Why China Abandoned Taiwan in 1895?

[@Whisk3yKnight]

I’ve always wondered about this. In school they always just explained it as “Japan took Korea, Manchuria and Taiwan”, never explaining how it came to be

[@GhostCountries]

Oh, yeah; there's so much more to those chapters of history and, honestly, we barely scratched the surface about what was going on in Korea then. I definitely think we'll revisit the topic at some point and we've been planning on the State of Manchuria (aka Manchukuo) for a while now!

[@isthisthekrustykrab_]

@@GhostCountries Yes! I can't wait for the Manchuria video! :)

[@BlueBuckJS]

@@isthisthekrustykrab_ Same here!!!

[@MariaCorrea-mr2gy]

Mostly because we live in the west. And while we take "universal history" it has always been about Europe and the Americas, but only when it affects Europe. To be fair, it is important but they should change the subject's name.

[@BlueBuckJS]

@@MariaCorrea-mr2gy Fair point and you see that front and center with news coverage of current events outside the West as well.

[@paiwanhan]

In Taiwan the story is that Liu disguised himself as an old lady aboard the British merchant ship. His disgraceful escape left the saying A-pô làng-káng in the Taigi language, literally meaning a grandma's harbor dash, to describe someone doing anything to escape. None of the figures mentioned were truly locals though, they were all Qing appointed officials, so they all chose to ran when they find themselves staring down the Japanese barrel. It was the locals who did the real fighting, like Ǹg-tông Hîn, Kiông Shàu-zú, Tân Tshiu-kiok, Kán Tāi-Sai, and Lîm Siáu-niau. Some of them resisted for years after the Japanese takeover of the island.

[@paiwanhan]

By the way, Liu was discovered aboard the British merchant vessel Thales. The Japanese warship Yaeyama detained the Thales, boarded the vessel by force, discovered Liu Yongfu in his old lady disguise, and wanted to remove them from the Thales. That's when the captain of the Thales accused such act as against International law, and the two ships were in stalemate for days. The British diplomat in Tokyo launched a formal complaint along with the French to the Japanese government, eventually forcing the Japanese to admit they were in the wrong and the people in charge of IJN Yaeyama would be punished. Not only did Japan have to pay the owner of Thales for their losses, the Yaeyama must perform gun salutes to the Thales as they leave as an apology. That's how Liu was able to return to China, despite failing to play a convincing old lady.

[@paiwanhan]

@BlackPantherJamal Catholic and Christian missionaries brought similar romanization schemes to most prominent tonal Asian languages. In Taiwan it's often referred to as Church Romanization, which was used to publish the first news paper in Taiwan by Christian missionaries before the Japanese aquired the island.

[@mariposabay4006]

​@BlackPantherJamal😂Whom is he trying to fool? He is just sharing information!

[@cannyeyes382]

The real owners of Taiwan are the Astronesean ethnic groups, so China should not claim that island and especially should not go to China.

[@youtubedeletedmyaccountlma2263]

@455ch33k 汝好，我臆汝嘛是看無，讀無。Google TRanslate 嘛是予汝鬥跤手袂著

[@Andominicus]

Been watching you since the Rio Grande Republic, you're doing us all a favour making this content, man

[@GhostCountries]

Oh, wow; thank you so much dude!

[@jiayizhou323]

Your videos are always amazing and I can learn a lot from them.Thank you! 😊

[@GhostCountries]

Oh, thank you Jiayi; that’s so nice of you!

[@NoobHammer]

You are super underrated. Just subscribed. Love from PH.

[@GhostCountries]

Oh, thanks for the sub! We’ve actually got a fair amount of content planned for the Philippines too. Don’t know when exactly that’ll be going up though.

[@kreg857]

Not using countryballs, IMO, make it look less amaturish, so I appreciate this change. I really like the map&portrait styles and choice of the topic, while rather obscure, but seldom covered by the mainstream media.

[@GhostCountries]

Hey, thanks; yeah, we’ve been slowly implementing some stylistic changes and phasing out countryballs is one of those. Glad you noticed the other stuff as well, been tweaking our maps for quite a while now, and we’ve got plenty more topics like this planned!

[@Artur_M.]

It is such an interesting topic, it managed for a moment to divert my attention from the history happening right now, way closer to my country. BTW, as I understand, the resistance of some Taiwanese people (especially some indigenous groups) against Japanese rule continued, up to the Musha Incident/Wushe Rebellion in 1930.

[@GhostCountries]

Thanks Artur and you're correct. Even though Japan did conquer and occupy the island of Taiwan in 1895, there were still a number of battles fought by Formosan militias, including the Battle of Changhsing/Battle of the Burning Village that November. You also had a number of uprisings, like the Tapani incident in 1915, and guerrilla warfare in more remote parts of the island, which Japan never really exercised full control over. I've actually looked into the Musha Incident/Wushe Rebellion myself and we may do an episode about it - especially if we reboot Ghost Events - because it mostly is forgotten nowadays, despite it being a particularly dark chapter of Japan's occupation of Taiwan.

[@nomad9135]

I would personally be down for a video just about that!

