Why Colonial American Maps Were Insane

Depending on which European country you asked, what North America "legally" looked like during colonial times was drastically different. There was a LOT of overlap.
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[@EmperorTigerstar]

I wanted to expand this topic further to misconceptions of African and Asian colonial maps, but my living room had a water leak so I cut this video short. Perhaps in a future video!

[@themathhatter5290]

3:22 A phrase so nice you said it twice

[@TheAustronaut03]

hearing you pronounce jure as "you ray" dealt 4 psychic damage its pronounced like jury but instead of an y theres a silent e

[@NBrixH]

@@TheAustronaut03 It's actually pronounced more like ''de shür'' It's french, so I don't know how to indicate the french 'u' sound other than using an umlaut. Just look it up on french translate, then you'll get the correct pronunciation. Using IPA it's pronounced like /di d͡ʒʊɹ/, but that doesn't help much.

[@vertigq5126]

Hope it’s all fixed man, thanks for sharing this and your other vids! God bless you :)

[@procyon6370]

It's not sh, it's zh. Rhymes with poor. De Jure.

[@renatocpribeiro]

Tordesillas wasn't that bad for Portugal initially, though. They were much more interested in the Indian Ocean trade at the time. They would only start serious colonial efforts in Brazil in the 1530s

[@javierm7087]

And Brazil was somewhat ignored during Early Modern History, serving mainly as a stop for the route from East Indies to Europe (also slave plantations for sugar and dyes). People overstimate the Europe's discovery of the Americas, if it weren't for the silver, America would have not been colonized (or at least, at a slower pace)

[@luisandrade2254]

@@javierm7087 correction: americans overestimate the discovery of the Americas i know shocking

[@What-thaW]

I mean they *did* get all of africa Europe Asia and Oceania

[@b99b12]

@@javierm7087 That might be true for South America/Central, but for New England/Canada there were two things that really drove the Europeans that wasn't gold or silver: Massive solid oak forests and beaver pelts. The extinction (or near extinction) of the European beaver was a huge catalyst for the fur trade plus the castoreum was used in purfumes. The wood was crucial for ship masts and having a large navy was key to economic dominance, and all across North America there were vast acres of old-growth hard wood forests. Many powers had to import wood from Norway/Sweden so having your own supply was key. But I can agree that majority of South and Central America wouldn't have been colonized as fast, because the jungles and deserts wouldn't be as lucrative without the gold and silver.

[@javierm7087]

@@b99b12 Meh, I still stand on my point., The main objectives during the exploration os North America were silver/gold and the northwest passage. Just look at the first colonizers of Viriginia and you'll see barely any of them were peasants, while there were lots of miners and traders. Beaver, wood and fish were ok, but they were consolation prices compared to precious minerals

[@christianpiedra1514]

the pronunciation of de jure is wild

[@zacharywranovsky]

I was thinking the exact same thing 😂

[@pickleism253]

Deyurei

[@hans7856]

Should be pronounced [d̪eː ˈi̯uːrɛ].

[@WasatchWind]

My ancestors in early Utah come to mind, seriously thinking they could claim a gigantic swath of the western United States as Deseret - it quickly in just a few years proved quite impossible. Unfortunately it would then prove to be an obsession for the history community despite it never really existing or having much chance of existing.

[@TheFranchiseCA]

The Deseret proposal is made out to be something more than what it was: a longshot bid to gain the autonomy that statehood promised. They wanted legal protection that had not existed in Missouri and Illinois, where those state governments had no interest in protecting them.

[@WasatchWind]

@@TheFranchiseCA I think the more bizarre fantasies have about it are also similarly unfounded. A lot of people, especially in alternate history scenarios, envision a Latter-day Saint theocracy, where Brigham Young rules as king. I would say early Utah was complex as far as what was religious and what was not, considering it was largely settled by church members - and whatever sort of absolute power they could've held was very quickly diluted when the gold rush brought tons of people through the territory, there was the conflict with the government in the 1850s, and then the railroad came a decade later. Utah was never going to live in isolation, and really from my study, my ancestors simply wanted to be left alone and not have people make decisions for them. It seems that after plural marriage began to decline and then was formally ceased with the two manifestos, as well as Utah becoming a state, church members in the state were fairly satisfied. What surprises me honestly is I rarely see people making wild scenarios about a massive migration of church members into Missouri sometime in the future - which features greatly in Latter-day Saint discussion of the period leading up to the second coming. I think perhaps the vague place it has in our doctrine may have something to do with it, as it is unclear whether it is intended to be a literal interpretation of what will occur.

