Why Did The Traveler Take 500 Years to Wake Up? [Genshin Impact Lore Discussion]

[@sparklingpaints2227]

One of them saw the beauty of Tevyat.. The other one saw the devastation of Khaenri'ah..

[@ragingphoenix6196]

One started with Devastation and other started with redemption. So this story is actually an opera performance by yunjin!;)

[@MrGamelover23]

@@ragingphoenix6196 what's that based on? Are those common Chinese Opera themes?

[@ragingphoenix6196]

@@MrGamelover23 the opera that yunjin performes is called devastation and redemption. It’s a pun

[@kazunoee]

And in the end, they'll fight to either save the world or destroy it for good..

[@kluwii.]

@@ragingphoenix6196 woooh that was good

[@inigochicano]

Traveler said "5 more minutes" then woke up 500 years later 💀

[@Iamsnowedyt]

nice one

[@raisukiiigaming]

snoozed too much lol

[@ItsMizuNo]

Aether - five more minutes Lumine - abandons Aether

[@officialsoraa]

@@ItsMizuNo lumine really said “you want 5 more minutes? I’ll give you 500yrs”

[@ItsMizuNo]

@@officialsoraa 500yrs later... Aether - wheres lumine? Aether - *" continues for another 500 yrs 💀 "*

[@ej4346]

*"The Keeper is fading away"* This line reminds me of Dainsleif, the bough *keeper* whose memory "has all but *faded* completely".

[@captaindanger13]

except he somehow knows a bunch of stuff but anywayyyyyyyyy

[@ej4346]

@@captaindanger13 😅

[@bighomo7120]

@@captaindanger13 I think the memory they speak of may be the memories of his own nation

[@aspillust]

what,,,what if dain is the sustainer or related to the sustainer? that feels so out of left field but idk maybe it's viable

[@WeissberV]

@@captaindanger13 The "My memory has all but faded completely[...]" line is from the very end of the Teyvat preview which could mean it's relevant near/at the end of the story, not right now. His memory is currently fading away but he still has a lot of knowledge. He also carries around a branch of Irminsul which is how he's able to know everything about everyone, so even if he can't remember things personally he can just use the branch to reacquire the knowledge.

[@thehalfdeadguy7563]

My theory is that Istraoth woke them up at just the right moment. Just in time to purify Dvalin, Zhongli's fake death, the Loom of Fate project and during the Tsaritsa's plan of collecting the gnosis

[@stathisconstantinou]

True, istaroth seems to be active in the present time, since she helped us in the raiden story quest 2.

[@hirods9889]

I have a similar thought but not exactly the same

[@offlinet-rex8947]

For me my theory is that both siblings were put in teyvat to test them. They were there to see the beauty and destruction of teyvat and see if their morals and worldviews will change without the influence of the other twin. Both helped the people of teyvat but both have seen teyvat differently. Maybe the twins will be the balance in teyvat, just like yin and yang there is good and bad

[@rinderurulade5785]

@@stathisconstantinou Wait he did? Im not aware of this. How?

[@stathisconstantinou]

@@rinderurulade5785 actually now that I saw a clip of it again, istaroth was involved with makoto and didn't actually make any actions in the present time. Sorry for the misinformation!

[@kineretgilboa2391]

Traveler lore is my favorite thing about genshin. I've rewatched your traveler theory vids wayy too many times😓 its so annoying when ppl say they're boring or have no presonality or that they're MINORS?? when they're so painfully obviously not. Its honestly amazing writing to be able to give a pretty quite character personality and lore and backstory. And i just LOVE aether and traveler and lumine as the abyss princess, i just think it fits them so well

[@mariapazgonzalezlesme]

Same. I feel like devs are wasting their potential, three patches already and barely know anything about them. Too much mystery around a character gets really annoying.

[@F1ll1nTh3Blanks]

@@mariapazgonzalezlesme I think they wanna slowly build that up and then after the 7 are complete, the second arch will focus more on Traveler, tying in all the things we got from the side story quests and Dain and whatever else, idk. They said they want the game running for 8 years eh.. if so, then this seems logical. I think in that second story arc/chapter we'll learn all about Celestia, goetia Paimon, Khaenria'h and such.

[@kuroyami6289]

@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks 8 years? That's a long ass time. I hope I'll stay alive for that long safely.

[@BellaGem]

Same ❤️

[@minareeves1056]

I agree, it’s probably because we learn so much about other characters but yet we have so little insite into the main character. I really like being drip fed information about the twins it adds to much depth to the over arching plot!!

[@alexfirth21]

Will certainly be a long journey. But once we get past Fontaine and Natlan, I think things will become more clear. But also more confusing. All in all, traveler will ascend once they get all the elements!

[@LuvMox]

@Lavanya Singh and the Celestia port

[@kurisurisuku]

@Lavanya Singh h

[@kurisurisuku]

@@LuvMox haha yeah

[@jaycetomula]

⚕️6+1,so Seven?∆ 🗼*💺*🛩️✈️🚀🛸

[@jaycetomula]

@@kurisurisuku Quit laughing 😐or don't 😶

[@silvinity4939]

You see, they chose to keep the siblings on Teyvat because they knew that somewhere, in a far off distant world, someone would need them to be there to make a hit game known as Genshin Impact.

[@walterwhite4398]

Brb Imma go sleep for 500 yeaes

[@MysteriousFuture]

@@walterwhite4398, do this here on Earth and whole nations, languages, and cultures will become unrecognizable when you wake up in the year 2523 😂

[@walterwhite4398]

@@MysteriousFuture what the hell is brazil

[@niobed3987]

​@@MysteriousFuture thats if the dude stayed alive anyway

[@walterwhite4398]

@Verysempornalt aight literally a year of sleep

[@guss-g8054]

Another thing interesting about the traveller is, in the description of teleport waypoints it says that only the traveller can use them

[@humanthing5709]

Yet those Waypoints have been there long before we woke up. Did the traveler create them, cause we know we can create phantom like waypoints. Did our abyss sibling? Or were they created by celestia or the throne, and since we have a connection to them, we’re able to use them?

[@jackjr1518]

maybe the twin are the ones that made that thing . cuz they know that the traveller will go on a journey like them

[@aidoruuu529]

Maybe he already finish traveling on teyvat before meet the heavenly principles. And every place he come, he Made the teleport ?

[@HapPawhere]

@@aidoruuu529 But we can also teleport to Archon Pilars which is not teleporter by Teyvat people's knowledge

[@jamieh.7914]

Now I’m just thinking about how the traveler might abandon other characters when they go on adventures😂 Bennett, at the Guild: There’s a commission at the Dawn Winery! Traveler: Cool, let’s go! *teleports to the waypoint* Bennett: Are you serious?!

[@kineretgilboa2391]

So basically when the twins first arrived in teyvat one of the twins woke up first (the abyss sibling) and for some reason decided to not wake up their twin and instead go off alone to explore teyvat. Its unknown how long that time period was but it had to be enough to be familiar with khanria and its people enough to care about them. Supposedly the twin did something to anger celestia which resulted in the extermination of khanria, when the twin saw this they ran to get their sibling who was still asleep, and told them that they had to leave this world immediately. Thats when the first cutscene happens, where they try to escape only to be stopped and seperated by the unkown god. The abyss sibling is then sent down to teyvat without their original powers, to watch khanria get destroyed, while our traveler is sealed away in a sleep filled with endless nightmares, only to wake up 500 years later in a peaceful world. Those 500 years were the abyss siblings journey through teyvat with dain, gaining their original powers back and eventually becoming prince/princess of the abyss. And thats basically the vague timeline of the twins time in teyvat, just for anyone who wants to know. Obviously we know barely anything about them but this is what we know so far, feel free to add more details!