[@johnwatkinsjr2878]

Cool video! A video about the Japanese invasion of Manchuria (1931), the invasion of Rehe Province and the conquest of the Great Wall (1933), and the annexation of East Hebei (as Hopeh-Chahar political council) and the events leading to the Double-Seven Incident (Lugou/Marco Polo Bridge Incident) and the Tongzhou mutiny would be cool, unknown parts of what was the leadup for the Second Sino-Japanese war (and the Shanghai incident of February 1932 would be interesting too).

[@WeilinVideos]

congratulations for this very good historical video! I am Brazilian and my dad is from Taiwan, and I always wondered about Taiwan history.

[@GhostCountries]

Oh, wow; really glad you enjoyed the video! I think we'll revisit Taiwan in some future videos and we've definitely got a few things planned for Brazil on the channel.

[@etahhcumosevahi]

Should ask your dad what year Taiwan was established. If he knows his history, he’ll tell you 1949. And if you’re observant, you’ll wonder to yourself, how was Taiwan abandoned in 1895 when the country didn’t even exist prior to 1949.

[@huabinsitu6459]

Conviently forgot the part where the "new republic" was supported by the Qing Dynasty and its founding memebers were Qing Loyalist. Their founding era name was Yong Qing which means forever Qing. The succession of the Republic of Taiwan is literally just a way for Qing forces to continue to resist Japanese forces after the treaty has been signed.

[@m.b.e.2334]

Very underrated channel. Keep it up bro and I am sure you'll succeed.

[@GhostCountries]

Thanks man; I appreciate it and we’ve got plenty more planned for the channel!

[@kirbyward2001]

Great video Glad to see the entire production!

[@GhostCountries]

Oh, thank you so much and yeah, sorry about the delay on our side.

[@taotao98103]

Xi Jingping never said Taiwan was part of PRC. China said Taiwan and Mainland are both part of China. How do you define China is up to government from both sides of the Taiwan strait. It can be interpreted as PRC or ROC.

[@mimorisenpai8540]

China he mean is prc

[@taotao98103]

@@mimorisenpai8540 That's the lie Taiwan DPP has been saying, but 92 consensus already said both sides of the strait are one China and which China is depending on which government. PRC accepts ROC. Xi jinping Even said, it's OK even if Taiwan don't want 92 consensus, as long as you think you are have Chinese ancestry, China will respect Taiwan's sovereignty and will not invade.

[@SignoreGalilei]

I was literally just in Taiwan yesterday! Love the video, you showed me quite a lot about this short lived republic.

[@GhostCountries]

Oh, wow; that's an awesome coincidence man! Glad you liked the video, we've got plenty more Asia-related content planned.

[@BBarNavi]

Hope the visit was good for you!

[@ScarletRebel96]

This channel is amazing glad i found it

[@GhostCountries]

Oh, we're glad you found the channel too!

[@derjurator1157]

Great Video! Keep up this work!

[@GhostCountries]

Thank you! Glad you liked the video.

[@ChancellorOfHistory]

I Love this Time Period, Please make more Around the time period of 1836-1924 (don't ask why so specific).

[@GhostCountries]

Oh, no need to explain 😅; I think that's honestly my main time period of interest as well!

[@florendilhobbit2099]

Very Well scripted Video, I'm excited of what will become of this Channel :)

[@GhostCountries]

Oh, thank you so much; we've got plenty more planned for the channel, including more Asia-related content!

[@mikewant5230]

Your title is misleading. Japan defeated China and occupied Taiwan for reward in the win.

[@NightPhoenix.Y]

Yeah, the 'rule' of conquest, somehow became 'oh they gave up and just gave us the land. Dude thousands die in the war wdym

[@kaitoshinichi]

Was the term 'China' used then?

[@mimorisenpai8540]

Yes

[@Global_majesty]

2:50 What bgm did you use?

[@GhostCountries]

Sao Meo Orchestral Mix by Doug Maxwell and Zac Zinger via the KZbin Audio Library.

[@py8554]

Well what the video didn’t say is that Shimonoseki Treaty even forced Qing to abandon the Liaodong Peninsula and cede it to Japan. The region was close to Peking, the capital of Qing Dynasty, and was ruled by various dynasties of China since the Warring States Period in 4th century BC, including Han, Tang, and Ming. Also it’s considered part of Manchuria, Qing’s ancestral homeland. It was only because of the joint intervention by Russia, Germany and France that Qing managed to keep Liaodong Peninsula. Comparatively Taiwan is a lot more marginal in every sense, of symbolism, strategic position, economic value and population loss.

[@darkfool2000]

The video did mention that, but Germany, France, and Russia intervened, and forced Japan to withdraw from Liaodong. At that point, the Japanese navy was not strong enough to fight the combined navy forces that those countries had in east Asia.

[@mimorisenpai8540]

​@@darkfool2000 because European don't want China got occupied by other powers.

[@LLENN0420]

0:06 If the name of the country is fully stated, then the name of the country of Taiwan Island must also be stated, the Republic of China 🇹🇼.

[@gabrielisaaccalmelor1949]

I have a video idea for you, did you know that the kingdom/protectorate of Sarawak now one of the states of Malaysia was ruled by an English/European rajah dynasty for a hundred years,it is quite interesting

[@GhostCountries]

I was just looking into it a bit (on Wikipedia it was called the Raj of Sarawak), but it’s a really interesting story and we’ve been honestly thinking about doing more Southeast Asian content!

