Why did Peter discontinue the ketogenic diet? And what's his dietary strategy for 2018? (AMA #1)

[@richardayala4356]

After five years of Keto, I lost 60 lbs of fat, worked out during that time and achieved my weight fat content goal. Now I do time restricted eating 18 to 20 hours of fasting, them eat. Like the Dr said, limit the junk, but don’t deprive! I have been this way now for two years and haven’t gained one pound! Beef, fist, veggies, some fruits, toast, love toast, potatoes. Feel great and I continue working out on weights. I am 74 years of age by the way. 5’7”, 150 lbs weight, 10% body fat! 50 pushups, 20 pull-ups, some cycling, walking two or three miles a day, working on the yard and garden!

[@patrikb315]

Wow that sounds amazing! Were you an athlete before?

[@ThePzrLdr]

NICE! At 66 I need to lose 20.

[@johnow7]

Kudos, sir. Many ketogenic, carnivore, and especially vegan dieters think every human on the planet should be eating the way that they eat. It is frankly f**king annoying. Everyone needs to find what works for them whether it is the diets above, other diets, or a hybrid of various diets.

[@rickfrancis2717]

I’m heading in the same direction at 63. Have lost 60 lbs and energy and brain levels are off the charts. Feel like I’m 20 years younger. My family can’t believe it!

[@HH-gv8mx]

You are a very small man🧍‍♂

[@Glad.Tidings.To.The.Strangers.]

I tried vegan, I lost a bunch of weight. I tried Atkins, I lost a bunch of weight. I tried Keto, I lost a bunch of weight. They all work, but I found none of them sustainable. I found just being consistent with exercise and eating whole foods much easier and sustainable for the long run. Just eliminate processed foods and refined sugars.

[@wendywertz8828]

Absolute truth I had same journey ! Balanced real food and no extreme crap that’s pushed now and weight training muscle 💪 ❤A-1C 4.6 consistently!

[@jeffj318]

Perfectly said. Skip the niche diets and all the KZbin influencers that go with them. Eat whole foods plant-based, low saturated fat and high fiber.

[@BillysFingers]

Totally agree with this and for weight loss just keep calories in lower than calories out

[@nickmogensen]

Peter Attia has a loving and caring way of talking about health topics - which I think is very, very important to get more people on board a healthy lifestyle.

[@olgakim4848]

He just loves the sound of his own voice.

[@Beefcake1982]

After 2 years with almost no carbs I missed them too. But when I went back on carbs I just didn’t feel as good. So now I mostly eat keto but I’ve found that I can have carbs occasionally if I want them with no issues. About once a month I eat Thai food or Italian with a bunch of carbs. As long as I don’t do it day after day I feel fine.

[@vohh7401]

Mike Martin I’m prediabetic, low carb, no matter what unfortunately, even with exercise, I can’t eat whole carbs- corn, potatoes, rice... and dessert is absolutely out of the question. I very quickly to start to gain weight. So it’s a low carb life for me. I’ve always been one to gain weight just by looking at or thinking of food. Finally figured out that I probably have a carbohydrate intolerance. 😊

[@Beefcake1982]

Vee Ohh well it’s good that you figured it out. I know some people that have that problem and can’t seem to grasp it and they just keep getting worse. Some people are just too brainwashed to believe carbs could be the problem. Hope you stay healthy and live well.

[@jazthing1]

I carb cycle along with IF.... works wonderful!

[@melaniej.roberts206]

@@vohh7401 That is a very interesting thought. I have always believed that carbs are healthy, but I have become prediabetic myself and I was honestly pretty surprised. I never entertained the idea of carbohydrate intolerance.

[@Leonhart_93]

@@vohh7401 Sure, but your body is irremediably damaged by long time carb usage. It's not surprising that things will never work the same as they do for healthy person.

[@allisonfalin8854]

Did keto as an endurance athlete per a coach’s insistence. Held to it with daily blood checks for 9 months. LDL and trigs doubled, performance tanked and glucose and A1c when up, not down.I obliterated my gut microbiome and developed a nice case of small intestinal overgrowth.

[@deliapfenninger4285]

Ooops! Something went wrong there! 😮

[@DigzGuy]

How did your a1c go up? Something weird going on there! People are reversing diabetes on keto, myself included!

[@DebbieTemperley]

My liver enzymes went up on a Keto diet

[@georgegeorgiou1511]

yes all individuals are different.some people's body love ketones whilst some others need to have some carbs .everything in moderation .everything is yin and yan.you better cycle them

[@HillcrestGames]

Keto was a great way to reset my obviously broken eating habits, as I was never hungry and had stable energy levels. It also helped me to totally reverse insulin resistance, and improved depression and anxiety to a point where I was able to get momentum in the right direction. I'm kind of banking on the idea that occasional keto can improve metabolic flexibility, but I don't think that's really clinically tested thoroughly yet. So every few months I do a couple weeks of keto now, but otherwise I do 30g fiber a day, and very high protein and very low saturated fat. Also Flexitarian and eat lots of quality fish like salmon, mountains of low-glycemic vegetables. My glucose is better than it was at the end of a strict 2 year keto diet alone, and I'm losing more weight. Closing in on 90 total pounds lost now.

[@flamingburitto]

90 POUNDS??? Was all that just from the diet or did you workout a lot?

[@gesheepistemology8050]

Fiber is bad, veg have many toxins, high protein causes high blood glucose....yup ur bastardized version trying to reinvent the wheel certainly fucked it all up!

[@gigilamoore2656]

@@flamingburitto What we eat is nearly the whole equation. Working out can add to the calorie deficit and tone things up but it is not an effective means of losing weight.

[@rudolphschwarz-schutte4641]

if you want to discontinue Keto, I‘ve found I‘ve had just as good or even better physical strength and mental clarity by adopting a whole foods, mostly plant based diet in which I would separate eating fats and carbs together. This last point has been key to me, as I would get crippling anxiety following most meals and finally got to understand it was caused by the carb insulin spike and the consequential fat absorption into my cells. This is still very much underresearched, but I think it makes sense from an insulin-based perspective and there seems to be strong evidence that the combination of high fat, high carb (more so if refined) just simply doesn‘t occur naturally and that our brains seem to get superwired in terms of hormonal response which can definitely induce anxiety attacks. Further there is research showing that ketogenic diets don‘t cure insulin resistance but merely work to isolate the issue while you‘re not consuming carbs, and that the real culprit is fat storage in the cells (by the way also the cause of Diabetes 2 through fatty liver cells). In any way, I feel great eating complex healthy carbs, and when I do crave something fatty I merely eat a fatty meal, like salmon, cheese or meat with some salad

[@cammieklund]

​@@rudolphschwarz-schutte4641 How does a day of eating look for you?

[@emblem2425]

Keto changed my life. Lost 33lbs in 3 months! It caused me to realize just how much sugar i was overconsuming. It raised my awareness on processed foods.(things you can achieve without Keto) It also put me in line with the ability to go omad as well as fasting. Reducing the sugar eliminated inflammation in my feet, fingers and knees that i thought was me getting "old." Nope it was the sugar. My joints feel 100% better than 10 yrars ago. At the very least Keto is a great dietary reset. For me it is my favorite way of eating so im like 90% on yet since i spend so much time in ketosis i have zero concern about going in and out of ketosis. Im not bound by that ideal. Being mostly OMAD and physically active I get away with eating whatever i want calorically but i invariably return to keto for weeks on end just because i feel better overall on it in general. I'd never be mad at someone for ditching Keto! Its not that serious. But me? I love Keto. But I'm not cultish about it. I would suggest for beginners 3 months of strict keto to get the full benefit and understanding of how to do it. As well as your bodys adaptatoon to it. In and out of ketosis early on you will never experience the fat burning machine your body can become when youre fat adapted.

