Why Boat Refugees Don't Fly! - Factpod #16

This shows you why the refugees crossing the mediterranean by boat, can't just fly to Europe.
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[@senamit202]

Some of the comments below are disturbing. This is not the message that the good professor was trying to convey.

[@BillBeckhamShareANews]

Prof, thanks for making a complex subject simple and easy to understand. I have shared it in my google+ so that more people understand this Europe refugees crisis and avoidable human tragedy... God saves these people!

[@erics2305]

I didn't know about this directive until now, and I have to say that it is shameful and extremely hypocritical how the EU is dealing with this problem. I think that most migrants are not true refugees and I don't want illegal immigrants to be allowed to stay in Europe, but it's unjustifiable to force true refugees to travel to Europe via people smugglers. And at the same time the EU likes to present itself as a place where human rights are being upheld. Since this is a directive and it clearly states that the rights of true refugees are not to be prejudiced, I think the important point is what the national laws that have been passed to implement this directive actually say (EU directives, under normal circumstances, are not directly applicable law, they only oblige the member states to pass national laws implementing the directive). I wonder if these national laws could be challenged, if they conflict with EU law or international law by factually establishing a barrier for true refugees.

[@mikaelzerai440]

FINALY! I have heard about this. But the media is acting like MC HAMMER and never touch this.

[@MixmanD28]

Thank you for posting this important message. I hope it leads to a rapid change in EU policy.

[@MJODENG]

meget bra !

[@AnwarNillufary]

Hi there! Is there a similar international directive to the ”EU Directive 2001/51/EC”? Which allows a refugee board an airplane, so they can safely reach a country of asylum; I mean to the one how is recognized as a genuine refugee by competent authorities, and they hold proper documents with themselves, therefore, not an asylum seeker with lack of documents. Please reply if you know anything, thanks.

[@johnpaulm5151]

Didn't he just explain that this directive allows that? But the problem is that no one is offering a process to supply refugees with proper documents.

[@eess.eess.4122]

Hi sir My name is Basir khan i am from Afghanistan and need help about Rafuge How we goto Canada as a Refuge And where we go frist for help How Canadian Embassy help our And plz sir make for us a video about Afghani Refuge Tell me about A to Z Rafuges Proses because our life not safe here thanks

[@VisionOfTJ]

He good with the pencil, but what does he bench?

[@danielyount9812]

I hope they get this information to the EU commission.

[@Pechevee]

They know, they just don't care.

[@vashlash6870]

So they can get rid of it, and turn Europe into a 3rd world hell hole?

[@pmvagnes11]

Nagyon sajnálom, hogy a szöveget nem értettem. :( :( Az én korosztályom az orosz nyelvet tanulta,majd én az eü.szakközépiskolában szakmai latint, később az eszperantó nyelvet.Mindezeknek sok-sok évig hasznát vettem.)

[@fffmmm22]

Why would they cross to Sicily instead of crossing the strait of Gibraltar or taking the land route over Turkey? Seems a lot safer to me in terms of drowning risks, so I must be missing something... (I know that people already make their way to Greece over Turkey, but I mean why risk drowning when you can pretty much avoid it by just taking a different route? What's the motivation behind risking to drown while trying to get to Sicily.)

[@wutzwubblerer]

in dubio pro deo There are towns like Melilla in Marocco, which prevent refugees to go over the strait of Gibraltar. Btw there are also a lot of people dying by taking the land route. It's not really better.

[@marleneg.7128]

Thank you for such a clear explanation. May I ask if you have previous video or if you could explain why refugees chose Europe instead of other Muslim nations?

[@ghagasdgj]

+Marlene G. Probably because most european countries are richer and more well developed than the many war-raged countries of the Middle East. Not really that hard to understand, actually.

[@marleneg.7128]

Qatar, Emirates...

[@antares1443]

Middle east is a human rights shithole. They're bunch of racist intolerant idiots that force you to be a Muslim. No sane person would seek asylum there. Europe or North America seem to be a better option because they have good laws that protect you from others

[@LivingHistorySchool]

+Marlene G. because they are trying to crush the European people and destroy their way of life.

[@Katzelle3]

Lebanon hosts more refugees than the EU...

[@JarlArntzen]

Hans Rosling for president! :D

[@ollerydenor]

R.I.P

[@JarlArntzen]

Olle Rydén 🙁

[@SwissCheese112]

Question: If you have a 1000 euros, why not go to china or India?