[@gabrielisaaccalmelor1949]

@@GhostCountries the most interesting part is the locals actually invited Mr Brook to be their raja

[@yewsoonfatt]

because it was Manchurian Dynasty in China during that time. Manchurian thought that it was fine to give up Taiwan island since the island are chinese island not manchurian island, they dont feel guilty of doing it

[@tsuze8243]

台灣島從來都不是中國島。當時只有少數中國移民到台灣島為荷蘭人工作或者跟隨國姓爺在部分區域屯墾，且只限於少數沿海區域。台灣島大部分的區域都是兇悍南島原住民的領地，尤其是山區及台灣島南端，是滿州王朝管轄不到的區域，也幾乎毫無中國移民。台灣島的統一管轄遲至20世紀初期，才由日本人完成。

[@rcbrascan]

@@tsuze8243 Even though it was under the Manchu Dynasty, China was still administered by Han Chinese. There was also no Chinese in Xinjiang and Tibet but the Manchu Dynasty considered them part of China which applies to Taiwan too.

[@mkmkmk9536]

Wow! Fascinating😮

[@GhostCountries]

Thanks Matt!

[@Natenie]

Thanks for covering this for my country's short lived yet mesmerizing self declared republic past.

[@GhostCountries]

Oh, really glad you came across the video! There’s a lot more to Taiwan’s history and we’ve got some other videos planned that cover different chapters, like Japanese occupation, etc.

[@peekaboopeekaboo1165]

Chinese people founded the Yong Qing in Taiwan.

[@SshadykK]

welcome back ghost countries, you have been missed xx

[@BlueBuckJS]

Imperial Japan's history is just really fascinating. Personally, I'd love to see a video about Sakhalin or maybe even the Kuril Islands!

[@GhostCountries]

Yes, definitely! We're actually planning to reboot our "Ghost Geography" miniseries in the next few months and both would fit perfectly. Also, I'm just really interested in Imperial Japanese history; so, it's going to happen no matter what eventually...hahaha

[@BlueBuckJS]

@@GhostCountries Great!!!

[@VChong1991]

Theres nothing fascinating about a group of butchers.

[@ftu2021]

i take that you are a big fan of Nazi Germany's history as well?

[@gangwu4541]

Imperial Japan history was nothing but shameful.

[@raphlvlogs271]

Taiwans location was considered highly strategic for colonisation and expansion

[@foreverie2626]

was???

[@mimorisenpai8540]

For expansion to southeast asia

[@memofromessex]

Another territory that Britain was offered but refused, there must be a long list - I can think of a few including Belgium, Iceland, Greenland, Faroe Islands, etc. I know there were more outside of Europe.

[@nomad9135]

Really interesting video! Oh, and just a couple of questions: wasn't there an earlier invasion of Taiwan by the Japanese as well? Plus, I think there were attempts to colonize the island going all the way back to the Tokugawa shogunate, right?

[@GhostCountries]

Thanks and you're correct: Japan led a punitive expedition to Taiwan in 1874, in retaliation for the killing of 54 sailors by aboriginal Taiwanese. This also kind of led Qing dynasty China to recognizing Japan's suzerainty over the Ryukyu Islands. And yes, there were a couple of attempts to colonize Taiwan, the most famous of which being that Murayama Tōan from Nagasaki. Honestly, I really want to cover that in a future video; so, I think you'll be hearing more about it at some point down the line!

[@CallingAllTortoises]

@@GhostCountries I might be referring to the same event but didn’t the American navy do the same thing around that time period?

[@mariposabay4006]

​@CallingAllTortoises There were conflicts, yes, but not in the form of invasion and colonization. US has conselor set up in Penghu Island and trade post in Southern Taiwan.

[@the193thdoctor5]

Republic of Formosa was extremely controversial. Supporters of Taiwanese independence (pan green) sees this as the start of their republic. However, from the Declaration of Independence it is clear that the republic is anti-Japanese but not anti-Qing. In fact, it wishes to be a tributary state of Qing China. (The Declaration of Independence is literally filled with crazy praises of the “Great Qing” ) This video is slightly biased because it downplays this fact, which really agitates many people. Please take more respect in both sides argument when talking about controversial topics.

[@jeromebesson]

Well put. The ROF or ROT with Chinese characteristics, what a Sinic joke!

[@OptimusMonk01]

Thanks, President Xi

[@the193thdoctor5]

@@OptimusMonk01 I am not standing from any political view but merely states a fact. This is essentially just history modified to serve political purposes.

[@ALWH1314]

China didn’t “abandon” Taiwan, it was lost like Hong Kong, Macau, Mongolia and part of Siberia due to loss in war. 1945 Potsdam declaration clear stated the return of Taiwan and surrounding islands along with 9 dash line South China Sea territory to China. Potsdam is located in Germany and declaration was signed by US, UK, Russia and China (France was just liberated from WW2, didn’t participate the meeting). The Chinese government was Republic of China who later lost mainland to communist in civil war. There is never any treaty between two Chinese governments and has been in war since 1926, briefly paused during Japanese invasion. I know because I served in Republic of China navy for two years and our annual exercises were always landing in mainland to retake our homeland (both exercises were closely escorted by US seventh fleet, US blocked we launching attack even they were weak in recovering from culture revolution, we had stronger military force and better weapons back then).

