celtics

[@wazzup233]

And imagine if the Hawks didn't traded away Bill Russel then they'll got many NBA Finals Championship & the Hawks would stay in St. Louis forever instead of relocating to Atlanta.

[@ethanennis8]

Eric Dannug Tbh he would’ve probably gotten killed by the racists in St Louis

[@kingad8869]

@@ethanennis8 Boston's just as racist.

[@JK-rd9dj]

Even at the time the celtics were finessing teams smh

[@rovicvelasco3368]

That ain't fun for the hawks : (

[@ArshdeepSingh-yl5fr]

Marc Gasol vs Cousins is a similar comparison to Russell vs Wilt imo, Cousins like Wilt put up bigger numbers and was more talented then Gasol, but Gasol was better defensively, more of a team player, and won more like Russell

[@Terror832]

I always thought of it like this Wilt was like LeBron 60s Celtics were like the Warriors No matter how good LeBron did he almost always lost to them because the better team wins 90% of the time

[@ArshdeepSingh-yl5fr]

thelegendsqb1 let’s not act like Wilt didn’t have a great team, it wasn’t like Lebron one man show on the 2018 cavs

[@ArshdeepSingh-yl5fr]

Mr Mime nah Malone is definitely better then Rodman that’s not a debate imo

[@theredguy92]

This is literally what I was thinking while watching the vid!

[@thomaslequesne5475]

@@ArshdeepSingh-yl5fr I think the comparison still stands. It was like LeBron with Kyrie and Love, great help but not enough to beat the competition. Also, how great Wilt's teammates were individually doesn't tell the full story. The team changed all the time, coaching was horrendous most of the time, and the fit wasn't as good as Russell's Celtics.

[@ballsbyJin]

Wilt should've had a strict coach like Popovich or Phil Jackson to keep him in line

[@TheRimasyele]

These by Bill Russell definitely was not better than will Chamberlain the May Whitney than dunk the basketball so as not to hurt of a players. Not only that, the asked the man to stop scoring so what does he do? This man decides to lead the league in assists for 3 straight years. They were in the finals in the coach benched him in they lost what Chamberlain is severely Underrated.

[@juliothom2408]

S. M.A., Wilt was a notoriously selfish player that genuinely thought that the best for his team was what was best for Wilt. Bill was the most skilled and best player on his team, but he let others do what they did best and he morphed his game to fit the players. Read Second Wind, Bill’s book. Everyone on that team had a role. Everyone was expected to do their job, and Bill filled in gaps. Bill adjusted to his team, Wilt made you adjust to him. Wilt was dealt twice. Russell was never, ever considered to be dealt. That means something. To @JL Cubing’s point, Wilt’s 2 rings were when he had a great coach that stood up to him and made him play less selfishly. If Wilt has played in 67 his entire career, he’d have won more titles and been the GOAT.

[@Amick44]

@@juliothom2408 that's for sure. Auerbach probably never even had a bad dream about trading Russell. Though the 2nd time Wilt was traded (Philly to L.A.) it was primarily he forcing the deal. Much like when Milwaukee traded Kareem to the Lakers (again).

[@ballsbyJin]

@@juliothom2408 lmao thats what i'm saying

[@casualfandestroyer2503]

Auerbach said he never could’ve coached wilt and Phil says Russ is the goat himself

[@seanmolloy2172]

2 things. Wilt didn't go back to scoring after 67 chip. He become obsessed with assists, and bitched out teammates if they missed shots. And the Celtics didn't build around Russell. They knew they didn't have to. Because they knew Russell would adjust his game to whatever the team needed. With cousey he was the rebounder, defender, lob threat. Once cooz retired he become an almost point centre. Best teammate ever. Chamberlain was a better player. But Russell gave his team a better chance of winning because of team chemistry.

[@du2thurl42]

Chamberlain wasn’t the better player

[@seanmolloy2172]

@@du2thurl42 I think you missed my point. There is a lot of players better then Russell as far as skills or 1 on 1 ability. But I would take Russell 1st in an all-time draft because of the intangibles.

[@rayallensjumper]

Imagine Wilt with a Bill work ethic...

[@CrumbsLamond]

Imagine Shaq with a Kobe work ethic

[@Christian-16]

That would be fucking scary

[@Terror832]

Imagine LeBron going 9/9 in the Finals Imagine Shaq with Steph Curry range Imagine if Len Bias didn’t do blow

[@ttiop]

Jaon Luttrell wilt had more potential than shaq

[@TheKyubiisaan]

He wasn’t just lazy he was getting triple teamed and hit nightly

[@calvin1559]

Thankyou for putting out these videos. I’m going through some tuff shit and your videos really help distract me.

[@StephonMaple]

Unpopular opinion: bill russell had the first mamba mentality

[@JohnSmith32643]

Bill wanted to win so bad he often threw up before games. Bill was definitely the first basketball player who had the Jordan/Mamba mentality

[@ht-sd4je]

@@JohnSmith32643 facts the only reason people don't talk about it as much is because he played in the 60s

[@KiddsWorldEntertainment]

True, it’s pretty well known that Wilt was the nicest of the two

[@juliothom2408]

Lil Shawn, No. Jordan and Kobe didn’t have Bill’s mentality. Bill was team first from Day 1. They developed it later, but Bill had it from Day 1 till he hung it up.

[@juliothom2408]

Lil Shawn, No. Jordan and Kobe didn’t have Bill’s mentality. Bill was team first from Day 1. They developed it later, but Bill had it from Day 1 till he hung it up.

[@TV-wu5py]

I think russell legitimately could have averaged 25+ points a game, but since he had such a loaded team and no ego he really just spent his effort on defense and transition play. I think he was an amazing athlete with an unusually high basketball iq for the 1960s, and there is archival footage out there of Bill literally jumping over a player.

[@grantmartin4773]

Russel barely could score 18 a game on just over 40 percent from the field. And he never took jumpers like wilt. Cmon, Bill scored the most he could.