[@Lampent12]

The biggest thing I want to know right now is why did the Abyss Sib wait so long to wake the Traveler after touching down in Teyvat. The only thing that makes sense in my head is that they couldn't find them right away, but of course that just leads to more questions. 😵

[@arcanedarkling]

@@Lampent12 Or maybe they just didn't want their sibling to wake up grumpy and let them wake up on their own except they took too long (this is a joke obviously)

[@Lampent12]

@@arcanedarkling Heh, that'd definitely be my own brother, only I don't think even the destruction of Khanria would get him out of bed. 😅

[@Rozherhn]

no, the 2 woke up without much difference and neither of the 2 knew anyone from khaenri'ah, only that (in this case lumine) lumine made a trip 500 years ago where he did not meet the archons and saw the destruction and problems he had the archons with his nation, this added to the fact that he was traveling with dainslief who told him about the nations but speaking something bad about the archons in the end it is possible that he believed the words of the herald of the abyss, in order to fulfill part of the plan. I do think that Lumine doesn't know what the archons are like, nor does she know that she's really out there, just as the khaenri'ah think, unlike Aether who did meet the archons and ends up helping them and really knows what they really are. If I think it was all a plan or Celestia or Istaroth. To prevent something that is going to happen in the future and all these tragic events it was necessary to avoid that event that will put Teyvat in Jake.

[@captaindanger13]

i mean a lot of that is theory based on a bunch of scrambled info we have but yeah basically that's what people have been able to kinda figure out so far to the best of their abilities

[@deathwingthedestroyer3632]

What if the Traveler was actually wandering around during those 500 years. I also hope we get to visit the place where Aether and Lumine landed on Teyvat. I also do think that the Sustainer was going in with killing intent, why spare them when you haven’t spared the others?

[@lunasquib]

Isnt that the starfall place? :)

[@woodenmetal2977]

Well, it wouldn't really make sense to say that the Traveler was wandering for 500 years. This is because our adventures all seem very new to them. If you walked a world for five centuries, you would be extremely well-learned. You would have in-depth, if not at least very good, knowledge of just about everything. We wouldn't even need a guide, and yet we have Paimon.

[@joshuagonzalez2594]

@@woodenmetal2977 I don't think they slept for 500 years cause zhongli said he saw them depending on who you play with during or slightly after the archon war.

[@makaylakent1861]

@@woodenmetal2977 yeah but also venti says the whole we meet again and such it could be a possibility

[@captaindanger13]

@@joshuagonzalez2594 the archon war was 2000 years ago while the traveler got cubed 500 years ago

[@5tar_Is_ACE]

My only question lies with Venti's voice line and that fact also with the Genshin manga. Venti said, "Ah, Traveler, we meet again! What? You don't remember me?". In the manga, you can see Aether's body behind Venti. We can confirm that it's a couple of years after Vanessa went up to Celestia because in the manga Venti said (to the Aether) " She's still keeping watch over Mondstadt after all these years. Now I wonder if the world became a little bit stronger. She always hoped to see that" So somewhere the traveler woke up earlier but then somehow lost their memories once again? Also another thing to add is that Venti absolutely hates Celestia and refuses to go back up there.

[@DJ52908]

But maybe "all these years" to Venti is actually reallllly long?

[@5tar_Is_ACE]

@@DJ52908 yea but that is true

[@kotarouinugami1745]

@@DJ52908 Well, Venti is at least 2000 years old, possibly older, since he participated in Archon War. It is entirely possible that he's speaking that shortly after Traveller's revival. On the other hand, Vanessa lived about 1000 years ago (before the Cataclysm), so it's entirely possible he is speaking to the Sibling around the time of the Cataclysm.

[@Faiza_Yo.]

@@kotarouinugami1745 i thought vaanessa was a mere human? it sonds a lot saying she lived for maybe around 1000yrs

[@kotarouinugami1745]

@@Faiza_Yo.Yes, Vanessa was a human before she ascended. Then she ascended, and apparently she still lives and keeps watch over Mondstadt as some kind of supernatural being.

[@tiliaoliveri6066]

traveler's original swords looks cool. i hope they added it to the game later.

[@Antifinity]

I think three events occurred within a few months of each other that could all be traced to one source. 1. Paimon falls into a lake with no memories. 2. Aether awakens. 3. The Abyss and The Harbingers start making moves against the archons on a scale they haven't in 500 years. My thinking is that the harbingers, the abyss, both, or perhaps some as-of-yet unknown alien power recently defeated the Sustainer of Heavenly Principles. My guess is the Abyss, since it likely happened in or near Mondstadt. 1. The Sustainer survived the attack by turning into a memoryless tiny shade, like Greater Lord Rukkhadevata. This is Paimon. 2. The Sustainer's prisoner, Aether, is released. This might be why the Abyss was attacking in the first place, or she might have just released all her prisoners upon losing her powers. 3. The Sustainer would normally oversee any attempt to steal the divinity within the gnoses, but now that she is gone, the Harbingers can make their various moves. So I think that is the big twist that explains why everything is happening now. The Sustainer is already defeated, and likely all that is left of her is Paimon.

[@mayureshpatilindia7594]

what if paimon is just a seelie and isaroth made it so before the seelies were turned into current seelie she saved paimon just so she could make her meet traveller 500 years later for reasons unknown

[@manjunath414]

I find this theory really appealing, always felt weird that if celestia is so powerful and all seeing how come it is allowing abyss, archons and heck the trasitsa to do these things..

[@DrakeWurrum]

Paimon is not the Sustainer. Their aesthetics do not match. Sustainer did not have a crown, nor a cloak of stars, nor that symbol on Paimon's chest.

[@alkali0206]

@@DrakeWurrum The sustainer is a GOD, while Paimon is NOT A GOD. It is confirmed in Sumeru Archon Quest. Paimon got affected by the sound Dottore made.

[@DrakeWurrum]

@@alkali0206 - Yes, that as well is a dead giveaway. Irminsul's erasing of Rukkadehvata would not affect the Sustainer, either. But even before 3.2 it did not make sense, and their visual design is the only clue that we really needed.

[@jaxlone997]

2:10 that's also what I had in mind... "the threads of fate will be yours to reweave", I think Dain says a similar thing in the Travail video. Most people think "by default" that the twins will move on to another world after they've explored Teyvat, but before we need to find out whether they really came from another world in the first place... or was that world the ancient Teyvat.

[@itamochivargas6233]

Yo that's big brain. I haven't even considered that.

[@mecheel7635]

Yo imagine the travelers being time travelers. They come from the pre colonized tevyat to stop the "colonizers" (celestia).

[@ally7452]

The mushroom under the chasm also said the Traveler will change fate!

[@yuri590]

A detail that supports this is the prints on aether and lumines clothes, they are reminiscent of old civilizations and celestian patterns! Also lumines flower. It’s described to be grown in aether and lumines homeland but it’s also the national flower of khaenriah.

[@kisa4748]

Maybe it is similar to the reason the Traveler was able to find Ei and her puppet fighting again, the way they described it was like they were supposed to be there at the perfect moment or something

[@kaiser8773]

Plot Twist: He's just a very heavy sleeper

[@acewray4288]

i mean, paimon does lament that he wouldnt wake up early

[@stathisconstantinou]

@@acewray4288 LAMENT

[@johanliebert6625]

that is so boring dude💀

[@okastbloart8395]

For aesthetic purposes, the English version differs from the Chinese text. The original CN text: 维系者正在死去，创造者尚未到来。但世界不会再度灼烧，因为你将登上「神」之座。 Literal translation: The sustainer is passing away; the creator has not yet come. But the world shall burn no more, for you shall ascend to the seat of "the god."

[@justalittleme]

That changes SO MUCH bro

[@Shinteo5]

但世界不会再度灼烧 translate more accurately, I think, to "But the world shall not burn again" Thus making the reason why the world not burning, to you ascending to the seat of God, instead of implying that your ascension is the thing stopping the world from burning.

[@terminatorhd889]

@@Shinteo5 thank you both!!! this changes... everything lol. Is susty dying?! (The sustainer of heavenly principles)

[@randomdogem8]

SPOILER In 3.2 (Confrontation between Nahida and Dottore, he is demanding the gnoses or he will take it by force) "The Heavenly Principles have been dormant for many years now, and the gnoses are a symbol of their power/control of Teyvat, would the destruction of a gnosis be enough to get their attention?" And with that Dottore leaves knowing he's but-ucked if Celestia comes down. So take that for what you will, a lot of it is rough translations from chinese, and cannot be 100% verified.