[@vulpes7079]

Macau was not lost in war. It was rented from the Ming Dynasty onwards

[@tsuze8243]

《波茨坦公告》完全無國際法效力，中國共產黨和中國國民黨喜歡以波茨坦公告來定義臺灣以及南海9段線領土，但18世紀以來文明國家定義任何土地的歸屬都必須根據合法的國際條約。目前南海爭議正是因為中國堅持波茨坦公告提及的南海9段線，且忽視國際法庭判決而與文明世界不斷發生衝突。

[@jeromebesson]

@ALWH1314 11 The Chinese on both shores of the strait have this mania of ignoring international law to better shield their preposterous claim from the uncomfortable truth. They both ignore the April 17, 1895 Treaty of Shimonoseki that cancels any future Chinese claim to Taiwan. And they ignore the September 8, 1951 San Francisco Peace Treaty that did not cede Japanese Taiwan to China. Contrastingly, Chinese from both shores of the Taiwan Strait, always love to remember the Cairo press release, a mere war time statement of intention. But they never quote that innocuous clause of said unsigned press release: “The Three Great Allies ... covet no gain for themselves and have no thought of territorial expansion." When the US dropped Chiang “Peanut” Cash-my-check on Japanese Taiwan, “Peanut” had already signed the UN Charter. “Peanut” knew that under UN Charter articles 73 and 76, his mission was to shepherd Taiwan, a colonial possession taken from the enemy, toward independence. “Peanut” knew that China would only be able to control Taiwan as a UN trust territory and for a limited amount of time. For example, the UN entrusted Italy with supervising the progresses of its former colonial possessions in Africa. Within ten years those territories became independent. The same fate awaited former Japanese Taiwan under the Atlantic Charter and UN Charter-prescribed right of self-determination of colonized peoples. Unfortunately for Japanese Taiwan, American useful idiots unloaded their chattel of Chinese laborers of THE RAPE OF JAPAN (Chinese: 日本大屠殺) on Japanese Taiwan with mission to occupy it. In our civilized world military occupation does not mean annexation. But try teaching this to uncouth Chinese warlords. The September 8, 1951 San Francisco Peace Treaty (SFPT) ceded Taiwan neither to the Chinese people not to Taiwan inhabitants who deemed themselves Chinese in accordance with “Refuse Of China” (ROC) law unlawfully and hastily applied by fiat on WWII allies-occupied JAPANESE Taiwan. Owing to SFPT article 2 (b), the allied powers of WWII and Japan, together 49 nations, remember that neither the Chinese people, nor “Refuse of China “ (ROC) people enjoy the sovereignty of Taiwan. Recognizing the importance of SFPT as regards post-WWII Taiwan’s unsolved international status helps understanding why: - the US never recognized the sovereignty of Taiwan to the Chinese the US had unloaded on Japanese Taiwan on Oct. 25, 1945; - UN Resolution 2758 does not impinge on the still undecided international status of Taiwan; - the US and other allied powers only take note (tongue in cheek) of the preposterous claim common to the Chinese on both banks of the Strait of Taiwan, that Taiwan belongs to China; - the Taiwan Relation Act (TRA) alludes to “the people ON Taiwan” instead of “the people OF Taiwan”. The January 1, 1979 “Taiwan Relations Act” (TRA) speaks of “the people ON Taiwan“ (在台人民) instead of “the people OF Taiwan” (台灣人民) with well-founded reasons. The TRA is grounded into the SFPT. US Congress took into account the unlawful January 1946 mass naturalization of Taiwanese Japanese Komins and the September 8, 1951 San Francisco Peace Treaty territorial disposition article 2 (b) that did not cede Taiwan to China, to any China. As pointed out in the TRA through its use of the phrase “the people ON Taiwan (在台人民), all “Refuse of China” (ROC) passport-holders, that is the whole population of Taiwan, are deemed Chinese and alien on non-Chinese, formerly Japanese and currently US-protected Taiwan. One can not be Chinese or deem oneself Chinese and enjoy the sovereignty of Taiwan. As long as “Refuse of China (ROC) retains currency ON Taiwan, the whole population of Taiwan remains “the people ON Taiwan” instead of “the people OF Taiwan”. The international status of such Taiwan will remain indefinitely undetermined. To normalize its currently undetermined international status, Taiwan needs to renounce "Refuse Of China" (ROC) and renegade Chinese Kinmen and Mazu Territory (renegade Chinese KMT). Chinese KMT stalwarts managed to betray the intent of Congress and the letter of TRA when in their Chinese language translation of the “Taiwan Relations Act”, they intentionally translated the original “people ON Taiwan” (在台人民) into “the people OF Taiwan” (台灣人民). That malign translation error misled true natives of Taiwan, Lee Deng-hui, Chen Shui-bian and Tsai Ing-wen, into upholding that cringe, that bane of Taiwan, “Refuse Of China” (ROC). SFPT Signatory powers enjoy equal right to occupy former Japanese Taiwan. SFPT signatory powers should take the lead in laying down the law and drawing their clear collective red line so that China can no longer misconstrue each partner country’s “one China policy” as slavish rehash of its own preposterous ’one China principle”.

