Why did The Mind Bender Close?

[@kevtech733]

Back when I worked in maintenance in the early 2000s they were having trouble getting replacement tires for the drive roll rims that drives the trains up the track at the start of the ride. They bought all the tires in the world they could find. There was talk back than if they could not locate more tires they would be closing the Mindbender ones their stalk of tires was depleted. Couple months ago I was in the mall and see that they had no drive roll tires or rims on the ride so I was not surprised at the announcement for the removal of the ride.

[@pierce354]

Having worked at galaxyland for a couple years myself, they actually told me that the mindbender was due to be taken down. From what I understood, larger coasters like mindbender have a certain lifespan. In this case, about 40 years. After which they must be removed.

[@user-kq7nn8qd2i]

Actually it was token away because the carts went of the track and 3 people died

[@user-fr6bo7vg5k]

@@user-kq7nn8qd2iover 40 years ago and it was still used until now so that’s not the case bud

[@user-vh5nw8fj5h]

@@user-kq7nn8qd2i why would they take it away 30 years after that happened lol

[@user-zp3ci7rc3v]

Right😅

[@samu-chan]

@@user-vh5nw8fj5hwhy would they keep it for 30 years after it happened

[@LakeNipissing]

On a few coaster enthusiast / technical channels also covering the closure of the _Mindbender,_ there is discussion of relocation elsewhere because of the excellent condition the ride is in from being indoors. A common theme being discussed relating to the closure is due to Hasbro going for a small children / family theme, and this intense thrill ride is geared for teens and adults. Everything needs lots of money (and parts) to maintain, but if the primary reason the iconic, world famous _Mindbender_ to be lost is because it doesn't fit a 'theme' is truly abhorrent.

[@BestEdmontonMall]

I don't buy that in the least.

[@daniellongworth7513]

"A common theme being discussed relating to the closure is due to Hasbro going for a small children / family theme, and this intense thrill ride is geared for teens and adults." That makes no sense if true because at some point Hasbro will stop sponsoring the park and theyll revert to another theme.

[@highroller96]

I hate to approach this nostalgic tragedy from a pragmatic point of view but the simple logistics of removing the coaster from the Galaxyland enclosure seem impractical - Although I'm not an engineer.

[@karlawson]

@@highroller96 it's like eating an elephant, one bit at a time. They get new rides in the park, it's likely the same process just on a much grander scale. You can probably unbolt and use a crane to lift the pieces out.

[@benjaminspracklin1521]

No, just have a look at havoc and trouble they are thrill rides and Hasbro themed

[@karlawson]

I once rode that coaster 10 times in a row when I was about 10 or 11. We had a summer pass and would go whenever we could. Such awesome memories of it, and lots of the old draws like the fire-breathing dragon and the lazy river slide. I'll never forget.

[@netook8]

Found someone who did it more then my 7 times when I was 14

[@dougkreutz7701]

When it first opened rode it 17 times in a row. Was a great ride

[@Melinko7902]

I'm just sad I never got to experience West Ed in its glory days. It's dying, just like regular malls. They just keep taking all the cool stuff away.

[@LakeNipissing]

I've been going to WEM for 37 years, and I would have to say 1986 to 1994 were the peak for "amazing".

[@junkbox_]

The mall is out of touch with the times.

[@leonardomartin8876]

galaxy land will never be the same again 🙁

[@JonV1234]

Heard there were cracks found throughout the tracks so maintenance was going to cost way too much.

[@kevtech733]

I was working as a welder for WEM and did repairs on the track. This is an issue with all rides. Cracks are repaired as needed.

[@Docta50]

As a welder, I often walk through galaxyland and check out the rides, structurally. If you look closely, there are many spots of fresh repair welds at stress points and moment connections. I'm assuming that the maintenance of a 40 year old rollercoaster was becoming too expensive and there were many other defects that were starting to become apparent. Financially, it would have started to become a money pit.

[@BestEdmontonMall]

And honestly, if that's the case then so be it. It only makes financial sense until it doesn't...

[@tesora8004]

On June 14, 1986, tragedy struck the indoor coaster when the last car jumped the track and hit a pillar, killing three people.

[@ryang1718]

ya i looked it over 10 years ago it had stress cracks even back then

[@lottiederex]

@@tesora8004 everyone already knows that..

