WHY CW SHOWS KEEP GETTING WORSE (Video Essay)

[@NERDYB4ITWASCOOLTV]

Reading some of thes comments and some of y'all really scrolling to find some hate to chime in. The internet is a weird place man 😂 🤣 Regardless whether you agree or disagree with my points thanks for tuning in. BIG Shoutout to the people who disagreed and kept it respectful. I'm all for some positive discussion. This was my first scripted video and although I would've changed a couple things I'm happy with the result. #From12to12K #StayNerdy

[@fsociety7494]

All American is a good show. But Barry and Iris growing up calling the same person dad and getting together, absolutely was crazy.

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[@Tinomafi]

Happy I found this channel bro- Keep it up!

[@notuptome]

They do not shoot multiple Seasons for the shows up there at all they shoot 1 season at a Time as they are large season and they do take breaks they cant shoot more then 1 season as they dot know if they will be back for the next season to have another season as well as the producers and writers write throuut the time off and during the show the 23 episodes they usually ae set to Film . it Cost lots of money to Film ese shows regardless where they are Sot at so shooting Multi seaso in 1 sle run would make no sense and also Brakes between a season the Actors have roughly 3 maby 4 months of Off time as wel before the Pandemic they wold start filming in Mid july and Film till March with Holiday Break ok Sorry long Rant but roughly that is how it is done and why they dont film more then 1 season of a show .

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[@noname-mw7oy]

Every CW superhero show can be summed up in this formula: - starts off well, willing to make bold and big choices to develop the main characters - lack of planning causes them to panic because they killed off their important characters in the beginning seasons so they add an unnecessary amount of supporting cast members - show becomes a frustrating soap opera with a million sub plots that are unnecessary to the main characters

[@story_of_the_year_fan]

*refuse to kill off the new characters nobody cares about, at least flash has no stakes anymore

[@pookiesis1465]

I loved Arrow when it first came out, but then it became college esqe camp. Like, there is always a storyline where someone is keeping a secret, and they can solve their problems by simply telling the truth, but then the truth comes out there is chaos

[@skategrindo]

Except batwoman that was shit right away

[@chanler17]

7:00 tht shit funny asf 😂

[@davidkymdell452]

I've never seen a CW show that even started off well...for me anyway.

[@freddyfleal]

Another trope I hate in the CW superhero shows is the "team in the base". Every show has the CSI-like team in the base that supports the hero. It's a lazy cliché.

[@leonlwf]

The team in the base always comes up with a magical solution that let's the hero defeat the villain. It's BS. Especially in the early seasons of The Flash.

[@willier47]

I hate that shit. They got it from Buffy, but it worked there. Arrow really went down hill when he had more people then just Diggle and Felicity. Season 1 was perfect Arrow.

[@Haxcks114]

It's even more disappointing when you realize the flash in the cw universe has had his powers for 8 plus years and still needs an entire entourage holding his hand just to beat a basic ass villian especially with a power as op as his but the flash was a lost cause since season 1 and its too far gone now so I just hope they end the show already instead of dragging it on for another 20 seasons

[@retroRanger64]

I kinda think they do this on purpose to prevent being 100% reliant on the main actor. The seasons are long and having a team/supporting cast help with the workload and also make it easier when they do the crossovers.

[@TheNathon11]

I would love for a show like The Flash to lose his team and his speed thinking would have to kick in and work in a fight to think of a solution

[@keithhamilton736]

Don’t forget the feelings in hallway trope. Every show has a character get into a heated exchange and storm off and another character will say “I’ll go talk to them” leading to a heart to heart scene that ALWAYS feels like padding to get the show to a hour long.

[@Forsoothious]

Yeah..... Barry Allen being a whiney little shit and cheesy effects which makes DC Universe tv shows like Titans better.

[@Coolsomeone234]

*Meanwhile in Daredevil*

[@kingmanalo2881]

U mean the The Flash LOL

[@Forsoothious]

@@kingmanalo2881 yea "stupid face expression"

[@awilmart]

There’s also this thing they do. I don’t know if there’s a term for them. I call them CW turns. Two characters will talk, character 1 will leave and character 2 will call out character 1’s name or tell them to wait or something, character 1 will stop turn around and character 2 will give a speech. I don’t mind this once in a while, but it gets annoying when it’s done all the time.

[@bennemeth625]

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[@NERDYB4ITWASCOOLTV]

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[@Thought_box03]

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[@rhymeiotastic3353]

Facts … I like being put on to good videos

[@jarrodbanks4289]

@@NERDYB4ITWASCOOLTV I was gonna sub and like but u blew it when u asked me to do it twice in the video...don't like being told or asked. Just wanna be able to do it on my own free will....just a word of advise for future reference

[@logank8727]

@@jarrodbanks4289 bro he had 13 subs and had to grow his following, what did u expect. Plus generally people don't remember smaller things in longer videos, which is probably why he reminded the viewers.

[@OrionPaxG4]

I love how you address the fact that because these a drama shows they needlessly force drama for the sake of drama. Like you could cut the runtime of these shows by %50 if you remove the pointless soap opera

[@edub3030]

That was always my issue. I don't care about the personal drama and love lives of the super heroes. I just want them to punch the bad guys in the face. That's all I want to see. The wokeness was too much for me on a lot of these shows.

[@gilbertmillers4865]

@@edub3030 exactly

[@theminecommanders8013]

@@edub3030 But if all they do is kick punch kick punch, they get no character development. You wont be sad if they die, or leave etc. Theres no emotional investment then.

[@edub3030]

@@theminecommanders8013 The bad guy is coming to destroy the planet, is it really a good time to share your emotions? I am fine with character development over the course of a season or 2, but by season 8, you would think the hero would learn from mistakes and then do what needs to be done. Everytime I watch the CW super hero shows, the hero always needs a pep talk. Supergirl was famous for this.

[@pian-0g445]

@@edub3030 that’s not necessarily the problem, is how Kay written and how frequently. CW is just politely written and repeats so many things. I have a show that I really like that is pretty much character driven with the good guy beating the bad guy in the backseat. And yet, despite him getting a pep talk so many times, not only are each one unique, but impactful and develop every character affected. And all the characters have so much depth that for until the story ends (the author said it’s halfway now), they will constantly be developing because they all have little things about them that makes theme good and bad in some situations. A characteristic that may have not been an issue now is. What you want should still be done. Not everything needs to be that well thought out, but just a reminder what cw does isn’t necessarily bad, it’s just they make it horrible

[@Lunchablez]

Another problem that I see w cw shows is the fact that their shows become more abt the side characters than the actual main character, there’s nothing wrong w giving side characters screen time but u can over do it

[@foobart8746]

Me myself thought it was cause they keep making every show have relationships ....

[@ohnobro1424]

I kinda like that though. I like when side characters become one of the main characters over time.

[@Think1stMedia]

I agree the side characters often take away from the main characters instead of enhancing them.

[@ProjektTaku]

yeah. Its because they have a bunch of episodes (which they don't even needed to produce so its just pure stupidity), so they have to fill them with other characters, so the main character just gets lost.

[@Lunchablez]

@@ohnobro1424 i agree but a lot of the time it feels rushed

[@dessy073]

Then they got the audacity to try n bring batman into this world. Hell na he dont fit in this emotional ass "your not the flash barry, we're the flash" universe

[@NERDYB4ITWASCOOLTV]

Haha yeah very hero shouldn't have a team. And WB wouldn't let cw touch Batman with a 1000 foot pole lol

[@dcasey714]

If the team doing Superman and Lois got their hands on the Batfam, I think I'd be a lot less reluctant to want a Batman show. If it was going to be anything like the other Arrowverse shows though, nah, they can stay away lmfao

[@hassantakruri9702]

this dude was spittin facts even when he had 12 subs, that's dedication. respect ma man

[@NERDYB4ITWASCOOLTV]

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[@ProjektTaku]

what a gigachad. Straight up not only found the core problems with the CW shows, but offered a great solution to it with only 12 subs.

[@s.hi.1076]

(Before I watched the video) CW shows and WWE are suffering from the same issue: "Where is the long-term planning?" There was none, thus they had to substitute with unnecessary drama every season. How many times can Iris act out just for the sake of having drama to overcome before you stop caring about her character? This is the strong suit of Legends. They can do silly stuff, change things up and literally dress up and justify it with magic or changes in the timeline. This lack in continuity creates some of the most human moments in the Arrowverse.

[@mioc7741]

Yup! Legends is so underrated

[@sonamtashi7706]

Yeah that’s also why Superman & Lois is doing so great. Less episodes & less connectivity & reliance to the overarching CW universe gives the writers more breathing room to flex their creative muscle. The fact that the CW hasn’t had a profit for years is proof that quantity doesn’t beat quality.