[@timothymclean]

How strange that American historians would be obsessed with a group of people fleeing religious persecution who established their own state far to the west. On an unrelated note, it's about six months to Thanksgiving, how about that?

[@fridtjofbjarturson8798]

Zion?

[@WasatchWind]

@@fridtjofbjarturson8798 Not sure what your question is.

[@ChessedGamon]

Colonial maps are like when kids say “is too plus infinity!” applied to geopolitics

[@PakBallandSami]

sup pal

[@ChessedGamon]

@@PakBallandSami hey

[@clouds-rb9xt]

Sidenote for any map nerds: The Library of Congress online collection of maps is VERY extensive, you'll find stuff going back a millenia from various countries. Plenty of colonial era stuff as well. If you're into old photography they pretty much have something for every notable town in the world too.

[@Franfran2424]

Indeed, high quality maps

[@ErichZornerzfun]

Once while working on a ww1 mod for a game I went down the rabbithole of Colonial Africa borders. All those nice clean map with straight lines everywhere are very much De Jure. There were dozens of regional kingdoms, emirates, and majors tribes that were still nominally, functionally, or even official independent well into the 20th century.

[@generalgrievous2202]

What mod and what game? I'd be interested to see ww1 media with a good African front representation

[@ErichZornerzfun]

@generalgrievous2202 it is the making history series of games. I released a mod for their older game, making history the great war, and am working on a new version for their newer game, mh the first world war.

[@rimfire8217]

So the American Civil War could be seen in one of two ways. De Facto--The Confederate States of America (1860-1864) De Jure--The United States with a Southern Region in revolt (1860-1864)

[@maddie9602]

I think it was CGP Grey who cited this as one of the reasons why it's basically impossible to get a definitive count of how many countries there are in the world. The US existed when it declared independence in 1776, but it wasn't clear it was a real country until Britain recognized their independence in 1781. Meanwhile, the CSA was a regional rebellion that was pacified, and people generally don't count it as having ever been a real country. Until you have the benefit of historical hindsight, you won't know which rebellions are USA's, where the country will establish independence long-term, and which are CSA's, doomed to the dustbin of history.

[@rateeightx]

Honestly for quite a while I've found it weird that it's called a "Civil War" (Or Oftentimes Simply "The Civil War"), Because To Me That Kinda Implies Both Sides Claim To Be The True Government Of The Country, Whereas That Was Far From The Case Here, With One Side Not Claiming To Be Part Of The Country At All, In A Way Those Two Things Are Almost Opposites.

[@Hawaiian_Shirt_guy]

those would both be de jure maps. The confederates never had control over parts of the appalachians (hince west virginia, the free state of winston, etc) and the US government never had control of parts of southern Missouri and Kentucky. A de facto map of a war zone is always super complicated.

[@darkithnamgedrf9495]

@@rateeightx To be a civil war they don’t have to claim the whole country. A civil war is just a war between citizens of the same country

[@Nn-3]

There would also be a third way: De Jure--The Confederate States of America's de jure land claims

[@chemputer]

I've always heard "de jure" pronounced with the "jure" like Juror or Juries. I mean it's the same root, meaning by law. I double checked and apparently both are acceptable pronunciations and that's neat but I've honestly never heard it pronounced that way. Given it's a Latin phrase it's possible that's a more common pronunciation in romance languages? In any case, I learned something extra from this video! Neat.

[@rateeightx]

Considering The Letter 'J' Didn't Exist In Classical Latin, Being Represented By 'i' Instead, And Only Later Being Used After The French Started Using It For What Had Become A More Distinct Sound, It's Likely The Original Pronounciation Was More Similar To How He Pronounced It, I'd Guess The Pronounciation Similar To 'Juror' Is More Common In Languages That Got The Term From French, Rather Than Directly From Latin.

[@Liggliluff]

@@rateeightx Why Do You Write A Capital Letter On Every Single Word?

[@Micg51]

I’ve only ever read it J as in Juror. Was surprised at his pronunciation

[@jamestang1227]

It's latin and going by classical Latin pronunciation you'd go with a y sound over an English j.

[@stephenderry9488]

Now if we can just get people to start saying Kikero, Yoolius Kaeser, et ketera.