[@DigzGuy]

This is such a great answer!

[@nomandad2000]

I try stuff like this and I end up getting super all day long obsessive intrusive thoughts centered around food: planning, nutrition metrics, numbers, etc. I have to find a way to keep it simple and get all this out of my head so I can focus on other aspects of my life.

[@Sarahizahhsum]

Eat intuitively

[@britter1955]

@@Sarahizahhsum intuitive eating doesn’t work if you have addiction issues with sugar and carbs. It’s like telling an alcoholic to “just drink intuitively”

[@suisinghoraceho2403]

As the good doctor does, keep focus on quality of food first (weed out any processed food). That would cut down your sugar and other refined cab massively; Try time restricted eating if it works (but not a big deal if it doesn’t). It would put a lid on your calories naturally. Lastly, try as balanced a diet as possible that suits you (that means putting as much variety into your diet as possible, but getting rid of anything that you are intolerant to and induces negative responses in you). If you can, try not excluding whole healthy food categories. There is a very good book on this topic, called the endurance diet.

[@jaybyrddoggie]

I don't miss the super belly fat I left behind as I continue to eat 90% fruit 15% vegetables with 5% meat. Keto flu is not for you.

[@jellybeanvinkler4878]

@@jaybyrddoggie don't you worry about being protein deficient?

[@lilystonne4108]

People should eat the way that suits them. If Dr. Attila can eat carbs without negative impact, good for him. He admits that the markers are not as good but he is okay with it. Don’t religiously follow any regime without reason.

[@pinksupremacy6076]

You gotta fucking live!

[@mp7925]

@@pinksupremacy6076 Sure. On keto/carnivore. :-) Enjoying and living well with anything from that selection, not missing none of old addictions. :-)

[@eminemilly]

I wish I could eat potatoes without feeling like crap. But I can eat a small amount or certain other carbs so its ok. Rice just seems pointless to me but rice macaroni white cheddar sounds pretty good right about now

[@glenng725]

@@pinksupremacy6076 Rip would approve

[@jazthing1]

I agree! At the end of the day, it is really about what works for us as 'individuals'. Being keto is not a 'one size fits all... no WOE is. The Low carb WOE is very powerful, and has helped many people lose weight, conquer pre- & Type 2 diabetes, and other issues related to insulin.

[@velikijoxotnik]

I'm still mostly keto, after exceeding my weight-loss goal of 70 lbs (in 6 months), but I'm not hard-core keto. I also believe that avoiding crap food is really the key. I love steamed leafy greens and eat them quite often, even though they knock me down to a low-ketosis level (or kick me out of ketosis altogether). I've heard many proponents of the ketogenic diet declare that good, leafy green veggies don't really count against the max-carb target (20g, or whatever), since the leafy greens metabolize MUCH more slowly that surgary/starchy foods. I do still avoid starches. No pasta, potatoes, or rice. No vegetable or seed oils, either. Many of my friends and family have been impressed by my get-healthy journey and results, and have sought my advice on how to start keto. I tell them to, first, cut out all boxed/packed processed crap food first. Next, focus on fatty meats and organ meats. Then, read the packages, if sugar is added (or has a high-sugar level), put it back on the shelf. Plant-based and Ketogenic proponents are often played off as enemies of each other. I am keto, but I believe that teh important common element that our two lifestyles have with each other is that we avoid processed food and go for foods that are as close as possible to how they occur in nature. I've always been a firm believer that the best option for anything rarely lies at either extreme, but is somewhere in the middle. Finding that middle ground that works for you is the hard part.

[@NannaTina]

I think mostly keto could be dangerous, if you are consuming high fat and not in ketosis and burning that fat where is it going?

[@simpleman7203]

I think keto is the best way to lose fat if you're also counting your calories of course.

[@jimrustle270]

My theory is that keto works for most people not because of the ketosis, but because it forces most normies to stop eating cakes/sweets.

[@velikijoxotnik]

Yep, since reaching my weight-loss goal, I've been questioning some of the keto-rhetoric. I tihnk that there's a lot of people repeating what they've heard back to each other. My weight loss success was achieved through a combination of cutting out 'bad' carbs, keeping caloric intake between 1300 and 1800 calories each day, restrictive eating, interspersed multi-day fasts, and eating whole, clean foods as much as possible. I noticed that most of my weight loss occurred after multi-day fasts.

[@MoshieJ]

Excellent advice/tips. Thanks.

[@nyguy5370]

I had the opposite experience on keto. Went there for diabetes and did lower my A1c. I was not obese BTW. On keto, my athletic performance (running and lifting) suffered terribly and I was never comfortable and was not easy to get along with. I quit keto after 6 months and got a CGM. I tested what I can eat and what really spikes my blood sugar, and came up with what seems a very healthy diet FOR ME. The diet is protein heavy, includes meat, certain fruits, vegetables and pasta (yes really). But I stay away from potatoes and rice for the most part, and I don’t eat much bread. I eat root vegetables like carrots and beets without issue. I stay far away from processed foods and most things with added sugar, except on very special occasions. I’ve concluded that we are all different and that there is no 1 solution for everyone. If keto works for you. Awesome! If not, find what does. But do the work to find it. You’ll be much happier and healthier.

[@SodoMojo22]

This - do the work to find what works for you. Keto is just a good foundation to start with.

[@ambramari118]

I have a CGM as well… I wonder which levels of glucose do you stick to…

[@yaupondrone4562]

Similar my friend. Keto 18 months pushed my A1C from 5.9 to 5.5 quick, but it never went lower. Even with intermittent fasting daily with 3 day fasts each month. What make sense to me is keto flatlines your blood glucose, but as you continue the liver pumps out glucose and keeps fasting glucose above 100. After keto destroyed my good lifetime LDL < 90-100 by pushing it up to 175, I had to make a change. Got a CGM just like you and found eating plant-based whole foods mostly with fish and almost no saturated fat and low fat in general, but blood glucose went from wild swings to very stable with peaks around 120 after higher carb meals and fasting levels in the 80s now. And my LDL dropped to 60 in a few months. A HOMA-IR test showed I had extreme insulin sensitivity now eating carb-base whole foot diet. CGM estimated my A1C around 5 now.

[@grumpyinbrooklyn6347]

That sounds like a mainly whole foods, moderately low carb diet. That would be ideal or at least adecuate to a whol lot of people! Not for me, though! There's no way I can eat over more than 50g a day and not regret it! Higher prtein seems tobe better than higher fat for me, though. But higher fat was better to get adapted in the beginning.

[@WorldsBestGuys]

Enjoyment is also a health factor that many people forget

[@leonardochaves1073]

I’ve been following Peter for years trying to understand all the intricate aspects of human metabolism, this is a fascinating world. All this years I questioned myself why Peter do all this experimentation with himself. Sometimes sounds like a pain. I’m coming from Peter’s interview with Esther Perel and now I’m assuming that Peter is entering in another level of live and happiness. Happy for Peter! Cheers

[@6789uiop]

Yes Peter is great and I've followed hin since 2013. My journey has been similar, Another great n=1 guy is Dave Feldman who put a team together and they created the keto hyper responder phenotype.

[@winstonthomas4576]

I did keto diet and even started a keto business. I had electrolyte issues and keto threw it off more because I was not taking in enough fruits. I still restrict processed carbs but I now eat tons of fruits. Works better for me.

