Why Corbyn Was Suspended from the Labour Party: Report Exposes Antisemitism in Labour - TLDR News

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On Thursday the Equality and Human Rights Commission published their enquiry into antisemitism in the labour party. In this video we discuss the report's findings and how they led to a dispute which ultimately resulted in former leader, Jeremy Corbyn, being suspended from the party.
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[@nastropc]

Of all the former leaders to kick out for bringing shame upon the party and to show Labour had learned its lesson, I might have started with the one who waged an illegal war.

[@jesseberg3271]

¿Porque no los dos?

[@Bushflare]

The establishment protect their own and lie and smear the outsiders relentlessly, be they beardy geography-teacher looking blokes or fat orange businessmen. All lies.

[@UsmanX]

Meanwhile, Alaistair Campbell is given a cushy interviewer job at GQ. These people should be in prison

[@jwil4286]

That is called a “whataboutism”

[@UsmanX]

@@jwil4286 not really, it's not a defence of corbyn, it's more that we should also apply the same standard to war criminals that got us involved in Iraq

[@2011dyrose]

To suspend someone without due process for political reasons breaks the law according to the report. This is exactly what Starmer just did.

[@2011dyrose]

@@xaviertrujillo506 There were 2 cases of actual Anti-Semitism in the Labour party for the 5 year period, which covered 800,000 members & supporters. Out of 1,200 complaints of Anti-Semitism, over 1,000 were found to have no basis. The rest were varying levels of re-education, ie mild slip ups. In other words, it was a scam.

[@NYCMDE]

What do you call due process?

[@2011dyrose]

@@NYCMDE Under Labour rules due process is an investigation by an independent GLU and final decision by the NEC without the involvement of LOTO. Starmer admitted that he suspended on BBC radio 2 then back peddled when it was pointed out that was illegal, instead stating that it was the decision of the Gen.Sec David Evans, who is also part of LOTO.

[@baggaz167]

TL;DR: A couple of corrections/clarifications needed. The mural, painted by Mear One, depicted several rich bankers: Rothschild, Warburg, Carnegie, Crowley, Morgan, Rockefeller. Of those, only TWO were Jewish (Rothschild and Warburg). By quoting Mear One, you seem to have been rather selective about what you chose to include, as the artist has also stated that it categorically wasn't about Jews owning all the wealth, it was about people with power, two of which happened to be Jewish. The "Illuminati eye" is the Eye of Providence. The same eye that is on American money. The artist is American. The only reason Corbyn backtracked and agreed upon second look that it was antisemitic is because people told him what to look for, but what they found was not necessarily the artist's intent. As for the wreath-laying, he wasn't there to celebrate the lives of terrorists; he was 20 yards away from where that ceremony was taking place. He was laying a wreath at the graves of the innocent who died in the 1985 Israeli airstrike that the UN even condemned. They shared a graveyard. Nothing to do with the Olympian story from 1972. Context is important, even if you are TL;DR, you maybe need to read up on that one a bit more...

[@d.comptonambrose4422]

This is another thing that irritates me about how people conflate anti-Semitism with conspiracy theories. Not only does it hurt those who pragmatically try to discredit conspiracy theories, but it also creates a "boy who cried wolf" situation with regard to anti-Semitism. I see the same thing happening with Russiagate in the US; when/if the Russians actually *DO* attack us FOR REAL, who will be around to heed the warning?

[@Lennon6412]

The comment that the artist made though was anti-semitic.

[@jremy89]

Nailed it

[@jremy89]

@@Lennon6412 the way you heard it reported made it sound that way try and find the full statement in context

[@mikebaker2436]

Artist intent is not solely what determines the meaning of content. It is possible to be unintentionally racist and the inability to realize and own that fact is why this story will not go away.

[@spacered949]

Still not heard a single example of antisemitism

[@alastairbarkley6572]

Have you read the ECHR Report? Try that if you want examples.

[@tonyb9735]

I see no ships......

[@utvara1]

*YOU SOUND LIKE AN ANTISEMITE AND A DENIER*

[@Ajsopranosrubberdux]

Because there is none. It was a massive beat up

[@calumwatt4360]

I am disappointed that there is no mention here of the credible allegation that Labour Party staff were deliberately ignoring that complaints inbox and that the majority (though to be fair, not all) of the "interferences" by Jeremy Corbyn's office were actually attempts to get them to deal with the problem. There was even a motion at Party conference (I believe in 2017) to try and move along the case of one member who had been suspended "without charge" for two years! The local Party branch who submitted it were not even claiming he was innocent, they just wanted to case to be dealt with one way or the other so the guy could move on. I'm not saying Corbyn is blameless, and that paragraph in his statement was pretty stupid and insensitive - but I wish the full story were actually being told here and in the media generally so it can be properly understood the by the public (something I thought TLDR is supposed to be about?) I hope you cover this topic in greater detail when the outcome of his suspension is known.

[@GetMiloaLife]

The EHRC did mention it, but they said that since that allegation was based on an internal report and nobody has seen its evidence, they couldn't take it into account :/

[@tayetrotman]

I think the trouble with TLDR, is that in trying to be brief and summarise they sometimes miss stuff out

[@erebusvonmori8050]

@@GetMiloaLife I get the feeling they didn't try very hard to get it.

[@calumwatt4360]

@@tayetrotman It's kind of central to the story though, arguably it is the reason the report was necessary in the first place.

[@tayetrotman]

Calum Watt That’s true, but it isn’t as though TLDR make it look like Corbyn was suspended without reason, they just don’t dive into the report too much beyond that which is directly related to Corbyn himself. I agree with you that really, TLDR could do with being a little more TL, but my intention was less to disagree with you than it was to soften things a little, because I don’t they they did this deliberately. TL:DR do their best to be as impartial and provide the full non-partisan story as they can (though I think they slip up sometimes) and I don’t want their reputation to go down hill because people begin to ascribe motive to these errors.

[@laithmeanslion]

Sounds like he’s Pro Palestinian not antiSemitic

[@UsmanX]

that's basically the smear, show any compassion to Palestinians you're branded as antisemtic because apparently fighting for human rights means also siding with Hamas' genocide policies 🤦‍♂️

[@CKW10001]

If that's the case Ireland is full of antisemitics, as the cause to support the Palestinian People continues here.

[@RyanDB]

Haven't you heard? Anyone who doesn't support an expansionist theocracy is anti-semitic, now. Those are the new rules, apparently

[@CKW10001]

@@RyanDB haven't heard that 😂. Them British love a good expansion on foreign lands. 🙄

[@jackrussell3755]

👏🏻👏🏻

[@morethanwords]

This was a gift to Johnson and the Tories. Huge distraction from the government's failings regarding Covid, Brexit, and hungry kids.

[@ldno3747]

Not so much, Starmer has been brutal and swift in the follow up to the report and the actions of Corbyn. He can hold it up and say look, "I hammered a senior member and former leader because he broke the rules, what about you Boris ?" and given the Cummings saga he would have no response.

[@Karen1963Yorks]

Corbyn is the gift that keeps on giving.

[@allandavies1642]

@@Karen1963Yorks ,rather he is a target that they are having a hard time shooting down.

[@nonah60]

@@Karen1963Yorks yet all this will effect negatively the party in polls and as far as the next GE. Whats a gift about that?

[@bcubed72]

@@allandavies1642 What?! Corbyn is a punching bag. A resilient one, possibly, but still.

[@mushogi]

How is it you can repeat the slur about the wreath, he was actually laying a wreath to commemorate the deaths of civilians killed in an Israeli air raid, the terrorist are buried in a different part of the graveyard. A Tory MP was also present at the time and won substantial damages against a news paper.

[@Bushflare]

Almost like we shouldn’t trust what the establishment media says about outsider political candidates... *peers at the orange man in the distance*

[@erict.watson2460]

@@Bushflare that's right, ignore the media - listen to what Trump says himself and immediately spot an inconsistent liar.

[@Bushflare]

@@erict.watson2460 Sure, then see the things he does and immediately spot... a remarkably tame President all things considered, who hasn’t started a single new war and keeps fostering peace. Like, Trump’s a turd of a person, sure, but he’s a better President than Obama in a lot of ways.