[@vaskarghosh8543]

Makes sense sustainer is probably the one who is keeping the marana at bay but her powers are waning and marana is in the upsurge due to it . Traveller might be forced to take her charge in the end to save the lives in teyvat . All the actions of the sustainer of heavenly principles from destroying khanreiah to imprisoning twins is probably to withhold the balance we wouldn't realise it untill we kill her probably.

[@ithnanthemage_9477]

The real question is what the hell did traveler and paimon do for like a month before the story began!?

[@GolmDraws]

Well, she probably taught them the language?? I’m pretty sure that stated that in the beginning but I could be wrong?

[@xavi_]

try to survive and learn teyvat language

[@NightLancerX]

@@xavi_ on the shore? This entire time? Sleeping under the rain? Cool story bro.

[@TheXIIWizard]

Iirc, paimon got saved by the traveler and then right after our story began.

[@kotarouinugami1745]

@@NightLancerX I don't know about Paimon, but the Traveler apparently can even traverse the interstellar vacuum with no problems. Ordinary rain or cold aren't going to hurt them. And in reverse, the Traveler should be good at survival and camping, considering all the traveling they did. So they might build a lean-to when it's about to rain or something.

[@irumasuzuki725]

0:03 I think Paimon is the most mysterious one. She just came lut of the sea one day and started following us

[@MidoriGa95]

Didn't she lost her memories? So I guess after being rescued and didn't remember who she really was maybe Paimon felt it's safe to be with someone. Coincidentally, Traveler needed help in order to venture in Teyvat and Paimon claimed she's the best guide so yeah. They just stick together

[@jazz_intown4723]

I think it’s very interesting how Nahida said "if fate is the ultimate knowledge, then your future is the ultimate fate". Does it mean the traveler is somehow bound to Teyvat's fate? Maybe that’s also the reason Paimon acts as a guide and sometimes seems to "force" us into certain directions, aka trying to follow a "plotline" in order to keep Teyvat's future safe

[@sugawaraaa9167]

noo it means because irminsul cant read their fate because they are not from here so its ultimate because no on ecan see it

[@lnsflare1]

Regarding Paimon, someone I can't remember (Nahida?) mentioned that she *also* resonated with Dendro, which seems like something important to note. Edit: Yes, it was Nahida when they first met her.

[@indupadma5243]

What if traveler gets his elemental powers through paimon so she can be a catalyst of sorts

[@lnsflare1]

@@indupadma5243 That would fit one of Albedo's hypotheses about what Paimon is from the first Dragonspine event.

[@soumyanaik159]

@@lnsflare1 can you explain what Albedo said I can't remember the dialogue about Paimon

[@lnsflare1]

@@soumyanaik159 While trying to figure out how the Traveler manipulate elements without a Vision, he asks if they have any extra organs. When that answer was a negative, he then asks questions designed to determine whether or not Paimon is some sort of external organ that is invisibly connected to the Traveler. EDIT: It should also be noted that he pointed out that if that was the case, she should contain a *massive* amount of power.

[@herm4phrodit3]

I feel like Paimon may be connected to the traveler's powers since they didn't resonate with any element before Paimon joined them. I'd also like to mention that during the Inazuma archon quest, the traveler lost against Raiden in the plane of euthymia despite having the ability to control multiple elements at once. That may be connected to the fact that Paimon didn't get sucked into that realm, therefore the traveler became weaker. We were only able to defeat Raiden with Miko and the ambitions of the people on our side. The traveler has cleared multiple powerful challenges but only with the presence of Paimon. And since the abyss sibling has white colored lights on their clothes, that may indicate that they don't have a "catalyst" with them like Paimon, unlike our traveler. We perhaps met Paimon by coincidence or fate, but she most likely is created exclusively for the Traveler's use no matter where she is from. The video also theorizes that Paimon was once a powerful being, but she may have been nerfed down for our use for some reason nobody knows.

[@arthena2130]

Not sure if you have a video for this. But do you have a theory as to why the abyss traveler did not wake up their sibling sooner. Why did they wait all the way until kanri'ah was being destroyed to wake them up and why is the abyss sibling always hiding things. Feels like the abyss sibling does not want their sibling to truly know the something.

[@shansabosa9479]

It has something to do with what Asmoday did to the twins after she cubed them. There are no leads yet as to how they even got free from her.

[@WastedTalent83]

maybe they just couldn't, when you leave a story with so many holes, you can literally fill them, with whatever you wish at the right moment.

[@shansabosa9479]

@@WastedTalent83 Like I said, no leads yet. We can't assume what happened unless they give more lore about it. I've heard that the upcoming Genshin Anime will be a "prequel" of the current story of the game so maybe it'll cover the downfall of Khaenri'ah or something else. "Feels like the abyss sibling does not want their sibling to truly know the something." It sparked to me that it could be possible that learning forbidden knowledge will grant you access to abyssal magic. Only a few could be able to use it without getting hillichurlfied such as the twins, and possibly Dainsleif. Maybe that's the reason why abyss sibling doesn't want to tell the MC yet everything she knows, and patiently waits until the MC reaches the end of their journey.

[@azureddreams]

Probably the abyss twin did not know where the slumbering twin is located in the first place?

[@jayabratasengupta7242]

Maybe the twin didnt wake traveler because, she was connected with destruction. Lumine created a connection with destruction ever since she got cubed. since their twins they should normally be synced, or maybe the reason why lumine was connected with destruction because of the creatures, Lumine awoke about to wake aether until she met with an entity from kanri'ah , the entity had created a different mindset for lumine, Lumine decided to follow the entity and join the abyss and watch the downfall of kanri'ah, thats when lumine left aether, so maybe the question what or who was that entity?

[@witchcandy3671]

Altering the Fate of the world would be tricky if one were already a part of that Fate. However an entity outside of that Fate could alter said Fate just by being an unaccounted for variable. To keep things in balance 2 variables working on opposite sides of said Fate would pull the necessary threads together like 2 crochet needles. The twin Travelers would indeed be perfect for such a plan. By inserting them into the timeline at separate points would indeed produce 2 distinctly different points of view. This would not be possible if they had all the information already thus by separating them their very minds can be manipulated as the information is presented to them in a certain order. In the end they will both understand everything but from opposite points of view and as Twins they will then have the task of reconciling those different points of view into a new whole. Currently we know far too little about the abyssal sibling but the Traveler we play as is something of a custodian cleaning up the mess of each kingdom they pass through. 1) We restore the statues of the 7 Archons. 2) We remove corruption and purify it wherever we come across it. 3) We uncover and keep secret the ancient knowledge of the world while removing evidence of its existence. (Not just Enkanomiya, the Chasm, etc. But even the simple artifacts of old laying hidden in the ruins of the world) 4) We might even consider that the unlocking of Domains is a re-establishment and cleansing of the various leylines of the world. 5) The Traveler, in some cases, even helps the dead to move on. The real Irony is that the Traveler is not publicly known for many of theses deeds. Defeating Davalin and standing up to the Raiden Shogun almost seems paltry in comparison and yet many only know of the Traveler because of such deeds. Talk about living a double life.

[@WastedTalent83]

well it totally make sense to build a story about war, from 2 different prospective and mix them together in the end because they are siblings and probably just want to stay together again. Thing is, if its only them who knows, its kinda pointless because to make people understand the other side of the story would be impossible, as they didn't live it like you did. Meaning they would have to rule over the people and make laws that must be followed in order for peace to exist. But i think we're going way too much into theory, and probably the story will be completely different and more simple.