[@jimrutherford2773]

When you get older, I'm 57 soon, you start to reap the results of years of high carbs and you want to feel good again so i started keto 4 months ago. Lost a lot of weight and haven't felt better in 40 years. I don't think I can go back to feeling the way I did pre keto.

[@Magar6]

You're still fairly new to keto. Give it two years to wreak its havoc on the body and especially the liver and kidneys.

[@MaSTerKNivEE]

If you are Long Time without carbs your SHBG goes up.

[@jimrutherford2773]

@@MaSTerKNivEE what does SHGB mean?

[@jimrutherford2773]

@@Magar6 I had a fatty non alcoholic liver before keto. How does a diet which reduces the one enemy of my liver, carbs, hurt my liver? The kidneys I'm honestly not sure about, I'm still learning.

[@MaSTerKNivEE]

SHBG - sex hormone binding globuline, it is protein that binds testosterone in body if it is to high compared to Total testosterone it makes you have less active free testosterone.

[@AlexandrinaSerban]

Ive recently started following the ketogenic diet with the *HyperKeto* plan, and I have to admit, Im seeing some impressive results! Energy all day long, and the fat is melting away.

[@sharonchriswell8500]

I was keto three yrs. Decided now to eat Whole Foods. Make sourdough. Skip breakfast. Maintaining weight.cut

[@jeffj318]

Well said, my friend. Skip the KZbin influencers. Eat low saturated fat, high fiber and whole foods.

[@Thedudeabides803]

Keto saved my health and slowly my wife adapted to it too because she saw my body changing. I have a 3yr old and a 6yr old and you’re right, it’s too hard to be on a keto diet. I added some foods I love like mango ect, and what I realized is eating Whole Foods and no grains is what makes my body function like a well oiled machine. If I eat pasta, bread ect I get major joint pain onset for 3-5 day’s. If I stay to my diet I feel invincible to body inflammation. No I love my boring foods. Thank you Peter you have given me the tools to achieve my best body to date.

[@alessandrofacciani7209]

I can relate to your story..Keto makes me feel wonderful..no sugar cravings..no inflammation..all the pains that affected me disappeared once I started the keto..all the best

[@firecloud77]

I love mango. I think fruit is an incredible cleanser and healer. I now start my day with 3 oranges and 1/2 lemon, all of it *eaten with the peel.* I can tell when my body is getting healing food when my complexion becomes clearer. The "liver spots" on my face are actually shrinking, instead of growing.

[@6789uiop]

I'm off keto but still avoid wheat and usually food from the nightshade food group to keep my joint pain at bay. It works. I also avoid fruit a lot and my blood sugar is still good - but I needed keto and IF to bring me back from pre-diabetes.

[@Myperfectshell]

In my case I get so addicted to bread, pasta, rice, and potato chips. I can eat carbs that don’t come from those foods and there is a similar positive effect as when I eat ketogenically as long as I don’t not eat enough protein.

[@mbaxter22]

Yep - meat and fruit is the way. I try to eat only meat, eggs, fruit, nuts and berries. No processed grains, no seed oils, and virtually no vegetables. For me, this works great,

[@filipinoblackpill6194]

You can eat what you want as long as you fast for 16 hours a day and no processed food, no overeating

[@BillEFabian]

If you have metabolic syndrome (1/2 of adult Americans have metabolic syndrome), type 2 diabetes (or have pre-diabetes) or are (were) morbidly obese, don’t play with carbohydrates. If you know the anguish of being a compulsive eater, steer clear of carbs as they trigger a hormonal response that will kick your ass.

[@tanial8171]

This ⬆️

[@lovelyone1675]

Yes. I remember years ago Suzanne Summers said ….You can’t fight hormones!! So don’t even try…..

[@davidgreene8608]

Not if you’re athletic. Carb fear monger

[@Jackpot12]

@@davidgreene8608 What are the first 5 words of his post?

[@Nonduality]

It's important to see how others approach keto, but you have to create your own approach and keep it flexible as you continue to learn and your body changes. I think the two principles that hold true, no matter what your approach, include staying away from junk food and practicing intermittent fasting.

[@Fercho324]

As someone who struggled with insulin resistance and weight fluctuations, discovering HyperKeto was a game-changer. Unlike fad diets that promise quick fixes but often lead to disappointment, HyperKeto offers a sustainable approach to weight loss and improved metabolic health. By limiting carbohydrate intake and prioritizing healthy fats, this program helps stabilize blood sugar levels and promote fat loss without sacrificing taste or satisfaction. Trust me, HyperKeto is not just a diet-it's a lifestyle transformation.

[@DavidBadilloMusic]

I mostly stopped keto because I couldn't play soccer... I would last 3-4 minutes incredibly, and then I would almost pass out... Everything else was beautiful while on keto. What I learned and keep doing as much as possible still, is try to avoid sugar and and other refined carbs, or at least consume them rarely and in small doses...

[@Virtual-Media]

Came to similar conclusions before viewing this. Seeing Tom from Quest after a couple years of the lifestyle he didn’t appear healthy, looked malnourished and gaunt, then many of the similar comments directed at me over the last several years seemed to make sense. As a bodybuilder in my prime I felt eating regular healthy balanced meals were what made me look and feel the best..

[@Milomuffin771]

I had to stop keto as I suffered terrible insomnia. Now I eat low carb and sleep much better.

[@LaneyandherGermanShepherds]

Me too .I have terrible insomnia

[@bfourney]

Did you try quitting caffeine? I had to stop caffeine completely to sleep well.

[@Leo-eb1wl]

Keto is low carb

[@shawnmount2685]

What do you mean? Low carb is part of keto. Why is it called keto? because you become fat adapted increasing ketones to burn fat. This is a benefit for those who do not do exercise. 4 servings of Brussel sprouts equals 16 g of carbs that's under "extreme" keto. Listen to his percentage on 4500 calories. Maybe if his percentages were 40% protien 45% fat and 15% carb he wouldn't have had the issues.

[@Berserk1Manga]

You maybe weren't eating enough protein. Also eating fats after protein is optimal. You need a good size insulin bump so your kidneys can keep holding on to electrolytes.

[@Journeyofamomdoc]

I am glad he talked about having kids - it’s really difficult to change diet and lifestyle when you have two -3-4 whatever kids and husband or spouse it’s just difficult to be so self focused and normal the same

[@terry2346]

I went on the keto diet to help lose wt and control my blood sugar (type 2 Diabetic). I have gotten off all meds, lost 35 # and feel so much better and have so much energy and more clearheaded! For me it works great! Also HbA1C near normal!

[@ericespinoza373]

Did you cut the carbs cold turkey or gradually cut them out? My experience is that the first 5-10 days can really be difficult. I did low carb serval years ago and I need to do it again this time permanently. But I remember the start was really difficulty mentally and physically.

[@unholyquail4560]

And can you now eat carbs like you could before? If not you aren't cured the symptomes are just gone. Eat a banana and see your glucose resistant state spike your bloodsugar up to the moon. No meds.. but also not cured because you do not function yet like others.

[@ErickChurch-gz4jn]

What are the best things to eat on the diet? I have major lbs. to lose.

[@billtrudell1636]

The real issue for a lot of people is insulin resistance. I keep my carbs down to keep from having the symptoms of type 2. I really don't feel like leaving the diet right now would be good. But another issue is I'm over 60 so I'm also concerned with alzheimer's and dementia .

[@gloriasaliba3395]

Same here!

[@Alaskaventureswithbrodie]

Plant based all the way!

[@Krunch2020]

You vegan cheerleaders need to find a support group. Humans are omnivores. The problem for the average person is low quality, processed, food like substances.