[@xXPinkDummyXx]

@@tesora8004 true.. but why wait almost 40 years to shut it down

[@crimsonking4379]

I was under the impression the coaster had exceeded its lifespan and needed to be entirely replaced

[@netook8]

They could charge $250 per ride and it would STILL be cheaper than the next big roller coaster, which requires expensive plane tickets to ride.

[@desiree5416]

I loved that ride. When I was a preteen my dad even made these inserts to put into my snowboots so I could ride it (I was just a little too short) It was the BEST ride there. They better be planning something good to replace it.

[@ky3ma439]

I disagree, insider information from employees has stated that wem was unwilling to spend the money on the specific part to get it running, the park wanted it gone.

[@BestEdmontonMall]

Do you have any idea how many people have told me they have "insider" information about it in the past week? Each story is different from the last.

[@BestEdmontonMall]

@@bunnymon633 certainly didn't mean to be rude! I was just stating a fact, I've heard many "inside reports".

[@bunnymon633]

@@BestEdmontonMall oh sorry

[@LakeNipissing]

@@BestEdmontonMall Just about everyone seems to be disappointed or angry about this. The "insider information" someone commented on this video about the concrete columns or floor being damaged is different, although I would still be very surprised with the absence of rain and freeze/thaw cycles that cause concrete to spall and fail.

[@ky3ma439]

@@BestEdmontonMall just my opinon, just a stranger on the internet, just giving the knowledge as far as I know.

[@joemcgrath724]

You need to figure out why they closed it, once we find out the real reason why it was closed. Maybe we can find a solution to fix it, but the mall needs to explain this.

[@braedynsamuelcallihoo]

I used to be a ride operator here, the reason they are closing it is because they found crack after crack after crack, and they would probably essentially have to replace all the tracks, and the parts they ordered never arrived.

[@joemcgrath724]

@@braedynsamuelcallihoo well the parts are somewhere in the world and they obviously paid incredible amounts of money to get the parts so they need to find them, this roller coaster is absolutely incredible and it deserves to stay where it’s at

[@umershaikh7179]

​@@joemcgrath724 honestly at that point.. just make it cost more. I mean I'm fine with paying extra going on it a few times a year. I know others would as well

[@Human_ish_001]

A transformers ride is something they totally need, and the mindbender would have been so good

[@masteryoshi7121]

Maybe it was a bunch of modern day Karen's saying that it was too loud!!!

[@CallumBlackGames]

lol

[@naderzein2435]

They didn't want to pay long term maintenance costs anymore. Easier to replace with bunch of off the shelf kiddy rides with a Hasbro skin. Very sad.

[@hommie789]

The problem was money, the concrete base structure was failing and becoming structurally unsound and had to be removed to perform the maintenance work needed. Removing and replacing the structure was more costly than revenue generated over a 30-40 year lifespan.

[@umershaikh7179]

honestly at that point.. just make it cost more. I mean I'm fine with paying extra going on it a few times a year. I know others would as well. Well, then again, the demand could go even lower then...

[@FlyingNimbus]

I am so happy I rode this a lot before it closed 😪

[@patrickderegt2582]

I think the main reason to close it would have been how much it cost to maintain for how few people rode it and I think the space it takes up was just another factor. and the one piece of insider info I have is there are some people looking to buy it to relocate it. but I don't know who, where, or what's wrong with it.

[@LakeNipissing]

No major attractions in Canada had the opportunity to make a profit between 2020 and 2022. Many faced forced government closures. There is a possibility there could be a huge resurgence for "fun" stuff again, but we will never know with the Mindbender. The name being mentioned for relocation of the Mindbender (apparently to Niagara Falls, NY) is Gene Staples, because he has already purchased two Schwartzkopf coasters. Because the Mindbender is indoors, and has not been exposed to wind, rain or extremes of temperature, it is expected to be in exceptional condition for a rollercoaster of its age, and therefore the interest. The difficulty with the Mindbender is it is integrated with the structure of the building, and both removal and reconstruction (support framing for an outdoor location) could be extremely difficult.

[@sabrinamiller3671]

But lots of people rode it, so I don't understand what you mean.

[@patrickderegt2582]

@@sabrinamiller3671 well if you look at the number of people that rode it in a day compared to something like the flying galleon or the swing of the century it really didn't get all that many riders. and I don't think there is much doubt that it is likely the most expensive ride to maintain in the park.

[@sabrinamiller3671]

@@patrickderegt2582 That's too bad. Why do you think that is?

[@stephenn77]

That part of the building was built for the Mindbender, not a bunch more kiddie rides!