[@beebothegodofwar1450]

Superman & Lois, Legends of Tomorrow and Stargirl are the only shows that are doing good in the arrowverse imo. And yeah LoT is seriously underrated. People think it is nonsense but they dont understand that the show is supposed to be nonsense. Thats what makes the show great.

[@blizzen]

@@beebothegodofwar1450 I could watch LOT if the acting was bearable... Too bad it's God awful

[@beebothegodofwar1450]

​@@blizzen Its not as bad as u r saying. Yeah some of the actors are new and all but most of them who were there from the start are really good actors, like- Caity Lotz, Nick Zano, Tala Ashe even Behrad (I forgot the name of the actor). And even if they are bad at acting, I just watch it for their funny storylines. At least, each of their characters get a full arc of their own. Anyways, its just my opinion.

[@Reverendhero]

I’ve always hated how long their seasons were. There’s so much filler villain of the week episodes. They should cut it down to 10 or 13 episodes.

[@BillBobbobyy]

they have been cutting it down but i see what you mean

[@cuffzter]

I agree, but that would make it harder for them to get to that golden number of 100 for syndication.

[@billybatson7852]

If the writing was better, I don't think that would be an issue. I mean, Buffy is basically a superhero show and if there were any filler episodes after the first season, it was probably just two or three per season. I actually like the monster/villain of the week format and think we've gone too far away from that with certain things. I like the fact that I can watch a single episode of Buffy without it being bogged down with the major plot line of the season. And with shows like Discovery, I really miss the episodic nature of the show.

[@ProjektTaku]

@@billybatson7852 yeah, but that doesn't work for superhero shows as they need to have an overarching plot and get bogged down with filler. They really should cut it down to 9-13 episodes, or even 6 episodes.

[@billybatson7852]

@@ProjektTaku Anything can work if the writing is strong enough.

[@gslang3489]

Arrow started going downhill when Felicity became the focus and Laurel was gone. Also, they kept recycling villains. Flash started going downhill when Iris and Barry's relationship became the focus. Legends started going downhill with the first cast shakeup. Then they kept doing it.

[@mouliknanda]

legends actually went uphill tho

[@morganshea2935]

I think arrow went downhill but flash went downhill when they recycled villains reasoning and I don’t think legends went downhill

[@StarryEyed0590]

The Arrow writers didn't understand that audiences didn't like the Oliver/Laurel relationship because of all the stupid, unnecessary drama, and that Oliver/Felicity was more popular because their dynamic was more open and didn't use all those tropes. The more prominent Felicity became as Oliver's love interest, the more they wrote her and her relationship with Oliver in the exact same way that fans hated about Oliver/Laurel (conversely, as Laurel got demoted from official love interest, she eventually got better writing and people appreciated her more),

[@gslang3489]

@@StarryEyed0590 most viewers preferred quirky and inappropriate IT girl who Oliver brought laptops and arrows too. Once it became Felicity Moral Hour, the show fell off hard.

[@jacobtranpop9]

I like how he really felt like he wanted to like the shows and was just calmly disappointed rather than being angry and hating like other people.

[@cuffzter]

Just because you pointed this out, I clicked "like" on the video. More 'tubers should put forth their criticisms calmly and rationally.

[@jessejr6195]

everyone wants to like the shows and are consistently disappointed and it makes people angry that they could have an amazing show that they would love, and the CW keeps fucking them up. So, they hate and express their anger towards the CW to make themselves feel better. They give people so much hope and proceed to do the same stupid shit without even attempting to change, they don't listen to criticism and make the entire industry look like a joke. Everyone wants to like the shows because it's a show that they always wanted but it's like investing in a company and then not getting any profit because the company was braindead. Anyone who knows how and cares about story telling could have done something with these shows but instead they belong to the CW so now it ruins every single one for all time and now were pissed bc we were robbed of good entertainment. Bottom line they deserve the hate and should honestly be shut down, what they are doing is a crime against the art of storytelling.

[@ProjektTaku]

@@jessejr6195 what they need to do is to cut the episodes down from 19-22 episodes per season, to 6-9 (and maybe 12 episodes) per season, so they don't have as much dumb filler and higher budget per episode.

[@MrLeroy42]

You are 100% right. Especially with the filler in the shows. Most shows nowadays are 8-13 episodes per season and that works. The CW having too many episodes is why there is so much unnecessary filler. They need to look at successful shows nowadays and take notes. And great video man! Very professional and well put together! I’m subbing and I’ll definitely be back to watch more of your content!

[@NERDYB4ITWASCOOLTV]

Appreciate that! Thanks for tuning in!

[@CarlosHuiskens]

The filler is nessecary. What you seem to forget is that certain shows that have 8 to 13 episodes per season also have a much much bigger budget. A show such as The Flash for example generates budget through viewership and additional deals such as Netflix and their streaming rights for the show. But beyond that the show isn't financially backed by an outside source. The filler is simply nessecary otherwise the shows would have died out a long time ago.

[@turddwq1455]

Nah. It all depends on the writing. I've seen short shows with weak writing and boring plot. I'd rather watch longer shows (with a good and interesting plot) because the characters are much more developed

[@NERDYB4ITWASCOOLTV]

@@CarlosHuiskens I mean I feel that. But shows like stranger things were made on similar budgets. But it works because is a contained story and isn't episodic. And DC doom patrol which is in my opinion their best show only costs about $56,000 an episode in season 1 and is AMAZING.

[@imanabuiqran9246]

@@CarlosHuiskens I can see what you mean by that. and sure, filler is necessary for viewership, but too many fillers and how many consistent viewers can you really count on?

[@Roge9]

for me it's: -The eventual dip in quality in the shows -Annoyingly forced drama -Cheesiness etc... I may enjoy superman and lois season 1 but I can tell I'mma hate it later lol

[@abominable.7800]

either die a good show of stream long enough to see yourself become a bad one

[@fatetestarossa2774]

AGREE : (((((((((((

[@reborngreatnesss5712]

Yeah fortunately I stop watching the flash Season 5. These CW TV shows in general is too much crap ofc I can say a lot of things of the flaws of CW. Heck of flash community saying “tHe ShOw iS GoOd wHy ArE yOu HaTiNg oN It?” Like I can nitpick the THINGS shows imo humbly when it’s RINSE AND REPEAT 🔁 that’s bad on CW.

[@bennymotalem340]

Superman is cool

[@fynkozari9271]

Why do TV graphics getting worse and worse each year? I mean its 2022 now. My games have better graphics.

[@lilbootzes1]

Superman and Lois is extremely more thorough and well written than the other shows

[@dante2037]

@Lorenzo Smit I don't think it will. At least not to the same extent. Superman & Lois isn't forced to tell its story over 23 episodes like the other CW shows are. Superman & Lois also has the backing of HBO Max hence its higher quality production and writing so far. Superman & Lois is very removed from the other CW shows despite still being in the same universe.

[@dcasey714]

It also seems to know what it's doing from the very beginning; it knows where its focus should be. I have to say, I was hesitant to watch S&L when I first heard about it because I knew it was a CW DC show, aaand I could not stand the other Arrowverse shows. Gave it a go, and in the end, it became one of my favourite DC series. They just... they just *get* what Superman is about, which is more than can be said for some of the comic and movie writers.

[@mouliknanda]

legends of tommorow is underrated too

[@blackghost7768]

@@mouliknanda no it’s not it sucks

[@0x00Fyou]

@@mouliknanda this show and the new Superman and Lois are the only two I look forward to nowadays, as for the Flash i'm just seeing what will happen cause it will probably end in season 9, it has to.

[@s-pdraws7373]

It's good to hear someone talk about the root of the cw rather than smaller issues in the shows. Great video

[@vice2versa]

@A dudes thoughts like what? Imo the episodic format was the biggest reason i could not connect with the cw shows, plus it just had a huge corny vibe to it with plotlines that went nowhere and feel like a waste of time. This is one of the few guys that finally addressed that issue.

[@teachanansi7078]

WELL SAID! You hit it on the head, and dealt with the writing issues on a deeper level than anyone I've heard talk about it. The 23 episode thing with big superpowers is something me and my homeboy talk about all the time. It's so so hard to do. I personally think you can give them three good seasons if you leave everything on the court, like most did with season 1, but, for instance, the Flash only has three good 'movies' in him: Racing a Speedster, Outsmarting Captain Cold and the Rogues, and Time Travel/Saving the Multiverse adventure. They could have done more if they'd been willing to let Barry die FR FR and a Wally West takeover as the Flash and redo those concepts with new twists. But they tried to soap it and you're right, it just can't work for Flash.

