Why did the Vigil-class BREAK Kuat Conventions? COMPLETE Breakdown

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[@pyeitme508]

Much

[@merkarion7883]

The Picture at 08:30 has two Bellator in it 😉 (one on the Front and from the other you see mostly the Back and the Engines which are offline)

[@dragonblaster-vu8wz]

Honestly, this feels more like a frigate than a corvette. Especially when you compare it to the Raider-class corvette. Still a neat ship that could be used as a step in the chain until one reaches the honor of commanding a Star Destroyer

[@jayburn00]

These days, irl, frigates and corvettes are very similar in size and armament, although there are some frigate classes that are significantly larger. A good example of a corvette that is smaller is the one used by Norway. A good example of frigates and corvettes being similar is the sa'ar classes (line of French warships), some being called corvettes and others being called frigates I think. Back in the age of sail however, corvettes were always significantly smaller than frigates, with frigates typically being second in size only to ships of the line (man of wars). Back then, frigates were closer in role to WW2 cruisers.

[@mingon_852]

I mean in SW, ship types are not very clear.(but not much better IRL) Like the DP20 Frigate that is actually a gunship, Gozanti class CRUISER(more llike a transport TBH), and the Consular class cruiser, etc

[@jayburn00]

@@mingon_852 you make a good point lol.

[@smaug9617]

I think it’s more like light/medium sized cruiser(it’s 25% percent of a Venator with good gun placement)

[@smaug9617]

@@mingon_852, in old manuals and additional information: they were giving classes based on their size, shield power and armament, but usually just size was what mattered(which is a little bit lazy in my opinion): According to this system, Capital ships were divided into seven main classifications.[1] Corvettes: Ships of roughly 100 - 200 meters length Example: CR90 corvette, Marauder-class corvette Frigates: Ships of roughly 200 - 400 meters length Example: Corona-class frigate, EF76 Nebulon-B escort frigate Cruisers: Ships of roughly 400 - 600 meters length Example: Belarus-class medium cruiser, Broadside-class cruiser kdb-1 Heavy Cruisers: Ships of roughly 600 - 1000 meters length Example: Acclamator-class assault ship, Dreadnaught-class heavy cruiser Star Destroyers: Ships of roughly 1000 - 2000 meters length Example: Imperial-class Star Destroyer, Nebula-class Star Destroyer Battlecruisers: Ships of roughly 2000 - 5000 meters length (small battlecruiser models were classed as "Star Cruisers," to separate them from larger ships of the type, but few recognized this classification as a formal part of the system.)[1] Example: Bulwark-class battle cruiser, Praetor Mark II-class battlecruiser Dreadnaughts: All ships over 5000 meters length Example: Executor-class Star Dreadnought, Kor Chokk grand cruiser and if I am correct it was called The Anaxes War College System.

[@spectrumstudios4848]

I still can’t believe you haven’t done the Venator breakdown yet. I love that you are still making videos. Looking forward to that breakdown.

[@CJ-BZ]

Thats actually shocking lol

[@spectrumstudios4848]

@@CJ-BZright?

[@SlytherinQueen199]

He's done a Venator breakdown, its one of his older videos thats for members only

[@naomy1701]

@@SlytherinQueen199 then he hasnt done one as far as most ppl are concerned... sorry to say but its impossible to become member in every channel that fas great content -.-

[@fakenuke7487]

Now this is a coverage I have been lookong forward, I really don't see much of the vigil which sucks since its tough little thing. Has insane "main character's ship" vibes. Great stuff and as always, great work

[@chrisheitstuman6360]

Correction, the "heavy turbolasers" are mediums, as listed in the discussion that you have referenced. Not trying to call you out, just noting the mistake. So many ships and weapons listings make mistakes inevitable over time. The big dish i believe is also listed as a sensor system, thus the "Vigil", or lookout.

[@macavitythemysterycat]

Also the ventral guns are the exact same as the smaller dorsal turrets. So they're both heavy laser cannons for point defense.

[@chrisheitstuman6360]

@@macavitythemysterycat those are light turbolasers. Same source.