[@casualfandestroyer2503]

@@grantmartin4773 Looking back, Wilt had five chances to knock Near ready to retire bill Russell out of the playoffs in ‘68 (3-1 lead ) and ‘69 (3-2 lead ) with a superior team-including two game 7s at home-and only needed to submit one monster performance to pull it off.Each time, he couldn’t do it .Each time , Russell’s inferior team prevailed.Each time wilt whines about it afterward. If Jerry west was MR clutch , than wilt was MR crutch

[@grantmartin4773]

@@casualfandestroyer2503 69 was an injury in game 7, and 68 I do put on wilt.

[@coreythomas3633]

​@@grantmartin4773MAN HAD A 30 40 GAME IN THE PLAYOFFS STOP IT

[@grantmartin4773]

@@coreythomas3633 one time

[@CH-uy7jq]

wilt was a guy for who a lot of his career valued stats over winning

[@-chession-155]

Bill Russell is one of my favourite players of all time and I’m 18 I recommend u watch the documentary on KZbin called Russell’s house it opened my eyes to how good this man was

[@greatdane1991]

I like wilt better but I respect Bills work ethic and leadership.

[@casualfandestroyer2503]

@@greatdane1991 Don’t ever put wilt in the same sentence as lbj or Bill Russell they’re two of only four players in nba history with atleast 4 rings and atleast 4 titles , the other two are MJ and Kareem that is why those 4 legendary winners are Mount Rushmore and should be top 4 on anyone’s list in any order you like also all of them have finals series with 23 or more PPG in a finals win atleast twice wilt only averaged 18 PPG during his finals career

[@greatdane1991]

@@casualfandestroyer2503 Do you want to put disrespect on my opinion or wilt?

[@y2shuproblem]

Neglected fact about Bill Russell and the Celtics was that they weren't winning championships despite winning multiple games. They needed that defensive anchor in Bill Russell and the asking price were the Ice Capades, Ed McCauley, and Cliff Hagan. That was the price for the man that was responsible for the 11 championship banners hanging in Boston.

[@havlicekstoletheball]

If Wilt played his whole career like he played in '67 he would be the undisputed GOAT and Russell wouldn't be top ten

[@cevest_blirobo7308]

Why would Wilt’s unselfishness kick Russell out of the top ten? No sense. If Shaq played his whole career like 2001, he would be the undisputed GOAT and Kobe/Duncan wouldn’t be top fifteen.

[@eurofam7475]

Cevest_Blirobo Thank u. If anything, that is Wilt’s fault for letting it happen

[@havlicekstoletheball]

@@cevest_blirobo7308 My logic with my comment is that if Wilt played his career like '67 then he would've beaten Russell in the playoffs and since his teams would've also had more regular season wins which means Russell now has at most 2-3 MVPs instead of five. Russell's pure volume of rings and his five MVPS are the main reasons he is ranked so high. Would you put a Russell with 5 rings and 3 MVPS(with underwhelming stats) over guys like Hakeem, Shaq, Kobe etc?

[@havlicekstoletheball]

@@cevest_blirobo7308 Also the Shaq comparison isn't accurate since Wilt's issues were purely about attitude and Shaq didn't play every year like 01 because of physical attributes like weight/strength. Wilt could've easily played every year like 67 if he wanted to. Same can't be said for Shaq.

[@cevest_blirobo7308]

HAVLICEK STOLE THE BALL Well, that’s more rings and MVPs than Olajuwon and Shaq, more MVPs with the same amounts of rings as Kobe, plus Russell would most likely have 4 FMVPs (at least 3) in those championships meaning he’d beat all of them in FMVPs. Yeah, I still would.

[@wazzup233]

Imagine if social media was started in the 1960s then the Wilt-Russel debate would be on 🔥

[@billj4525]

Hell yeah it would. There would all kind of idiots trashing one somehow with stupidity and saying how the other one is so much better.

[@GentryUga]

Love the content Rusty! I’ve been watching non stop for the past 2 months. Keep up the great work.

[@pedrosernagiotto2577]

Sure, I don't really think it's arguable. Talent wise, sure, you could say Wilt is better. But winning it's what divide them, Russel was a better leader, a better example for his teammates and just a better winner overall.

[@StupakSH]

It's like comparing modern Carmelo Anthony (he played some power forward) to Tim Duncan in terms of their psychology and desire to play the game. Both could "dominate" in their own ways, but we all know how that ended.

[@Kh1man]

diavolo

[@henryrutherford-braun9859]

Bill Russell was busy being a civil rights icon and winning 11 championships while wilt was trashing his teammates and sleeping with every woman he saw, nuff said

[@rayallensjumper]

Henry Rutherford-Braun thats a myth that he slept with 10k women

[@pumpkineer_3047]

How does that make bill better tho that has nothing to do with basketball

[@thundxrx918]

Well said.

[@henryrutherford-braun9859]

@@pumpkineer_3047 It shows their mentality, Bill was committed to the game and bettering peoples lived while wilt was more interested in being a hollywood movie star

[@pumpkineer_3047]

Henry Rutherford-Braun that doesn’t prove skill in any way

[@mapthemultiverse]

I’ve been waiting for this.

[@MartinNanik]

I have heard "drop the like/massive difference" part so many times that I'm dropping it by the time the video starts! Keep the good work Rusty!

[@luckilew]

Stats dont make you the GOAT. Winning does.

[@thegeneral988]

Thankyou

[@peterknaus9440]

absolute BS.

[@casualfandestroyer2503]

@@peterknaus9440 Looking back, Wilt had five chances to knock Near ready to retire bill Russell out of the playoffs in ‘68 (3-1 lead ) and ‘69 (2-0 lead turned into 3-2 lead before being blown ) with a superior team-including two game 7s at home-and only needed to submit one monster performance to pull it off.Each time, he couldn’t do it .Each time , Russell’s inferior team prevailed.Each time wilt whines about it afterward. If Jerry west was MR clutch , than wilt was MR crutch

[@peterknaus9440]

If winning makes you the goal why is bill not in the Konversation?

[@luckilew]

@@peterknaus9440 I have Bill number 1. The media is the one who told us that Bill couldn't be all that great so these younger players can have something to strive for.

[@d34n_]

I like how people try to say that Bill Russell winning 11 championships isn't that impressive because of the era. It's not like he got 4 championships in 13 years in that era, he got 11 in 13 years. What more could you ask of him?

[@Amick44]

No kidding. And yet some still try to discredit Bill.