[@NERDYB4ITWASCOOLTV]

Exactly! It can works in comic books but you can read and wrap up a comic book in ten minutes lol. That would've been a cool idea to let Wally take over eventually. Thanks for tuning in 💯

[@marcelinovazquez5128]

I appreciate your critiques. They were valid and well thought out. It's hard to find videos like yours where you are being fair, valid and coming up with suggestions that could benefit the CW where everyone on the internet is just more or less complaining. For me it hurts personally because I grew up on the Arrowverse it does hurt to see them in the state they are in. And I'm not saying it's wrong to hate but because there are so many people just hate bashing just for the sake of hate bashing it definitely adds more fuel to the fire. Anyways have a good day. This is the first video on your channel that I was introduced so I might watch some of your other videos and become a subscriber and regular viewer on your channel

[@mikel6090]

There are people who don't hate bash for the sake of hate bashing. I was in my early 20s when the Arrow show first came out, same with Flash. I watched both but by the time Legnds came around and we got to about season 4/5 of Arrow and Flash, you could tell the writing had gotten wrose. And even then, looking back on these shows, I don't even think they were that good to begin with either. Although Legends was horrendous from the start. I grew up with Smallville and loved it as a kid. However, as an adult I can recognize it isn't that good either.

[@marcelinovazquez5128]

@@mikel6090 I am fully aware that there people who don't hate bash the Arrowverse for the sake of hate bashing I was talking about how it's hard differentiate people who have valid critiques and those who just hate bash for the sake of hate bashing. Especially when it comes to the latter the internet makes their voices louder than what they actually are so because of that it makes harder to find people actually have valid critiques

[@josueguillen4111]

They also don’t know when to simply end a show cause they want all that commercial time revenue. Supernatural, for example, was fucking amazing for the first 5 seasons, where the creator clearly wanted to end it. They fought the devil himself, but they just kept forcing it and forcing for 8 more seasons

[@hadassahbenson4020]

The later seasons were so painful to watch. And the finale was just got awful! I only watched out of morbid curiosity. It’s like watching a train wreck it’s too horrible to look away.

[@gilbertmillers4865]

EXACTLY I really hated wasting time watching that crap 💩 it lasted wayyy too long! And it’s just a pile of shit

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

I dropped off at like season 8 or 9. Then they just lost me.

[@gilbertmillers4865]

@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp for me I stopped like in the middle of season 10 I didn’t really hear about the show until season 7-8 but now I just wish I realized how lame and stupid it was because it’s not really good to watch and it got ridiculous overtime

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

@@gilbertmillers4865 It really did. They gave God a sister. Wtf?

[@analothor]

Theres also the fact that a lot of their superhero themed shows don't actually have the budge for extended action sequences they wanna show which is kinda the whole point, and what little action they do show usually comes out like 6:57

[@ProjektTaku]

yeah but if they remove the soap opera's and filler and shorten the seasons, they'll have a bigger budget.

[@barry8871]

Every directors need to use his budgets wisely, a lot of shows has less budget but they are really good. Can you believe first season of The Walking Dead has less budget than The Flash.

[@MappingEagle]

It's not even that they dont have the budget to make a good show. Most of these shows have higher budgets than Breaking Bad but it just doesn't work for a superhero show

[@ProjektTaku]

@@barry8871 yeah, its crazy.

[@infinitepaladin]

That’s one of the most disappointing things about the cw superhero shows. Fights are always short. There are some good fights like Arrow, Flash, and Firestorm vs Reverse Flash, but even that’s short. It’s four minutes long and the LAST four minutes of the episode.

[@radiant_mask]

Made some very good points my friend. I haven't watched any of the CW shows in years because the writing was terrible and it became too much trouble to keep up with it all the time. I'm glad the HBO shows are focusing more on shorter, more condensed storytelling. Maybe someday we can get another Flash or Green Arrow show.

[@Nathaniel_B400]

I hate how I’m old enough now that I can see that these are terrible shows, I grew up watching them with my dad, so they’ll always have a special place in my heart, but yeah, they’re bad…

[@reborngreatnesss5712]

Same fam I was 14 when I watch the flash now I’m 22 years old look back all the seasons it’s all cringed. Matter of fact I stop watching the flash like season 5 I just stop see too many flaws that this show has rinse and repeat like this video explain. It’s normal that you see this crap when you’re older bc now ur more careful on which it’s good or bad

[@devonjames7999]

@@reborngreatnesss5712 it's also the because the shows are literally getting worse. I've been watching the CW since it was the WB17 in early 2001 and I can say this is the most cringe I've seen on this channel in the last 20 years.....it's bad

[@vice2versa]

@@devonjames7999 go watch Madvocates video "the flash is insufferably inconsistant season 1" he makes the argument that the flash was terrible from the beginning.

[@devonjames7999]

@@vice2versa I watched about half of it and I know exactly what he's talking about and I noticed those inconsistencies watching the show in the first 3-4 seasons, but I didn't mind it because they don't do this in just CW shows it's the plight of all superhero media. Marvel and dc shows cartoons or live action they dumb down the heroes and create inconsistencies for the sake of plot and only show their actual power when it's convenient or create unrealistic scenarios for the sake of a certain situation it's happened in all for generations in superhero media but there is a reason why people early flash is good. That's because there is a plausible unrealistic realm that all superhero shows go into because it's Television and TV is supposed to do 2 tbings, keep you watching and make money. People understand that subconsciously and as long as it's entertaining with good story, sub plots, relatable,character development, and good dialog it gets a pass. But even that In the flash is gone along with flash going past that realm of plausible unrealistic I mentioned. He has good points, but things he talks plauge all superhero media some media just does it better than others.

[@JMaster9877]

The ones with HBO Max involvement (Stargirl and Superman & Lois) have been amazing so far. I think the old CW is dying off and the Flash and Legends r not what they used to be

[@Eternaldarkness3166]

I enjoyed Titans, more than I thought I would.

[@JMaster9877]

@@Eternaldarkness3166 it's really good.

[@vecnahenrycreel1300]

Current Legends >>>>>> any s1-2 episode

[@JMaster9877]

@@vecnahenrycreel1300 if ya like comedy. It doesn't work for me. Only Guardians does

[@SoranoOuranos]

@@Eternaldarkness3166 Personally I think Titans S1 was good, S2 was absolutely terrible and S3 was between the two previous ones.

[@jandrus8828]

Supernatural was my favorite CW show, but it definitely ran too long and ended a little poorly. I remember when I stopped watching Arrow and The Flash because it got was too soapy.

[@CapCarCap]

I used to watch all the CW shows but now I just watch DC’s Legends because it’s so ridiculous it’s good!

[@NERDYB4ITWASCOOLTV]

Haha yeah it's ridiculous, but the good kind of ridiculous

[@christophersalinas2722]

Legends is unironically the best current arrow verse show

[@thebatman9961]

No actually it is Superman and lois or black lightning

[@christophersalinas2722]

@@thebatman9961 super man and Lois isn’t even a CW produced show. HBO Max makes it but it airs on the CW. BL I am not sure if it’s made by the CW

[@chaost4544]

It's the live action Saturday morning cartoon I always wanted.

[@NERDYB4ITWASCOOLTV]

I LOVE A LOT OF THESE SHOWS BTW. But doesn't mean they can't be critiqued. The reasons I picked I felt people either didn't mention them in their videos or they explained them on a surface level in my opinion... would love to know your thoughts on the video!

[@politereminder6284]

Subscribed! Good essay! Best I've seen on the topic.

[@politereminder6284]

Thank you for an excellent essay, and for keeping the language clean. 👌

[@DgardsGaming]

There are two good shows left on Channel on top of that I would say there’s nothing wrong with 23 episodes I can certainly watch 23 episodes if every episode is compelling and drawers you in based on story

[@ruthmejia7751]

Started listening to you and subscribed within 2 minutes 😆 I can see your channel is gonna grow really big really fast. Many blessings to you 🙏

[@LKudayah]

This is an awesome take. Really broke it down. And the shows have so much potential. If you ever do a follow up: That Flash forward Episode during Armageddon has EVERTHING you've outlined.