[@Silverrfox247]

I was too scared to go on it, but watching people ride it was awesome

[@jackgodfrey.]

Honestly, wouldn’t surprise me if galaxyland closes in the upcoming years due to less rider ship and the casino that wants galaxyland for its real estate.

[@urbex_coasters]

One of the coasters to get me into coasters. First inverting coaster I willingly rode, and first coaster featured in Travel Channel documentaries for me. I'm hoping Mr Staples has a home for it but I'm not holding my breath given the ride's age and the fact that it's had almost daily operation. Triple Loop's service life is likely extended comparitively given the fact that it traveled the fair circut (and was constantly carefully dissasembled/rebuilt) so thus more ability to spot structural problems.

[@hsrfest]

Wem sees the park as a kids thing now. The mindbender didnt fit the bill

[@DanielTillotson]

Not sure if you've got any props on this yet, but beautiful transition between new and old videos at the end there

[@Kingdoge7576]

I feel like the maintenance on the roller coaster was too much because they only allowed a specific amount of people on the ride so they werent making enough. Another theory that maybe it has just aged and not many are riding it enough

[@magne7771]

It's INDOORS. ATLEAST once, it shot a bunch of people INTO A CONCRETE WALL

[@BestEdmontonMall]

Also, at most once.

[@exhellification]

Decades ago. Why do idiots keep bringing it up? As if that's the first time a coaster killed someone, also it wasn't being properly maintained, not even the fault of the coaster.

[@noname-jh3bd]

@@exhellification Ok, I'm going to give my 2 cents....it should have been removed after that horrible accident decades ago. 3 people died that day. If that would have been nowadays, it would have been dismantled already

[@darthtrudeau4907]

I’m still kicking myself for never building up the courage to get on this thing. I had so many opportunities but passed every one of them up.

[@poetryplease1103]

Because too many people did like my brother and went on that spinner that went round backwards, then on the roller coaster then projectile vomited?

[@DarkXPalestine]

I wish I would have gone on it but sadly I didn't

[@TheCaffeinManiac]

When I was young I heard a kid fell out of the belts on one of the loops

[@exhellification]

This is why people shouldn't always believe what they hear.

[@michaelmyers4022]

Hope fully they make a good new roller coaster

[@RavingGeurilla]

Okay this is actually a topic on which I have insider information. One of my friends works at WEM doing instrumentation maintenance and he said it had a lot of structural issues just due to the wear and tear of time, bad welds etc... and they would basically need to rebuild it plus the cost of maintenance fees would be stupid big so they decided to tear it down.

[@takashi-lee3943]

If I'm not mistaken most steal roller coasters have a shelf life before they need to be entirely replaced Kinda surprised it stayed this long

[@jimhalpert2011]

I love the blue and yellow ride at galaxy land i think its called the galaxy orbited but not for sure

[@Mason-xv1ul]

I rode this like 6 times in a row sitting in the front and felt like absolute trash afterwards. 😂

[@yellow_water]

I ain't ever riding that. OVER MY DEAD BODy

[@LakeNipissing]

I rode it dozens and dozens of times between 1987 and 2019, including backwards in the blue train a few times, and I am still alive. I would ride it today and I am over 50.

[@justinhopper5941]

Depressing. It was likely too expensive to keep up the maintenance and not enough people riding it to make profit. That coaster takes up a lot prime real estate and they can make more $ with other low maintenance attractions

[@tesora8004]

On June 14, 1986, tragedy struck the indoor coaster when the last car jumped the track and hit a pillar, killing three people.

[@Lstn2urmama]

Maybe finally paid off the lawsuits from the past and then decided to remove it

[@spazzmalone]

I was there when it happened. I did not see it but I heard it. I was 14 at the time

[@spazzmalone]

@@ONEINAMILLIONTWICE10 Screaming. A lot of blood-curdling despair from witnesses related to the victims. It was very raw and when I remember I can still hear the hearts breaking in those screams. That sound never fully leaves you. The actual sound of the crash is a ghost in my memory. The moments after however... Only a crazy person wants to know what that is like until they do. Now that I have re-lived that, it will be a serious pain in my ass to quiet that sound. Thanks for that.

[@JoeMommaBoi]

Me: clicks on why the mindbender closed Him: we don’t know why 😕😑

[@AlexiHusky]

Ahh the ol whiplash express.