[@allandavies1642]

@@Bushflare , Has there had been a good US president since WW11 ? However,lets admit that as for Trump & Co; it is their citizens who continue to suffer inequality and injustice from their Republican policies. Sadly it appears the democrats have not served their people much better either . At least not since Clinton's time in office . Which is a bugger ,seeing how the Democrats had,like the Labour Party came to rise in support of the mass of ordinary people. From my humble view, most all US Presidents since the end of the second world war have been instrumental in waging war on many countries and their peoples . Trump may have not been seen to have started one yet, but he does certainly appear to foster those that are ongoing, and much worse. I do not observe Corbyn or Sanders being inclined to put the world in such a dangerous state of danger. The term ' Outsider/s' I read as in Orwell's double speak ; so I feel Sanders and Corbyn, as people having empthey with the multitude of ordinary people by appreciatting the divierse nature of their circumstances, and their needs. The Establisment and their MSM that would have us believe that Corbyn and Sanders are the epitomy of incompetence and danger to all . Of course I assume this 'danger' is namely felt by the oligarchy and those corrupt people in power themselves ! Ask the question: Who and What are the real threats to our lives ? Perhaps like me, you hear multiple replies offering differing and opposing opinions. What Starma did to Corbyn, fell upon me, like a personal blow that stamped on my hopes and aspirations for a world that my grandchildren would be safe and happy living in ; knowing and feeling that those in charge are good and capable people. Not the maleficent bunch in our UK government at the present time ! Or indeed in those in the US administration !

[@Bushflare]

@@allandavies1642 World War 11?!!! Holy shit, how long was I asleep? Did Germany win one yet? Gags aside, I do agree that Trump has continued drone bombings in certain conflicts and I’m not a fan of the scale it’s being done on. It’s still overall a scale back from before though and he’s actually fostered a bunch of peace deals between hostile nations so I’ll take what I can get. As for inequality, generally inequality isn’t something people suffer from. It’s specifically the poverty that is the problem there. I have my own issues with the hyper-wealthy but it’s not with their money, it’s with things like IP law and anti-trust laws and how these things simply are not fit for purpose and how smaller businesses need to be able to better compete. The small businesses did thrive under Trump, as did most of the economy, until COVID hit, but even I’m skeptical as to sustainability there. As for Sanders/Corbyn and danger... naw son, they wouldn’t do it directly but they’d do so indirectly. For example, the whole Trident thing. Nukes are scary but you also cannot just be rid of the things since if you’re ever in a position where your enemy has nukes and you do not then you’ve already lost the war. A lot of what keeps the peace these days is the sheer overwhelming threat of a total war scenario with our technology. Peace is a hungry wolf and 2 very well armed sheep. I imagine those two would not be good at projecting the sort of power that helps keep people alive, but that gets us into a different debate about which approach is better so let’s just leave it as me having doubts. As for the pessimism at the end, cheer up, yo. We live in the healthiest, wealthiest, most advanced, most peaceful era of all human history and each measurable metric is incalculably in favour of the modern day being the best time ever to be alive. Tools like the internet are helping empower the individual more than ever before, we’re closer to cures for cancer and aids than ever before, etc. No matter how bad the modern day can feel, just try to spend a little time being grateful for how good we have it, y’know? Could be better, but we’re working on that, ain’t we?

[@joemannish2557]

Isn’t it a bit funny that everyone has put pressure on the Labour Party over this - but where’s that same fire for the Islamaphobia and general racism within the Tories?

[@gabeitch2694]

Islamaphobia is somewhat normalised

[@goodlookingcorpse]

The Labour Party has the unfortunate handicap that it appeals to people who care about racism.

[@dynamitelgy243]

Give an example of when the conservative party was anti islam ?

[@chuksajeh1813]

@@dynamitelgy243 he compared Muslim women wearing burkas to looking like letter boxes and said it was ridiculous they chose to wear them. Source: BBC UK. He also used a racial slur and called black people who were welcoming the queen, piccaninnies. Source: The Independent.

[@chuksajeh1813]

@@dynamitelgy243 about Boris Johnson leader of the Tory Party

[@theredtechnician]

In my view corbyn was a sacrificial lamb to wave take away the allegations and the mainstream establishments way of completely retaking the Labour party

[@HeadsFullOfEyeballs]

Also, the allegations were invented specifically so that Corbyn could be "sacrificed".

[@hedydd2]

@@HeadsFullOfEyeballs Nonsense. All Corbyn had to do was fully endorse the independent report and not make excuses and he would still be in place.

[@analogsentimentalism]

This is ridiculous, after the report coming out there's absolutely no reason for corbyn to undermine the EHRC and then not take back his statements. .

[@jordanreeseyre]

The former leader was never media savvy. He may be right about the problem being exaggerated, but equivocating now is the worst time to be undercutting your leaders message.

[@HeadsFullOfEyeballs]

@@hedydd2 The report wasn't "independent" -- it was compiled by a commission run by and for Tories, headed by someone who got caught in undeclared campaigning for the Tories. Its only significant output previously have been reports on anti-English bigotry (lol) in Welsh and (iirc) Scottish universitites. This same commission just declined to investigate allegations of islamophobia in the Tory party. This report is a transparent political hit job, and everyone involved knows it. The only reason the Blairites are pretending to take it seriously is because it'll help them get rid of Corbyn. If this same report had come out at any other time it'd have been (rightly) dismissed as a partisan attack.

[@babybeel8787]

The UK is just a mess right now

[@joshnicholson2934]

Labour is causing a massive amount of it by being so fucking weak.

[@publicenemynumber1940]

@@joshnicholson2934 I hope that labour becomes irrelevant and gets replaced. It's not a left wing party. The centrists should go and join the other worthless centrists in the lib Dems.

[@toyotaprius79]

@@joshnicholson2934 it looked like years of bureaucratic self sabotage from over here 🇮🇪

[@Zenocius]

Always has been.

[@joshnicholson2934]

@@publicenemynumber1940 you're all correct in my opinion. I wouldn't ever support them, I grew up under a labour government and went hungry, we had next to no support as a family. Now they are not in power and they can't even be a remotely strong opposition. Whoever is in power , if you don't have a strong opposition, the government party will run away with it and we're now not far off being a one party state because the opposition is just a joke and no they're not even left wing really as a party at least.

[@samdoesvids1339]

Also important to note that Corbyn made a deal with Starmer to be reinstated with Corbyn releasing a clarifying statement and the whip being restored, Corbyn released the clarification but Starmer broke the deal. Now Corbyn is taking Starmer and the party to court. (Also the Labour Party ethics committee unanimously decided to reinstate Corbyn's party membership, now it is only his parliamentary membership which is withdrawn)

[@williamdavidthompson6306]

Note the issue of the Labour Leaks, which suggested that Labour Party Bureaucrats deliberately ignored anti-Semitism complaints in order to make Corbyn look bad. Scanning through the EHRC report, it says, "We have considered the leaked report and taken it into account where appropriate. However, we have done so while bearing in mind that we have not seen all of the evidence on which the conclusions in the leaked report were based." Which is as much to say "We've taken it into account, but not really...".

[@toyotaprius79]

Aye, but it's not good for the narrative, is it?

[@Salted_Fysh]

No, it means 'We've taken it into account but this has little to do with the purpose of this report which is not to make a value-based judgement on internal party politics but to investigate the charge of systemic anti-semitism in the labour party.' Corbyn wasn't thrown out of the party for his actions or lack of actions regarding anti-Semitism. He was thrown out of the party for basically saying 'this report is nonsense, the labour party has no issue with anti-semitism. Either way, whether it was him who interferred in the party internal report or others, is completely irrelevant to the EHRC report.

[@TheBloodsuger150]

They have taken it into account as much as a person who didn’t desperately want to believe it would.

[@williamdavidthompson6306]

@@TheBloodsuger150 Are you insinuating that the Labour Leaks are not real?

[@YouTube2021FM]

The same report which leaked names of complainants and was dismissed independently by the Labour legal team as being cherry picked, manipulated and at times highly misleading? That report?