[@mimorisenpai8540]

Macau is rented by Ming to Portuguese. Hongkong is rented by Qing to British. Postdam war actually never mention about giving Taiwan back to ROC but US just let ROC took over because KMT are their allied. PRC, ROC, US, and Japan still not make agreement about status of Taiwan.

[@Sad.vocate]

Thanks to General knowledge I am able to enjoy this type of content, which by the way is a perfect suggestion for me

[@BioluminescentTree]

Why didn't you cover the subsequent history of what arguably became the biggest success story among Japan's colonies. Not even a mention. Too abrupt an ending.

[@GhostCountries]

Hey, thanks for the comment. We didn't cover the history of Taiwan under Japanese rule because this video is limited to just the Republic of Formosa, but we do have a completely separate video planned for the Japanese colony, as well as some other aspects of Taiwanese history!

[@BioluminescentTree]

@@GhostCountries That's great, thank you for answering!

[@tiro_taiwan]

The flag of the Republic of Formosa could be seen at the beginning of the movie Seediq Bale.

[@N8teyrve]

What happened before the Qing?

[@樹數-r3d]

清帝國之前是大割據時代由本土原住民和荷蘭及渡海來台的漢人各自為政

[@toptohyekoms]

the title should be "Why the founding fathers of Taiwan abandoned Taiwan and seek refuge to China"

[@ToyotomiHideyoshiGre]

The history of Japan at that time is interesting. The story of the Bando POW camp, the rescue of British soldiers by Shunsaku Kudo, the construction of a dam by Yoichi Hatta in Taiwan, involvement in the Battle of Kinmen Island by Lieutenant General Nemoto, etc.

[@GhostCountries]

Definitely, there's a lot of stories from that period of Japanese history that aren't very well known outside Japan. I'm sure we'll highlight more than a few of them in some future episodes!

[@PUT-h3r]

China did not abandon Taiwan in 1895. It was taken by Japan from the weakened China then and colonized by the Japanese. following the Sino-Japanese war, like how HK was taken by the Brit in 1842 in the Opium war.

[@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714]

Taiwan has been seperate from China for 125 years. It is very much an independant country.

[@youtubedeletedmyaccountlma2263]

I do hope you include more about Taiwan before China occupation. Aka the colonial powers before Taiwan as well as before colonial powers where aboriginal tribes fight war against each other

[@SewolHoONCE]

¿How is the King of Tonga related to the Beautiful Sweet Potato Island indigenous peoples as they were before 1600CE?

[@GhostCountries]

We do have plans for other videos relating to Taiwan before and after the events of this one. I can't say exactly when those will come out - we've got a lot scheduled for the channel already - but they will definitely happen!

[@SewolHoONCE]

@@GhostCountries Acknowledged: ONCE Sensei & Relationship Vigilantes are connected to Beautiful Sweet Potato Island by one, specific person: 周(孫子)子瑜

[@kakistocracyusa]

This video is a very China-centric version of Formosa history.

[@katokibugga]

Why are you showing the South Korean flag to represent Korea?

[@GhostCountries]

It looks pretty similar, but that's actually the national flag of Great Joseon c. 1893. There's quite a few variants of the Taegeukgi and we might explore the history of Korea's flags more in-depth at some point on the channel!

[@seventian6117]

The flag was granted by then Qing emperor to Korea.

[@stevengreen9536]

Portuguese: Ah we have discovered an uncharted Island. China: WTF!? Dude we have known about that island centuries before you guys showed up.

[@OptimusMonk01]

Your video doesn't answer the question the title asks

[@shawnchen3229]

Haha, abandoned.. like it's a choice,why you abandoned your money to a robber

[@thelastdefenderofcamelot5623]

I don't think you understand the situation here. what do you expect when the Beiyang Fleet has been wiped out?

[@shawnchen3229]

@@thelastdefenderofcamelot5623 it was occupied by Japanese,not abandoned by Chinese,it’s not the same thing

[@KeithTKO]

Japan invaded Taiwan? If you say so. What’s next.

[@lordfarquaad9238]

Next topic please why taiwan don’t have a distinct civilization on its own ryokyu island is very small but manage to create multiple kingdoms why taiwan don’t manage to have that feats? Specially it’s proximity to china it always fascinates me that there is tribute from china as far as sri lanka, indonesia and Iran why taiwan that merely a distance to china is not a tributary state of china not until 16th century???

[@peekaboopeekaboo1165]

Chinese people settled in Taiwan ... thus making it a Chinese territory.

[@樹數-r3d]

​@@peekaboopeekaboo1165定居的不是中國人是清帝國人

[@powergrassp7769]

This map is wrong，The Manchurians never controlled the whole of Taiwan, only the western part of Taiwan，The Qing Dynasty did not even know the whole island of Taiwan，You can see it on their map

[@powergrassp7769]

Also, the Manchu people are not Chinese, and The Manchus were conquerors of China（han people） , Just like Mongolia used to be,however, with the help of Japanese,Russian and Western weapons, China occupied Manchuria,that's what led to this situation

[@mint8648]

This is true

[@powergrassp7769]

@@mint8648 The technical term for a place like this is Zomia

[@nanjiang1953]

⁠You are wrong. By the royal abdication decree of the last Manchu emperor Puyi, the whole Qing empire including Manchuria and Outer Mongolia was to be handed over to the Republic of China. It’s the will of the emperor. Puyi also became the citizen of the People’s Republic of China in his later years.