[@AverytheCubanAmerican]

Portugal at the Berlin Conference: According to the Treaty of Tordesillas, everything east of this line belongs to us, so whether you like it or not we are the rightful owners of the continent The other colonizers: Oh no! Proceeding to divide the continent their way: *ANYWAY*

[@seanmcloughlin5983]

I meant they still got Angola and Mozambique which is honestly WAY more than they deserved being Spains little slightly more stable brother.

[@catarinamelchiorgomes8750]

@@seanmcloughlin5983 they already had coastal possessions in Angola and Mozambique

[@seanmcloughlin5983]

@@catarinamelchiorgomes8750 yeah but getting them recognized if the entire region was still a get, especially considering Britain and Germany were eyeing up the entire southern half of the continent.

[@scipioafricanus5871]

@@seanmcloughlin5983 Portugal did try to make their two coastal possessions contiguous, but it messed with the British Cape to Cairo project so they had to abandon that ship in 1890 under British pressure.

[@thanosofthecommunistdruzhi9107]

Amongst the overlapping claims were the Haudenosaunee (or Iroquois) in Eastern America, who were more or less formidable allies of Britain, but regardless, the British claimed their land.

[@JaKingScomez]

Why wouldn’t they? Britain was by all means and purpose the worlds overlord at the point in history. Britain sees a little nation its going to take it under its wing. Its their god given right

[@thanosofthecommunistdruzhi9107]

@@JaKingScomez What "god given right"? And what do you mean "tak[ing] it under its wing"? Britain cared only for the interests of Britain, and it planned on absorbing the Indigenous into the Thirteen Colonies. This would effectively decimate the Haudenosaunee national identity, and replace it with whatever state expands there. Anyways, I did not post this comment to argue against the British, it was just a statement of fact that would probably be good to be recognized

[@hall511]

among us

[@ShahjahanMasood]

I hate how short your videos are Emperor. I am used to listening to hour long history videos so yours just go by in a flash.

[@jamesrocket5616]

3:22-3:31 I thought I was hearing things

[@compatriot852]

Basically any old colonial maps are guaranteed to have goofy borders as a large portion are unexplored/uncontrolled with it merely being claimed

[@Tsuruchi_420]

2:44 it's cool to see the places where these claims overlapped on the ground, i live in southern Brazil and there's old Spanish island-fortresses offshore in my state, and both the Portuguese and Brazilian state claimed all of Uruguay for some time, to the point where what is essentially the Uruguayan war of independence was against us, not the Spanish

[@owenbillo5513]

De Facto maps are just more fun and avoid issues with mapping straight lines

[@HolyKhaaaaan]

Until one of your settlers shoots the colonial governor's Pig.

[@stevenc.6502]

Many of these "de jure" claims were against other European powers, and not indigenous tribes. So, for example, France was mostly interested in settling the Maritime provinces of Canada, the St. Lawrence valley, and the lower Mississippi valley; but the indigenous tribes of the interior were their allies and trading partners, and potential converts to Catholicism. Likewise, the Hudson's Bay Company was granted sovereignty over a huge section of North America; but not for the purpose of ruling the indigenous inhabitants, just for protecting their fur-trading monopoly. The Russian claim to north-west North America was for the same purpose of protecting the trading monopoly of the Russian American Company. This is in contrast to the British East India Company and the Netherlands East India Company which found it profitable to exercise real sovereignty over parts of southern Asia. The English/British colonies on the U.S. Atlantic seaboard were true settlement colonies and sought expansive claims for that reason.

[@HazmanFTW]

The fact on the map at 2:25 Portugal owns half of what is Brazil today and Spain owns like 1/4 of Australia is kinda funny

[@tonylu2471]

I think it's even more weird that Spain owned part of Siberia.

[@mariodangelo9768]

That's not really what the Treaty of Tordesillas did it's commonly misunderstood to be Spain and Portugal actually claiming land when it's more of an agreement to not colonize land there without the other's permission neither Spain or Portugal would have actually said they were actively claiming land there think of it instead of saying Spain owns this land Spain has a treaty with Portugal where Portugal agrees not to colonize this land and Spain reserves the right to colonize this land

[@tonylu2471]

@@mariodangelo9768 I understand. I saw the map and thought it was kind of funny.

[@scipioafricanus5871]

@@mariodangelo9768 If you don't use (settle) it you lose it basically.

[@calzonemaniacsvideocorner0804]

The reason it took four years for the Articles of Confederation to become law, other than the asinine requirement that all of the states had to ratify it, was because Virginia would not give up its federal land claims, and Maryland refused to ratify until every state had given up its claims.