[@iago9711]

I would ask them why it kept being closed and they always told me they were waiting for parts to fix it. Im guessing the prices and turn around times for repairing it where outstripping its usefulness. Maybe the rebranding of the park gave them a quick cash infusion finally making it worth it to replace the ride

[@katelynmmcb]

Galaxyland got boring anyways

[@umershaikh7179]

honestly i see by the comments it was mostly a financial issue so why not just make the ride cost more? I'd pay extra just to go on that thing few times a year, I know others would. There is nothing else that is close to the mindbender in alberta or around this area. Well, then again, the demand could go even lower then...

[@AlexiHusky]

Sorry. The ol whisplash murder express. 😅

[@samu-chan]

when the vid froze scare me

[@Epicneon69]

Beacause the road coaster explode into the word

[@georgielockhart6686]

I went on this rollercoaster and there is this one beam that feels like it's going to ram into your face but you go down at the last second, I also completely lost my vision on this coaster (not permanently, but everything blacked out and I was still conscious) One time was enough lol

[@JonathanDS34]

I heard the ground beneath was no longer stable enough for a structure of that size.

[@BestEdmontonMall]

That's a theory I've heard recently as well - in fact, to me, it's one of the most feasible.

[@carlmadsen5734]

I read the manufacturer of the parts they used changed and using the replacement parts costed to much

[@Bigazzham]

I do have a friend, his father has worked in the higher administrative part of galaxyland for years. He has relayed information to me, for what we can expect for a replacement coaster. Since the great success of the orbiter by gerstlauer, there is a high possibility we will see a new infinity coaster by gerstlauer ;). As far as the reason for the closure, I’m am not sure. My friend doesn’t even know. I believe they want to kept it confidential, for what ever reason. Maybe they found something bad, and don’t want negative press. I do remember in 2021, they did have scaffolding up near the first drop. And on a recent video, which I can link. New motors in packaging for the drive lift. Very strange.

[@benjaminspracklin1521]

Do u know what's going on with the auto sled and havoc

[@Bigazzham]

@@benjaminspracklin1521 Yeah I contacted galaxyland about that, duty manger got back to me. Havoc is waiting on parts, and with the supply chain issues on the manufacturer side of things. It is taking a long time. And I was told auto sled is shut down for a hasbro conversion. They are also having the same supply chain issues for the trouble twist.

[@benjaminspracklin1521]

@@Bigazzham also that new gerstlar coaster you talk about if that type has inversions it could fit the name transformer

[@Bigazzham]

@@benjaminspracklin1521 Definitely, and triple 5 owns the American dream mall, and mall of America. They both have infinity coasters. They had good results from them so west Ed is also getting one.

[@babalab4486]

@@Bigazzham the American dream does not have an infinity coaster but a euro fighter coaster by gurstlauer, though I do strongly suspect a euro fighter or infinity coaster by gurstlauer, I think with an infinity coaster they might do a scaled down or smaller version of the smiler at Alton towers which would be cool, but triple 5 may pull just do something not done before (triple 5 being themselves lol) and add a B&M dive coaster because they do have the room for that, or a flourless coaster, which is the option by B&M I mostly suspect, though I do think personally if they add a B&M invert racing coaster in that spot it would be insane.

[@premierfong]

That is probably the best coaster in western Canada. I don’t know what they are thinking?

[@LakeNipissing]

Likely the best metal rollercoaster in all of Canada.

[@orthoking2722]

Do you want more people to die?

[@Goliath146]

The reason they changed the cars was because of the yellow train crashed in 1985 or 1986 because of the crash they had to replace the train with new ones

[@lightfuse5091]

They were opened and not missing any parts so can’t be that

[@Ayyyyeeeee]

When a bunch of lame rides take it’s place we will all know the real reason RIP Mindbender

[@CsprShorts]

Probably the dude that died

[@N0xKn1ght]

It wasn't making enough money to be worth the valuable real estate. It was too niche. Kids to young not riding and people to old not riding so you only get teens and young adults and then even then it wasn't packed because teens and young adults don't hang out there because it's geared towards young children... so yeah that's my guess

[@amandadyk3374]

Isn't it bc ppl got stuck upside down on it and they died? That's what I've heard abt it.