[@atlasflame5815]

EU has better public services (healthcare, education .etc.) and I believe that more people is exactly the last thing China/India would want.

[@dragonburst5341]

@@atlasflame5815 This is what people believe but you can have a good job in China

[@ardmeuwissn6989]

@@dragonburst5341 But it is not a free country. Money isn't everything, quality of life also matters

[@manfredgrunling1534]

hmm i quite don't understand the problem. Is the difficulty then, that they can't get a visa for a european country? I do understand that they are stopped at the airport, if they don't have a valid visa. I, as a european, wouldn't be allowed either to fly to another country without a valid visa. What I don't understand is, why shouldn't they be allowed to get a visa? If they applied for a regular "holiday visa" for a european country. Who would stop them? Or am I missing something. BTW: I really like hans roslings way of explaining things. he has held some interesting TED-talks

[@strawnie2]

my doubt is the same as your, but now reading the comments here I realized that all the people coming from countries not at war do not get a visa because...at that point they can not apply for asylum, by definition: if you have a visa, it means your country is stable, etc.

[@Vasileski88]

So why dont they fly to non EU member states? Switzerland or Norway maybe? Or maybe Serbia and then from there go deeper into Europe?

[@mikaellaaksonen6806]

+Vasileski88 Just guessing that you'll need a visa to those as well and they are both chengen members and therefore have strict border regulations. Don't know about Serbia though

[@antares1443]

lol Serbia? learned history much?

[@Vasileski88]

Antares what are you talking about dude?

[@Vasileski88]

so fucking what? they dont even want to stay there. They'll just crossover into a neighboring eu state. Use ur brain!

[@antares1443]

How are they gonna get out of Srbja? or get in for that matter.

[@Lejmej]

Well they do fly to Scandinavia, but they do it by going to Damascus and take a flight to Murmansk. There they buy or steal a bike and start to ride the bike in to Norway... Norwegian customs finds Syrians almost daily on the roads in Norway...

[@riskakaimba]

How about allowing migrants to seek asylum from abroad?

[@killerhund2002]

Isn't is possible to apply for a tourism visa, and when it expires to apply for asylum?

[@gagarine42]

No. Practically those peoples have absolutely no chance to get a visa. Even for citizens of fairly stable state in Africa, getting a visa is hard.

[@burntre1]

@@gagarine42 are you seriously telling me you can’t go on holiday to Europe if you live in Africa?

[@gagarine42]

@burnstre1 Yes, not possible when you countries is at civil wars or economic collapse, at least not for the average person. You don't think otherwise people will do in an effort to save their life?

[@paulallen579]

​@@burntre1 No, only the countries that are in a state of civil war. Unless you're politically persecuted, then it can be impossible too. People in developed countries are always surprised just how hard and expensive getting a visa can be for other people.

[@SuperNorage]

But how do they get their money to boat if they're unemployed in their countries ?

[@johnpaulm5151]

Are you saying they're not necessarily financial migrants and therefore true refugees? Or are you genuinely curious? Savings, loans. Some of these people are professionals.

[@paulallen579]

They borrow it from all of their friends and relatives. That's why the average refugee reaching Northern Europe is a young man who left his family behind, because the trip is very dangerous and very expensive.

[@FreddoX1]

They are not refugees. Stop calling them that.

[@sqshhm]

Um, have you SEEN Syria & Eritrea (where many of them are from)? Some of these people have had their homes bombed, their neighbours killed, their sisters raped. Some of them have been brutally oppressed, forced into military service at 15 years old, punished for practicing their religion, etc. If you are fleeing war, oppression, threats against you & your family, etc, then you are a refugee. Yes, SOME of them aren't genuine refugees, but a lot of them are. Nobody is saying just let them all in without checking, they will all have to have their asylum claims checked properly and any that fail will be returned.

[@sqshhm]

Some of the "stable Islamic countries" won't take them in (and yes, there should be massive international pressure on some of the wealthier countries in the region to take more in) and have not signed up to the international agreements about accepting asylum seekers, also some of those countries practice versions of Islam that are opposed to the types of Islam practiced by the refugees and this could cause even more instability and tension. Some other neighbouring countries ARE taking in huge numbers of refugees and are totally overwhelmed, e.g. a quarter of Lebanon's population is now refugees, and now Lebanon itself is becoming more and more unstable, so who knows how long those refugees will be able to remain there? The refugee camps in some of these neighbouring countries are in many cases barely any better than the places they are fleeing - conditions are dirty, cramped and dangerous, and the refugees are often treated very badly by locals. So no, I still don't think they are "luxury seekers" for wanting to come to safe, stable, tolerant democratic countries which have the resources to cope with them instead of squalid refugee camps in countries that are buckling under the pressure, or to countries that refuse to have them.

