Why Can’t Women Have Multiple Husbands? | Mufti Abu Layth

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[@riazuddin1761]

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[@user-ky8ym7le9m]

Don’t we all

[@hammadhaider]

A live stream in Ramadan is needed. inshaAllah

[@zakiabegum5241]

Facts

[@UnknownHuman2000]

I want the masala section back

[@trendafile6356]

Actually women have not been monogamous throughout history. Before the introduction of marriage / religion, women would have sex with who ever and then the community would raise the kids together (not knowing who the father was). This was the norm. This "monogamy marriage" is something quite new considering how many years we have existed on this planet.

[@michealbadman6411]

no, most societies, men got very jealous and would kill people over women. They still do that.

[@UnknownHuman2000]

Really? Which society was this? Any sources to back this up?

[@trendafile6356]

@@UnknownHuman2000 Ester Perel mentioned this. Also there is a book but i dont remember the name

[@salmabegum7818]

Salam brother Abu layth, can u please do a video on the great scholer from muriatania has passed shaykh salek bin Siddina it would be a great appreciation. Thanks you.

[@ashfaqaslam2227]

Doesn't care about what they do ....polyandry or polygamy ...for me that's a showoff .....but finding one and only important person is the hardest thing comparing harem culture...so i choose the hard way 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@mohammedumarfarhan9900]

In Europe they r more woman than men so polygamy is necessary

[@vicsyy332]

I like that you try to base it on science. But most animals are not monogamous. Of the 4,000 mammals on earth, less than 5% practice it. You must be thinking about birds. 90% of birds are socially monogamous.

[@laagislaag]

I love the mufti, but this is just completed nonsense unfortunately. "The female species" as he referred to is not a thing. Furthermore, in many species polyandry van be found and in fact there exist to this day human cultures where polyandry is the norm. So no, there might be an answer to that question, but this is not it.

[@r9nger]

This would be an appeal to nature fallacy if it wasn't completely inaccurate in the first place. First of all, marriage is a uniquely human practice so to compare human relationships to animal relationships is highly problematic. No animal (male or female) is monogamous in the same sense as a human being who marries one person. Despite this, polyandry is observed amongst insects, birds and mammals. According to a paper by Taylor, Price and Wedell, it can even be deemed common. I greatly appreciate that mufti saab said that it's not about telling people what to do because "women wouldn't want it so only men should be allowed to do it" would have been horrible reasoning, not worthy of an intelligent man.

[@KumarK-xm9np]

I am terrible at biology but I heard that among all the animals human females are exception who actually enjoys sex. Other animal females either don't enjoy it or feel pain. Last time I checked there were almost 8000 reverse harem romance novel on Amazon Kindle where the female main characters were in RELATIONSHIP with more than 1 men (it was a recent trend which almost exploded). Also, probably most Japanese Otome games have options to end up with more than one husband if you end up liking more characters. And also most western and korean romanic movies and dramas have love triangles generally involving 2 men and 1 women but not vice versa . I think the success of BTS also was because they have cute boys who are very faminine and friendly to each other (rather than the usual dominant type). So, it seems human females also fantasies about multiple men/d*ck (but average men seems to be less beautiful than average women, so it's not that rewarding unless you are 0.01% of rich women who can afford cute boys). Do you think top human females would have practiced polygamy if they had the physical advantage? With modern technology physical advantage does not matter much and men and women are equal (at least in some places) which means men's dominance has decreased. Consequently, we are seeing more women practising open relationship without getting condemn as whore. One the other hand men are seen more negatively when they have multiple wives (previously it was seen as status thing). Do you think men and women both want polygamy but the dominant sex gets to have it rather than anything to do with sexual desire (after all luckily women won't find similar type of d*ck every time they remove pants and also every face is different). I think, some dominant queens had harem of young boys in the past (bold move for that time). I know women can't have more children just by increasing by number of men. But I am asking from a sexual point of view. Mufti Menk made it seem like women would find it terrible with multiple men but it seems more like society telling them men are bad (which is true a lot of time but I definitely won't say women are angels tho) rather than being anything to do with biology. Also, according to society you are a whore if you want multiple men.

[@khanG-gq9hc]

Mufti said generally female species are monogamous which is what it also says online

[@r9nger]

​@@khanG-gq9hc he said "across species" and implied that human females be defying the laws of nature if they were to have an affinity for polyandry.

[@khanG-gq9hc]

@@r9nger which they dont generally speaking. Just google it. Its saying the same thing as mufti

[@r9nger]

@@khanG-gq9hc you cannot apply a generalization to make an accurate point.