[@jacobedward2401]

Could you imagine the Tories being scrutizined this closely? I think the difference is that labour supporters actually care... Also, why don't they kick out these alleged anti-semitic MPs instead of Corbyn?

[@daveorenstein7802]

Whataboutism to the Tories actually shows a lack of care.

[@philiplowcock1004]

The key word here is alleged. It was a scam

[@cazwalt9013]

Who cares

[@kyllerbuzcut]

@@daveorenstein7802 lol "whatsboutism" - ahh, the perennial claim of those trying to distract from the hypocrisy n

[@nigelthomas8315]

Can’t wait to see the report on Tory party’s racism 🤔

[@minah.]

Please, tell us just 1 racist thing from Tory party...

[@phooogle]

@@minah. Uh oh now you've done it :)

[@Karen1963Yorks]

You mean the report that does not exist? Tell me again which Party actually promotes people of all ethnicity to cabinet roles based on ABILITY? Do not try and include Abbott who got her job after sleeping with Corbyn and NOBODY believes she got it on ABILITY.

[@Calum_S]

@@Karen1963Yorks like there's not be accusations of Islamophobia levelled against the Tories. Troll on.

[@Karen1963Yorks]

@@Calum_S Your man has been found guilty as sin. Hating racists does not make me a troll. Defending them? what does that make you?

[@pds8475]

He wasn't responsible to tackle anti Semitism in the party. There is a disciplinary procedure which is separate from the leadership and should not have the leadership involved. Which the report complains about because there where a few instances where the leaders office interfered. They didn't say Corbyn had interfered and the interference could have been Tom Watson trying to speed up the disciplinary proceedings. The Labour party was not found to be institutionally Anti Semitic but there was concern over the speed of which the Anti Corbyn head of the department was carrying out Anti Semitic investigations and noted that when he was replaced in 2018 the speed of Anti Semitic investigations increased. What got Corbyn suspended was saying that the public perception of Anti Semitism in the Labour party was exaggerated. Which is the truth.

[@Karen1963Yorks]

He was the LEADER. When the report was published he should have at least apologised but he tried to shift the blame yet again.

[@2011dyrose]

He didn't shift the blame. He simply stated that he agreed with most of the findings and that anti-Semitism was exaggerated for political reasons, which is backed up by evidence. Not a good day for free speech or democracy when saying the truth can get you sacked.

[@keithrobinson5752]

@@2011dyrose You means like his 'we won the argument' claim'

[@2011dyrose]

He did. Boris lied through his teeth. The media made dozens of "mistakes", all to the detriment of Corbyn or benefit of Boris. Corbyn presented evidence for everything he stated which was either ignored by the media or had rounding errors discussed as though they were outright lies, yet Boris' outright lies weren't given any scrutiny. Argument won in a highly rigged game.

[@seekingabsolution1907]

@@2011dyrose being a tory is playing politics on easy mode. The interests of the media, the old English aristocracy and the international corporations are aligned with yours.

[@Qeztotz]

If Starmer wants a labour civil war, the same thing that caused them to lose in 2010, he's going the right way about it.

[@humphrey4976]

Pretty sure he wants to purge labour of anti semitism which is making them unelectable

[@ZachLDB]

@@humphrey4976 Pretty sure the only “anti-semitics” they’ll find and purge are those that aren’t conservative-lite and who pose a threat to the 1% and their money.

[@Qeztotz]

@@humphrey4976 were that true the same level of criticism would be levelled at the islamaphobia of the conservative party, or the transphobia of caroline lucas, co-leader of the green party. The left wing of labour being accused of antisemitism is not a good look, and corbyn should have done something about it when he was leader, but that only the left wing is culpable for this kind of failure is telling that the push to oust them is political, not because of the antisemitism. This is illustrated perfectly by the scores of Jewish labour voters who have come out in opposition to his suspension.

[@TheSpHornet]

what should he have done then? he said down playing it has no place in the labour party, after which Corbyn immediately down plays it. should he just ignore it and be a man of word and no action?

[@Qeztotz]

@@TheSpHornet This problem is a much longer time in the making than just this week, and there is no simple solution to this issue now as any action is 'bad for publicity' as it were. The simplest place this started was 'New Labour' back in 1994, where Gordon Brown, a left wing labour minister, and Tony Blair, a sort-of-but-not-quite labour leader, joined forces to win the broadest possible majority. This paired two completely opposing ideologies, Left wing and Centricism, into one party, and it showed, this was when I first got to vote. What was ostensibly meant to be a best-of-both-worlds coordination did nothing of the sort, and not only didn't do anything the party promised in the election, but also actively rowed backwards on a number of social and union promises that were made to the left of the party (particularly in the north of britain, we'll come back to that later). Finally it culminated in Gordon Brown being prime minister for a little bit before the centrists in the party voted for Nick Clegg in the disastrous 2010 election. Unlike the conservative or libdems, labour's policy is decided by labour voters, and that means that it represents a much broader range of opinions and economic policy. And one of the biggest problems is that the centrists in the party have no loyalty to it. To win a parlimentary majority in 1997 labour sacrificed the left of its party, and when that left wing threatened to leave the centrists left instead. It is not possible to hold the two halves together for long before it falls apart. Blair and Brown managed it for thirteen years, and Corbyn and his deputy Tom Watson lasted five. Labour isn't a party, its three parties in a trenchcoat. Soon it will break, Unite and Momentum have already reduced their funding, and eventually like Labour itself split from the libdems, it will form a new party, and the tories will rule for a couple of decades more. So in summation, the solution to this problem would be to either replace the method by which the leader of labour is selected by a alternative voting method, IE you number your candidates rather than just pick one, or to introduce a proportional voting system to UK general elections. But Tony Blair shot down the Alternative vote in 2011, something that would have not only solved this but also brexit and the current plight of the liberal democrats, for which I have never forgiven him. TLDR: Labour now has two wings, the faux-Libdems, and the actual-labour, and they cannot agree on anything, and therefore IMO shouldn't try to.

[@VorosMedve]

This was ill-thought out by both Starmer and Corbyn: Corbyn’s comments were, possibly, preemptive of personal attacks (and who can blame him for that) but he could have waited and worded his statement differently (like he did in the Guardian interview, after being suspended). However, it is a clusterfuck for Labour and Starmer: Labour still managed 10 million votes despite their Brexit position and Corbyn being relentlessly smeared by the MSM. Now, some of that support from progressives may leave with Corbyn. The vote swing required from Tory to Labour is massive and they’re going to need to do more than win back the red wall...if I was Lib Dem/Greens I’d be promoting similar policies to Labour’s last 2 manifestos. Secondly, the action to suspend Corbyn without due diligence, perhaps coming directly from the leadership, was in violation of the EHRCs recommendations vis a vis transparency and political interference. Finally, the suspension is what we’re talking about and not anti-semitism, maybe this was a tactic all along, but it does disenfranchise the Jewish people who DID experience racism and were let down by Labour. Well done Keir, you really fucked that up.

[@GetMiloaLife]

Hi - you mention an EHRC report into Tory Islamophobia - as far as I know such a report is not in progress at all, indeed they dropped plans for such an investigation.

[@CharlieGB03]

After they all promised during the leadership debate that one would be carried out? I can’t believe I was fooled by their lies... again

[@GetMiloaLife]

I wouldn't say I ever believed it, but I sort of hoped someone would hold them to it...

[@danielwebb8402]

Correct. They explicitly confirmed they were not conducting one / no basis for one.

[@stevef1639]

The EHRC is an 'independant' body but is reliant on government funding. They dropped the Tory investigation back in May. In truth, the EHRC has pretty much been weaponised and the Tories and Labour just shout "Your racism is worse than ours !!" at each other.

[@Lennon6412]

@@GetMiloaLife The media in this country aren't in interested in holding the powerful to account. They are largely interested in protecting their salaries and the status quo.

[@2011dyrose]

AS rate of instance in LP is 0.0007% When compared to public perception of 30% it is very clearly been overstated and the report also states this. Out of a peak of 800,000 members there were 1,200 ACCUSATIONS of anti-Semitism. 200 of the accusations was by Hodge, all but 11 had no basis. Out of the above only 40 people were found guilty of anti-Semitism.