[@witchcandy3671]

@@WastedTalent83 Regarding this story about war from 2 different perspectives: What is the nature of this war? Is it Humans vs the God's? Is it Humans attempting to change there Fate? The mere mention of the Loom of Fate implies to me that people are trapped, possibly even the God's themselves to a Fate they cannot change. If you were to discover that Fate lead to an assured destruction of your people and your world what would you risk? Would you consider altering the very fabric of your being in order to alter your Fate? 1)Delusions 2)Abyssal corruption 3)Forbidden knowledge from beyond the world Seems to me there might be something to this theory worth considering. Perhaps an insight into the path of the abyssal sibling. Anyways, its been fun looking at the possibilities.

[@WastedTalent83]

@@witchcandy3671 well. not necessarily, humans always look for power and forbidden stuff, they dont really need a noble or serious reason to do that. meaning ,anything could be possible as long as mihoyoverse make it make sense. honestly I would love that we take all the archons we made friends and fight against the fake gods in celestia but that's just my wishful thinking XD

[@witchcandy3671]

@@WastedTalent83 Fair point, I'm quite sure there are plenty of opportunities to surprise us yet to come. My love of Genshin definitely lies on pulling on the threads of information we've been given and seeing just where we might go! Back when Inazuma was just being released I made a prediction that the Abyssal Order had been far too quiet and figured they would make some kind of move only to stumble across Enjou and be shockingly surprised at how much I enjoyed the character while being somewhat disappointed by his appearance in that it seemed quite low key compared with my expectations. Then again in the Chasm I had high hopes to come across a fortress of the Abyss Order only to be surprised again that it was not so. Yes they maintain a presence in Tehvat but they no longer seem as dire a threat as something like the Maranara poses. So it wouldn't be the first time I hyped a theory all out of proportion but again, that's part of the fun studying Genshin lore imo.

[@yvonne3745]

Interesting

[@Jesses001]

You know, we have a TON of story at this point, but there are still so many mysteries. The writing team, like most of the teams, are really top notch.

[@bunnyfuzzy7982]

Pretty sure they’ll put most of the past lore in the upcoming anime.

[@markvicferrer]

As the siblings are dimensional travellers with no ties to the world, I see the finale being that one decides to stay in Teyvat, perhaps usurping the Tsaritsa. And the other continues wandering, but still occasionally visiting Teyvat.

[@fitchlekvoda8721]

While I wonder why 500 years, my burning question is why was the Abyss twin released from their containment almost immediately after the capture of both of them? The Golden Nara in the stories of the Arana are almost certainly about the Abyss twin, and these take place in the events around and following the Khaenri-ah crisis. And if the Abyss twin was immediately free after the encounter with the Heavenly Principles, why did they not try to free the Traveler? This whole scenario makes it seems less like the Traveler was imprisoned, and more like they were a hostage. This has interesting implications, as it means that the Abyss twin was and still is acting under the Heavenly Principles instructions. That they have not sought out the Traveler now that they are free of their containment would indicate whatever threat the Traveler was under to get the Abyss twin's cooperation is still present (Paimon?). This is just my pet theory, though, with little to support it..... Except.... In the cutscene confronting Stormterror (Dvalin) on Starsnatch Cliff, when the Abyss mage says the line "The time has come for the dragon to serve it's true master...", the camera view has progressively rotated, so at that moment Celestia appears literally over the Abyss mage's shoulder. The symbolism here is clear, implying the power behind the Abyss mage, the dragon's true master.... is Celestia.

[@happyname6611]

it was said that he tried to wake up lumine but he couldn't, so after khaenria fell he ventured into a trip around whole teyvyat with deinsleif, just like traveller's doing rn

[@Aiveq]

its a cliche, watch enough asian media and it becomes simple. main sibling too stupid/weak so runaway-sibling leaves em to take burden of whatever alone. and he is... always swindled, always losing a fight. i cant name a single cutscene where traveler wins on his own, someone always saves a day or he gets slapped around

[@Mentleif]

The idea that everything is a part of Celestia’s plan makes me think of the Archon war. Hopefully the twins aren’t going to have to fight to the death for a conclusion

[@salems_lot]

That's gonna be really interesting imo tho haha. But, this comment does make me wonder how genshin's finale is gonna be like. We can't really have all of the Archons teaming up against Celestia if Tsaritsa does get all of their gnosis.

[@NightLancerX]

*Nier Automata flashbacks* T_T

[@SainInaban]

Paimon just like a sellie, Says pre determined words & intentions to a certainly determined path. I mean we have been doing stuffs for 2 years. and only some things are common here i.e. 01.Unlocking all Waypoints 02.Unlocked All statue of seven 03.Worship (collecting oculus) statue 04.Guiding Sellies to its location 05. Fixing different irumensul 06.Altering (fixing tyvet) By creating chaos ( not destruction but doing something that leads to a butterfly effect) aka fixing all 7 nations by changing story 07.Losing Genosis to fatui I think the 500 time difference is to do these important stuffs so that we might change something impossible in future.

[@SainInaban]

Btw here us a catch Note 😁: Some bird says to someone, if we destroy the 2 genosis, that may lead to awakening of the Celistia. So is Celistia in hybernation??

[@chercherri]

@@SainInaban huh thats interesting if celestia is in hibernation it would sort of make sense as we have yet to see much action by celestia in current time

[@Not_SARU]

im very inclined to believe that Nahida or also known as Lesser Lord Kusanali is amongst the more important pieces to resolving this dilemma since she barely has any erosion happening to her. Zhongli Ei and Venti are all from the original Archons having had multiple thousands of years of erosion behind them as well as bearing the events of the cataclysm on their shoulders when it comes to Venti and Zhongli

[@randomdogem8]

@Lavanya Singh Rukkadehavata was the tree and Nahida is a branch of said tree, same entity but different part if that makes sense, as it was confirmed by leakers that they are not the same entity but are related, but everything is subject to change so this could be wrong.

[@mekinot]

I wonder if losing her memories has cleared her from erosion (it would make sense). Otherwise, we'd have to wait until Fontaine to ACTUALLY meet a younger god (I hope).

[@mekinot]

@Lavanya Singh Have you played the latest archon quest?

[@mekinot]

@@randomdogem8 the latest (reliable) leaks I've seen with regards to her story is what we've seen in the archon quest, that Rukkhadevata became small/took the form of a child when she used too much power and lost her memories. It was also pretty foreshadowed with the aranara quest line, since they go through the same process (losing their memories) when they use too much power, and they're the dendro archon's familiars.

[@angela.luntian]

Her forgetting crucial archon memories might have actually shielded her from erosion in that 500 years.

[@JustCalMeFrank]

What do you think they dreamed about? Their old home getting destroyed? Their sibling getting taken away? Or maybe even the future troubles maybe the god of time had something to do with their nightmares

[@pokulock]

There's old cbt version opening scene going around in here, and it showed our 500yrs sleep is full of nightmare, we dreamed that our sibling is chained & impaled somewhere

[@Ayoryn]

If you go to the travelers voice lines in the character section, traveler shares with paimon some of the nightmares she had. I'm assuming this was when she was asleep for so long.

[@ChangedNames]

My favorite outlook of genshin as a whole is that if teyvat was truly one world out of countless others all from the tree from honkai then that means all of the headache, emotions, pain, suffering and history is but a fraction of what the tree holds let alone the world outside it.

[@goldenarrow7134]

What if it is deliberate. Travellers have travelled countless worlds and have seen the birth and death of stars. It is possible Lumine role is akin to that of a scout, mingling with the denizens and learning about them, and the twins sharing a connection, so the other sibling learns. Basically they could have also alternated this, on one aether awakens first and on other Lumine awakens first. That's my theory on this tbh, as we have found aether knows more than what he lets on, he knows about the abyss, the fall of khaenriah, being there specifically, and who knows? Maybe the forbidden knowledge deshret got was from Lumine?

[@jsw973]

@Harry Shade Is there anything that says Deshret dies thousands of years ago? Of course, besides npc or characters that wouldn't know the truth. I'm genuinely curious why everyone thinks the scarlet king incident can't happen 500 years ago. That's still pretty ancient for the people of teyvat.