[@longnhi31]

Great video !!!!! To me, my breaking point was when Iris said " We are the Flash". I don't know why , but that line would always be funny. Oliver also roasted Barry about Barry can't go on more than 9 hours without his wife whispering in his ear. Whoever wrote that line should get a raise man. A character could be self-aware about its awful show 😂

[@aidankelley2696]

i think another big issue they have is they keep introducing new characters that we dont need in the story and its getting to the point where its like, why should i care about any of these characters, this show is called the flash, arrow, supergirl, etc. I WANT TO SEE THEM, not these rando people taking up space in the show, like i get it, have some side characters every once and awhile to have more depth into the story and the relationship, but they have gotten to the point where the show is no longer mainly about the main character anymore, and its disappointing that they dont see what they are doing, like take the last season of the flash, they literally had like 5 or 6 episodes where the flash wasnt even in a single one of the episodes and it was about side character, THIS MOVIE IS CALLED THE FLASH!!!, why are these people sucking up all the screen time, i dont care about any of their problems, their side characters, they should only be side elements in the show,

[@haywoodlunsford4238]

Yeah I stopped watching the flash about 2-3 seasons ago but then when I saw a teaser for the latest episode last week I was like why are all these characters apart of team flash

[@gandrewlee3]

I feel like they know what they are doing though. They're taking the lazy way out because they can still make a profit this way. Make a show seem like it's new by adding in new characters. It makes the story feel like it's been refreshed or renewed and it does to a point keep the audience around a little longer, long enough for people to be hooked to serve the profits they need. This effect loses its influence/power by the end of a season and they repeat what they've done with another character, tweaked just a little bit for it to seem different than before. Sometimes (in the case of the Flash), a plot twist is repeated but due to another choice that was made that produce the same results for Barry. However, I lost interest in the Flash because how many times can he mess up his mother's timeline before he learns? For me, he wasn't ever a hero because he messed up too much and made too many choices that lacked common sense. A hero is supposed to mess up for character development but they are not supposed to repeat their mistakes. Part of what makes a hero is that they show us how to learn from mistakes. The CW writers do this on other shows too. Supernatural is a great example. In the later seasons, they make huge promises of a big bad while having the brothers promise not to ever betray each other and to leave the past in the past. Then a bunch of epic fails happen and they're right back to their soap opera to serve the season finale which often ends in the same way either anticlimactic or far different than what was foreshadowed. I'm glad people are starting to catch onto this. I've been easily losing my interest in CW shows for a while now.

[@aidankelley2696]

@@gandrewlee3 yah very much agree, its annoying to see that character development get built and then knocked back down like...why did he build all that up and learn from that so they could just make him have to learn the same thing he already learned from again...... it ruins everything about the show, and takes away all the purpose that it is suppose to have

[@haywoodlunsford4238]

@@gandrewlee3 yeah and another CW show The 100 is like that also. Like how many freaking times is Clarke going to be the one that saves them at the end of every season. That was real annoying for me. And also some characters don't learn from their mistakes

[@NERDYB4ITWASCOOLTV]

Further elaborating on this because I don't like to spread misinformation: Superman & Lois as well as Stargirl are in fact CW shows. The C in CW is CBS and the W= Warner bros media. Warner media is also HBO MAX. Usually they split the shows 50/50 for the CW network. But for for SM&L & Stargirl Warner contributed more to the budget which is why they can add them to their HBO max platform. Ps: thanks for all the new subs!

[@Chudsic]

honestly bro, they don't keep getting worse. they always been bad. just my two cents haha

[@davids.3584]

@@Chudsic arrow and flash season 1 and 2??? Bad?

[@runisa]

Still thought smallville was awesome though

[@infernalmedia1784]

Stargirl and superman and Lois are pretty decent shows especially in comparison to the current flash

[@1granturismo]

Well, CW didn't start going downhill until recently. Plus, not much shows going on. Just Arrowverse, Walker, nancy Drew really. I want to start on Waller, but not much else worth starting. CW was pretty strong during Smallville's time. And it was PIX11 for much of Smallville if I recall correctly.

[@2leftthumbs]

Great video, with rock solid and succinct points, presented by someone with a super chill and welcoming vibe. Good for you breaking through! Keep on crushing it with these measured insights, mixed in with your own personal perspectives, and I'm sure there will be big things ahead!

[@sgonzalezxx]

Fire. Perfect explanation of all the things running in everyone’s head. I’m guessing everyone who watches this is nodding along the whole time thinking “THATS WHAT I WANTED TO SAY!”

[@NERDYB4ITWASCOOLTV]

Haha glad you appreciate it!

[@DarkMoon309]

Used to love Arrow and Flash back in the S1-S2 days, because the heroes actually have goals, objectives, and the stories evolve with every episode, like how every episode is Oliver crossing names on his father's list while slowly figuring out his parents' secrets, and how Barry learns his power, while being manipulated by Zoom, and having to face his mentor by the end. Then bam, the later seasons are all about " I cant do this Felicity/ Irish - Yes you can - Ok maybe I can , I love you" , and do not forget the f**king "you are not the flash, we are"....

[@Jen-kw2fn]

I love everything you said. Consider me subbed. I went in to the CW shows absolutely loving them but all the points you mentioned wore me down after a few years. Well said! Also, about the sjw thing, it's not normally a term that I care for as people will often weaponize it, but you are 100% correct. I felt like CW were too busy trying to recruit my sexuality with something like Batwoman rather than actually write and create a decent show. I love superheroes. Many of us do. We don't need gimmicks to show up, we just want well-told stories.

[@andrewgarrett1356]

Exactly. The only time getting political ever works is if the character or characters the story are about are political or somewhat political by nature. The only superhero who can get away with calling himself a Social Justice Warrior without making every one around him moan in disgust is Black Lightning. His whole character is about fighting for his community, actively trying to bring about positive social change as peacefully as possible, and just doing right by other people. The CW Black Lightning show did a good job of exploring that aspect of his character while also showing him do his job as a superhero, but it still felt a bit preachy at times. I actually think that the Young Justice version of Black Lightning is a better overall representation of his character as a whole, especially in his regards to accountability and open and honest cooperation.

[@Ryanlexz]

They lost their touch

[@andrewgarrett1356]

@@adrianjames5970 I'd have to take your word for it. After I lost interest in Arrow, I didn't even bother to watch the other Arrowverse shows. Based on your description of Supergirl, I was right to do so. I heard good things about Jon Cryer's portrayal of Lex Luthor, and that's actually the only thing motivating me to actually give Supergirl a try.

[@analyticalmindset]

I share your exact sentiment. I hate how people use SJW like it's a bad thing but the CW delivers the message in the corniest way possible like an anti drug commercial from the 90s

[@mioc7741]

@@analyticalmindset yeah I had to stop watching super girl after a point. There were so many good opportunities for that show: the biggest one being Supergirl embracing her alien identity. THATS a great way to tell a message about immigration and how immigrants can keep their culture. Not her living two separate lives. It’s just wild. Legends I think is still good about how they show things, but that’s also because the show is just fun and nothing is uber serious.

[@thebudgetgamer]

Legends is a gift to humanity and should never be spoken of negatively

[@NERDYB4ITWASCOOLTV]

Agreed. That's why I kept it out of my critique 🙂

[@shroomer8294]

Legends is a masterclass in how to have fun making something. The writing might not always be the amazing but they do fun stuff like playing with genre and tone while still maintaining consistency and it genuinely seems like the actors have a blast being on the show especially when they get to play different versions of their normal characters like robots, clones, evil doppelgängers or straight up all new characters, the show just screams “I want to work on this” and not “I have to work on this.”

[@kermitgotthesickkicks4265]

agreed

[@GamerSlyRatchet1]

Seriously. Legends and Black Lightning were the only CW shows I enjoyed.

[@thecouncil2056]

Eh

[@Vito-cx2et]

No way you only had that many subs when creating this quality of video. Glad to see your channel has grown

[@greenhoodedvigilante458]

2:06 Man, that's something I laughed on so hard. There is nothing in the tv as cringy as Indian soap opera. As a citizen from neighbourhood (from Bangladesh) I know how much cringe and toxic they are as there are many Indian tv channel here. I don't understand how people watch those. Most of the audience are female.

[@NERDYB4ITWASCOOLTV]

haha yeah that clip cracks me up every time I see it. I enjoy soaps for what they are. sometimes I just want to turn off my brain and enjoy some mind numbing TV lol. Thanks for tuning in!

[@timefliesaway999]

I’ve never even heard of them but that clip was enough for my entire life

[@InfamousHp]

Good assessment, I think you’re spot on with the seasons being too long. 12 episodes is perfect & it forces the writers to get right to the point with maybe 1-2 episodes of fluff/filler & gives everybody enough time off.

[@tribehead09]

They’ll make less money on adds sighhh

[@marvnuts]

A network season runs like 24 episodes or something like that.

[@frogsalesman]

It's what I like about Superman and Lois so far. They only ran for 15 episodes during the first season and there was absolutely no filler involved, it all had to do with the main or sub plots which all worked well together. Lois can still participate in the main plot despite dealing with her reporter stuff, same with Jordan and Jonathan.