[@ataylor992]

There’s various scientific literature pointing to the idea that insulin insensitivity is actually a key culprit for many neurological diseases like Alzheimer’s etc. Something to note I think.

[@renee3148]

​@ataylor992 something I need to get ontop of with my family history of dementia on my mums side. I do MOST things right-personal trainer so train daily (always have) no alcohol for 8 plus years, no pharmaceuticals, paleo for 8 plus years BUT need to get ontop of my sugar in the form of dried fruits and home made bliss balls/raw slices (that's my weekend blow outs!) And my undoing for insulin sensitivity I'm sure...

[@Trazynn]

I love keto, but I had the same problem. It's the curries. I add so many herbs and spices, garlic ginger, onions etc into them that it needs some starch, like lentils, into it. And without that curry I miss a ton of excellent micronutrients.

[@deesexton2350]

Cauliflower Rice Is a Great Replacement for dishes that need Rice

[@d112cons]

I have no problem with this! Best I can figure, most starches are fine in reasonable amounts as long as fiber is there to slow things up... Same for whole fruits... As long as you're insulin sensitive. It takes a lot of starch to overwhelm your metabolism, though it's possible. Refined starches with no fiber is a bad start. That's the fuel. Refined sugar is the detonator. Fructose from natural sources isn't that plentiful - an apple has less than you'd expect. But once refined sugar (half fructose) gets added to everything you eat, your liver and pancreas get absolutely hammered. Dietary fat gets stored for later but never used, visceral fat increases, and as soon as those visceral fat cells get filled past capacity? Insulin resistance incoming. If you've ended up here, you're fighting a metabolism that is driving your insulin so high you may require 3-5 days of glucose depletion before you can even start burning fat again. Keto to the rescue. It's the "nuke the site from orbit" cure for insulin resistance, and dammit - it works. Wanna keep doing it? Yay. Do you *need* to once insulin sensitivity is restored? Likely not required, so long as you respect the fructose moving forward.

[@MegamanTheSecond]

Yea as long as your eating organic natural plants and vegetables avoid grains and seeds which are naturally loaded with toxins and anti nutrients your good I do a carb refeed on the weekends just fruits mostly cause everything else even rice just kills me for a few days

[@d112cons]

@@MegamanTheSecond Do take care with the fruit sugars, as mentioned before. Basically, treat each serving like an alcoholic drink, and don't consume what would leave you hammered. Unscientific, to be sure, but that's how I keep the totals in check. Just like ethanol, fructose gets barely metabolized in the body - most hits the liver, where 3/4 basically becomes triglyceride (yeah, fat). All things in moderation.

[@donwinston]

"spiking" your blood sugar and insulin does NOT impact your health. A healthy person can handle it. Spiking your blood sugar severe times a day causes NO harm. What is harmful is chronically high blood sugar levels. This only happens if you become overweight and insulin resistant. You cannot become insulin resistant without becoming overweight. Almost everything keto and other low carb zealots say is completely bogus. All you got to do is observe the diets and calorie expenditure of elite athletes to understand this. The ketogenic diet is for idiots.

[@robinp2039]

To each his own, but Peter is still eating a nearly ketogenic diet. It’s a diet, not a religion. 💕

[@parkeraaa]

"nearly" keto kicks the body out of ketosis and into normal metabolic functioning. He has all the *many* detriments of a high fat, high animal protein diet with none of the benefits of metabolic ketosis.

[@dana102083]

@@parkeraaa the dr is fat adapted. So he can eat a lot more carbs and still go back into ketosis very easily as he is metabolically flexible. Someone without metabolic flexibility will feel tired and sluggish so massive difference. So albeit he exits ketosis for a few meals, he doesn't always leave and since its been 4 yrs or so in ketosis, he will stay there easily. He also exercises intensely which also lowers sugar in the blood stream. He also fasts which lowers insulin putting him into ketosis. Not many people talk about fat adaptation. I've been fat adapted nearly 2 years. I will want chinese food or some vietnamese bun/ph.. I eat it, feel overly full, get low protein, and the next day i carry on eating once a day. I can say I feel palpitations eating high sugar and tested multiple times over. Eating spme carbs is good, but i always recommend 6 months of ketosis to become fat adapted, diabetics and morbidly obese may take longer than that to drop the insulin. He is athletic and fat adapted which is a stark contrast to the 88% metabolically challenged folks in the USA. The minority cam eat more carbs and "get away with it"

[@contrarian717]

Robin well said

[@ryanbarter3214]

It is a lifestyle not a diet

[@TurkeyDart]

I do the same style. Some weeks im in keto. Some weeks im not. But i generally do not go above 100g carbs a day

[@OtaVlach]

Every day Im learning more about the ketogenic diet thanks to HyperKeto. Its not just about losing weight, but also improving overall health and well-being... come on u know that.

[@stevejackson406]

I was on Keto for one year, and then Carnivore diet for 3 years. Everything was going along swimmingly, until one day, I had to be evacuated. With no other food options to eat, I had to eat some bread and veg. Suddenly, I was violently ill, and needed emergency medical attention. Most people on Carnivore say it's because the food is poison, and it's proof we shouldn't be eating it. I was advised that my gut biome was lacking in diversity, and my body was basically rejecting anything that wasn't meat. I was encouraged to include vegetables slowly (cruciferous), and that although it may be painful at first (gassy, bloating), stick with it. Now, can eat a wide range of vegetables and other foods without any ill effects, and I retain all of the benefits I had on Carnivore, and moving back to a sort of Keto lifestyle. Sometimes, with food, people need to think how their bodies will react if they find themselves in an emergency, without access to their normal foods. Will they react in a life-threatening way like me? Basically, I've learnt that Carnivore diet is excellent for resetting your body, Keto is excellent for continuing health benefits, while increasing gut biome, and then you can build from there. There's a lot of militancy sometimes from folks who just think that Keto/Carnivore is the only way forward, rejecting success stories from other lifestyles. I had one KZbin "doctor" basically disregard research into the prospect of people being predisposed to suiting certain diets i.e. Person A suits Carnivore better, Person B suits Keto better, Person C suits moderation in all foods better. I'm delighted to see the open-mindedness in the comments, and your approach to health too. It's refreshing, and much needed in a tribal dietary world.

[@bidnow2946]

2:08 "I was about as good a responder as you're going to see." Dr. Atkins' and Dr. Volek's research has confirmed that many long term T2D patients never fully recover their metabolic flexibility. If you accept the Atkins protocol as 20g net carbs plus controlled protein, it seems that many can not handle over 35g net carbs even after losing significant weight and achieving normal body weight. I am sure that an athletic Dr. Attia can handle a much larger net carb / protein load than older, obese, T2D patients. It is not that this comment will offend the keto community. I think that it is instead that many in the keto community have discounted the therapeutic significance of this (even Nutritional Ketosis, not 4:1 Ketosis) diet for the average social media weight loss dieter. I would love to be able to go back to eating rice and vegetables, but my blood sugar (and likely insulin) would still go through the roof, even after seven years on keto trying to recover.

[@museitup4741]

Have you tried including extended water fasts? Look up Dr Jason Fung's work

[@thaidogballs]

@MSD Yeah and man didn't really land on the moon.

[@SiriKaktiki]

@MSD Not CVD, he had cardiomyopathy, believed to be caused by a virus. Not all heart diseases are caused by diet.

[@TaylorPhase]

@MSD no he didnt boomer. he fell and hit his head and had traumatic brain injury and died

[@saud1963-]

If the pancreas beta cells damaged then you will suffer from T2D for ever regardless of any diet type. To control your blood sugar you have to watch what you eat carefully and restrict carb to avoid undesirble spike.