[@Amick44]

@Bill Pap. Yeah, more teams making the playoffs as teams are added.

[@d34n_]

@Bill Pap. Oh yeah I don't have Bill as the goat, but I was trying to say that 11 rings is impressive in any era

[@DTS_I]

Right lol. He did it in the Wilt Chamberlain era too which makes it even more impressive.

[@arieltheordore3610]

Wilt was a stat padder while Russell sacrificed stats for rings

[@Terror832]

Most disrespected NBA players of all time Bill Russell Tim Duncan Scottie Pippen Anyone else?

[@burneraccount4576]

Hakeem

[@rustybuckets]

Scottie isn't disrespected

[@isaaclo1825]

Feel like curry is dissed by a lot of people, but they still put him as a top 15 player of all time

[@isaaclo1825]

Rusty Buckets people say he was carried, idk

[@evanmcgowan3451]

Isaac Lo he was tho he played with the best player of all time

[@Nozirev]

Been waiting on this

[@josem6184]

Bro we commented the same thing at just about the same time

[@mbuzi5132]

I’d rather have 11 rings then have the greatest personal stats

[@brendankane4186]

Another thing to point out is that despite being on this stacked team Russell won 5 MVPs. Over Wilts 50 season and Robertson's triple double. If his team was so much better than everyone else's, wouldn't they have given it to something who had gaudier stats? Or maybe people in the early days weren't idiots who thought just cause you have a great team you can't be great yourself 🤔?

[@samwescoat5750]

Don’t forget the MVP was a player vote back then

[@dravendfr]

Wilt’s on court presence can’t be overstated, when the stars aligned in ‘67 with coach, team, and strategy, it showed in a big way. Bill had intangibles that must be addressed when we talk about his overall greatness and why he has eleven rings. The psyche out master went to ten game 7’s and won them all, it speaks to the level of competition, the Celtics’ ability to overcome, and Bill’s leadership. Bill having more help is true, but it is true because Russell worked with his teammates to make them better in practice and facilitated their best abilities during games. What people must understand is that there were two mentalities during the 60’s and they last today in some players, but we all know how it goes. If any ONE player was going to dismantle the team game of basketball it was Wilt Chamberlain, but he didn’t, came close, but after Bill lost sleep over it, he figured it out and got 11 rings. I want to see the team where Bill is coaching Wilt.

[@nerdymidwesterner3662]

YES! The best kind of talk is the controversial talk Edit: Don't like this comment, it has 69 likes

[@samwescoat5750]

Socialism is terrible

[@kobethiago]

@@samwescoat5750 It is

[@buymeinandoutyt9693]

oi if you want controbersial i think bill russell is the goat

[@nerdymidwesterner3662]

@@samwescoat5750 Communism is underrated

[@nerdymidwesterner3662]

@@buymeinandoutyt9693 I disagree, but he does have a good case

[@emiliotemoche8887]

The objective of the game is winning chips, i dont know why people forget that

[@TheRimasyele]

Because you have something like kind text such as the fact that Bill Russell plate with so many hall-of-famer is while will Chamberlain was dribbling through different coaches throughout his entire career. The only time he did win was when there was a coaching consistency.

[@louisjames7875]

Some pg role players have more chips than harden and Westbrook they aren’t better 😂

[@Chillboyhaad]

Wandile Mtambo I see you’re still blind to the fact that Lebron and Wilt are exactly the same. You can blame 2015, 2017, and 2018 on Lebron.

[@Chillboyhaad]

Wandile Mtambo We’re the 2017 Cavs not one of the most talented teams of this era? Go watch Lebron’s defense in those finals and come back to me. Bad defense is a huge indicator of someone either playing for stats or not trusting his teammates. Lebron said “i’m averaging a triple double i think i’m doing good” when he was down 2-0 to the Warriors in 2017. He was stat padding in each of those Finals and played horrid defense. He choked in Game 4 in 2015 which would’ve gave the Cavs a 3-1 lead and changed the whole series. He refused to guard KD in 2017 and 2018, and in 2018 he quit in overtime of Game 1 after the JR blunder. You can tell the rest of the 2018 Finals he didn’t have the same energy and aggression he had in Game 1.

[@emiliotemoche8887]

Jihad Muhammad because anyone who would have been in lebron situation (except mj) would have won less or at most the same amount of rings

[@josem6184]

Was waiting for this

[@seananthony7494]

Bill Russell is what you get when you combine Duncan’s leadership and IQ with Jordan’s tenacity and winning mentality.

[@thespiralgoeson]

Thank you for making this video. I agree 100%. I belived the "Russell had more help" narrative until just a few years ago when I read Bill Simmons' book. Now, we all know that Simmons is a mega Celtics fan so he's not unbiased, but the objective information in the book is overwhelming. Simmons demonstrates conclusively that Wilt's supporting casts throughout his prime were actually very good. The most incredible bit of information though is the quotes from the other players of the day. They are absolutely jaw-dropping in how much the players around the league revered Russell and did not respect Wilt. It was universally known that Wilt was obsessed with his stats and didn't care that much about winning. Russell on the other hand was obsessed with winning, and couldn't care less about his stats. Two facts about what other players thought of Wilt-vs-Russell. First fact, In the early 60s, it was the players who voted on the MVP. In 1962, Wilt averaged 50 and Oscar averaged a triple double in the same season. Who was MVP? Bill Russell. Second fact- Wilt was traded twice in his career for pennies on the dollar because the Sixers and the Warriors couldn't wait to get rid of them. In 1965, the Lakers' owner had a chance to buy Wilt's contract. The Lakers' players took a vote on whether or not they wanted Wilt on the team. They voted 9-2 AGAINST. The Celtics never in a million years would have traded Russell, and if any team could have added Russell without giving up anything, you know the vote would have been a unanimous yes. This quote from Wilt himself just blew my mind. "In a way, I like it better when we lose. It's over, and I can look forward to the next game. If we win, it builds up the tension and I start worrying about the next game." Does that sound like a winner? Could you imagine Bill Russell ever saying something like that? Could you imagine ANY player saying something like that today?

[@capitanfuturo594]

bla bla bla bla Wilt Chamberlain was better than Russell.