[@khanG-gq9hc]

Brilliant answer especially the hypothesis, up until then it wasnt too clear. That example is definitely true

[@lifechoices6643]

There's a big difference between fantasies and actually acting out something

[@blackglitter1474]

Women carry offspring. Polyandry would make it very unclear who the father is (especially in those days). However, Khadija was married previously. She then married the Prophet. When I read about the temporary marriage Shias practice, it became clear that in those days you just needed a contract and you needed to manage your intimate relationships so everyone knew who the father was. however, these temporary short lived marriages were discouraged because it wasnt great for the kids

[@serm900]

Is it allowed for men to marry 4 wives ONLY in exceptional times like war, rather than being the norm?

[@givemeyourberries]

Polygany in Islam is not a conditional thing, its allowed for Men, and its the way Allah intended it to be.

[@imranharith8936]

Man are allowed 2,3,4 wives, but if can't be just, only 1. Man who can't be just in taking of them, will be resurrected amputate condition and would be enter hellfire if bad deeds more than his good deeds.

[@frblaze2]

@@imranharith8936 Not sure there is a limit of 4.... 4 was 1500 years ago, not sure how those numbers fit today

[@imranharith8936]

​​​​​@@frblaze2year 1900-1960 were fits 2-3 wives, 1960-2010 were fits 1-2 wives. In year 2010 above, an employer or bussiness man able to do that 1 or 2 wives employee man with basics salary would only fits 1 or unmarried, which both husband and wive working.

[@imranharith8936]

​@@frblaze22030, UN targeting both men and women would fill working sector, rich become richer, poor become poorer.

[@Ibrahim-qd5ck]

Brilliantly explained

[@chamchagiri3186]

Mother mother? Which of my four fathers is my biological father? (Replying to the other three after a dna) o mere mother ke yaar accha soyein? - o the lover of my mother did you have a nice sleep last night? How very interesting guftagoo!!

[@HFC786]

Cause so many issues with finding who’s child etc

[@Rifatbinmaruf]

DNA testing

[@gladiator8192]

​@@Rifatbinmaruf not practical

[@HFC786]

@@Rifatbinmaruf who’s child is only one of the reasons. Also dna tests didn’t exist until recently and dna test isn’t 100% accurate

[@Rifatbinmaruf]

@@HFC786 We are talking about now not the past. And if the husbands are not related then there shouldn't be any issue with the DNA accuracy.

[@HFC786]

@@Rifatbinmaruf so you want to change sharī’āh and allow women to carry out polygamy because of tech

[@ibizawavey8630]

The lady that asked that question is definitely Somalian female from the L haplogroup. The testosterone is high all around in that group.

[@ashfaqaslam2227]

Rare genetics...i guess

[@clarejones2421]

@@ashfaqaslam2227 be careful she’s a moderate on the livestream sometimes 😂🤣

[@walkingwith_dinosaurs]

I listened to a neurosciencist's lecture about polygamy and he said that the commonly heard concept of men being polygamous "by nature" is false🤡 We both men and women are wired to stay together at least unrill the offspring is able to survive without the 2 parents.

[@thecritiquer9407]

what neuroscientists has to do with social relation. these scientists should keep their views seperate from their doctorate

[@walkingwith_dinosaurs]

@@thecritiquer9407 lmao do know how brain functions?

[@shoaibbhat279]

You're knocking at wrong door ! Neurobiology has nothing to do with dealing with human relationships in history except a little!

[@thecritiquer9407]

@@walkingwith_dinosaurs i hope u have common sense to know brain functioning & human functioning r entirely independent field with whatsoever so established undeniable link

[@frblaze2]

Because a woman can't have two masters

[@KumarK-xm9np]

But a master can have multiple salves 😂😂. You've perfectly described the relationship between husband and wife in Islam. I respect you for being honest but a lot of muslims will deny you. But I don't think husband and wife relationship should be master slaves or father children. Just because some masters treated their slaves good that didn't stop us from banning slavery altogether. It's the same with husband wife relationship.

[@frblaze2]

@@KumarK-xm9np nope it's actually just an expression When I say slave, it means the wife is still beneath the husband in a hierarchy Just like a math teacher is higher than the students if in a university where the students may be 40 years old I don't mean treating them literally like a slave... Just like when I go to work... At the job I am a sort of slave to my manager.. The opposite can never be true... If a man came to your home and said.... Meh I think I'll uhh take your wife for a few hours... That just doesn't work... However if a woman comes in and takes the husband she may feel jealous but it doesn't go beyond that... The man is responsible for himself and the woman, the woman doesn't have real power over the men...

[@waleeyahya198]

@@KumarK-xm9np why are you so obsessed then? Oil your own baseless ideologies!

[@TheFatMan]

​@@KumarK-xm9np ram namaste tomatoes hogay sastay

[@KumarK-xm9np]

@@TheFatMan I do understand some Hindi but I am not from India nor am I a Hindu but I like Indian culture a lot. I guess you mentioned "Ram" the avatar of Vishnu as well as said "Hello" in Sanskrit and tometos, cheap etc but I don't understand the meaning of your sentence.