[@UVJ_Scott]

Last checkup (3 months ago) my liver enzymes were elevated so started keto. I’ve lost 10lbs and now weigh 155lbs. But with IBS my gut was killing me due to lack of fiber, subsequently I’m eating oatmeal/oat bran for breakfast. No sugar, no fruit juices, total carbs less than 50 and life is OK.

[@bh613]

Have you watched Ken Berry’s page? He might have ideas on your issue. Hope u are well. Do you fast?

[@UVJ_Scott]

@@bh613 yes, I’ve watched many of Dr. Berry’s videos. I’m down to 146lbs and doing well, thanks. I stopped taking my statin prescription too and that has also helped.

[@jakeerussell7496]

You'd be much better off with psyllium husks than oatmeal.

[@jellybeanvinkler4878]

Why were you lacking fiber on keto diet? I get a lot of fiber every day in the form of salad. Plus I eat tons of low carb veggies.

[@raduneo]

Green veggies, Kale, Arugula, broccoli, many types of lettuce, cabbage, swiss chard, sprouts, saurkraut, carrots, beets, avocados are all quite rich in fiber.

[@underwaves75]

Low carb blew up my stress and anxiety as my body went into shock to the point I drove myself to the hospital with bad chest pains. And even today my heart still beats too hard. So I gave it up because I’ve got kids to look after. Listening to your body is most important. I didn’t account for electrolyte, mineral or calorie deficits. It could have ended badly. I eat like this guy now. I still eat healthy fats, veggies, fruits, grass fed/finished rudiment animals, pastured chicken eggs, bone broth, bee pollen, potatoes, brown rice etc. basically raw clean foods. It’s not for all people everywhere all the time.

[@das6708]

I left strict Keto after many years because I got sicker and sicker and peripheral neuropathy got exreme. I did some research and started doing something else and feeling better. (look up relationship of P.N. to fat, it's fascinating). I just felt weird all the time. Now I feel better! Whew. It was a hard paradigm shift for me.

[@das6708]

@Ryan Woods Yes, as Keto specifies. Now Cleveland Clinic whole plant really has helped my cardio, thanks.

[@dario2rnr]

At 69 and 250lbs, and T2D, I went Keto, Im now 172lbs and 75 with NO old age diseases. Im now more Carnivore than Keto. When you're old its a whole different story.

[@lindabirmingham603]

And for those with pain due to oxalates. I had fibromyalgia, bladder pain and chronic anemia from eating veg and nuts high in oxalates. Also constipation from all that fiber I was eating. For many, carbs are triggering and lead to more carbs. Essentially, he is admitting he enjoys recreational eating. For me, I no longer want to be run by food addictions. I want to be optimally healthy.

[@danpan001]

​@@lindabirmingham603bladder pain? I always thought that is due to my enlarged prostate

[@dana102083]

Being fat adapted and eating higher carb every now and then is mich different than not being fat adapted and not using high intensity exercise and eating high carbs. If carbs make you tired and sluggish, you're likely not fat adapted. People that have fat to lose or blood sugars to make better, this video is likely not for you. Its a slippery slope. Keto allows you to address your relationship with food and the emotional side of eating. Those with big time food addiction like myself, need to keep their small doses of heroin away as it will cause relapse. ✌

[@1amortensen]

Yes. Well said

[@Seanonyoutube]

I agree, bur a nice big salad or a sweet potato won’t cause you to relapse. By all means, stay away from sugar. But good, healthy carbs in their original form is not a problem if your sugar is in control and you’ve gained back some insulin sensitivity.

[@williamchase5698]

Exactly

[@donwinston]

The notion of "fat adaption" is bullshit.

[@defeqel6537]

@@Seanonyoutube a salad would probably be keto anyway. In general I view keto much like fasting, you can do it longer the fatter you are, but for many normal weight people, they need to break it up

[@OGgrinder]

Anyone who’s been on the journey for several years usually find it better to add back good carbs for performance and personal enjoyment

[@jazthing1]

... and mental clarity. That has been the case with me. I also carb cycle, up or down, with veggies, fruit... depending on my activity level.

[@Ron-rk6iz]

People should stop arguing about what is best for all, it is so polarizing and nonsense. Empty carbs such as sugar, white flour, and processed foods are the bad guys, we all agree. The Diets or Lifestyles available, staying away from empty Carbs and processed foods, are good as long as it works for an individual. We should be open-minded to the idea that we are individuals and therefore need a personal approach with regards to Lifestyle and healing.

[@George-lz6ue]

I've been on keto for 3 years now, though it is more of a low carb diet (with electrolytes) than high fat, and am maintaining a lean body weight with moderate weekly exercise (fasted trail running). For sustainability I take a day or two off, every couple of weeks, so you don't have to challenge yourself with deprivation. So you really can have your vegetable curry and eat it as well....

[@stephanienewton6618]

How do you feel when you take a day off? And how long does it take to get back into ketosis? I’ve been keto for 3 months now (I started it because I was developing severe hypoglycemia with carb intake). But I feel that I’m starting to look older. My skin looks scaly and dry (despite consuming a lot of water and electrolytes). My face appre are to have more “sag” then usual. I haven’t lost a ton of weight (wasn’t really aiming to) so that’s not an explanation regarding the older looking skin. I’m a little scared of carbs because I don’t want the hypoglycemia to come slamming back. I do feel great on keto for the most part. I’m just not sure how to proceed with carb cycling 😬

[@George-lz6ue]

I do look forward to that cheat day every few weeks usually (can also take it or leave it when it comes around), but also look forward to returning to keto after a short break. Exercise wise, I do find running a little harder, but that is only because my body is having to adapt to using glycogen as an energy source when it is normally running on ketones. I don't feel significantly different, but I think it helps sustainability of the keto diet for me, as it lessens temptation. Not sure about your skin, maybe try adding some collagen protein to your diet, and I also usually take half a multivitamin tablet most days to cover off any vitamin deficiencies from the diet. Hope this helps.@@stephanienewton6618

[@George-lz6ue]

And I missed replying to your query about how long does it take to get back into ketosis. Not too long, about 48h, usually less, but I'm pretty active and exercise daily, so I burn through my glycogen stores swiftly. I also look at it as giving my liver a break for a day or two from having to churn out ketones.@@stephanienewton6618

[@underated17]

@@stephanienewton6618 Do you feel better eating some carbs? I thought most people would look and feel better without sugar or carbs, but it may be more nuanced than that.

[@stephanienewton6618]

@@underated17 unfortunately I get into a cycle of hypoglycemia if I eat too many carbs. Like one cheat meal and I feel the glucose swings. As far as looks, you could say my skin has more of a healthy glow on keto, but also less “plump” becasue we lose a lot of water weight. So it’s a bit of a trade off. To be honest I’m starting to think this blood glucose thing is a hormonal issue (I’m almost 50) so I’m starting to research bioidentical hormones. This may give me some more flexibility to eat some carbs and not crash. Or at least cycle in and out of keto when I want.

[@ROM-FE]

I'm in ketosis since 2019. Doing absolutely great! I'm have no cravings about fruits but maybe once in a month. I like the fact I do not have cravings, keeps me very stable physically and psychologically. Doing resistence training 5-6 times in a week and because of that, Im not afraid of glucose but I keep away the fructose. I can eat 50-100g of carbs once in a while but still being able to come back in ketosis in very short time. I'm constant 14-16% bodyfat at 47 and getting fitter day by day without pushing very hard. As a conclusion: I'm in keto due to tremendous benefits related to health, being the only one in my family who had no covid in the last years. That makes a lot of sense about my real health status.