[@golfer435]

Honestly i think it's Greg Berlanti I think he is ultimately the problem. All the shows they have put out that aren't produced by him (ie non Arrow verse) with very few exceptions (Riverdale) have been consistently excellent.

[@Logan-dk8of]

@@tribehead09 they'll save money on writing and production as well, half as many episodes to make.

[@GreenGardenGamer]

bro congrats on your channel blowing up so much since this video!! I'm currently doing an Arrow-thon and binging all of the series/seasons in chronological order and yeah your points are entirely fair. I'm 50% of the way through exactly and I wouldn't keep watching if I didn't like it/most of it. That said, I had to take a few week break because around most season 4s they all just get super story heavy for no reason and it takes away from the actual content of the shows. They could shorten the seasons by 7 episodes and focus on the main storyline and a few key subplots instead of bouncing around and adding way too much to remember that I got fatigued by how much across each series I had to keep track of.

[@blueberry._.muffin]

Is no one gonna complain the fact that the CW doesn’t follow the comics? OMG THAT’S THE MAIN POINT OF A SUPERHERO SHOW! It’s so aggravating that’s like saying in the comics Supergirl is mad and angry while the CW makes Kara’s parents alive, no darkness, SHE COULD’VE BEEN BATWOMAN’S BEST FRIEND! I swear DC Superhero Girl’s Supergirl is even better than the CW Supergirl, also Supergirl is been downhill, season 1 was written by CBS so that’s different they actually gave Kara personality till the CW murdered her anger issues

[@NERDYB4ITWASCOOLTV]

Yeah it's frustrating. It would make their jobs as writers a lot easier

[@nerdygiant7805]

I really love your point about the political messaging not being the problem. Some of the best stories I've witnessed had political themes involved. It's definitely a matter of execution. Adults don't want to hear dumb, lazily written speeches every episode.

[@MrFreshlydoug]

Political messaging can’t be over the top and should be generic. A strong Republican like me will still watch a show with that, even if it’s left leaning, if the material is handled correctly like you said.

[@dustinrhodes4793]

I'm not into politics, I want to escape that exhaustion. Give me good stories

[@dunkirito8308]

@@dustinrhodes4793 Politics is everywhere. You can’t escape it.

[@davidm4566]

The political message also can't be the main/only reason for doing the show. Star Trek was always good at having social topics- they covered all of them, but checking off boxes was never what it was about...until the new Trek. But that's why so many can't stand the current Trek shows.

[@vice2versa]

@@davidm4566 jj abrams sucks thats why.

[@kidghost2565]

Great video! The presenter doesn’t use the phrase, “freak of the week” during the video. That’s pretty impressive considering that it’s a hallmark of the format for better and worse. Freak of the week network format found a pretty cozy home on these soap operas I think they were typically at their best when using powers and guest stars/interesting villains.

[@MrFraknak]

Interesting points and most of them are correct. But you are incorrect in thinking you haven't seen your last point. I have seen many people talk about how the old broadcast television norm of 22 episode seasons just doesn't work in the modern environment. All they would have to do to fix this is break the seasons into full on mini events. Have 22 or more episodes, but make 5-6 episodes a story, concise and no filler, and obviously the writing needs to be stepped up multiple levels. Break the seasons into mini stories that don't need to tie directly to each other and you have solved the CW's issues somewhat.

[@NERDYB4ITWASCOOLTV]

Yeah. Shows like teen wolf did that and it worked out. They are trying to do it with the flash now. It definitely CAN work. But they have to be willing to experiment

[@angeluvsvid]

The fillers often explain what happens off camera from the main Protagonist and Antagonist storyline its essential to the whole pictures comic books does the same thing

[@ddpostley1]

Agents of Shield did this in their last 3 seasons and it worked perfectly! They turned the format into mini arcs that are connected to 1 major arc in the end. Essentially just like a comic book. I’ve never seen another show do it like they did. They even took advantage of the mandatory tv breaks throughout the year. Arc 1 ends before holiday season. Arc 2 ends before March Madness. Arc 3 ends before summer break.

[@darkshadow5035]

@@ddpostley1 Was gonna bring this up. Agents of Shield did 22 episode seasons tremendously, even on low budget

[@smooveayy]

I agree that superhero shows don't work well with soap opera formats. They end up focusing so much in the shops than the action

[@joebob104]

Wow. I’ve never heard a more thoughtful, articulate, and nuanced take on “sjw politics in media” before. That was a breath of fresh air. Great job man, earned a sub from me

[@Christian39521]

Great video. I've been saying for a while that these shows have too many episodes. Stargirl is only 13. But the others, 22 sometimes 23 episodes is too much. Especially since what they do is the big bad of the season and sometimes they simply let the villains get away. I might let it slide with Batwoman but when your main character is fast like The Flash or Supergirl it doesn't work. Also these shows have way too many characters. And of course is cause they want to appeal to all these different demographics. Like you mentioned. You look at The Flash 90s show and compare it to the new one, i prefer the original. And that one only had 3 main cast members. The new one has like 7. To the point that is no longer The Flash. Is Team Flash or The Flash And His Amazing Friends.

[@NERDYB4ITWASCOOLTV]

Yeah for sure. If they shorten the seasons it would solve a lot of their problems. They add random characters because they have to find something to fill the extra space

[@bigcreator2084]

@@NERDYB4ITWASCOOLTV One of the hardest to fit is Allegra, who should have stayed primarily in the Citizen instead of fully joining Team Flash. While the team oriented approach always had a questionable handling and it's too late to change now, that character should simply not have as much focus. She is tolerable and somewhat enjoyable, but she is too situational and none of her major plots have worked well or have been really engaging. She tries to be a Jesse Quick parallel for Nash just because she happens to be a doppelganger of Nash's adoptive daughter, but then he dies, and then she tries to save and redeem her cousin just to see her die. Her romance with Chester couldn't be any more uninteresting as well.

[@imanabuiqran9246]

great video! and excellent points! I remember being absolutely obsessed with the Arrowverse shows (Flash and Supergirl in particular) but after season 3, maybe 4, it honestly started feeling like a chore to watch. and it's such a bummer when I see clips and trailers that interest me because even when I try to get back in it I get bored SO so easily. and I think you just perfectly summed up why!

[@NERDYB4ITWASCOOLTV]

Appreciate that! And yeah that I usually when it happens

[@pcdm43145]

About "the Big One" part: You are definitely onto something, here. Interesting enough, the CW shows have, in my opinion, replicated the very problem that plagued the whole comics industry, especially since the 80's. The packed scheduling demands lead to burnout/turnover on the too-small creative teams, which impacts the quality of the work. Also, I'd argue there's also the burden of 'continuity,' and lack of any long-term planning, especially with an ever expanding roster of characters. I think that's also the problem with DC's movies. Warner Bros saw Disney eating their lunch, and tried to compete reactively. But that's a whole other topic for another day... Anyway, keep up the good work. All the best, my friend.

[@MDStudios2020]

Really great video on the downfall of the Cw, everything you said is exactly what i was thinking, from season lengths, episodes and fillers, tone and audiences, it's everything that has hampered any type of development that the CW could have which is ashamed since they could make good shows if they didn't focus on too much. Glad you made this video.

[@Demonicnemesis]

Merging the WB and UPN in the CW was a mistake.

[@gilbertmillers4865]

Exactly

[@marlonclark1896]

i agree

[@gracenmcblair7763]

Bro I’m so happy you had a jump in subscribers. Your opinion are very unbiased and not hateful, you don’t spread too much hate, and your voice is so soothing 😂

[@MynameisBrianZX]

I liked the first half of Superman and Lois a lot, it had a very realistic take on the up and downs of raising a family, and the parenting was very fitting for characters as moral as Superman (well, in most stories) and Lois. I also thought they built up Lex Luthor as a villain very well. But when Morgan Edge became the primary focus, it devolved into tired superhero tropes like mcguffins and mind control, and the family aspect became far less nuanced (love conquers all reeee) and had not gotten enough time to develop into an ongoing plot thread. For example, there's a bit near the end where Jordan Kent gets mind controlled and is saved by love. It would've been far more interesting if his insecurities and emotional instability had developed him into a dangerous villain (possibly with some influence by Morgan Edge but nothing on the level of mind control), so that his family had to stop him and somehow support him at the same time. I really thought that was where the show was likely going at first.

[@piper998877]

I too struggled with the latter half, but mostly because I didn't understand why Kara and Martian Manhunter weren't called to help. I assumed that this took place in the not too distant future, so it was possible that Kara moved to the far future like in the comics. However, in Supergirl's finale not only is she alive, but her identity isn't a secret, so more people should have asked for Kara's help--not to mention both Martians were on the planet.