[@greninjaguy5264]

wookiepedia says they're heavy turbolasers though.

[@chrisheitstuman6360]

@greninjaguy5264 Anyone can edit Wookiepedia or create anything they want. I remember when there was only an MC80, MC80a, and MC80b, and there were not 6 different versions running around with "battleship ion cannons" something that has been used exactly once in official material and that was on the Providence class, and the size makes literally no sense. What you had is people realizing that an ISD had more ion cannons and turbolasers on a flank than an entire Mon Cal had on the whole ship and literally fanficced heavier Mon Cals to even make sense that they could stand up to an ISD. So in conclusion...I will take the original source material and creator over any Wookiepedia entry.

[@greninjaguy5264]

@@chrisheitstuman6360 yeah of course, sherlock. There's people that are there to maintain the accuracy of the posts to make sure they're accurate. There might be discreptancies from time to time, but that's why you always check the sources provided.

[@jessewade1969]

Ive been playing thrawns revenge again and this is just what i needed, currently playing greater Maldrood and having fun

[@SnooZzzze_1]

Ever since I discovered the Vigil-class it have been one of if not my favorite ship in star wars a well rounded ship that can do a lot of different thing and put up a fight against most enemies. Had the Empire made a million or two of those the Rebels would have had a much harder time if they had a chance at all.

[@yahaaa1343]

Fractalsonge work is amazing. It also tend to be OP in the SW universe because he try to make ship that make sense and are designed with a current day approach/philosophy while the cinematic universe is goofy. It make no sense that that ship was not a or THE most common sigth of the Empire.

[@andrewchenault1366]

it's pretty widely established already that the A-wing crashing into the SSD bridge was the straw that broke the camel's back. It wasn't the sole reason for what destroyed the SSD. Right before the entire Rebel fleet focuses fire on the SSD and destroys it's engines when it's shields are destroyed, you can even see them on fire later, the bridge being destroyed caused the remaining engines to push the SSD into the DS1 due to a lack of control. Also Bridges we're constantly targeted but that's why shied bulbs tend to be located on the bridge, closer proximity to the primary shield emitter.

[@jamesd5842]

To build on that, didn’t the A-Wing pilot have some unique crystal array that made it able to pierce point defense shields better than would otherwise be the case? I also distinctly remember reading in perhaps the novelization that had the Executor not been so close to the Death Star at the moment the perfect storm of damage was inflicted (engines disabled/bridge destroyed/flight control inoperable) that the secondary bridge would have been able to take over in time to avert the collision; had it not been by the Death Star at all there wouldn’t even have been an issue

[@SephirothRyu]

DS2, not DS1, but yeah. It was a perfect storm of damage with the main bridge being knocked out at just the right time, while also being too close to the DS2 for them to get control online at one of the backup locations before it plowed into the oversized death ball.

[@IronWarhorsesFun]

Still no reason why you couldn't protect the command section better by tucking it into the superstructure.

[@GreenBlueWalkthrough]

@@IronWarhorsesFun You know they have a battle bridge that is deep inside the vessal right? While what was hit was the navigational bridge which needs to be able to see the envoment so they can maneuver the ship....

[@moffxanatos6376]

@@GreenBlueWalkthrough especially when under heavy jamming, the main bridge we see being the observational bridge is imperative as, in a cut line from ANH (that is present in the novelization) "They can jam any instrument on your ship except your eyes" I always pictured the battle bridge as a CIC type room similar to the design of the Briefing room in the imperial missions for Star Wars Squadrons. A cross between the Death Star's overbridge but with crew pits like the main bridge. I was happy to finally see a room like that in Squadrons, but the fact that they only seemed to ever use it as a Pilot briefing room was rather disappointing (that and placing it right by the hangar bay is a mistake imo. At least for a CIC, Star Destroyers are so massive you could probably get away with having the CIC in a different location on every ship.

[@merafirewing6591]

Would be cool if you give EC Henry's revamp of the original Cantwell star Destroyer design a look.