[@donwinston]

You are not making yourself healthier by being in "ketosis". Almost everything low carb zealots say is bogus.

[@Thebusysuperhuman]

Same here !

[@doctork1708]

Bahahahaha.

[@DJMT-Africa]

It's like you are describing me :-)... keto/carnivore here, 1 year in.

[@donwinston]

Being in "ketosis" does NOT make you healthy.

[@bloggerj]

After over 2 years of keto, I abandoned the diet midway through the Covid Delta wave. In the past year, I have gained more than 10kg. I went back to Keto a week ago.

[@emh8861]

👍

[@lenkavolnhals7197]

Thank you, you are smart. It is exactly what I did this week and I have never been happier. Like why to eat blueberries if you feel like eating strawberries, etc... I nearly got my favorite alcohol drink( when I was 18 looking back) holding it in the supermarket. I don't drink and since months I have been trying to return to my ketogenic diet( I did it also for around 3 years in the past). Now I forget to forget it, go back to eating whatever you like. THANK YOU.

[@CalmVibesVee]

It sounds like Doc A does not *need* ketosis anymore and his body is doing well managing his cravings. I hope to be that healed one day. Every time (almost 4yrs) that I plan to go just barely out of keto it does not go well with physical or mental health. So I go back in and all is right again. I am working towards lots of muscle so maybe that in a few years will make a difference? I hope so. I am satisfied in my version of keto and see it as a freedom and safety away from binging, strong uncontrollable cravings, excess weight, sluggish, etc. For now this works extremely well at making me the healthiest I have ever felt at 50 yrs old. Grateful.

[@2023Red]

Atkins diet renamed keto. I lost weight but my concern was artery damage from IR. I cheat about twice a month. At age 75 with two heart attacks, my numbers are excellent. I suggest you consider CRP lab to see your inflammation marker. It matters.

[@atetraxx]

Yea don't do keto.

[@biodivers5294]

“I try not to eat junk.” Seems like a very good start to me 😀

[@joelkoonce8559]

I started keto 14 months ago, I had pre diabetes and obesity, it saved my life. I made My weight goal and no more pre diabetes. Now to gain muscle and cardio is My focus. 😊

[@Sunlightsam24]

His routine is what I’ve moved to…2 meals a day, avoid processed foods (not perfect at it) and pretty much eat what I want, keeping in mind I need 1300 calories/day to keep my body functioning. I do exercise, so that allows me some leeway on calories. Lost 8 lbs (wanted to lose 10), almost never hungry. I have found my body needs slightly more carbs, the high fat/protein made me gain weight, probably because of the calorie count. Everyone is different!

[@anthonyju6392]

I think keto is a good baseline something we never really had before. For people used to eating basically junk for a number of years it may take eating keto for a prolong period of time to get your body back to a normal level. Once you get back to that reset then I think you can start venturing outward a little bit going back when you need to. For me rice is so difficult to not eat as well as some pasta. I'm more or less ok with no breads or desserts but definitely try to keep rice and pasta to a minimum as well as not eating processed foods. One of the best changes I think I made was moving away from oils for cooking instead use lard, tallow or butter.

[@michelleambrose7939]

Loved this episode and Peter’s input about keto eating and the conversation around the kids. I have three daughters and my husband and I have always been super cautious about how/what we eat. My kids are now young adults and one of them has struggles with disordered eating. I fear that our preoccupation with eating choices has to some degree negatively effected their mindset. A slippery slope for those of us who wanted to give our kids the best info about nutrition and choices without creating disordered eating 😔. Thanks for all the great information in these episodes

[@isabelle3854]

So sorry to read this, it must be incredibly hard to see your daughter struggling..! However, I don't think you should be too hard on yourself, as all you did was trying your very best to give your kids the very best start of life, at your best knowledge+capacity at the time! There's no wrong in that! So many, including myself, develop a distorted relationship with food whilst being raised on a more conventional diet. Plus there is more and more conversation on other possible factors (like differences in brain/neural wiring) that make certain people more likely to develop distorted eating behaviours. All you can do now is be there for her 💕

[@mrsrae3388]

Being extremely rigid in any aspect of my life make me a more rigid person. I prefer to be flexible. Wiping out any one food group completely doesn’t work for me. I don’t feel good physically or mentally. So far I’m healthy and never been over or underweight so I guess I’m lucky. I tried the keto diet for awhile because of all the health benefits that people talk about but it did nothing for me but make me feel deprived. I also missed fruits and vegetables. Then again I don’t care for “sweets” like cake at all. So ultimately,I guess the point is that you have to do what works for you and remember to be tolerant and respectful of those who differ in their opinions.

[@ktcarl]

I went carnivore to help my Type 2 diabetes and my blood glucose came down but I will fall off the wagon every now and then. I'm mostly eating low carb(30g-40g per day) but will sometimes have naughty food or cheat meal just to enjoy myself. I don't worry so much about remaining in ketosis as I am about keeping blood sugar low. I will say that when I first went carnivore I dropped 15lbs in 3 weeks. I'm not losing anymore weight nor gaining any. Dr. Attia's stir fry sounds good but my favorite that I haven't eaten in years is Indian Cuisine. I love rice pudding! I don't think people should worry about eating something that's not on their diet plan occasionally. Just have that one item or meal and then go back on your diet full steam ahead. I think I just talked myself into eating some tandoori chicken. YUM!

[@lynneann9166]

I became veganish after my brother died at 57 from cancer. 💔I feel so much better.

[@Radnally]

When you hit your late 40s, get a CAC and a CIMT. The leading research is indicating a strong link between high carbs and arterial inflammation.

[@sergiodario58able]

Also care to explain what "CAC and CIMT" mean" I would appreciate it, thanks.

[@YouTuber-ep5xx]

I'd recommend getting the CACS (coronary artery calcium score, derived from a CT scan of heart) and CIMT (carotid artery intima thickness test) at around age 40. Me, I'd mistakenly eaten low-fat (which by default is high-carb, which is high-sugar, which is bad) and as a result almost certainly by that point in time had coronary artery disease. Wish I'd known by then. Instead, at 56, acute coronary artery disease was diagnosed. Now I've been strict keto for 17 months in hope of healing and extending life. All thanks to helpful folks on youtube. My docs at Mayo Clinic have largely been worse than useless. They're like, 'root causes' - what's that?!

[@angelawilliamson6765]

@@KZbinr-ep5xx you have to make sure you get vitamin k and magnesium in order to reduce a calcification of your arteries. You'll find information and research on KZbin on this..

[@YouTuber-ep5xx]

@@angelawilliamson6765 Thanks for that Angela. Yeah, I've been taking both forms of K2 and also magnesium for over a year. And D3 and kelp/Iodine. KZbinrs like you have been more helpful than my Mayo docs - by far.

[@sidmichael1158]

Cimt?

[@sectionalsofa]

Restricting bad carbohydrates is a different bag of beans than restricting carbohydrates in general. It's the difference between restricting whole plant foods as opposed to restricting foods made in a plant.

[@SonnyDarvish]

When you learn about the basic mechanism of fat storage and consuming hormones and glycogen storage (as a buffer), then you can play smarter with your diet and lifestyle. Many try keto, but they're eating mostly bacon and barely getting enough sleep. Someone like peter can adjust because he understands how they work, most people want to follow instructions without understanding "How" and "Why" they work.

[@lovelyone1675]

No truer statement has been made….I teach my children to think like this.

