Why did my re-built F-Pace engine blow up?

More 204DTD trouble. The F-Pace has done 10k miles since the engine was re-built. I was never comfortable with it, it's always been louder than it should be. Now it's crapped itself.

[@neilhampson2843]

My heart goes out to you. I have just had the same problem with a Jaguar XE. I had the engine bored out to +.5 mm and fitted oversized pistons. I did 60 miles and seized solid. Getting the torque converter of is a real task. I have not got the car back on the road yet.

[@Escygt]

Sorry to hear that. Do you know why it seized?

[@neilhampson2843]

@@Escygt No, not really. the crankshaft had picked up on one of the big end bearings and sheared off the big end cap. The carnage was quite impressive. I bought a used engine from Sheffield ,which I bought with a supposed failed timing chain. This was not the case. The pistons had burned/melted in cylinders 2 and 3. Timing chain was perfect. Its back in the car and I will try to get it going next week. I am not sure why these engines are so unreliable.

[@DAVEWILLIAMS-d6t]

There should be a lip on the casting that locates in the slot in the liner to stop it dropping or rotating. Seems to have been machined off. Bound to fail. Amazed it lasted 10K miles.

[@ckm-mkc]

I just had the engine replaced in mine with a new one from Jag - they paid for it. The second turbo destroyed itself at 65k miles, the first turbo had grenaded at 54k miles... I got it back a week ago, it's now got a 1 year warranty on the engine, but I will be selling it well before then....

[@Escygt]

Not good mate, makes me think I should get rid

[@anthonyrobinson-y4h]

It’s so sad JLR build so of the worlds best looking cars , but can’t make a reliable engine now . Good luck for the future

[@Escygt]

It's a shame they aren't better. I can't fault the rest of the car.

[@keithposter5543]

Wow - I was convinced you were certifiable when you said you were going to press ahead and get the different engine in. Bravo 👏

[@jackking5567]

I'm stunned at the failures those engines are having. The quality of design and manufacturing has hit rock bottom IMHO. Wouldn't care but a friend has just bought an F-Pace...

[@Escygt]

This was caused by aftermarket work done to the block but the fact it needed it in the first place is because they are shit.

[@rob19632]

Liner not fitted correctly. That's unfortunate.

[@williambaird8807]

I recon I know what happened to your engine it happen to me years ago. You got the head skimmed but they took too much off without recessing the valves. It will run but is noisier than normal just like your then all of a sudden catastrophic failure

[@Escygt]

Interesting theory. When I put the engine together I bought a cylinder head from a different engine, low mileage hadn't been skimmed.

[@svetiamis]

You must delete dpf

[@Escygt]

@@svetiamis first thing I did. They are a cause of most of the engine problems.

[@kirwanjohn101]

Fantastic work to strip down and refit the new engine. Sounds fine to me. I have an XF 260 180 hp. Sounds the same. You must be very proud of yourself. Well done!

[@Escygt]

Thank you. Swapping an engine isn't too difficult. I should have done that last time rather than opt to rebuild it. That was a big mistake.

[@eliotmansfield]

this is the pistonheads thread - right? (didn’t realise i subbed !!)

[@Escygt]

Yeah

[@rickydub6950]

Great work man, been keeping up to date on the thread, watching the vid really conveys the situation you have managed to somehow get through again and get back to where you wanted to be 🥳

[@chrissmith7655]

Hi, good luck for the future, keep us uptodate please. Many thanks from Nr Chester

[@Gr06ham]

They really are sickening . The sdv6 isn’t much better. This is why I love my 400bhp ipace that I can abuse and never have that engine worry again.

[@lukabilic6081]

I really hope you will keep the vehicle and upload new videos (positive, in the sense that the vehicle is in good shape and serves you well). These videos are nice to watch. Thank you!

[@musicmancjp]

You know what they say if something sounds too good to be true it usually is.

[@stephenstrassen1135]

that new engine sounds nice wow,,

[@jerrykurl69]

So this is how you end up in a padded cell with a straight jacket 😳

[@SHADOW.GGG-]

if you dont like breakdowns stay away from lr shit

[@georgeross9834]

You’ve done to much to sell it now

[@worldofrandometry6912]

I've just watched the last sequence of videos on this car. What a terrible journey you've been on and at such a cost in time and money. I'm considering an F Pace as my next car and was planning on getting the petrol version, about 2 or 3 years old. Hopefully the 2.0 petrol is better. Are both engines Ford products?

[@Escygt]

@@worldofrandometry6912 it's been rough, I want out of it but I won't get a nicer car for what this is worth. They are both JLR engines, the petrol seems to better. If I was do it again I'd go petrol or 3.0 diesel

[@worldofrandometry6912]

@@Escygt Thanks for the reply. I felt your pain watching all of that. Good luck.