[@goldenarrow7134]

@@jsw973 Zhongli has been alive for 6000+ years. Rukhadevata and Deshret were there when Al khayum (city of the moon) was founded and destroyed 9000+ years ago. These people can live for so long, why can't they live another 1500 years and die about just 500 years ago in-game? We don't know the Raiden twins age, rukhadevata is positively old af, venti first mention is during the era of the siege of old mondstadt, but he could have been around far earlier than that if we think about thousand winds. We as a community have developed pre established facts which when refuted or when something new appears to add or remove something from that facts immediately gets shot down as false or forbidden knowledge like we players and the community are Celestia and we are dropping nails on anyone who even dare thinks otherwise other than preestablished facts Hell I think rukhadevata could be infact one of the four shades and specifically the shade of life.

[@yours_truly_elainasy]

Yeah the traveler is sus too they know what paimon is but keep it a secret and choose not to talk about it I mean traveler is really smart according to Albedo, Miko and Yelan it's very confusing why they would believe paimon is just paimon? and they choose to observe paimon for a little while and according to npc's and characters met they don't know what paimon is or where she came from so traveler definitely know something

[@captaindanger13]

@@jsw973 didn't the cutscene say that it happened 1000 years ago

[@abelingaw5070]

@@goldenarrow7134 Zhongli being 6000+ years old is a misconception. It was 6000+ years since he arrived in Teyvat, so he could be older, 10k years or more.

[@yannlee7821]

I just realize something. The Unknown God knows the language of the Traveler. Paimon teaches the Traveler the language of Teyvat, so the language that the Unknown god is taking in shouldn't be the language of Teyvat since at that time the traveler doesn't know that language. BUUUTTTT. If Lumine was the Abyss sibling, she would know. And she was the only one who talked where the Unknown god responded.

[@Miya-b1i]

Daamn i never thought it that way

[@latioshunter]

Perhaps they were kept around to be twisted and molded into machines meant to wipe out the old order? Yes, this does mean you also overthrow Celestia and establish themselves as rulers. Give them a reason to not leave...by weakening them, forcing them to fight, to grow, to know this world and to love it... to not have a reason to leave.

[@vision1282]

Here is my take on why 500 years to wake up: 1) The traveler admits some type of seal was put on to him and he cannot use his original powers. So I believe 500 years of sleep must be reaction of such seal on him. Or, 2) After the fight with sustainer his power got sucked and then sealed. I believe during this fight he lost his strength and took 500 years to wake up. Maybe his body is trying to recover his strength. And is still weak. Remember with every .0 update he is buffed. I believe when he gets the last cryo archon's power the seal will break. But that's just a theory. Game Theo....!

[@offlinet-rex8947]

My take is that the place where they fight the sustainer has a different time flow when lumine was sealed first for her that took 500 years before aether woke up but for aether it just took like minutes since he remember the fight like it was yesterday while lumine remembers when abyss mention her brother in the trailer

[@iwanttosleep4506]

I just noticed that at 1:25 Aether summons his sword with his left hand before tossing it to his right hand. Does that mean theoretically Aether can also use his left hand? He could be right handed but trained to use his left hand while Lumine is true ambidextrous. I mean why summon the sword with his left if he gonna just toss it to his right in a potentially dangerous fight?

[@captaindanger13]

I guess but Aether always uses his right hand when casting abilities so idk

[@Tsukimono.]

He is nor ambidextrous, probably. Everyone can be ambidextrous with training tho

[@DivRaj_120]

Style points ma man style points

[@jazzford]

i don’t know if the traveler will be on celestia level of godliness but they’re definitely a god in some sense, them and the archons are the only characters to have people in their constellations which is i’m positive is on purpose

[@jpa_crypto]

Aether is harem god.

[@emivoters]

500 Years to

[@8.Vivid.8]

yes

[@shizukato4026]

I think the Traveler definitely has role to play for Teyvat. As if they were following a predestined path made especially for them. In Sumeru during the Archon quest where you meet the little girl who make predictions and you ask her about your loves, she seems confused and says something like "it's impossible ... why are there so many people ?". It's like if the Traveler needed to meet specific people, as if it was a scenario. The theory about the twins replacing Celestia is actually very likely to happen since in the end of the teaser of the whole storyline, Dainslef says "The threads of all fates will be yours to reweave" just like if the Traveler will have all powers over Teyvat and what will happen. For the identity of "The Keeper", it's not very clear in English but in French, they don't talk about the Keeper but use the French equivalent for "The Sustainer of Heavenly Principles", exactly the same title as in the intro cutscene so it might be a mistranslation but maybe not ! Also, the fact that the Travelers are able to us every element without a vision seems very weird. I mean, if they're not from this world, why would they be able to resonate with the fundamental energies of Teyvat ? I think it may has something to do with the Sustainer, maybe she did something for the Traveler to be able to do that, it's as if they were a living vision that would be capable of filling itself with any element whenever they want to. An other thing is it is very frustrating that the Traveler hides informations from the player. They know what is this place that we can see on the loading screen and how to access it but we have literally 0 information about it. And since we know the gods of Teyvat are not from this world, maybe the reason why the twins were in Teyvat in the first place, was to "decolonize" Teyvat and beating their ass up to the colonizer gods. Maybe, they are some sort of cosmic harbingers who are there to preserve the balance of the universe (I may have gone too far on this one but it would be so cool !)

[@ShiroTeri]

I think everyone is a pawn in Istaroth plan of revenge against Celestial, she helped Makoto, and she turn herself in Paimon or Paimon is her shade to guide Traveler and she keep Traveler in stasis to awaken in the most critical moment.

[@obrians-brown1307]

kinda like the raiden quest with the time distortion placing the traveller 500 years in the future to witness the final battle between Ei and RS

[@akido4361]

I have an theory that the three Paimon and the twins are connected in some way, maybe being three different parts of the Primordial one, like what happened with Nahida or Guoba but in three parts I made this theory because of how the three, Paimon and the twins, have similar clothes, Aether is gold, Lumine is more white with her hair and clothes, and Paimon haves full white hair, and Paimon Symbol in her clothes haves a circle in the center, like a "three intites that are connected" and then a circle in the center like if it was the one who is connected to this other three We know that Genshin mostly base in other cultures and religions, and it could be that the twins and paimon are based in the Holy Trinity, that there are three separated entities but they all are connected to one person The Primordial one created Teyvat but that doesn't mean that he is from Teyvat, so my theory is that the twins and Paimon are three different parts of the Primordial One in a little more info, the particles that looks like constellations that the twins make in one of their animations and Paimon when it fly it makes it too, so they at least are totally related in some way

[@alexfirth21]

Yeah that’s a good guess, I thought similar as well. It just makes sense. Besides Paimon can fly, so can the the twins (at full strength).

[@Aiveq]

Paimon symbols refers to Mora(money). more interesting is elongated primogem symbol on her head just like celestial had. Dvalin has same symbols too and Aether has primogem on his belt

[@lonelywolf6180]

Perhaps the Unknown God is like Eren knowing the future and acting accordingly as the villain of the Travelers to make them travel nation after nation making changes.

[@Force-Multiplier]

I recently found your channel and it's helping me understand Genshin much better thank you this place is a good place that's about Genshin and feels refreshingly far away from all the monetization and pulls hell that the game has players go through

[@urutheninth414]

8:34 It is the Sustainer. The Japanese translation for that particular text refers to the 'keeper' as 'Chouteisha'. The Sustainer's full title in Japanese is 'Tenri no Chouteisha'. Dainsleif is the Bough Keeper, but his title in Japanese is 'The intersection of the past and the future'. Admittedly Japanese is not the main language of this game, but the Japanese localization had been quite faithful to the original Chinese. If it turns out Dainsleif was one of Isharoth's shades tho, how would that play out I wonder.

[@maalikserebryakov]

Japanese is not the game’s original language

[@urutheninth414]

@@maalikserebryakov kanji is literally chinese characters, might be different languages but the way they use the characters are similar. don't worry though, i checked the original one and they're similar.