[@maggieobrien7280]

i started eating breakfast at about 6 and then i eat at around 3 in the afternoon ! i drink coffee and 6 to 8 bottles of water a day! no junk food and no eating after 4 ! its been 4 months and im down 50 lbs!

[@1billyjcraw]

People really underestimate the power of the 3rd lever you can pull, which is the time restricted eating. Its another type of buffer.

[@ZoeCuiM]

Who's the interviewer? He's hilarious. I quite enjoyed this conversation and decided to binge more.

[@h4k4lugi]

I was strict keto for 18 months (less than 30g of carbs/day)_ to lose > 100# of fat and get my fasting glucose from 270 to 85-95 (and my CRP improved and every other marker) and lipids didn't suffer. What I found over time was: carbs help my weight lifting and HIIT. So here's when I intake (non flour, non processed) carbs: pre/post lifting weights, and when I do time restricted feeding, seems intermittant fasting allowed my body to use carbs during the re-feed without the usual swelling and foggines. Those 2 things allow one to enjoy carbs when you're at a healthy weight, but I think Keto/carnivore is a great way to do a reset away from the S.A.D. and processed food prison.

[@jasonnewhauser4592]

Fat fiction on youtube is very eye opening. This one extreme diet or another is just to cover up how horrible big farm is for our bodies. Almost everything they produce is terrible for your body and wouldn't exist if they weren't completely subsidized by government.

[@lynnwilliams5432]

I am Carnivore and I feel my inflammation is so diminished I could not give it up. I don’t have that all day glucometer (wish I did )but I do take morning sticks. I have found cheese and heavy cream run me up in the 80s. What is good for 77 yr old only on Celebrex? My doctor is vegan avoid all about this subject LDL is high but I fasted bf and now I find they say not to .... Normal weight 8-10 mi step races and resistance weights. Now I only worry about family getting Covid

[@ignaciolopez6377]

I have never been in a ketogenic diet because I don’t think I ever needed. I as well don’t eat junk food, no dairy, no bread or pastas. I don’t eat fruits or vegetables or other food that produce gas or gut inflammation. I avoid products high in sodium, or those in packages that contain many ingredients. I eat everything else, and to me is not boring, I enjoy what I eat. I also don’t drink alcohol or smoke. I exercise at least 3 times a week with cardio and weights, meditate, listen to podcasts, music. 62 years old, 150 lbs and 5’10”. BP 106/70, with some visible abs even at my age.

[@chazwyman8951]

if you are lean, and fit you can eat pretty much what you want as long as you keep actively checking your markers. If you have too much fat, inflammation, bad blood stats, high triglycerides, etc, then fasting with KETO is simply the best way to get to a healthy place. Its quickest and lets you get on with life without suffering diet hunger, lethargy and dropping BMR.

[@Funkensturme]

It is his personal decision but I consider this a very radical one. He didn't have to completely abandon the ketogenic diet to eat his favorite high carb meals, he could just change to a Cyclic Ketogenic diet. It also works, it also induces ketosis and it also has the same benefits, specially combining it with time restricted feeding and exercise. That's what I do nowadays and to my exercise routine it works very well.

[@watcherworld5873]

When my fasting blood glucose goes under 85 consistently, I would like to eat some potato salad again. I would also like to have some fried rice. But, I think it would be extremely unfair to myself if I do this now. I am making such good progress right now, it will be silly to derail it.

[@oolala53]

Even if it goes under 85, such foods could spike it, which has negative effects that can be developing rather serious problems before fasting BG would tell you. This is not monitored in the mainstream medical community.

[@IntoTheVerticalBlank]

Wheat thins! My favorite that I have removed and feel and look 100% better.

[@facutti4213]

A wise man would eventually realize that food problem is not about food is about control, other than that best strategy for your health isnt any kind of food at all it is fasting.

[@Sol7Studios]

Keto is the Donut Spare Tire...You should not drive over 50 mph and no more than 50 miles with a donut-type spare tire. Driving for long distances on a spare tire can potentially cause damage to other car parts, including the transmission. The spare tire enables you to drive to the nearest repair shop to have the flat tire inspected and either repaired or replaced

[@louises7443]

Love the honestly of this conversation. I have done keto twice in my life and while there are benefits, it never resulted in more than 3 or 4 pounds of weight loss for me and it is very difficult from a social point of view to do. I see the carnivores, and great if they love it, and just think no way I could do that. Humans are different to animals in so many ways, art, music, architecture etc..., food, through culinary invention and recipes handed down between generations, is another form of human expression and connection. The favourite meal that Peter spoke about has a special place in his heart and life is about more than just ticking nutritional boxes.

[@csmt12]

I'm not strictly keto in-terms of monitoring ketones and carbs, but I moved away from carbs (starchy carbs, grains etc) a few months ago. Mainly just eat meat, veggies and nuts now. I did it because my gut health had taken a dive following antibiotics, and I was having other weird health issues like recurrent skin staph infections. This continued despite being an active, healthy young man. I did some microbiome analysis and found I had overgrowths in candida and blastocystis hominis - both of which are thought to thrive on carbs. Since stopping carbs, I've felt so much better - blasto has gone (in addition to H Pylori), and candida hopefully on the way. Staph infections have also slowed down considerably. I miss healthy carbs (I was addicted), and hope to add them back in soon - but I'm not sure whether my body is well adapted for them and love how I feel without them.

[@kevin_dasilva]

I'd imagine going full-on and not leaving the diet a single time will be mentally taxing. Of course you can have meals off, maintain a social life. Incorporate the natural fasting tendency with keto to make sure you'll kick back into ketosis in no time, develop metabolic flexibility. That seems to be the best method of all, not just keto, not just ignoring keto, but metabolic flexibility.

[@jiriwiesner]

I, personally, do not crave deserts such as chocolate cake at all because I am completely convinced that they are not food and should not be eaten. But apples, that I find tempting. Especially, if it's an apple from my own garden, meaning an old variety, not too high in sugar, no chemicals... I actually eat apples sometimes even though they are not a keto food. But I think I cured my insulin resistance so it should not be much of a problem.

[@danieloscar8140]

i also stopped keto diet and switched to agoge diet, its just so impossible and hard! makes me feels like shit as well

[@richardmiddleton7770]

If you're not doing it to lose weight, cure a pre diabetic condition or epilepsy there really is no point. Eat clean, move more and enjoy life!

[@meef1610]

Longevity

[@undercat7767]

@@meef1610 Has this been proven?

[@wallacesousuke1433]

I want it for the potential benefits for mood and the brain, also to reduce inflammation and reduce the risk of cancer, diabetes, etc

[@papaney1]

@@wallacesousuke1433 I would eat fresh nutritious food for those goals. Obviously everyone is different but zealously restricting "carbs" is not for me.

[@wallacesousuke1433]

@@papaney1 why? Sugar addiction? Carbs aren't essential and definitely shouldn't be eaten in large amounts every day. Ketosis is the most beneficial and optimal state for our bodies

[@dianed4190]

Sleep routine is far more important than food choices.

[@gigilamoore2656]

I don't call myself anything except eating in a way that keeps me off medication for Type 2. Call it low carb, Keto, Atkins, whatever. Just doing me.

[@BluffMunkey]

I tried keto three separate times, always keeping a massive eye on electrolytes. This was off the back of doing IF for 2-3 years, so my body was used to not being 'fed' all the time. Each time I felt like complete trash which did not improve (not keto flu), and each time after 4-5 days my heart rate got progressively faster and faster until it became unbearable. It was like I was being drip fed caffeine and adrenaline. I doubt I'll be trying it again....