[@oldeskoolnewsreels9927]

Simmons is FOS. Years Best Celtics Players played on Celtics Russell: 13/13 years with Celtics 11 rings Cousy: 13/13 *** MVP(1) AS(13) All-NBA(12) HOF 6 rings Havkicek: 16/16 AS(13) All.NBA(11) HOF 8 rings Sam Jones: 12/12 AS(5) All-NBA(3) HOF 10 rings Sharman: 10/11 AS(8) All-NBA(7) HOF 4 rings Heinsohn: 9/9 AS(6) All-NBA(4) HOF 8 rings Howell:4/12 AS(6) All-NBA(1) HOF 2 rings KC Jones:9/9 HOF 8 rings Ramsey:9/9 HOF 7 rings *** Cousy came out of retirement like 7 years after he retired for a few games with Cincy So, 2 MVP's, 6 All NBA players and 5 Top 75 players all played their whole careers together. Howell was the only one who didn't play his whole career witht them. Add the best coach and GM ever, and what do you have? A dynasty.`

[@michaelmarrs1867]

Honestly this conversation is entirely between talent and value. Though wilt had all the talent in the world, he never brought the level of value that Russell brought to the Celtics

[@passportbrother]

What a well made and well said video. Applause bro. You definitely caused me to entertain an opposing opinion. I do believe Wilt is better (and greater) but your points are super valid.

[@the757general2]

Bill Russell is the all-time leader in defensive win shares by a significant margin. If the Defensive Player of the Year award existed back then he was most definitely be the all-time leader. He has a legit argument for best defensive player ever.

[@matthewweiss8579]

Yes exactly, I don’t want to hear it. Bill was a team player and a great leader of men. He lead by example and always best Wilt by forcing him to score and not let wilt get his teammates involved. I don’t want any Bill hate!

[@Amick44]

Matt, you won't hear any from Bill's teammates. If anyone wants further evidence, research what Cousy, the Jones guards, Havlicek, Heinsohn, coach Auerbach said about him. Even Wilt said (of Russell) "I might take him. I may have taken away from what Havlicek did, what Sam jones did."

[@matthewweiss8579]

s1 bob cousy won mvp because America was racist and Bob Cousy was the fan favorite of the white people who watched during that time. Wilt averaged 50 and 25, oscar averaged a triple double. And guess who won the mvp that year, Bill russell!

[@casualfandestroyer2503]

s1 no it was spurs vs heat wilt had 2 top 5 players at the same time and many HOF Paul arizin Hal Greer Chet Walker billy Cunningham guy Rodgers Nate Thurmond all either 20+ PPG scorers or 10+ reb a game defenders oh and happy Hairston

[@casualfandestroyer2503]

s1 players voted for MVP back than that’s why Russell won 4 mvp during wilts prime and 5 MVPS totals

[@casualfandestroyer2503]

In playoff meetings between Russell and Chamberlain, Wilt's scoring went down each time Wilt = 37.6 ppg in 1959/60 season Wilt = 30.5 ppg vs Russell in 1960 EDF (- 7.1 ppg) Wilt = 50.4 ppg in 1961/62 season Wilt = 33.6 ppg vs Russell in 1962 EDF (- 16.8 ppg) Wilt = 36.9 ppg in 1963/64 season Wilt = 29.2 ppg vs Russell in 1964 Finals (- 7.7 ppg) Wilt = 34.7 ppg in 1964/65 season Wilt = 30.1 ppg vs Russell in 1965 EDF (- 4.6 ppg) Wilt = 33.5 ppg in 1965/66 season Wilt = 28.0 ppg vs Russell in 1966 EDF (- 5.5 ppg) Wilt = 24.1 ppg in 1966/67 season Wilt = 21.6 ppg vs Russell in 1967 EDF (- 2.5 ppg the only time he beat Russell) Wilt = 24.3 ppg in 1967/68 season Wilt = 22.1 ppg vs Russell in 1968 EDF (- 2.2 ppg) Wilt = 20.5 ppg in 1968/69 season Wilt = 11.7 ppg vs Russell in 1969 Finals (- 8.8 ppg) And this is without factoring in that Wilt likely padded his stats in blowout situations, like we saw in the 1962 EDF. Russell - a genius who molded his came to fit the needs of multiple title runs Wilt - less of a helpful impact on his team's success.

[@oldeskoolnewsreels9927]

In 10 elimination ganes against Russell, Wilt's stats: 29.8/28.2/2.3 In 9 elimination games against Wilt, Russell's stats: 11.0/24.6/4.8 HEAD TO HEAD SERIES AVERAGES(CHAMBERLAIN VS RUSSELL) YEAR: POINTS/REBOUNDS/ASSISTS/TS%/MPG pts/rbs/ts%(rounded) 1960: Wilt 30.5 / 27.5 / 2.0/ 51.35 45.5 31/28/51% Russ 20.7 / 27.0 / 2.8/ 45.18 42.8 21/27/43% 1962: Wilt 33.6 / 26.9 / 2.9/ 51.05 48.0 34/27/51% Russ 22.0 / 24.4 / 4.3/ 47.60 47.7 22/24/48% 1964: Wilt 29.2 / 27.6 /2.4/ 50.93 45.8 FINALS 29/28/51% Russ 11.2 / 25.2 / 5.0/ 41.18 42.8 11/25/41% 1965: Wilt 30.1 / 31.4 / 3.3/ 57.52 48.7 30/31/58% Russ 14.1 / 25.3 / 6.7/ 45.86 48.6 14/25/46% 1966: Wilt 28.0 / 30.2 / 3.0/ 50.03 48.4 28/30/50% Russ 14.0 / 26.2 / 5.6/ 47.04 47.8 14/26/47% 1967: Wilt 21.6 / 32.0 / 10.0/56.39 47.8 22/32/56% Russ 11.4 / 23.4 / 6.0/ 43.63 45.6 11/23/44% 1968: Wilt 22.1 / 25.1 / 6.7/ 48.60 47.9 22/25/49% Russ 13.7 / 23.9 / 4.1/ 47.87 46.0 14/24/48% 1969: Wilt 11.7 / 25.0 / 3.0/ 47.10 47.3 FINALS 12/25/47% Russ 9.1 / 21.1 / 5.1/ 43.50 48.0 09/21/44%

[@y2shuproblem]

Bill was a better teammate, knew what he needed to do to succeed and was extremely more than willing to adjust his game to ensure that his teammates thrives. Bill's rings is a reflection of his greatness. Off the court, he fought for civil rights and demanded that black folks were treated with respect.