[@tomitiustritus6672]

Wait a minute. Do you say 400 out of 1200 complaints were filed by Ruth Smeeth alone? Do you have a source for that? Because that sounds somewhat crazy.

[@2011dyrose]

@@tomitiustritus6672 apologies. I got Hodge mixed up with Smeeth. And the number was 200, with a further 800 proven to have no basis.

[@alhollywood6486]

@@2011dyrose come on, you know you are dying to blame "The Jews", just get it off your chest you coward.

[@ForestFWhite]

Any action by a political party is political. Other details are incidental.

[@johnsomebody1753]

If a party does that, then ok, yes, "eating dinner", is political". If it's only individuals, or factions within a party, unite to eat dinner, then you seem to be trying to distort the issue. Are you a zionist ?

[@Karen1963Yorks]

So if an MP is expelled for getting caught paying rent boys with class A drugs then that is political?

[@ForestFWhite]

@@Karen1963Yorks Ive known those expelled if they were unpopular, and defended and covered up for if they were. No party throws away a useful asset just because they are amoral.

[@zoe_blackmore]

AGAIN > The temporary mural by the American artist Mear One (Kalen Ockerman) which was painted on a wall in Hanbury Street, London in mid September 2012 and which corbyn at the time viewed on his mobile phone only featured exaggerated characterizations of the following six figures depicted - Lord Rothschild, John D. Rockefeller, J. P. Morgan, Aleister Crowley, Andrew Carnegie and Paul Warburg - only two (Rothschild and Warburg) were of Jewish hertage. As soon as Corbyn found out of the potential antisemitic angle he declared "I sincerely regret that I did not look more closely at the image I was commenting on, the contents of which are deeply disturbing and anti-Semitic."

[@alastairbarkley6572]

It's a drawing straight out of 'Der Sturmer'. It made me cringe. I'm not Jewish - but old enough to have lived at a time when we had a much better idea of what (and how) the Nazis had done to the Jews of Europe. It's deeply offensive. You'd have to be blind, a liar or a moron not to see that.

[@utvara1]

@@ponderingspirit it does not matter what is true but we cant offend Jewish community and risk our society straining any more

[@peterlyk-jensen5099]

Im really curious to know what the examples of antisemitism that this row is all about are? You kind of forgot to mention any.

[@poo934]

maybe go and read the report then...

[@patrickcavanaghkilmartin]

Novara Media have read it & say it didn't lay it at Corbyns door. The labour right slowed down investigation into AS.

[@DJItchyBoo]

@@patrickcavanaghkilmartin That's because they don't make accusations of individuals but rather on organisations. It's not in their remit to 'lay it at Corbyn's door'. 'Novara media have read it'....yeah, because they're not bias at all. You should read it yourself. As for examples of anti-Semitism in the labour party - I'd advise you to watch the BBC panorama doc.

[@Karen1963Yorks]

So you are claiming the full investigation and its report of criminal levels of anti Semitism does not exist?

[@patrickcavanaghkilmartin]

@@DJItchyBoo I will be reading it, but I will say we all have bias. The Left generally have fair bias, in that they may have bias but they are likely to tell the truth. I'd trust them more than right or mainstream media. Panarama doc is well known to be extremely biased, to the point where there is to be a court case.

[@2011dyrose]

Joan Ryan is on the documentary "The Lobby" (on youTube) where she was discussing with Labour staff members and an Israeli embassidor on how to use allegations of anti-Semitism to remove political opponents.

[@ayylmao2190]

People like you are no better than nazi's, read the EHRC report, real anti-Semitim was present in the party and Corbyn failed to do anything about it

[@2011dyrose]

@@ayylmao2190 I've read it. Evidently you haven't. EHRC report states that Anti-Semitism was not endemic in LP. It does state that there was problems with prossessing AS cases pre March 2016, but once the staff responsible for that mess (they feature on the panorama AS hack job) were replaced the situation was remedied. EHRC also states that it was wrong when the leader's office stepped in to speed up 2 high profile cases (Jackie Walker & George Galloway).

[@alanhat5252]

@TLDR, you really _do_ need to review this, especially in light of the Forde Report (148 pages) & the actions following from the Chakrabarti Report. As becomes very obvious from these reports, timings are (or should have been) fundamental to your report.

[@Mageroeth]

You should rename this into labour party kicks out man of the people in favor of shitty policies for rich people.

[@belcavendishny]

Report says complaints were handled poorly by the Blair appointee, then better by the replacement appointed by Corbyn. How are people blaming this on Corbyn again?

[@omarakhtar3075]

Labour is a lame duck party, Corbyn needs to start a new party that actually holds to the real labour values and doesn't allow Tory-light members!

[@alastairbarkley6572]

Sure. Is that why all Corbyn's allies talked big about resigning and then melted like a chocolate teapot? Personally, I wouldn't wait for Corbyn and his Stalin lover chums to leave - I'd kick 'em out right now.

[@iAmTheSquidThing]

I’m all for having a wider variety of political parties. But don’t expect to win power that way. The country roundly rejected Corbyn at the last election.

[@omarakhtar3075]

@@iAmTheSquidThing I live in Scotchland so it's unlikely we'll be ruled over by his party ever again, but it would be good if our neighbours to the south were less rabid. Also he is a bit of a dinosaur but when I lived in the north of Englandshire in an ex mining town, it was people with his morals and ethics that we all hoped for as a prime minister. In time a party with his philosophy at heart would be a great boon to the country, I'm pretty sure he'll help the party pick a suitable leader for the future.

[@chriswatson3464]

Ken Livingstone was brought up in the report, its important to remember that Corbyn forced him out of the party within a year of his leadership.

[@eelvis1674]

There is a words difference between saying that a problem has been exaggerated for political gain and saying that it doesn't exist. Media coverage of the issue was overblown by omission.

[@TheBloodsuger150]

What about saying you reject some of the findings of an independent review into racism because you didn’t like the truth it found?

[@ONeill01]

@@TheBloodsuger150 Are you referring to Eden?

[@HeadsFullOfEyeballs]

​@@TheBloodsuger150 It wasn't an "independent" review though -- it was compiled by a commission run by and for Tories, headed by someone who got caught in undeclared campaigning for the Tories. Its only significant output previously have been reports on anti-English bigotry (lol) in Welsh and (iirc) Scottish universitites. This same commission just declined to investigate allegations of islamophobia in the Tory party. This report is a transparent political hit job, and everyone involved knows it. The only reason the Blairites are pretending to take it seriously is because it'll help them get rid of Corbyn. If this same report had come out under Blair, or two years from now under Starmer, it'd have been (rightly) dismissed as a partisan attack.

[@eelvis1674]

@@TheBloodsuger150 he never said he rejected the findings he said that the media and opposition within and without the party had exaggerated the extent of the problem which is true. Based on the fact they don't go on constantly about the racism in the conservative party, but I suppose they know that's par for the course and therefore not worthy of discussion

[@2011dyrose]

Most of the "interference" involved Corbyn asking not to be involved in the process and requests to expedite matters since they was no action for years. This was later corrected by implementing a process with trained staff under Formby.

[@kasper7203]

That's fine and good.. But being anti-islamiphobic never makes you an anti-semite.

[@iammrlazy]

I don't think Corbyn did enough to combat antisemitism when he was leader of the party but I certainly don't think he's an anti-semite. Bit in two minds about whether he should be suspended, I think he's almost definitely correct that the media portray the anti-semitism in the Labour Party as being exaggerrated in terms of how many members are actually antisemitic but I don't necessarily think now is the time to try and debate that point when obviously not enough had been done to combat that and with what Kier Starmer said in his speech, he didn't really leave Starmer or the Labour party much choice.