[@tutorialslave]

I agree. They should've had him end up killing his girlfriend while "under the influence" and possibly hospitalize his brother. Also, curing him shouldn't have worked at all so Clark would be forced to lock him up, thereby ironically building a bridge between "Edge" and Clark as one being contains their respective father/son. That certainly would've made for a compelling dynamic. The mere fact that two consciousnesses are forced to coexist in one body might've softened up the Kryptonian part over time but could just as well lead to hardening Jordan's soul in the process.

[@shaunamc8667]

@@piper998877 This doesn't make any sense - why doesn't Supergirl ask for Superman's help all the time then? Why doesn't the Flash? etc etc

[@piper998877]

@@shaunamc8667 Because she has Martian Manhunter, Dreamer, Brainiac 5, Guardian 1 & 2, Sentinel, Mister Mxyzptlk, and at times Mon-El. In season 1 when she was facing against Kryptonians, she called Superman, but he had been on Earth so long, that he fell under the hypnotic spell. Similarly, when they were fighting the Daxomites, she called Superman and he helped. I'm unsure why it wouldn't make sense that if he is fighting 50 evil Kryptonians (and losing), he or Lois wouldn't call the three other people on the planet that are just as strong as them. Instead, they called John Henry.

[@shaunamc8667]

@@piper998877 Jeez it really sounds like Supergirl isn't even needed on her own tv show! That's definitely another problem with these superhero shows - they keep making the supporting characters superheroes so the main hero has to be shown as weak for them to be able to do something. And what you mentioned was when Superman was just a guest star - not a hero with his own show so I'll ask again, why didn't Supergirl ask for his help this last season when she was up against his actual arch-nemesis, or why didn't the Flash ask for the supers help for lots of stuff? And they showed that Superman was able to fight off the Kryptonians perfectly fine by himself and with Steel by his side - why would he NEED to call anyone?

[@CdrChaos]

You could probably cut half of every recent season of The Flash and not lose any relevant story content. You should want more episodes, not feel like a season is taking too long.

[@shadow-gr4iw]

Kicking some up the problems with the CW in more than one way 1. Is the tone they don't know what tone they want to be is either comedy, a coming of age story, soap opera etc. 2. It's the writing, they're always good in the first season because they picked the comic books that has a connected narrative. In later Seasons they just Cherry Picked which story sounds the coolest 3. There's no love or passion in the show it seems like it at first but later as it continues to go on they slowly start to lose that drive to continue a good narrative or a good story format 4. You have to be the characters they're great at the beginning but once you continue you start to see plot holes characters not acting the way they usually would act. Or doing something completely stupid, plus no development on these characters 5. adding too many characters like only shows they're trying to build a team around the main character like Arrow has his team flash has his team. Shouldn't be a team process for characters that usually work alone, maybe hints to a team like the Justice League or small team up with each other nothing big but nothing too small something to keep the audience hooked but not drive them away

[@davidbennett4470]

I really used to like the shows but they just felt like they jumped the shark very fast and were all over the place. Plus are we not gonna mention when they used lighting as lightsabers in the newest season

[@NERDYB4ITWASCOOLTV]

Lol Yeah I feel that. Haven't watched the newest season yet

[@CrimsonRoblox]

Y'all are dumbs and stupid!! Lightning Lightsabers have been in the comics before. That's why The Flash implemented it to the show like BRUH RESEARCH ABOUT IT FIRST BEFORE SAYING CW COPIED STAR WARS!!!!!!! THIS CHANNEL SUCKS

[@tekrar8825]

@@CrimsonRoblox yes it was in the comics but just like Flash having golden boots in the comics, it doesn't translate well in real life. You seem unhinged...

[@kevintyson1947]

@@tekrar8825 nah the real issue is that it just come out of nowhere with no build-up or training arc to acquire it. At least in the comics, they sort of foreshadow it

[@theguywithsomething8634]

@@CrimsonRoblox Just because it appeared in the comics doesn't automatically mean it isn't stupid in live action. Hell, I haven't read the comic in question, but it already sounds stupid. Maybe it was cool in the source material, but that doesn't really mean jack to the audience of the new medium.

[@simplythebest2k]

My gripe with CW is that they write as if they think the audience has down-syndrome or are all 5.

[@simplythebest2k]

The sad part is that cartoon have better writing plots than the cw. It’s so weird.

[@NERDYB4ITWASCOOLTV]

Yeahh outside of a few solid shows the rest spoon feed with the dialogue

[@simplythebest2k]

@@NERDYB4ITWASCOOLTV I don’t know who in their writing team thinks you can write the think parts as dialogue.

[@bigcreator2084]

@@simplythebest2k It's sometimes too obvious in the Flash.

[@gomorian3487]

It's really sad because the season 1's start off so well and then yeah it falls off a cliff. The Flash was especially sad for me. Season 1 had me on the edge of my chair for every episode and I really looked forward to new episode releases. After season 1 ended and season 2 started up... it just didn't live up to the hype.

[@williamavitt8264]

One thing that I liked about Black Lightning, and for me it was one of the best DC shows while it was on, was that it wasn't preachy with the message. It was a show born out of the BLM movement, but it wasn't afraid to say that while there are these issues, some responses to the issues aren't right. You had Nyssa going to violent protests and using her powers to topple statues, and then you had her dad being like "What are you doing? This isn't going to solve anything, these actions just breed more hate." And he taught her how to properly superhero

[@jtlinux7174]

What the problem with toppling statues?

[@williamavitt8264]

@@jtlinux7174 watch the show. But vandalizing something that doesn't belong to you is never the right thing. If a statue needs to come down, petition the government and do it the right way

[@thecouncil2056]

But blm itself is horrible

[@williamavitt8264]

@@thecouncil2056 yes, but standing up against racism isn't. And that was what Jefferson Pierce was trying to get his daughter to understand. BLM tactics are harmful to the overall goal of racial harmony

[@willchurch8376]

@@williamavitt8264 Props man. You had two low effort trolls pop up, literally one from each side of the argument, and you handled both with aplomb.

[@kingrobin6582]

I was here to defend Stargirl and Superman and Lois, but I guess I'll see myself out. 👋

[@NERDYB4ITWASCOOLTV]

😂🙌🏾

[@santi_super_stunts2573]

Man I remember seeing arrow season 1 and 2 on Netflix and I thought it was like a show that was on a channel like hbo and we got lucky it was on Netflix. It felt like an hbo show holy fuck it was good. Sometimes I like to pretend Malcolm won and arrow died during the rumbling of star city and the rest has been a fever dream

[@kirk001]

Classiest critical review I've ever heard. Class act sir. Subbed immediately!

[@NERDYB4ITWASCOOLTV]

🙏🏾 thank you

[@NERDYB4ITWASCOOLTV]

CHAPTERS: 1.) STUCK ~ 0:39 2.) SOAP OPRA ~ 1:39 3.) AUDIENCE ~ 3:28 4.) THE BIG ONE ~ 6:28

[@SirAsdf]

I'm of the opinion that most of the Arrowverse shows, especially the early ones, were good...for a season or two, then they fired the showrunners who actually gave a shit about it and replaced them with a bunch of high school Tumblr fanfic writers. I think the one show that managed to avoid that stink was Legends of Tomorrow, where as the seasons went on they just went more and more intentionally absurd with it. For fucks sake, in one of their season finales, the team does some magic bullshit to turn into a giant version of the Arrowverse Expy of a tickle me Elmo so they can murder THE ACTUAL DEVIL!

[@abongilezolanipeterson5588]

First three seasons of Flash and Arrow were the best superhero tv shows ever made. But after that, it was a rapid decline. In fact some of the elements responsible for the decline were already visible in the third seasons of these shows but the story and the villains were still hype at the time so it sort of overshadowed those negative elements. But the fourth seasons just went downhill. Season five of Arrow was mostly good but I felt that Oliver's character was severely assassinated and especially his intellectual and fighting abilities. Still a good overall season. First half of season seven (Oliver in prison period with Bronze Tiger) was absolutelu awesome, rest of the season was trash. All in all I felt with Arrow it suffered mainly because of Olicity, and also because I noticed, especially after the prison arc in season seven that Arrow was always the most hype when Oliver was complimented by a dark and badass woman. You look at all his arcs when Shado, Sara Lance, Amanda Waller, Talia Al Ghul, Nyssa Al Ghul, Black Siren, or Huntress were in his life or closely associated to Oliver and you see that that was both when Oliver was at his best and the show itself was at its best. With Flash it was when he had a speedster as a villain that Flash and the show itself were at its most hype. Reverse Flash, Zoom, Savitar, those were legit the most hype times in the show.