[@ninnies9753]

I've had this thought for a while about paimon being istaroth. First off (we) traveler are able to manipulate time and like why would that be part of paimons options in the first place. Unless ofcourse she could be a lesser form of istaroth. God of time....And being able to fly. If we look at the statue in inazuma it is portrayed that istaroth has wings. And we've only seen very little characters npc who has that ability.

[@ninnies9753]

And isn't venti a piece of istaroth?She is the controller of time and wind. Which could be why traveler found her in mondstat.

[@sanstheanimator1964]

From what the aranara said "someone loses their memory and forgets about the incredible powers they had. When they remember, they become invincible again" I think the aranara was referring to the dendro archon being reborn So in the future Nahida might be able to remember her past deeds as the original archon and become as powerful as she was before

[@rainx1869]

Bet Aether and Lumine were originally from Teyvat since after going back to Teyvat from the serenitea pot, it says smth along the lines of "returning to your home world"

[@user28397v]

i can’t believe it took the traveler 500 years to

[@hdhlhg]

Venti, ur so drunk you couldn't even finish your sentence

[@pippo264]

So true bestie they're literally

[@nutmegonastack]

I know right! I can’t believe they

[@jonathanwilson5355]

Fr tho! I can’t believe that-

[@harorudo0816]

E

[@_Thorondor]

My main question: how is it that the Traveler is fishing Paimon out of the water but then has to go through a few weeks of content before unlocking fishing again?

[@StoryLover-7]

I asked myself this too, when I got the information that we are going to be able to fish in-game. X"D

[@salttenno3878]

I think both travellers arrived at the present day but when they leave the gods mistake that they are 2 human steal the light element from Teyvat which weaken it. The god send 1 back in time where the chaos element erupt (kanrea) in hope that the light and chaos cancelled each other while left 1 in the present for back up.

[@eniaeliza1844]

omg whaaaa??1?1 it took 500 years for the traveler to ??

[@LemonKookys]

Gotta appreciate how much effort is put into these theories

[@hirods9889]

Really interesting idea, if I may had something (I will spoil Shin Megami Tensei 5 a little here) The part about the first and second throne remind me of the end of SMT5 (SPOIL AHEAD) were you have to fight to take god's throne because the world is about to collapse. So i'm thinking what if the first throne didn't take down the 2nd and instead they kill each other (that or the supreme authority of teyvat die during the cataclysm) , and now to keep teyvat from collapsing a new "outside being" has to take the throne that why the unknow god appear out of nowhere as a mean of extreme urgency (like a program )to keep the potentiel candidates to leave the game. And the unknow god act as an arbitrator who place the 'competitors' (the travelers) and by making them experience different sides of Teyvat want to see which vision will be worthy of taking the throne. yeah farfetch but this whole throne stuff make me think of that

[@offlinet-rex8947]

A nice idea!! They were put in different timelines to test them. Both helped the people of teyvat and both see the beauty and destruction of it yet both seem to have different views. They were there to be the balance in teyvat, like yin and yang if there is good then there is bad. Maybe the abyss twin was meant to be with the abyss, to find the filth of the world, while the other purifies it.

[@hirods9889]

@@offlinet-rex8947 Interesting idea, I still have some ideas to my theory but I did not think of it that way

[@offlinet-rex8947]

@@hirods9889 my other theory is that the traveller will be a record for everything that will happen in teyvat since zhongli said that traveller will surpass him in lifespan so traveller will carry the history and memories of teyvat for when they leave it for good

[@hirods9889]

@@offlinet-rex8947 yeah i remember that discussion. Also about the 500 years cut, I think that when the unknow god try to capture the traveler (the character you choose) he obviously try to resist the spell and so the god goes a little to hard and that putt him in a kind of sleep maybe ? After seing that the sustainer mess up a bit istaroth (in this case she wanted to see if the traveler could be the new Authority) dicided to use all her power to buy Teyvat some Time and became paimon, even if she forgot her true goal, her will to 'help' the traveler still reside in her. How did they miraculously met 500 years later ? Well either luck or a bit of help from the unknow god who I assume have space control power

[@yvetteishere8250]

i mean.... imagine travelling through world by worlds.....i'd be sleeping for that long too

[@Rozherhn]

I have always thought that the ace up Celestia's sleeve has been the 2 twins, the first set him free exactly at the time and place to join the abyss and the other to help the archons, although it is still difficult to know the truth. reason that put the twin with the abyss, the second is very clear, which is to help the archons with their problems so that they prepare and not repeat the mistake of the last time. I still don't know why the twin will help the archons, since the only thing that is known is that the order will start the war again. but there is something clear Dainslief will turn against us.

[@ioodk4779]

Your vids are awesome I enjoy them a lot. especially the theories. underrated

[@reaper-ev1ll]

Imagine at the end of our journey we meet lummine and the game resets and starts again from lummines perspective we get to see her side of story . Nah im just high 🗿

[@NdnRevenge]

Wow the way u broke this down was on point. Better than any other video I've seen so far

[@BlazeOfDisaster]

Good content. My theory is, The Sustainer summoned the twins to stop the archon war (or some other calamity). She sends one first in case something might happen. Then after one twin knows the truth.. you know, You either die a hero or live long to become the villain stuff, it just added fuel to the fire. So she sends/wakes up the other twin after 500 years just to finish what the other should have done.

[@tigerthebest96]

Why did the Sibling let the Traveler sleep when they arrived? The sibling spent enought time in Teyvat to grow closer to the civilization of Khaenri'ah, while the Travel got glimpse of the civilization while trying to flee from the world. The more I think about it, the more I think the Traveler is still withhelding informations or twisting the narrative a little bit. Remember even Paimon did not know the Traveler saw Khaenri'ah. Where did they land the first time? Where did the Traveler wake up? It sure isn't the beach at the start of the game, because where paimon was fished up doesn't match with the beach. What did the Traveler do for the 2 months prior to fishing up Paimon? What happened to their own world, for how much time have they been traveling and who sent them to Teyvat? And many more... honestly the Traveler is the most interesting character in the game, in a sense that we know practically little to nothing about them, and yet we are still playing as them (or controlling them, whichever you prefer)

[@timoyr2954]

I didn't really think about it much even after Zhongli said what he said, but it is super interesting that the Siblings might be the only beings in Teyvat who are not bound by the Heavenly Principles ("aging" or erosion being one that they do not experience) I'll just accept it as anime logic, but it is weird that the Twins aren't gigabrains. They can remember their childhoods, but have also visited countless worlds. You'd think they'd be near-omniscient. Though could also be that they have to basically do what FuHua does in Honkai Impact (she hasn't lived very long, but she has literally perfect memory, so in essence it's the same thing) and reset their memory every once in a while. But that's just me nitpicking.

[@WastedTalent83]

i want to know only 2 things about travelers. 1 why they don't age... 2 how can they travel through space, what kind of power to they have? and why are they considered humans and not gods with those powers. (its more than 2 i know XD)

[@bluestrider2562]