[@williamdavies1192]

Yea when I tried it, I got PVCs…lots of them, and they pretty much abated when I stopped.

[@bob15479]

@@williamdavies1192what’s a pvc?

[@izzysmart]

I done the Atkins about 20 years ago. It worked for a bit. I am now a vegan and a body builder so carbs are back. I also now know when I go into ketosis I feel super sick every time. Our muscles need the glucose in the form of glycogen, once I dropped the fat off my muscles all diabetic type symptoms went. I am in the best shape yet at 24% body fat now and very muscular, I think keto diet may work for a few but not for me. Vegan works for me. Nice to hear different experiences. Keto a good way to lose lots of weight quickly as in stones.

[@futureofmoney3527]

100%. I am a lifelong exerciser. When I’m in ketosis, I am not myself. I have brain fog, low testosterone symptoms, just feel blah. Back to carbs, I’m on it again, feel great.

[@izzysmart]

@@futureofmoney3527 100 💯 j

[@emmanuelking9988]

Keto was the only diet that got me out of diabetic range but I can completely see how it's not for every health ailment and not beneficial for every single person. Certain diets serve their purpose and moving on from one diet to another depending on your body's current needs, makes sense.

[@joydot7620]

I now have celiac. was always kinda vegetarian/ savoury but now I miss choice & ease of living… thinking about Keto as an autoimmune buffer.

[@igloozoo3771]

I think one has to remember that those who respond well to Keto and Carnivore tend to have had autoimmune issues and sensitivities to certain plants and fruits and also leaky gut which may have healed being on Keto/Carnivore. I have period where I can eat whatever I want. But then I return to keto carnivore.

[@futureofmoney3527]

This! I started a keto diet purely because of the incessant hype about it. I was not overweight before starting the diet. I had zero autoimmune issues before starting the diet. I ate a whole food omnivore diet before starting the diet. I was exercising regularly before starting the diet. 2 months into the carnivore diet I had brain fog, constipation, low testosterone symptoms. I felt terrible. Those symptoms kicked in at about 2 weeks and got worse. So 6 weeks in total. I reverted back to my normal diet and feel great again.

[@bethhayes1]

Im 67 and have seen and been on all the fads that have come and gone. Ive never really been overweight, have always eaten basically healthy. What works for me is a balanced healthy diet. Fruits, vegetables, nuts, leans meats, whole grains. Enjoyable and healthy. So simple, really.

[@tommethans7827]

There's no "one diet" for everyone. Totally agree

[@ofirs5830]

Cavemen didn't eat carbs and we're still here

[@SteinarBjorn]

Embarking on my ketogenic diet journey and Ive chosen HyperKeto. Hoping it helps me achieve my health and fitness goals hehehe

[@TimBulanski]

If a Carnivore or Keto eater’s justification was simply, “I felt” & “I missed” they would be laughed at. But most of us try not judge what is best you. You do you. But I just got tired of obesity, heart disease and diabetes.

[@angelab5987]

Yes, I miss my rice, but I don't miss the 30 plus pounds I've lost. I sometimes slip and get off the Keto Wagon, but as soon as I do I start gaining my weight back. I also get a little gassy when I slip. Keto is here to stay.

[@OceanFrontVilla3]

That's true for ppl with thyroid issues. Rice is fantastic if you have the proper portions and focus on red rice, black rice or brown basmati.

[@relaxo2739]

I eat a very high carbs diet low fat plant based and am very slim. I am glad this is working for me. Good luck!

[@stevewexler]

If (like me) you have been eating a high carb diet for 50 or 60 years, and have elevated blood glucose, you're probably going to have to stick with low-carb long-term. If not, you really don't have to be so strict. If you're not sick, you don't need the medicine,

[@snowfleece]

I'm struggling to adapt to Keto one month in. It's rough!! But it has all but arrested my disabling daily migraines (and for 6 months they had progressed to literally daily). I've only had 2 migraines since and they responded to minimal medication. Didn't have to take my $100 migraine pills that make me feel loopy. But it's interesting to listen to this. I wonder how sustainable it will be long term. But I am motivated to continue because as hard as it is to adapt, not a single day is harder than a migraine.

[@oolala53]

It seems to me a fair number of these experts follow regimens that they later say were too extreme. And basically, everyone is experimenting. For most, it will take decades before the results are in.

[@erastvandoren]

Nope, they are dead from heart disease much sooner

[@oolala53]

@@erastvandoren Who are dead much earlier?

[@adamweisshaup]

I feel what he's saying. I'm doing keto to clean my system and get rid of most of my visceral body fat. I'm definitely not staying this way for life because I just love food too much lol. But for the time being it's a great tool to reach my health goals.

[@lindabirmingham603]

If you don't address the carb addiction you'll likely be battling it once again.

[@victoriaputureanu7783]

Very good, your life style is good. Moderation on everything is good , no junk food whatsoever, and intermittent fasting is very good.

[@Jackpot12]

"Moderation on everything is good , no junk food whatsoever" - okay

[@ccdrones974]

One meal a day at 11am. 6 healthy meals per week , and I go big one meal whatever I want I have. I just keep the 6 healthy meals around 300-400 calories below maintenance, which is around 2700 That allows for the bigger meal calorie wise for the wild card meal.

[@ALIVE-888]

There are studies with lymphedema and a ketogenic diet positive effects of it in terms of limb volume and weight loss not only in weight but in lymphatic buildup looks very promising

[@nofurtherwest3474]

You told your daughter “hell no you can’t have a scoop of ice cream”? This is why I don’t do keto with my kid. I am going to let him have a scoop of ice cream, not daily, but mostly when he wants. He’s 9. Ice cream is a part of childhood summers. He plays lots of sports so I think he’ll be fine.

[@lindabirmingham603]

He said before dinner.

[@nofurtherwest3474]

@@lindabirmingham603 i don't think that was his point. his point is that ice cream is bad for you. and I don't disagree. But a little bit of ice cream isn't going to hurt a kid in the long run. you have to weight the cost vs the benefit. and there's a lot of joy in certain foods like this for kids. you can take all that joy away but your kid prob will resent you for it. i don't give my kid much ice cream. but after say a soccer game it's great. if a kid is active they will burn those calories right off anyway.

[@linsteele1820]

Ive never been on pure keto, just lower carbs and 8 hour or less window of eating, a1c came down, triglycerides and bp csme down. But lost too much weight; it is stabilized now. Still taking 2 metformin pills 500 in am, 500 in pm. I would like to stop the meds

[@FoldintoYourself]

Why not just use a mashed cauliflower rice as the base, instead of rice? Sure the size of my daily salad would also probably not be fully keto, but I'm of the belief that vegetable carbs shouldn't be counted.

[@jpg7616]

Cause it doesn’t taste as good?

[@KJB0001]

@@jpg7616 because the fiber count nullifies the carbs (sort of) and the vitamin/minerals in veggies are too important to some people to exclude veggies on a strict diet. so they swap low carb veggies in for high carb potatoes and rice and don't worry about it too much. Whereas, some people count EVERY SINGLE carb and then even a medium salad can put them over their Daily Carb Allowance and for some, that's restricting valuable v/m and can cause bigger health problem later. The Keto Carnivore people would disagree as they think animal flesh provides more bio-available v/m because it's believed that if the cow eats the grass, then the human eating the cow receives the v/m from the grass via the meat. Some think 7-10 cups of salad is a must and some think Fiber is not essential to the human diet. Some even think lectans/fructans/gluten etc are very harmful and only eat non- FODMAPS and grass finished meats. Hope this helps.