[@ayA.-ff4lh]

What happened in the party that was actually anti-semitic, against hebrew speakers, arabic speakers and if there are any left, aramaic speakers. Most of it was anti zionism. Additionally give an example of an example of anti semitism in the UK with a stereotype. Most of the greedy stereotypes allude to Israel's government/ zionists

[@ldno3747]

Corbyn is not charged with being an antisemite in the report at all. And that is why all this defense of Corbyn is nonsense, people are defending him as if he was when that is patently untrue. He was the party leader when there was a complete failure in the leadership to deal with the issue. No more, no less. That is literally what the report says, it does not at any point accuse of him of being an antisemite or allude to that being a conclusion.

[@TheDMG45]

I think Starmer's handling it in a politically savvy way, but Corbyn's spot on about the way its exaggerated in the media and party factions. Antisemitism is a stick to beat Labour with, it doesn't matter to what extent is actually exists within the party.

[@silverd20]

The people who pushed for being able to punish polititians based on idle and exagerated claims of bigotry are now suddenly finding why that is a bad idea.

[@seekingabsolution1907]

@@silverd20 they aren't exaggerated in the case of Tories. Tories in every study done on the matter are consistently shown to have higher rates of every kind of bigotry than both Lbaour and the general population of Britain. Go stick your false equivalence where the sun doesn't shine (you know, Rotherham)

[@silverd20]

@@seekingabsolution1907 and studies show blacks commit violent crimes at disproportional rates. Your point?

[@2011dyrose]

The report carefully avoids mentioning Ian McNichol (hostile to Corbyn & left) by name, but it does stipulate the dates (before March 2018) where the problems all stems from. Once Corbyn got Formby in charge things improved, which is states in the report.

[@falco919]

I think labours real problem is Starmers ability to teleport during press conferences, that shit spooky af

[@run2cat4run]

Does this means been anti-Israel's government make you anti-semitisn?

[@ldno3747]

No, it means you do not (as a whip) defy a clear party instruction. He is not the leader anymore, he needs to follow the instruction giving to him as a whip if he want's to retain it.

[@bookwormaf1471]

To the labour right and the tories, yes. But then they just use anti-semitism as a political bludgeon

[@davescott7680]

That annoys me as well that the 2 get conflated. You can have no problem with Jewish people or the religion, but have an issue with the Israeli governments treatment of Palestinians and policies.

[@anlumo1]

@@davescott7680 The Israeli government has declared such views as antisemitic. I'm sorry, but this is as official as it can be.

[@masahirosakurai8227]

@@anlumo1 Then I guess I'm antisemitic

[@j0nnyism]

I’m no fan of corbyn but I hate the use of lies to destroy someone you may disagree with

[@aepheastus]

Dame Margaret Hodge MP Made 200 complaints to the LP against 111 individuals only 20 were LP members none of their comments were found to be Anti-Semitic.

[@silenciothequiet3471]

What makes me uncomfortable with any anti-semitism talks or investigations is that no one bother to clarify first what is anti-Semitism. Is it a hatred of anything associated with Judaism and its affiliated culture? Is it a systemic and racially-motivated hatred of Jewish people? I find this question really relevant nowadays because the BLM has shown us you can't fight racial hatred or discrimination if you can't pinpoint concise evidences or patterns of it within specific contexts.

[@vilena5308]

It wasn't defined in the report?

[@koalasquare2145]

Yeah I find anti-Semitism really confusing. You can quite easily attribute black-racism to poverty as there is a racial wage gap. You can attribute anti-islamaphobia to the abundance of 'islamism' terrorism. I'm not saying I agree with that racism, but I can understand it. I don't know where to start with anti-Semitism.

[@lrowlands992]

@Camelot House ladies and gentlemen we have a live one!

[@koalasquare2145]

@Camelot House and you don't think the fact that back people were able to work for decades or the fact that they were essentially black-listed from the upper class jobs for another few decades during the Jim Crow era would have anything to do with that. It's like plating a game of mario kart where Lucio wasn't able to play the game for a minute and then being surprised when mario wins. Social mobility terrible and racial divides won't just magically fix themselves overnight. We can't treat everyone the same and expect it to fix inequalities which were started because people weren't treated the same.

[@silenciothequiet3471]

@Camelot House I don't know if you are truly clueless or dishonest. On the topic of systemic racism in the US, you have literally piles of data and reports compiled by many institutions such as federal agencies and civil rights institutions such as the NCAAP, Southern Poverty Law Center, Universities social and legal researches just to name few. If the statistical and economist pro in you do not agree with the methods for data collections or statistical computational models, refrain yourself to use verbose and vague generalities to hide what you really want to say. For myself I just a concise definition of what is anti-Semitism within specific legal, social and political contexts.

[@pauladams1829]

Corbyn's big mistake was not calling out the smear campaign from the start.

[@stevenpaulgoulding]

Corbyn should have expelled the anti-Semites from the Labour Party.

[@Normanskie]

Some Labour MP's have wandered lost their way and should be in the Conservative Party.

[@10101110101011001]

It's all very light on examples, aside from the mention of possible understanding of the perpetrators of the horrific Olympic terrorist attack. Interesting how criticism of, and resistance to Israeli policy is so often conflated with antisemitism.

[@garethrowlands]

The EHRC can tell the difference between legitimate criticism of Israeli policy and anti sematism. It's their job.

[@HeadsFullOfEyeballs]

@@garethrowlands They might be able to tell the difference in theory, sure. But since the commission is run by and for Tories (the head got caught illegally campaigning for the Tories), collaborating with the Blairite wing of Labour who deliberately threw the election to prevent Corbyn from enacting leftist policies, the report's conclusion was decided before they even started.

[@10101110101011001]

@@garethrowlands, in that case it would be nice to see some more specific examples than the ones brought up in this video. Do you have any?

[@FurieMan]

What are the actual antisemetik alegations? I get it that they seem to have handled the allegations very badly. But what are the acutal allegations?

[@gabeitch2694]

Yeah everywhere i look, i cant seem to find it

[@AbMaSync]

There have been many complaints of "inappropriate conduct" to many jewish sectors of the party that were silenced by high officials. How valid were these complaints are up to debate but it was a very bad look to instead of investigated they were closed with no further comments.

[@gartner101]

TLDR, now lots have people in your comments have corrected all your massive errors, how about you make a proper video on this subject. One that puts it in the proper context of the Right wing faction in the Party desperate to not to have a Left government.

[@aldente9470]

Wait why is graffiti considered antisemitism and Mohammed caricatures considered free speech?

[@FatRonaldo1]

Many people don’t consider it free speech and do consider it offensive but that was in France not in England

[@CM-db5cg]

Because mohammed caricatures are attacking the religion and the graffiti is attacking the followers of the religion. Although id still say its freedom of expression either way.

[@Khalafc24]

because mohammed's followers arent as powerful

[@toyotaprius79]

**THIS**

[@fabienso5889]

Something can be considered free speech and antisemitism at the same time Also context is key However can i point out that i have no idea wich graffity you are talking about(at the moment)

[@MoMo-ib9ej]

Starmer's shameless political maneuvering. Interested to see if we'll have this much controversy around an islamophobia investigation on the Tories...

[@StefanTravis]

Let us know if they ever define "anti-semitism".

[@Karen1963Yorks]

By using the internationally accepted definition which the Labour Party finally signed up to some years ago. The NO JEWS ALLOWED policy at some meeting ring a bell?

[@StefanTravis]

@@Karen1963Yorks What are you blithering about? What policy at what meetings?

[@Karen1963Yorks]

@@StefanTravis I am "on about" Labours long history of blatant hatred of Jewish people. The history you are so desperate to cover up.

[@StefanTravis]

@@Karen1963Yorks Examples please, not generalities.

[@Karen1963Yorks]

@@StefanTravis You can keep claiming none of this ever happened but all you are doing is showing yourself up for what you are. Keep going. We can talk about Abbots racism if you like or Corbyns friends in various terrorist groups.