[@DrMabuse2008]

+FreddoX1 They are fleeing the lack of a welfare state.

[@GummBo3]

+Saskia Hopkins Middleton What you're saying is true, but what you just described still goes under the definition of "refugee"

[@OriruBastard]

Holy shit, they have to get Visa in order to travel? No shit, so do I! If they can afford 5000 buck boat then they most certainly are more than capable of getting a visa and proper papers to travel here legally.

[@exelwaschel]

For the same price you can fly to the US.

[@MikaelMurstam]

+exelwaschel why would they want that?

[@iamcrimsonspecter2]

+Mikael Murstam Yeah we don't just give away welfare or anything lmao. EU is self harming/killing itself

[@GummBo3]

+CrimsonSpectre You actually do :P US is more socialist then some officially socialist countries x)

[@iamcrimsonspecter2]

Which is why it's spiraling, 100T unfunded liabilities + that 60% dependency rate. Land of bums. No wonder Bernie has so many suckers ready to leech even more, nobody wants to plug the hole, everyone thinks it's time for a collective drowning.

[@darthutah6649]

+exelwaschel I don't think that congress would be happy to allow syrian refugees after paris and san bernadino

[@debse.7286]

So why don't the charities that pick them up by boat get forced to return them?

[@Nemrai]

Because the people who are rescued have the right to come to Europe and seek asylum.

[@Weishaubt]

Wäre der nächste Schritt nicht erstmal zu versuchen an ein (Urlaubs-)Visum heran zu kommen um dann doch fliegen zu können. Edit: Nebenbei scheint das doch eine super Geschäftsidee für die Fluggesellschaften zu sein: Dokumentenlose für 1000€ sicher fliegen lassen, da hat man das Geld für die Zurückgeschickten doch gleich mit dabei.

[@havfaith56]

Not the war?

[@dextertreehorn]

Very good question!

[@J2897Tutorials]

Or the Jihad?

[@StefanoBongini]

Uh? Are professor saying people go to Europe by boats because they need visas? That's total BS. Everyone needs a visa to go to another Country, unless particular agreements. First you have to get visa, THEN you move to another country. Every European citizen needs a Visa to travel to - let's say - Africa or middle East or USA. So what?

[@mdqmichel]

Los pobres no pueden ingresar a barrios privados. Y las países ricos actúan de ese modo, además de tratar como subalternos y disponibles a los países pobres.

[@nickduffell9769]

Watch this Wounded Leaders

[@deejayfrom88]

Get the appropriate documents then :/

[@Nemrai]

Yes, I'm sure that people desperate enough to risk a dangerous journey like crossing the sea in boats haven't thought of that.

[@burntre1]

So why haven’t they then?

[@Nemrai]

@@burntre1 Because they don't have the opportunity to.

[@burntre1]

@@Nemrai utter rubbish, anyone can apply for a passport and visa, your living in a dream world.

[@lorenzoluisalbano3695]

Logic... Hypocrites and bigots, well represented in this commenting section are definitely allergic to it. Not one of them tries to address the eminently logical explanation that Hans Rosling puts forward.

[@renewblah]

... und wieso kaufen die dann nicht einfach ein Hin- und Rückreiseticket? Wäre immer noch billiger. Feht denen einfach die Info darüber?

[@MaxFriedrichHartmann]

+renewblah oder Leute setzen einem Hilfsfond auf. Nur enthält die Direktive auch den Passus, dass die Sanktionen für die Airline nicht unter 3000EUR pro Person liegen dürfen. Dies deckt sich irrerweise mit den übliche Kosten für Schleppertouren, kann also gut und gerne Prohibition oder Gewinngarantie fürs Schleppergewerbe genannt werden. eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/ALL/?uri=CELEX:32001L0051 Article 41. Member States shall take the necessary measures to ensure that the penalties applicable to carriers under the provisions of Article 26(2) and (3) of the Schengen Convention are dissuasive, effective and proportionate and that: (a) either the maximum amount of the applicable financial penalties is not less than EUR 5000 or equivalent national currency at the rate of exchange published in the Official Journal on 10 August 2001, for each person carried, or(b) the minimum amount of these penalties is not less than EUR 3000 or equivalent national currency at the rate of exchange published in the Official Journal on 10 August 2001, for each person carried, or(c) the maximum amount of the penalty imposed as a lump sum for each infringement is not less that EUR 500000 or equivalent national currency at the rate of exchange published in the Official Journal on 10 August 2001, irrespective of the number of persons carried.