[@NERDYB4ITWASCOOLTV]

Yeah. Arrow was my favorite show on TV at one point. I liked the flash too. I'm glad they ended arrow on decent not at least

[@bigcreator2084]

Oliver and Felicity worked well enough when both were separate, but they were a mediocre at best couple. It was clearly evident in Crisis on Earth-X. Both had great scenes when they were separate or at least not talking about their romance, but their fights about not believing in marriage and the infamous double wedding (which ruins their credibility as a couple altogether) really were unbearable. Felicity interacting with most characters is not too bad, but Olicity really damaged her as a character. Most of my issues with her tend to come from that questionably executed romance.

[@CayeDaws]

The DCAU shows were the best super hero shows of all time

[@Iliadic]

>Reverse Flash, Zoom, Savitar, those were legit the most hype times in the show. True, but after 3 seasons of the same type of villain, it gets stales. They should've done something like "RF, Zoom, Thinker, Mirror Master(The real one), Savitar, etc."

[@bigcreator2084]

@@Iliadic I'd argue that switching to non-speedster villains was a good call, although some like Orlin Dwyer were nonsensical.

[@dennismeza8287]

Yeah, I agreed with everything he said. Glad to see more and more hate for the CW shows that are wack. Stargirl fan FOR LIFE (or until they mess it up.)

[@NERDYB4ITWASCOOLTV]

I haven't watched her the second season yet. But first one was solid. It has a higher budget so it should be okay as long as they don't drag it out too long

[@Coolstrongwarriorbro27]

They messed it up in season 2, they started pulling the race card back again and saying black this and white that. So don’t watch it, it is for your own good

[@wrdgaf]

@@Coolstrongwarriorbro27 wdym?

[@Coolstrongwarriorbro27]

@@wrdgaf “racism”

[@Npfifyfour_]

@@NERDYB4ITWASCOOLTV Watch season two it’s pretty good it has a dark tone to it that’s pretty cool.

[@thedizzlor]

The biggest killer of the CW was basing all stories around social and political issues. Early flash and arrow were pure comic book action and followed good stories with good villains. Flash now spends half it's season just filling time with awful characters Supergirl did an entire series aimed at trump, the villain and story were irrelevant.

[@regiman222]

5:37 It's not the topics that are the problem, it's the ham-fisted way they try to shove it down your throat. Subtlty and nuance don't exist in CW superhero shows.

[@NERDYB4ITWASCOOLTV]

Correct 💯

[@calebdalger4503]

Let’s remember Smallville set the tone for all the romantic/action shows on The CW. Smallville’s writing style was perfect for the early 2000s and it was a hit but in the last 15 years it’s become boring and formulaic. Arrow is a perfect example of how they copied the same romantic/action themes.

[@007Fusiion]

But that stuff really came into focus after season 1. They really changed up the tone of that show and I don’t know why.

[@TheBatman39]

And that's the reason why I hated and still hate Smallville with passion.

[@gandrewlee3]

Smallville also took its time to build on the drama and didn't just throw you into it. Clana, Clex, Clois... writers spent seasons to build on the drama to make its impact effective. In a lot of ways, the drama wasn't forced. Whether we liked the direction of the story or not, the drama fit smoothly into the plot. All other shows try to force the drama instantly instead of working on the build up to it.

[@calebdalger4503]

@@gandrewlee3I agree. The producers of the show knew how to draw elements of the comics and previous Superman adaptations into the show so well.

[@tricky7153]

Smallville had a lot of heart put into it and that’s what got me into Superman

[@Jeff-rr5rz]

I totally agree with your comments, the CW shows always start off good and after a couple seasons it feels like a chore to watch them. I should have stopped watching the Flash a couple seasons ago but for some reason I am still watching it, hoping it will get better.

[@ProjektTaku]

here's my ideal DCTU/arrowverse: Arrow The flash Arrow season 2 (where john diggle reveals his last name is stewart) Wonder woman black lighting Justice league (8 episodes with all the characters from the shows, along with john finding a GL ring) Wild dog The flash season 2 (which features aquaman in a 2 part episode) Wonder woman season 2 (which feature's superman in a 2 part episode) Black lighting season 2 (which features cyborg) Arrow season 3 (where john becomes a green lantern and leaves) Wild dog season 2 Flash season 3 Justice league season 2 with flash, green arrow, wonder woman, superman, cyborg and aquaman.

[@lilydalbkce3249]

I disagree with the one plot. I cannot sit through Marvel shows. They are 6 hour long movies rather than episodes with story arcs each episode that lead to the one large arc that covers the entire season. Marvel needs to stick with movies because that's all they know how to write.

[@NERDYB4ITWASCOOLTV]

I don't think they should go that route completely. They don't have the budget for that. But I do think they should be shortened to around 12-15 episodes per season

[@ProjektTaku]

@@NERDYB4ITWASCOOLTV oh, so what do you think of my idea of a DC tv universe?

[@azz111full]

I love how the flash and supergirl routinely save the day by appealing to the better nature of a seasoned criminal. Nothing pops off the screen quite like a well timed speech.

[@NERDYB4ITWASCOOLTV]

😂

[@redherringoffshoot2341]

imho all shows work best as serial shows instead of episodic shows, simply due to episodic shows leading to a mindset of how “no matter how hard you try, nothing will ever change”🤓

[@jourdonpatron212]

Actually, Superman & Lois and Stargirl really ARE CW shows. It's been rumored that Superman & Lois was produced by HBOMAX before it's debut but apparently that was never the case. In fact, there's ZERO evidence of HBOMAX being involved with either shows outside of a streaming contract they have with The CW to include certain CW shows on the platform, this also includes Batwoman which isn't produced by HBO either. People just said that to make sense of why the shows were better looking. They just happened to get a bigger budget behind them.

[@NERDYB4ITWASCOOLTV]

Appreciate the info! Yeah I did a little research. CW is basically and joint venture CBS and Warner Bros media. Hbo Max is also Warner bros media. With SM&L and girl Warner just decided to provide more funding for them. Which is why they can also put them on HBO MAX.

[@jourdonpatron212]

@@NERDYB4ITWASCOOLTV Yeah true, I guess the WB wanted to provide more funding for these CW shows especially Superman & Lois seeing he's the golden boy of DC. That's probably one of the reasons CW is even allowed rights to his character because WB was a little more in involved. Interestingly it's written by the same guy who was a showrunner on the The Flash Season 5.

[@NERDYB4ITWASCOOLTV]

@@jourdonpatron212 yeah. I was pretty surprised when he popped up in supergirl the first time. Didn't think they would let Batman or Superman near the CW lol

[@itspienoon7883]

This video was really well informed with the problems with CW. You definitely need more subscribers!

[@philtimedavidfpw]

I'm so glad you referenced Season 1 of The Flash and showed the scene with Thawne and Cisco. That is one of the best scenes of any superhero story, whether TV, movie, cartoon, or comic book. The Flash is what initially hooked me into the Arrowverse. Much respect to you and your channel. This is such a refreshing change of pace from other channels. I'm not knocking them. But it's obvious you really care about the genre, and you don't just bash. Eg, critiquing the writing by relating it to our own struggles just to write that 5 paragraph essay. We'll done. You deserve subscribers at least in the 6 figures.

[@magikforce4069]

I always wondered why CW shows started to go up in flames for me,now I understand why

[@bingewatcherfanatic996]

One thing we can't blame The CW because it's them giving the money and can't cancelled shows . Plus the other issue is the writers mess up themselves but damn The Cw had alot of great shows back then like Supernatural Seasons 1 - 5 , Gossip Girl Season 1 and Riverdale Season 1

[@NERDYB4ITWASCOOLTV]

Agreed. Riverdale had so much potential. Started off simple then tried to get a little too complicated for its own good. Thanks for tuning in!

[@naxotogo]

The thing is, MOST comic books are soap operas, I got the bit by the XMEN bug a few years back and read EVERYTHING up until after xcutioners song cuz at that fkin point shit just stopped making ANY sense, and it was aaaalways like a cheezy soap opera. My point is, it just goes hand in hand, i just dont understand when ppl act like the soap opera feeling is ruining the show when it is in fact a part of its escence. What would be of super heroes without the camp.

[@tiredox3788]

I have stopped watching CW shows for 3 or 4 years now, and the clips I see now of the shows. I can tell the writing for the shows hasn't been approved whatsoever. However, I'm not seeing them changing it up or canceling these shows anytime soon because some of their hardcore fanbases will watch anything, sadly.