[@anthonychen7004]

Thanks for a historic basketball video!

[@kushberry6679]

In a few words, Russell played team ball, while Wilt played 1v5. Russell's playstyle was all about winning and Wilt's was all about entertainment

[@boxingdegenerate9077]

My point is people say people could never beat Russell’s “super team” Well in 1969 when Wilt Chamberlain was on the Lakers, he had Jerry West, Elgin Baylor and a slew of role players. In 1969 the Celtics were basically the half dead Spurs. The media was so sure the Lakers would win they hanged balloons for the rafters. Yet an older Celtics team beat Wilt, Jerry, Elgin. Don’t get me wrong the Celtics were still a great team but hey were no longer that juggernaut they were in the early 60’s Wilt had many shots at Russell and he lost more times than he won. I’m not saying Russell didn’t have great help but it’s kind of blown out of proportion. And people say Wilt had no help which is also blown out of proportion. At the end of the day sharing the ball and playing as a team matters.

[@Amick44]

Yeah, kinda. Only Havlicek was in his prime at Boston.

[@boxingdegenerate9077]

Mick A Havlicek wasn’t in his prime quiet yet. He was a 20ppg scorer with 7 rebs and 5ass. While shooting only 40% field goal but he was Still an amazing defender and arguably the best player on the team. Prime Hondo was a 28ppg scorer 8reb 7ass on 46% fg with better free throw percentage, more experience and a legitimate mvp contender while being still good defender. By that point he was clearly the man on his team.

[@Amick44]

@@boxingdegenerate9077 he was like 28, 29 at the time. Still in his athletic Prime. But as you say, he wasn't in his true offensive Prime till a couple of years later

[@boxingdegenerate9077]

Mick A yeah, he was a great player at the time just not top 5 in the league like he would later become.

[@boxingdegenerate9077]

s1 Wilt wasn’t playing well he only averaged 12ppg and his normal 25 rebounds with only a 38% free throw percentage. He played most of the time the most minutes of any player on his team regularly playing 48 minutes a night. I don’t see we’re your trying to get at.

[@laila2607]

Yes this video will be great i can feel it thank you rusty!!!

[@devanmartinez7006]

Underrated channel bro

[@nickjayne9994]

Wilt is Shaq: absurdly dominant, lackluster work ethic, big personality, little bit toxic, engrossed in things outside of basketball. Russell is Duncan: amazing team player, cornerstone of a winning organization, boring but effective, relies on fundamentals, titles are his only desire. You would rather buy a ticket to watch Wilt/Shaq play, but you would start your franchise with Russell/Duncan in a heartbeat.

[@slashbxe2832]

man dont compare shaq to wilt the bill russell duncan thing is fine tho. Shaq was only good in his prime wilt was dominant his whole career and when wilt had good coaching 1967,1972 he won rings and hset team records

[@billj4525]

@@slashbxe2832 Wilt had a lot of injuries and small issues by the 70s, which caused him to fall of a ton compared to the 60's. Not as much as Shaq though.

[@saiyerugara2629]

Bill Russell is a little better than Wilt Chamberlain all time, he is more of a winner and he was great on defense.

[@legendarywiimaster]

This is why I believe Bill Russell is underrated. He’s a team player and the way he shut down Wilt numerous times shows how capable he was. Didn’t worry about numbers or accomplishments. He was focused on winning. Thanks for making this video Rusty! Hope people will realize Bill Russell IS greater

[@jackcarraway4707]

"Stats are for losers; final score is for winners." Bill Belichick

[@yosssi8722]

Whoever disliked is a chamberlain fan

[@marcusmvpgoat1236]

Chamberlain has the most records

[@Fanatic_gamergod]

The very definition of a HOT TAKE... I personally have to take Chamberlain

[@casualfandestroyer2503]

Wilt averaged 17 PPG for his finals career how can he be goat when he barley won 2 titles and had just as many all star selections from his teammates with 26 total while playing with wilt,Russ had 28

[@ashantinyongo7632]

knicks fan I mean to be fair he was scaling back his scoring for Goodrich and west but I get your point

[@casualfandestroyer2503]

Kris Jong-Un that’s why his scoring fell or that’s why he barely won because he could never be the alpha dog for a winning team? Excuses excuses

[@casualfandestroyer2503]

Kris Jong-Un lmfaooo 38% was the average shooting percentage during that era so for Russ to shoot 44% he was well beyond average also 10-0 in game 7s that’s 100% Wilt was just soft mentally he wasn’t a killer man just stop it

[@casualfandestroyer2503]

Kris Jong-Un not really you don’t know what your talking about , Russ MADE his teammates better while wilt made his teams worse , how can those players be past or before prime and they still made 26 all star selections while playing with wilt , Russ had 28 stop making excuses it wasn’t lebrons cavs vs KD warriors russ went thru 10 game 7s and many of them were against wilt so stop tryna act like the teams weren’t evenly matched you don’t get to numerous game 7s if the talent level on both teams isn’t fairly close

[@mm28778]

This doesn't have anything to do with basketball but Bill was also an amazing activist in his time and has always been a beacon of light for the NBA after retirement. Wilt on the other hand spent his time after retirement adding to his massive body count and hating on Kareem constantly.

[@jonmichels7332]

I can't get over the fact he keeps pronouncing his last name "Chamberland" xD As always though appreciate all the hard work and research you put into your videos. Good quality content as always.

[@xsnipermattymacx]

Not gonna lie wilt was just very selfish and played as a one man show and he great stats. Even in all of these great stat seasons he got beaten in the playoffs regardless. When he joined a team and was relatively taking a backseat he had some more consistent winning.

[@Heart_ken01]

4:17 I think you meant Wilt* but it's ok I still left a like

[@100Beef]

Great points and I agree with you but what if the coach for the Boston Celtics made wilt like he was in 1967 just an interesting thought

[@benmedina6698]

Bill Russell was focused on basketball and basketball only. And was a great civil rights leader. He had the right priorities.