[@lukebitton3694]

Imagine investigating racism in the Tory party lol

[@ramahozo]

Now the question is, will there be an investigation of anti-semitism in Conservative Party, and other parties, or not? As mentioned in the graph of this video, anti-semitism is rising, it's best to do another investigation of other parties so anti-semitism can finally be dealt with in UK politics

[@GetMiloaLife]

the Tories promised an investigation into allegations of islamophobia in their party, but it's conveniently vanished unsurprising since islamophobia is pretty much acceptable by most of Britain today

[@ramahozo]

@@GetMiloaLife yeah, any form of racism should be dealt with, not only to Labour but also the whole UK politics

[@HeadsFullOfEyeballs]

There won't be an investigation of the Tories. The commission that compiled this report is run by and for Tories. The head got caught campaigning for the Tories without declaring it. The purpose of this investigation was to purge Corbyn and his supporters -- we know they've already instructed their minions to monitor the social media accounts of suspected Corbyn sympathisers, so they can be suspended too if they criticise the report or the treatment of Corbyn. Once this purge is complete, the only context in which antisemitism will be brought up is to tar leftists who criticise Israel's policies.

[@Capt.Thunder]

You're obviously not a right winger if you think that the Tories dislike the Jews. The Tories are many things, anti-Semitic isn't one of the. If anything they go too far in the other direction, to the point where they give Jews a special protected status over the rest of the populous, which any liberty-minded person who wants equality under the law would oppose.

[@ramahozo]

@mark white You clearly didn't watch the video, watch it again, he says it's on the rise in wider society

[@tlongie6055]

EHRC: Labour leader and General Secretary's office need to stop interfering with AS allegations. Kier Starmer: Corbyn, you're fired. 🤨🤔🙄

[@silversmoke4902]

Tom Longfield Corbyn was suspended completely independently, Starmer had nothing to do with it, but he does support the decision made to suspend Corbyn.

[@shohid1234]

@@silversmoke4902 you must be smoking something mate if you think corbyn sacking had nothing to do with starmer

[@silversmoke4902]

abdul shohid The General Secretary deals with suspensions, in this case David Evans. One of the main criticisms of the report was that the previous leadership involved itself in the disciplinary process - Starmer would be keen to avoid such stumbles. In all honesty the party had 0 choice, with Starmer saying that anybody who said the issue of antisemitism was exaggerated had no place in the party, and Corbyn later saying that the problem was exaggerated and when asked to retract his statement refused. He chose a sad hill to die on. I’m not saying that the problem wasn’t overstated (personally I think it was) but Corbyn should’ve been much more aware of the political climate and that going against Starmer would leave the party with no choice but to suspend him.

[@alastairbarkley6572]

@@shohid1234 So, you have no evidence that it wasn't done according to the rulebook but we have to believe you that Starmer did it because...why?

[@chefroud2415]

Never put a Sir in charge of a party of workers.

[@peterhiggins2928]

And there we have it, the 2016 Chicken Coup finally succeeds.

[@envysart797]

This is a terrible stitch up on behalf of some faction of Labour against the party’s progressive wing, and it’s a terrible shame. I would not feel comfortable voting labour until Starmer resigns at this point.

[@Bushflare]

You mean establishment media and establishment politicians can cooperate to smear outsider candidates with blatant lies we shouldn’t be so quick to believe? *peers curiously at Trump*

[@tonyb9735]

There we go again .... minimising and denying the problem exists. You should be ashamed.

[@envysart797]

@@tonyb9735 don’t think I ever said the problem doesn’t exist - I’m saying that for some people in the party it was beneficial to ignore it rather than fix, it as Corbyn was trying to fix it.

[@apples8754]

Corbyn was blocked doing more about antisemitism by the Blair wing of the party, yet antisemitism decreased under his leadership compered to previous Labour leaders. Antisemitism was largely exaggerated and became a really big issue for Labour mainly because of the loss of public support. That's why Stammer kicking Corbyn out of the party was the best choice, distancing himself from him. If Labour want's to stay competitive and move past the antisemitism issue it was necessary.

[@philiprowney]

I guess Labor takes another jump to the right like in '94, John Smith was the best Labor PM we never had. Blair was the Tory in the Labor party and a bit of a bag-man in the end. So many polices twisted by the Tories that Blair put in... [ to hell with all this, I may have to move to NZ ]

[@gubernatorial1723]

We have here in NZ a Labour Govt that refuses like it's its last stand to address poverty. Despite their official slogan of 'Be Kind'. The hypocrisy is mind-blowing, yet this shit just won them the first majority govt in our 20 odd years proportional representation history. On the other hand we have splendid summers, especially east of the main ranges.

[@noodle1987able]

Massive holes in this sadly Corbyn remarks came initially before the speech by Starmer. The artwork he commented on wasn't aimed at Jews at all, it was aimed at bankers, most of the men depicted at the table were not Jewish. The quote of the artist is taken out of context. The EHRC report itself states that talking about perceptions of the level of antisemitism isn't antisemitic and is protected by the human rights act. It is important to mention this as the EHRCs note is the basis of the argument that corbyn should not be removed.

[@ExpendableRedshirt]

The report points out that the processing of complaints improved when Corbyn's people replaced the old guard who he was accusing of dragging their feet. Those 29 interferences were wrong under the rules, but look more closely and you will see they were mostly about getting cases moving more quickly. Also, no mention of the fact that as they left their positions the old-guard staffers shredded thousands of documents, so that their replacements had to start from scratch on most cases not yet decided. Starmer better hope and pray that he does not need a membership vote anytime soon, because the majority are pissed off at this. Anyway, I can see a division within the party coming. Not a new party, but a new grouping of M.P.s sitting with Corbyn who will hold the leadership hostage to their own demands. That might not be a bad thing...

[@alastairbarkley6572]

So, basically, you reject the ECHR's findings? Carry on. That's worked so well so far...

[@ExpendableRedshirt]

@@alastairbarkley6572 No, I'm not rejecting their findings at all, that is your interpretation, not mine. I'm pointing out some facts that those opposed to Corbyn just do not want to talk about. Don't be afraid to see the whole story.

[@praveeshachapman677]

What I find hilarious is that they took an incredibly exaggerated case of systemic anti-Semitism seriously, but the Tories don't bother to do anything about systemic racism in wider society. Johnson himself has said racist things in the past with seemingly no consequences. Society is muddled.

[@__chinmay__]

Because the Tories are made to be xenophobic

[@praveeshachapman677]

@@__chinmay__ "Made to be" by who? It's not some conspiracy theory. Boris Johnson has literally said racist things himself, Priti Patel is very much against immigration as shown by her policies, a lot of Tories in parliament vote against refugees coming here and immigration in general. Racist, right-wing people are more likely to vote Tory than labour. It's not a conspiracy, its fact.

[@Lennon6412]

A few points: The Jewish Labour Movement don't require you to be Jewish or a Labour member (!) to be a part of their group. 4 men were jailed as a result of abusing Luciana Berger. They were all from the far right. While it's fair to say Corbyn didn't do enough to tackle anti-semitism, it significantly improved under his watch, specifically under Jennie Formby. He politically intervened in cases (which many on the right of the party like Tom Watson etc and those from the press were calling on him to do), sometimes to act more drastically to enact suspensions (Ken Livingstone) under media and political pressure. The report ignored the findings of people on the right of the party deliberately holding back cases in order to reflect badly on the LOTO. Article 10 of the ECHR (referenced in the report) allows Labour members to say that the scale of the problem was overstated. He was right to say that it was overstated by the media and political opponents. The point you make at 8:35 was incorrect. The public were asked what percentage of members were facing complaints of anti-semitism. Public thought it was 34%, actually 0.3%. So there's no caveat needed there as both were covering the same point about what percentage of Labour members were facing complaints, i.e. known to the party. The recommendations of the report are quite fair. An independent complaints process would improve things. Labour is quite badly run and has been for some time, this goes far beyond handling anti-semitism complaints. The decision to suspend him flies in the face of the EHRC recommendation. The suspension doesn't reference a rule that he is alleged to have broken, which means the decision is likely to be overturned. This is a poor decision from Starmer and Corbyn would likely win in court if it got that far. I hope it doesn't, as that would be particularly embarrassing for a QC!