[@hens0w]

I didn't think Portugal was meant to get any of the Americans instead getting Africa and all the east indies

[@quakeknight9680]

Fun Fact(s): Slovenia is the country with the most admin. regions in the world, up to >200. Malawi is the country with least amount of regions above 1, with just 3 regions. Russia is the country with the biggest number of Autonomous Republics, Krais and Oblasts, up to 39, which is almsot half of the total 85, one was even made for jews despite jews there making less than 1% population. Crimea used to be its own country for less than half of a day. Bhutan dosent recognise half of the countries in the world, including PR China, Taiwan, Russia, USA and every neighbour of Serbia including Kosovo.

[@l0os176]

Where are you getting the Bhutan world map from?

[@quakeknight9680]

@@l0os176 Google

[@crypt1c_865]

bhutan serbia confirmed????

[@uncitoyen_8614]

From 1808 to 1813, a huge part of the Americas were De Jure under French rule (Spanish colonies), De Facto...

[@michaelmutranowski123]

wait, you mentioned Serbia in a video and didn't turn off the Comments Section? Bold move.

[@cookieskoon2028]

I still wish there were more detailed records of native history and land division. They didn't draw lines in the same fashion as Europeans but territory was still territory, and knowing how they handled things pre-colonial age is extremely interesting to me. Sadly Europe (especially the Spanish) destroyed as much as possible in their invasions, on top of multiple cultures keeping record via story telling rather than writing.

[@itsmebatman]

It's hard to imagine living in a world where there are genuinely uncharted landmasses.

[@jabber1990]

Treaty of Tordesillas: exists France and Britain: "so, free real estate?"

[@pocketmarcy6990]

That one time Massachusetts had a dispute with Pennsylvania over the Erie Triangle

[@andyjay729]

And Connecticut also had one with Pennsylvania near Scranton.

[@hankwilliams150]

I heard a story that after the Civil war, the state of Florida offered to sell to Alabama what is now the Florida panhandle from the Perdido River to the Chattahoochhee River but Alabama decided the land would never be any good for anything so they refused. Fast forward to the 1960s when George Wallace was governor who said that "geographically" that land should be Alabama's. He stopped after the governor of Tennessee said that all the land north of the Tennessee River was "geographically" Tennessee's. Thus would have put the Space Flight Centre in Huntsville in Tennessee so Wallace's dropped the subject.

[@PakBallandSami]

“The way to Heaven is ascending; we must be content to travel uphill, though it be hard and tiresome, and contrary to the natural bias of our flesh.” ― Jonathan Edwards

[@thezipcreator]

why are you just posting random quotes

[@blackopsguy1023]

@@thezipcreator It concerns colonial American history, not that random

[@thetooginator153]

Your Imperial Majesty - You accidentally repeated a bit of text in your video, but it doesn’t detract from how great it is. I just wanted to mention this so you can check for that in future videos. Frankly, I thought your narration was excellent!

[@worldcomicsreview354]

"Why are there 13 stripes on the flag of the USA?" "It's what our first map looked like

[@johnbrown9542]

England: Founds Jamestown Also England: We did boys. Manifest destiny is complete!

[@Hand-in-Shot_Productions]

Good summary of the absurdity of the claims!

[@alex.harrison]

To all the people complaining about the pronunciation, it’s actually much closer to correct than “de zhoor”. Latin has no letter ‘J’, the actual words are “de iure”

[@eddiec9756]

I remember looking at these De jure maps in my American history classes and always laughing how absurd they looked

[@Hand-in-Shot_Productions]

I've heard of some of these odd maps, but I didn't know how _strange_ these maps are! I'm not sure what's weirder: Virginia claiming the massive chunk of land in 1609 (see 3:31) while it was still Jamestown, or the fact that much of it was overlapped by Massachusetts just 11 years later! If the boundaries didn't change, I would be living just south of "Los Angeles, Virginia"! I also found it interesting how Manifest Destiny's "from sea to shining sea" echoed the Virginia Company's "from sea to sea". Thanks for the video!