[@isaaclo1825]

The Lakers with Wilt, West and Baylor were better than any of the Bill Russell Celtics teams IMO

[@Doknot-tb9ey]

Good point.

[@johnjackson9819]

No way. Maybe if all 3 were in their prime but when they teamed up, Wilt was 32, Baylor was 34 and West was 30. If it was a few years earlier, I'd have agreed with you but this team was not even the strongest Lakers of the 60s. Wilt-west-Goodrich and Baylor-west- Goodrich >> Wilt-West- Baylor.

[@johnjackson9819]

The '62-'65 Celtics, '67 76ers >>> '69 Lakers IMO

[@brennan_]

@Isaac Lo on paper maybe, but the Lakers with those three met Russell and Celtics in the finals once in in '69 (Bill's last season as a player) and the Celtics beat them in 6. They never won a chip as a trio and Wilt and West only have one together. Those Lakers were the first super team in many ways but they didn't actually have much success going all the way.

[@razza1580]

Well the 60s were shit so we don’t care

[@alexcyr8425]

Boston strong baby

[@isaksidenius7059]

Wilt is a top 3 defensive player, especially if you take blocks into account there are some guys on reddit that counted he averaged around 7 blocks a season. Its true that some of Russels teammates were not hall of famers on other teams but they would still be all stars, as with all super teams their numbers were low because the points were spread out.

[@billj4525]

8.8 blocks a game for Wilt for the games complied I saw for Wilt, and just over 8 for Russell, 8.2 I think. Bill had better technique with blocking though. He was very feared on defense and kept the ball in play when blocking.

[@saiyerugara9038]

This video was a banger!

[@casualfandestroyer2503]

1962 Finals - Russell dropped 23-27-6 on 54%, led his team in pts/rebs 1963 Finals - Russell dropped 20-26-5 on 47% 1965 Finals - Russell dropped 18-25-6 on 70%, NBA Finals record for FG% 1966 Finals - Russell dropped 24-24-4 on 54%, led his team in pts/rebs Wilt has never put up NBA Finals numbers, where it actually matters, as impressive as these performances by Bill Russell. Wilt NEVER led his team in rebounds and points at the same time while winning an NBA Finals, unlike the genius Russell. That's because Russell's scoring helped his team, Wilt's team had a 22-30 playoff record during his 7 scoring title seasons

[@saiyerugara9038]

Bill Russell was just too damn good!

[@oldeskoolnewsreels9927]

@@saiyerugara9038 In 10 elimination games against Russell, Wilt's stats: 29.8/28.2/2.3 In 9 elimination games against Wilt, Russell's stats: 11.0/24.6/4.8 HEAD TO HEAD SERIES AVERAGES(CHAMBERLAIN VS RUSSELL) YEAR: POINTS/REBOUNDS/ASSISTS/TS%/MPG pts/rbs/ts%(rounded) 1960: Wilt 30.5 / 27.5 / 2.0/ 51.35 45.5 31/28/51% Russ 20.7 / 27.0 / 2.8/ 45.18 42.8 21/27/43% 1962: Wilt 33.6 / 26.9 / 2.9/ 51.05 48.0 34/27/51% Russ 22.0 / 24.4 / 4.3/ 47.60 47.7 22/24/48% 1964: Wilt 29.2 / 27.6 /2.4/ 50.93 45.8 FINALS 29/28/51% Russ 11.2 / 25.2 / 5.0/ 41.18 42.8 11/25/41% 1965: Wilt 30.1 / 31.4 / 3.3/ 57.52 48.7 30/31/58% Russ 14.1 / 25.3 / 6.7/ 45.86 48.6 14/25/46% 1966: Wilt 28.0 / 30.2 / 3.0/ 50.03 48.4 28/30/50% Russ 14.0 / 26.2 / 5.6/ 47.04 47.8 14/26/47% 1967: Wilt 21.6 / 32.0 / 10.0/56.39 47.8 22/32/56% Russ 11.4 / 23.4 / 6.0/ 43.63 45.6 11/23/44% 1968: Wilt 22.1 / 25.1 / 6.7/ 48.60 47.9 22/25/49% Russ 13.7 / 23.9 / 4.1/ 47.87 46.0 14/24/48% 1969: Wilt 11.7 / 25.0 / 3.0/ 47.10 47.3 FINALS 12/25/47% Russ 9.1 / 21.1 / 5.1/ 43.50 48.0 09/21/44%

[@saiyerugara9038]

@@oldeskoolnewsreels9927 Well, I mean Wilt was good as well lol!

[@oldeskoolnewsreels9927]

@@saiyerugara9038 No, this guy is cherry picking games. Wilt is better than Russell. Russell was an integral part of a great team BUT he never out rebounded, out scored or had a higher FG% in any series vs Wilt. Wilt was even better in elimination games when it counted most. Most of what you hear on YT is BS.

[@saiyerugara9038]

@@oldeskoolnewsreels9927 He won 9 more championships though as the first option and had 1 more MVP. Even that season Wilt dropped 50 points, they didn't really go anywhere. He only started winning once his numbers actually dropped. Bill Russell was potentially the best game 7 player in history or one of.

[@d34n_]

It's pretty hard to put up great enough numbers to be in the HOF when you're teammate takes nearly all of your shots. Bull Russell didn't demand the ball every time on offense, so his teammates actually had a chance to shine and show their own greatness. Wilt didn't allow his teammates to do that.

[@neemagabayan5097]

I don’t get how on the case for saying that wilt had sufficient help he says that he had four hall of fame teammates, but on the defense for bill russell he says that hall of fame wasn’t that hard to get into because they were the pioneers of basketball. Can’t just be one way

[@rizwanshareef2226]

I think what would be interesting is you do a video on the hall of fame. Like what should make a player to get into the hall of fame. That could be interesting...

[@Amick44]

Omg! Wow. Another never ending debate. Seems to be many criterias or at times, none.