[@tmakalpha1]

The suspension wasn't in response to the EHRC report but to Corbyn's refusal to retract his remarks

[@ldno3747]

Again, you missed why he was suspended. He holds the whip, therefore in line with UK parliamentary norms he has to follow the party leadership instructions or it can be withdrawn. He was told clearly the night before what the party line would be, but he just couldn't resist making himself out to look like a victim once again and he defied that instruction. His best move would have been say nothing at all, but he just couldn't resist making himself the martyr. As a whip, that was a bad move and one done so publicly would have to be handled by the party in a manner that is consistent with the Leaders stated goal.

[@Lennon6412]

@@tmakalpha1 I don't recall saying that it did... The EHRC report says the disciplinary process should be free of political interference. Starmer interfered in the disciplinary process himself.

[@Lennon6412]

@@ldno3747 You're treating him as if he is a member of the shadow cabinet, he's a backbencher and backbenchers frequently stray from the party line. This is not grounds for suspension. The General Secretary could not reference a rule that was breached and as the General Secretary, he does not have the power to enact suspensions, this is delegated. If you're what your saying is correct, that not toeing the party line is grounds for suspension from the party itself then that is incredibly authoritarian. The correct procedures have not been followed in this instance too. This is quite worrying, do you want someone to be PM that doesn't follow proper protocols? I agree that it wasn't wise to make the comment (even if it was correct) at that point in time. However, his comments are protected under article 10 of the ECHR which is referenced several times in the report.

[@utvara1]

@@Lennon6412 you are one of rare people here who know this issue in depth, how do you know so much about the subject?

[@run2cat4run]

Will there be a report in racism in Tories?

[@HeadsFullOfEyeballs]

Nope, the commission that compiled the Corbyn hit job has officially stated that they won't be investigating islamophobia in the Tory party. That idea was floated while they were working on the antisemitism report in order to make them seem impartial, but now the job is done, so there's no more need for the pretense.

[@jwil4286]

Does this mean that Labour is looking to have a 5-election losing streak?

[@dh1380]

Probably

[@edsr164]

I hope so

[@praveeshachapman677]

I'm sad Corbyn didn't come to power, he seemed a genuinely good person, and not a psycho like the average politician.

[@Secret_Moon]

Corbyn brought this upon himself singlehandedly, at the same time causing further rift within the party. I am not saying his defense that antisemitism in Labour under his leadership has been exaggerated for political reason is not right. But what he failed to understand is that whether it's real or not, it's a terrible PR disaster for Labour, and Starmer are trying his best to do damage control. It has always been one of Corbyn's biggest weakness: He doesn't understand PR. Facing this fallout, he could have kept quiet, or simply accepting his incompetence about the issue (it's not like he's directly linked to this antisemitism, only the failure to deal with it). Instead, right after Starmer's speech about zero tolerance to dismissing the scope of the problem, he had to jump his mouth and did exactly that. He left Starmer with no choice besides expelling him, or else his entire effort of damage control would look completely fake in the public eyes. Corbyn knows he still has strong support in the party, some of it even rather extreme. And instead of doing the right thing and try to keep the party together under this storm, he just threw in another match to ignite a civil war within the party.

[@byrnemeister2008]

This 100 times. Corbyn is just to stubborn to be an important political figure. He is very dogmatic and always try’s to prove that he is right and has always been right. Hence the statement over this issue. He didn’t have to make it. He didn’t have to phrase it so that he undermined the leader he chose to do that. Then he chose not to re-state it in a way that would be aligned to Starmer. As an important figure in a political party this is political suicide. What is Starmer supposed to do? Lie down and be a doormat.? Corbyn seems to be in politics to win the argument not to make real changes that affect people lives. My two cents.

[@Moldymessiah98]

I for one couldn't be happier. Labour needed sweeping reforms and an exodus of the members who can be attributed with the failure of the previous campaign to show that labour is atleast trying to regain its lost supporters and this works perfectly well. Also, with how big of a deal the antisemitism has become, his remarks were the bare minimum that people would expect, and he simply cannot allow himself to be seen as weak. If Corbyn wasn't so prideful he would've accepted that he may have been wrong and avoided a split in the party.

[@ollief116]

It wasn’t actually Starmer who made the decision to suspend him..

[@DaBigWilliG1995]

That’s because the leader of a party is not meant to do the firing he’s meant to stay neutral and let the part go through the process

[@Batemann1980]

It was he is fibbing about it now they realised he shouldn’t have done it 😂

[@Lennon6412]

It was, he said so himself on LBC when interviewed by Nick Ferrari.

[@ollief116]

@@Lennon6412 nope he was consulted but didn’t make the final decision

[@Lennon6412]

@@ollief116 Listen to what he said in interviews yesterday because you'd be surprised.

[@Himmelhauser]

The report is a compromised document, which tries to have it both ways, presenting in the fine print a fairly mild assessment, while at the same time giving ammunition to the Corbyn-hating media ( and Starmer) to woefully and willfully misrepresent its findings. The report did not find Corbyn guilty of antisemitism, and did not find that Labour under Corbyn was institutionally antisemitic. The very few complaints that were upheld were minor and open to challenge. Many of the cases where the leader’s office interfered with the complaints process were to speed it up so that culprits found to be culpable could be expelled forthwith. Starmer jumped on this issue as his chance to expel Corbyn and get rid of many of his supporters, myself included. Instead of expelling the former leader he should be backing him and defending the party from factional attacks.

[@AjayESharma]

This is ridiculously one sided. Not even one mention of the Labour Leaks? Completely biased.

[@jakkyte5733]

Wasn't Starmer in the same party when this debacle was occurring ? Why didn't he resign from the opposition bench like others did in protest ? Well he didn't, and to me he's tarred with the same brush as Corbyn.

[@dgayle25]

Corbyn speaks truth to power. Starmer is either part of the machine or too naive to deal with such nuanced issues.

[@dukedragon28]

uhhh, what? Corbyn was not a leader, the report implies this because he took little to no action on Anti-Semitism , even when his own party said change needed to happen. He just attacked the Government in whatever was was popular. Corbyn stepped outside of the machine, abandoned and betrayed half of his base, and dragged the entire party down to its worse defeat since World War 2

[@tonyb9735]

"Corbyn speaks truth to power" Oh don't be so stupid.

[@jtrevm]

Why suspended? Can't answer without reading the report. About an hour needed. Then look at who has said / done what. Starmer cannot be faulted if you look at the evidence of the 24 hours after publication. JC's statement was an invitation - push me if you dare. Starmer was challenged - and a decent leader doesn't scuttle away from the job. The AS matters are covered in the report. The politics are clear. And I for one want a Labour government asap.

[@seekingabsolution1907]

If they applied this same scrutiny to the Tories they'd never get elected again.

[@jordanreeseyre]

Certainly politically savvy. The former leader never particularly good at handling the media & equivocating would've undercut the current leaders image.

[@nonah60]

have you seen the polls? Or any analysts takes? even tory ones are pointing out this was a wrong move.

[@TheSpHornet]

@@nonah60 oh it is bad, but the alternative would have been worse. no suspension would mean starmer was all talk and no action. it would undermine him as a leader.

[@nonah60]

@@TheSpHornet he could of just not talked. And so no need to follow through. Or as other pundits have pointed out, disagreed with Cornyn, and focused on the report. Or if you want harder, he could of recommended and implemented what was in the report - avoided senior meddling in a reports pricedure and allowed it to be handled independently. And of the day he never needed to rise to this. It hurts the party more than it helps and most importantly hurts the Jewish Labour members who have had the reports findings muddied with all this game playing.

[@josephinewinter]

good point

[@danielsteinberg7416]

Waiting for a similar report about the Conservatives.

[@Neofolis]

As Jeremy Corbyn said, it is a very small percentage of the party that has been exaggerated by the Conservatives and the media. That said, given that the Conservatives and the media were always going to use it as a political weapon, Corbyn should have done more to disarm them. Starmer had no choice but to appear as though he is taking a very hard stand against anti-semitism and the fact that Corbyn wasn't willing to agree to the lines his new leader had drawn is more than enough reason to remove the whip. Equally, Corbyn has always stood by his beliefs and I would have fully expected him to refuse to take back his comments. Either way, I don't see any other way this could have gone.