[@Meoknet]

Good work. It's all true. Superman and Lois and Stargirl are so good because they don't follow the typical CW formula. Yes, the budgets are bigger, but the writing and shorter seasons is what keeps us invested.

[@WarhawkBeyond2040]

I feel a lot of the Arrowverse shows have and continued to suffer with bad writing and constantly following the same type of formula, i remember when i was rewatching the whole Arrow series, there were a couple of scenes involving both Arrow and Flash that i noticed completely mirrored each other, for example Oliver would be giving a talk to the team about something that happened on the field and Felicity would lose her temper with him about something silly, he would then say to everyone "give us the room please" so he could speak to her in private or something like "a word Felicity" then i would watch an episode of The Flash and the exact same thing happened with Iris word for word. It was unbelievable how the shows would use the same exact format and they never tried to hide it either. The shows always start out strong with 3 seasons and go off the cliff with 4 and never recover. I think a lot of the problem is there are too many episodes with lots of fillers, i think if you cut them in half and keep it small to maybe 8 or 10 the most, it would work very well to keep everything fresh. HBO Max and Netflix did a great job with shows like Game Of Thrones, The Witcher and just recently with Peacemaker. I think the Arrowverse reached it's peak with Earth X which was a culmination of all of the shows coming together as one shared universe but i think since the Crisis crossover and Arrow ending in 2020, everything has run it's course which is a shame because these characters have so much history going all the way back to the 40s with lots of stories to still tell but no one wants to explore it more deeper. Thank you for this great insightful video and you made some excellent points which i completely agree with.

[@ProjektTaku]

netflix-marvel did the superhero tv universe the best. They had shorter 13 episode seasons, and had a clear vison (aside from Iron fist). And their release schedule was perfect. They had a great start with daredevil. Then jessica jones. Then luke cage. Then iron fist (although that was kinda bad). Then they had all these shows come together in the defenders. the arrowverse could've done something similar. Arrow season 1, a great start. Then the flash. Then either the amazon show (which they were originally going to do) or legends. Then black lighting. Then have all these characters come together in a justice league mini-series.

[@vasource757]

I bet some of those actors cringe with embarrassment when reading the scripts. Their close friends and families have to lie so they won't top of the stairs Peter Griffin themselves lmao.

[@ericmustang7374]

That no touching without consent thing had me dying bro

[@NERDYB4ITWASCOOLTV]

Yeahh it was pretty bad lol

[@jaypaul15]

CW fix: 1. 9-13 episode seasons 2. No filler 3. One cohesive story 4. Small cast, no teams and bullshit.

[@shaq8830]

You said nothing but FACTS! I have given up on all the damn CW superhero shows. I couldn't even finish Arrow.

[@TheModeler99]

Lol me too went back to watch sesaon six but quit after starting seven

[@DanielHernandez-gx4kh]

Jane the virgin was good until they brought back Michael from the dead. Completely ruined all the development for Jane and the show as a whole.

[@NERDYB4ITWASCOOLTV]

Yeah made it clunky but that's just a think of the genre lol. Was mad for my boy Raf 😂

[@thetruebatman4632]

“Y’all want anything from the gas station?” lol I subbed just for taking me back home my friend.

[@_Dawson_]

Wow! Seeing a video of this quality from a channel that only had 12 subscribers (at the time) is really impressive. I'm glad that you seem to have had an explosion of growth recently and I hope it continues, you deserve it. 👍

[@NERDYB4ITWASCOOLTV]

Appreciate that! That's for tuning in. 🙌🏾

[@GilDice]

My problem with the 4th part is that the television superhero medium works better with a villain of a week/with a major story in the background.

[@NERDYB4ITWASCOOLTV]

Yeah. It worked for some shows back in the day. Only problem is when run out of villains and start recycling lol

[@EAFFAEEAF]

For me; watching these shows just got... exhausting. I think I got about halfway through season 7 of Arrow (my favorite of the CW series, I had already given up on the others) and realized I was just "getting through it" and not enjoying it, so I stopped watching. After realizing that Season 8 would be the last one, I thought I'd catch up, so I could see the final season, but only got through 2 more episodes before giving it up again. Later I heard a major spoiler regarding Oliver Queen, and it didn't even phase me... I truly lost all interest in ever returning, not even Kevin Conroy as Batman could get me interested enough to come back, and that's just sad.

[@prathapkutty7407]

3:20 thank you for pointing that out! I also thought it was incredibly weird to have Barry and iris date sincethey're step siblings.

[@ciriygaming7608]

they are adopted siblings

[@noobmasterruben5167]

It’s even weirder when romance anime does it

[@ciriygaming7608]

@@heroprime7599 ain’t anything wrong with Thant either

[@michaelking1188]

im honestly just gonna say this but I think legends of tomorrow deserves as lot more praise and attention than all these are dumpster fires of *shows* is legends of tomorrow. Is it perfect? Absolutely not, but one thing that sets it apart is that they actually try, which is a lot more than some the other cw shows. it features an amazing cast, a reduced episode count per season so it doesn't take a full day to get through one season, and most important of all, it deals with relationships in the show a lot healthier than other shows like arrow and the flash. another thing I like to add is that the main reason that Legends of Tomorrow is the best show in the cw BY FAR is that it's ironic. It KNOWS its off the walls crazy and they don't try to hide it. I'd go as far as to say that even though they're a time traveling superhero group with a literal clone for a co-captain is one of the most down to earth and funniest shows I've ever seen.

[@NERDYB4ITWASCOOLTV]

I love legend. It's a pretty self aware show

[@SgtBilby]

Lets cut to the chase The people at the CW refuse to let Dawson's Creek go and make everything basically Dawson's Creek but with a licensed twist Riverdale comes to mind, It's basically Dawson's Creek but with Archie characters with a Twin Peaks style plot

[@tsmultiverse8956]

Great commentary! You made a number of great points. You definetly got my support! The DC TV shows really have to get back to focussing on character & story,as a opposed to the unnessary preaching and soap opera drama, wth that they must put a stop to the large teams for each series which ultimately puts the featured character of the series in the back seat such as the Flash.

[@NERDYB4ITWASCOOLTV]

Thanks for tuning in. And yeah it's weird man, I think they messed up making every hero have a big team

[@tsmultiverse8956]

@@NERDYB4ITWASCOOLTV Absolutely! Very happy for you bro, you have a great channel! Congrats and have a Happy New Year!

[@marvnuts]

The Flash's show has become the Irish and her Amazing Reporters show.

[@phillipredgrave5745]

Really enjoyed this video, you did a good job! Glad to see you're getting more subscribers!

[@NERDYB4ITWASCOOLTV]

I appreciate that 🙌🏾

[@phumomasinga4272]

The problem with the CW is too much of a good thing can be bad the shows are so long and they seem to run out of ideas and just pump out random crap they need to learn when to end them

[@PotatoReviews]

This was a fantastic, extremely well written video! I will definitely be checking out more of your content!

[@ImClaytonThomas]

I ENJOYED THIS SO MUCH

[@NERDYB4ITWASCOOLTV]

Thanks for tuning in

[@eccomz]

What I can agree w is that the stories are dragged and trying to overly please social justice they are no longer irl patterned. Batwoman makes me think there are no more straight women. Also, no longer patterned on comic stories. We comic fans really want those comics to be live action. Speaking of original plots in comics and social justice, I am not ok w changing all of them for social justice. I am hispanic. I would love for more hispanic heroes but lets keep the originals original. Lets make totally new characters to be more diverse, or emphasize these non canon are from a different universe. Pretty soon Blade is gonna be white or asian, Wonder Woman will be Wonder Man, etc. I love diversity, but lets keep the original source material intact.

[@wolfgang6442]

Yk they're not gonna listen cause of a thing called tokenism/forced inculsion

[@albertwesker2316]

I actually watched every single one of these seasons because Im a superhero nerd and I definetly see that its mostly kinda bad but there were definetly some good things about these shows and Im fine with that I guess. Sometimes the fan service in these shows can hype me up a bit but I dont really expect something big because thats what people sometimes do even tho its just an CW show. But yeah these shows are fine I guess but then compared to something like The Boys or Invincible its just trash and thats a fact lol.

[@NERDYB4ITWASCOOLTV]

Yeah they were amazing when nothing else like it was out lol. Regardless I still watch. Being a Bat family Stan boy I even watch Bat woman lol. Only place ill be able to see most of those characters live action

[@SexyEarHair]

I agree that there are some good things in the more recent seasons, but compared to the first couple seasons that had almost a full season of pure good content, the recent seasons just don't hold up anymore. The storylines just get so convoluted and just a few snippets of true to the comics scenes isn't enough anymore.