[@trentspitz495]

I think Wilt is looked at by NBA fans kind of like how we look at Harden. They were obviously very talented, and should be treated as such. But both had situations where they were able to inflate stats and make themselves look a bit better then they might deserve

[@chilldoc9638]

Not necessarily, hardens system almost led to beating the greatest team of all time

[@dontworryidontknowwhereyou7972]

It’s similar to comparing Westbrook to CP3 as far as there talent(not playoff achievements)

[@Mekahw]

Not in the slightest

[@dontworryidontknowwhereyou7972]

Purely in regular season. I should have mentioned that in the playoffs there both very similar

[@Mekahw]

Don’t worry I don’t know where you live no.

[@kingad8869]

@@dontworryidontknowwhereyou7972 chris Paul shows up in the playoffs, he's just never healthy in the playoffs.

[@jordanbauman-putnam9524]

@@kingad8869 😂😂😂😂

[@igtheoraclesson6371]

Wilt said Bill was the Goat out his mouth.

[@jesuschrististhelord9937]

Wrong,

[@rizegecko9512]

Yes, thank you for this

[@aidensomething2748]

I know this was made 11 months ago but when you said shit like Russell wasn’t talented I had to comment. Bill Russell was as strong fast and athletic as Wilt Chamberlain and you are saying he was not as talented. Bill Russell’s stile was to make his teammates better and hide their weaknesses. Wilt’s was the opposite. If Bill Russell had Wilt’s stat seeking mentality then HE could have averaged 50. Plenty of people back then though that Russell was more athletic dominant and talented than chamberlain

[@vaccies]

bill couldn’t average 50

[@MovieGuy666]

no he wasn't... Russell couldn't even guard Wilt without help.

[@michaelcoy5677]

Wait how many points did bill score with era and pace being factored in? Is it like 4 or something

[@majormarketing6552]

Yep. Shows how lazy this youtuber’s take is on this. I won’t say his name because he disrespected Wilt with an age old bs argument that gave Bill Russell mvp’s over a 50 and 25 averaging player

[@basketballunwrapped3161]

@@majormarketing6552 Wilt isnt top 10

[@cassiusjoseph6655]

Major Marketing Only fans think Wilt is better. All of the players from that era known Russell was better. Jerry West and Elgin’s Lakers coming of like 5 (or six) finals losses had a team vote in whether they should acquire Wilt for basically free since the Sixers were trading him. Of the entire team, only two voted to get him. That’s because Wilt didn’t contribute to winning. Btw, that season the players voted Russell the mvp because he was better than Wilt, and Oscar, and Elgin, who all had huge amounts of trouble winning.

[@omnipepper3665]

@@cassiusjoseph6655 Wilt was the better player, no way Russell was better that Oscar or Wilt. Bill won more but didn't play better imo

[@cassiusjoseph6655]

Omni Pepper Than why do all the players from back then swear he’s the best of them. He supposedly averaged 9-12 blocks and is easily the most dominant defensive player ever. Compared with Oscar and Wilt who put up great numbers but were perennial losers. Oscar never succeeded until he got a top 5 all time player in Kareem. Meanwhile Wilt continuously lost to the Celtics because Russell defended him and shut down his team by extension 9 out of 10 years in a row.

[@RLSmith-jt8qj]

Can't really by the "basketball was new argument. " By 1962 basketball was in it's 7th decade of existence. For me 1957 was the actual birth of modern basketball history and 1977 was the beginning of modern NBA history. The talents of Russell, Wilt, Elgin, west, Robertson, Petit and of host of others were the culmination of basketball at that time.

[@jonjuko8859]

As far as sports go seven decades is a new born baby

[@bpdmf2798]

11 rings. 8 straight rings.

[@MikeTheNBAGuy]

Didnt even mention Wilt's playoff underperformances. Like James Harden on steroids, dude's ppg went wayyyyyy down

[@MrSayWhatIThink23]

That’s a lie. Wilt was still efficient in the playoffs

[@juliothom2408]

Young & Ambitious, Wilt’s career PPG average in Regular Season = 30.1 per game Wilt’s career PPG average in Playoffs = 22.5 Russell’s regular season - 15.1 Russell’s postseason - 16.2 One guy scored better in the postseason and one guy was demonstrably worse. Wilt’s job was to score. Russell’s job was basically to do everything else, yet Bill wasn’t any worse scoring in the Playoffs than he normally was. I’d call from 30.1 to 22.5 a massive chokejob.

[@MrSayWhatIThink23]

Julio Thom Wilt shot 54% in the regular season, 52% in the post season. Imagine getting criticized for taking too many shots, then you take less so your teammates have more opportunities, still shoot efficiently and still get criticized. And Wilt’s only job wasn’t to score, he had a good all around game

[@juliothom2408]

Young & Ambitious, The proof is in the fact that his teams weren’t as good when he dominated the ball. You keep looking at stats. Statswise, Wilt crushes everyone, including MJ. But it’s not about talent or stats. Wilt was a selfish player. He didn’t change his game until he was either forced to changed (Hannum) or got older (Lakers). I won’t argue that Wilt was more talented. But that doesn’t make him a better player. An extreme example is this: Andrew Wiggins is a more physically talented player than Larry Bird ever was, yet nobody would say Wiggins was better than Bird. Bird contributed to winning before McHale and Parrish were added. Wiggins has never contributed to winning. Talent is only a piece of the puzzle, not the whole puzzle.

[@MrSayWhatIThink23]

Julio Thom Wilt at times definitely was selfish but if you’re not going to acknowledge the help Russell has you’re biased. He had the smallest offensive role of any top level big man. He won a championship where he averaged 9 PPG and was the 7th leading scorer on his team. Bill could afford to be so good defensively because of his teammates and he just wasn’t that great offensively compared to other bigs. There are also plenty of close games where Wilt’s teammates got enough shots and weren’t efficient in the playoffs and lost 1 or 2 possession games

[@Splackavellie85]

Stop claiming you’re 20, we all know you’re 35

[@Eric-ic3do]

Game 7 Bill >>>>>>>>>

[@grantmartin4773]

Well you forgot something. The coach for those warriors teams’s game plan was to give the ball to wilt. It was like he wasn’t defying the coaches. He was just following what they were telling him. In 67 when the new legendary coach came in and emphasized ball movement, wilt followed and won. I think Wilt wasn’t just a selfish ball hog, I think he was a product in his early days of bad coaching.