[@utvara1]

Of course the antisemite would lessen the numbers and be a denier... so obvious

[@imo6927]

Will you do a livestream during the US election?

[@leojames7331]

Over 11 minutes and not a single mention of the word Zionsim when we all know it is a huge factor in this whole debate

[@lord6617]

I came here as a Litmus test to see whether you were corporate tools or honest blokes. Verdict: corporate tools. Just another hit piece on Corbyn to serve your corporate masters.

[@terencekreft482]

Same old crap. Corbyn has not been kicked out he's been suspended.

[@terencewallis540]

Mmm.......there's deep difference ? He's been insulted whether suspended or kicked out. The EHCR is a righ-twing funded attack dog. Remember the Aljezzera videos The Lobby ? All this is cooked up in Jerusalem.

[@aliwright1016]

Got a letter the same day saying my membership is about to finish !! I'm all paid up so I tried to call but the phone lines are not available to even discuss it ...very strange it all happened the same day

[@SimWyatt]

To me, Kier's actions and statements seem to be more aimed at letting Murdoch know that under his leadership the party will not embrace left wing positions than tackling actual antisemitism.

[@rastamouse3624]

yeah starmer said that he wants labour to be a central party now and as an undecided voter i am totally for that

[@berlindude75]

Roth-schild, not Roths-child. Pronounced "ROATSHILD" (from archaic German, "red shield").

[@ummerfarooq5383]

Rust child

[@greenmachine5600]

Why can't people pronounce it right. The correct pronunciation is much cooler. Damn englishmen pronouncing it wrong

[@BB-mr3vy]

It would have made for better reporting if you had scratched the surface of the allegations against Corbyn, rather than just parroting the smears. E.g. the fact that the wreath laying in Tunisia was to commemorate the civilian victims of a 1985 air strike, and that the cemetery just happened also to contain the graves of the Munich perpetrators. And the fact that mural just depicts the specific historical figures who founded the modern financial system, most of whom were not Jewish.

[@utv5490]

What happened to the anti-semitic MPs that we heard about when Corbyn was in power?? I thought that they would be publicly weeded out. It seems to have become a non issue now Corbyn has gone.

[@utv5490]

Silence. Total silence 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@cathjones4899]

If there is any doubt that this is political, you have not been paying attend TLDR. This report calls into question every report on any subject you have done and I will not be confident in your analysis from now on.

[@TheRenegadeMonk]

TLDR tries to keep a neutral tone in order to remain credible across the widest range of people. They rarely draw subjective conclusions. Criticising them for this only harms what I suspect is a desire for truthful news reporting.

[@cathjones4899]

@@TheRenegadeMonk this is just parroting accusations which were not impartial in the first place, repeating this is not impartial, it’s collusion. That is important context. Your report did not even begin to sum up this issue. Extremely disappointing.

[@aefun5761]

Well, Starmer is coming out of this looking virtuous isn't he? I'll look forward to the EHRC report into racist in the Tory party. Oh, wait, never going to happen, is it?

[@ldno3747]

You do understand how the EHRC works right ? If you want that investigation you have to formally report the cases of discrimination to the EHRC for their action.

[@00dude3]

Because the party doesn't actively discriminate against minorities.

[@tonyb9735]

@@00dude3 Indeed, it actively discriminates against everybody.

[@rmtab6511]

I don't get this at all. Like, how anti-semitic are we talking? Relative to the average level of bigotry in the UK, this seems pretty overstated.

[@utvara1]

*YOU SOUND LIKE AN ANTISEMITE AND A DENIER* the number of victims and antisemites must be true

[@rmtab6511]

@@utvara1 You sound like a racist.

[@cathjones4899]

So no attempt to do anything other than repeat the allegations then? These have been adequately defended against. This is not analysis, it’s giving a very shallow representation of the context during which any of this happened. This is just more abuse of the truth.

[@ayA.-ff4lh]

The term anti-semitic is inaccurate, that would include the discrimination of arabic, aramaic and hebrew speakers all together. Additionally, most of the 'anti semitic' behaviour are more anti-zionist, against the tyranny of Israel's government. Even many Jews are against the corruption in the Israeli government

[@HeadsFullOfEyeballs]

The meaning of words is non-compositional and conventional -- you can't expect to know exactly what a word means just by looking at the literal meaning of its constituent parts. That's just how language works. Do you complain that people use "globalization" wrong because it literally means "make ball-like"?

[@utvara1]

NEWS: its the same! now back to your cave mr antisemite "Tyranny" smh

[@gowanlock]

Hey TLDR, why did you edit Kiers speech into your own video, why not let it be presented as it was said?

[@kevintoner6068]

Would make this video too long if the whole video was showed. I trust that the edits are done to condense the main points in the shortest time possible. If you wanna see the full video it’s easily accessible anyway

[@pablohanc]

So, now that the forde report has landed, will this be getting updated?

[@murphymagic33]

Let's see, i suspect TLDR is 2 bit journo outfit and wont re-walk and reanalyse their earlier themes, i hope they prove me wrong, but if I don't see it, I'm un-subbing as TLDR will have proven itself unreliable, its borderline playschool level analysis by TLDR in any case,

[@derekjc777]

At 10:03, why SEP 30 and not OCT 30?

[@foxyboiiyt3332]

When did the Daily Mail take over the policy of the Labour party?

[@ramel684]

It's almost unbelievable to me that Corbyn said something so obviously stupid, it's not like this kind of argument is new, how could he not see that this would be the obvious result?

[@2011dyrose]

Corbyn made a statement based in fact. Do you want to live in a society where telling the truth is punished, especially when that truth is inconvenient to those in power?

[@2011dyrose]

@Love Not Hate I'm basing my response on the content of the EHRC as well as statistical reports on the media.

[@2011dyrose]

@Love Not Hate I suggest you read the EHRC.

[@ramel684]

@@2011dyrose Corbyn added a whiney and uneccessary defensive line to his response that look bad and recieved an entirely predictable response. I'd like to live in a world where we had a left wing leader capable of responding to criticism like a grown up, and not embarressing themselves with such obvious own goals. Corbyn's sheer fecking incompetence has been the worst thing to happen to the British left since Thatcher

[@2011dyrose]

@@ramel684 so what was the "whiney" line? Was it to do with the media and opponents exaggerating AS by over 1,000x by any chance? So you think people should be sacked for being "whiney"?

[@heartinflames]

So many holes...

[@awol2602]

Given the fact that public perception rightly or wrongly (almost certainly very wrongly) viewed the problem as about 30%, the statement Corbyn made was completely justified. He owed it to himself . Every sentient being knows that media portrayal of anti-semitism in the Labour party was inflating public perception of the scale of the problem within the Labour Party. Unfortunately since the issue in need of redressing had become perceived as that extensive, the real hurt caused to the Jewish Community as a result needs to be atoned for, and leaves Starmer no choice but to forbid any claims of exaggeration. This hurts the huge majority of Labour members who are very much not anti-semitic. The dilemma is a real one. It'll be interesting to see how it becomes solved.

[@gartner101]

The real hurt to the Jewish community was caused by those making false AS accusations for political reasons. The whole media class is a disgrace.

[@utvara1]

Of course the antisemite would lessen the numbers and be a denier... so obvious and nasty

[@gartner101]

@@utvara1 Calling someone who isn't an antisemite is antisemitic - you stand accused. Corbyn did not lessen the numbers or deny the reality, he reported the actual real verifiable numbers.

[@awol2602]

@@utvara1 Understand how you see it -

[@batbrewer3756]

Good old Labour, you can't beat a load of self-inflicted damage just when your opponents (no, no, the Tories!) are plunging in public esteem. All Labour / Starmer needed to say was "We take this report very seriously, we will carefully study its content and recommendations, and will announce and take appropriate actions in due course. NOW, as we were saying, about Corona and Brexit and the incompetence and corruption of this shower of Tory tossers."

[@joeyjoejoeshabadoo]

delighted that the man has been disgraced

[@wehavefive]

Your quote of Corbyn ending at 8:35 was not transcribed correctly.

[@koalasquare2145]

Antisemitism makes no sense to me