Why Developers Are Leaving Tech 2023 | Podcast Episode #22

[@bobbyjonas2323]

I work on my own projects, hence why I never got bored of coding. I code what i wanna code. It’s awesome! 😎👍

[@paulo7507]

Its fine, she fell out of love with coding, there are more important things in life than coding like your mental health, im just happy she has the support around her.

[@rerrer3346]

She needs to just get in the kitchen and raise some kids

[@paulo7507]

@@rerrer3346 you can do that if thats what you want to do

[@isaacfrancis2820]

@@rerrer3346😂💀

[@Monray87]

just a little advise, when it comes to anxiety and depression, stress is a huge factor but also you need to check what your eat, there's a huge link between gut health and anxiety and depression so do some reasearch around that.

[@lorbrum]

Almost everything she said she felt about coding is how I felt when the time came to search for an Electrical/Electronic Tech internship in 2021. The added stress of imposter syndrome on top of joining a field that has historically been dominated by the opposite gender, I should have listened to my intuition and realized what I was doing isn't what I'm passionate about, it's what I thought at the time was the right decision because I had family that convinced me how good the pay is, as it would turn out, money isn't everything. What you genuinely enjoy learning is what you are passionate about and it will show through your work! Hey, keep up the amazing work guys!! I always look forward to your videos, Chris. You've helped me dissect my experiences and helped me rediscover my passion for code!! 😁💖

[@BlessedBeJESUSCHRIST]

Opposite gender, lol just get a husband and take care of him.

[@Dalamain]

Stopped reading when you felt the need to mention being repressed by the male gender. Spare a thought for how male hair stylists feel in an industry dominated by females. Glass houses and that.

[@Monray87]

I feeling like the people in tech are search for the ideal life but that's difficult to achieve, most times it's people that start their own thing that actually finds that happiness.

[@awwtergirl7040]

This makes sense considering that the entire notion of ownership of the thing you create and process of creating it as a creative exercise are central in the theory of alienation from your labor.

[@mayank4156]

Coding can be stressful, no doubt because you have to keep learning. There's no end to it.

[@chrisseantalks]

It certainly is stressful but I love it lol

[@andrewo.9412]

I'm trying to learn.. Feel like it is such a long road. As for constant learning, well, I practice medicine so, I always have to learn already.

[@autumn399]

​@@andrewo.9412I'm considering between medicine, nursing or software engineering. Do you have any advice for me?

[@andrewo.9412]

@@autumn399 well, I don’t on the SE side. What do you mean by medicine or nursing? Like, what route in medicine? Nursing, you will learn a lot, make more than an EMS clinician but are really subject to what a doctor is ordering. Depending on where you are depends on your autonomy. But you pretty much need a docs order for a lot of things. Your medication administration scope is higher. I like being a paramedic but I feel I hit a ceiling. I have a ton of autonomy. I have to make critical decisions without having more diagnostic capabilities, so I have to have the know how and know why I’m doing what I am doing. Plus I would like to go flight. A natural progression from there is PA. Still independent but under a docs license. Nursing also has many routes.

[@autumn399]

@@andrewo.9412 oh sorry I meant being a doctor or nurse. I have considered studying to become a doctor but I'm hesitant whether I want to spend my entire 20s studying & training and I'm also worried about work life balance if I were to become a doctor cause I also have other interests.

[@codeninja77]

If you join Tech just for the money, you will lose the strength to move forward along the way. On the other hand if you join because of passion you will never imagine yourself taking another path. Do what you Love and Love what you Do.

[@awwtergirl7040]

Hedonic treadmill and adaptation are a big factor for a person driven by money alone.

[@codeninja77]

@TheEngineer5494 You are right.

[@codeninja77]

@@awwtergirl7040 You are correct

[@codeninja77]

Thanks Chris, you are my Web Dev inspiration

[@fadsa342]

My big takeaways from this are 1. We should normalize taking career breaks 2. Being good at interviewing for and getting a job in tech doesn't mean you'll be good at or enjoy the job 3. "Work in Tech" content creators should interview more "regular" engineers. The average person in tech doesn't make anywhere near what doctors, especially specialists make. Even in 2023 with FAANG and other companies paying six figures for 1-3 years of experience, you still find tons of people not cracking six figures until they're 10+ years into their career. Perhaps better level setting would stop some of the hateful comments as well as improve the mental health of some people trying to transition to or already in tech

[@boone-b5b]

I’m an iOS boy and have been developing professionally for almost 2 years now. Definitely register with a lot of topics in this video and feel relieved that I’m not the only one experiencing this train of thought. Its so important to enjoy what you’re doing for 8-ish hours a day becuase it can feel like you’re trapped if you don’t - esp in tech. Great video

[@nuiben7579]

The way Tru describes their relationship with tech/coding is how I felt in Accounting. You can fake it till you make it but you can't fake what your heart wants.

[@eoschill7438]

bro... I've seen her coding on a live stream like a year ago and she was killing it.. way better than me! so if she thinks she's not that good or it takes her long to retain information or learn to code I'm screwed lmao

[@chrisseantalks]

She is very good at what she does :D

[@boot-strapper]

I love coding, but the corporate world just drains the soul. I cant afford not to have the high income though so I just suffer.