[@RickyGuterson]

Crap. So I’m never going to be able to take my kid on the mind bender 😔

[@SasmakToy]

Because hasblows child friendliness doesn't jive w/ the brain rattling whiplash liablilities

[@gamingtboy497]

3 ppl dies on the mindbender

[@Van_Phibbs]

I heard that a lady died on it like 15 years ago

[@BestEdmontonMall]

Closer to 40 years ago

[@JolanXBL]

hope I didn't reply already, maybe it's replaced because it's loud and scary, structurally scary not speeds scary. And there's an old story of how someone lost a limb because the beams are too close to the cars

[@lily.riley223]

Maybe it’s because someone died on it?

[@junkbox_]

Because WEM are out of touch.

[@Wolverine05]

You seriously leave out the fact of why they completely changed out the wheel assemblies and cars. It's killed 4 or 6 people. So disrespectful to the peoples families who were lost in that tragic accident. Unreal

[@retrosharkgaming4005]

I always thought it was because a guy died on it because he fell off of the ride

[@EchoConstellation]

That happened more than 30 years ago. It wasn’t the reason for the closure.

[@retrosharkgaming4005]

@EchoConstellation thanks for filling me in bro 🙏

[@DepressedTx2Fan]

One reason is because 3 people literally died after being thrown from the ride. The other person was critically injured with life altering injuries

[@BestEdmontonMall]

... 37 years ago.

[@Bigazzham]

Anyone know what’s going on with havoc? It’s been shut down for almost a 8 months now. Wouldn’t surprise me if they remove that, even though they installed in 2018…. What is happening to galaxyland.

[@dayne6597]

What’s happening is they are catering to the 12mo-10yr old demographic …. Which is annoying. Just because they sold out to Harsbro doesn’t mean they have to become a “kiddy park” 🙄

[@Bigazzham]

@@dayne6597 No I contacted galaxyland, duty manger got back to me. Havoc, trouble twist is shut down due to supply chain issues, and issues with the manufactures having supply chain issues. They need parts that are machined “on need basis” which leads to long wait times, and the supply chain issues which don’t help. The remaining rides that are open are getting transformed at the request of hasbro, like auto sled. From the duty manger.

[@mrhenderson9477]

@@Bigazzham😂😂😂 that’s exactly what they were saying about the mindbender before it closed.

[@Bigazzham]

@@mrhenderson9477 Yeah, but trouble twist and havoc are new rides. It wouldn’t make financial sense to remove them.

[@LakeNipissing]

@@Bigazzham Yet it makes financial sense to spend potentially millions to remove an _installed ride_ which is the premier attraction at Galaxyland, and considered iconic around the world ?

[@JessicaMullin]

I know people love this ride. I get it. But I personally think it should have been torn down when it took peoples lives.

[@BestEdmontonMall]

It was tragic yes, but what would tearing it down after the fact have accomplished?

[@JessicaMullin]

@@BestEdmontonMall the families never got the end result they deserved. Luckily, the Mindbender didn't claim anymore lives. Sadly, I don't trust the company enough to ever get on one of their rides, and I hate that they try and let people forget what happened. Unless you look it up online you would never know. I walk through and watch the rides operate, everytime thinking about the lives lost and how tragic the event must have been while hearing screams of people riding the mindbender, which is now removed obviously. Once I was walking through during Halloween and whoever put the decorations up put dummy bodies at the bottom of the climbing ropes making it looked like they had fallen. Feels distasteful. I understand that removing it would have been costly, (and unrealistic) but I think anything that takes lives due to safety issues should be removed always. The event could have even stopped but it was due to ignorance and lack of responsibility. I feel for the families, but as someone who is so sentimental, understand why people could love such a ride.

[@shadeyyellowbird3603]

heard a story that the reason why they shut it down was because when they added the new parts some of the instructions were in german so they missed a screw or 2 that was crucial for it being secure an for that reason i think some people lost there lives from it

[@Supersonic_saurapod]

Didn’t someone die on that coaster??

[@TheKinglyWay]

Didnt it break down and kill some people one time?

[@JunchurikiMo]

Didnt 2 people die?

[@joeamyotte8632]

I used to live in Edmonton and I was on that rollercoaster

[@overall_bargain]

I'm from Edmonton Alberta Canada and I can tell you that people died on it when I was a kid. I remember when it happened it was a total tragedy. I mean that could be the reason why.

[@BestEdmontonMall]

That was 37 years ago and it's had a flawless safety record since... doesn't make sense to close it based on that incident after keeping it open for 4 decades

[@azaz911c]

I don't think the Mindbender is profitable. I think it would be difficult for ticket sales to cover the maintenance costs, or an anomalous repair cost. It hasn't seemed popular for a long time. If there was profit in it, WEM would keep it. Instead they will replace it with multiple rides/games with higher profit potential.