[@josewilliamruiz2880]

IVE BEEN WAITING FOR SOMEONE TO TALK ABOUT THIS

[@CATDRL2]

Isn't the Cantwell-class Arrestor Cruiser seen on Andor (and mentioned in your video) also from Kuat, and even smaller than this Vigil-class series? Thanks for the detailed research you do to make these videos.

[@SRXAltered]

Wookiepedia has the Arrestor at 1100ish meters. But tbh that seems oversized for what is essentially a cheaper interdictor

[@geophrie8272]

One this to also consider with these ships is that they don't orbit. They hover above planets and also land on planets. The Venator could still deploy its fighters near the ground, the vigil may have traded durability with this ability

[@Pastry656]

I’ve always loved that little ship~ c:

[@andrewstrongman305]

Paired with Lancer class-frigates, the Vigils could have defended the Empire against Rebel raids. Otherwise, the light turbo lasers and the ventral lasers could be swapped out for anti-fighter quad laser turrets. That could allow the primary gun turrets to either carry bigger guns, or fit quad mounts. Either way, the Vigil could have dominated smaller engagements, and acted as flanking cavalry in larger battles. It's pretty much a light destroyer as is, but scale the same design up a little, and you have a destroyer-class* ship. *Star Destroyers are neither star destroyers or destroyers, they are battleships (which happen to have the coolest name ever, even if it is dumb).

[@IronWarhorsesFun]

Honestly the vigil makes a lot more sense as a warship then the ISD. Nice compact and efficient. Imagine if the ISD was built with the same design mentality.

[@papapalps2415]

Stop.

[@simonhagstenn]

Hey man! I really miss the longer multipart videos about characters, it's been a while since you did one of my favourite characters. I'd love to see one about Revan, Tulak Horde, Darth Vader or Han Solo ❤

[@chipholman3860]

I really like this ship! A great Base for a group of enterprising folk to work from!

[@Shute47]

This with 1 or 2 gladiators would be insane for an outer rim patrol

[@vonneely1977]

I find it awfully plot convenient how Kuat never bothered to install an internal backup bridge in any of their designs, or even any zero escape pods (lifeboats). Y'know... common things all real world battleships have by default? Then again, that's probably just part of the plot conveniece rule about always deliberately installing a fatal, one-hit-dead flaw in everything the Empire builds.

[@Alexzander1989]

Actually they did, both in the original EU and in the Disney era. It’s just that with the Executor specifically… the ship was damaged, in the middle of a maneuver, and got pulled in by the Death Star II’s gravity well before the secondary bridge could take over control of the ship after the loss of the primary bridge. There’s also the little detail that the Imperial Fleet was thrown into disarray after the death of Papa Palpatine cuz he was using a form of battle dominance on the fleet while he was watching Vader and Luke go at each other So yes, KDY ships do have those, they just the Executor crashed and blew up before they could bring the secondary bridge fully online 😅

[@casbot71]

Slap a bit more point defence on it, and it would be a great ship for the Empire to mass produce as a patrol ship, to have in most smaller systems. It would be worth cutting the number of ISDs by 5-10% to make these ubiquitous.

[@papapalps2415]

And on this episode of 'Internet Randoms Have No Fucking Idea How Economy's Of Scale Function', our latest contestant!

[@moffxanatos6376]

@@papapalps2415 According to Fractal himself (who is working on a few adjustments to the ship design) the smaller antennae can be swapped out with point defenses if needed. Allowing for around 4 extra point defense guns.

[@Dare_To_Game]

It looks a lot like a Daedalus class battlecruiser from Stargate. I really like it.

[@captainseabass874]

It’s kind of puzzling that this ship didn’t directly replace the Arquitens-class cruiser, especially during the rise of the empire. Is there a logical reason why, or did Kuat execs just favor the Arquitens that much?

[@lukatomas9465]

Likely it was simply introduced too late to replace the Arquitens before the Empire fell. Also Kuat probably isn't the one making decisions on which ships get built. I assume that the Inperial Starfleet, with the consent of the Senate before it's dissolution, would be making the choice of which ship gets ordered.