[@andyjay729]

Cleveland, Chicago, Des Moines, Omaha, Ogden, Utah, and even Mt. Shasta, CA would be in Connecticut if they'd gotten their originally chartered way. And Toronto, Detroit, Milwaukee, the Twin Cities, Yellowstone Park, and Seattle would be in Massachusetts (both colonies were also granted sea to sea charters, apparently without the king checking previous ones, although CT and MA followed straight lines of latitude as opposed to Virginia's strange northwest-shooting border). On a side note, because Florida was added to the country after the Louisiana Purchase, Old Faithful became (de jure) American before the site of Miami Beach.

[@lvbfan]

Did something change? In American English "de jure" is typically pronounced "day jooure" (rhymes with "cure"), not "day yooray" or however this guy says it.

[@somebodyandthem]

This guy likes to touch pretzels outside of movie theaters in front of elderly women

[@grey_apache]

Good video but you kept mispronouncing De Jure

[@tnt-boom]

Day Yuray hurts my brain. In both English and the original French it comes from I can only find it pronounced with English/French j.

[@mr.oblivious1]

The Virginia Company of London when getting (a/their) second charter in 1609

[@PakBallandSami]

“I look upon Virginia as a rib taken from Britain’s side… While they both proceed as living under the marriage-compact, this Eve might thrive so long as her Adam flourishes. Whatever serpent shall tempt her to go astray etc [will only cause] her husband to rule more strictly over her.” Alexander Spotswood, 1720

[@robertthallium6883]

3:23 did you have a seizure or some shit

[@amichaelthomas83]

or you could do what Google Maps do and just make their maps change depending on where they think you are viewing it.

[@amichaelthomas83]

gas lighting by one of the most powerful companies in the world.

[@steele5823]

Never met anyone who pronounced de jure this way…

[@cjwms7279]

4:04 what were the states that were in Virgina/Plymouth's claim? North Carolina (My state) was in the claim.

[@andyjay729]

San Francisco would've been in Virginia. Incidentally, Francis Drake probably landed just north of there (some historians think it was actually as far north as Oregon), and his claim of "New Albion" encouraged Anglo-American Manifest Destiny claims. There's still a Drake's Bay and Sir Francis Drake Boulevard in Marin County. That said, in the Mayflower Compact the Pilgrims referred to their new home as "the northern parts of Virginia", which suggests that at least initially "Virginia" was how the English referred to all of at least the east coast of North America (although John Smith gave the region of New England its name on his 1614 voyage as far north as present-day Maine), similar to how "New South Wales" was initially the name given to the entire east coast of Australia.

[@charlesweigel1100]

Why is no one talking about the way he is saying De Jure

[@gokbay3057]

2:11 Portugal didn't really get shafted as the reaty included all non-Christian land. So Portugal got all of Africa and India.

[@centralmapping6566]

I never really knew this!

[@joshuabessire9169]

That explains the lines in"Country Roads," Denali Mountain, Yukon River.

[@JmO-ee1bi]

De jure is often from the UN majority recognition nowadays

[@Virtrial]

ngl you are the only person I've heard pronounce de jure like "day you're ay"; I've always heard it said as the french pronunciation "de-jur" because it got loaned to english from latin via french.

[@knives1705]

I don’t know why but he’s pronouncing it like it’s Spanish. Completely wrong.

[@just_radical]

I long for the days of all 5 Massachusetts and the eternal 41N-42N2' Connecticut Empire.

[@SeanA099]

Bring back Big Virginia. All of the continent rightfully belongs to Virginia

[@shinsenshogun900]

Big 'Ginia ain't gonna have a comeback since the razing of Jamestown

[@malchar2]

props to france for actually trying to make boundaries based on watersheds though. it's a good idea.

[@ethannguyen2551]

Your voice is familiar, are you the technology connections guy?

[@dahawk8574]

It would have been good to mention remnants of these claims which remain to this day. Like "Case Western". A school in Ohio whose name to this day indicates that it had been part of the Connecticut Western Reserve. Crazy.

[@dahawk8574]

...and even better to let everyone know how in the USA, up through at least the 1970s, there used to be this common saying where someone would be called an "Indian Giver". Stated with no hint of irony, it was when someone had taken back something which they had given away.

[@dahawk8574]

Speaking of the 1970s... Let's not forget that quote by a famous American who is upheld as this iconic hero. John Wayne stated his opinion that American Indians were acting "selfishly", because they did not want to share their land with White People. This wasn't some private view he would say when he was drunk at some bar, nor at home. He said this in an infamous interview he gave to Playboy Magazine. Words he knew were going to be read all across the USA and beyond.

[@IloveRumania]

3:35 Thank GOODNESS this never came to be! The border looks awful, as if a mapper were being lazy.