[@powergrassp7769]

@@nanjiang1953 I'm afraid you are wrong, baby, the Manchu emperor transferred power under the pressure of Yuan Shikai, you should know that Yuan's Republic of China and Sun's Republic of China were not the same, they were both competing for the position of the spokesman of Japan, the so-called Republic of China was never really established, it was only a piece of government. The real control of Manchuria was actually Japan and Russia, Yuan and Sun were pro-Japanese, and later Sun was abandoned by Japan, turned to the Soviet Union, and became a Russian proxy

[@majormung8304]

Minor note the Peng Hu islamds are pronounced Pung Hu

[@winstonweng]

唐景崧，丘逢甲，劉勇福。

[@winstonweng]

唐景崧，丘逢甲，劉永福。

[@I_love_mbs]

I thought this was an Dim Sum Cooking Show.

[@chrisgunson248]

You skipped the whole 1870s Japanese reprisal for Taiwanese indigenous killing of Okinawa fishermen.

[@PhantomOfManyTopics]

Forced to give up

[@alfred-vz8ti]

japan kicked russia into politeness, and took taiwan from ching empire. the people there were chinese, for the most part, but ching was in no condition to argue with someone who could turn russian fleet upside down, twice. times changed, japan lost the war, jiang reclaimed the island. good thing too- he needed a flight room when china became prc. taiwan was still universally called 'china,' but most of china disagreed who should run it. prc will recover taiwan, one way or another. i think ultimately they will frighten usg into recognizing realty, and without usg support, taiwan will submit. how to frighten usg? how about a chinese military base in cuba? how about commercial pact with mexico? how about enlisting most of s. america in brics? you see the plan. the american empire is blowing away with last years winter leaves. the grand army remains, but the commercial base is gone.

[@ryuthedokkebi]

Can you do the People's Republic of Korea? (not to be confused with North Korea)

[@GhostCountries]

Yes, definitely; I also have to say the PRK had a really nice flag design!

[@hominhmai5325]

Japan sbould have established permanent colony there

[@GhostCountries]

It was so close a number of times. We might actually have a mini episode on Murayama Tōan’s 1616 expedition to colonize Taiwan; or, that might just be tied into an episode about Japan’s occupation of Taiwan after 1895.

[@jan_darysh]

Even if Taiwanese people want it, Japanese people do not.

[@jeromebesson]

@@GhostCountries "Japan"s occupation"?!! You get corrected. Read my comment above.

[@NightPhoenix.Y]

Ainu and Ryukyus be like: No! No no no no. God plz no. No! No no... Oh God plz no 😭😭

[@ftu2021]

@@NightPhoenix.Y arent Ainu's part of Hokkaido?

[@byhyew]

Luzon should be part of Taiwan.

[@GhostCountries]

I could maybe see the Batanes, but all of Luzon would definitely make for a big change.

[@BYMNF]

I am Vietnamese and I was very interested in this video because Liu Yongfu is kind of a hero in our history

[@GhostCountries]

We're definitely going to explore the Black Flag Army and how it related to Vietnam's history more in some future episodes!

[@martjnmao6808]

Next do why Mexico abandoned California, or why Palestine abandoned coastal Palestine.

[@shafsteryellow]

?

[@seoul_9584]

Qing is not China. Its more like Indian empire under the british rule.

[@七月-x8q]

english are indians?But manchu people are chinese, the rayal family learn chinese , speak chinese, and act like chinese.

[@NightPhoenix.Y]

​@@七月-x8qyeah they are basically China's equivalent to the mughuls. And like many mughuls if you can even call them that now, are indistinguishable from 'indian' much like how you can't tell between manchu and Chinese. To be fair the Chinese and Manchu both influenced each other and sort of melded together but not fully, idk like an American Italian, you can kinda tell he's Italian but he just your average murica joe

[@etahhcumosevahi]

That’s amazing considering Taiwan didn’t exist until 1949. The PRC took over China in 1949, expelling the ROC to the island of Formosa, AKA Taiwan. Prior to 1949, ROC was at the head of China. So there was no Taiwan to abandon.

[@peekaboopeekaboo1165]

Stupid propaganda. Ching-China already had appointed officials to govern Taiwan.

[@beta199355]

Qing Dynasty don't actually effectively rule the whole island, their rule only exist on the western coast of the island

[@martjnmao6808]

"Autonomy bad"

[@mint8648]

Japan almost sold Taiwan to france

[@GhostCountries]

Honestly, I wonder how that would’ve changed the island’s history. We’ll for sure talk about that in a episode we have planned that covers the Japanese occupation of Taiwan.

[@NightPhoenix.Y]

Oh god not the fr*nch.