[@Gabriel-cw4mi]

What a nightmare you had. Did you keep it in the end? You must be a very skilled mechanic to take that job on. Great video.

[@Escygt]

@@Gabriel-cw4mi thank you. I've still got it but I don't have much faith in it anymore. I'd like to get rid of it but I'm not going to get a better car for the money I'd get for this. With 135k on the clock it's probably 8-9k.

[@Gabriel-cw4mi]

I was going to say I got xf x260 2016 139000 for 5k and runs absolutely perfect, well need a thermostat so just putting up with cardboard in front of the radiator. Reading everyone's nightmare is giving me regrets.What a lovely motor for the money. Let's hope know more issues.

[@stephenstrassen1135]

id name and shame them

[@Escygt]

@@stephenstrassen1135 I'm not totally sure on the cause so it wouldn't be fair

[@Scouterlad]

Custard or it didn't happen😂 , you`ve got some patients i`ll say good work ( long time lurker ) read whole thread 👍

[@neilsessions9744]

Chevy small block and manual handbrake is my suggestion

[@ZacIonut]

Hey, nice to see you got it sorted in the end hope you get to keep and enjoy it. Its a shame as you put it, the car is great in any other way. I got a XF with the same engine, got it at 97k miles and at 123k I`ve changed the timing chain as I was worried it will go. Got it replaced with the newer version but after 3k miles later I started hearing a knock. If my engine fails I would like to replace it as the car its amazing. Shame they can`t make a proper engine or buy one off someone who knows how to make it. I wish you no more events with it.

[@Escygt]

@@ZacIonut I haven't got much faith in it to be honest. Think I might get rid. The only thing that's stopped me is there isn't anything for the same cost I'd rather have

[@Escygt]

@@ZacIonut I hope yours is nothing serious

[@ZacIonut]

@@Escygt if it is the upside is that so many fail of these engines that they are available rebuild on ebay for 3-4k :)). I know shame, but they are nice cars.

[@Escygt]

@@ZacIonut I wonder what the quality is like though? They aren't great from JLR so how good are they with Chinese cranks, rods and pistons in?

[@ZacIonut]

@@Escygt the reason I got the car was that I set up the steering wheel production line (the plastic bits) and JLR were a real pain in the ass for quality, like really not even Mercedes or lambo were this picky. (our customer was Takata not JLR). So in my ignorance I assumed jlr were as picky with everything when it comes to their parts and god was I wrong. I think the Chinese make the parts just as good (in covid times there was a lot of jlr parts being imported of China as the EU supply chain stopped) as the EU do, but they are Chinese so I don't know.. There seems to be a lot of off brand things made for Jags in China like front grills, upgrade buttons for the steering wheels and front lights from the face-lift (2021+) but made to work on the preface lift. This indicates they have a big market for them.

[@MrJonah30]

There a renowned ball ache be done with it but a Merc or and Audi diesel

[@johnclarke6542]

It could have been your injector spray pattern not been correct or incorrect piston clearance, that's a lot of heat to do that

[@Escygt]

Someone suggested this so I had the injectors tested after this happened. Cylinder 1 failed the test because of too much fuel return which means it would have been lean rather than rich so I'm not sure if this would have been a factor or not

[@ismaelbakais8598]

Hey mate, how easy was it to remove engine? How did you manage to remove engine with the front driveshaft going through sump? Cheers

[@ismaelbakais8598]

Also stuck on finding info on how to mount engine to the crane? Do i need to order any special bolts to attach to a chain?

[@Escygt]

@@ismaelbakais8598 you need do remove the driveshafts but you can leave the diff bolted on the sump. Best bet is to wrap a chain / rope all the way around the engine, I used the hook on the back of the head and a bolt where the charge cooler fits the first time, it was fine but the second time I removed the engine, the casting broke on the head and the bracket pulled out.

[@ismaelbakais8598]

@@Escygt okay thank you very much, the most daunting part for me i imagine is the engine removal lol we will see tho

[@ismaelbakais8598]

@@Escygt ahh im thinking to use both a chain and a lifting rope of some sort, as long as i don’t wrap the rope around any ancillaries any part of the block should be solid enough really? Also would you recommend ordering one of those engine block holders or do they tend to get in the way of chain etc? Thanks for replies

[@ismaelbakais8598]

@@Escygt mate ive been at this car since monday 😂 how the hell do you get out that top bell house bolt? Holding the gear box and trans together, got 9 bolts out i cannot get to the last?

[@Jurdzik6]

Hello… have facebook or instagram?

[@Escygt]

@@Jurdzik6 no