[@trabucks]

Wow would you say it's the people or the actual work

[@boot-strapper]

@@trabucks it’s politics, the inefficiencies, the constant push for dumb projects so specific people can get a raise and then abandon the project. Stuff like that. In most companies no one actually cares about the products they are building. They are there for a paycheck.

[@trabucks]

@@boot-strapper thank you for your response

[@kennanseno9716]

Wow! This video resonates with what I'm going through right now! Been in a career break with tech for 2 years now and now that I've mostly(hopefully!) gotten my mental health back,, I'm painfully struggling to get good habits back so I can get back into tech!

[@dequan300]

Im halfway through the video so far it feels like there need to be more people in tech to break down the workload and expectations.

[@aricwilliamsdeveloper]

Let me ask everyone a question... would you rather wish instead of joining a high income/high demand you stay at an easy going job and focus on building your own SaaS applications to get that high income over time? I work for local government (1st dev job), so i don't have a super high salary, but it's super low stress and i build full stack projects and focusing on my own SaaS apps... just curious on what others think who has experience with those big salaries...

[@perc-ai]

i am doing this as well i work 32 hrs a week, and i have alot of time to work on my SaaS company. At the rate im going, i will def be make more money then my salary job. Its not always about more money bro trust the only currency there is time.

[@perc-ai]

@bebop355 yeah bro we all this way building good habits is hard cause theres so much dopamine out there you wont be motivated to do side projects

[@personal5936]

This was a really great podcast episode very insightful. Mental health above everything else.

[@janine8413]

Hello Chris and @mewtru, I just want to say thank you for this video. @mewtru, I think you are very very brave for opening up about the realities of software engineering, the mental stress, and how you're feeling. I admire you for putting your health first and that is the most important thing. You are taking the road that most people are not brave to take. I say this because I know how burn-out feels (I work as an ED RN). It is your life. Put you first. I am an RN going into software engineering and sometimes I wonder if I have made the right decision (it's all new so it is a struggle lol but I tell myself one day at a time). I just want you to know it is okay to take a break and do not worry about what other people say. Your health comes first and once you have a good rest and a clear mind, you will find what you want to do. I sincerely wish you all the best. Big hug from Janine in NZ. P.S you will figure it out. I believe you can do it. Chris, thank you for opening up about your story in this video :). Thank you for your videos on KZbin. You help so many people around the world, including me and I am so grateful. I am not sure if my message above will get passed to her, but please let her know she is brave :)

[@TheJacrespo]

programming is pretty much ok, problem is the IT industry that is becoming increasingly toxic.

[@chrisseantalks]

It certainly depends on the company

[@JD-vj4go]

This is the answer. IT used to be awesome.

[@vulpixelful]

The fact that it's a tough field doesn't get to me, it's people having no consideration for that. I try to be supportive when I can when I see folks struggling in areas that I have experience in, and sometimes I get that same consideration. Other times I get the equivalent of her manager saying "Learn faster" and I've had to work hard to regulate my response to that attitude. It can be very easy to think that everyone is having a better time of it than you are, a perspective that the online dev space can perpetuate at times. But really, no one is talking about the times when we get stuck. Probably not on purpose, we just barely remember it after the dopamine hit of finally figuring it out 😂 It's when people act like they never went through that previous stuck period is when we do a disservice to our peers. This profession needs to take a collective empathy pill, fr, or more and more people are going to find themselves in similar positions as our guest. Like she said not everyone can pivot to content creation to decompress and most people will still need to keep their jobs for their bills and responsibilities.

[@AlexAnie-uz2nr]

Nice content as always Chris ❤

[@stefanintech]

Loving the pace of your uploads lately! Who's next? Dorian Develops? Leon Noel?

[@chrisseantalks]

Ty! I have 5 interviews waiting to be uploaded lol

[@stefanintech]

@@chrisseantalks Lets go!!! *turns bell on*

[@juliak2039]

I have a good advice when it comes to what you want to do with your life. I used to think it has to be something really wow that I needed to feel it in my bones etc. But then I realised, I just need to focus on now, what I want to do now. It may change later and it's okay. I hope you get what I am saying. It may sound simple but it was a big shift for me because thinking about the future put additional pressure on me.

[@nnamanilota3973]

I like the openness of the conversation and saying it the way it is..😊😊

[@chrisseantalks]

🙏

[@mr.random8447]

Still here making $63k/yr as Front End Dev with no benefits. Would kill for their jobs… Over 2k+ applications

[@LoveIsWar977]

The only reason why I got into computer science was because I loved building projects on the side. But working for a company, ehh, all I am saying is I’m going to keep climbing. Also, drained this whole year by layoffs..

[@knw-seeker6836]

Authentic conversations Thanks for sharing your experience in tech

[@chrisseantalks]

🙏

[@lonniejohnson9185]

With a 40 hour work week it’s hard for me to get burnt out from a job if the money is right.

[@nyrick999]

These two talk about anxiety and unhappiness but can they be specific about what made them anxious. I don't know what is like to work where they did. I can't relate.

[@raba650]

Love her laughs.

[@CodingGimmic]

Hey Chris

[@__greg__]

Good convo 👍🏽

[@khaludi8584]

She have a pokemon plush😊

[@m_o.b464]

very good video

[@chrisseantalks]

Ty!