[@chiniechinchen]

most of wilts great numbers came from regular season games also with his teams not winning much wilts numbers drop for the playoffs they drop even more in the finals and then even more in games 7s wilt disappeared in big games for one reason becuz he did not want to foul out so became passive when the pressure was on

[@MovieGuy666]

his scoring went down because he got bored with scoring and focused on assists.

[@StreetDiscipletheGOAT913]

When wilt won his ring when he stopped scoring so much but when bill won he knew he wasn’t needed to be the main guy doing everything to win to make his teammates better

[@casualfandestroyer2503]

I love using the 65 Celtics on play now online 2k20

[@pjwashington9599]

Russell had help but some players on his team were hall of famers BECAUSE they had 8 or so Championships

[@OK-yy6qz]

Exactly People Always Talk About How Many hall Of Fame Teammates Bill Had But I'm pretty Sure most of them Wouldn't be Hall of Famers without Russell

[@casualfandestroyer2503]

Wilt averaged 17 PPG for his finals career how can he be goat when he barley won 2 titles and had just as many all star selections from his teammates with 26 total while playing with wilt,Russ had 28

[@casualfandestroyer2503]

s1 exactly wilt was a role player Russ was a alpha

[@mileskilometers9888]

Wilt’s stats in 1962 (50 ppg season) if he took the same amount of shots and played the same amount of minutes Shaq played in 2002 look like: 23 ppg, 19 rpg, 50% shooting The incredible volume wilt had makes him hard to compare to stars today, but the argument that the 50 ppg season is a reason why he is better than Bill is bogus because of the unrealistic volume wilt had in that season. That should be a known fact

[@rocketdoggie6441]

Another banger

[@bobjr8519]

0:39 rusty u be killin me man 😂

[@DS-jh3ic]

If wilt had bills attitude towards the game he would have been the GOAT

[@TheIcemanthomas]

Sounds like a certain someone on the lakers now and what they’ve been saying about him in comparison to kobe/bird/jordan for 17 years.

[@casualfandestroyer2503]

@@TheIcemanthomas stop. Don’t compare wilt to bron bron is a winner and dedicated to the game 🤦‍♂️

[@egedanr7608]

This is probably the worst take I saw on this channel so far. I get what you mean but really dude? Russell better than Wilt? NO WAY.

[@stephensodzi1957]

There's s reason it's called a "hot take"

[@basketballunwrapped3161]

Wilt isnt top 10

[@casualfandestroyer2503]

Wilt averaged 17 PPG for his finals career how can he be goat when he barley won 2 titles and had just as many all star selections from his teammates with 26 total while playing with wilt,Russ had 28

[@navaree5176]

Imagine the coach from the warriors doing that, he would've had similar leadership to bill russel

[@rovicvelasco3368]

This bout to be one of Rusty's juiciest vids ever.

[@DQ_Senpai]

I mean I like White women too But Ball is life Wilt😂

[@Doknot-tb9ey]

hahaha ain't nothin' like loving the snow bunnies.

[@maxserafini8127]

I agree. I have Bill Russell at number 4 all time and Wilt at 8 of all time

[@capitanfuturo594]

LOL Wilt Chamberlain was better than Russell.

[@maxserafini8127]

@@capitanfuturo594 this comment was made over a year ago

[@capitanfuturo594]

@@maxserafini8127 Any problem ?

[@dannychamberlain6244]

For me, Wilt at 4, Russell at 5

[@kyul9357]

I saw a video of Bill jump over someone, from inside the free throw line, fly to the rim with a finger roll. His athleticism was off the charts. No less than Jordan or Wilt as far as his strength and physical abilities. For a 6’-9 man to move like that doesn’t exist today. He was a better physical specimen than Jordan who everyone exalts as the greatest athlete

[@casualfandestroyer2503]

Would you agree that Moses Malone has a case for having the better career over wilt? He also scored around 30k points I believe and won a finals mvp in the modern era against a stacked lakers team in convincing fashion ?

[@contato424]

Yes! I’ve been saying this for years, and everyone I tell either laughs and rarely does someone agree with me. I was truly convinced by Bill Simmons’s book of basketball, and KAJ letter to wilt. Bill was a winner, he did whatever he could to win games. Wilt was obsessed with personal stats.

[@WalkoffGrandslam]

Bill Russell didnt love winning he just really hated losing. But yeah Wilt didnt care about either just his own line.

[@contato424]

@Ananno Myss yeah.

[@phillipschuman4307]

Wilt had four teams that extended Russell and the Celtics to a 7th game, and the total margin of those four losses were just 9 points. Basically one bucket a game. So somehow the difference of one made or missed shot, a random roll or bounce, a foul called or not, or the outcome of one trip to the free throw line, in a 7th game, with over 100 possessions a team that game, means Russell >>> Wilt? I don't see that being remotely plausible whatsoever. What's next? Somebody going to call Jerry West a loser because he went 1-7 or 8 in the Finals? When they had heartbreaking losses by a late shot in game sevens also? One fluke here or there, or ABSENT a fluke, and if Wilt's team takes even two of those four games and goes to the title, he ends with four titles, and two more on the Celtics added to the one already, and the narrative that he can never beat Russell is entirely different. This seems too random and more bad luck than an argument about how Russell is greater. What, did Russell make those last two points every time on Wilt or something? You know it was KC Jones or someone else, not Russell, most likely.

[@itzterrencem257]

Phillip Schuman nothing has changed. Its always a false narrative on wilt.

[@itzterrencem257]

That’s why nobody arguing against your statement 😂

[@danielntumba5980]

Well yeah there is a lot of false narratives about wilt

[@phillipschuman4307]

@@itzterrencem257 To be fair to Rusty here, he is only repeating a narrative that was set in stone about Wilt early on. It is the common wisdom take about him. It was probably greatly reinforced by Bill Simmon's Book of Basketball, even though Bill is an infamous Celtics homer booster fan and would obviously tout Russell esp. over his great rival. But it's a lazy and uninformed take, imo.

[@jordanbauman-putnam9524]

Okay but it happened 9 times

[@WillToWinvlog]

Yeah, you're right Rus!

[@ibrahimbashir6780]

PLEASE, I need u to see colin cowherd's predictions for the 2020 awards.