[@jessebest5961]

Not only did Portuguese Brazil extended way past the line but Spain eventually acquired the Philippines which were also way behind the line.

[@nlpnt]

And this doesn't even get into geographic blunders; you use a lot of old claims superimposed on modern maps so this video is free of clunkers like Lake Champlain being wider east-to-west than north-to-south or California being an island.

[@scurly0792]

3:22 The Virginia company of London when getting a second charter in 1609, the Virginia company of London when getting a second charter in 1609,

[@CartoType]

I have an atlas published in Germany in 1942. That is de facto to the max, showing German territory extending far to the east, including those areas of the Soviet Union under German control. It also shows a greatly expanded German nation including Austria and western Poland; that would have been regarded as de jure by Germany, but not by the rest of the world.

[@samlund8543]

Oh cool, I literally just finished my College Prospectus which involves French maps of Wisconsin (my state).

[@nightsurvivor3673]

Given Portugal's Naval power and their eventual empire, I'm pretty sure they weren't shafted by Tordesillas.

[@scipioafricanus5871]

Well, Spain encroached by taking the Philippines sooo

[@CETNJ]

Insanity at its damn finest.

[@LorolinAstori]

Welcome to the Louisiana Purchase

[@SavageGreywolf]

I don't think even the Spanish and Portuguese _really_ viewed the map the way it's depicted there - at the very least they must have been aware that Denmark would _strongly_ disagree with anyone else having a claim to Greenland and Iceland.

[@npswm1314]

De Jure is pronounced Day Ger btw.

[@TheFranchiseCA]

Pronouncing Latin words as if they are Latin is okay.

[@npswm1314]

@@TheFranchiseCA No one uses the Classical Latin pronunciation anymore.

[@FromNothing]

3:22 there is a duplicate dialogue.

[@kadenvanciel9335]

Idk if I typed this here, but I think that Tigerstar should talk about and perhaps debunk that part of Why We Fight: Prelude to War where the narrator talks about the Axis nations’ claims.

[@jackmarshallnz]

got 0:20 in and heard the butchering of "de jure" and that was me done...

[@stefanoraz27]

In latin it is like that

[@petersmythe6462]

De Jure: Taiwan is the part of the People's Republic of China. De Facto: The Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone was a separate country from the US.

[@kosmischesynth]

Nice video, but friendly note - "de zhur" not "de yuray"

[@AstroParallax]

He used the pronounciation in latin, it's not wrong. There are many ways to say it.

[@d.l.7416]

@Yes. he tried to use one specific latin pronunciation (there are many), but it wasn't particularly accurate (which is fine)

[@kosmischesynth]

Ah, interesting. Just goes to show what I know

[@PakBallandSami]

man maps are always such an interesting topic to learn about like it is just the study of geography and that is very interesting to learn about and then considering the fact it was the time before technology it will be great to learn about how did they make maps then and what ever method they used will have some mistakes

[@relo999]

TBF, that's most colonial maps of any kind. Most colony claims amount to "we build and own some fort or trading post, thus all this land around it is ours". This gets especially weird with legal implications and funky with historical definitions. For example the Dutch outlawed slavery since its founding on the mainland, but if you look up when the Dutch banned it it's either 1814 or 1862. 1814 for banning the transatlantic slave trade abroad but keep in mind it was still outlawed on the mainland and brining slave to the mainland saw them freed. So was it outlawed before or would it be a case of "you've been caught with weed in Canada so here in Malaysia you're guilty"? Then you have the 1862 claim, which is the colonial claim. However the colonial region wasn't controlled by Dutch political power but rather a private company that could make their own rules and regulations and "held the claim" for the Dutch. In a modern sense that would be akin to Apple being the ruling body of some foreign nation making the laws but saying "yea we do it in the name of the US" while having some wildly different laws. And then you have the much rarer claim of 1914 claim, which when it was banned on some Island in Dutch east Indies that was largely un-contacted. The brits and other colonial powers also had such fuckery. (Also should note the double standard when it comes to the common date cited for banning slavery between the Brits and the Dutch, the most common Dutch date is when it was banned in the land controlled by the Dutch empire. But the date used for the Brits is when it was banned on their european homeland yet still had slavery legal and kicking up till decolonization a half century ago in some parts of their empire, which makes for about 150 years of difference)

[@tommygamba170]

Indigenous peoples don't have a claim it's fact it's like saying no British person has a claim they have a claim to England or the UK but it's really going to be owned by Africa

[@1pcfred]

No one has any claim to land they cannot defend.