[@captainseabass874]

@@lukatomas9465I found it was introduced during the end of the clone wars so I’m not sure why it didn’t. Perhaps I’m just biased after watching the Arquitens get used and abused throughout Rebels.

[@josesanchezrodriguez1783]

Maybe the Empire considered it was over-armed for it's role and too expensive to produce in the quantities the Arquitens was?

[@moffxanatos6376]

Because it's Legends only and started out as Fanon.

[@alexishayes9935]

The crew size comparison to the Venator doesn't really make sense. Despite official classification, the Venator was functionally a Carrier. So its crew is no doubt inflated by a large number of pilots and flight line maintainers, which the Vigil's tiny hanger (carrying significantly less complex fighters) wouldn't need or be able to support.

[@GreenBlueWalkthrough]

the vantor is really a battle carrier that doesn't have are Earth equivalen out side of Japanesse excuses that is... Pretty much it was an no expense speared design where they steraight up made it a full battleship and a full carrier something no one on Earth has done... Which I don't see how it isn't a Star destroyer because it fits the same role in the space navy as every other star destories does itt just has a huge hanger instead of a small one....

[@plewski952]

i loved teh breakdown of this ship i always wanted to know , more about ships that are in the mainstream Starwars. Keep up the awesome work.

[@RobinSwede]

Seems like a jack of all trades master of none type craft to me

[@thenatural1759]

Hands down my favorite KDY product. I was hoping one day you'd do a breakdown.

[@Imperialer.Imperator]

One of my favourite imperial units in the Empire at War Remake mod.👍🏻

[@moffxanatos6376]

Problem is the bridge can still be attacked from the top, it's no less exposed than on a star destroyer, if anything, it's more so. In the case of the vigil that's a matter of size, adding extra bulk to the top of the command module wouldn't work very well for this vessel. Venators, Acclamators, MC-85s and many other Mon Calamari vessels can have their bridges attacked from the sides and above. Perhaps most exposed of all, the Resurgent (which was supposedly designed to have it's bridge "less exposed" but can in fact be attacked from any direction except below it.) Also the Providence's rear spire isn't the bridge, it's an observation platform. The bridge is closer to the front of the ship. The Star Destroyer's bridge is in fact one of the most well protected of any capital ship, as the entire "head" of the vessel surrounds it, making the only viable attack vectors being ones that the bridge crew can see. You can only attack the Bridge on a Imperial class star destroyer style module from the front, which makes it easier to concentrate point defenses to protect. Far too many people think the "head" of a star destroyer is a weakness rather than a strength, Their proposed solutions generally being tantamount to claiming the human brain is too exposed in the skull, then saying that the entire head should be removed and the brain put on the shoulders with no skull to protect it.

[@feralprocessor9853]

Right off the bat, cool lego set.

[@luanalves8722]

This last farewell gets kinda emotional 🤧

[@haydenmorgan-dunn3027]

Will you do an ultimate military compilation for the empire?

[@georgesulea]

I think this is a fine ship for a small level command center

[@Ranyick]

It’s one of my favorite Imperial ships!

[@AdamTehranchiYT]

Perhaps some of the tractor emitters are on the turrets on the sides?

[@showxating9885]

I've always wondered why there wasn't at least a secondary control compartment such as in most large ships now, or even a "battle bridge" like the other big franchise has in some of their vessels.

[@moffxanatos6376]

there is, but it wasn't able to regain control in time on the Executor.

[@GX328382]

This is *NICE* , if they had a MILLION or so of these in some of their bittles it could of changed the war forever

[@lordwintertown8284]

Hmm a ventral hangar for fighters... Sooooo it's the space version of the St. Nazaire from Skyland.. As usual, a great breakdown on warships from SW's.

[@naomy1701]

Star Wars has soo many insanely awesome ship designs * *^^* *

[@Supercohboy]

So is this Legends or new/current/Disney SW lore? It feels surprisingly Legends-ey, but it looks like it comes from newer sources making it new lore right?