[@sabrinamiller3671]

It hasn't been popular for awhile? I'm curious, how do you know? If so, that's heartbreaking.

[@triforkalliance7155]

You have way too much faith in the people that run wem. It was probably only removed because Hasbro wants everything kid friends and this ride was deemed too extreme. Which Is objectively a bad reason to make this change as wothh most changes they make

[@BestEdmontonMall]

That doesn't sound objective at all TBH

[@triforkalliance7155]

@Best Edmonton Mall catering to kids exclusively alienates a large portion the visitors. You are far too apologetic for decision makers at the mall

[@BestEdmontonMall]

@@triforkalliance7155 you said it was objectively a bad reason if it was too expensive to run. If the numbers don't make sense, and they can't operate it without losing money, that's an objectively valid reason as to why it should close. I love the Mindbender perhaps more than anyone, but even I acknowledge that if it's not profitable, then a mall ( of all places ) has a objective reason to close it. This is what "objectively" means - it can't be used to express opinion on a theme, that's exactly the opposite.

[@triforkalliance7155]

@Best Edmonton Mall I never mentioned money? I specifically said it was too extreme that that was why I think they are removing it. I think you replied to the wrong comment Also the mall runs alot of stuff at a loss, hell even the whales are run at a loss since they have to clean them. Catering galaxyland to a younger audience is going to alienate more people than it brings it, making less money so even by your standard it's objectively a bad decision

[@BestEdmontonMall]

@@triforkalliance7155 look at that - completely replied to your comment after reading another. My apologies!!

[@xenaluck]

insurance costs rising cut into the bottom line. all about the money.

[@goat_go_boom1844]

Something that a friend of mine mentioned is that they might destroy the ride because of the amount of deaths that occurred. The ride would stop upside down causing a blood rush to the brain, if stuck like that for long enough you might pass out or d!e from the amount of blood in your skull.

[@BestEdmontonMall]

No, it wouldn't "stop upside down". There was a single incident 37 years ago but it had a virtually flawless safety record ever since.

[@exhellification]

Your friend is an idiot.

[@GuitarHeroRocks99]

They closed it because it malfunctioned and killed someone. The end.

[@BestEdmontonMall]

... but they waited 37 years first. lol, right.

[@SasmakToy]

Y do you pretend like you don't KNOW this coaster was uncomfortable to ride and made people black out in the loops

[@spankymcflych]

Why did you make this pointless video if you didn't have the answer?

[@sensorer991]

Maybe the death of 3 people is the case.

[@darrenfrank9904]

It was never the same after that accident

[@EddieAyed863559491754]

Thought it closed because it had something to do with the accident that killed people.

[@LakeNipissing]

A disaster event in June, 1986 causes the closure in February, 2023 ??

[@EddieAyed863559491754]

@@LakeNipissing thought it closed along time ago.

[@LakeNipissing]

@@EddieAyed863559491754 It has mostly been out of service between 2020 and 2022. Apparently it did run for a short period of time during the Covid shutdowns, and then got "mothballed" again. Aside from maintenance work (possibly requiring certain shutdown days), the Mindbender has operated continuously from after modifications were made shortly after the fatal derailment in June 1986 until 2020.

[@EddieAyed863559491754]

@@LakeNipissing Real shame, it was legendary. Thanks Lake Nipissing

[@levyan4718]

40 years and it's old AF and boring

[@LakeNipissing]

Really? Then _you_ don't have to ride it. When I look through comments on coaster enthusiast KZbin channels, the Mindbender has an incredible following from around the world, and described as one of the most intense rides with some of the highest positive G forces to be experienced. Because of the limited space available for almost one mile of track, there are wicked tight curves compounded with steep drops that are very unusual. I was just walking around this a few days ago and looking at the track. There is nothing like this elsewhere, even from Schwarzkopf.

[@jasonfoo8651]

The decapitation didn't help. Theu didn't keep is cuz ot costs too much to maintain for the amount of traffic. There are parts. You talk selfish and know nothing of business overhead

[@BestEdmontonMall]

LoL, k

[@jasonfoo8651]

@Best Edmonton Mall I follow you and you're very good and thorough but tha6 short wasn't good. I know you know your shit, that's why I'm surprised at that video. In a previous longer video you explained it really good.

[@BestEdmontonMall]

@@jasonfoo8651 ok