[@GabrielalmightyTanzania]

Why is China claiming Taiwan is theirs now?? 😂 💔

[@樹數-r3d]

為了維護牠們的統治合法性的最後掙扎

[@julientyt]

Taiwan has never been a part of PRC for a second

[@Austine1452]

it's a part of china

[@Austine1452]

North Korea has never been a part of of the republic of Korea aka South Korea. that doesn't change the fact it's still Korea

[@beta199355]

@@Austine1452 no, it is not. Because Qing China even cannot govern the whole island. The eastern coast and inland of the island only being colonize by Japan but never from the Qing Government. So the nationalist China don't even have the rights to govern the whole island after the Japanese surrender in WW2

[@jeromebesson]

@julien4286's "Taiwan has never been a part of PRC for a second". Taiwan has never been part of China, of any China, by whatever acronym it fancies calling itself. You get corrected. The Chinese proxy that the US unloaded on Japanese Taiwan never enjoyed the sovereignty of Taiwan. Washington has always been crystal clear about it. Hidefumi Sai (Japanese: 蔡英文, Sai Hidefumi)'s 2023 American Taiwan is in the same league as Manuel Quezon's 1934-46 American Philippines. Hidefumi Sai (Japanese: 蔡英文：Sai Hidefumi, born August 31, 1956). Hidefumi (英文), a male given name, is a compound of Hide (英) in the late Japanese PM Hideki Tojo (Japanese: 東條英機, Tojo Hideki) ’s first name and of Fumi (文) in the late Japanese PM Fumimaro Konoe (Japanese:近衛文麿, Konoe Fumimaro). Kiyonori Rai (Japanese: 賴清徳 : Rai Kiyonori). According to international law, China has no legal claim to Taiwan. Taiwan remains a territory stolen from Japan whose international legal status remains unsettled. Taiwan is a loose end of the San Francisco Peace Treaty with Japan. On April 28, 1952, Japanese Taiwan became American Taiwan, a concealed protectorate or insular territory of the US, hidden under the rags of Chinese Nationalism. Play safe, play the Japanese Taiwan card. But above all, stick to international law.

[@deedyfenton]

@@jeromebessonBy your standard, with all the Chinese characters in Japanese, shall China just claim Japan? Taiwan is not a part of Japan. Period.

[@FrancisLitanofficialJAPINOY]

Electricity in Taiwan was built by the Japanese.

[@Nanonaiotis]

It’s a very misleading title. Japan never invaded Taiwan. It was won after the Sino-Japanese war. Yes there was opposition etc, but it was not an invasion.

[@CarpeVerpa]

What do you call it when armed soldiers are sent to secure land where the locals try to remove them by force?

[@tzufbb]

Thài-pêng-iûⁿ se-lâm hái-piⁿ, bí-lē-tó Tâi-oân chhùi-chhiⁿ. Chá-chêng hō͘ gōa-pang thóng-tī, kiàn-kok taⁿ teh chhut-thâu-thiⁿ. Kiōng-hô-kok hiàn-hoat ê ki-chhó͘, sù cho̍k-kûn pêng-téng saⁿ hia̍p-chō͘. Jîn-lūi bûn-hòa, sè-kài hô-pêng, kok-bîn hiòng-chêng kòng-hiàn châi-lêng. Choè goân-thaû Siōng-tè chhòng-chō, bí-lē-tó Tâi-oân choè-hó. Siúⁿ-sù hō͘ chó͘-sian khiā-khí, kiàn-kok taⁿ Siōng-chú liap-lí. Chú Ki-tok kok-ka ê kun-ông, lí-sióng-pang bo̍k-phiau ê kià-bōng. Lán beh kiàn-siat jîn-ài kong-gī, chó͘-kok moá-toē chhin-chhiūⁿ tī thiⁿ. (A-men.) 太平洋西南海邊，美麗島台灣翠青。 早前受外邦統治，建國今在出頭天。 共和國憲法的基礎，四族群平等相協助。 人類文化世界和平，國民向前貢獻才能。 最源頭上帝創造，美麗島台灣最好， 賞賜互祖先居起，建國今是祂攝理。 主基督國家的君王，理想邦目標的寄望， 咱欲建設仁愛公義，祖國滿地親像在天。 By Pacific’s western shore, beauteous isle, our green Taiwan. Once suffered under alien rule, free at last to be its own. Here’s the basis of our nation: four diverse groups in unity, come to offer all their varied skills, for the good of all and a world at peace.[4] In the beginning, God created the beautiful island of Taiwan, our favourite. God gave it to our ancestors to inhabit and still looks over our nation. Christ being the Lord of our nation, the ideal state is our hope and aim. We will work towards love and justice, so that our motherland will become as heaven on earth. (Amen.)

[@danielbickford3458]

Nifty

[@AItroikamusic]

Japan actaually modernized Taiwan and made it a world expo , do your research.

[@七月-x8q]

by kill 400000 chinese people live in taiwan?

[@seoul_9584]

@@七月-x8q Taiwanese people are not Chinese 😭😂

[@seoul_9584]

Taiwan loves Japan. Japan liberated Taiwan from the Manchu rule.

[@七月-x8q]

@@seoul_9584 they were chinese at that time and migrated from mainland.Taiwanese were created for latest twenty years because of polical and education.The older generation taiwanese still thought themself as chinese.

[@七月-x8q]

@@seoul_9584 and the key point is that Japan killed people without any pulishment because they are aliied of usa

[@AbdulAlhazred-l2l]

Free Ryukyu!!!

[@tomshady3530]

So, what you are saying is: Japan has owned Taiwan this whole time and the "nine Dash" line is BS?

[@peekaboopeekaboo1165]

Nonsense. Japan forced China to signed a "treaty" that relinquished sovereignty over Taiwan.