[@moffxanatos6376]

It's from the tail end of legends, right before it was axed, and was originally a fan design.

[@RedCascadian]

my internal rationale for the A-Wing taking out the Executor was the Executor had been getting hammered by enough debris and torpedoes during an intense battle the particle shields were either spotty, concentrated elsewhere, or down to relase more fighter wings. The real problem I have is Nu-Star Wars showing hyperspace ramming as a valid strategy. Anything escape pod with a small, backup hyperdrive should be a ship killer... and yet it isn't.

[@GiovanniCamacho121]

Please please do the VENATOR !!

[@triviszla1536]

Another niche ship added to my "Why do you know that?" brain folder

[@CCCCC40]

Great video. Way to short. Wanted more.

[@predator70nc46]

Literally days ago I was asking myself, : "I wonder if metanerdz will do a video about this ship someday" 😅🤣

[@trentsteel4421]

What a cool vessel. Just imagine what you could build for the cost of 1 ISD. and the number of crew required seem the ongoing cost in the equivalent number to 1 ISD would be considerably less. Shame about the class 2 Hyperdrive imagine if it was a class 1

[@eggos5074]

targeting the venerators command deck with turbolaser fire is kinda foolish since any twisting while flying would generate so many misses.

[@TheCoolNut]

very epic video

[@saschawagner5167]

The heavy Turbolasers look suspicious like german 10,5 cm or 8,8 cm mounts on german WW2 ships like Bismark and Hipper Class or Königsberg in case of the 8,8

[@LiliaArmoury]

i want these in empire at war

[@josesanchezrodriguez1783]

They are in Thrawn's Revenge, I think the Eriadu Authority has them.

[@LiliaArmoury]

@@josesanchezrodriguez1783 that makes sense

[@darkreflection9087]

Could you look at Fallout Securitron’s

[@akumaking1]

So early Disney didn’t ruin Star Wars.

[@robertmacey712]

Disney ruined all star wars

[@Kevin-qj7fp]

on the sides are there guns and turrents on the bottom like the top 4:06 what are the bottom turrents for ???????????????

[@Erikblktrn]

Probably, those are the tractor beam emitter.

[@moffxanatos6376]

@@Erikblktrn sensor antenna according to Fractalsponge (the artist and creator of the ship) they can be swapped out for extra point defenses if need be.

[@AramildAldari]

so cool :D

[@CATDRL2]

The entire last minute of your video (Otro) is audio only, no video.

[@satori3000]

Mon Calamari look like cephalopods, not fish.

[@zexhavok1027]

Didn't know that Kuat had conventions. Just surprising to me that people who build ships and other weapons for genocidal maniacs like the first order would limit themselves with conventions. I know of the Ruusan Reformation, but this is the first I heard of Kuat Conventions. Does anyone have a creditible source that layouts exactly what these Kuat Conventions are?

[@MetaNerdzLore]

Idk what you are referring to either lol so maybe misheard or CC transcript issue

[@casbot71]

A Commander could revolutionise space combat by simply spinning their ship 180° Or even.. _[*gasp]_ coming in at a different angle to the flat plain....

[@GreenBlueWalkthrough]

No because star wars capital ships are insanely heavy and under powere and people do do that but it's just not practical for capital ships because of how hyperlines work, the nature of space battles and again their capitals are big and slow so the enmy would just turn and shot you at your flanks as you tried to flank them....

[@moffxanatos6376]

There's a ship that does just that in Return of the Jedi, it's the origin of the Tector class.

[@feralprocessor9853]

SPACE!!!

[@feralprocessor9853]

SCIENCE!!!

[@pyeitme508]

Ayo

[@icharneco29]

My favorite imperial capital ship. Love that the command bridge isnt exposed like other designs.... the providence had a tower but the were no systems critical to operating the ship in the tower.

[@moffxanatos6376]

it's actually slightly more exposed than on the Star Destroyer, but due to it's size it's easily forgiven as it can't dedicate as much mass above the bridge, as it stands this bridge can be attacked from above, you cannot reliably do that on the standard ISD bridge module. Contrary to popular misconception, the ISD bridge is one of the LEAST exposed and attempts to remedy this with fan designs or even official disney designs (looking at you Resurgent) only make it more exposed.