I've been thinking about it. And, do you ever wonder why the MC is keeping things from the audience, like during the "We will be Reunited" chats with Dainsleif? The Traveler obviously knows more than they are revealing. But why do this from a storytelling pov? Why would Hoyo do this? The obvious reason would be spoilers would detract from the tension/suspense of the mystery. So it can be a couple of reasons why: 1.) The Traveler knows, and the truth is pretty simple and straightforward when the information is revealed. 2.) Or the one i lean toward is; The Traveler does know but the revelation will be better suited to a tragic backstory because what the Traveler knows is everything about his journey EXCEPT for a period of time where their memories have been taken/altered. But the Traveler is aware that they are missing time/memories but can't tell the audience for obvious spoilers and dramatic Impact. It's been hinted that the siblings have forgotten some things just by reading the Wings of Descension (if it's about the Traveler?). I don't think the Traveler was just asleep, I think that it's possible that one or both of the sibling have memories stolen from them. I think as the Abyss sibling, Lumine in my case, got her memories back at some point in her travels but may be missing one or two and thus why she has been led down a dark path, due to perhaps a misconception. I actually think its also possible Aether, traveler, could have also been experimented on in captivity thus explaining why Albedo a "failed" experiment resembles Aether. Thus, why Aether isn't even telling the audience what he does and doesn't know, so it can have more dramatic shock value. Those are just two off the cuff. But i'm sure their could be another reason why the Traveler isnt openly revealing to the audience. Whats the proof? So far in the story/lore, we KNOW that when someone overuse's their power they either weaken by falling into slumbering and reawakening OR losing power/memories. Aether, the Traveler, shows BOTH of these. In his character story, it says "Reawakening", and while he doesn't share all his knowledge with the audience about what he knows or doesn't, we can see his power is slowly returning as he attunes to the elements during his travels. Thus Lumine, Abyss sibling, tells him to journey thru the world. So Aether can not only see what's going on with his own eyes but recover his power and or memories. Edit: Also to the dialogue from their encounter Lumine says along the line "we've always had enough time". This along with how characters such as Zhongli and Ei tell their stories to Aether to ALWAYS remember means that the siblings don't have the issue of erosion or losing memories adds support that Aether shouldn't have problems with remembering. Even though what we are told is vague because once it's known he is missing memories the conclusion becomes obvious that he was tampered with.

[@chazy123]

"thus explaining why Albedo a "failed" experiment resembles Aether" If I'm not mistaken, canonically, any of the siblings can be the traveler, Aether is just used to portray the traveler in trailers and other videos. About that last part, traveler could simply have been in a coma for all that time and as far as we know the abyss sibling (or someone else) simply tampered with Irminsul's databank. Up until now (3.2), whenever time changed or history was rewritten, the traveler has either known or been shown, so I find it hard to believe for either of the siblings to have missing or tampered memories, even though it's still possible, only time will tell. But it's been confirmed that the traveler (and presumably their abyss sibling too) is immune to, at least, history rewrite and I'm pretty sure they would've noticed the inazuma tree suddenly appearing out of nowhere if they would've been there, unlike everyone else including ei who didn't notice and same as the sumeru people including kusalani forgetting about rukkhadevata. We still lack information.

[@Mysdia]

"possible that one or both of the sibling have memories stolen from them." Or possibly Sacrificed to help a friend - the story already has self-sacrifices as a repeated theme; memories alone seem to have a large amount power in the world thanks to the power of dreams that COULD potentially encompass the whole of Teyvat; the Whole world as a dream world within a 500-year repeating Samsara, and there is a precedent already in the Aranara giving up memories in order to extract power.

[@jarvis9263]

your style of talking made me your new sub... so i'll binge watch all your 300 videos

[@CosmicDuskWolf]

Missing event's can really cause you to miss lore in Genshin.

[@van707]

I also take 500 years to wake up, especially on monday

[@avrenimneuc765]

It doesn't seem like killing is an option for Teyvat/Celestia's gods, because it's been proven that killing gods results in increased damage and corruption to Teyvat's Leylines. In that sense, the Sustainer probably sealed the sibling as a long term solution. The Traveler waking up, or even the sibling, was either unintentional on Celestia's part, or only happened once Celestia saw a use for them.

[@Nobara_gotshot47]

Paimon:hElPp I’m DRownIng Traveler: gimme five more minutes 👹

[@Emuril9]

So u know who els can control elements without vision? The knights in the chasm and give the same glow the MC dose in any cutscenes when they do use elements. And it’s so strange and I can’t find any explanation for that

[@Metzelbarsch28]

I don't think we can confirm that the second throne was defeated. The only witnesses of the war, the enkanomians, did not see the end of the war, as they were buried during the conflict. I think there a few hints that the second throne won even. First is that things changed after the war. During phanes time the people were taken care of very directly. Nowadays that doesn't seem to be the case. Phanes and their shades cared a lot about their people, while after the war, people were starving, flooding and getting destroyed by angry gods and nails.

[@charmbitten6878]

it's because traveler's alarm didn't turn on

[@eipampam857]

The main content I click and like before I watch: Traveller

[@vanilla6326]

I feel like Celestia no longer functions as one unit, you can see that not only did the twins do substantial damage to the infrastructure of Celestia, the thing is shattered, but the sustainer is the only celestial official we meet. The fact that you can find celestial pillars in dragonspine and the chasm but Celestia hasn’t bothered to retrieve them suggests that they can’t either by being too weak or there’s no one there who cares to maintain it. If I had to guess, I’d say that what remains of Celestia or at least what controls it doesn’t have Teyvat’s best interests in mind. Possibly even having the same outlook as the Tsaritsa as the ends justifying the means which is why the traveler continues to interfere. Any entity as powerful as the traveler wouldn’t have just stayed knocked out, releasing them separately may have been a deliberate ploy to not only conserve energy from having to keep them down but also so that they develop different views and take each other out. Just my two cents of course

[@coat7413]

Oh boy, just finished the 3.2 archon quest… wait until they find out about that.

[@perfectgamerkitty4717]

My thoughts are that only one of the siblings was to help Teyvat, which is the Abyss sibling. But they sided with Khaenri'ah and the Abyss, and started fighting for a future where the Abyss would supposedly rule. They also got a traveling partner, Dain, who was also from Khaenri'ah. He didn't think it right to help the creatures of the Abyss take revenge on the gods, and so went against the Abyss sibling, who, after the destruction of Khaenri'ah, wanted revenge. Now Celestia thought that it was necessary to awaken the other sibling, the Traveler, in order to help the gods and create a new world in favor of them. The Traveler got Paimon as their traveling partner. She guided them through the nations, and leading them to assist the nations as well. Since the Traveler did not experience the fall of Khaenri'ah, they, like all the people of Teyvat, believed the Abyss to be evil, and sided with the Gods to help their nations and destroy the Abyss and the Fatui. Currently, because of the Abyss sibling, the 'ideal' new world is being opposed by the Abyss, and the Traveler is fighting to stop the Abyss. The Abyss was never supposed to grow so powerful, as the Traveler's sibling, who awakened first, was supposed to help the gods. But because of their decision to help the Abyss, we arrive at the current state of the siblings. Thanks for reading this excessively long paragraph, I know this barely makes any sense lol

[@nahianchoudhury8523]

Your voice is really nice to hear. Its really soothing.

[@chriswinfrey3744]

Alright here me out. I personally suspect the Traveler took 500 years to wake up because something happened that caused the Sustainer to lose all her power. It makes no sense to just suddenly be dropped off 500 years later after our sibling was sent down alongside our own weapon as a threat to them. Something happened that caused the sustainer to shrink into Paimon. These are key notes that cause me to suspect as much. 1: Paimon never denies she herself is a god but has no memories and no power. * We have encountered 2 Gods who suffered similar fates, one who still very much HAS power but not as much as she originally had. 2: We find Paimon by fishing her out of the water some time after we wake up. This could literally mean anything but this is here for context. 3: If something happened to the Sustainer's power as she still had us in her grasp... it could very well explain why WE were powerless when we woke up. Us being powerless fishing out a Powerless drained God out of the ocean. 4: It is also worth noting that the focus of the story is to FIND said Sustainer as well as our sibling. One has shown activity, the other has shown absolutely none despite the craziness. A part of me thinks it has something to do with the upside down statue... another part of me thinks something happened to the one in charge of the Sustainer. Either way it is also a fact that our sibling, although happy to see us was NOT SURPRISED we were up and about. This leads me to thinking whatever it was, the Abyss may have had a hand in. Now if we look squarely AT PAIMON... she has no stars in the sky to receive a reading from Mona... and nobody seems to question the Floating Fairy's existence. Despite having no memory, she knows Teyvat. And on an off note, Paimon looks like a baby version of Kiana from Honkai... while the Sustainer looks like the Herrscher of the Void. Simply put too many things are adding up for Paimon NOT to be the Sustainer and the whole 500 years thing seems to be as long as it took for someone to "free" us. That said I do not believe the Sustainer is evil. Paimon was attached to us from the moment we rescued her so maybe she wasn't the only one who lost her memory...?