Well, what if wannabe refugee buys a retour ticket? It is still cheaper, much safer and quicker, the airline gets the money anyway. This is not a solution very hard to find, so the reasoning is somewhat incomplete.

[@sqshhm]

If only it were that simple! Do you not think that perhaps the airlines might still be suspicious?! They are covering their asses and if there's any doubt about whether the person is intending to return or not they will err on the side of caution and refuse to let then travel.

Saskia Hopkins Middleton

I don't really understand what you mean. If the person pre-pays *double* (retour ticket) the airline has already got its money *even* if the person will be rejected. Zero risk (financially). For the refugee, It is still better to pay a double priced airline ticket than risk his/her life for the same money on sea.

[@strawnie2]

Yes, plus he can get a regular visa, or is it that difficult?

[@malinvanweerdenburg1214]

The point is about being able to get a visa. For non-european people who want to visit europe this is super hard (USA equally)

[@mrtoptenatten]

And you wonder why your council tax keeps going up and up

[@ChrisPrefect]

This does not make complete sense to me: If the airlines don't let you board without a visa because they fear they have to pay for the return ticket, then just buy a return ticket in the first place! It is still cheaper than the boat!

[@daviie]

***** the refugees are probably not planing on returning to their country...

[@ndktube]

daviie Yes but for the purposes of getting on the plane they could pretend they were, was his point. And the round-trip airfare is still cheaper, not to mention safer, than the boats.

[@jobsafa213]

***** "All the costs" means a lot more than just the return ticket, thats why. The nations of EU handed over the responsibility to the airlines to decide who is a refuge. That's why people need to show visa at check in.

[@ndktube]

job safa Yes. The idea that you would let someone on an international flight, without the visa required for normal entry at the other end, because 'asylum', seems completely absurd to me. Prof Rosling's notion is a prescription for a descent into complete chaos I think.

[@ChrisPrefect]

job safa OK, so why are we not funding charter planes to fly them to Europe? I would gladly pay for a few seats in that charter plane so some refugees can fly here.

[@naalsocomment9449]

Interesting and informative video But it misses the point why would someone want to travel 1000s of miles from their home, crossing several countries that are not at war, just to get asylum in Europe instead of staying at a save place, like in the next country? This is nothing about asylum but it is just illegal immigration. Funny that people bring up Geneva Convention when talking about granting people asylum because according to Geneva Convention none of those people are war refugees. People are considered refugee until they reach the next save country. How does this apply to people 'fleeing' from Turkey to Greece, from France to UK, from Italy to Germany? Or people 'fleeing' from Afghanistan over Iran, Turkey, Macedonia, Serbia ... just be to be stopped by police in Hungary on their way to Germany. The money spent on this journey is at least a yearly income for those people. And instead of using this money to have the whole family survive in the next best country, they put everything they have on one young boy and tell him, don't stop before Germany. If they stop you, say 'asylum', wait for some weeks and continue to Germany. Something every parent can relate to?!

[@Nemrai]

Because the countries next to them are already housing a lot of refugees. Most refugees stay in countries close to their home country, a few(relatively speaking) come to Europe. But they live in poor conditions and don't have any opportunities there due to being so many.

[@arthurdent6783]

Why don't they fly to Montenegro or some other non-EU country that is very close? Way safer

[@GjerdanPeterson]

Arthur Dent Montenegro and non-EU Balkan countries in general are pretty small and their airlines don't really have much interest in enlarging their business in Africa . To travel from one of those countries to Africa , you'd probably need to take two different planes, one from the country to another more developed EU country and another from the EU country to Africa.