[@sampeterson6538]

I get that “day your-a” is more phonetically correct, but “d’jrr” just sounds so much better

[@lookoutforchris]

The area of the US was nearly empty of indigenous people by the time the first colonies are established. Estimates for the population are from about 1 to 3 million prior to European contact. The individual tribes are often quite small, often less than 1,000. Jesuits traveling into Iroquois territory for instance remark at how few of them there are vs how much land they are able to control. Disease and war against other tribes further destroyed their numbers. The major population centers at the time were really in Mesoamerica.

[@Borrelaas]

2:00 You are way off, the treaty of tordesillas was in essence giving the "new world" to spain, and leaving portugal to go east. It was not an idea that they divided the new world between them You can actually reverse it and say Spain got shafted since Brazil (or parts of it) turned out to be east of the treaty line, giving portugal legal rights to it according to the treaty.

[@MasonGreenWeed]

Straight line? Straight line? And straight line was it

[@eliscanfield3913]

DH & I actually felt better (because we're still homesick for CT) that we're in what's often still occasionally called the Western Reserve (of Connecticut)

[@emptychair3932]

“day yurayy” map

[@FairyCRat]

3:22 the Virginia company of London when getting a second charter in 1609... THE VIRGINIA COMPANY OF LONDON WHEN GETTING THEIR SECOND CHARTER IN 1609

[@isaiahdaniels5643]

By law, that is not how you'll pronounce De Jure anymore.

[@AshLilburne]

"England ... didn't claim an entire continent" As a white Australian id like to point out.. Actually nah these crumpets are fine. As you were..

[@elidesportelli325]

I love your work

[@elidesportelli325]

My real name is Emanuele

[@tjh4022]

The virginia company of london, when getting a(their) second charter in 1609

[@Rob02150]

Now Ill never forget the Virginia company of London got their 2nd charter in 1609.

[@mkvenner2]

Connecticut and Pennsylvania actually went to war over this.

[@markwrede8878]

More overtly criminal and barbaric than insane.

[@cooltaylor1015]

Honestly, you didn't get nearly in depth enough. And you didn't show nearly enough wonky colonial maps. It's not bad enough to dislike, but I'm disappointed. Good effort though. I look forward to more content from you. I wish this had been 20 minutes and had way more examples and back story.

[@pointlessrandom7619]

3:34 This is the true and real map of Virginia that Big West doesn't want you to see....

[@straightupnothavingagoodtime]

the pronunciation is horrific oh my god please tigerstar

[@AquaStockYT]

My mans I see your subcount fix that reverb

[@peoplesrepublicofliberland5606]

USA maps are 90% of the time missing PR, USVI, Norther Marianas, Guam and American Samoa

[@arolemaprarath6615]

No

[@nathanmackinnon7405]

as a proud virginian, i support our peak borders and will happily give my life to restore them. six temper tyrannus!

[@k.umquat8604]

*sic semper tyrannis

[@jmiquelmb]

That last Spanish North American map is a favorite of some Spanish Nationalists, who have a hobby of trying to enlarge the old empire as much as their imagination allows them. Ironically, this group of people overlaps quite a bit with those people who complain about Latin American immigrants in Spain.

[@nullus8717]

3:22 Uh-oh, the Matrix is breaking.

[@jovanweismiller7114]

Whilst your map accurately showed the results of the Treaty of Tordesillas, you said in the narration that it divided the Americas. As your map showed, it actually divided the entire world.

[@isabellaereshki]

Love how most of these maps have the modern border between Pennsylvania and Ohio already there, pa extended way west as well, and originally pa overlapped into New York quite a bit while New York and Virginia tried to draw Pennsylvania completely out of existence, then Connecticut got involved and somehow the western claims got taken away from Pennsylvania but not Virginia or the Carolina’s til much later when they had to give up their extra territory for new states. Given Pennsylvania is roughly the size of Germany as it turned out you can imagine the clout if Pennsylvania had ended up being two or three times bigger like almost happened til Virginia and New York got into a pissing contest

[@MkiSaskTheGlumpSod]

I love your content but listening to you pronounce de jure as “day yuray” was like listening to a middle age suburban mom ask for “case-a-dilahs” at a mexican restaurant I have no idea if that is the correct pronunciation or not, but it was painful nonetheless