[@chriswinfrey3744]

Just so we're clear I'm on the "Paimon is best travel guide" side. If anything happens to this little floating jelly bean of joy I will merc everyone in the room then merc myself. :(

[@randomdogem8]

(SPOILER) LEAKED VOICE LINE FROM NAHIDA Rough translations from chinese As Nahida is in a confrontation with Dottore, he demands the gnoses, however she says that "The heavenly principles have been dormant/sleeping for very long now (explains why Tsaritsa is planning her rebellion now) and that the gnoses are a sign of/an assertion of their power and control over Teyvat. But would the destruction of a gnosis be enough to get their attention?" So essentially Celestia is dormant, and that explains how Tsaritsa is able to do all her shenanigans without getting a nail as a present from Celestia. Another voice line (cannot be verified 100%) is that Rukkadehavata did not go Khaenri'ah. Will update this comment for accuracy when needed.

[@chriswinfrey3744]

@@randomdogem8 Very interesting... Thank you for this!!

[@randomdogem8]

@@chriswinfrey3744 I also want to point out that even the archons as we know it arent even on the level of celestial gods themselves. One reason I can think of for why the twins weren't killed is similar to that of Zhongli and the ancient vortex god, for example the god of salt, despite being weak, was still a god, and being killed her power unleashed turning everything near into salt. Imagine Zhongli being killed. That's 20% of Liyue gone at the very minimum. What about the traveler? The traveler is said to be mortal, but being hundreds if not thousands of years old they must have some sort of power.

[@chriswinfrey3744]

@@randomdogem8 Are we... doing the Sustainer's job whilst she is powerless? If she is the bringer of balance and the protector of the Heavenly Principles... Everything we've been doing is something she would have taken care of were she capable of doing so. Now THERE is an interesting theory. Traveler being groomed into a new Sustainer. 🤔 As for why we weren't killed... I don't think that was even the Sustainer's goal. I found some tid bits and lore suggesting our twin was sent down right away to bare witness to the destruction of Khanri'ah and down with them went our weapon. 500 years passed and the Abyss only truly started acting in earnest when they didn't fear the Sustainer's wrath. Also take into account when our Abyss sibling saw us they weren't surprised we were free... You could say they were happy we were free... however they were also possibly happy that now they could go through with their plans in earnest knowing the Sustainer was out of the picture. So our imprisonment served to keep our twin in line. If they acted out in any way, they had us as a hostage which sounds pretty dirty... However after seeing what the Abyss does... there is WAY more to what went on then what we saw... That said the reason why I think we are being groomed into the new Sustainer is... we brought balance to 3 nations already. If the story continues like this we will also fulfill curing Urminsul saving Collei in the process. We also have a purifying aura that fights off Abyssal corruption... and we've been undoing much of the damage caused BY the abyss as we travel. It's also worthy of note that character's like Xiao are drawn to our Traveler simply due his/her aura that alleviates his suffering. There is a lot to think about as to what is beneath the surface of the game's story. XD

[@Mizu-Takasuuu]

I think in the place they were when they were fighting the unknown god, the time was accelerated so it didn’t match up with normal universes. Example: 1 second in that universe equals 10 years in teyvat. (Just an example) this could mean that the fact we were sent to teyvat seconds later and still ended up 500 years later means this theory is correct Or We slept for 500 years and the sleep took away our powers, look at lumine who ran in the cutscene when she was in khaenri’ah when she got teleported to teyvat, she sitll had her white glow aka her light powers, bc she still had her sword when she got tpd, we didn’t and we slept for so long meaning teyvat could’ve drained our power or somehow corrosion took part in our body. Maybe even paimon took it from us before we met her

[@mmdanimator2972]

kinda like when Childe fell into the Abyss. he was there for 3 months but when he returned to the human realm he was only gone for 3 days

[@RipVonGraves]

This is my favorite theory so far

[@Makingthemarks]

Traveler is basically me every morning expect for one morning, they missed their alarm

[@whisper3856]

here before the error gets fixed!! :)

[@EpsilonMono]

Did anyone notice Lumine in the cutscene where she was watching Aether that she still had her original powers? White was the default ability, black was sealed and lumine's colored thing was white.

[@sheldome]

The traveller was sent to the future by sustainer and she drained him when she transfered him there. I dont think he slept long just like his sister. Its just that he was shuttled 500yrs into the future.

[@jpa_crypto]

I might have seen a fan video about how the Sustainer drained the Traveler.

[@tyx8898]

Some of the animations and cutscenes you have makes me wonder why I’ve never came across them… such as lumine watching wether and paimon fight and then running away with a ruin guard when they look up

[@mhgb1333]

I headcanon that the Travelers are _eons_ old, descendants of a long-living mystical magical being perhaps. They have lots of stamina (adventuring and farming with no rest 24/7 unless story mode), can adapt quickly (moreso to Lumine in elements based by animation, but to both of them in quickly learning the language of the locals to the point they sound like ones, if the people who differentiates them only by clothes are any indication), and keep the pretty youth looks for your chosen traveller to sleep for half a decade. And it's simply funny to think that they are older than the Archons, and disinterests me from shipping. Not that I don't like shipping, I understand some people like it, but this is a headcanon/AU that focuses and glorifies the fact that the twins are mysterious and old in our human standards.

[@Roanak572]

I dont understand why no book and scripture tells about the Traveller, like there could be a book in that Enkanomiya Library in which it says that there was a God travelling from world to world but lost their power because they weren't trying to kill the sustainer but the Sustainer got them trapped, if this was written somewhere then it will be so good, like imagine after Sneznaya we go back again to Enkanomiya for clues and we stumble upon one such book including info about traveller and the Primordial One

[@josephparker3235]

You killed this!!! ❤❤❤ I love your videos

[@dove6686]

Traveler was just tired

[@_kryspy_9876]

The dragon spine OST as background music, love it

[@ThoseFerrets]

500 years to

[@Moonmoon-ws6jo]

I thought about this, and sometimes think about the intro of the game when it was on beta testing. It could explain some things about the traveller but its just small thing

[@crewonkumireiship8751]

8:05 Here can be a slight translation issue. A literal translation would be 'The Sustainer is dying; the Creator has not yet come. But the world shall not burn once again, because you are ascending to the throne of 「God」.' Yeah, the word god is specifically emphasised.

[@hirods9889]

That seen to add up with my little theory xD

[@guibragatto]

"the keeper is fading away", isn't dainsleif the Bough Keeper? and didnt he mentioned in the travail about his memory fading?

[@rootiyk5032]

Seriously though. Why did it take them so long to [Genshin Impact Lore Discussion]?

[@emivoters]

LMAO I CRACKED

[@Ososkkisksksmssmsmssmssms]

Me when

[@chercherri]

IM 😭😭😭

[@Diaten021]

I wonder why they moved the time of the Cataclysm from 100 years ago in early Betas to 500 years ago in the release version (you can still find mentions of "one hundred years ago" in the "Breeze Amidst the Forest" books). And how it affected the timeline and quests. We still don't know much about characters in Mondstadt, while they were probably originally designed with the "100 years ago" plan in mind. All these "Amber's grandfather", "Kaeya's family" and stuff. New Mondstadt updates when, Hoyo?

[@baines803]

The traveler was really sleepy

[@jardejay8804]

Ok dunno why this thought popped into my head. But ima blurt it out. 'home is where we are together.' At the end of the game. Imagine if the twins fuse together becoming this new God/new entity. Perhaps Celestia's separation of the twins is because they know very well that they are two parts of one much stronger God, a God from another world. The travellers may not know they are meant to be one being until the very end.

[@gianmarcote]

Imagine if at the end, the traveller never awoke and everything was just a dream.

[@cosmadrago]

Contracts do heavily influence Liyue, as there is a God of Contracts himself... I REALLY love your idea of a "third throne" and this could be contracts between the Sustainer of Heavenly Principles relating to the archons letting the Traveler stay... Sounds kind of stupid though. 🌠