[@arthurdent6783]

***** That explains it to me.

[@vashlash6870]

Based

[@richardmurphy9006]

They get 12 miles offshore call coast guard and engage "the law of the Sea" you rescue you keep

[@hyphenpointhyphen]

Mr Rosling, although parts of your hypothesis are valid, apparently just a very small population is migrating due to reasons of political or cases of geneva convention asylum - most, if not all of them know very well that they do not stand a chance of applying - because they simply want a job, but that is not a given human right. You have to earn it, by contributing to a society, by cultural and private contribution. Something that many European countries seem to give away almost for free to anyone today. It would be very easy nowadays to get immigration documents simply by applying at the embassies of the respective country and to use them for transportation.

[@arctic.winter]

Don't blame it on the directive. Blame the politicians who supported the destabilization of the entire middle east and Libya.

[@offason]

Because the boat has no wings!

[@ericssonmanuel]

on the boats they come with no documentation. I assume he thinks we should admit millions just because Africa has a large population increase and they would prefer to live in a better run country

[@rewillem6031]

The cause and effect in this video are seriously flawed. Yes, crossing a boat to Europe might be their only option. But nobody is forcing them to cross. I could jump from a building and break my legs or I could decide not to do it. D'OH!!

[@minad.1078]

refugee is the keyword. They're escaping from violence and war. If you were in that situation you'd definitely want to leave too, especially if you have a family.

[@eliaskonstas5250]

Thr EU directive 2001/51 EC is correct. Asylum seekers can appeal to the local embassies but they don't do in the fear of getting rejected. They try to enter EU by boat or land and destroy their travel documents to make deportation impossible, thus forcing their entry and stay in the EU.

[@Nemrai]

No, they can't apply for asylum at embassies. Because it's required to be in, or at the border of, the country where they apply to do so.

[@LeonidSaykin]

sounds stupid, maybe they should spend that money to buy legal visas

[@Nemrai]

Yes, I'm sure that refugees have the opportunity to easily get visas...

[@pxtokarev]

Real refugees can present themselves at any embassy and get a visa. Most do that. Only those who can not get a visa opt for paying the boat traffickers and the ONGs that act together with them.

[@Nick300wm]

Non Sequitur. If a shop refuses to sell alcohol to an under 18 year old and that child buys glue at a hardware store dies and dies sniffing it, it is not the fault of the bottle store/ off licence. More, the sensible reaction would not be to allow alcohol sale to minors, but to introduce protocols for the selling of adhesive to minors.

[@Andersljungberg]

And fly to USA like Iranians ?

[@TomMRF]

Oh stupid people in the comments. The western countries are one of the main reasons why these countries are poor. So the least thing we can do is help the people, that have to live in poverty and danger because of western economic speculations. Anyway, whoever says to not let this "foreigners" in is simply not deserving to be called a human. The core of every living is love and tolerance. If you just think about yourself, and think you have more rights than any other human just because - by coincidence - you are born in a rich country - then you are just sad and pathetic.

[@hugheaston7598]

+TomMRF The fact that these people aren't claiming asylum in the first safe haven they arrive at, but are pressing on to the countries they see as being most lucrative, shows that they're not asylum seekers at all, but economic migrants. Worse, most of them are Muslims, and have cultural values very different from our own (honour killings, paedophilia, slavery, execution of gays etc). A lot of them appear to be coming from or passing through ISIS-controlled territory too, so you can bet that, among their number are extremists who'll later carry out terror attacks if given the opportunity. Basically it's an invasion, and if we allow it to continue, the whole of Europe is committing cultural suicide - it'll end up Muslim majority and under Sharia law, and European culture and our way of life will be past history. It's the same mistake the Romans made. In the final decades of their empire, they allowed in as immigrants the Germanic tribes who went on to sack their cities, and ultimately to obliterate their civilization altogether.

[@ghagasdgj]

+Hugh Easton Of course you go to the country you heard of or where you might have friends or relatives already living. Are you stupid or something? If you flee somewhere, you of course pick the best place - and that place would probably be a place where you knew people who could help you out. It's almost as if you don't consider these people human with human logic and feelings. Very sad indeed.