[@hobog]

CCP never controlled TW

[@lolturtle13]

Correct. But that isn't the point. Both the ROC and PRC claim to inherit the lands of the Qing. Bother equally claim to be to true government. The ROC simply realized they lost their chance to win the war and gave up in 1991 when they declared the period of communist rebellion over.

[@Nakla]

As far as I know China controlled Taiwan (Farmosa) in theory but didnt really exercise any power there

[@jeromebesson]

During the 70 day-long interim period bracketed by Japan's declaration of surrender and the official surrender on Japanese Taiwan, local notables tried to involve IJA officers in their deranged plot to get General Rikichi Andō to recognize Taiwan's independence. Andō deterred the plotters. He had no mandate to recognize Taiwan's independence. Manchu Empire Plenipotentiary Li Hongzhang (李鴻章) had chucked Taiwan to the Japanese, thinking good riddance. Prime Minister Itō Hirobumi (伊藤博文) recovered this jewel for the Japanese crown. Once the Treaty of Shimonoseki was sealed, officials of the Manchu Empire were bound to abide by the international treaty signed in the name of their ruler, Emperor Aisin-Gioro Zaitian. They should have prepared to hand over Taiwan to the Japanese general, Prince Kitashirakawa Yoshihisa ((北白川宮能久親王, Kitashirakawa-no-miya Yoshihisa-shinnō) in a peaceful and decorous manner. They had no reason to foment or even condone a rebellion and then take off, one in drags, the other hiding as coolie, the both aboard two British-flagged merchant ships. There are decent leaders like the last Governor General of Japanese Taiwan, General Rikichi Andō (安藤 利吉). And then there are Chinese clowns like Taiwan Province Governor Tang Jingsong (唐景崧) and thugs like Liu Yongfu (劉永福). These two could be considered heroes of China, but considering these two Chinese officials of the Manchu Empire as iconic figures of Taiwanese independence is lame. Tang declared an independence that had no separatist overtones. The separation from the mainland was only intended to be temporary and the Republic recognized the suzerainty of the Manchu sovereign. Mao told Edgar Snow in 1937 that he was contemplating independence for Japanese Taiwan. But, a satrapy of the Zhonggong (中共) Empire? Is this what you envision for the future of former Japanese Taiwan? I guess you hold the story of the Mexican state of Coahuila y Tejas ----> Republic of Texas ----> Lone Star State as a pink template for independence-loving Taiwan.

[@hybridarmyofthegdl2193]

you have one of the best History Channels. But please be careful with terminology, dont use Moscow or Han colonial terminology. Han - China didn´t exist in 1895, write Manchu empire instead, the same goes to Muscovy , " Russia " (self - proclaimed ) appeared on the map only from the second part of 18c.

[@adamradziwill]

+1

[@mint8648]

Russia existed since 1547 and China was synonomous with Qing. In 1755 after the conquest of the Dzungar Khanate, Qianlong declared the territory to be the Xinjiang (new frontier) of China.

[@NightPhoenix.Y]

China=Land of Qin. Qin existed since 500BC so stop being delusional.

[@windcold4532]

Diplomatic documents of the Qing Dynasty refer to themselves as China

[@liebfraumilch3518]

It was Ching Empire not China. Ching Empire did not govern whole island of Taiwan, only plain area. Japan Empire was the first country governed whole island of Taiwan.

[@Warum_Nicht]

Well done Japan. 良くやりました！Many older Taiwanese are grateful for that period and respect Japan still!

[@GhostCountries]

We'll be exploring Taiwan under Japanese rule more in a future video; so, stay tuned for that!

[@windcold4532]

In fact, Japan is not good to Taiwanese. When Japan colonized Taiwan, Taiwanese were not allowed to eat rice. The rice produced in Taiwan was shipped to Japan for the Japanese to eat. Japanese and Taiwanese are separated in schools in Taiwan

[@lucentyoung2691]

​@@windcold4532Only in this way can the Taiwanese feel that the Japanese are noble, even today.🤣🤣

[@Warum_Nicht]

@@windcold4532 - still better than being under the degenerate Qing Dynasty or the awful Communist Mainland Chinese.

[@Warum_Nicht]

@@windcold4532 - that is a LIE. Many, many Taiwanese love Japan. Lee Teng-hui spoke Japanese.

[@lakibody]

Now i know why taiwan hate china they abandoned them then when it flourishes they said they are part of china again😅.

[@gangwu4541]

Taiwan is the prime example of the terrible consequences of being defeat in a war. China will never give up on Taiwan, as it is a symbol of rebirth of the great Chinese empire and its influence over East Asian region that was stolen forcefully by the then Japanese empire since late 19th century. China will not be underestimated and the new Chinese empire will rise again.

[@thelastdefenderofcamelot5623]

we are Tang people. we are also part of an old old Chinese culture.

[@Unknown_rbnx19]

Taiwan should be part of Philippines

[@chianchen776]

We should unite indeed

[@viewflyhsu6776]

落後國家想要統治先進國家!?

[@JohnWick-cz3ph]

Be part of the US yes, as the Philippines used to be

[@NightPhoenix.Y]

Bro what are these comments bro, we have enough, problems, Taiwan has enough problems too, why you outsiders keep try to fuck us up thinking it'll be a good idea just stop bro💀💀💀 No seriously y'all share one braincell wtf