[@simlucien]

KDS is SpaceRaytheon😂

[@jamesstaggs4160]

If you're to the point to where you have to use your eyes to guide the ship, assuming the power isn't out and you can steer it, seeing what's in front of the ship won't do you much good. All you can do is look out the window and say "There's some ships out there." You could only guess at their distance and how fast they were traveling. You'd also be totally blind to anything below the ship and probably what's to either side of it along with what's behind it. You couldn't see anything that's behind another ship like scanners can do.

[@moffxanatos6376]

still better than nothing at all.

[@andreasmuller4666]

All the issues with the designs can be marked up to inept writers. A true space warship would fight from such great distances that the Mk.1 eyeball would be utterly useless and this is why SW is space opera and otherwise bad writing.

[@GreenBlueWalkthrough]

I mean the tech in Star wars does not allow for long distance engaments so it is well written. And besides in the modern day we still uses windows despite engaging at those distances because sensors are extremely limited, hard to use at all much less well and can be easly damaged. So nothing has ever beaten getting eyes on something even today.

[@andreasmuller4666]

@@GreenBlueWalkthrough today yes, future tech, hell the F no. In other words, in science fiction, i couldn´t disagree more if I actually tried and I stand on SW being shitty written.

[@moffxanatos6376]

wrong, even as early as A new hope, sensor and target jamming has far outstripped most ship systems on craft of the same size, it's the same as Gundam. "my scope's negative I don't see anything" "pick up your visual scanning" The novelization (which is based on an earlier version of the ANH script that had more exposition and technobable, much of which was edited out for pacing) added "remember, they can jam every instrument on your ship except your eyes." Base One was able to pick up the TIES but the X-Wing sensors couldn't because they weren't powerful enough to get through the interference.

[@andreasmuller4666]

@@moffxanatos6376 retroactive inserted explanation for bad writing in the name of the rule of cool. Lukas is a WW2 fighter plain nerd and it shows in SW, it shows hard. He has next to no clue about military tech, tactics and so on and so forth. As for the argument, there is next to no way in which jamming would entirely outstrip sensors because in a well written world, it´s a cat and mouse game to see who is faster or better. One side of the tech might get ahead for a while but never to the spot where the other side becomes utterly useless except the total garbage of Mk1 eyeball. You may enjoy and like SW all you want and more joy to you but please don´t try to bring pseudo explanation to excuse uninformed, bad writing.

[@moffxanatos6376]

​@@andreasmuller4666 That's not retroactive, it's literally from an earlier version of the script, the novelization came out before the movie was released based on that script. Gundam also has jamming outstrip sensors, though it's more a byproduct of their reactors than a deliberate development. In the case of star wars it's a simple matter of being part of the arms race, much like how firepower can outstrip protection, in this case jamming outstrips sensors. In this case, the jamming IS ahead, and comfortably so on craft of similar size. Requiring them to get in close and even then it takes a while for their targeting systems to get through. Hence the fighter appearing to dance around the targeting computer despite barely moving relative to the pursuer. Your obsession with declaring things "bad writing" belies your own inability to understand how things could change drastically with technology developments in unexpected ways, a breakthrough technology that cannot be readily countered. Much like how body armour all but completely disappeared for centuries due to firepower outstripping protection in real life for so long. Especially in a galaxy far far away that doesn't need to have progressed the same way we did (and as Tales of the Jedi shows, very much did not.) Not to mention the fact that Star Wars, while it was harder sci-fi in the earlier drafts, has always been space opera which plays fast and loose with realism. The WW2 influence is because up until then exciting space combat didn't exist and the closest you could get was from WW2 dogfights, so he wanted to emulate that.

[@hisdivineshadow8263]

You look completely different than what I pictured. You aren't one of the guys that treated SWT so bad are you? Man I been watching your bids for 8 years now. Lovethem