[@hugheaston7598]

+Jesper Nilsson The asylum system is supposed to grant people temporary refuge in times of conflict. Under the rules, asylum seekers are supposed to claim asylum in the first safe haven they reach, which, for most of those fleeing Syria, would be Turkey or Lebanon. That is what most of them are actually doing, however some aren't happy with that, and are paying people smugglers thousands of euros a head to smuggle them into the EU so they can claim asylum there. That makes them economic migrants, not asylum seekers. While the wealthier EU countries have a much more generous welfare system than Turkey or Lebanon, that won't hold if hordes of economic migrants from the third world roll up and demand priority over housing, education and healthcare. In other words, the poor people in EU countries are going to take the first hit, however everyone will be affected as taxes are raised and services cut in order to accommodate more and more new arrivals. On top of that, the people arriving are also predominantly muslim, and past experience has shown that they don't integrate into Western societies, but instead establish no-go areas where they can continue carrying out their traditional cultural practices of child molestation, arranged marriages and honour killings. Even if the parents are moderates, experience in the UK (and France) shows that their children often become radicalised, for instance there are hundreds of UK-born ISIS fighters in Syria right now. They also breed at a considerably higher rate than the average for EU countries. Even if the EU manages to initially absorb the influx, it's going to create all sorts of social problems that will continue to get worse as time goes by. Unfettered immigration destroyed the Roman empire, and the same will happen to European civilization if we allow it.

[@arnold-hu4vk]

+Hugh Easton '..their children often become radicalised'? So how do you define 'often'? How many become radicalised, do you have a percentage which enabled you to correctly use the term 'often'?

[@hugheaston7598]

a. I don't know what the percentage is, just that there are hundreds of UK-born muslims fighting alongside ISIS, and we've had incidents of people being stabbed and beheaded by them (and of course the tube bombings, which were also UK-born muslims from immigrant families).

[@mrbrain2k]

what does this guy smoke? Or is he dreaming?

[@WattanaPui]

Traveling by boat includes a 'free ticket' to stay in Europe, because once on sea, the boats are pulled to Europe, not back where they started from. Insane. *Why* Europe is doing that really is way being my understanding...

[@Pananananananananify]

Dear Professor, I must regretably say that you video has been missunderstood by many users. The discussion tells. Also you are misleading. Nobody seems to raise the point that the status quo has been created by *political decisions* and was reenforced by further measures by the *EU*. And just today they make things worse. Im a bit bewildered reading all this viewpoints that are at variance from this facts.

[@markspencer171]

And so what ? Great to see that tax payers paid this guy to work this out. Countries have borders and those borders are enforced. So what ? Illegals come on boats cause they want to avoid the system and they want money.

[@OP04player]

F. EU

[@rembrandt2323]

Your analyse is partly flawed. The points you mention are correct but EACH AND ANY member of a Bording Crew could simply declare to follow the Geneave Convention... simply nobody does because the companies just tell them not about their "rights"... During viewing your Movies I get the impression that you assume that ANYBODY knows about such Laws... In fact the real world is differently.. People get hired and follow orders... I as Company WONT have the trouble.. I simply WONT have it because it nerves, it cost time and money.... so I tell all my employee to NOT and NEVER allow the bording if somebody lacks any documents.. Who of them (employees) knows about the Geneave convention you think? 20%? 40%? 2%? ... You can't get fired to follow it (that is also disallowed by law btw...)... There is no lack in LAWS allowing/disallowing things, there is a lack in courage to "use" the Laws to protect a completly random person.... Your Video won't Change it... and makes not even the attemp to point this situation out. if I would not know the laws you mentioned I'd say "Oh such hearthless assholes who work as bording personal".... But you also missed the fact that you get mostly controlled by military/police forces before you can do the bording... so the countries are also responseable for this. Another point you might missed to consider...I am not aware of a single airport where you don't get controlled by either poice/military or para military units... except private airports.... but that's out of range for refugees... Why don't you mention such things too? Maybe otherwise the marketing value of such videos would be lower? I don#t know.. I don't exspect an answer but feel free to suprise me. :-) kind regards, Rembrandt

[@SweEmtB]

I'm not saying that the welfare of the whole Muslim world is the primary concern of the Western world, but still.. Europe, and indeed the Western world lives under extreme welfare - lets face the fact. Like Hans Rosling is explaining here, if we want a world of well-being, peace and prosperity we need to reconcile to the fact that it's a ridiculous and a shamefully small amount of refuges that has come to Europe. In comparison to the amount of resources we have, it is an outright ridiculous small amount. We spend less than one British pound per person in an refugee camps, cutting back on schooling and food rations and you're mad that they're coming here? And you're on a computer that probably costs more than 100£ and flying half across the world for vacations? And you have the decency to say they stress the worlds resources? It's sickening and directly counterproductive to say they are the problem in this equation.

[@chefboyardee8278]

Any fellow Marxists in the comment section?